Jesus is coming soon, but which Jesus?
(Continued from Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3)
The “End of Days,” or Eschatology, also referred to as the Apocalypse, reveals much about Islam and Christianity, and the Same God Question. If you want to understand any belief system, look at what it teaches about Origin and Fulfillment, Beginning and End, about Ultimate Things.
The Return of Jesus in Christianity and Islam
Traditional Christians believe that Jesus Christ was crucified, died, and was buried, to redeem us from our sins and restore us to the Father. This same Jesus rose from the dead and ascended in glory, and will return at the end of this age to usher in his kingdom, after which the destiny of mankind as children of God will be fully revealed.
This is set forth in a simple way in the Nicene Creed: “He shall come again in glory, to judge the living and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.” What will this kingdom be like? John relates the vision given him in Revelation 21,
And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God… Then He who sat on the throne said to me… “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son…”
Yet this is a great mystery, beyond our comprehension; we are reminded by the apostle Paul that “eye has not seen, nor ear heard…”
Jesus himself likened the rewards for the faithful to be like a ruler who gives his servants money to trade with while he is on a long journey. When he returns, one has increased the gift tenfold, another five, another was a coward and lazy, and hid the money in the ground until his master’s return. To the ones who increased their gift, their master puts them in charge of “many things” (in Matthew 25; in Luke 19 it reads “cities”). So there is a great reward but also further growth — and even responsibility — in store for the faithful in eternity.
In contrast, much could be said of the 72 virgins awaiting faithful Muslim men (guaranteed to those who die while waging jihad).[1] In comparison, Jesus says about the age to come, “In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven” (MT 22:30). Little more need be said of the Islamic belief, or I would be guilty of crass ridicule.
Regarding the Second Coming, Islam also teaches that Jesus (the Muslim Prophet Isa) is to return, but this Muslim Jesus has quite a different purpose from the Christian one.
In the Islamic teaching, Isa will come to condemn the Christians’ misunderstanding of him as divine and to literally destroy Christianity and judge all non-Muslims; the Koran universally brands all unbelievers as “the vilest of creatures” (Sura 98:6). The Prophet Isa will be a “good Muslim,” and will direct his followers to the Mahdi, the Muslim messiah, before taking a subservient position somewhat behind the Mahdi.
Isa will “fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill the swine and abolish jizya” and establish the rule of Allah throughout the world (Hadith from Sunan Abu Dawud, Book of Battles, 37:4310).
The Jews are likewise marked for destruction. Islam’s long history of anti-semitism finds full expression in the Koran itself, where Jews are described as being made into apes and swine (5:60, 2:65, 7:166), are eternally cursed (2:61, 3:112) and damned to hellfire (4:55, 5:29, 98:6, 58:14-19), unless they understand their faith and embrace Islam (3:113); the Islamic end times scenario is every bit as ruthless towards Jews as it is towards Christians, as this hadith demonstrates:
Mohammed said in his Hadith: “The Hour [Day of Resurrection] will not arrive until you fight the Jews, [until a Jew will hide behind a rock or tree] and the rock and the tree will say: Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!” (Sahih Muslim, 41:6985. This is a favorite among jihadists and zealous imams.)
This thread of Islamic invective against Christians and Jews is not some arcane theological reference shrouded in the mists of time and known only to Muslim jurists, imams and historians, but is rather active and woven into the daily prayers offered by pious Muslims all over the world. As we saw in Part 2 of this ‘Same God’ series, the first sura of the Koran, called al-Fatihah, ‘The Opening’, refers in its final two verses to the Christians and the Jews, condemning them for abandoning Islam and being “led astray.”
We might be inclined to simply ignore such koranic texts, were it not for the dozens of other koranic verses which command Muslims to openly fight against Christians and Jews. When these commands are joined with eschatological promises, the call to wage jihad becomes especially powerful.
An Islamic Utopia?
Islam’s end times goals are not limited to the hereafter, but have a decidedly this-worldly imperative as well. Coupled with Islam’s anti-semitic and anti-Christian spirit is a relentless chiliastic/utopian orientation, similarly a strong element behind the Marxist/ Communist movements of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. Just as communism promised an earthly paradise of universal peace and social justice which would arise after the dictatorship of the proletariat had defeated the old modes of thought, religion and government, so Islam envisions a utopian future when Isa (Jesus) and the Mahdi will spread the rule of Allah throughout the world and all will have submitted to Islam. Only then will the jihad be completed, when the dar al-Harb (House of War) will have been finally overcome by the dar al-Islam (House of Islam).
In a dark aftermath to this Islamic triumph, ultimately the jizya tax itself will be abolished; there will no longer be allowed any religion but Islam. Submission to Islam or death will be the only two options.[2]
The Islamic eschatological vision in ‘The Opening’ of the Koran is, thus, clearly an anti-Christian and anti-Jewish theological pogrom, coded into Islam’s theological DNA, and has implicitly justified the eruption of horrendous atrocities against Jews and Christians over the centuries, such as theTurkish Muslim genocide against Armenian, Assyrian and Greek Christians of a century ago, during which at least 3.6 million Christians were killed by their Muslim neighbors. [3]
Which brings us to the Islamic State and the new Muslim genocide against Christians in the early 21st century.
The Islamic State and Eschatology
Driven by a renewed eschatological vision, ISIS is drawing tens of thousands of faithful Muslims from all around the globe (including supposedly well integrated, modernized Muslim men and women from Western secular democracies) to join its jihad against the dar al-Harb. It has been about a year now since Graeme Wood’s landmark article in The Atlantic, What ISIS Really Wants, described Islam’s eschatological imperative to a wider audience, using the words of ISIS recruiters themselves:
…Much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse.
The most-articulate spokesmen for that position are the Islamic State’s officials and supporters themselves. They refer derisively to “moderns.” In conversation, they insist that they will not—cannot—waver from governing precepts that were embedded in Islam by the Prophet Muhammad and his earliest followers. They often speak in codes and allusions that sound odd or old-fashioned to non-Muslims, but refer to specific traditions and texts of early Islam…
The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic… The religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam…
Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail.
A recent Pew Survey indicates there are between 63 million and 287 million Muslim supporters of the Islamic State Caliphate worldwide. It is ISIS’ zealous adherence to Islamic eschatology which draws them and inspires their loyalty as they labor and fight to advance the apocalypse and Islam’s ultimate victory.
Back to the Same God Question
In Part 2 of this series, I emphasized that we must look at who (or Who) is behind the Koran:
Because it is Allah speaking in and through the Koran, therefore Christian apologists for the Same God position cannot hide behind the relativistic, academic “different conceptions of God” curtain. That is ducking the question. Who is the “man behind the curtain?” Who is the BEING behind the revelation which makes those pronouncements? This is the dilemma of the Same God position. If the Koran is a revealed text, who is the WHO behind the text?
When it comes to Islamic eschatology and the ultimate goal of jihad, we see again the primacy of this question. Who is the source of Islam’s end times doctrine? As we have noted, Muslims claim to worship the Same God as Christians, but insist that Christians have gone astray, corrupted our scriptures, committed blasphemy, shirk, etc. William Kilpatrick, in an important recent article, Was Muhammad a False Prophet?, sums it up as follows:
Muhammad’s purpose in introducing Jesus into the Koran is to discredit the Christian claim that he is divine in order to enhance Muhammad’s claim to prophethood… Whatever Muhammad’s motivation, the fact is that the Jesus of the gospels and the Jesus of the Koran are irreconcilable. How can both revelations possibly be from the same God? If Christ is God, then the Koranic account is a false account and Muhammad is a false prophet.
