CBN News interviewed me yesterday about my new article How U.S. Foreign Policy Made 2015 the “Worst Year in Modern History for Christian Persecution.”
CBN News interviewed me yesterday about my new article How U.S. Foreign Policy Made 2015 the “Worst Year in Modern History for Christian Persecution.”
mortimer says
Meanwhile, John Kerry after several months of dithering whether ISIS is committing genocide or not, today is the deadline given by Congress.
ISIS is clearly committing genocide against Christians, Yezidis and all other non-Muslim minorities in Iraq and Syria.
We should all tell Obama ‘NO MORE DITHERING…CALL IT GENOCIDE’.
Angemon says
Don’t you know it? It’s only genocide when white and/or Christian people do it. Case in point: the Armenian genocide. Obama promised to call it as genocide. Did he deliver? No, but he, on the top of his high horse, railed against the Crusades instead of denouncing ISIS.
Christianblood says
Angemon
I totally agree in what you said above and I really wish the U.S foreign policy makers realize and acknowledge the fact that the US foreign policy as well the policies of Western Europeans directly empower and encourage the global islamic jihadists to kill and persecute Christians and other minorities who live in the islamic world. That is just as important as acknowledging the genocidal persecution against Christians and other minorities in the M.E. and in the islamic world in general.
Angemon says
Don’t be so modest, CB – look at what Russia did to embolden islamic extremists, including anti-Semite, genocidal Iran. It’s all nice and dandy to blame the West for any and all wrongs (and ‘m sure you’d get along well with the mullahs in Tehran on that ground and history of anti-semitism alone), but it’s not an accurate depiction of reality.
Oh, silly me, trying to engage you in honest discourse when you’re just trying to fill your daily quote of anti-Western propaganda.
theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/07/putin-hacked-emails-russian-nashi
buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/documents-show-how-russias-troll-army-hit-america#.kwkZwdnAY
theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house
Christianblood says
Angemon
You seem to be really blinded by your russophobic attitudes and by your willful blindness and ignorance. Let me ask you a question: Raymond Ibrahim says (and many others, including Robert Spencer also belief) that “U.S foreign policy empowers jihadis and gets Christians killed”. Is Raymond Ibrahim and all the others who rightly believe this fact are also spreading pro Putin propaganda??? Besides, it has been clear to all that All the countries that America invaded and performed their destructive and STUPID “regime change” policies have ended up islamic terrorist hellholes where Christians and other minorities are massacred and enslaved. Do you deny this Angemon? Tell me, a country where Russia invaded by force, performed a regime change and as a result of it islamic terrorists replaced the legitimate government? Tell me?
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Angemon
You seem to be really blinded by your russophobic attitudes and by your willful blindness and ignorance.”
Let’s change just one word in that:
“Angemon
You seem to be really blinded by your islamophobic attitudes and by your willful blindness and ignorance.”
See the similarities? Randomly declaring someone to be “phobic”, or “blind”, or “ignorant” without offering any sort of substance to back it up is a telltale sign of intellectual and moral bankruptcy. You, like muslims engaging in dawah, are dishonest and a liar, trying to appeal to emotions since you can’t win with a logical driven, fact-based approach. Usually muslims leave it at that . You, on the other hand, kept going – maybe you’re simply that stupid, maybe you need to hit your daily quota of anti-Western propaganda to justify your paycheck.
Your reply is a reply I’ve gotten several times on several sites – and always coming from pro-Kremlin trolls. It’s your go-to reply when you’re cornered and out of ammo, much like muslims faced with criticism of islam resort to cries of “islamophobia”.
“ Let me ask you a question: Raymond Ibrahim says (and many others, including Robert Spencer also belief) that “U.S foreign policy empowers jihadis and gets Christians killed”. Is Raymond Ibrahim and all the others who rightly believe this fact are also spreading pro Putin propaganda???”
Said no one ever. Anyway, the answer to your strawman non-sequitur is no – Raymond Ibrahim never gratuitously attacked America, the EU or the West, or tried to present Russia as some sort of alternative. You have. That’s your gimmick: blame the West for everything bad that happens and try to make Russia look good by comparison. Mr. Ibrahim criticizes America and the EU for not living up to their core values of liberty and equality before the law. You, on the other hand, decry those values as being decadent. Do you deny that? Do you deny that you tried to conflate human rights and democracy with anti-Christianism and Western aggression against Russia?
“ Besides, it has been clear to all that All the countries that America invaded and performed their destructive and STUPID “regime change” policies have ended up islamic terrorist hellholes where Christians and other minorities are massacred and enslaved. Do you deny this Angemon?”
