About our free speech event in Garland, Texas last May, which was intended to be a stand for free speech against violent intimidation, Donald Trump said: “I watched Pam earlier, and it really looks like she’s just taunting everybody. What is she doing drawing Muhammad? I mean it’s disgusting. Isn’t there something else they could be doing? Drawing Muhammad?…They can’t do something else? They have to be in the middle of Texas doing something on Muhammad and insulting everybody? What is she doing? Why is she doing it? It’s probably very risky for her — I don’t know, maybe she likes risk? But what the hell is she doing?”
And now, after Leftist fascist thugs forcibly shut down one of his events in Chicago last night, Trump’s Republican opponents, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and John Kasich, are effectively saying, Well, he had it coming, he brought it on himself, just as Trump did of Pamela Geller after Garland.
Is there no candidate who understands the importance of the freedom of speech? Rubio comes closest to articulating it below, but then shows he doesn’t understand it himself. He says: “Whether you disagree with someone or what he’s about to say…you don’t have a right to take away the First Amendment right of people to speak freely.” But then he says, “I think he bears some responsibility for the general tone.” So the thugs shut down the Trump rally, and it is at least partially Trump’s fault, because he told people (obviously facetiously) to beat up people who were trying to disrupt his events.
No one should call for any kind of violence, even jokingly, in these overheated times, but the idea that the Leftists shut down Trump’s rally because he said that is ridiculous. Do Rubio, Cruz and Kasich think that the Leftists who shut down Trump’s rally don’t think of them in much the same way they think of Trump — as “racists” and “bigots” who must be violently opposed? Maybe they do, because their rallies haven’t been shut down. But that’s coming, and that day is coming faster now that the three of them have tacitly encouraged the rioters by claiming that Trump is at least partially responsible for what they did.
In that scenario, you see, it becomes incumbent upon Trump not to say anything that Leftist thugs might dislike, or he will bear partial responsibility for what they do. Cruz, Rubio and Kasich, of course, will also have to be careful not to “create an environment” that might force the Left-fascists to shut them down as well. But unless they become clones of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, they will inevitably end up creating that “environment” anyway, despite their being more decorous and careful than Trump. And then they will be responsible for what they get, won’t they?
The simple principle has been utterly forgotten, but it is nonetheless still true: no one bears responsibility for anyone else’s actions, unless that person is being coerced. No matter what he has said, Donald Trump didn’t force the Leftists to shut him down, and he bears no responsibility for doing so or for “creating an environment” in which these kinds of things happen. The only people responsible are the Leftist thugs themselves. They could have reacted in any number of other ways to what Donald Trump has said and advocated, just as Muslims don’t have to riot and kill when they see cartoons of Muhammad, and if they choose to do so, they alone bear the responsibility for their actions.
Neither Trump, nor Cruz, nor Rubio, nor Kasich seem to get this elementary point. Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders? Forget it. It should be a basic requirement that someone who wants to be the President of the United States should understand the importance of the freedom of speech and be determined to defend it. Instead, we have now six candidates who have all shown that they are willing to sacrifice it under certain circumstances, and acquiesce to a tyranny of the violent. These are dark days indeed, and it’s only going to get worse.
“Protesters cheer when Trump rally canceled, jeer supporters, Associated Press, March 12, 2016:
CHICAGO (AP) — Hundreds of jubilant protesters chanted victory cries and jeered at glum Donald Trump supporters as they filed out of an auditorium where the Republican presidential candidate abruptly canceled a campaign rally Friday night.
Outside, the tenor of hourslong protests shifted when one protester passed on word of the cancellation through a megaphone on the campus of the ethnically diverse University of Illinois at Chicago. The crowd roared in delight and began chanting: “We stopped Trump! We stopped Trump!”
The protesters closed in on the building, obstructing most of the exits just as Trump supporters began filing out. The Trump supporters had little choice but to push through the anti-Trump crowds that parted only slightly, yelling, “Racists go home!”…
“Cruz, Rubio and Kasich criticize Trump for creating ‘environment’ for Chicago protest,” by David Weigel, Washington Post, March 11, 2016:
…Rubio, who is camped out in his home state in advance of the March 15 primary, told Megyn Kelly of Fox News that Trump was finding out that his “words have real consequences.” But roughly half of Rubio’s analysis was a criticism of the political left. After stating his appreciation for Chicago’s police, Rubio said that the protests needed to be put in contest [sic].
“This is Chicago, protesters are an industry,” he said. “It is clear, just from watching some of these images, that this was an organized effort, an orchestrated effort, from groups that wanted to disrupt this event, and Chicago is a hub for that sort of activity. I would also say that people have a right, whether you disagree with someone or what he’s about to say – and I certainly disagree with Donald Trump on many things, it’s why I’m running against him for president – you don’t have a right to take away the First Amendment right of people to speak freely. I think you’ve seen some of this on college campuses recently. There was an article, not long ago I think, that [conservative commentator] Ben Shapiro tried to speak on a campus, and they basically shut him down. So I think this is crossing over into the broader society, and it’s problematic.”
With that said, Rubio criticized Trump for his well-documented mockery of the people who interrupted his rallies.
“I wouldn’t say Mr. Trump is responsible for the events of tonight,” said Rubio, “but he is most certainly, in other events, has in the past used some pretty rough language, saying in the good old days we used to beat these people up, or I’ll pay your legal bills if you rough them up. So I think he bears some responsibility for the general tone.”
As Rubio was wrapping up, Cruz was standing outside a dinner event in Rolling Meadows, Ill., for an impromptu press conference. He took a harsher tone, significantly stepping up what he’d said to radio host Hugh Hewitt earlier that night.
“The responsibility for that lies with protesters, who took violence into their own hands. But in any campaign, responsibility starts at the top. Any candidate is responsible for the culture of a campaign. And when you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have a campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discord,” Cruz said, citing an event in Florida that had already led to a criminal complaint, but not heretofore been mentioned by a rival candidate….
Asked if Trump should have gone ahead with the rally, Cruz paused for a moment, then said the decision should have been based on public safety.
“But I think a campaign bears responsibility for creating an environment when the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face,” said Cruz. “The predictable consequence of that is that it escalates, and today is unlikely to be the last such instance. We saw, earlier today, in St. Louis, over 30 arrested. That’s not how our politics should occur. You know, the city of Chicago in 1968 saw some ugly days, when politics descended into hatred and incivility and even violence. It is my hope that in 2016 we can appeal to our better angels, to avoid going down that road once again.”…
Ohio Gov. John Kasich, whose scheduled MSNBC town hall was pre-empted by the Chicago chaos, issued a statement late Friday night that pinned the blame on Trump himself.
“Tonight the seeds of division that Donald Trump has been sowing this whole campaign finally bore fruit, and it was ugly,” said Kasich. “Some let their opposition to his views slip beyond protest into violence, but we can never let that happen. I urge people to resist that temptation and rise to a higher level….

Angemon says
Karma’s a bitch, ain’t it?
Dumbass. What would he suggest, giving them the stage a la Bernie Sanders? No, hecklers deserve to be mocked.
And who’s at the top of the protesters who started the violence? Trump? I think not.
A Democrat? Gee, could he have some sort of agenda?…
Mark Swan says
Let’s See A Leftist Mayor Who Will Not Address Urban Violence In His City…An Entire
City That Is Saturated With Lawless Events…A Trio of losers Who Won’t Back The
Republican’s Only Candidate…Bad Mouthing Not Only Mr. Trump…But In Effect The
Multi-Millions of Supporters and Rising…Democrats Doing The Pee Pee Dance With
Loathsome Grins On There Face…CAIR Praising Allah…Thousands of Supporters
Humiliated and Depressed…This Looks Like Millions of More votes For Mr. Trump
To Me…Time For America to Wake-UP…And Make A Choice.
Polk1970 says
There was a very visible Jihadi presence there as 2 “Middle Eastern” men were everywhere on TV with Khafiya and Palestinian “scarf”,organizing Muslims there.
George Soros’ “MoveOn.org” was a major organizer and funder of this outrage in Chicago
And his partner is a former gang leader and terrorist organization supporter,,Cong. Luis”:The Little Pipsquece” Guitierrez
This is conduct unbecoming of a Member of Congress.
Either he’s a comgressman or a Radical Community Organizer,but he should NOT be allowed to be both
Mark Swan says
Yes Mr. Trump Must demand that where ever He holds a Rally that the
local Government there is willing to do their job in keeping the peace.
I think these guys are trying to incite violence to disrupt His campaign.
It is probably organized and funded by some really big bad people.
I heard the President mumbling something in line with Mrs. Clinton’s
taunts about asking for trouble…it is in His best interest to put a stop
to it and now…but He may be complicit…that would be inexcusable.
Jordan says
Bill Ayers was reported to be outside the arena at the time very organize coalition of professional protester representing every form of free speech. Suppresionists
Dean says
It is so sad and idiotic when opponents of Trump or anything they disapprove use a reference to the Nazis. Is it an intentional or clueless misrepresentation of history? The Chicago, black lives matter, and everyday college suppression of the free speech they disapprove that is historically the closest parallel to the Nazis. The brown shirts I refer to were specifically young Nazis that used this tactic to intimidate and suppress the free speech of their political opponents. It was so bad and effective, since it was aided by law enforcement, that we hear very little about the German opposition to Hitler. It is an all too common tactic of the left wing totalitarians to smear their opposition with invectives that factually apply to themselves. I don’t like any of the Republican candidates but would vote for any of them over anything the Democrats might offer. And if the party insiders and the other candidates continue with this attack on Trump, and particularly their shameful use of these attacks on his free speech by blaming him for this assault on his free speech, I will have no alternative except to get real drunk and vote for him.
Judi says
I’m surprised the “Free Palestine” mob weren’t out in full force waving their palestinian and al Qaeda flags and chanting “Death to Israel”.
Shane says
Robert is right that this was a left wing protest led by the America-hating Soros and Bernie Sanders supporters. There were far more Trump supporters there, but the TV networks exaggerated how many protesters were there. You had La Raza supremacist, Black LIES Matter supremacists, Sanders Socialists and Communist supporters, and Muslim supremacists among the protesters. These people are the leaders of the Democrat party which should show everybody that the Dem party is now controlled by the America-hating left.
Sanders and Clinton both promised to not deport anyone except for murderers and terrorists! We must do our best to elect the GOP Presidential candidate and give him a GOP-controlled Congress so that our government will secure the borders, take the fight to Islamic jihad, and deport illegal alien criminals.
Oliver says
I agree– IF POSSIBLE- GO TO NEWSMAX–SATURDAY MARCH 12, 2016- SEE THE INTERVIEW WITH GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE.
HE:
COMES, WHILE BEING POLITE- (IN MY VIEW) CLOSE TO RIPPING CRUZ A NEW ASSHOLE.
AND FEELS THAT TRUMP HAS NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR.
He does preface his comment,s that he “knows all of the candidates”.
BUT CLEARLY STATES WHY HE THINKS TRUMP IS WINNING.
AND, I THINK THAT HE IS RIGHT.
Dean says
Good for Mike H., I have just been watching videos of Rubio and Cruz talking like they could back out of their pledges that everybody targeted at Trump to support whoever wins the nomination, and all of it by taking the position that his remarks are responsible for the invasions of his rallies. I am seldom surprised in politics but these orchestrated attacks on Trump rallies, with Chicago being only the worst, are revealing this additional duplicity of these candidates. Their reaction is the surprise, not the orchestrated invasions. Makes one wonder just how much Cruz has been posing, with the help of alienating some of the establishment, as an outsider. If I was to support anyone for his economic policies it would be Cruz but he is rapidly losing my consideration.