We reach the same conclusion from comparing the radically opposite end times teachings of Islam and Christianity, which rest on the radically opposite views of Jesus. Such radically opposed eschatological goals, such radically different views of Jesus, could not possibly issue forth from the same God.
An Arrow to its Target
Perhaps a metaphor might describe it best.
Christianity and Islam both claim to know the ultimate goal (God), and to instruct and guide the disciple in ordering their life so as to reach the goal, like an archer aiming at his target.
Yet everything Islam teaches about its target, its goal, is the complete opposite, radically opposed to, what the Christian faith teaches about its target.
Does it really make sense to say that the targets are really one and the same, it’s just that the two faiths have different views of the target?
Yet this cannot be. If a Christian followed the teachings of Islam, he would completely miss his target and ultimately could no longer be called a Christian. Indeed, he would ultimately find himself committing jihad against his former fellow Christians.
Likewise, if a Muslim aimed at the Christian target, he would be seen a blasphemer in the eyes of Islam, and would be subject to Islam’s death penalty for apostasy.
Interestingly, the Greek word for “sin” most often used in the New Testament, hamartia, means “to miss the mark,” and describes well the phenomenon of sin: falling short, not being aimed properly at the target, failing to attain the goal.
There is a certain sense of hamartia — of “missing the mark” — in the word apostasy, which means a falling away, though apostasy indicates primarily a failure to stand within the truth, a failure to remain upright. Both these words can help us in warning Christians against well intentioned but misguided efforts to be too inclusive, too tolerant and politically correct when speaking of Islam and relating to Muslims.
When a Christian affirms the Same God position, he implicitly allies himself with Islam, even though the latter has a polar opposite target and goal. To return to the quote from Mark Durie which I cited at the beginning of Part 1 of this series:
[This ‘Same God’ message] provides the lynchpin of Muslims’ efforts to convert the ‘People of the Book’ to the faith of Muhammad. In addition, this belief, once accepted, can lead Christians to support Islamic perspectives in ways other than conversion. For example, embracing this Islamic doctrine wins a measure of respect and even support for Islam from Christians.
The Same God claim is an Islamic doctrine, not a Christian belief. Christians who affirm it are advancing the Islamic narrative, aiding Islamic dawah, and aligning with Islam’s eschatological goals. By affirming the Same God claim, they are tacitly affirming the Islamic view of Jesus, and are essentially saying they would rather side with Muslims than with Jesus at his return. Through a supposedly generous and inclusive affirmation, they are tacitly admitting they are ashamed of Jesus.
Returning to the Epistemological Malady we identified in Part 1, most Christians have likely (1) not given the issue this much thought, and (2) don’t know what they think anyway. Many Christians who adopt the Same God position feel that to do otherwise is hateful, and they wish to stand in solidarity with and be nice to their Muslim neighbors, whom they see as spiritual siblings. Such is the case with former Wheaton College Professor Larycia Hawkins, whose wearing a hijab and teaching the Same God heresy did us the service of bringing this issue to the fore.
But as I shall try to show in my concluding article, disavowing the Same God position not only does not mean adopting a hateful position vis a vis Muslims, but when approached in the light of the Christian Gospel proclaims the ultimate solidarity with them (and all mankind), and expresses the most profound and self-sacrificial love, exactly the kind of love which can save people from a false god and false prophet.
Next up: Part 5: A Christian Alternative to the ‘Same God’ Position
NOTES:
[1] Those Muslim men who perish killing the infidels for Allah are guaranteed paradise, where they will enjoy an eternity of conjugal bliss with seventy-two dark-eyed houris with breasts that never sag but are “swelling and firm,” (Koran 25:15-16) and where the men have the sexual power of a hundred men, even having “eternal erections.” (c.f. Srdja Trifkovic, The Sword of the Prophet, pp 63- 64.) For further background on this bizarre Islamic belief, see this article by Raymond Ibrahim, http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2010/03/01/how-the-islamist-mindset-rationalizes-and-promotes-sex-sins/, and this by Ibn Warraq, http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5
[2] c.f., Islamic jurist Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri (d. 1368), The Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, Nuh Ha Keller, translater, Amana Pub., 1997, p 603.
[3] This wider holocaust committed by the Muslim Turks against Armenian, Assyrian, Pontian, Anatolian and Greek Christians, spanned from 1894 to 1923, with an estimated 3.6 million killed, and countless more displaced.
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Ralph Sidway is an Orthodox Christian researcher and writer, and author of Facing Islam: What the Ancient Church has to say about the Religion of Muhammad. He operates the Facing Islam blog.
Champ says
“Proving Islam Wrong: God of the Bible is Not Allah of the Quran”
https://youtu.be/NurtekUK6Fo
kay says
God Almighty, Yahweh, said to Moses.” Tell them I AM That I AM sent you. In other words God declares Himself to be self-existent.
a fool says
There is only One God, He said to Moses that His name is: “I Am Who Am.” Nothing else.
Jesus said: “Thou shall not serve two masters, for they shall love one and hate the other.” From this statment we know that that One Master is The Lord Our God Who is The I AM! The other one would not be Him. Who and what Allah is, is, but not God the I Am! There is only ONE GOD, WHO IS I AM WHO AM!
Carolyne says
“I am who am?” Maybe it lost something in translation.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Nope!
Kepha says
Check Exodus 3.
ekbano says
That is the translation. I AM.In continuing past, present, and future tense. Or the equivalent thereof in the ancient grammar.
H says
The reason Christians are confused on the same God issue is that’s what they teach in schools and have taught since sometime before I was in school (90s) and churches don’t touch on islam.
Although the end has polar opposite goals, the common theme is there is an end, and Jesus comes back. It seems clear from my Christian perspective that allah is satan and mohammed is a false prophet/antichrist. Al mahdi could well be The antichrist in which case there’s another similarity there. We know that the antichrist will park in God’s temple and proclaim himself god; is there any equivalent for al mahdi/ false jesus? I haven’t read the hadiths.
Lee says
Schools might teach the one God hypothesis, but it is also taught in many denominations, in one form or another. A common thing is to have an ecumenical prayer & worship service, inclusive of Muslims and Jews. The sad thing is, such services are generally called by nominally Chrisitian pastors and priests. It’s good to reach out to our neighbors, but not in the context of Christians bowing the knee to Islam. Such is idolatry. The temporal and spiritual body of the Christian church is poorly educated in doctrine, and most don’t care because to learn takes time away from more basal pursuits. On the other side, many Christians are today caught up in heretical teachings which they know very well, such as prosperity gospel.
boakai ngombu says
such as prosperity gospel…
good to bring this in, Lee. so many seek to save … rather than be found by YAWEH and be saved by faith in the knowledge that such a blessing as salvation is given by Him for the sake of the Christ, the Son, Savior and LORD..
boakai ngombu says
prosperity gospel
otherwise known as “name it and claim it.” …trusting in self rather than YAWEH to save for the sake of the Son.
not too far removed from the demands the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) requires its slaves to fulfill. (slaves = muslims … those totally subjugated to the allah god of islam) if they do as the greatest deceiver requires, they shall have their reward
Sandra Lee Smith says
Sadly true!
dajjal says
Sam,e deity? Allah says no in Surah Al-Kaffiroon 109. Moe implicitly says it in Sahih Bukhari 4.52.164.
