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Robert Spencer, PJM: Does Any Candidate Understand the Freedom of Speech?

Mar 19, 2016 8:54 am By Robert Spencer

Over at PJ Media I discuss the prevailing Well, he had it coming surrender of the freedom of speech:

Trump Chicago Rally

The old axiom used to be taken as, well, axiomatic: “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Now that has been replaced by: “I disagree with what you say, and will accuse you of creating a climate that leads to violence and I approve of you being forcibly silenced.”

Nowhere was that transformation clearer than when the Brownshirts entered American presidential politics last week in Chicago, forcing the cancellation of a Donald Trump rally.

This is an ominous new development. In his seminal history The Coming of the Third Reich, Richard J. Evans explains how, in the early days of National Socialist Germany, Stormtroopers “organized campaigns against unwanted professors in the local newspapers [and] staged mass disruptions of their lectures.”

Ironically, Trump himself, never the most thoughtful or prudent of men, seems to have no awareness of just how ominous it was that Left-fascist thugs were able to shut down his rally. In the not-too-distant past, he has himself appeared sympathetic to this thugs’ veto, as readily as his opponents are now to opine “Well, they brought it upon themselves.”

About the free speech event I organized with Pamela Geller in Garland, Texas, last May, intended to be a stand for free speech against violent intimidation, Donald Trump said:

I watched Pam earlier, and it really looks like she’s just taunting everybody. What is she doing drawing Muhammad? I mean it’s disgusting. Isn’t there something else they could be doing? Drawing Muhammad? … They can’t do something else? They have to be in the middle of Texas doing something on Muhammad and insulting everybody? What is she doing? Why is she doing it? It’s probably very risky for her — I don’t know, maybe she likes risk? But what the hell is she doing?

And so after the fascists forcibly shut down his Chicago event, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and John Kasich sounded very much like … Donald Trump. They effectively said “Well, he had it coming, he brought it on himself.” Just as Trump did of Pamela Geller after Garland.

Is there no candidate who understands the importance of the freedom of speech? The now-departed Rubio came closest to articulating it, but then showed he didn’t understand it either. He said:

Whether you disagree with someone or what he’s about to say … you don’t have a right to take away the First Amendment right of people to speak freely.

But then he added:

I think he bears some responsibility for the general tone.

According to Rubio, the thugs shut down the Trump rally, and it was at least partially Trump’s fault, because he told people (obviously facetiously) to beat up people who were trying to disrupt his events. The idea that the Leftists shut down Trump’s rally because of Trump’s comment is ridiculous.

Do Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich really think the Leftists who shut down Trump’s rally didn’t think of them in much the same way they think of Trump? As “racists” and “bigots” who must be violently opposed?

Their rallies haven’t been shut down yet. But blaming Trump for the assault of his own rally is the exact mindset that allows the mob participants to justify their actions to themselves. Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich just gave the mob authority to decide what constitutes unacceptable “tone.” The mob that might target their own campaigns next.

They placed the onus upon Trump not to say anything that Leftist thugs might dislike, as he would then bear partial responsibility for what they do. So Cruz and Kasich, of course, will now also have to be careful not to “create an environment” that might force the Left-fascists to shut them down as well.

But unless they take on the Leftist policies of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, they are judged to be creating that “environment” anyway, despite their being more decorous and careful than Trump. And then they will be responsible for what they get, won’t they?

The simple principle has been utterly forgotten, but it is nonetheless still true: no one bears responsibility for anyone else’s actions, unless that person is being coerced.

No matter what he has said, Donald Trump didn’t force the Leftists to shut him down, and he bears no responsibility for doing so, or for “creating an environment” in which these kinds of things happen.

The only people responsible are the Leftist thugs themselves. They could have reacted in any number of other ways to what Donald Trump has said and advocated. Just as Muslims don’t need to riot and kill when they see cartoons of Muhammad, and if they choose to do so, they alone bear the responsibility for their actions….

