Arguably, Matthew Doyle was rude to confront a stranger, or even, in his later version, to ask her politely to explain something with which she had no involvement. He was clumsily expressing the frustration that many non-Muslims feel over the general failure of Muslim communities in the West to do much of anything to stop the jihad violence they say they condemn. Where, as I have asked hundreds of times, are their programs to prevent young Muslims from adhering to the Islamic State’s understanding of Islam? If they really reject that understanding, these should be everywhere.
One might call Doyle obnoxious, boorish, ham-fisted, whatever. But to arrest him for this is shocking, and demonstrates how much Britain has degenerated. Now being impertinent or unkind to a Muslim on the street is a crime? If so, then the UK is well on its way to adopting the rest of Sharia, and its days as a free nation are over. Also, how many Muslims have been arrested in Britain for asking non-Muslims rude questions?
“Croydon man arrested after confronting Muslim woman and telling her to ‘explain Brussels,'” by Adam Boult, Telegraph, March 23, 2016:
A man who tweeted about stopping a Muslim woman in the street yesterday, challenging her to “explain Brussels”, and lambasted on Twitter for his comments, has responded to the criticism today, insisting he is not some ‘far right merchant’.
Matthew Doyle, partner at a south London-based talent & PR agency, posted a tweet on Wednesday morning saying: “I confronted a Muslim woman in Croydon yesterday. I asked her to explain Brussels. She said ‘nothing to do with me’. A mealy mouthed reply.”
He was later arrested.
His tweet referred to yesterday’s bomb attacks on the Belgian capital’s main airport and Metro system that left at least 34 people dead and 198 injured. His comment went viral, being retweeted hundreds of times before he eventually deleted it.
Mr Doyle told the Telegraph he had no idea his tweet would be the “hand grenade” it has proven to be – and that Twitter’s 140 character limit made the encounter sound vastly different to how he thought it went.
“What everyone’s got wrong about this is I didn’t confront the woman,” he said. “I just said: ‘Excuse me, can I ask what you thought about the incident in Brussels?'”
“She was white, and British, wearing a hijab – and she told me it was nothing to do with her.
“I said ‘thank you for explaining that’ – and her little boy said goodbye to me as we went out separate ways.”
On Wednesday afternoon, he says, someone who’s been outraged by his comments “turned up at my door, gave me a load of abuse and tried to throw a punch at me.”
As for his more inflammatory tweets, Mr Doyle claims they’re intended as a joke, which people who know him would understand as “that’s absolutely not who I am.”
“I’m not some far-right merchant, I’m not a mouthpiece for any kind of racism or radicalism,” he says. “If I was xenophobic I wouldn’t live in London.
“I have a Muslim neighbour who got burgled, and I was one of the first people to go around to help.”
However, he says he does believe Muslims aren’t doing enough to speak out against terrorism.
“The horror that happened in Brussels could happen here,” he adds, “and your naive if you think London isn’t on some terror shortlist.”…
Sile Draper says
I’ve been pestered by slimes on the streets of London….nobody cares when they do it. Or make death threats in public. Why are they getting away with it?
nicu says
Muslims are the holy cows in Eurabistan :((
pdxnag says
OMG, it seems to fit quite well.
KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM says
“Mr Doyle told the Telegraph he had no idea his tweet would be the “hand grenade” it has proven to be – and that Twitter’s 140 character limit made the encounter sound vastly different to how he thought it went.”
Here you go Matthew – http://talltweets.com/ -this will solve your and the world’s problems regarding the “140 character limit”. I just hope ISIS doesn’t read this.
Martin jenkins says
UK. I have watched hundreds of videos of Muslim’s demonstrating in the UK (and other democratic countries) the hate speech and banners used are frightening at best. At worst they threaten death. Their faces and in some instances where they work are clearly visible. Why are they not arrested and not prosecuted?
Marcel Berube says
Because they always act like this when they are two or more. A lonely muslim somewhere tend to stay calm . Islam is a tribal religion . Tribes act like tribes: the more you are , bravest you are. It has always been like that with islam .
Mohammed start by intimidating his family . Then , as he win on them , he intimidated his nears. As it work out well , his group became larger. So he could threat the tribe. When the tribe was submit to him and his sword , he submit another tribe: a jewish one . Then a city , then a region , then Arabia , then the next country , then north of Africa , then Middle East and East . Now ? Western world .
roy jennings says
Until the majority of Europeans WAKE UP from the complacency created by mainstream media over the Muslim immigration crisis, this cancer will continue to grow in strength. Every Muslim is brain washed from the earliest age that Islam is the only way of life. They reinforce this up to 5 times every day via prayer. You will not change them. If you believe in freedom & democracy (the European commission does not) then do what our fore fathers did when faced with fascism. FIGHT!
mortimer says
ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF COVERUP…TERRORISTS ARE PROTECTED
“Nothing to do with me”. The answer of the illogical and the lazy and the terrified.