Moe did not worship what we worship and we do not worship what he worshipped. If Allah had let Moe be defeated at Badr, he’d never again be worshipped. If Chistians worshipped Allah, that warning would be void.
worldcitizen1919 says
The Baha’i Faith says Christ has already come. His New Name is Baha’u’llah.
Verily I say, this is the Day in which mankind can behold the Face, and hear the Voice, of the Promised One. The Call of God hath been raised, and the light of His countenance hath been lifted up upon men.
Great indeed is this Day! The allusions made to it in all the sacred Scriptures as the Day of God attest its greatness. The soul of every Prophet of God, of every Divine Messenger, hath thirsted for this wondrous Day.
The time foreordained unto the peoples and kindreds of the earth is now come. The promises of God, as recorded in the holy Scriptures, have all been fulfilled. Out of Zion hath gone forth the Law of God, and Jerusalem, and the hills and land thereof, are filled with the glory of His Revelation. Happy is the man that pondereth in his heart that which hath been revealed in the Books of God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting.
O kings of Christendom! Heard ye not the saying of Jesus, the Spirit of God, “I go away, and come again unto you”? Wherefore, then, did ye fail, when He did come again unto you in the clouds of heaven, to draw nigh unto Him, that ye might behold His face, and be of them that attained His Presence? In another passage He saith: “When He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth.” And yet, behold how, when He did bring the truth, ye refused to turn your faces towards Him, and persisted in disporting yourselves with your pastimes and fancies. Ye welcomed Him not, neither did ye seek His Presence, that ye might hear the verses of God from His own mouth, and partake of the manifold wisdom of the Almighty, the All-Glorious, the All-Wise. (Baha’u’llah)
mortimer says
WC…you are off topic, as usual. Kindly, PUT THOSE PAMPHLETS DOWN. They are only speculations about the speculations of Islam, rather than referring to the FOUNDATIONAL TEXTS of Islam themselves.
A ‘fact’ is something like the boiling point of water at sea level. Your pamphlets are not ‘facts’, but opinions and have no relevance to the discussion of Islamic teachings. ISLAM NEVER MENTIONS BAHAI’I, but the Koran is loaded with absurdities and false statements about Christianity…speculations based on dreams. So are your pamphlets mere speculations. The subject before us is how Islamic Christology is used to justify persecuting Christians. Islamic Christology is not just factually wrong, but evil and genocidal in its intention.
You are not teaching bringing anything of value about JIHAD against CHRISTIANITY which is what we are discussing here.
You are a long way off topic. Please do not do that. It is tedious.
Kindly join a forum that discusses Bahai’i and Islam, and leave this one, since JW is a forum on the matter of Islamic persecution…JIHAD. We are not here to discuss ‘your’ topic. It is an imposition for you to insist on ‘changing the topic’ all the time. It’s a matter of manners, isn’t it?
Mo says
@ mortimer
“Kindly join a forum that discusses Bahai’i and Islam, and leave this one, since JW is a forum on the matter of Islamic persecution…JIHAD. We are not here to discuss ‘your’ topic. It is an imposition for you to insist on ‘changing the topic’ all the time. It’s a matter of manners, isn’t it?”
This WC person is insufferable!
worldcitizen1919 says
Mo,
I sincerely apologise as I never intended to offend.
Champ says
“I sincerely apologise as I never intended to offend.”
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“worldcitizen” continues to apologize for the *same* Baha’i nonsense that he’s told countless other times before on JW. Sorry, but your apology rings rather hollow.
Why not be more honest by stating ..”I make no apology for the Bahai’ beliefs that I know will offend you, since they’ve offended you in the past.” Instead of constantly apologizing for things you KNOW are offensive.
Talk about being disengenuous.
Champ says
“worldcitizen” wrote:
“The Baha’i Faith says Christ has already come. His New Name is Baha’u’llah”
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This comment from “worldcitizen” is a great example of Jesus’ warning that “false Chirsts and false prophets” would come after Him …
Question: “How can I recognize a false teacher / false prophet?”
Answer: Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 24:23-27; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18). The best way to guard yourself against falsehood and false teachers is to know the truth. To spot a counterfeit, study the real thing. Any believer who “correctly handles the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15) and who makes a careful study of the Bible can identify false doctrine. For example, a believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity. Therefore, step one is to study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the Scripture says.
Jesus said “a tree is recognized by its fruit” (Matthew 12:33). When looking for “fruit,” here are three specific tests to apply to any teacher to determine the accuracy of his or her teaching:
1) What does this teacher say about Jesus? In Matthew 16:15-16, Jesus asks, “Who do you say I am?” Peter answers, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,” and for this answer Peter is called “blessed.” In 2 John 9, we read, “Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.” In other words, Jesus Christ and His work of redemption is of utmost importance; beware of anyone who denies that Jesus is equal with God, who downplays Jesus’ sacrificial death, or who rejects Jesus’ humanity. First John 2:22 says, “Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.”
2) Does this teacher preach the gospel? The gospel is defined as the good news concerning Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). As nice as they sound, the statements “God loves you,” “God wants us to feed the hungry,” and “God wants you to be wealthy” are not the complete message of the gospel. As Paul warns in Galatians 1:7, “Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.” No one, not even a great preacher, has the right to change the message that God gave us. “If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Galatians 1:9).
3) Does this teacher exhibit character qualities that glorify the Lord? Speaking of false teachers, Jude 11 says, “They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.” In other words, a false teacher can be known by his pride (Cain’s rejection of God’s plan), greed (Balaam’s prophesying for money), and rebellion (Korah’s promotion of himself over Moses). Jesus said to beware of such people and that we would know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20).
For further study, review those books of the Bible that were written specifically to combat false teaching within the church: Galatians, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, and Jude. It is often difficult to spot a false teacher/false prophet. Satan masquerades as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), and his ministers masquerade as servants of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:15). Only by being thoroughly familiar with the truth will we be able to recognize a counterfeit.
Here:
http://www.gotquestions.org/false-teachers.html
worldcitizen1919 says
People have a right to hear the truth.
Champ says
Indeed!
worldcitizen1919 says
Glad you finally agree because that’s all I’m doing!
Champ says
“worldcitizen” offers lies, not the truth …
“Baha’i is straight from the pits of hell. They are a dangerous false religion because they claim to be “Christian,” but they certainly are not. Baha’is claim to believe that Jesus is the Saviour They acknowledge Christ’s virgin birth. They believe in the resurrection of Christ. They believe in the second coming and the rapture. So what is wrong about this increasingly popular religion?”
Excerpt here:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Bahai/lies_of_bahai.htm
GET. LOST. LIAR.
worldcitizen1919 says
Champ are you Christian? Because Jesus says to love. Why always condemn others for their beliefs?
It’s unfortunate Christians have forgotten Christ’s teaching to love one another and replaced it with condemn others of different faiths. To what end? We already have enough hate in the world.
Is that the whole purpose of Christianity these days to hate on other religions?