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  1. Richard Paulsen says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 9:10 am

    Criticize islam and you are being attacked. If you do not you will not be if not uttering anything else not okay with some.
    Very puzzling. In a democrazy and being democrat you are supposed to be against any teaching that is totalitarian and brutal.

  2. mortimer says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 9:14 am

    No candidate is talking about freedom as Ronald Reagan did. Reagan understood the MAIN THING about the American philosophy: freedom of expression.

    The candidates do not ‘get it’. And that’s a BIG PROBLEM.

  3. sidney penny says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 9:27 am

    Really disappointed with Cruz and Rubio.
    Cruz at 2.00
    Rubio 2.23

    Worse than what Trump said about Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller

    Cruz talks about responsibility at the top, culture and creating an environment-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GepGO6HqL3o&feature=em-subs_digest
    The Truth About the Anti-Trump Chicago Riot

    Paul Joseph Watson
    Published on Mar 12, 2016

    Chicago proves we have a presidential candidate who is supported by violent, racist extremists….and it’s Bernie Sanders.

    • rubiconcrest says

      Mar 19, 2016 at 11:04 am

      So true and as readers of this blog know blaming the victim is one of the chief strategies of Islamic enabler’s. It is the West’s fault that Muslims engage in Jihad. If we were not (in the ME, supporting Israel, exposing of Islam etc…) there would be no Jihad.

  4. jewdog says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 9:28 am

    I don’t recall any disruptive protests against Louis Farakhan or Ahmedinejad when they have spoken.I guess some speakers have more freedom of speech than others.

    • RonaldB says

      Mar 19, 2016 at 12:43 pm

      Haha.

      You and I both know that it would be extremely risky to disrupt a Farakhan speech. The Black Muslims make no pretense of being non-violent, and would likely attack anyone, even police, who they saw as undesirable.

      This is the logical consequence of what Robert points out: the denial of full government protection for the freedom to speak and demonstrate leads to a situation where violence is what controls the political dialog. The Black Muslims are well-prepared for violence, and thus have no reason to fear political opposition.

      And why do I still support Trump? At least he’s opposed to further flooding the country with illegal immigrants who will be voting in a few years (in Spanish largely) and who are totally alien to the concept of liberty and responsible government.

  5. sidney penny says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 9:32 am

    “Their rallies haven’t been shut down yet. But blaming Trump for the assault of his own rally is the exact mindset that allows the mob participants to justify their actions to themselves. Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich just gave the mob authority to decide what constitutes unacceptable “tone.” The mob that might target their own campaigns next.”

    Who decides what constitutes unacceptable “tone.”

    The mob

    The same people who decide what “hate speech” is.

  6. mortimer says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 9:36 am

    FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS THE RIGHT TO OFFEND—TO BE CONTROVERSIAL

    -America’s greatest contribution to the world is its concept of democracy, its concept of freedom, freedom of action, freedom of speech, and freedom of thought. – Benazir Bhutto

    -“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” – George Washington

    – “Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.” – Harry S. Truman

    -“The principle of free thought is not free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought we hate.” -Oliver Wendell Holmes, US Supreme Court Justice, in United States v. Schwimmer (1929).

    -Freedom of speech is, to all Americans, as oxygen is to the human condition. It is a right that has been irreversibly programmed into our hard drive. We are free to speak our minds. An artist’s right to express him or herself as best suits their art, is the artist’s prerogative and it is guaranteed. – John C. McGinley

    -Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err.
    – Mohandas Gandhi

    -“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” – George Orwell

    -“The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish.” – Justice Robert H. Jackson, prosecutor at the Nuremburg Trials

    -Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties.” John Milton, 1606-1664

    -“Without free speech no search for truth is possible… no discovery of truth is useful.” Charles Bradlaugh, 1833-1891, social reformer

    -It seems that the right of freedom of speech that was enshrined in numerous constitutions is now under attack by religious institutions. – Salman Rushdie

    -Freedom of expression and freedom of speech aren’t really important unless they’re heard. The freedom of hearing is as important as the freedom of speaking.- Tom Smothers

    -Being offended by freedom of speech should never be regarded as a justification for violence. – Alan Dershowitz

    -I think that, as Americans, we should never forget that when we tamper with freedom of speech, it is a very sensitive issue that affects all of our constitutional rights and privileges. – Charles B. Rangel

    • bostongal912 says

      Mar 20, 2016 at 4:06 am

      Great post Mortimer!!!