Islam forces all Muslims to become practiced liars. Deep down, I’m sure that woman realizes she supports a Death Cult of violence and terrorism, but it’s easier to pretend she needn’t speak out.
Mohammed explained that a Muslim may not criticize another Muslim under pains of not entering paradise:
Mohammed said: “Do you know what slander is?” They answered: “Allah and His Messenger know best.” Mohammed said: “It is to mention of your brother that which he would dislike.”
Someone asked: “What if he is as I say?” And he replied: “If he is as you say, you have backbited him, and if not, you have calumniated him.”
mortimer says
If Matthew Doyle had filmed the exchange, there would have been no complaint. We must all have a witness or a videocam whenever we speak to a Muslim.
They will take anything they like as the Islamic crime of ‘slander’ and they will take the greatest delight in persecuting a dirty kafir.
Do Muslims not see that this sort of behavior will lead to a permanent resentment that will build and build until they are excluded and mistrusted by everyone?
The question of trust will not be resolved by saying ‘Nothing to do with me.’ That is a childish and unthoughful answer of a supremacist…it’s also a blatant lie.
The answer to ‘Nothing to do with me’ is surely, ‘Well, you’re a Muslim! Don’t you approve of jihad?’
Jack Holan says
I am totally in the dark.What was the charge or offense the came up with and do they have similar Freedom of Speech rights as the US?
mortimer says
JH wrote: “What is the charge?”
The woman is trying to enforce Sharia law, placing it above national law. A dirty kafir should not imply there is anything wrong or bad about Islam. She is defending jihad terrorism from criticism.
The complaint may not go to court, but it is a message that ALL OF US MUST take videos when we talk to Muslims, because they will act weasely with us. At least have a ready witness.
Muslims do not have to ‘play fair’ with a dirty kafir. That is the lesson we need to learn from this story.
AK says
Well not quite. As it appears he’s been arrested based on his account of the event via his tweets rather than any complaint by the said women. The tweets are enough to lead to an arrest.
Certainly a stain on a ‘free’ country that it’s citizens can be arrested for such a much of muchness nonetheless but alas, the norm over here.
Brit says
No we do not. The Public Order Offences Act seems to make all but cringing sycophantic behaviour illegal.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_order_offences/
Jack Diamond says
Interesting progression of these offenses over the years from racially motivated assault to, in 2006, “Stirring Up Religious Hatred – Racial and Religious Hatred Act”. As of 2012 the list of offenses includes “Racially/religiously aggravated wounding/grievous bodily harm” and “Racially/religiously aggravated fear/provocation of violence” and “Racially/religiously aggravated intentional harassment/alarm/distress.” Alarm and distress, undefined psychological harms.
“Stirring up religious hatred” further explained “if a person uses threatening words or behaviour, or displays any written material, which is threatening, if he intends thereby to stir up religious hatred.” That’s bad enough (incidentally it never leads toward banning the Qur’an for just those reasons, or prosecuting the hate speech and literature “stirring up religious hatred” daily from amongst the Muslims) but the confusion gets worse: “Threatening is the operative word, not abusive or insulting…so using abusive or insulting behaviour intended to stir up religious hatred does not constitute an offence, nor does using threatening words likely to stir up religious hatred.
“There is a freedom of expression defence contained in Section 29J, which confirms that nothing in the Act “… prohibits or restricts discussion, criticism or expressions of antipathy, dislike, ridicule, insult, or abuse of particular religions, or the beliefs or practices of its adherents.” Yeah right. The overriding concern is the “public good”–which nowadays means never causing offense to Muslims, i.e. poking a mad dog with a stick (er, I mean not bruising the sensitive feelings of the poor dears).
underbed cat says
So who do you ask to explain Brussels?.So you don’t get arrested. Cair has explained it has nothing to do with islam, which I am sure is the correct answer…and will never change. Jihadist claim it, so what is jihad, but it has nothing to do with this Islam.
Just don’t peak into the doctrine, that would be racist….hateful and may provoke another..someone gets offended….for things they have nothing to do with…as this woman already explained. And she didn’t…so no need to talk.
There is only one thing for sure, don’t ask a muslim about terrorism it has nothing to do with their religion…and if in Europe you may get arrested. Got it.
David M says
A Metropolitan Police spokeman said: “A 46-year-old man was this evening arrested at his home in Croydon on suspicion of inciting racial hatred on social media. He has been taken to a south London police station and enquiries continue.”