So sad.
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Champ says
“Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.” — Romans 12:9
Sometimes love must be tough. And I make no apology for hating evil, and that includes false teachers and liars–and that’s all that you and the Baha’i are offering here.
Take your false Baha’i teachings and ramblings and GET LOST.
Champ says
“worldcitizen” doesn’t realize that Jesus was NOT polite to false teachers …
In fact Jesus **relentlessly condemned** the false spiritual leaders of Israel, in particular the scribes and Pharisees: Matthew 23:13–33. Jesus warned about them in His first sermon, the Sermon on the Mount, and in His last sermon: Matt. 23.
In this final public message the Lord wanted to draw the people away from those false leaders and turn them to the true teaching of Jesus Christ and the gospel message that would soon be delivered through His apostles. And by doing this, Jesus also gave the apostles a final *example* of the confrontational stance they would find necessary to take in proclaiming the gospel.
worldcitizen1919 says
Champ. I always believe in Jesus. For 40″years I believed in Him and accept Him as Son of God and the Bible as the Word of of God. I read the Bible a lot and love it.
If people speak against Jesus I will stand up and defend Him. Because He is truth.
I am a sincere believer just I understand His second coming differently but I will always believe in Him forever. Don’t be offended with me please. I like to post and share and sometimes we disagree but we all have different understanding but on Jesus I am one with you. Sorry if I offend you sometimes.
Champ says
“worldcitizen” believes in a different Jesus, not the Jesus of the Bible …
https://youtu.be/trwOqDnITvc
worldcitizen1919 says
Why does this Christian speaker say Baha’is believe in Christ as a Messenger??????????????? ????????? Islam say Jesus is a Messenger but not Baha’is . Please tell the truth.
Either he doesn’t want to tell the truth, is trying to cover it up that we believe exactly in the same Jeus in the Bible or plain doesn’t know.
This is the official belief of the Baha’is in Jesus Christ………
As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended. The Founder of the Christian Faith is designated by Bahá’u’lláh as the ‘Spirit of God,’ is proclaimed as the One Who ‘appeared out of the breath of the Holy Ghost,’ and is even extolled as the ‘Essence of the Spirit’. His mother is described as ‘that veiled and immortal, that most beauteous countenance,’ and the station of her Son eulogized as a ‘station which hath been exalted above the imaginings of all that dwell on earth’, whilst Peter is recognized as one whom God has caused ‘the mysteries of wisdom and of utterance to flow out of his mouth’.…”
(Shoghi Effendi: The Promised Day is Come, pp. 109-110)
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Champ says
worldcitizen1919 wrote:
“Champ. I always believe in Jesus. For 40″years I believed in Him and accept Him as Son of God and the Bible as the Word of of God.”
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So! …even demons “believe” these things about Jesus.
Question: “What is easy believism?”
Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/easy-believism.html
Kepha says
WC–what you write is a pack of lies. You do not believe in the Jesus who will return is “This Jesus, who was received up form you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye beheld him going into heaven” (Acts 1:11). So Christ also, having been once offered to bear the sins of many, shall a ppear a second time, apart from sin, to them that wait for him, unto salvation (Heb. 9:27). It’s the same Jesus who died and rose again who comes again, not some dreamy 19th century Persian student.
And, again, you say Jesus prophesied the coming of Muhammad, and that to reject the claims of Muhammad is to reject Christ. But several of us have observed that the supposed promise of Muhammad is actually the promise of the descent of the Holy Spirit, which is the only reading the Johannine texts to which the Da’wa boys appeal allows.
Further, if you accept the Qur’an as the word of God along with the Bible, you fall under the curses found at the end of the Bible, that if any man add to the words of the prophecy of this book, God shall add to him the plagues written therein (Rev. 22:18).
worldcitizen1919 says
Where is your authority to make that call?? Are you a Prophet ??
It is said in 2 Peter 1:20
No prophecy is of any private interpretation
Only the lion of tribe of Judah was found worthy to unseal the meanings of the Books not you or I or any priests or even the church.
Next who was this Lion of Judah of the Root of David. If you know Him you know the CORRECT meanings of all the prophecies in the Bible as He is the ONLY ONE found worthy to unseal the meanings.
Christ found He existence thought the Holy Ghost so it doesn’t apply to Him.
Baha’u’llah, however was descended from the father of David, Jesse as well as from Abraham and HE was the one Who unsealed the Books.
Any interpretation by anyone other than Him is false and carries no authority whatsoever.
The Book which broke the seals of Danel and Revelation was the Bok of Certutude written by Baha’u’llah.
ONLY in the Book of Certitude will you get the correct reforestation from the Lion of Judah, the root of David.
Genealogy of Baha’u’llah
http://bahai-library.com/zinky_genealogy_prophets
You should read it one day.
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KI/ki-1.html
Champ says
“worldcitizen” does NOT believe in the Jesus of the Bible …
Baha’is Deny the Sin Nature of Man
The Baha’i religion denies the sin nature of man…
“In the Bahá’í view, the purpose of this life on earth is for each individual to develop the spiritual and moral qualities that lie at the core of his or her nature. Bahá’u’lláh referred to the human being as a “mine rich in gems of inestimable value.” These “gems” or qualities can be “mined” or developed only when a person turns to God.” -SOURCE
“Develop the spiritual and moral qualities?” You’ve got to be kidding me? The Word of God teaches that we are ALL sinners, dirty-rotten hell-deserving sinners!!! Romans 3:10-12 declares, “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.” Also, Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” You and I are wicked sinners. Don’t compare yourself to the criminals you hear about on the news, or perhaps you might become self-righteous. Compare yourself to the Word of God, and you’ll come up looking like a sinner. We have ALL broken God’s commands at times. We are ALL sinners by nature. Romans 5:12 teaches that we are ALL born with a sin-nature, not with “spiritual and moral qualities.” “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” -Romans 5:12.
More about the Lies of Baha’i here:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Bahai/lies_of_bahai.htm
Champ says
“worldcitizen”,
Additionally, Jesus said, “you must be born again”:
“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’” — John 3:6-7
Also, in order to be born-again, you must acknowledge that you are a sinner and in need of a savior; and Baha’i does not believe that we are *sinners*. This is where Baha’i is profoundly misleading and a false religion …
https://youtu.be/OxXtZvG2N-c
Mo says
@ worldcitizen1919
You’ve never read the Bible. You’ve never read the Quran. You know ZERO about either religion.
Stop your incessant spamming already! Learn to discuss the topic at hand!
worldcitizen1919 says
I’m really sorry you see it that way. I might know more than you think.
Mo says
@ worldcitizen1919
“I’m really sorry you see it that way. ”
No, you are not. Otherwise, you would stop with your threadjacking, your relentless promoting of this other religion, and your lies.
“I might know more than you think.”
You know nothing about Islam. You know nothing about Christianity. You know you’ve never read either the Bible nor the Quran.
Champ says
I believe in the Bible and read it regularly. I believe in Jesus too as messiah.
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“worldcitizen” believes that Jesus has already come back, so obviously he believes in a FALSE messiah and a FALSE religion–something Jesus warned His followers about!
At present “worldcitizen” is a lost cause serving an evil cause: baha’i.