  7. Jay Boo says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 10:15 am

    “Well, he had it coming ”

    That is the same excuse Muhammad used when he as a refugee when to Medina and turned against the Jews living there.to rape and murder and pillage. Muhammad claimed that he was sent by his god to do these things for his angry Allah, Satan.

    This disgraceful behavior of Muhammad is so great that even today, Muslims are still taught to hate Jews as if Jews were at fault for Muhammad’s disgrace.

  8. Atheist Kaffur says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 10:15 am

    Trump said he will never give up his 1st Amendment right. I think he understands very well.

  9. Don McKellar says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 10:18 am

    Trump just didn’t like what you were doing as an approach to the problem with Islam. And he was right, you were thumbing your noses at Islam — that’s what the even was all about. Never did he say you shouldn’t have the right to do it. He just didn’t like the approach. He’s got his own approach.

    • Adrian says

      Mar 19, 2016 at 10:29 am

      maybe Trump meant what is the net EFFECT of thumbing nose at Muhammed?

    • Mo says

      Mar 19, 2016 at 7:34 pm

      @ Don McKellar

      “Trump just didn’t like what you were doing as an approach to the problem with Islam.”

      It’s astounding how you Trump supporters spin yourselves into pretzels in an effort to make his words not say what the clearly do say!

      “And he was right, you were thumbing your noses at Islam — that’s what the even was all about.”

      First, provide the evidence. Second, even if that were so, so what? Who is he to say? Who are you?

      Unbelievable.

  10. Gerald Mucci says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 10:34 am

    Nothing would please me more than for Trump to initiate a conversation with Spencer and Geller to discuss this issue, and for all three to come out of that discussion in a unified alliance against the evils of Islam and for the good of free speech.

    • jewdog says

      Mar 19, 2016 at 11:08 am

      That’s a great suggestion, but you should address it directly to Trump, although I think that he’s too touchy to forgive Robert for having criticized him. In any case, the points made here about free speech are probably too subtle for the Donald.

      • RonaldB says

        Mar 19, 2016 at 12:57 pm

        “…the points made here about free speech are probably too subtle for the Donald.”

        Let’s look at it like this.

        Who were the terrorists in Garland? Religious (a religious Muslim is a radical Muslim) immigrant Muslims who were able to live semi-hidden within a supportive Muslim community, until they decided to commit jihad against the Garland exposition.

        Who does Trump want to exclude from immigration? All Muslims (at least until he ‘figures out what the heck is going on’).

        Would you rather have a candidate who supports freedom of speech on the basis of principle, or a candidate who talks about excluding any further Muslim immigration? Which is more likely to maintain the freedom of speech?

  11. Angemon says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 11:12 am

    The old axiom used to be taken as, well, axiomatic: “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Now that has been replaced by: “I disagree with what you say, and will accuse you of creating a climate that leads to violence and I approve of you being forcibly silenced.”

    I believe it would be more a bit more accurate to say:

    I disagree with what you say, and will accuse you of creating a climate that leads to violence and I approve of you being forcibly silenced, all in behalf of someone I think will be offended by it..

    It’s, IMO, what makes it so scary – most of those people seem to genuinely belief what they’re doing is for the greater good. And since they’re working for the greater good, anyone who disagrees with what they is is, by definition, willingly working against the greater good, and, as such, deserves to be treated as scum:

    • bostongal912 says

      Mar 20, 2016 at 4:15 am

      Notice how unattractive these women are! Good grief!!! Never mind their gutter mouths! Real nice way to get their point across!!!