Oliver says
A non -partisan think tank –using a compute model for analysis of tax policies-of the 6 9at the time-it included Dr. carson)- would do for the economy.
Mr. Trump’s would increase full time or equivalent 5.3 million more jobs.
Cruz-about half of that. And Cruz was 2nd amongst the 6. (Sanders was last, Clinton jsut a smidgen ahead).
AND CRUZ IS SUCH AN UPSTANDING PERSON-LIKE IOWA ( DR. CARSON DROPPED OUT LETTER); HAWAII WHERE HE DID OTHER DIRTY TRICKS; ETC.
He, my view, a scumbag.
NOT TO MENTION LAWSUITS BECAUSE HE WAS BORN IN CANADA.
And his father-whom he took along to campaign for him-lived in the US for decades, married to an American citizen, but didn’t bother to become one until about 2005
Dean says
The think tank needs to integrate over 2 millennia of history regarding the unintended consequences of tariffs, or the think tank needs to re-think the negative impacts of protective tariffs relative to this forever popular process of picking some winners while being clueless about who might lose, and it is not the foreign producers. How Republicans claim do defend individual liberty while penalizing the purchasing choices of fellow Americans exposes a serious inconsistency. IF you isolate your analysis on tax policies without considering other economic policy, Trump would be fine just as I would be more supportive if he would just cut the usual protectionist populism.
Rob Porter says
Mark,
probably the most disgraceful statement here was from John Kasish, but then neither Cruz nor Rubio show much spine. Robert Spencer does a good job of putting this in perspective.
The fact is, to his opponents whether Republican or Democrat, in effect Trump should not have spoken about Muslim violence and putting a temporary ban on Muslims entering the U.S.; he shouldn’t have spoken against illegal immigrants and he should not have spoken about building a wall across the southern border because – to the weak-kneed and politically correct – those things are inciteful!
Now just watch Rubio, Cruz and Kasich avoid discussing these important but thorny issues – and in the process surrender to the left-wing thugs.
In fact I hope that Trump does not let up on those issues. However, I also hope he comes to recognize his own mistake and apologizes to Pamela Geller for his post-Garland Mohammad cartoon remarks.
Meanwhile the disgusting CNN, like Barack Obama, does it’s best to vilify Trump. All credit to Trump this morning when responding to Obama’s hypocritical condemnation of Trump as a divider. To Wolf Blitzer, Trump bluntly responded that Obama is the worst divider president the country has ever seen. I couldn’t fault him for chutzpah.
Oliver says
Don, I THINK that you misinterpreted Rob.
WHAT ROB IS SAYING-as i read it– THE POLITICIANS ARE SAYING THAT TRUMP SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID THESE THINGS.
Not that Trump said it- the politicians are saying that eh shouldn’t have. I think Rob is supporting Trump’s statements.
I know i voted (early) for Trump, and most people I know did or will vote for him. A shame I am not in Illinois, so I could vote multiple times.
Mark Swan says
Rubio and Cruz…Got Him Muddled…Oliver…Don Spilman is a good egg…
I am Sure If He reads It again He will agree with It…I have to do it sometimes.
We all do.
Mark Swan says
You Are Right Don…It Looses A Lot In Translation…Sorry I Put My Nose In It.
Custos Custodum says
Of course, this massive, carefully planned disruption through organized violence just happened to occur in Barry’s old bailiwick of Chicago where Barry ally Rahm Emmanuel is currently mayor.
Mark Swan says
Of course
gungadin says
As soon as I heard that Trump was in Chicago, I knew it was just a matter of time that the proverbial YOU KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HIT THE FAN”…..
I remember 68 – 69 Chicago; I think this is just the tip of the iceberg….TRUMP 2016
Oliver says
AND ORCHESTRATED BY THAT GREAT AMERICAN PATRIOT; AND HUMANITARIAN ( WORDS FROM ‘ THAT ” THROUGH ” HUMANITARIAN”- SARC-IN CASE SOMEONE DOESN’T REALIZE IT) GEORGE SOROS AND HIS MOVEON.ORG
GOOD FRIENDS OF HUSSEIN OBAMA
Jay Boo says
Exactly
Muslim Stealth Jihad
Hillary meanwhile is pumping out — Race Baiting on all the black audience radio srations.
Hillary is trying to instigate a bloodbath because she knows she could never hide her stink and get elected without a massive distraction to hide all her long list of crimes.
Buy lots of ammo now before things get really ugly if you wish to defend yourself and family to survive.
Carolyne says
I believe that Obama is waiting to instigate some sort of a riot in order to declare Martial Law and cancel the election in November all together. What better place to start it than Chicago? Who better to organize it that Soros’ “Move On” people? Those Democrats and Republicans who support this thuggery will wake up to find that they won’t be elected Nobody will.
Ralph Statum says
Maggie Sulliven says
Cruz’s decision to blame Trump for the violence and actions of paid, liberal thugs/protesters in Chicago is unconscionable. Ted Cruz should have used this opportunity to take a stand for free speech. Instead, he sides with the protesters and lies about Trump saying he encourages violence.” Chicago had nothing to do with pro/anti-Trump folks. This was a riot, not a protest. This anarchist rioting was the work of George Soros’ MoveOn.org, Black Lives Matter, F**k Yo Flag, Occupy (Everything), Islamic Invasion (refugees), and domestic terrorist Bill Ayers out running his mouth.
This was a large scale demonstration of left-wing terrorism coalescing into one location and emblematic of the bigger problem we have on our hands—hatred of this country from within, ginned up by the powers that be in DC, their media puppets, and their pocket-lining special interest lobbyists, and domestic terrorist friends. This was not a step in the right direction for Ted Cruz. It will be interesting to see if he can recover.
Source: After Cruz Blamed Trump For Chicago Chaos, Cops & NRA Gave Him Bad News
After Cruz Blamed Trump For Chicago Chaos, Cops & NR…
Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz was quick to lay the blame for the chaos seen in Chicago directly on Donald Trump. After Trump’s Chicago rally was cancelled Friday…
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TamIAm says
Thank-you for this post, Robert Spencer! I was thinking the same thing and was very disappointed in the GOP candidates who blamed Trump for his rally getting shut down by organized thugs! Especially Cruz should have stood by Trump in this incidence because he claims to be and runs as a consistent constitutional conservative! Given Trump’s response to the Motoons, it was ironic that he is now facing a similar situation to what Pamela (and yourself) faced in Garland, now it’s his freedom of expression that is being shut down by violent intimidation and him being blamed for it, who will defend 1A? It is very disturbing!
Mark Swan says
He’s In The Real School Now Isn’t He.
Mark Swan says
Rubio and Cruz have been taking money anywhere They can get it…and It Shows.
Raymond of Canada says
Blessed is the man though not seeing still believes. Maybe Trump will realize now what is happening in America we must stand up to it and rightly put the blame where it belongs . . . to the bully and intolerate and self-pedestaled left.
ABDELKADER HAMDAOUI says
Had it been a protest in a Clinton, Cruz, Rubio or Sanders Chicago rally the Media would have a field day condemning the protesters. Calling them Nazis even.
mortimer says
Agree with A.H. That is a fair observation. However, jihadism is supported by the Left because they misapprehend jihad as a form of ‘people’s liberation struggle’.
The Left do not understand freedom of expression because they presently have it, but hypocritically and thoughtlessly want to remove it from their opponents.
The Left appear clueless about freedom of expression.
Cruz deserves ONE HALF of a cheer.
Keith says
I don’t think their choice to remove freedom of speech and expression from their opponents is in any way thoughtless. Very thoroughly thought out would be more like it and definately hypocritical as you say.
Mark Swan says
You Got that Right ABDELKADER HAMDAOUI
DFD says
ABDELKADER HAMDAOUI says: “…Calling them Nazis even.”
Worse, calling them Europeans, or God forbid – Germans!
Sorry, just couldn’t help myself. You know, looking at this from a European point of view, people: You should see how European “Elections” (we still call ’em that, for the time being) are being managed, manipulated and disturbed. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet. But it appears, you are getting there. Or here?
I wonder, if Trump wins, will a recount be demanded?
Oliver says
I think ONLY A CLINTON OR SANDERS. The others- totally ignore it.
Lynn says
Keep speaking the truth Donald. I hope Carson can help him tone it some but stay on topic. CAIR having it’s rugs rolled tight is it’s problem. Sharia is not compatible with our Constitution.
A lot of the things people are complaining about were uttered mostly as jokes or off hand comments about happenings at the moment. He’s venting and nothing more. He conceal carries, he’s strong. He’s 67 and never done anything to anybody yet. He’s not encouraging any violence. The media, GOP elite and the Left are though…
gungadin says
You know what’s “funny” about all this stuff? I’m a guy pushing 80. I lived through a time where there were jokes that poked fun at Poles, Italians, Blacks, Irish, Dumb Blonde jokes etc. ….u name it SOMEONE had a joke and a jab at everyone and anybody……then came political “correctness” and the whole world has been turned super sensitive…..and this is where it has brought us….Wet behind the ears college kids who cant find their ass with both hands who make demands of whatever cause it might be vogue for the day….and commies or commie lovers in every dark closet, dolling out the money to promote turmoil…. .
Nealstar says
gungadin,
I’m a few years behind you at 70 and have seen and heard all those jokes, most of which were really pretty harmless and good natured. Political Correctness is just a warm and fuzzy name for Cultural Marxism. If the country hadn’t been completely pu$$ified by the left over the past 50-60 years we wouldn’t be where we are now and we’re never going to get back to where we were.
John Stefan Obeda says
Fellas, Gungadin and Nealstare, let me say: and I’m 86 who was born in good ole Chicago where men used to dance with their wives, as the song goes, it seems to me that those were days when the people of the nation had common-sense, the days of general Patton, the days when people knew right from wrong and those in authority knew how to discipline the transgressors in the schools and in the streets and the days when Islam was no problem here and people went to Sunday School and to church and wee cracked any kind of a joke and laughed and shook hands. I miss those days. Let us pray that God will bless the people in such a manner that they, having the right attitudes of obedience to God, God, then, will be able to bless America again as He has blessed the people in the past. Otherwise, God may be planning to use Islam by which to punish us. God forbid.
Mark Swan says
gungadin…Nealstar…John Stefan Obeda…You Kids Keep Commenting…We Need
Your Perspective…Wisdom…and Support…Excellent Comments All Three…What A
Team…Looking Good!
Tom_S says
Political speech is now circumscribed by those who are willing to bring violence as argument. Whomever is nominated by Republican LLC, will reap what was sown.
Angemon says
MP posted:
“I do not see how Rubio Cruz or anybody can blame Trump ”
I think they see it as advantageous to their campaign. It’s a rubbish belief, of course – the sort of people they’re trying to cater to (people who think Trump is a bigoted racist) are not Republican voters to begin with.
Mark Swan says
That’s Right
WorkingClassPost says
Without being alarmist, and this may all just fizzle out, this is a real threat to everything that we regard as Western, and Democratic, should this be repeated in other states.
They called the Trumpkins racist and bigoted, but it looked to me that the disrupters were the ones spoiling for, and prepared to, fight.
Trump may now start to ‘get’ what Garland was all about, but unless he becomes President, that may count for nothing, and whoever wins will look back on this as a useful distraction and even credit the organized left with effectively ending Mr T’s campaign, because it looks now like the Left and establishment Right, are united against him, and let’s not forget the islamics. It also now is clear why the Left and islam get on so well together, both ‘extremist’ and ‘moderate’ of each and either.
But what a sorry state of affairs.