Yes, because it’s blatantly false, and only someone incredibly stupid and ignorant would make such a claim. Also, those “other minorities” whose dead bodies you’re standing on to smear America? They include other muslims. You’re actually railing against America (and the West by proxy) in behalf of muslims. But you act like an offended virgin if I point out, for example, that Russia, the birth place of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, is in bed with the Islamic Republic of Iran, a suicidal, rabidly anti-Semite, jihadi, genocidal state that has stated on many occasions its desire to wipe out Israel, which is not only a sliver of Western core values and democracy (which you hate) in the Middle East, it’s also the only safe place for non-muslims in the Middle East. You islamophile, you.
“Tell me, a country where Russia invaded by force, performed a regime change and as a result of it islamic terrorists replaced the legitimate government? Tell me?”
Tell me, a country where the US invaded by force, performed a regime change and as a result of it islamic terrorists replaced the legitimate government? I bet you can’t. I bet you can look even stupider and more ignorant than you’ve shown to be so far, though. As Einstein (allegedly) stated, human stupidity is infinite.
Christianblood says
Angemon
I was right when I said that you are blinded by your russophobic attitudes and by your wilful blindness and ignorance because your words can clearly prove that whenever I point out facts about US ‘regime-change’ policies, you are jumping to demonize Russia and their leaders. What does the crazed US regime-change interventionist policies have to do with have to do with Putin or Russia?
Angemon: (…Raymond Ibrahim never gratuitously attacked America, the EU or the West…) Are you kidding me??? Please watch the interview that Raymond Ibrahim gave to the CBN again. Raymond Ibrahim keeps pointing out again and again the same fact in that interview and that fact is the American ‘regime change’ interventionist wars in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Libya, in Syria and (I will add even in the Balkans) have empowered islamic jihadists in all those countries where Christians and other minorities are being severely persecuted today. Again, watch the interview and stop closing your eyes to truth of the matter. Actually, Raymond Ibrahim entitled his article (U.S foreign policy empowers jihadis and gets Christians killed) that title says it all now will you also call Raymond Ibrahim a Russian ‘troll’???
Angemon posted (…if I point out, for example, that Russia, the birth place of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”…)
Again, you are off the topic here, because the subject matter of our discussion was not about Russia or antisemtism but how, in the words of Raymond Ibrahim, (U.S foreign policy empowers jihadis and gets Christians killed), watch the interview again please. And by the way, it was not Russia who almost wiped out the Jews in Europe and murdered six million of them including hundreds of thousands of Russia Jews just a few decades ago.
Angemon posted:
(… ‘Russia’ is in bed with the Islamic Republic of Iran, a suicidal, rabidly anti-Semite, jihadi, genocidal state that has stated on many occasions its desire to wipe out Israel, which is not only a sliver of Western core values and democracy…)
Again this is off topic but to follow your narrow-minded argument Russia has good relations with Iran just as America and the West have good relations with the barbaric evil Saudis and with the genocidal Turks. And mind you, Iran has committed NO genocide against anybody so far but the genocidal Turks that the US and EU are allied with murdered over TWO MILLION ARMENIAN CHRISTIANS in (1917-18) and yet America and the West are today allied (in Nato) with these genocidal Turks and against Christian Russia. Shame on you Angemon because, in the words of Jesus (…You strain out the gnats but swallow the camel…) St. Mathews 23:24
Angemon posted:
(…Tell me, a country where the US invaded by force, performed a regime change…)
Just to mention a few of them, US very unnecessarily invaded Iraq caused the death of millions, totally destroyed that country and regime-changed the secular Arab dictator (Saddam) and today Iraq is a hotbed for various islamc jihadist groups such as alqaida and isis and many others and hundreds of thousands of Yazidis and Christians are being murdered and persecuted there. Also US and Nato, in support of islamic jihadists invaded Libya and regime-changed Qaddafi and murdered him and his sons and now Libya, which used to be the richest and most prosperous country in Africa is an islamic jihadist hellhole where even US diplomats and Christians and other minorities are murdered routinely.
In the same way, US started the same violent regime-change policies in Syria openly backing, funding, arming and training the same very, very barbaric islamic jihadists insisting (Assad Must GO) and if it were not Russia’s assistance, the US-backed islamic jihadists would have taken control in Syria and millions of Christians and other minorities there would have been slaughtered by the US/Saudi/Turkey allied barbaric islamic jihadists.
PS: Angemon, I would appreciate if you stay on topic of the subject matter next
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Angemon
I was right when I said that you are blinded by your russophobic attitudes and by your wilful blindness and ignorance”
No, you’re still wrong. That’s because repeating an unsubstantiated falsehood doesn’t make it true. What I said still stands:
“because your words can clearly prove that whenever I point out facts about US ‘regime-change’ policies, you are jumping to demonize Russia and their leaders.”