A white man arrested for inciting racial hatred of a white woman? Good luck in prosecuting that in court. Then again, the world seems to have gone crazy, so who knows how it will go.
underbed cat says
Welcome to Cuba, ah I mean Europe.
At least Cuba has very nice weather.
Manuel Paleologus says
Amen. Amen. 😉
Yokel says
They must now have concluded their “enquiries” as he has been charged and will appear before Magistrates on Saturday morning:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35898029
On the other hand, nothing has been heard about this chap and his rant in support of the recently executed Mumtaz Qadri. You will recall that he killed an opponent of Pakistan’s evil blasphemy laws:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35893123
gravenimage says
All too true. This prosecution of “hate speech” is pretty damn selective…
Anne Smith says
it seems the police have nothing better to do than read tweets and decide to arrest people on the basis of whether they consider a “hate” crime has been committed. No complaint from the woman herself. The police did the deciding. Nothing better to do, like looking for Jihadis bent on blowing up British people, or finding caches of bombs, guns, cells of would be jihadis, returnees from Syria et al.
No wonder the police are so stupid when the minister in charge of counter terrorism is one “Lord” Tariq Ahmed. Cameron and his gang of thicko cronies are really leading us down the slippery path.
Jon says
I think we’re all ‘guilty’ of the same charges – I know I am. To use terms like ‘incitement to racial hatred’ when people are just being justifiably critical of the worst aspects of Islam, is totally over the top. It brings the police into disrepute as well as diluting any respect for laws regarding REAL racial attack of the type that happens in the Middle East and Africa for example, often amongst Muslim groups.
The Met needs to get its head out of its communal ass before it starts looking like an ass.
Panmelia says
@ Jack Holan
The charge is ‘inciting racial hatred’ according to an earlier news item. Maybe they’ve added ‘religious hatred’ since, if it has finally dawned on the woodentop thought police that islam isn’t a race. The real problem is Twitter because if some self-righteous skank decides to complain to the police about some tweet they didn’t like, the cops have to investigate it.
Mind you, they didn’t have to arrest him; he must have been unfortunate enough to get some half-witted, heavy-handed dumbkopf plod. Let’s hope the guy has a good solicitor who will make the police feel small and stupid.
Hey, things could be worse, much worse. In our last General Election (May 2015) the Labour leader Ed Miliband was going around sucking up to muzzrats, promising to bring in a crime of “islamophobia” if he became Prime Minister. Miliband is Jewish! You couldn’t make it up.
Luckily, he didn’t get elected owing to a serious lack of brains and popularity. But he was only picking up a policy that the Labour government under Blair was making noises about in 2005. So why wasn’t “islamophobia” made a crime in 2005?
Because on 7/7/05 some vile muslim scum detonated bombs in London and sent 52 people to kingdom come, not to mention many more to hospital with life-changing injuries.
We need another Churchill and the man for that role is UKIP’s Nigel Farage.
Tommo says
UK Muslims got clean away with 7/7. They should have been made collectively responsible for this Islamic based atrocity. Police should have hit Luton and Bedfordshire mosques and closed down those harboring radicals. Families of the terrorists should have been deported and their wider group of friends intensely investigated. Bombing of passengers on a train should warrant the death penalty. It is such a cowardly act and guaranteed to kill and serious wound many.
Bindon Blood says
Yes in Britain there is total freedom of speech although there is no first amendment,there was never any need for it. Arbitrary arrest is illegal. I would say that this man has a very good case for false arrest and imprisonment. The nit- wit copper who arrested him knows very little about the law ,as many police constables in Britain these days. He has probably arrested him on “hate speech” which is a dreadful Orwellian neologism that I refuse to acknowledge as a legitimate expression of any democratic law. Considering that the powers of arrest given for low level offences,even if this was one,actually one can ask any question of anyone providing it is not associated with violence,indecency or sexual implications.The person questioned can say,”go away” walk away,or if really short tempered might give the questioner a quick slap or two,which would be illegal.To continually pester would be an offence or to restrain someone in order to make them listen.The question asked is not an offensive remark per se,it is not different to a reporter asking the same question on the street,The powers of arrest are first and foremost to consider it necessary in the circumstances.If the Constable came to his home it obviously isn’t .There is not an offence of asking a Muslim a question. If anything at all it could be judged as conduct likely to provoke a breach of the peace. Anyone can arrest for this common law offence but not once the danger of a breach of the peace has passed,unless it was thought he was going to provoke another breach of the peace. As he had gone home this was obviously not the case.The police in Britain are very P.C and the leaders are part of the new left wing establishment. They are not very efficient and are petrified of Islam,the charge of “Islamophobia”and”Racism” and will bend over backwards to placate Islam.The organisations that detect and prevent terrorist attacks are in different departments and categories.