I mentioned before about how the BBC’s response delighted in the disruption, as if a KKK meeting had been shut down.
Of course, they also cheered when Syria descended into chaos, and when the Ukraine became ungovernable by it’s elected representatives, so what else should we expect, you may ask?
Let’s hope this does not continue throughout the campaign, because America could end up very divided by the time November 8th. comes around, and we all know whose interests that would serve.
Pong says
I think you are a bit late. America is divided. It has been divided for a long time. Immigration and welfare are the most important factors in this process. It divides people along the most important lines: culturally and financially. History has proven that no country can sustain itself with high level of immigration and welfare. The next president will have to address those issues and make them a priority. Immigration has to be very selective and reduced drastically. Welfare system must be reformed, with some of the groups cut off completely from the system. It will require an exceptional person to do that.
WorkingClassPost says
The sort of division I meant was open and organized hostility, with gangs of both sides out in force and Guardsmen required to keep the ‘peace’.
Hopefully you’re not there yet.
CogitoErgoSum says
At any moment President Obama will tell us, “This is not who we are.” Won’t you, Mr. President? Mr. President?
Carolyne says
Try a gold course. You’ll find him there.
W.Groeneveld@ chello.nl says
“left fascists”is a “contradictio in terminis”!
Robert Spencer says
It most certainly is not.
Rod Patrick says
LEFT = FASCISM
You need an Authoritarian Rule to ensure that the Government dictates everything to its citizen.
Liberalism is fascism. They just don’t know it yet, because they are ignorant.
Custos Custodum says
No, it is a tautology.
Wellington says
No, it’s not a contradiction. Read Jonah Goldberg’s work, “Liberal Fascism,” which reached #1 on The New York Times Best Seller list, for further confirmation here. As for it being a tautological term, as Custos Custodum averred, it is arguable that it is today, what with much of modern liberalism having descended into radical territory, but the liberals of old, of the Truman and Attlee variety, not many of whom are left anymore it seems, were definitely not fascistic.
vlparker says
Actually, the fascists have always been on the left. The Nazis were left wingers who believed in government control of the press, socialized medicine, gun control and government control of industry, all of which are left wing totalitarian practices.
It’s kind of hard to be a fascist when you believe in limited government and freedom. They are polar opposites.
Wellington says
Nazism incorporated both left-wing and right-wing elements. All one need do is read the 25 points program of Nazism issued in February of 1920 for confirmation here. Until the Night of the Long Knives (June 30th, 1934), when Hitler, already in power as Chancellor, had the leftist elements of Nazism simply murdered (e.g., Ernst Rohm)——-and others as well (e.g., Schleicher), Nazism, truly muddled in ideology as it was muddled all around, had a fight within itself as to left versus right, but after mid-1934 Nazism was purely Far Right wing. By now one knows this or should know it.
Mae says
RUBBISH! 1934 Nazism was leftwing, big government controlling/regulating industry just like it was in 1920. #25 explicitly makes this clear.
The program of the NSDAP
The program is the political foundation of the NSDAP and accordingly the primary political law of the State. It has been made brief and clear intentionally.
All legal precepts must be applied in the spirit of the party program.
Since the taking over of control, the Fuehrer has succeeded in the realization of essential portions of the Party program from the fundamentals to the detail.
The Party Program of the NSDAP was proclaimed on the 24 February 1920 by Adolf Hitler at the first large Party gathering in Munich and since that day has remained unaltered. Within the national socialist philosophy is summarized in 25 points:
1. We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.
2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.
4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.
5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.
7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since the 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.
9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:
11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.
12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.
25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
vlparker says
Rohm and the SA leaned towards Communism which believed in a classless society (except, of course, for the leaders) and supported labor. The Nazis were fascists who believed in a top down class structure. They also believed that the individual’s role in society was to promote the glory of the state. Both were left wing totalitarians.
DFD says
Mae says: “….4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race….”
After the Nazis gained power they introduced a race-law: Any German had to prove that he/she had at least an Aryan grandmother – if not….
There was a joke: “Little red riding hood meets the big bad wolf at night in the forest. Wolf: “Red riding hood! What are you doing here, at night and all alone?” Hood: “Looking for my grandmother.” Wolf: “Don’t we all these days, don’t we all…”
You told jokes such as these only to your closest and *most* trusted friends, otherwise you ended up with the ‘if not….’
Wellington says
Rubbish to you, Mae. Some of those points are right-wing, like the emphasis again and again on race, nationalism and having a large middle class.. In any case, after the Night of the Long Knives (and even before Hitler achieved the Chancellorship in January of 1933), he was cozying up to businessmen and had no problem with them making huge profits and this isn’t left-wing at all..
Hitler simply ignored many of those 25 points whenever he wanted to. I put very little emphasis on those points and look at the reality of Nazi Germany and certainly post-June 30th 1934 it was almost pure right-wing. The fact that Hitler in the Night of the Night Knives made a special point of getting rid of leftists in the Nazi Party (e.g., Rohm) only further confirms my overall contention here.
Dean says
The division of right wing and left wing is a false dichotomy. The communist and Nazis (fascist) are two sides of the same coin which is totalitarianism. The authoritarians that believe it is their right to control the lives of others will use any system to achieve their goal of personal power through the government where they will have the license to use that power. In opposition to the authoritarian/totalitarian tendencies in most men the founders attempted to establish a limited government. When a man uses his own talents to create a surplus of goods that can be used to trade for other goods and services, it is the ultimate function of freedom. Thus we call it free trade and the word capitalism was developed by those that were critical of it. Whether Lenin stole property to exercise power or Hitler used his political power to control the use of property by others, the results are the same which is death and destruction. The only valuable distinction between cultures and economic systems is based on authoritarianism leading to totalitarianism versus strictly enforced rights of property, free speech, religious freedom and the right to bear arms to protect those rights. It always comes down to autonomous and independent individuals versus the authoritarians that want to invade those rights in any way available to them and by any means.
Wellington says
Dean: I don’t think it is a false dichotomy. While Nazism and Marxism are both totalitarian ideologies (here we agree), one is Far Right as practiced by Hitler and the other is Far Left as practiced by Stalin. Huge economic differences alone (e.g., the profit motive allowed in Nazism but not in Marxism) distinguish Nazism as practiced and Marxism as practiced. Add in matters like Nazism’s excessive nationalism which pure Marxism disdains as well as racial theories and you have more differences.
Let me put it another way. If Nazism at least after the Night of the Long Knives isn’t Far Right, what would be? If Communism under Stalin isn’t Far Left, what would be? Are you actually saying that the terms “Far Right” and “Far Left” have no meaning at all? If you are, I vigorously disagree. I see no false dichotomy even though both of these heinous ideologies, like Islam, are totalitarian and inimical to liberty.
Dean says
By accepting that Stalin is far left and Hitler is far right you are just reaffirming that you like most people struggle with understanding the conflict between individual freedom and all its totalitarian opponents. You started out by saying that you disagreed that left and right is a false dichotomy by citing it as proof that it isn’t. When Stalin entered into the Warsaw Pact with Hitler, why did so many American communists see the light and renounce communism. The Commie and Nazi struggle was for control and Stalin wanted a brief respite. Hitler was the supremacist that couldn’t wait to try to prove it and Nazi stands for national socialist party. The only difference is who owns the title to property. Both systems exercise total control over it. If these 2 systems are so incompatible, why do progressives move so comfortably from one to the other to achieve their totalitarian goals?
Fessitude says
Dean’s right and Mae’s right and Wellington is wrong. Dean’s point is good, Nazism/”Fascism” and Communism are just two sides of the same coin, like Sunni/Shia. Also, the construct that Nazism/”Fascism” are “right wing” is itself a clever (and pretty successful) Disinformation myth created by the Communists and believed by their Useful Idiots many who remain to this day in the way they see things.
Wellington says
If I’m wrong about Nazism being Far Right, never mind its support of a large middle class (which is not left-wing at all), never mind it’s emphasis on nationalism (which a pure Marxist from Marx and Engels onwards abhorred—–as evidenced by the Communist Manifesto published in 1848 detailed), never mind its complete approbation of huge profits by German businessmen by the thousands, something anathema to the Far Left, then could you possibly name ANY REGIME in history which was Far Right? Yeah, give it a shot.
Frankly, I think all those disagreeing with me that Nazism was a Far Right regime have focused WAY TOO MUCH on the fact that both the Far Left and the Far Right are enemies of freedom. Indeed, both are, but there are still differences and my objections to Nazism being classed as Far Left have still not been answered in the least. Why not try at least. to do so And again, if Hitler’s regime after the Night of the Long Knives was not a Far Right regime, please name an example or two of a Far Right regime.
Your turn. And please no more pointing out that both the Stalin type and the Hitler type shut down freedom. Of course such do, WHETHER Far Left or Far Right.
Fessitude says
“it’s [Nazism’s] emphasis on nationalism (which a pure Marxist from Marx and Engels onwards abhorred”
“True, it is a fixed idea with the French that the Rhine is their property, but to this arrogant demand the only reply worthy of the German nation is Arndt’s: “Give back Alsace and Lorraine”. For I am of the opinion, perhaps in contrast to many whose standpoint I share in other respects, that the reconquest of the German-speaking left bank of the Rhine is a matter of national honour, and that the Germanisation of a disloyal Holland and of Belgium is a political necessity for us. Shall we let the German nationality be completely suppressed in these countries, while the Slavs are rising ever more powerfully in the East?”
“This is our calling, that we shall become the templars of this Grail, gird the sword round our loins for its sake and stake our lives joyfully in the last, holy war which will be followed by the thousand-year reign of freedom.”
-Friedrich Engels
Also, if Nazism was so fueled by nationalism why would it expand beyond its nation and try to conquer the whole world? Hitler’s dream of conquering the whole world was an internationalist nationalism or a nationalist internationalism; it wasn’t a mere nationalism. I don’t think history has ever seen an actual “right wing” totalitarian (just those made up by Communist Disinformation to demonize their enemies).
Loren W says
Also Cointelpro. .kill careers…steal intellectual property…Ah…Human Trafficking..
Polk1970 says
Oh no,it’s not a contradiction.
Nazism ,by name,”National SOCIALIST German Workers Party” is LEFT
gravenimage says
Many hard Leftists behave like Fascists.
Mark Swan says
Any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, repression of all opposition, and extreme adherence…is Bad News…Left or Right…Right or Left.
Yes The Leftists In America Are Fascist and Totalitarian…Way Out In Left Field For Americans.
Greyhound Fancier says
Read “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg. The fascists believed in socialism in one country, the communists that socialism must be international (just as they had the Comintern). That was the difference.
Someone languishing in Auschwitz and someone languishing in the Gulag might have some difficulty with making a distinction between the two systems.
Dean says
Communism can be distinguished from fascism in many ways but it is ridiculous to suggest they are on opposite ends of the full political/ideological spectrum. Accepting this false dichotomy leads to endless qualifications and explanations that serve no practical value except to confuse the literate and confound those that are not. The spectrum starts with autonomous and free individuals on one end and moves out from there into systems that violate his autonomy in various ways by various means until he is a slave. A person was a slightly less enslaved under fascism and totally enslaved under communism. Rand’s distinction was that communism is murder and socialism is suicide. Nazi stands for national socialism and China seems to be much the same under communist leadership. Europe has just been killing themselves more slowly but it always ends the same with death.
Mark Swan says
Reply To…Don Spilman says…March 14, 2016 at 3:44 pm
ABRAHAM LINCOLN
“And, insomuch as we know that by His Divine Law nations, like individuals, are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of civil war which now desolates the land may be but a punishment inflicted upon us for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole people? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven; we have been preserved these many years in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth and power, as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten GOD. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!”