Sandra Lee Smith says
There you go again, calling Jesus Himself a liar! He said how He’d return; and THAT has NOT yet happened; which either makes Jesus a liar, or your Baha’u’llah a liar; I’m with Jesus as the Truth teller! You can’t have it both ways; no one can!
Kepha says
Re your comments on the Conquering Lion of Judah from Revelation 5, this, again, cannot be Baha’ullah
“Weep not; behold, the Lion that is of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath overcome to open the book and the seven seals thereof. And I saw in the midst of the throne and the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb standing as though it had been slain having…the seven spirits of God.” (Rev. 5:5-6). Later, of this Lamb, it is said “Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain , and didst purchase unto God with they blood men of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation, and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests, and they reign upon the earth.” (Rev. 5:9-10).
This can be no other than Jesus Christ–who is definitely of the tribe of Judah (Mt. 1, Heb.7:14). He is both the conquering lion of Judah and the sacrificial Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (cf. John 1:29, 36). This has nothing to do with Jesus being cute and fuzzy, but harkens back to the Passover of Exodus and the sacrificial system described in Leviticus.
As for the opening of the book, this tells us that Jesus Christ is the key to the Scriptures. In Luke, he opens his public ministry reading the Prophet Isaiah to the synagogue in Nazareth. He quotes the Old Testament in numerous places. And it is explaining the work of Jesus by Philip that makes a believer out of the pilgrim Ethiopian eunuch who is encountered trying to make sense of Isaiah 53,
Since you quote the Petrine epistles against me and others, I urge you to study Peter’s First Epistle. It has its references to Jesus’s substitutionary atonement on the cross, and appeals to Isaiah 53.
worldcitizen1919 says
Baha’is have Two Manidestations of God.
The Bab and Baha’u’llah.
The lamb that was SLAIN that you refer to was the Bab not Christ as Christ was not slain CRUCIFIED!! Very important difference yet the Bible clearly distinguish Christ from the Bab.
The Bab was slain by a firing squad in 1844 at middy and was 30 years of age.
Both the Bab, the slain Lamb and Baha’u’llah the descendent of David were the only Ones worthy to unseal the Books.
Since Christ had come into being through the Divine Spirit, He called Himself the Son of God. Christ was descended from God not man.
But these verses apply word for word to Bahaullah.
dumbledoresarmy says
Nonsense.
Absolute nonsense.
Ever heard of *metaphor*? Figures of speech.
The ‘Lamb who was slain” *is* Yehoshuah of Nazareth.
“For God so loved the world that He gave **his only Son** that whosever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life”.
Gospel of John, third chapter, 16th verse.
Yehoshuah is the *only* Son. And *He* is the perfect Lamb that was slain – i.e. *killed*. As a sacrifice for our sins.
He didn’t have to have his throat cut in order to be identified as the Lamb – the sinless, perfect Lamb. He was killed by being crucified. But that doesn’t make him any less the sacrifice.
And as for your “Bab’ claiming to be a descendant of the Jewish King David…. RUBBISH.
PS
Jesus was raised from the dead, and many, many witnesses testified to that… besides the empty tomb, and the fact that nobody was *ever* able to publicly produce the body.
Whereas your miserable fraud of a ‘Bab’ – who arrogantly pretends to a crown, that of the King of Kings – to which he has no right whatsoever – is dead, dead, dead…. just like Mohammed, a previous fraud, is dead, dead, dead.
Kepha says
@World Citizen: Again, zeal for God, but according to confusion rather than knowledge.
The lamb that was slain rose again on the third day and ascended into Heaven some weeks later, while both the Bab and Baha’ullah (like Muhammad) await the day when the Lamb that was Slain–Jesus Christ–shall raise the dead for judgment.
Besides, if you accept all the biblical prophets, you must accept John the Baptist (Yahya to Muslims), who clearly identified the Lamb as Jesus Christ (see John 1:29). And, as a Kohen (told us in the Gospel of Luke, and leading to Muhammad’s confusion that he was just a generation removed from Amram, the father of Moses and Aaron–see Sura al-Imran), for John mention of a lamb that takes away the sins of the world (atonement) looks back to the Old Testament’s sacrificial system. He said this when he saw Jesus coming to the place of baptism.
John the Baptist’s namesake John the Son of Zebedee wrote this down in his Gospel. The same John the Son of Zebedee also gave us the epistles bearing his name and Revelation (Apocalypse). In the last book, he speaks of none other than the crucified and risen Jesus Christ.
Your Baha’i reading of the New Testament is possible only if the various texts are chopped up and read without reference to the other portions–which is no way to read any book.
As for Jesus’ being, he is both fully God and fully man. See Hebrews 1 and 2; to say nothing of the Gospels. As such, he is the only mediator between God and man (I Tim. 2:5).
My reading of the Bab and Baha’ullah is that they were men who perhaps saw beyond the bigotry of the Twelver Shi’ite Islam of their day, for which they have Uncle Kepha’s respect. Possibly they had positive encounters with non-Muslims’ and then tried to figure out some pleasant synthesis; much like the liberal Christian theologians who were their contemporaries, who bowed to their cultured despisers and denied the deep, pervasive, and unavoidable sinfulness of man.
And, since we are looking at Revelation 5, the way of salvation is not by being a good boy (or girl) and keeping your nose clean and the Golden Rule, but by the blood of Christ (the Lamb) that covers our sin and brings us back to fellowship with God. Sure, the Bab and Baha’ullah tell us to be good people, but they never said, “This is my blood of the covenant, shed for the many for the remission of sins”.(Mt. 26:27).
WC, you and other Baha’i need to come out from your Quakerized Twelver Babylon to Christ.
worldcitizen1919 says
This is not about superiority of Faith but about a suffering war ridden humanity which needs a lot of selfless, unconditional love so that it can mend its wounds.
What is religion? Why did God create us and what for?
TO LEARN TO LOVE EACH OTHER.
All these fights and disputes over religion don’t help humanity. Why don’t we put others first!mwhy aren’t there enough people who want to join together and put aside their differences and work for a better world?
Why is it always about supremacy?
God created us to LOVE ONE ANOTHER so we must love Muslims Christians Jews Hindus, Buddhists, aetheists and try and be at peace with everyone and condemn no one.
GOD IS LOVE nothing else. So spread love of all humanity and be free from prejudice towards all people and spread peace.
This is what Baha’u’llah came to remind us of TO LOVE. which we have forgotten in our selfish materialistic consumer mad society.
Try LOVE. It’s not hard. Be nice to someone. Smile, give a compliment.
Only LOVE can conquer like light eliminates darkness. We have to fill this world with universal love.
gravenimage says
“worldcitizen1919” wrote:
This is what Baha’u’llah came to remind us of TO LOVE. which we have forgotten in our selfish materialistic consumer mad society.
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Of course, it is not our “selfish materialistic consumer mad society”–by which this poster means the free West–which is mass murdering in the name of hatred. That would be Islam, which “worldcitizen1919” spends his time here spouting apologia for.
worldcitizen1919 says
We believe in all the major religions equally. Islam is only a part of our belief.
Our main belief is the oneness of humanity. That we are all a family. That is our main purpose and belief that we all accept each other as equal human beings regardless of our backgrounds .
We are not apologists for anything except truth.
Jay Boo says
Jews — of Medina:
Cutthroat Muhammad adopted the Jewish customs of the Jews in Medina and even prayed toward Jerusalem.