Is anything I wrote false? If not, how am I “demonizing” a regime that aligns itself with a suicidal, genocidal, rabidly anti-Semite regime and denies Hamas or Hezbollah are terrorist groups?
“Angemon: (…Raymond Ibrahim never gratuitously attacked America, the EU or the West…) Are you kidding me??? Please watch the interview that Raymond Ibrahim gave to the CBN again. Raymond Ibrahim keeps pointing out again and again the same fact in that interview and that fact is the American ‘regime change’ interventionist wars in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Libya, in Syria and (I will add even in the Balkans) have empowered islamic jihadists in all those countries where Christians and other minorities are being severely persecuted today. Again, watch the interview and stop closing your eyes to truth of the matter. Actually, Raymond Ibrahim entitled his article (U.S foreign policy empowers jihadis and gets Christians killed) that title says it all now will you also call Raymond Ibrahim a Russian ‘troll’???
”
That you need to cherry-pick bits of what I said to misrepresent my stance doesn0t help your case. Let’s see what I wrote:
My questions are still unanswered: do you deny that you tried to conflate human rights and democracy with anti-Christianism and Western aggression against Russia?
“Angemon posted (…if I point out, for example, that Russia, the birth place of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”…)
Again, you are off the topic here, because the subject matter of our discussion was not about Russia or antisemtism”
It only seems off-topic because you have to ignore the course of the discourse so far.
“And by the way, it was not Russia who almost wiped out the Jews in Europe and murdered six million of them including hundreds of thousands of Russia Jews just a few decades ago.”
Ah, your hypocrisy is flaring up again: you pretend I’m off-topic and then you go and actually go off topic. Anyway, and to answer your off-topic remark, would Hitler have done what he did if “The Protocols of The Elders of Zion” had not exist? Plus, the word “Pogrom” entered the English language to describe attacks on Jews in the Russian Empire.
“Again this is off topic”
Again, no – just follow the course of the discourse.
“but to follow your narrow-minded argument”
I bet you won’t deny what I said. I bet you’ll try to justify it with tu-quoquery.
“Russia has good relations with Iran just as America and the West have good relations with the barbaric evil Saudis and with the genocidal Turks.”
Called it.
“And mind you, Iran has committed NO genocide against anybody so far”
Tell that to the Zoroastrians, Christians, Jews and Bahai in Iran.
“but the genocidal Turks that the US and EU are allied with murdered over TWO MILLION ARMENIAN CHRISTIANS in (1917-18) and yet America and the West are today allied (in Nato) with these genocidal Turks and against Christian Russia.”
Were the US and EU allied with Turkey when that happened? Nope. Is Iran threatening to wipe Israel of the map? Yup. Is Russia aligning itself with Iran? Yup.
“Angemon posted:
(…Tell me, a country where the US invaded by force, performed a regime change…)”
More cherry picking and leaving out parts of what I wrote so you can move the goalposts and pretend you’re responding what I asked. What I posted was this:
Which was what you posted, only exchanging “Russia” with “the US”. Of course you had to leave out “ and as a result of it islamic terrorists replaced the legitimate government?” because you couldn’t give one single example. Because none exists. Because ISIS in Iraq and Syria is neither legitimate government nor the result of American invasion but of American withdrawal.
“Just to mention a few of them, US very unnecessarily invaded Iraq caused the death of millions, totally destroyed that country and regime-changed the secular Arab dictator (Saddam) and today Iraq is a hotbed for various islamc jihadist groups such as alqaida and isis and many others and hundreds of thousands of Yazidis and Christians are being murdered and persecuted there.”
See above – this is a textbook example of strawman. I asked him what he asked me with a twist. Where are terrorists the legitimate government? No matter how much he rants, the fact is that he is proving me right: it’s all nice and dandy to blame the West for any and all wrongs, but it’s not an accurate depiction of reality. Hence why he had to quote half of a sentence – because he knew that what he tried to pmly was absolutely false.
“Also US and Nato, in support of islamic jihadists invaded Libya and regime-changed Qaddafi and murdered him and his sons and now Libya, which used to be the richest and most prosperous country in Africa is an islamic jihadist hellhole where even US diplomats and Christians and other minorities are murdered routinely.”
Again, are terrorists the legitimate government in Libya? Because that’s what I asked – a country where a US backed regime change placed islamic terrorists in power.
“In the same way, US started the same violent regime-change policies in Syria”
Did the US invaded Syria? Nope, they didn’t.