General McArthur, on the battleship USS Missouri, for Japan’s Surrender at the end of WWII, after the United States used Atomic Weapons on Japan…beginning the Atomic Era: 1945
“Military alliances, balances of powers, leagues of nations, all in turn failed, leaving the only path to be the way of the crucible of war. The utter destructiveness of war now blocks out this alternative. We have had our last chance. If we will not devise some greater and more equitable system, our Armageddon will be at our door. The problem basically is theological and involves a spiritual recrudescence (renewal) and improvement of human character that will synchronize with our almost matchless advances in science, art, literature and all material and cultural developments of the past two thousand years. It must be of the spirit if we are to save the flesh.”
Dexter L. wilson says
So much stupidity. So much lack of knowledge. Just like any other “Foreign Country” it is time to drop leaflets from planes as to what the Koran says about killing Jews and Christians. There is a way to minister to Muslims using the Koran. it is called the Camelmethod and can be found at camelmethod.com
Adrian says
Hey, why not blame Hillary (and Bill) for creating a “toxic climate” of lying and cover-ups??
And why not blame Obama for creating a “toxic climate” of divisive race and class baiting??
the US media is the most dishonest operation out there.
Myxlplik says
Why not? Easy, because people on the right tend towards law and order, not thuggery and violence, so they don’t need appeasing by those in power or the media.
Adrian says
Rubio is a petulant establishment apparatchik who is out of the race but is still trying to derail Trump to please his handlers….
Cruz quickly jumped aboard on the “blame Trump” whining this morning, because he is also trailing Trump…
Meanwhile, more and more clear thinking people will pledge for Trump.
November will be a blow-out for President Trump.
Myxlplik says
Great campaign plug for Trump, and I’m sure a lot of swing voters who agree on the border, illegal immigration, and the anti Jiahd message of Trump realize the big trouble this nation is in as these thugs run riot, effectively proving Trumps point on the anarchy at the boarder, violent Islamic thuggery and the deleterious effects this is having on out society.
Our country would be a better place with legal immigration, and no Muslim’s …. until we figure out where all their hate is coming from 😉
Waiting for all of the small handed Leftists to show up at Rubios house though.
Hope says
There is nothing remaining on the Left but hatred and intolerance, and a strong desire for a totalitarian State that entirely subjugates the First and Second Amendments of the Constitution. The party that spawned JFK has long ceased to exist, replaced by radicals who despise America and everything it stands for. These crackpots would gladly turn the country over to the Islamists if it would mean the end of their shared enemies: Judeo-Christian values and the Republican party. Little do they understand that their liberal values such as gender equality and gay rights will be the first to go. Anyone who was raised to vote Democrat (as I was) must take a good long look at the party and ask themselves some honest questions.
mgoldberg says
So well said and so very very overlooked by so very many commentators and pundits…. that is what frightens me. How can this nation, this American nation, that has had to fight for this freedom, forget just how important it truly is and how fragile is the nation without this constitutional mandate.
Papa Whiskey says
Little Donnie is doing the same thing George Wallace used to do at his rallies in ’68: throwing red meat to his crowds with exhortations to violence against hecklers. Las Vegas, Feb. 23:
“You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher. I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell ya.”
Birmingham, Ala., Nov. 21:
“Maybe he should’ve been roughed up.”
Of course, being a rich punk, Little Donnie isn’t about to punch anyone or rough up anyone himself — he’ll have people do it for him. What he is doing with his big, bellowing mouth is not free expression but irresponsible provocation — very like what Wallace did when he said that if a protester lay down in front of his car it’d be the last one he ever lay down in front of. And his cheerleaders aren’t the only ones who eat this up. The coalition of BLM thugs and white lefty brats just love it.
Just like Muslim groups want and need hate crimes, whether fake or real.
LR says
Papa Whiskey,
Yep, I think you pretty much nailed it. Thanks for the balanced clarity.
How would you like to run for Prez., Whiskey?
: )
I’m reminded once again; trying to keep a decently functioning free Republic is no cake-walk.
….’if you can keep it’… as that old quote of Benjamin’s goes.
Carolyne says
I think you wandered into the wrong forum. Donald Trump is not “Little Donnie.” I’ll bet you are a lot smaller than he is physically and mentally, Well I hate to be the one to tell you that you have missed out in the brains department. Can you get your hands on a copy of the Bill of Rights? Read the first one.
Have another drink, Papa Whiskey. You’re not running out out, are you. Tough.
Truth says
Chicago is worse than Detroit. Chicago had about 1000 murders last year.
wildjew says
Leaving this Chicago rally aside for the moment, it is undeniable there is a good deal of violence and thuggish behavior at Trump rallies and campaign appearances. Donald Trump does indeed set the tone. I have interacted with zealous Trump supporters for many months. I read a Trump biographer, Never Enough: Donald Trump and the Pursuit of Success. It is on sale at Audible. I was banned by Breitbart (Donald Trump’s “official” website) because I pointed to Mr. Trump’s inconsistencies on Islam, Israel, etc., and because I pointed to the many white supremacists and white nationalists posting on the site. Avid Trump supporters suggest Mr. Trump will indeed go after his critics if he is elected president. Trump will and he should silence his critics they say. It saddens me to see my friends Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller seemingly taken in by this con-man and his thuggish supporters.
CogitoErgoSum says
Wildjew, I’m not seeing where Robert and Pamela have been taken in by Trump. I don’t see their support for him at all. What I do see is their strong support for freedom of speech. I see them being in line with the belief that “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
wildjew says
CogitoErgoSumm, I am fairly liberal when it comes to speech. I cannot say I am a free speech absolutist. I am not suggesting I advocate prosecuting vile or disgusting speech (in some instances such as inciting to murderous violence, yes) but neither am I going to defend to the death the right of a racist or a white supremacist or a fascist like Mr. Trump and his supporters to say what he / they say.
Adrian says
wildjew, the only “fascists” around are the Saul Alinsky Chicago thugs from last night, not Mr. Trump.
wildjew says
Adrian, Obama and his supporters are likewise fascist thugs. Mr. Trump and his fascists are stronger than Obama and his fascists.
“That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun.”
Wellington says
I have not seen nearly enough evidence, wildjew, that Donald Trump himself is, per your words, “a racist, or a white supremacist or a fascist.” Talking smack as Trump does once in a while does not add up to his being a bigot. Yes, he could and should certainly act and speak in a more dignified manner than he has at times but I think it way overblown to call him what you did.
Does he have some supporters who are bigots? Yes, but so have many other Presidential candidates over the years (e.g., many Obama supporters like the black rubes in Philly back in 2008 intimidating voters at the polls), ditto for a lot of Senatorial and Congressional candidates, and I would maintain that the vast majority of Trump’s supporters are just mainstream Americans who are fed up with governmental incompetency.
I don’t deny there is a less than savory aspect to Trump and I am not one of his supporters, but you’ll have to show me a lot more evidence that the man is a racist and a fascist. Rather, I see rough and tumble politics going on by him and not any outright bigotry. For me, the vast amount of true bigotry and hatred presently comes overwhelmingly from the Left, an example of which occurred last night in Chicago.
wildjew says
Wellington, stay tuned.
Carolyne says
Wildjew–Perhaps you are not a “Free Speech Absolutist” but the country was founded as such and as of now, still is. What you seem to ascribe to, censorship of ideas which don’t appeal to you, Is permitted and I sincerely hope will always be, left wing idiots or not.
CogitoErgoSum says
Wildjew, I would not defend speech I that deem racist or fascist either but I would not support putting a gag on the mouth of such a person. He should be free to say what he wants to say and I should be free to ignore him if I don’t like what he says …. unless he’s telling people to do some harm to me or others or is spreading provable lies. Then I would do what I am legally entitled to do to shut him up.
I am not a supporter of Trump but until I see him ordering his followers to disrupt the rallies of his rivals, I’m not going to be against him either. I agree with Robert that these are indeed dark days for the republic. I keep saying to myself, “These people are the best that we have to run for President?”
awake says
Wildjew is full of malarkey. Casting slanderous, unsupportable assertions about Trump, just like the left does. As well with the Wildjew, he is a one-trick pony. He only lends his support to those who put the considerations of Israel first, second, and only.
Wildjew has also expressed consistent anti-Christian sentiments here at JW, specifically responding to a discussion of the NT as the made-up testament.
Pay him no mind. Islam hates us. Trump 2016! There is no other reasonable alternative.
gravenimage says
wildjew wrote:
It saddens me to see my friends Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller seemingly taken in by this con-man and his thuggish supporters.
……………………
Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller have actually been very critical of Trump, wildjew.
But they are balanced and fair enough that they give him credit on occasions where it is due, and further would decry thugs shutting down rallies were this done not just to someone like Trump, but to Democratic or other candidates as well.
This balance and fairness–and general integrity–is one of the reasons I so trust Jihad Watch.
Mark Swan says
You Are Right
Custos Custodum says
As noted in another post below:
Alternatively, of course, provocateurs may choose to hide behind alternative “religious” affiliations subtly hinted at in handles such as “wildjew.” The aim is always the same – divide and confuse the anti-Jihadi enemy (and yes, enemy rather than “adversary” is the correct term).
Carolyne says
Wildjew, I have seen none of the behavior you subscribe to the Trump rallies. They are always well behaved. In fact, since the media is anti-Trump, we would see any altercation about a hundred times a day the next day and for several days thereafter.
I think your statements are more in the “Wishful thinking” department. Maybe you should see someone about it. Or maybe George Soros told you to say that.
mortimer says
There is a difference between lawful protest and unlawful rioting. Threats to persons and property should be prevented by police by means of arresting the leaders who order destruction and subvert the freedom of assembly.
Those who prevent the lawful freedom of assembly are behaving unlawfully and costing financial loss to individuals which the individuals should be able to recuperate.
Our freedom of lawful assembly should not be reduced or affected by rioters.
Freedom of speech must be protected by law enforcement and yes, that’s freedom for ideas of which we personally disapprove as long as they are lawfully proposed and do not include the overthrowing of the constitution or the state.
Trotskyite anarchists and Muslims, however, do want to overthrow the state, and yet, they still have their freedom of assembly unabridged.
Something is wrong when enemies of free speech and assembly have it, and yet, the friends of free assembly DO NOT HAVE IT.
Mr. Trump may now realize, finally, that he was WRONG not to support the freedom of speech and assembly of Spencer and Geller in Garland, Texas.
WHAT DID YOU LEARN JUST NOW, MR. TRUMP?
Adrian says
Mortimer, before you commence lecturing Mr. Trump on what he should or should not be learning, consider if it hadn’t been for Trump, NO OTHER other candidate on both sides would have addressed the muslim refugee issue like he did.
Furthermore, he deserves a ton of credit for his courageous (in today’s climate) statement: “Islam hates us.”
(I was also disappointed Trump did not understand the Garland, TX issue, but there is a chance he might be starting to see the light… )
Which other candidate when attacked by the media for his “Islam hates us” statement would have remained firm like he did, without any PC walking away from it? NOONE.
Trump is bringing up very important issues that have been hidden for years… and just possibly lurching his way to an even fuller understanding…
Cassandra says
Well put, Adrian. Yuuge though Trump’s flaws may be (as Robert Spencer has pointed out), he has already done a “yuuuge” service to America by bringing the issue of “Islam hates us” out of the closet.