He said they worshipped the SAME GOD then robbed them, killed the males, took the women and children as sex slaves.
Christians — in Ethiopia
Fugitive Muhammad sought sanctuary. He said they worshipped the SAME GOD then robbed them, killed the males, took the women and children as sex slaves.
Pagans:
Politician Muhammad said they worshipped the THEIR GODs — (Plural)
He claimed the devil tricked him into making up false revelations to gods other than Allah.
No Fear says
I have read the Bible.
Is Jesus simply life itself? Is God the universe and the “world” you?
Lee says
Are you asking if Jesus is more or less like “The Force”, an impersonal energy that infuses all things, objects, and creatures in the universe? Well, that would be blasphemy. It would be complete denial of the theism. God, in that sense, would not be God but merely an electric charge, or maybe just an urge, or an emotion. Maybe God would be reduced to being equal with gravity, a mere function of physics.
No Fear says
I am asking if Jesus represents life itself. Life animates matter. Life is basically cellular respiration.
God is just an anthropomorphism of the universe.
Sandra Lee Smith says
No; He’s a specific Person, with a distinct personality, and part of the Godhead Who came among us dressed in humanity, to provide the way for us to be reconciled with God after our forebears broke that connection by following Satan instead of Yhwh. He lived. bled, died, and then lived again and still lives as a unique Person!
Champ ✞ says
Traditional Christians believe that Jesus Christ was crucified, died, and was buried, to redeem us from our sins and restore us to the Father. This same Jesus rose from the dead and ascended in glory, and will return at the end of this age to usher in his kingdom, after which the destiny of mankind as children of God will be fully revealed. — Ralph Sidway
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Yes–this is what I believe!
Jay Boo says
muhammad is dead.
JESUS lives
Champ says
Exactly, Jay Boo!
Question: “Why is the truth of the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ so important?”
Answer: The bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is the most important event in history, providing irrefutable evidence that Jesus is who He claimed to be – the Son of God. The resurrection was not only the supreme validation of His deity; it also validated the Scriptures, which foretold His coming and resurrection. Moreover, it authenticated Christ’s claims that He would be raised on the third day (John 2:19-21; Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:34). If Christ’s body was not resurrected, we have no hope that ours will be (1 Corinthians 15:13, 16). In fact, apart from Christ’s bodily resurrection, we have no Savior, no salvation, and no hope of eternal life. As the apostle Paul said, our faith would be “useless” and the life-giving power of the gospel would be altogether eliminated.
Excerpt here:
http://www.gotquestions.org/bodily-resurrection-Jesus.html
Kepha says
Good for you, Champ.
Why is the Resurrection so important? It shows Jesus is the Son of God (Rom. 1); and Paul also says that if Jesus stayed dead, we are of all men most to be pitied (I Cor, 15).
I will add that if Jesus Christ stayed dead, Uncle Kepha would see Christianity as nothing but a complete and utter waste of time (although he would also consider joining Judaism down to the tzitzit, yarmulke, laws of kashrut, getting poked with a hot needle behind the glans, and mikveh). However, since Jesus Christ is risen, and reigns body and soul from Heaven, I confess that God has indeed visited and redeemed his people.
Champ says
Kepha, all so true! Indeed, if Jesus Christ had not Risen! from the grave, then our *faith* in Him would be just another empty, religious ritual–just another dead and empty ‘religion’. But Jesus lives, and so our faith in Lord Jesus, and His finished work on the cross, is NOT in vain!
And I just love John MacArthur’s teachings, and he covers the importance of Christ’s resurrection so well …
https://youtu.be/YcFBJdlmOYU
Champ says
Interesting interview — that includes the nation of Israel!
https://youtu.be/OMi8RPnPFOg
Angemon says
Indeed. I can find no explanation to how or why Christian clerics can’t, or won’t, see what is blindingly obvious.
Lee says
I think maybe because they are clerics without being Christians, in a great many instances. A Christian CANNOT deny the exclusive claims of Christ. If a man deny Christ, as a matter of the habits of life, the Spirit is not in him.
revereridesagain says
“And how many of our wisest men will believe in the reality of these inspirations while perfectly sane on all other subjects.” — Thomas Jefferson
Carolyne says
I’m with Tom on this one.
Susannah says
I’m with you, Carolyne…!!
ICH says
Islam is so evil.
It could only be the work of Satan.
Hes a tricky devil isn’t he
Ian says
All religion is in the mind of Man
Carolyne says
Yes.
Susannah says
Agree….
Walter Wieruk says
The god of Islam is the god of the Koran it the Koranic Koranic god set up brothels for specific Muslim males who die fighting in the jihad for the cause of Islam as a “martyr” As seen in the doctrine contained in the Koran in 44:54. 55:56. 78:31.. This sexual enticing god of Islam is a stark contrast to the.God of the Bible For the God of the Bible is a Holy God Who is far different then the fictional sex -minded and sexual enticing god of Islam.
Walter Sieruk says
The message is of such great importance that is ,very much ,worth reiterating. The message is that there are a number of imams and other Muslim apologists for Islam, in America, who have made the claim that both the Christians and the Muslims worship the same God. Likewise, there have been quite a number of “Christian” pastors who have made this same claim. Nevertheless, there remains the question it that claim true and valid or is it a false and invalid claim? The reality is that the god of Islam, which is the god of the Muslims, is a single being. In contrast the God of Christianity is much more complex. In that the God Who the Christian worship is the Triune God. Who is one and only God is in composed of, by His Own Nature, the Trinity. The Trinity may be defined as “Within the essence of the one God there are Three distinct Persons. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Otherwise known as the Tri-Personal Nature of God. Matthew 3:13-17. Second Corinthians 13:14. Moreover, in the book entitled MAJOR BIBLE THEMES by Lewis Sperry Chafter in page39 in informs the reader that “Many believe the the doctrine of the Trinity in implicit in the use of the word Elohim ,as a name for God which is in a plural form and seems to refer to the Triune God.” Likewise, in the Christian magazine PERHAPS TODAY, November-December 2013.on page 8 about Genesis 11 it reads “In the beginning God [this is the plural noun Elohim, meaning ‘more than one’] created the heavens and the earth.” Furthermore, to give only a few examples of this Triune God of the Bible is that in Genesis 1:26 it teaches “”God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after our likeness…” The very next verse, 27, is further reads “So God made man in His own image is changes from the plural “Us” and “Our” to the singular “His.” If not at least a hint of the Trinity then there is an agreement error. In addition in the New Testament in Matthew 28:19 Jesus declared “Go ye therefore ,and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father ,and the Son and the Holy Ghost” [K.J.V.] That is in the “name” not “names” Furthermore the interworking of the Trinity together may be seen in that the Father sanctifies, First Thessalonians 5:23. The Son sanctifies Ephesians 5:26. Hebrews 2:11; 9:12,14; 13;12. The Holy Spirit sanctifies, Romans 15:16. Second Thessalonians 2:13. Likewise, this may be further seen in that the Father raised Jesus from the dead, Romans 10:9,10. The Son raised Himself from the dead, John 2:19-21. The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead, Romans 8:11. In conclusion, claim that the Christian and Muslim believe in and worship the same god is totally false. For by the Bible as well as logic and reason the god of Islam is not the God of Christianity. Likewise, the God of the Bible is not the god of the Koran.