This person should see a barrister with a view to suing these clowns for unlawful arrest and imprisonment.
grace says
I looked sideways at a moslem in the shop today, so cuff me Danno.
mortimer says
I believe Doyle, who was previously supportive, will now start looking sideways too. He will have his eyes opened.
By stinging Doyle, Muslims have lost a yet one more naïve, gullible Leftarded supporter. Doyle is now ready to learn the sad truth about Islamic supremacism, something he had previously refused to see. He will see it from now on more and more.
Ron says
I have friends in England they are saddened by the actions of their so called government. Been to Europe a number of times but not comming back again.
Anon says
How many of us can you get out? I hear that the US Govt only welcomes those it should refuse!
mortimer says
The Messages of the Islamic Veil
Muslim women wear the veil to express separation from infidels.
Muslim women wear the veil to express their hatred of infidels.
The Islamic veil tells us that the Muslimah submits to the idea of her inferiority and worth as a half-human.
The Islamic veil says the woman accepts misogyny, FGM, child marriage, wife rape, wife beating, cousin marriage, and life-long enslavement.
The Islamic veil tells us we are her social inferiors.
The Islamic veil is a flag of jihad (the war to conquer the infidels) and a declaration of war against the infidels.
Toxick1 says
I always thought it was because they were too ugly to be seen in person
William says
I don’t see anything wrong with approaching a woman wearing a hijab and asking her to explain her coreligionists’ murdering people while claiming to be doing so in the name of their religion. She wasn’t an inconspicuous adherent to the religion. She was a person wearing a hijab, a public expression of allegiance to Mohammedanism. She was making a claim publicly. It is like carrying a flag.
Would it be rude to ask a person carrying a communist or a Nazi flag to explain the murders committed by the communists or Nazi regimes? No. I think it is perfectly legitimate to ask the question.
And for her to respond by saying that it had nothing to do with her is really illustrative. She is wearing the symbol of the belief system of the murderers and yet she has the nerve to say it had nothing to do with her? Of course it has something to do with her. She is professing the belief system that motivated the killers. If she really doesn’t believe it has anything to do with her, it shows she may be ignorant of the ideology that she professes and she needs to do some further examination of her beliefs.
mortimer says
This story is about Shari law, William. Please inform yourself about ‘slander’ and ‘calumny’ in discriminatory, supremacist Sharia law.
You will be astounded. Sharia law is irrational, supremacist and discriminatory. It contradicts Western law which is based on common sense, reason and the Golden Rule, rather than on the words and deeds of pedophile, pirate and plagiarist Mohammed. Sharia law is constructed so as to cover up the criminality of jihadists.
maghan says
And that’s exactly the case with most Muslims. They are just “cultural Muslims”. But with converts, it’s different story. What exactly motivated them to become Muslims? It could just be very trivial reasons. Given the limitations of the intelligence and reasoning powers of the vast majority of humans, should this convert be given a pass on this.
mortimer says
When Muslims are criticized, they close ranks with one another, clam up and defend the criminals among them from exposure, from prosecution and from ‘shame’.
The criminals may go free, but Islam will not lose ‘honor’ before the dirty kafirs.
Islam is conspiratorial, and predatory. Discriminatory Sharia guarantees that dirty kafirs will always be victimized and will always be in the wrong. Even if they are actually in the right, blame will be shifted onto the kafirs for having the boldness to make a complaint against a Muslim.
Brit says
Insult, I would guess.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_order_offences/
Jay Boo says
“However, he says he does believe Muslims aren’t doing enough to speak out against terrorism.”
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Four months to catch a Muslim living in his own neighborhood who was only caught because of an unusual pizza delivery not the Muslim infested community.
Did no one recognize his acquaintances and family come and go?
The EU must stop more of these Muslim collaborators from entering Europe.
Marty says
“I’m not a far-Right merchant, insists man who told Muslim woman to ‘explain Brussels’
How’s that for the sheer dishonesty of UK politics ?
Islam is the ideology of the Far Far Beyond Hitler Right.
Decent conservatives,liberals & socialists & all feminists should hate and fear islam.
The Far Right should love it for its racism, cruelty, anti semitism, misogyny, etc
maghan says
Given the assigned meaning of “Far Right”, it is indeed the case that Islam is the furthest right of all perceived Far Right ideologies and belief systems.
Islam as expressed in the Qur’an is the only ideology that claims to be true for all time and that it is the duty of its adherents to kill non-adherents–no questions asked. Yet, liberals and leftists embrace Islam fully. This is totally puzzling.