“openly backing, funding, arming and training the same very, very barbaric islamic jihadists insisting (Assad Must GO)”
See above – not only the US did not invade Syria, the legitimate government is not composed of islamic terrorists.
“and if it were not Russia’s assistance, the US-backed islamic jihadists would have taken control in Syria and millions of Christians and other minorities there would have been slaughtered by the US/Saudi/Turkey allied barbaric islamic jihadists.”
Russia’s assistance. Right. You’re withdrawing now – did Putin had enough fun playing with his new toys or was is simply cowardly, abject dhimmitude after that muslims killed that child?
“PS: Angemon, I would appreciate if you stay on topic of the subject matter next”
Again, that you don’t like where your discussion takes you is not the same as me being off-topic. Of course, in a sheer display of unbridled hypocrisy, and as demonstrated above, you’re the one who went off-topic.
Angemon says
“US very unnecessarily invaded Iraq”
Nope. Saddam routinely violated the agreement that let him in power after the first Gulf War. For example, he fired upon US warplanes patrolling the southern and northern no-fly zones hundreds of times. Each and any of them were reason enough to take him out.
Ex-muslim says
Angemon:
Christianblood is absolutely right. America, West back islamo-fascists wholeheartedly and hate Christians.
Christianblood: Keep it up bro! Pull no punches!
Angemon says
Great, another pro-Kremlin troll.
Angemon says
““PS: Angemon, I would appreciate if you stay on topic of the subject matter next””
But before that:
“And by the way, it was not Russia who almost wiped out the Jews in Europe and murdered six million of them including hundreds of thousands of Russia Jews just a few decades ago”
What does that have to do with islam or jihad? Why, nothing, it’s absolutely of-topic. Apparently, going of-topic is bad when I allegedly do it, but OK when he does it. Sheer hypocrisy.
“What does the crazed US regime-change interventionist policies have to do with have to do with Putin or Russia?”
A few paragraphs later:
“US started the same violent regime-change policies in Syria openly backing, funding, arming and training the same very, very barbaric islamic jihadists insisting (Assad Must GO) and if it were not Russia’s assistance”
Apparently it’s wrong when I do it but A-OK when he does it. Again, sheer hypocrisy. But I guess anti-Western trolls also need to eat and drink, and CB has a daily quota of propaganda to do.
Angemon says
off-topic, not of-topic. Damn you, auto-corrector!!! 😀
Christianblood says
Ex-muslim posted:
(…Christianblood is absolutely right. America, West back islamo-fascists wholeheartedly and hate Christians…)
Thank so very much Ex-muslim, I can sense that you do understand what I am talking about but these people don’t as they are detached from reality and blinded by their MSM propaganda. They are suicidal, very stupid and ignorant. USA and its evil Nato allies, in support of their islamic jihadist allies bombed Christian Serbia and created two islamic states (Bosnia & Kosovo) in the heart of Europe and No one in the West even knows about these facts. They are pure evil as they are in bed with ISIS, Turkey and with barbaric Saudi Arabia. SHAME! SHAME!
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“they are detached from reality and blinded by their MSM propaganda. They are suicidal, very stupid and ignorant.”
Yeah, it’s not like anyone in the West ever criticized foreign policies and the states the US and EU supported… oh, wait, you’re judging everyone in the West by your standards in Russia, where the state-controlled media churn out anti-Western propaganda what would make Goebbels and Stalin look like flag-Wearing tea-partiers by comparison.
“USA and its evil Nato allies, in support of their islamic jihadist allies bombed Christian Serbia and created two islamic states (Bosnia & Kosovo) in the heart of Europe and No one in the West even knows about these facts.”
No one in the West knows about that? Citation needed. Plus, how is that on-topic? Oh, wait, it isn’t – you just happen to have two sets of standards. Tsk tsk…
“They are pure evil as they are in bed with ISIS, Turkey and with barbaric Saudi Arabia. SHAME! SHAME!”
Let’s see: ISIS is waging jihad against Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Turks and Saudis don’t really like one another. I bet if it were Russia you’d spin it as playing enemies to destroy one another. Or just ignore it, like you do with Russia’s cozing up to Iran, Hamas and Herzbolah, all barbaric, suicidal genocidal, jihadi regimes who want to wipe Israel, the only safe spot for Christians in the Middle East, off the map. You know, your counterpoint and alternative to the EU and US. Shame on the US and EU for allegedly supporting ISIS (even though they’re fighting against it), and Turkey (even though NATO said Turkey if they started a war with Russia they’d be on their own, and the EU isn’t at all inclined to let Turkey become a member), but not a peep on Iran (9th worst country in the world to be a Christian, anti-Semite holocaust denying, propaganda churning conspiracy theorists), Hamas (anti-semite baby-butchering terrorists) or Hezbollah (murderers, anti-Semite holocaust deniers and propaganda spewing conspiracy theorists). Tsk tsk…
Ex-muslim says
@ Angemon
Anyone who points the American, Western pro islamic agenda and ignorance is ‘another pro-Kremlin troll’ in your eyes?! Wow!