Walter Sieruk says
The God of the Bible is the God Who is so Loving that “He gave His only begotten Son whoever believes [trusts] in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” John 3:16. Likewise., the God of the Bible is patient and is”not willing that any should parish but that all should come to repentance.” Second Peter 3:9. In great contrast the god of Islam likes it when non-Muslims [Kafirs] die. For example, the day after the London train bombing, on July 8, 2005 on Palestinian television imam Suliman Satari said “Annihilate the Infidels… Allah count them and kill them, to the last one and don’t leave even one.” Furthermore Imam Abu Hamza Al-Masri said “What makes Allah happy? Allah is happy when Kafiers get killed. [1]
As shown in an earlier posting the god of Islam is not the same god as the God of the Bible. The above words of these Imams reflect the example of Islam’s prophet and the teachings of the Quran. “Muhammad now fell upon them [the Jews] slew all the men, nine hundred of them…”[2]
Moreover, the Quran reads “When ye encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads, until ye have made great slaughter among them. Verily if Allah pleased, He could take vengeance on them without your assistance, but He commandeth you to fight His Battles.” 47:4,5. In conclusion, the God the Christians worship and the god the Muslims worship is the the same God.
[1] The disc documentary OBSESSION: RADICAL ISLAM’s AGAINST THE WEST
[2] THE OUTLINE OF HISTORY: THE WHOLE STORY OF MAN by H.G. Wells
Randy says
Christianity is a man made religion for weak minded people
Look at the abuse and persecution suffered by the native people’s at the hands of the Christians who stole and occupy their lands to this day
worldcitizen1919 says
If Christianity was a man made religion then why can’t anyone just start his own religion, get people to die as martyrs, defeat all opposition and finally win kings, queens and presidents to his cause.
If just any person can do that then your welcome to try and see how far you get.
There was a God behind Christ otherwise once He died He would have been forgotten like you and I will be but 2,000 years later billions of people follow Him.
Can you do that?
Godwin says
Yes, all these were human created gods as proclaimed by Albert Einstein after he found so many scientific errors in their holy books.
All these old religions would have been forgotten long time ago if their leaders did not proclaim that their holy men, so-and-so, are coming, to trick the believers to hang on.
Nostradamas had predicted that ” He, who is awaited in the West, will come from the East. ”
So now we have a few holy men in the East who performed miracles.
We have 1. Meishu-sama, who taught his followers to channel the Light of God for spiritual cum physical healing.You can find his Johrei centers all over the world except in Muslim lands.
2. Master Lu Jun Hong, Whose spiritual eye can see your past and present lives and also through your physical body to find the causes of your sicknesses. He prescribes chanting Buddhist mantras for curing sickness which have a spiritual cause.Thanks to the Great Compasionate Guan Yin Bodhisattva. it works miracles. He is now world famous, esp.among the Buddhists.
The above Masters’ work can be checked n confirmed in their respective websites ( Johrei n Guan Yin Citta Darma Door ) and Youtubes ( Just type ” master Lu Hong on the search spacing )
What really work in this world is KARMA and REINCARNATION. Any crime committed will sooner or later has its retribution. In short. if you planted an evil deed, you will get its evil fruit..
Anyone who proclaims that your sins can be forgiven without your doing any redemption is cheating you..
Mark Swan says
Albert Einstein, the great physicist and Nobel Prize winner, saw awesome intelligence revealed in the existence of natural law. He wrote that the scientist’s “religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection” (Einstein: A Centenary Volume, ed. A. P. French, Harvard University Press, 1979, p. 305). Einstein was amazed at the intelligence he saw in natural law. He called human intelligence, compared to that superior intelligence revealed in natural law, “an utterly insignificant reflection.” That far superior intelligence behind the laws of the universe is the God who created the universe—the great Lawgiver!
Jay Boo says
Poor old Randy only knows how to sing one note in his repeated SPAM
dajjal says
Hell no, I can’t but Moe fabricated Islam for his own emolument and succeeded so well that the war machine continues running 1406 years later.
Kepha says
And modern atheism is for weak-minded people who are oh-so-shocked when their little god of humanity turns out to be so evil; and how must twist and garble the historical record to avoid facing it (except, of course, when they look at the Crusades; and then claim Stalin was really acting on what he learned as an Orthodox seminarian; and that the Kims of North Korea are just acting on what Kim Il-sung’s Presbyterian parents taught him).
There. I can be snide, too.
Mirren10 says
Hi, Kepha.
I left a reply to you re Bulverism on the muslims and Jews break bread thread.
Florida Jim says
Simply compare the lives of Christ and Mohammad and ask yourself whom would rather follow?
Christians do not always live up to Jesus Christ but He is always forgiving us and asking us to try again in love.
Jack says
There is a mistake in the Qur’an about the Virgins, it was discovered almost two centuries ago, but the powers in the Islamic hierarchy decided not to correct the mistake. The Muslim warrior for Allah upon his death receives ONE 72 Year Old virgin, Not 72Virgins.
WorkingClassPost says
I suggest that even at 72 most would rather remain virgin than entertain any one of those scumbuckets.
dajjal says
The number 72 is not used in the Qur’an in reference to houris. It is found in Jamih Tirmidhi, but read the fine print. The Shahid gets only two houris. The 70, if he is so lucky, are Jewish or Christian women “taken from the fire:.
worldcitizen1919 says
Here’s the Bahai interpretation of that verse by Abdul-Baha, Son of Baha’u’llah.
Paradise explained by Muhammad in the Koran is allegorical
“Relative to the Paradise explained by Mohammed in the Koran, such utterances are spiritual and are cast into the mould of Words and figures of speech, for at that time people did not possess the capacity of comprehending spiritual significances. It is similar to that reference to His Highness Christ who, addressing His disciples said, “I shall not partake of the fruit of the vine any more until I reach the Kingdom of My Father.” Now it is evident His Highness Christ did not mean material grapes, but it was a spiritual condition and a heavenly state which He interpreted as this fruit.
“Now whatever is revealed in the Koran has the same import.”
(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Star of the West, vol. 2, issue 15, p. 16)
Revealed to Bahá’u’lláh[edit]
dajjal says
Since yer cult is an insane heresy on an insane contrvance, I take no stock in its defense of its precursor.
The Qur’an has bits of Jannah descriptions scattered throuought. Use a good Qur’an search engine such as YAQB to find inclusions of: river, garden, purified mates, green birds and maidens. The major part is in Surah 78 at & after verse 31.
Moe was promising the Bedouins what he knew they craved most: hair pie, wine & victuals. To collect, they only had to get killed doing his wet work. Moe could promise them anything without worrying about how he would make good.
Damn right I rely on 9.111, 9.120, 48.19 & 61 9-12 to establish proof of the obvious.
Let doubters and dissenters turn to the books of Jihad and Paradise in Riyad us-Saliheen & Jamih Tirmidhi.
worldcitizen1919 says
Found this too. Quite interesting.