Jerry says
When a brief, non-threatening verbal exchange with a muslim gets you arrested then you know you’ve reached full dhimmi status. I don’t know much about British law, but I would think this case to be a violation of some fundamental right to express and engage others in society. I’ve seen muslims in the UK standing with threatening signs declaring their jihad intentions for destroying Britain, but that’s acceptable under the law. But a frank question from a non-muslim deserves the pokey?
Britain is becoming an Alice in Wonderland of distorted reality and bad morals. Spencer’s intellectual truth is banned while religious fanaticism and bigotry is given free rein. Sound criticism of islam is quashed with jail, lawsuits, job loss, or ostracization. Like when Paul Weston quoted Winston Churchill during a campaign speech, he was promptly arrested in part for “suspicion of religious or racial harassment.” Sound like Nazi Germany to you? 1400 of their kids are raped by muslim men, but their leaders and police do next to nothing. I guess it’s too islamophobic to protect your children from child rapists. Muslim women and girls are abused by sharia courts, sexually mutilated and forced to marry. Like we never saw THAT coming! Muslim enclaves are breeding grounds for radicalism, sharia enforcement, and honor violence–parallel societies that even the police are afraid to enter. It’s cultural jihad against Britain and the west, and we’re helping them do it.
Our leaders and politicians have created this mess. And now they want us to lie down like good little children with our mouths shut. We are asked to care more about a stone age, murdering cult than our own nations, culture, and family. I admit, I’m no doctor of “sanity.” But I’m quite sure these people are nuts.
Brit says
We have no fundamental right to engage others in society. The Public Order Offences Act makes it illegal to use “insulting words”. As we all know, what constitutes an insult is in the eye of the beholder.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_order_offences/
Jerry says
If insult is in the eye of the beholder as you say, then no law can legislate that. The only law that makes sense in the face of that subjective reality is the one that allows all people to offend and be offended equally. Unfortunately under sharia only muslims have the right to “offend” by denying others their basic human rights. The rest of us can only be offended.
Tell me, are you offended by the rape of children? Sexual mutilation and forced marriage? The murder of innocents for some pagan god?
Have a nice day, apologist for evil.
Yokel says
Please don’t attack the man for stating what the law of the land states. Just as I doubt that you approve of every law and regulation passed in your land over the past eight years, so many of us don’t either. But the “establishment” knows best and does what it wants anyway. As we are a disarmed people, our government is not afraid of us.
Jerry says
…and what do you mean we have no fundamental right to engage others? Are you saying millions of people are breaking some law by interacting with others? And since when is asking a harmless question a violation of Section 4? You’re an idiot. Probably the chief of police or some grovelling politician. Wow, if a little question can get you arrested then what does child rape or religious bigotry get you? Apparently not a darn thing, not in hoary old England.
Brit says
You illustrate my point quite well by completely misinterpreting my reply. My point was that because “insult” is so open to misinterpretation, under this law British people have effectively had their natural right to engage others taken away from them. Maybe I have misunderstood the law I am not a lawyer. I posted the link so others could judge for themselves. I thought it was obvious that I think this is a bad law, but not to you evidently, so I will spell it out. I wish we in Britain had something like the !st Amendment.
Jerry says
Well Brit, I apologize for the misunderstanding. But given the brevity of your post you can hardly blame me. You didn’t exactly elucidate your point. If anything you seemed to be implying that the man was wrong and in violation of law, which you referenced with a website. But you’re right, Britain needs something like a 1st amendment. But perhaps that’s too little too late, almost like raising the flag on a sinking ship. At any rate, good luck.
Brit says
Thank you for your apology and good wishes. I think it is a difficult question whether what he did is morally right or wrong. For any woman, to be approached by a strange man with such a stark question is probably embarassing and slightly intimidating. If the question had been raised in the midst of a conversation where the subject had come up naturally then I would have no problem with his behaviour and her response would seem unnecessarily defensive. It doesn’t sound as if it happened like that though. I myself often come across women in niqabs in the supermarket and feel an impulse to try and persuade them of how wrong it is. I always resist though by telling myself that they are either genuinely oppressed, in which case I would only be making them feel more miserable, or they have freely chosen to mask themselves and must feel hostile and superiour to me, so engagement would be futile anyway. Whether I am right or wrong about this, I definately do not think any speech apart from incitement to violence and defamation should be criminalised.
Jerry says
“I definately do not think any speech apart from incitement to violence and defamation should be criminalised.”–Brit
Here’s some “incitement to violence” that needs to be criminalized:
“And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… ”
“As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
“I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
“And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah”
“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
“O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
“Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…”
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Do you think I’d get in trouble for asking British muslims if they plan on destroying us as their religion commands? or is it too islamophobic to ask while all this muslim terrorism going on?
maghan says
What if a woman decides to walk topless or just nude down Oxford Street, should others on the street have the right to ask her questions such as ” do you know where the closest nudist camp is”? In general, do passersby have the right to approach the woman and ask questions relating to her state if dress? Would those questions be verbal assaults?