It is like a sick person who is denying and rejecting their medical diagnosis.The fact is US and Western political, religious, media and academic elites and most are really sick and pro islam as well as deeply anti-Christian and that is very clear and obvious to anyone who who have any kind of mental capacity.
Angemon says
Ex-muslim posted:
“@ Angemon
Anyone who points the American, Western pro islamic agenda and ignorance is ‘another pro-Kremlin troll’ in your eyes?! Wow!”
You were cheerleading for someone who, as I proved above, lied. And not even in a convincing fashion but in a ham-fisted, not-even-trying-to-disguise-it fashion. Either you’re completely stupid and missed it or you’re in cahoots. And since I’m a charitable person, I’m assuming you’re not completely stupid. Anyway, anyone acquainted with CB’s posting history should know very well his goal here is to spread anti-Western propaganda. Tell me who you hang out with and I’ll tell you who you are, etc. – that you need to whitewash his actions is more than enough to qualify you as a troll.
“It is like a sick person who is denying and rejecting their medical diagnosis.The fact is”
And, since whatever you’re saying next is allegedly a “fact”, you’ll provide some sort of evidence, right? RIGHT?!?!?! Citation needed, etc.
“US and Western political, religious, media and academic elites and most are really sick ”
Ah, I take it you’re a doctor qualified to make mass-diagnosis on people you don’t even know? If so, I’m certain you can provide some sort of credentials – in other words, CITATION NEEDED.
P.S.: Are Americans and Westerners (because, apparently, according to you, America is not the West) ignorant or do they have an pro-islamic agenda? You trolls might want to pick a story and stick with it rather than flap all around and make mutually exclusive claims…
Karl says
Kerry declares ISIS committing genocide against Christians, others…
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/17/kerry-determines-isis-committing-genocide-in-iraq-syria.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Christianblood says
Karl posted:
(…Kerry declares ISIS committing genocide against Christians, others…)
I just read that news at the BBC website a few minutes ago and it is truly the most encouraging and the most positive news that came out from the US and Western governments in the last number of years. May God bless John Kerry for having the courage to finally say this out! It is also very, very important that the U.S foreign policy makers realize and acknowledge the fact that the US foreign policy as well the policies of Western Europeans directly empower and encourage the global islamic jihadists to kill and persecute Christians and other minorities who live in the islamic world. That is even actually more important. Read the BBC piece below:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35831711
Kepha says
Christianblood:
I heard about Kerry’s admission that Da’esh is committing genocide against Christians, Yazidis, and Shi’ites while driving home from work. It’s about time. However, my big fear is that this [mal-]administration will use this opportunity to plead for more support and funding for the Free Syrian Army and other supposed “moderates” who are tactical, if not strategic, allies of Da’esh.
Richard Paulsen says
What are are arabstates members of the UN doing? Arabstates follow the Cairo Declaration based on sharia. Do not respect the UN charter.
The Cairodeclaration created in order to not follow the UN chareter regarded as a charter for infidels.
Scaring that many muslims flooding into Europe and U.S.A., Canada and all the not muslim world.
Must be new laws regulating who is allowed tioseek for asylum.
As now it seems as if Christians are stopped of escaping. Due to islamic states and muslims in the UN favouring muslim migration, building of mosques and spreading islam.
Jay Boo says
The rich Gulf Arab countries have taken in very few Syrian refugees.
The EU has taken in masses of illegal invading Muslims.
Yet, the BBC instead, criticizes the EU non-stop for “not doing enough”
The BBC slanders the EU for failing “humanitarian responsibilities”
Proving the old saying that “No good deed goes unpunished”
(Meanwhile the BBC virtually ignores the genocide of Christians.)
Richard Paulsen says
The more generous you are the more you are being blamed. That is bad, really bad. A shame as a matter of fact.
underbed cat says
Yes I understand your thoughts Spilman…but I guess the purpose of jihad is to weaken our faith and resolve..maybe it will have the opposite effect and bring a greater appreciation for faiths that abhor such doctrine that is being spread by jihad terror to create a caliphate.
Doug says
The game plan is to go slowly enough to allow the elimination of Christians in the Middle East.