One may even hope that Trump’s encounters Leftist thuggery will prompt him to consider more carefully to the need for reliable ideological allies and supporters. As the Left discovered in the 19th century (and have never forgotten), the ideological struggle frames much of the thinking around day-to-day politics, often in a manner that is not perceived by the rank and file in the trenches.
eduardo odraude says
Let’s hope that Trump’s “Islam hates us,” was the corrective that eventually was destined to come for GWB’s ridiculous “Islam means peace.”
Carolyne says
Adrian, I think you are right about Mr.Trump. It is likely that like most of us, at the time of the Garland TX attempted massacre, the press was the main source for the most part of information about it. And then we read JW and we understood what had really happened. I don’t believe that Mr. Trump at that time was running for President and he likely looked no further than the media and formed his opinion on that.
Much to his credit, he has learned a lot about Islam in the ensuing years and I believe he might have a different point of view now. There is no disgrace in not knowing, but there is disgrace in not learning I believe he has learned.
mortimer says
Mr. Trump, how do your feel when someone says to you, ‘TRUMP, YOU HAD IT COMING TO YOU’?
In other words, you were not politically correct, so hecklers have a right to shout louder until your event is cancelled.
Where is your freedom of speech now?
Mr. Trump, do you have a new respect for the First Amendment?
Adrian says
Unbelievable. Instead of being glad about the ONLY ONE of the candidates saying the unthinkable comments about jihad/Islam… you just snipe at Trump.
Way to go…
wildjew says
mortimer is right. Mr. Trump is a flaming hypocrite.
Adrian says
to wildjew,
And yet it is this very “flaming hypocrite” who has done more than ANYONE to focus attention on the dangers of Islam and not been bowed by political correctness
your vicious myopia is unbelievable
wildjew says
No Adrian, it is your myopia that is distressing. You need to do a little study — as some of us, unlike Trump, have studied the religion of Islam. You might study the rise and popularity of fascist movements in the last century. Demagogues like Mr. Trump are great con-artists and salesmen. They know how to appeal to the legitimate fears and concerns of the masses.
Donald Trump is out to lunch on the religion / ideology of Islam otherwise he WOULD be able to take sides between Israel and the Islamic savages bent on her destruction. He would not boast that he is the “neutral” guy. Yet you support this man? Why? Trump’s silent daughter and son in law is no defense.
Adrian says
wildjew, i have probably studied Islam much more intensely than u have bothered to 🙂
and u know very well there is no one among politicians who have “studied” Islam…
so we should be grateful for what we can get!
Your one-issue is Mr. Trump’s “neutral” position on Israel… ergo your hysterical personal attacks on him.
Your supposed opposition to Islam is a sham.
wildjew says
Adrian, you wrote: “Your one-issue is Mr. Trump’s “neutral” position on Israel… ergo your hysterical personal attacks on him….”
Really? One issue? Israel is on the front lines fighting this scourge and you call me a one issue person? Trump is not merely neutral, he says he will “not take sides” between good and evil, between civilization and savagery.
“I have a real question as to whether or not both sides want to make it,” Trump told AP. But he emphasized that it all rests with Israel. “A lot will have to do with Israel and whether or not Israel wants to make the deal — whether or not Israel’s willing to sacrifice certain things,” Trump said.
It is your “supposed” opposition to Islam that is a sham, not mine.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Trump is a flaming hypocrite. So what? We’ll take anybody with a pulse at this point. We’re that desperate, and he’s a good a roll of the dice as any.
Adrian says
In case you haven’t noticed, the front lines are now in Germany, Sweden, UK and coming soon to U.S….
that is unless we get everyone’s heads out of the sand and support the only person willing to throw the spotlight on the real source of the problem…
Trump is absolutely correct about pushing for a deal for Israel.
wildjew says
Adrian, you wrote: “Trump is absolutely correct about pushing for a deal (with Islamic savages) for Israel.”
I rest my case.
Champ says
wildjew wrote:
Israel is on the front lines fighting this scourge and you call me a one issue person? Trump is not merely neutral, he says he will “not take sides” between good and evil, between civilization and savagery.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
wildjew is RIGHT, and the wrongheaded position that Trump holds, regarding Israel, is absolutely appalling.
Israel is surrounded by monsters seeking her destruction; and although our right to free speech is of course *very* important, it pales in comparison to the life and death battle that Israel is in.
Ted Cruz still gets my vote, even though he’s blaming Donald Trump. Ted Cruz is head ‘n shoulders above Donald Trump, and we must weigh all of the important issues before us–and Ted Cruz certainly gets it *right* where Israel is concerned:
https://youtu.be/1sA_BO3wj20
Champ says
ps …
By stating that I agree with wildjew, regarding Israel, does NOT mean that I agree with the other comments that wildjew is leveling against Trump. And I’m not a huge fan of Donald Trump, but if he becomes the GOP nominee, then I’ll hold my nose and vote for him; since no way will I vote for Hillary.
But at this point, I’m still voting for Cruz in the primary, and I’m hoping and praying that Ted Cruz gets the GOP nomination!
gravenimage says
And Trump’s weak and vacillating support for Israel is not the only problem–there is also his not defending the First Amendment.
Trump has some good points, and is better than some of the candidates running, But it is always important–especially in these dire times–to proceed with our eyes wide open.
Carolyne says
Wildjew, I believe that a President of the United States should, first and foremost, and as he takes an oath to do so, “Protect and defend the ….United States.” Not Israel, the United States. I believe that in doing so, it is to our advantage to also help Israel and I believe, as apparently does Mr. Trump, that a deal could be reached for Israel’s protection from the Arab hordes We may be wrong. But equally, so could you.
Any any case, my allegiance is to the United States and no foreign country and I believe Donald Trump is the same.
Also, to whomever did it above, the reference to “YYUUGE” must have been a mistake in speech, or perhaps a colloquial pronunciation of “Huge” on Mr Trump’s part, but it is rather juvenile to continue the ridicule. It gets boring after a while and is no longer clever, if it ever was, which is more in keeping with my opinion.
wildjew says
Then you will get what you wish for APF. “Desperate people do desperate things.”
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
True enough. But after many election cycles followed by failure to even try to deliver on campaign promises, we’re down to the Donald. He’s a maybe 1-out-of-4 shot, but that’s better than Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell who are proven 0-out-of-4 shots. Or Mitt, the loser who didn’t try, he’s angling for the nomination.
Mark Swan says
If Mr.Trump Was Perfect He’d Still Hit A Nerve.
Mr.Trump is in the Real School Now…He Should Learn From This.
But All Of Us Had Better Take A Good Hard Look At The Totalitarian
Control Of Free Thought …And try To Break Loose While The Door Is Cracked
Open A Little For Now At Least…The Left Is Leaning Hard…Right Now To Slam
That Door Shut…This Is Not About Democrats And Republicans It Is About Change
Or More Of The Same…Mr. trump Does not Have All The Answers…No One Does
But He Will Shake-Up This Self Righteous We Said So Propaganda Machine In Our
Administration Right Now…I Just Hope He Asks Dr. Carson For A Running Mate.
Oliver says
I read Trump’s statement. Basically, what he said is, HE WILL LISTEN to what the Muslims say. That he will try and broker-IF POSSIBLE a solution. BUT, to be able to speak to both sides, he cannot have a predetermined position. I can understand that.
He said that he would be neutral.
Bill Clinton said the same thing; Carter & Obama were anti-Israel (more or less upfront).
Trump has been Pro-israel and for Israel long before it became “in”. I do not see him as being anti-Israel, or (like Carter did to the Shah, and Obama has tried to do to Netanyahu) and throwing Israel under the bus.
(And, I am Jewish, and a Trump supporter,, as are many of my friends. And consider Hillary Clinton-with her top foreign policy advisor is a founder of THE MUSLIM SISTERHOOD.
awake says
Again, APF,
Wildjew’s position is wholly couched on a candidate’s support for Israel and Israel alone.
It does not matter that Trump has taken the truth to Islam further than any politician in history since Churchill. All that matters is Wildjew’s consternation that Trump stated that he would remain neutral in a potential peace accord, which he subsequently clarified as the toughest deal ever to negotiate in politics, and also clarified that any attempt at a deal would beat be brokered by someone who is presented seemingly as neutral.
None of those facts matter to Wildjew. Either you profess unconditional support and subservience to the needs of Israel, or you’re persona non grata in Wildjew’s estimation.
Fessitude says
” It does not matter that Trump has taken the truth to Islam further than any politician in history since Churchill”
Correction: further than any AMERICAN politician in history since Churchill. Geert Wilders of Netherlands has gone much further than Trump and more eloquently. Or less eloquently but still better than any American politician on the horizon, Roberto Calderoli, the Italian minister of Institutional Reforms, who ten years ago was forced to resign because on Italian state television he wore a T-shirt with one of the Danish Muhammad cartoons. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/831
Mo says
@ Adrian
“Unbelievable. Instead of being glad about the ONLY ONE of the candidates saying the unthinkable comments about jihad/Islam… you just snipe at Trump.”
Trump knows and cares zero about Islam, okay? And just like he mocked the Garland event and free speech in general, now he sees the same sort of thing being done to him! And he doesn’t like it.
Can you explain how these two things – the Garland event and this rally – are any different, as far as the principle of free speech?
You know you cannot.
Champ says
Great comment, Mo! …and things certainly have come full circle for Donald Trump.
Carolyne says
No, Mo, it isn’t “Okay.” It is ridiculous to expect a candidate, any candidate to agree with your views 1000% You will never find such a person.
pdxnag says
Does Chris Brown have to report the value of his incitement to riot as a campaign contribution to Clinton and Sanders just as if he had otherwise “performed” on stage?
Mark Swan says
The City Of Chicago Should Be Billed For This…And the Event Held In Another City.
RCCA says
I wish Spencer and Geller would get over their anger towards Trump. Enough already. So what that he didn’t “get” the intended principle of free speech which you attempted to highlight by the Garland event; or the educational intentions behind the offensive subway and bus ads? As Trump noted, did you put up offensive ads about Judaism and Christianity just to make the point of free speech? No, of course not. Of course Geller’s events/activities aren’t just about free speech, they are also about fighting back against Islam. Now I’m a supporter, so I give you a pass on all that, but Trump had a point.
When Trump called for a temporary ban on Muslims after the San Bernadino jihad attack he offended a lot of people. But I doubt he did it just because he wanted to make a point about freedom of speech or political correctness. He said it as a leader because it needed to be said. Same with the comment about “Islam hates us …” All the other candidates refuse to back him, citing our need to work with Muslim countries.
So please get over the hurt feelings. If informed people who should be supporting Trump do not step up, that opportunity may be lost.
Adrian says
Amen RCAA! ditto.
gravenimage says
RCCA wrote:
I wish Spencer and Geller would get over their anger towards Trump. Enough already. So what that he didn’t “get” the intended principle of free speech
……………………
RCCA, the First Amendment is the bedrock of our freedoms–the one that all other rights are based on.
Even if Trump understood little about the threat of Islam, as a presidential candidate it is key that he defend our most basic rights. Without this he will always be a troubling figure at best.
He may well still be the least egregious of all the candidates running if he secures the Republican nominations. This just shows the deadly dangerous paucity of leadership in these fraught times.
DFD says
To graven,
watching from Europe, I concur. There’s a particular question that troubles me, and it should trouble Americans even more: How extensive, companies and countries, and intensive, amounts of money, are his dealings and connections with the gulf states? They are there, but any attempt to find details are as futile as is resistance against the Borg.
I wonder, if he gains power, what will he really do about immigration/invasion? “….can’t be done, impractical, impossible since we are bound by such ‘n such… The predecessor is to blame. However, here’s a fig leave and in addition, here’s a plaster AND an aspirin! There, there….”