Or what if a man decides to walk down the street wearing a Hitler uniform?
Should persons who ask such questions be arrested for talking about the incident on social media?
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
This is unbelievable. But UK has been getting dhimmified. BBC reporters instead of expressing disgust react with feigned surprise everytime jihadists kill non muslims anywhere in Europe , India , America as though such conduct on the part of muslims is totally unheard of. Any normal human being would react spontaneously with ” Not again..” But bbc & cnn reporters end up worrying about “backlash against muslims”. Not a thought is spared for the orphaned children of victims , for the injured by them.
They never report on rapes , lootings done by muslim migrants in Europe but shed copious tears for the muslim migrants & their future.
Years earlier I recall reading in this blog how Germany would not allow anyone utter a syllable against Islam / muslims . Thus proving it was another dhimmi entity. Sadly entire Europe has been conquered by muslims. Why would the so called moderates toy with ideas of reforming the radicals when their mission gets accomplished so easily through intimidation ? Even the condemnations being offered by them with the usual “this is not islam….islam stands for peace ” is faux.
Yokel says
feigned surprise
I suspect it is worse than that. I suspect that it is a willing acceptance that such behaviour is the norm for Islam/Muslims, and that civilised behaviour is beyond them.
But then of course it is nothing to do with Islam (except that the Muslims get some advantage out of the situation, when it is).
We always knew that our politicians were two faced. With added grooming by Muslims, they now excel at the art.
Angemon says
Oh, the racism! The horrible, horrible racism!!!
pdxnag says
If it would be rude for this Mr. Doyle to ask this Muslim to explain Islam-inspired hate would it not also be rude for a pious Imam to ask this Muslim to explain Islam-inspired hate? (They don’t dare risk being declared an apostate by that Imam by opposing the mandated hate, except in lies to the dirty Kafir.)
The followup challenge would be to then ask them to reject that reason, even if it is – and obviously it is – Islam-inspired hate. That is, to reject Islam itself, and become an apostate – and advocate against Islam-inspired hate by advocating against Islam itself, as an apostate.
(There has got to be calculus-style-proof way to say that they are boxed in unless they declare themselves an apostate first, then to necessarily be rude. Unless they too submit to Islamic hate.)
Davegreybeard says
@David Scoltock
“There is elements of islam that are progressive and evolving to drop the more odious islamic beliefs, just as christians learned to drop the more odious parts of the bible.”
Quite a steaming pile you dropped in your quote above, but for those who seek the truth, let us dissect it, shall we?
Firstly, Islam will NEVER “evolve” to drop its more odious beliefs – hasn’t happened in the last 1400 years and it won’t happen in the next millennium or in the one after that.
ISLAM CANNOT BE CHANGED BY ANYONE AS COMMANDED BY ALLAH.
As Allah instructs from his Quran:
“Read whatever is revealed to you from the Book of your Lord. NO ONE CAN CHANGE HIS WORDS and you can never find any refuge other than Him.” 18:27
He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:” and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding. 3:7
“A Book of which the verses are made plain, an Arabic Quran for a people who know:” 41:3
“This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.” 5:3
Did you get that David? Allah says “NO ONE CAN CHANGE HIS WORDS!”
Allah also says it is a book “made plain” and it is not allegorical AND it is perfect.
So read the damn book David and believe what it says.
Secondly, your underhanded shot at Christians with the “odious parts of the Bible” is dishonest and reprehensible. What parts of the New Testament were discarded as such?
Try more reading and more reflection David – if you are capable of it.
simpleton1 says
Thank you, a very good comment.
I will use some of the points in a similiar debate on another blog.
Yes reading koran, hadiths, siras.
Sort of always seems that the koran is a basic encryption, (needless non chronological order) to waste people’s time in searching and refuting things.
Yet in this day and age one can collate it, subject the abrogation effects, the immutable setup, importance of jihad. and so on.
Davegreybeard says
Two excellent sites for “decoding” the Quran are:
“Koran at a glance”
“The Quranic Arabic Corpus”
You can often Google a part of a Quranic verse such as “beat disobedient wives” or “Paradise is promised to you Quran” and it will take you to the correct verse.
Fessitude says
“Arguably, Matthew Doyle was rude to confront a stranger, or even, in his later version, to ask her politely to explain something with which she had no involvement.”