  12. Papa Whiskey says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 11:15 am

    Question: Why is it so “obvious” that Little Donnie was speaking “facetiously” when he made his “punch him in the face” remarks?

  13. Brandon says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 11:26 am

    You are completely misrepresenting what Cruz had to say about the incident. He went on and on about how wrong the protesters were, but then called out trump for the VIOLENT rhetoric he has been spewing… Things like “oh I’d like to punch that guy in the face” and “if you rough him up I’ll take care of your legal bills.” Calling for mob violence against people goes beyond freedom of speech.

    It would be entirely different if Cruz criticized the POLICIES proposed by Trump as causing the protests… Saying something like, “well it’s trump’s fault because he wants to close the border and deport illegals” But that IS NOT what he did!

    • RonaldB says

      Mar 19, 2016 at 1:09 pm

      There’s something you may wish to consider. And keep in mind, the police in Chicago were expressly forbidden by their command to wear protective helmets, even though they were facing demonstrators with a strong inclination towards violence.

      The fact is, with the current tactics of the left to violence and intimidation of their opposition, it may very well be necessary to contemplate some degree of violence to protect your freedom of speech. Someone who gets up, shouts, and charges the stage during a political event is engaging in brinkmanship. He triggers all the responses necessary for an assassination attempt. This puts the candidate and the supporters at risk.

      So, is it not possible that a violent disruption of someone else’s event might have to be treated as an assault? It is designed to make non-leftist events as expensive and as dangerous as possible, while incurring only a fine of a few hundred dollars for the unarmed offender. And, the unarmed offender this time can be a cover for the armed assassin next time, once the tolerance for disruption has been established.

      • bostongal912 says

        Mar 20, 2016 at 4:21 am

        The police in Chicago were told to step down and not arrest anyone! That was from their leftist mayor!!!!

  14. linnte says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 1:18 pm

    What I’d like to know is why did Trump allow his rally to be shut down in the first place? He caved! Why!? Does anyone know the answer to this?

    • Mo says

      Mar 19, 2016 at 7:37 pm

      @ linnte

      “What I’d like to know is why did Trump allow his rally to be shut down in the first place? He caved! Why!? Does anyone know the answer to this?”

      I don’t have an answer, but that’s a good point. If he can’t stand up to these immature, college bullies, what gives anyone the idea he will be able to stand up to the REAL bullies, the jihadists?

      I had not thought of it from this angle until now. Thank you.

  15. livingengine says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/26/trump-pledges-curb-press-freedom-libel-laws-first-amendment

    Speaking at a rally in Fort Worth, Texas, on Friday, shortly after accepting an endorsement from New Jersey governor Chris Christie, Trump pledged if elected president to “open up our libel laws so when [newspapers] write purposely negative stories … we can sue them and make lots of money”.

    This move, he said, would mean that “when the New York Times or the Washington Post writes a hit piece, we can sue them”.

    Since the American revolution, freedom of the press has been a key principle in American public life, with truth long established as an absolute defense to any accusation of libel.

  16. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    Aren’t we forgetting something here? The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is one of America’s top civil rights organizations. Where do they stand on the actions of the “Muslims United Against Trump” who are shown in the photograph above? Will CAIR
    (1) disavow these Muslims for stifling free speech?
    (2) disavow these Muslims for flaunting garish orange underpants?
    (3) disavow these Muslims for their droopy-dungaree practice of isbaal?

    • linnte says

      Mar 19, 2016 at 5:36 pm

      CAIR is supported by the Muslim Brotherhood Mark. They totally approve of these actions and possibly encourage it. Research CAIR and Muslim Brotherhood. Don’t listen to me! Find out for yourself on the Net. If you think they are a Civil Rights organization, it is the Civil Rights for Muslims only and their goal is a country ruled by Shari’a Law. CAIR has links to Hamas, who now is linked with ISIS.