Húrí is an Arabic term employed by Muḥammad to designate the “pure ones” or “white ones,” the heavenly maidens that will be the reward of those who enter paradise. If taken literally, the term would seem to designate virginal maidens who become literally unveiled in a physical “heaven.” However, as explained by Bahá’u’lláh, the term húrí is intended by Muḥammad as a symbolic allusion to spiritual and intellectual mysteries that become “unveiled” or unconcealed as a reward for the faithful. Accordingly, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá observes that “mysteries of which man is heedless in this earthly world, those he will discover in the heavenly world, and there will he be informed of the secret of truth….” (Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, p. 209).
dajjal says
Jesus taught in parables and allegories. Moe, ranting to illiterate Arab rabble, simple men with intense biological needs for food & beverage and a craving for cherries to pop, spoke in terms they could comprehend. Rivers of wine that never spoils and never causes a hangover, orchards of low hanging fruit always in season and virgins who grow new hymens every time. He also promised them little boys, ageless youth who never bleed when buggered. He also promised them they would never need Viagra in Jannah. When Moe died, Ali wrapped him in two shrouds in an attempt to conceal the fact that he already enjoyed that latter prize. Islam is carnal, not spiritual!
john says
al-Mahdi is the Christian antichrist
“Neither be called masters: for one is your Master, the Christ” Matthew 23:10
Master in greek (“kathégétés”) means a leader, teacher, guide, master, the guided one. al-Mahdi called “guide” actually tries to go through Christ, but Jesus is the true Christ, the promised Messiah.
In Christian eschatology, after the emergence of the Antichrist, it will take SEVEN years for the return of Jesus (Dan 9:27), which will come after a false peace described by Paul in (I Thessalonians 5:3). Similarly Abu-Dawud describes: “The Mahdi will be of my stock, and will have a broad forehead a prominent nose. He will fill the earth will equity and justice as it was filled with oppression and tyranny, and he will rule for SEVEN years”.
See what the Hadith of Bihar al-anwar says “Listen to the good news about the Mahdi! He will rise at the time when people will be faced with severe conflict and the earth will be hit by a VIOLENT QUAKE” (Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, P. 7). This VIOLENT QUAKE is described in Revelation 16:18: “And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a GREAT EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great”.
Abu Dawud says: “… He will remain SEVEN YEARS, then die, and Muslims will pray for him (at his funeral)”. But Abu Dawud doesn’t say how al-Mahdi will die, but the Bible says in 2 Thessalonians 2: 8: “And Then the lawless one Shall be revealed, Whom the Lord Jesus Shall consume with the BREATH OF HIS MONTH, and Shall annul by the appearing of his coming”. Mahdi will be killed BY Jesus Christ at his coming.
“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and {I saw} the souls of them that were BEHEADED for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast {antichrist}, neither his image, neither had received {his} mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years” Apocalipse 20:4
Who are being BEHEADED because of their faith in Christ Jesus ?
Mark Swan says
dajjal…You got such a way with words…I am reading along and read every comment from the top
until I got to your…dajjal says March 12, 2016 at 5:32 am comment…that one caught me off guard…
it busted me up laughing…thanks.
dajjal says
Thanks for the kind words, Mark Swan. I aim to inform, and hope to amuse along the way. Too often I infuriate.
Paleologos says
Here’s what I believe, and I’m a Roman Catholic. …
islam is the religion of Satan. All you need to come to that conclusion is to follow Robert’s blog, and a handful of other blogs run by people who “get” islam, … and, most importantly, watch Geert Wilder’s FITNA, until YOU “get” isam. …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RmiRPEvUIk
I fully believe God meant for man to “Reach for the stars.”
The shelf life on our little sun is limited. When our sun dies, and goes super nova, that’s the end of our solar system. So if we haven’t perfected space travel to Star Trek proportions, we’re cooked, literally.
I don’t completely “get” God. My brain is too small; … and so is yours. 🙂
But I KNOW allah does not exist. allah is Satan. Trust me. 🙂
R/
Paleologos
Champ says
Mosab Hassan Yousef, son of Hamas leader, becomes a Christian …
Here Mosad Hassan Yousef explains that “Allah Is Satanic”
https://youtu.be/N38mjeLfNBk
Jaem says
Amazing video. Thanks for posting.
Champ says
You’re welcome, Jaem.
gravenimage says
Notice how much more civilized Muslim apostates look than those who follow the baleful Muhammed–especially those who have converted to Christianity.
Champ says
Indeed, Graven!
Reminds me of a verse in the Bible …”you shall know them by their fruit.”
abad says
The Jesus of the Four Gospels. Certainly not the Islamic Jesus.
Islam is of Satan, NOT of God.
Billy Bob Bundy says
No one should take any of this shit seriously. Revelation is an LSD trip, nothing more. Bible sucks; Koran sucks.
gravenimage says
Billy Bob, even if you believe that Christianity and Islam are equally fanciful, surely you can see the differing ethical consequences in fallowing the Prince of Peace or a violent warlord?
gravenimage says
Jesus is coming soon, but which Jesus?
……………………..
*Very* important question. It is not just that the Muslim “Jesus”–really, “Isa”–was not the Savior and did not die for anyone’s sins. He also was not a healer or a peacemaker.
His role in the “Last Days” is to “kill the pigs and break the cross”–in other words, to destroy dhimmitude, the small, uncertain space under Islam where Christians are grudgingly allowed to practice their faith. After this, Christians are faced with a stark choice–conversion to Islam or death.
In other words, the main purpose of “Jesus” in Islam is to *kill Christians*.
Jaem says
So many people take the stance of Islam being such an innocent religion that has nothing to do with ISIS. You hear them say that “not all Muslims believe in the same things as ISIS”. I challenge each one of those people to ASK the Muslims they think are “westernized” if they deny those Koran and Hadith verses.
They ultimately cannot say they deny the Koranic beliefs and still be Muslim.
This is one of the most dangerous cults ever, mostly because the leaders of the free world deny that Muslims follow examples in the Koran. How did we get to the point where utter lies, with the truth staring us right in the face, are believed? Pray God casts out islam from the world.
UNCLE VLADDI says
MUHAMMAD DIDN’T REALLY BELIEVE IN THE “LAST DAY” OF JUDGMENT!
When he first designed islam to enrich himself, Muhammad’s plan was to move up the Judgment Day timetable from God in the Afterlife, to himself in the here and now. That’s how Moe sought to usurp and rival God’s power by claiming He gave him the duty to judge us by bringing “inevitable” Hell down to us here on earth!
It also shows Muhammad didn’t personally really believe in one of islam’s own main “pillars:” that of “The Last Day (of Judgment)!” – at all LOL!
So in Islam, people will no longer have to wait to be judged individually for their personal crimes, because Moe has lumped people who disagree with his claims to represent God’s judgment today into a group he also claims God has pre-judged – even specifically made – guilty until never proven innocent: the “Infidels,” ALL of whom whom Moe preposterously sentenced to “Death By Muslim” for their simple “crime” of being “unfaithful” hypocrites in denying that they were really all born ‘muslims,’ too!
So islam obviates the need for any god at all, replacing him with Muhammad. (Not to mention it slanders god as a sadistic slaver who deliberately creates “infidels” so he can torture them in hell forever).
Bottom line: anyone who thinks this stuff through for even a half a second should know better than to believe God wants them to go to Hell for being “infidel” (unfaithful) hypocrites for refusing to admit that they believe in Moe’s version of Him (and so also for refusing to give Moe all of their camels).