Is a Muslim’s “involvement” in a terror attack the only reason why we should be concerned about their continued presence in our society such that we would have a good reason to ask them for an accounting? Or is there not another good reason, about which, ironically, Jihad Watch has been amassing a mountain of researched & reported data going back some 13 years; a reason tantamount to involvement on the part of any and all Muslims with any and all terror attacks (not to mention a whole host of other horrid atrocities (e.g., the rape sex-slave gangs of the UK, the anti-semitic hate crimes all over Europe, the female genital mutilation, etc.))?
Mirren10 says
‘Fessitude’, eh ? If you’re so wearied, why have you come back ? Kindly do not inflict any more ‘Paltalk’ shenanigans on us, or resurrect your vendetta against Angemon.
Angemon says
Mirren10 posted:
“If you’re so wearied, why have you come back ?”
I know, right? I think it’s because he’s what could accurately be described as a member of the alt-right – think someone who uses far-left tactics while holding conservative-ish ideas. One of the MOs of the far left consists on appropriating a movement, redefining its ideology and kicking out former members because they’re not ideologically pure enough. Which is what Fecklessboy has been trying to do for years, with all his claims about Mr. Spencer, Mrs. Geller, Mr. Fitzgerald, etc., being “softies” and “not getting” “it”. Can’t you smell the Hesperation? 😀
My guess is that he’s still clinging to the dream of changing the Counter-Jihad Movement into Anti-Muslim movement while retaining the name “Counter-Jihad”, much like black or muslim supremacists claim to be “civil rights activists”. Fits in with his wild dream of repeating “deport all muslims” over and over, hoping that somewhere down the line people will actually do it – in his mind it’s words that shape reality and not the other way around, so if you repeat something enough times it has to happen, no matter what.
Anyway, my rant is getting out of topic. Mr. Doyle stated that he believes muslims aren’t doing enough to speak out against terrorism. I say he’s wrong because he’s understating the case.
Mirren10 says
”I know, right? I think it’s because he’s what could accurately be described as a member of the alt-right – think someone who uses far-left tactics while holding conservative-ish ideas. One of the MOs of the far left consists on appropriating a movement, redefining its ideology and kicking out former members because they’re not ideologically pure enough.”
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head, Angemon.
Mirren10 says
Also, I don’t know if you’ve been to his blog, but if you go, you’ll see that although there are *extremely* few commenters, there is an ‘egghead’ who is a virulent anti-Semite, and anti-Israel. The ‘Hesp’ never seems to notice this, though.
I suppose if you only have one regular, it’s best not to take issue with him/her. 🙂
Angemon says
I went there two or three times, late 2014 or early 2015, to reply (here, not there) when he linked to “essays” decrying the “softies” and the “JW peanut gallery” (me, you, Wellington, gravenimage, mortimer, PJ, etc.), and I skimmed through his blog. I distinctly remember someone complaining about Jewish censors censoring his posts there. Several times. And these alleged Jewish censors were so bad at their work that they only censored the first time he posted something, not the second or third. From that description, it seems like the same person. And yeah, if that’s his only regular follower… let’s just say Tommy Robinson left the EDL when he realized he couldn’t keep racists and neo-nazis out.
gravenimage says
Mirren10 wrote:
Also, I don’t know if you’ve been to his blog, but if you go, you’ll see that although there are *extremely* few commenters, there is an ‘egghead’ who is a virulent anti-Semite, and anti-Israel. The ‘Hesp’ never seems to notice this, though.
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Yes–I was very disturbed by that.
I have had my disagreements with Hesperado (under his many guises) at times, but I have *never* known him to be antisemitic. Why he is letting this pass on his own blog without comment is appalling.
And “egghead” is not an occasional commenter on his site–she is, in fact, his most active poster.
Tom Murphy says
That is not what the police say was the reason for the arrest. THey said he was arrested “on suspicion of inciting racial hatred on social media”
Charli Main says
Notice this Muslim piece of shyte, when given the opportunity, did not express any shock horror at the attack made by Muslims, on defenceless Belgium civilians. Neither did this piece of Muslim shyte express any sorrow or sympathy for the people murdered by her filthy Muslim co- religionists.
Nothing to do with me, was her only response, as she slunk off.
Mark says
““I have a Muslim neighbour who got burgled, and I was one of the first people to go around to help.”
Yes those burglars could have done with a hand carrying the heavier stuff
(only joking)
Guest says
Leftist Molenbeeker waking up: http://www.politico.eu/article/molenbeek-broke-my-heart-radicalization-suburb-brussels-gentrification/
This is an interesting article.
Ren says
This is insane. People can not even talk about islamic terrorism. UK stiffles the freedom of speech for what? Muslim sensibility?