  17. Nelson Taylor Sol says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 3:43 pm

    Point taken. However, what makes you think that Trump’s remarks were “obviously facetious” when he invited his followers to “beat up people who were trying to disrupt his events”?
    Wasn’t he inducing violence when offering to pay the legal fees for anyone reacting violently against disrupters? What about his brash statement that “in the old times they were taken in stretchers”? So guess what happens next, a black guy gets suckerepunched out of the blue. Whatever happens with cause and effect?
    Just wondering, since I am not a lawyer, isn’t it incitement of violence typified as a crime?
    By the way, although probably professional agitators, not all anti Trump demonstrators were aggressive.

  18. somehistory says

    Mar 19, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    Group think takes many forms. If a person believes in freedom of speech, but hears from most of the politicians and reads in most media that it’s the *fault* of the one speaking when the speech *offends* a hearer and the hearer decides to become violent, that person can become wrong in their thinking and begin to put limits on the freedom in which they did formerly, and still claim to, believe.

    Brainwashing the public to begin to believe…without actually thinking about it…that speech is not allowed if a certain audience would label it offensive or hateful or hurtful has been happening now for some time.

    Remember hillary: ‘we will shame them into not speaking about islam’…back in 2011 when she was explaining to the moslims in the oic that the first amendment doesn’t allow the government to shut down speech that moslims don’t like. I think she said, “We can use old-fashioned shaming.”

    But it has advanced beyond shaming…it is violent from moslims and others who are intent on getting their way, all of the time, and in every setting and circumstance. And speech is being shut down unless it is what the moslims and those who are working along with them wish to be said in the public arena.

  19. Ren says

    Mar 20, 2016 at 4:14 am

    Robert Spencer : “No one bears responsibility for anyone else’s actions, unless that person is being coerced.”

    The leftist thugs must have thought they have been coerced by the speech that they don’t like to hear to perpetrate violence to stifle it. That is to show how twisted a leftist mind can be.

  20. scherado says

    Mar 20, 2016 at 4:26 am

    I am glad that this is being discussed. I have take one position and have not changed; the answer to the question is, probably, yes, there is one candidate.

    There are two phenomena: 1) protestor-agitators who attempt to and–in this case–succeed in ending free assembly; 2) creating a “climate of” intimidation, fear and confrontation with an insinuation of violence by the speaker of the assembled group.

    Are we not able to make this distinction and discuss appropriately?

    As my answer is Ted Cruz, then I will address only that candidate. Candidate Cruz has had rallies, yes? Yes, he has. We can’t control the size of those rallies. Nevertheless, we can judge how he handles hecklers, agitators, protestors and such. I have seen Ted Cruz invite protestors to engage in civil discourse, calmly and admirably.

    Do I have to continue? I have laundry to do.

    • duh_swami says

      Mar 20, 2016 at 8:00 am

      There is a difference between a ‘protester’ and a ‘mobster’…Mobsters never debate, they are there to disrupt, not discuss issues…

  21. sidney penny says

    Mar 20, 2016 at 8:41 am

    Time to listen again to what is free speech

    Listen to the last ten minutes

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/cal-poly-free-speech-under-attack-in-academia

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/video-robert-spencer-at-cal-poly-may-13-2014

    Robert is super in his answer , especially to the woman who tells him what is hate speech.

  22. duh_swami says

    Mar 20, 2016 at 8:50 am

    None of the candidates, except Carson will practice free speech when it comes to Islam and Mahoundians (Muslims)…They all self censor or spout PC taqiyya about it…
    Trump said he has Muslim friends and they are great people…Rubio says that American Muslims are patriotic and love America…He also said that ISIS is waiting for the appearance of Mahdi…Few. if any have bothered to read the literature,..Most of the posters here know Islam is an evil ideology…What candidate dares agree with that?

  23. Michael Eisbrener says

    Mar 20, 2016 at 10:52 am

    What Trump has revealed is the lie called ‘two party system’ in the US. It is one party of liberal elites who hold an ongoing magic act between the left hand and the right hand all the while their organized media supports the scam. VOTE TRUMP or lose it all soon.

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