I wouldn’t be surprised.
gravenimage says
I agree, DFD. Trump has been partnering with Arab investors for years and has successfully planted his brand on hotels, commercial real estate projects and golf resorts in Muslim nations such as Indonesia, Turkey, Azerbaijan and the United Arab Emirates. He has also sold properties to Muslims here in the US, including to the appalling Prince al-Waleed bin Talal Abdulaziz al Saud.
I still think Trump has said some very good things regarding Islam–but there is no doubt that he is potentially quite compromised by some of his troubling links to Muslims.
Dean says
Trump doesn’t fully understand the problem we face from the Muslim invasion but he is on the right track. He says they hate us and we need to find out what’s going on because it hasn’t studied about the issue but he generally understands there is some kind of problem importing the wrong ones. Like calling people that don’t support him or disagree with him, probably the same with him, stupid, he summarizes the apparent situation with “they hate us.” On this issue I am comfortable that he will listen to the right people if he gets elected. Until then a complete ban is just fine with me. Trump is thoroughly New York and I love the political incorrectness but it is difficult understanding his actual knowledge about many important issues through his messaging.
Greyhound Fancier says
The President takes an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. The First Amendment is an important part of that responsibility. Whether Trump understands the freedom of speech is a big deal. I hope if he’s elected that what happened over the weekend makes an impression on him.
gravenimage says
Agreed, GF.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Greyhound: I’ve been thinking just that since his event was shut down.
Life has a way of pointing things out to us, doesn’t it? I think this whole PC’ing of America wasn’t a problem to The Donald; until he decided to run that is. His great wealth of course insulated him from such coercion. But he’s a fighter. He doesn’t fold to bullies; in fact he is, as it were, consitutionally (pun intended) incapable of taking anything lying down…
He’s my candidate because I want us to get back to the original view of the Founders. ‘Citizen’ legislators, ‘citizen’ presidents. They’d abhor what we’ve had for so many years now-an elite political class. They knew the danger of that.
And as evidenced by the enraged entitled pronouncements of Romney and Fox and the 10 million other elites who now rail against Trump 24/7? They were right.
Carolyne says
Yes. You are correct. And I don’t recall there were riots of thousands at Garland TX. I know that there were two gunman who were stopped by local police. But the police in Garland TX were much more vigilant than the thousands of police in Chicago, a city run by the Democrat machine. There was so little press about it that many people never even heard about it. Also, at the time it happened, Mr. Trump was not a candidate and likely his mind was on conducting his business rather than the politics of Islam. Now that he is a candidate, he is aware of the problem and has had the guts to say it. The only one who does.
Certainly Hillary Clinton, solely responsible for four deaths iof four Americans and then lied about it in the “Arab Spring” which she instigated with her aide Huma Abadin, whose father was one of the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood, could not possible have the best interests of the US at heart, having been born in Iran and being a Muslim. Perhaps some would prefer Socialism–try Bernie Sanders. Rubio–in search of a brain like the Scarecrow. Obama? “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.” Kasich? Manager of Lehman Brothers when it failed and almost brought down the entire financial structure of the world. That leaves Cruz, a brilliant man but one who has not spoken of the danger to the US of Islam. He is very quiet on the subject, although he does not go along with the “Global Change” Scam.
And then there’s Donald Trump. A tough business man who understands financial matters, understands the danger of Islam, and the flow of illegal persons across our Southern border.
Those are our choices. I’ve made mine.
Myxlplik says
I don’t know what these guys are so upset about, because when Trump gets elected they all got free one way tickets to Nova Scotia where the government states the Muslims can roam free and the Liberals can chain drop abortions at will.
Sorry Canada, but we’ll then need a wall there too.
Myxlplik says
But we’ll trade Canada for their conservatives for all of our Libtards, and Muslims, just to even things out.
Mark Swan says
Good Ones…Both of You
Carolyne says
Good plan.
revereridesagain says
Robert, thank you so much for this superb post. Like many people here this morning I’m dealing with an email group half full of morons who think Trump “instigated” last night’s riot. And these are people who claim they would defend you and Pam and the rest of the Garland event participants to the death. They need a consistency check, so I’m sending them here.
EventHorizon says
Robert Spencer is obviously dumb as a rock. Expressing an opinion and forcibly shutting down an event are not the same thing. But hey, what’s a little conflation when you get to play victim for the 900th time. If Spencer wasn’t so stupid he probably would have expected Garland would garner a little criticism. How could he not? Wasn’t that the point? To bring attention to the dangers of Islam? After 20 years of staring at his computer does he not understand that there is an information war being waged by Islam. Does he not realize that politicians, professors, and the media misinform the public daily? Does he just not get that many people actually need to make a transition from being misinformed to being informed.
Maybe, just maybe, Trump saw Garland as a provocation only because he didn’t understand the context of the event. At one point pretty much everyone here did not realize that Islam(by nature) was attacking our freedom. Is that so hard to understand?
Spencer would criticize a disrespectful event about Christianity. Does that mean that Spencer, the self-proclaimed freedom fighter, is an enemy of freedom of speech. No, he has the right to criticize. Well, so does Trump.
Stupid Spencer is showing his true colors now. Finally, someone stands up to Islam and America is standing with him. This is looking good; finally one for the good guys. America will NOT go down without a fight. And Spencer is mad at Trump? Oh, Trump said bad word about Garland, boo hoo. Wow, that actually pretty awesome. He always seemed a little shady, but it’s good to know that he can’t be trusted.
‘I hope @realDonaldTrump will be the next US President. Good for America, good for Europe. We need brave leaders.’
Geert Wilders stands with Trump, not with Robert Spencer.
Myxlplik says
Robert was narrowly addressing the subject of freedom of speech here. Trump has yet to mend fences, the ball is in his court, so don’t get mad at Robert for kindly pointing that out.
Myxlplik says
Look, I mean no disrespect, for my part I see you as an ally, but Robert and Pam literally lay their lives on the line for our freedom with this Garland event. Not because they they are rude, but due to the imposition of Islamic blasphemy law through violence nessesites it. I doubt it is in either of their natures to draw disrespectful pictures for just kicks.
It’s possible for you to address someone who actually would give their life for your freedom with a little courtesy, and still make your point, okay?
wildjew says
Myxlplik, please do not be taken in by these people. EventHorizen is NOT an ally. Neither is Donald Trump.
Note, EventHorizon wrote: “Robert Spencer is obviously dumb as a rock….Maybe, just maybe, Trump saw Garland as a provocation….Stupid Spencer is showing his true colors now….Trump said bad word about Garland, boo hoo…”
I have interacted with these Trump-supporting fascists for many months. They are not on our side. These are vile people. So is Mr. Trump who is using the people’s legitimate fears and concerns about the threat posed by Islam as an opportunity. Trump is an opportunist and a demagogic authoritarian. That is why he appeals to non-freedom loving people like EventHorizen.
livingengine says
Thank you for that.
I too deal with the Trump people every day, and they confirm, to me anyway, that Trump is running a cult of personality. They will not engage in any criticism of him.
The Wikipedia article “Tripartite classification of authority” identifies 3 types of authority: Traditional, Legal, and Trump’s type, Charismatic.
From Wikipedia – “Charismatic authority grows out of the personal charm or the strength of an individual personality. It was described by Weber in a lecture as “the authority of the extraordinary and personal gift of grace (charisma)”; he distinguished it from the other forms of authority by stating “Men do not obey him [the charismatic ruler] by virtue of tradition or statute, but because they believe in him.” Thus the actual power or capabilities of the leader are irrelevant, as long as the followers believe that such power exists. Thus, according to Weber, it is particularly difficult for charismatic leaders to maintain their authority because the followers must continue to legitimize the authority of the leader.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_classification_of_authority#Charismatic_domination
Any criticism of Trump weakens his authority. That’s why they don’t care when he says things like he would have prevented 911, or that he predicted terrorism, or that he could get away with murder, and not lose votes. That Donald Trump claims to have magic powers, claims to be our savior, and will insult you to your face are all indications of a cult leader. So is sending his followers to beat you up if you get in his way.
But the most explosive warning sign coming from him is his treatment of the Curtis Culwell Attack. This should have been a gift to him, a chance to unify the country in opposition to ISIS, but instead, he led the country in opposing . . . Pamela Geller! And, this went on for days with him spouting gibberish about how bad Pamela was, but barely a mention of ISIS. There is no other way to accurately characterize this — he repeatedly denied Americans protection from ISIS attacks on American soil for the sake of his personal, and political ambitions. This is an absolutely volcanic eruption of a warning sign.
Myxlplik says
wildjew,
I have just enough to faith to believe those, and others near by, who stand against Israel will have very nasty things happen to them. I hope Trump isn’t an enemy of Israel, because I’m standing way too close to where he is for comfort.
I think very nasty things are about to happen to the enemies of Israel.
Wellington says
If you think Robert Spencer is a dumb as a rock, then it is you who is as dumb as a rock. Yes, I’m thinking unwitting projection here on your part.
Also, at the Garland event last May two Muslims showed up with intent to kill. So, c’mon. What happened last night in Chicago was despicable and evidence of leftist fascism but the intent at Garland was to actually kill as many people as possible. Huge difference. And Trump should have gotten this and not said what he did about Garland. I do appreciate Trump for calling for at least a temporary ban on Muslim immigration to America and for saying the other day that it seems Islam hates America, but he still has a long way to go respecting a full comprehension of Islam as Robert Spencer has.
Moreover, if you think Geert Wilders does not stand with Robert Spencer to this day, you live in a world of make believe. And to assert, as you did, “that someone (meaning Trump) finally stands up to Islam…..”, while not noting that Robert Spencer has bravely been standing up to Islam for at least a decade and half now, having his life threatened regularly for doing so, is to demonstrate an ignorance and ingratitude for one of the greatest fighters for freedom in our time. Your comment here at JW fills me with disgust.
BlueRaven says
Wellington: “while not noting that Robert Spencer has bravely been standing up to Islam for at least a decade and half now, having his life threatened regularly for doing so, is to demonstrate an ignorance and ingratitude for one of the greatest fighters for freedom in our time. Your comment here at JW fills me with disgust.”
I second that: Well said.
Mark Swan says
I third that…Absolutely…Mr. Spencer has raised people’s awareness of this Quran Inspired
Jihad…and allowed Us to discuss it and share our thoughts with others who are concerned.
I read all the comments and I am impressed and stimulated to by them.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear!
Champ says
Agree with you word-4-word, Wellington!
Mo says
@ EventHorizon
“Robert Spencer is obviously dumb as a rock.”
Can you internet commenters ever make a point about anything without resorting to personal insults? And even STARTING OFF that way?
Learn how to act like a guest in someone else’s internet “home”, for goodness’ sake! Robert certainly does not deserve to be spoken to this way.
Mark Swan says
No One Does…It Kills conversation.
Angemon says
EventHorizon posted:
“Robert Spencer is obviously dumb as a rock.”
Childish insults? Not the strongest opening, is it? I mean, unless your whole goal s not to be taken seriously, in which case, great opening, brah!
“Expressing an opinion and forcibly shutting down an event are not the same thing. But hey, what’s a little conflation when you get to play victim for the 900th time.”
Huh, you’re the one doing that conflation here.
“If Spencer wasn’t so stupid he probably would have expected Garland would garner a little criticism. How could he not?”
More insults? Sheesh…
“Wasn’t that the point? To bring attention to the dangers of Islam?”
I think you need to read more about the goals and objectives of the Garland exhibition…
“After 20 years of staring at his computer does he not understand that there is an information war being waged by Islam. Does he not realize that politicians, professors, and the media misinform the public daily? Does he just not get that many people actually need to make a transition from being misinformed to being informed.”