William says
You can’t confront Muslims, they get ‘offended’ see article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3507610/Elderly-man-asked-Muslim-woman-27-Sydney-train-station-terrorists-going.html
Jon says
Just another nail in the coffin so far as good relations with Muslims goes. To register a complaint and have the man arrested for that must make hundreds more people take a strong stance against all Muslims. It may not have been a good idea and he may have acted like a bit of a smartarse in a city not renowned for friendly interaction amongst strangers, but it’s hardly a hanging offence.
As for the woman’s reaction ‘nothing to do with me’ – well, that’s debatable. It can be argued that it definitely has something to do with her, as the war we’re raging is against people who claim to represent the fundamental interpretation of her religion. But maybe that’s for another day.
SpiritOf1683 says
We really are in trouble when the police have nothing better to do. Perhaps its about time they actually did what they’re paid to do, and make the streets safe.
Charli Main says
By their lights they are . The are clearing the streets of all those nasty, racist, bigoted , xenophobic Islamophobes. and making sure they are safe for all the ” poor terrified Muslims”
Question a Muslim about the activities of Muslim child rapists and Muslim mass murderers and expect ” the midnight knock ” from the defenders of islam——-THE BRITISH POLICE.
Troybeam says
Yes people citizens in UK cannot mention Islam without being arrested, Islam is trying to do that here in the USA, wake up defend our Constitution, protect our Constitution and lastly UPHOLD OUR CONSTITUTION, scream no to sharia law, demand it as well.
The more silent you are the better Islam like you for you are not standing in their way to make sharia law the only legal system world wide.
Jon says
Similar to the kind of laws in Scandinavia these days. People are being prosecuted in Sweden for questioning the immigration policies of the leftist government. In other words, don’t mention the Muslims!
David M says
Inciting racial hatred is the charge.
grace says
I have yet to read or see a report that says, “peace loving moslem dobs in a terrorist plotter”.
Rufolino says
What ? You can be arrested in England just for being rude about somebody ??
Of course not, don’t be silly ! This is England, it’s a free country ! You can even be rude about the Queen if you want to be ! …er… but this woman was a Moslem. Which makes the comment “hate speech” -and that’s illegal.
Just to get it straight: in England it’s now ILLEGAL to be rude about a Moslem ??
Yes.
(“If you want to know who has power over you, look for those that you may not criticise” -Voltaire.)
smart guy says
well in America we have a death squad run by the CIA to execute political dissidents (Hastings)
because in America we have a 1st amendment which makes it impossible for the ruling class to
prosecute journalists and political dissidents by means of the law. So the only alternative is to reduce
America to a third world dictatorship by means of the death squads, So Britons should look on the
bright side over there you only get arrested whereas in America you get executed.
When the ruling class cant have the law on its side it has to resort to violence,
gravenimage says
What the hell is the laughably named “smart guy” ranting about now?
Jon says
Similar story reported today in Sydney, but the Australian cops don’t see an issue –
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3507610/Elderly-man-asked-Muslim-woman-27-Sydney-train-station-terrorists-going.html?ito=social-facebook
Jon says
Maybe the poor man had just seen this CBN interview with the Belgian imam who asserted that Belgium will be a Muslim nation called Belgistan by 2030 –
http://www1.cbn.com/video/belgistan-sharia-showdown-looms-in-brussels
UNCLE VLADDI says
Why was it considered rude?!
As a member of the global crime-gang in good standing, she should have known to quote the Qur’an to him:
The Qur’an clearly and specifically tells muslims the Bible is wrong and also that all Christians and Jews are infidel criminals who worship a false god, and who must therefore be extorted, enslaved, and murdered for their “crime” of not being muslims:
Sura (Chapter) 47:1-4 of the Qur’an:
1: non-muslims are bad, (allegedly because they insult allah by dividing his nature*);
2: muslims are good, (allegedly because to them allah is the cause of everything*);
3: Allah made them both like that;
4: So muslims should chop off the non-muslims’ heads.
(“Allah could have done it himself, but he wants you muslims to do it for him”).
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It’s all right there, in context: islamic violence is entirely general doctrine-driven, and not at all specific grievance-driven.
(And chapter 47 isn’t by any stretch even remotely the worst, most violent chapter; that honor goes to either chapter 8 or 9).
So don’t go looking for what actions of yours may have offended or provoked them; they have been taught from birth that your existence alone offends their god, and so should offend them.
Muslims have been officiallly taught to believe that they are the “best of people” (Qur’an 3:110) and that unbelievers are the “most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6).
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*[Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers! (3:151)].
gravenimage says
UK man arrested for asking Muslim woman to “explain Brussels”
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This is what it’s come to…