You mean, despite the hundreds, if not thousands, of rebuttals he did to snake-oil peddlers and misinformed, if not outright dishonest, media articles?
“Maybe, just maybe, Trump saw Garland as a provocation only because he didn’t understand the context of the event.”
Congratulations! Now you understand why Mr. Spencer brought up Garland.
“At one point pretty much everyone here did not realize that Islam(by nature) was attacking our freedom. Is that so hard to understand?”
Where was Trump during and since 9/11? Because that was the wake-up call for many people.
“Spencer would criticize a disrespectful event about Christianity. Does that mean that Spencer, the self-proclaimed freedom fighter, is an enemy of freedom of speech. No, he has the right to criticize. Well, so does Trump.”
False equivalence – I doubt Mr. Spencer would apologize for murderers, like Trump did.
“Stupid Spencer is showing his true colors now.”
What alleged “true colors” are that? Cue in the false narrative.
“Finally, someone stands up to Islam and America is standing with him. This is looking good; finally one for the good guys. America will NOT go down without a fight. And Spencer is mad at Trump? Oh, Trump said bad word about Garland, boo hoo. Wow, that actually pretty awesome. He always seemed a little shady, but it’s good to know that he can’t be trusted.”
And here it is, the false narrative. Where to even begin? “Trump stands up to islam”? No, Trump makes generic comments and dodges specifics. Ben Carson stood up to islam. Trump didn’t. Spencer is mad at Trump? If he is, there’s no evidence to it. Mr. Spencer can’t be trusted? Why?
“‘I hope @realDonaldTrump will be the next US President. Good for America, good for Europe. We need brave leaders.’
Geert Wilders stands with Trump, not with Robert Spencer.”
How detached from reality are you? Geert Wilders stands with Robert Spencer. Literally. Like, on video. Several times. Geert has nothing if not praise for Mr. Spencer. And for quite some time now.
Wellington says
EventHorizon, Angemon, is exactly the kind of Trump supporter that Trump doesn’t need. EventHorizon’s ignorance can only hurt Trump and I strongly suspect that EventHorizon will never figure this out. The phrase “dumb as a rock” comes to mind here but, for the life of me, I don’t know why. Yeah, don’t know why.
Champ says
EventHorizon may have borrowed this phrase “dumb as a rock” from Donald Trump …
https://youtu.be/Qn2PQ_yAfVA
gravenimage says
The nasty EventHorizon wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, Trump saw Garland as a provocation only because he didn’t understand the context of the event.
………………………
Anyone who does not defend the rights of free people to practice freedom of speech without facing death threats–whether they fully understand the “context” or not–is cause for concern.
Mark Swan says
Yes It Is Great Cause For Concern.
It Can Not Become Commonly Accepted That These Violent Responses
To Non-Violent Provocations Are Just the Way Things Are Now That We
Have Muslims Here…Not In America.
Maybe He Would Answer It That Way Now.
DFD says
EventHorizon says: “….Robert Spencer is obviously dumb as a rock…………..etc”
BULLOCKS!
And that’s from a European bystander/observer.
Carolyne says
Mr. Spencer and Ms. Gellar are two of the people I admire most in the world. They are brave and they are right. I wish I were as brave as they are. They lay their lives on the line every day to bring us the truth about Islam and in doing so, hope to save the country from becoming the Caliphate which is the Islamic goal, aided and abetted by some of our politicians at the highest level. Instead of criticizing Mr Spencer and Ms Gellar, we should be thanking them. We will be forever in their debt.
Donald Trump is becoming a hero, too. As he says, he does not recognize political correctness. He tells the truth. Islam does hate us. We should stop Muslim emigration, we should close our southern border and everyone who enters this country should be required to do so legally. Mr. Trump is the real deal. He does not live on the essence of daffodils as some, ie. Bernie Sanders do. He recognizes that the world is a very dangerous place, mostly caused by Islam and those invading our country from the south.
I do not need to go further. Mr. Trump has many other attributes which would make him a superb President. I fervently hope that he will be the nominee and will go on to become the greatest President since Ronald Reagan.
Gary MacGrumblley says
It was a MoveOn-BLM-Democrat-Bill-Ayers organized/co-ordinated domestic terror attack on the American political process.
wildjew says
(Fascist) Donald Trump Blames ‘Communist’ Bernie Sanders for Chicago Clashes
“Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump on Saturday blamed supporters of Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders for protests that shut down his Chicago rally, calling the U.S. senator from Vermont “our communist friend….”
Adrian says
Ah, so now we get Saul Alinsky tactics from “wildjew” with his personal smears on Mr. Trump… how predictable
Oliver says
Bernie Sanders is a communist-or, at the least, a communist lover.
He loves the Sandinistas-who overthrew Somoza (The Somoza family, incidentally, took in several thousand Jews from Europe, who otherwise would have ended up in the Nazi death camps). And American liberturd jews hated the Somoza’s and supported the Sandinistas.
Might want to read some of Mr Greenfield’s articles ( google SULTAN ASSET SERVICES LLC TRE)- very insightful. About Clinton, Sanders and assorted leftists.
Oliver says
re; GOGGLE; SULTAN KINISH—I DO NOT KNOW WHERE ASSET SERVICES LLC COMES FROM.
karl anglin says
Bernie Sanders never earned a paycheck in his life until the age of 40.
awake says
Yes, Trump was afforded several cheap shots at Bernie, attributing moveon.org to Bernie, or as FOX is now reporting, Bill Ayers.
The reality is that moveon.org is pure George Soros, attempting to manipulate the U.S. Election process, as he is concurrently organizing the invasion and destruction of Europe.
George has donated heavily to Hillary. Do the math.
George Soros is not an American citizen. Does any of the self-appointed enlightened ones here at JW know who he is?
gravenimage says
I’m sure many people here at Jihad Watch know who George Soros is, Awake.
“George Soros Condemns the Victims of Jihadist Terrorism for Fighting Back”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261337/george-soros-condemns-victims-jihadist-terrorism-joseph-klein
Custos Custodum says
George Soros is behind a quiet but very well funded effort to gain control over the persons and offices of Secretaries of State in each state and territory through infiltration, intimidation, blackmail and computer hacking so as to hijack the vote counting process.
Much of Soros’ alleged early history (including his age) is somewhat suspect. There are indications that Soros aka Georg Schwartz may be somewhat older than he has claimed, and that his family (like much of the well-to-do educated class within the former Austro-Hungarian monarchy) primarily spoke German rather than Hungarian at home. Soros (meaning “black”) was a nom de plume adopted by his father, a writer.
It was not unusual in pre-war Budapest for writers and journalists to publish in both German and Hungarian depending on the occasion and the audience.
Dan Jones says
Yea I saw Trump out there getting BLM and Soros’s MOVEOUTOFAMERICAIWISH.org all riled up…
Bad Trump…
More End Time News At:
http://www.shininginthedark.com/?page_id=6088
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Take a close look at the photo at the top of this essay. In the middle of the picture is a man with raised fist who is wearing a hand-printed T-shirt saying “Muslims United Against Trump”. Lower your gaze and you will see, below his orange underpants, his beltless jeans, drooping so as to cover his ankles. This “Muslim” is publicly practicing isbaal, the hypocrite! What we need is “Muslims United Against Isbaal”.
CogitoErgoSum says
Showing your underwear is Isbaal ……… that’s a new term to me. I’ve just been calling it nasty. Somebody needs to give him a wedgie. Ooops …… is that incitement to violence ??? … or would everyone say, “He had it coming?”
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Hello, CogitoErgoSum.
No, isbaal does not mean to show your underwear. Rather, “isbaal is to wear garments that extend below the ankles.” See page 33 of
https://abdurrahmanorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/the-three-letters-the-beard-isbaal-smoking-dr-saleh-as-saleh.pdf
If you commit isbaal, you are going to hell; thus saith our favorite prophet.
Instead of T-shirts saying “Muslims United Against Trump”, CAIR should print up T-shirts saying “Muslims United Against Isbaal” and sponsor anti-isbaal squads to attend Trump rallies and enforce pantalonic discipline.
Carolyne says
I would say he had it coming, but then we would both probably be charged with a “Hate crime.”
Bezelel says
Mob Rule? Ballots or bullets? Freedom of speech isn’t free. There is going to be a price to pay to keep civilization from dragged into the sewer. DT is getting a public education on a number of subjects. The lights are being turned on for millions. A Consistent message on jihad is all the more important now that it’s subliminal progress is being exposed.
Don McKellar says
I have a feeling that when you stage the next Draw Muhammad Cartoon Contest, Trump might just show up. He has rapidly evolved as he learns more and more as an active politician. One thing I will say with good certainty: He’s not going to criticize your next contest.
However, he still has every right not to like the idea of your cartoon contest. That is his free speech, too.
Don McKellar says
And I’ll just say also that Trump is following his own advice here and doing “something else” against the moslem jihad on free speech, isn’t he? It’s all good for Jihad Watch and its reason for being. Trump is opening the dirty can of Islam and the left-fascist worms wide open for all to see.
Adrian says
Exactly! and opening the can about Islam is something ALL our spineless politicians would never have dreamed of doing…
For that alone, everyone should be eternally grateful to him…
Mo says
@ Don McKellar
“I have a feeling that when you stage the next Draw Muhammad Cartoon Contest, Trump might just show up.”
“feelings” are not the same as facts/evidence. What evidence do you have for this idea?
“He has rapidly evolved as he learns more and more as an active politician.”
What evidence do you have for this?
“One thing I will say with good certainty: He’s not going to criticize your next contest.”
Why are you certain of that?
“However, he still has every right not to like the idea of your cartoon contest. That is his free speech, too.”
HILARIOUS! You’re so certain that he’s “evolved” (whatever exactly that means), and you have “good certainty” that he’s not going to criticize a future Mohammad cartoon event if there is one… but just in case he changes his mind, you have to add that end part.
My God, this Trump cult is even worse than the Obama cult of 08! I EXPECTED that sort of behavior from liberals. I was not expecting it from my own side! At least, not to this extent!
Oliver says
Feelings are opinions, and thoughts. Based upon views, not necessarily facts. NOT TO LIKE is NOT the same as criticizing.
Someone could not criticize something, but still not like it. Called keeping your mouth shut/opinions to oneself.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
I can’t wait to see Bill O’Reilly talk about this with Laura Ingraham on Monday’s show. Gonna be good.
livingengine says
There is no question Trump is culpable. He was preaching violence, encouraging violence, offering to pay the legal fees of those who assaulted protesters at his rallies. http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/#e__XZwDkyiqE
He was calling for a physical confrontation, which he got, and so, he promptly ran away.
That is very, very different from Garland which was an act of defiance, but never encouraged violence.
Bezelel says
Soooo, you are ok with crashing private events with mobs and the people attending are supposed to just allow it? Weddings, Funerals,Birthday parties, Family picnics,Car shows,Ball games?
livingengine says
No, I am pointing out Trump’s lack of leadership, and his cult of personality. Part of Trump’s appeal is that he gives people permission, licence to be ugly, and violent. This is not leadership,
Raymond of Canada says
Again, the mob is never to blame!
Oliver says
I don’t see where Mr. Trump is giving people license to be ugly and violent. I do see where he draws large crowds, and has a hell of a lot more support then the other candidates.
Bezelel says
livingengine, I have not heard of any calls for violence without provocation. Anyone who would go to any political rally with intent to disrupt, verbally/physically should know that they do so at their own risk. Trump is somewhat charismatic, but not of the jim jones sort.My point is the origin of the violence begins with the so called protesters, many of whom are on the george soros, globalist payroll. What we are witnessing is the foreshadowing of civil war. communist flags and muslim flags and mexican flags were being waved by the so called protesters.
Bezelel says
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/03/media_hypocrisy_on_trump_rally_hard_to_stomach.html
Foreign and Domestic
livingengine says
I think I missed the point of this story which is Leftists, and Muslims are engaging in lawlessness, and violence to suppress free speech. We need to be able to hear Trump before we can effectively criticize him. A counter-rally held across the street would have been a better way, but the style today is to run wild in the streets wearing a Black Lives Matter t-shirt.
As bad as Trump is, groups like BLM are worse if only because there is no large popular uprising against them. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/26/murderers-get-starring-role-video-black-lives-matter-palestinian-group/
Dean says
There were public calls to oppose and shut down Trump’s rally coining primarily from the local university one week before the event and it was obvious that most of the first 3,000 in line at the rally were intent on shutting it down. It is fundamental to the exercise of the freedom of speech is that the speech is done on your own time and your dime and the Trump campaign rented the auditorium for that purposes and the dissidents intended to shit it down. I like Cruz but after a formal statement defending free of speech and opposing the suppression of it, he used the moment to advance his own campaign to denounce trump’s style and implied that that style shared responsibility for the intensity of the opposition. Cruz is profiling himself too much as just another politicians after the first part. There are times when unequivocal defense of our liberties should be stated without equivocation and considering the fact that these tactics will be used against him soon, this was one of those times.
wildjew says
Politico wrote this afternoon: ‘Rubio and Kasich waver on supporting Trump if he wins nomination’
Politico: “….While Cruz also blamed Trump for the chaos and violence around the front-runner’s campaign events, he but would not back away from a commitment to support the New Yorker if Trump wins the nomination….”
I was planning on voting for Sen. Cruz here in our Republican primary this Tuesday. I am beginning to waver.
Adrian says
Why don’t you just throw away your vote on Little Marco?
He just apologized and groveled for Islam and Muslims at the last debate, but no matter… he’s a knee-jerk Israel-firster like yourself.
awake says
Who cares that the Wildjew wants to vote for Marco. He probably offered the best deference to Israel first, and the U.S., bah who cares, even if Marco is only providing lip service.
Wildjew; all Israel, all the time…
Oliver says
In my opinion, nobody will shut down a Rubio rally. Two reasons:
1. he never says anything
and
mor eimportant
2. nobody shows up for them anyway. (In Miami, his home city, few people showed up).
As for John Kasich–just what the hell does he stand for? Other then having been a former governor and a former member of Congress? has he ever had a real job? Strated a business? As best I know ( and I DO NOT FOLLOW ) but I recall seeing that Ohio is losing jobs; losing people; not doing that well economically. And has not been fro years. is that part of his legacy? Did he inherit it? I see nothing about what he did or didn’t do as a governor or member of Congress.
Cruz- mentioned in another medium- virtually NO SENATOR has endorsed him. Said to be somewhere between disliked and despised by his fellow Senators..
Trump, for all of his faults, WAS THE FIRST-MENTIONED ABOVE ABOUT MUSLIMS- BUT ALSO THE FIRST TO TALK ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS; ABOUT ISIS; ABOUT OTHER ISSUES.
Then, the others jumped on the bandwagon, when they saw people were interested in these topics.
Has Cruz ever had a job that was not in politics? (He was Attorney General in Texas , ) or like Sanders, ( and a former Rep. Senator from Texas- Phil Gramm- WHO NEVER HELD A JOB THAT WAS NOT IN THE GOVERNMENT)?
Just asking.
Cyberats says
Some of those Muslims United look awfully young, physically fit and clean looking. Can you say Federal Agents ?
As for the Black Lives Matter, unless there’s a piece of chicken involved, someone should’ve thrown in a piece of chicken and watch them kill themselves to the last one. (checkout the latest news story of a black man murdering a friend at a block party)
abad says
Oh I doubt they were federal agents.
But look at it this way.
The vast majority of these Trump rally protesters either: 1. Took the day off from work to take part in these “protests”, or: 2. Are unemployed, lazy welfare recipients who should be out looking for employment instead of wasting their time at a Trump rally.
I’ll go with #2.
Oliver says
Abad-i agree with you #2– and the protesters were a #2 in my view.
gravenimage says
Cyberats wrote:
Some of those Muslims United look awfully young, physically fit and clean looking. Can you say Federal Agents ?
………………………………
Of course–because Muslims are never violent and would never attempt to shut down freedom of speech. Must be our own government, instead…sarc/off
What are the chances that Cyberats is also a 9/11 “Truther”?
Angemon says
Cyberats posted:
“Some of those Muslims United look awfully young, physically fit and clean looking. Can you say Federal Agents ?”
No, but living in Europe I can say “Syrian” “refugees”. Is there any reason why a muslim living in America could not be young, fit and clean-looking?
elizabeth says
Black Preacher’s Cleveland Rally Opening Remarks Disprove Allegations That Trump Is ‘Racist’ – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuoRwl-qP2E … – begin at 6-min point
rolf wittwer says
It seems to be a kind of plague within the leftists worldwide.
Whenever leftists are involved in any kind of discussion, disput or other confrontations, the event¨becomes violent and primitive.
Probably most have personal problems.
Fr. Basil says
Freedom of speech does not guarantee a venue or protect the speaker from the consequences of what he may say.
Still less does it have a concomitant obligation to agree with what is being said, or even to listen to it.
The First Amendment simply forbids prior government restraint on speech that others might find objectionable or even “hateful”.
Dracula says
Can’t say I can support anyone else but Trump after this fiasco. He may not get everything, but he has the most clues.
WorkingClassPost says
From a European perspective, it looks really strange when none of your politicians stands up and denounces what was such a dangerous precedent to set in a Presidential election campaign.
Probably the credibility to suffer most was Bern Sanders’, because his supporters were heavily involved, yet he still blamed Trump and made no strong statement against what happened, so all his ‘nice guy’, ‘man of the poor’ image is shown to be pure BS.
At least he was telling the truth when he called himself a Socialist, but not the kind of socialist we have over here.
Custos Custodum says
The game plan is to make Trump seem “divisive” and “trouble” in the minds of women voters.
Women voters statistically favor candidates who “get along” and are felt to maintain calm and order. The carefully staged violence is intended to taint Trump (the victim) with the image of violence so as to handicap him in the GENERAL election.
The psychology is similar to the common Muslim jihad practice of raping women so as to make them and their families more pliant and obedient, e.g. prior to sending the victim on a suicide attack.
Carolyne says
I find your comments not only incorrect, but misogynist and insulting. Rather Islamic, actually. Should I don a burka when I go to vote? Oh yeah, I guess women need to stay home and not be permitted to vote.. What is your Muslim name?
solsticewitch13 says
Check this out
https://youtu.be/R_wOOOa_7Ak
gravenimage says
Yes, Muslims targeting minorities is particularly cynical, solsticewitch13, given how minorities are treated in Dar-al-Islam.
And their claiming to defend the Constitution could not be more perverse–Islam seeks to destroy all democratic forms and replace them with brutal Shari’ah law.
And good to see you posting again.
Richard Paulsen says
Ugly and fightening. Watching hateful crowds and mobbing like that. How is it possible to organize and destroy for others like that without being stopped? Happens not just in the U.S.A.. That anyone takes part and behave in that way? Terrible to experience.
Notable that the president and the one who lost against him for president sided.
However most likely it will not succeed. Cannot think that anyone thinks such people are worthy of having the responsibility for one´s nation. Too much being at stake.
One good thing is those responsible for bad politics for a long time being exposed. Just minimized themselves.
Mo says
I am no Trump fan. But this stunt by the fools in my city made me sick.
abad says
Eh I am not surprised this happened – Chicago is after all a stronghold for the Black Muslim Brotherhood if not THE capital for it in the USA.
But I am glad Trump is safe and I think he knows what he is up against with all of these unemployed, welfare-grubbing, unambitious, lazy, criminal, hanging out at street-corners Black Muslims.
Trump 2016
Champ says
Israel is surrounded by monsters seeking her destruction; and although our right to free speech is of course *very* important, it pales in comparison to the life and death battle that Israel is in.
Ted Cruz still gets my vote, even though he’s blaming Donald Trump. Ted Cruz is head ‘n shoulders above Donald Trump, and we must weigh all of the important issues before us–and Ted Cruz certainly gets it *right* where Israel is concerned:
https://youtu.be/1sA_BO3wj20
More Ham Ed says
How many videos do you post every day? Shouldn’t 10 be the limit?
gravenimage says
Why do you have a problem with Champ posting videos, Ed? You don’t have to watch them if you don’t want to.
Champ says
Exactly, Graven, thank you! …no one is forcing “more ham ed” to watch or read anything.
And I will continue to exercise my *freedom* and post as many videos as I darn well please 🙂
Custos Custodum says
Note that as the U.S. election and the fight for Europe’s fate heats up, JW faces a constant stream of provocateurs, many of them clearly paid and organized with the express mission of spreading “fear, uncertainty and doubt” for the purposes of advancing Islam’s global jihad.
Recently, provocateurs camouflage their Muslim affinities behind over-the-top “Christian” handles such as “Christianblood” or “More Ham Ed.” Sometimes, they hunt in packs working off coordinated talking points.
Another characteristic are seemingly serious comments aimed at attacking what are seemingly minor points. Of course, they never lose sight for even a second of their true objectives – disinformation and distraction.
Angemon says
I respectfully disagree with your assertion of “christianblood”, Custos Custodum. I don’t think he’s a muslim troll, I think he’s one of the Kremlin trolls paid to spread Russian disinformation and anti-Western propaganda.
buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/documents-show-how-russias-troll-army-hit-america#.oko4P85Wn
theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/07/putin-hacked-emails-russian-nashi
theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house
Champ says
Thank you for sharing …and isn’t *freedom* great!
Champ says
More Ham Ed wrote:
How many videos do you post every day? Shouldn’t 10 be the limit?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A rather odd complaint from “more ham ed”, especially on a thread where we’re discussing the topic of *free speech* …hmmm.
Bezelel says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS5-JRTM7aU
One of my favorites
Champ ✿ says
Thank you, Bezelel! …that was *hilarious* and pure genius! 🙂
Bezelel says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfea6IWiYu0
This is one I just found. Very interesting.
Champ says
Another good one, Bezelel! …the ending cracked me up ..”you mean like Democrats” ..all the while I was thinking that the zombies were mohammedans, lol!
gravenimage says
A rather odd complaint from “more ham ed”, especially on a thread where we’re discussing the topic of *free speech* …hmmm.
…………………….
Excellent point.
Alphinostrum says
Looks like the opposition sent the ‘Brown Shirts’ after him!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
A whiff of the smell of Black Lives Matter today recalls the stench of the Ku Klux Klan back in the day. Racist activism, only in the opposite direction, and using different methods, much more media savvy than the Klansmen, who were prone to carrying high powered rifles.
Black Lives Matter = racist lobby
Ku Klux Kaln = racist lobby
Custos Custodum says
You realize, of course, that the Obama/Ayers astroturf “Black Lives Matter,” the overlapping “New Black Panthers” (AG-sanctioned voter intimidation), and the Ku Klux Klan represent the same tradition of politics by intimidation.
Both BLM and KK are semi-official organizations affiliated with the Democratic Party – the party of Robert Byrd, “Bull” Connor, George Wallace, etc.
Tim says
Cruz and Rubio are two sides of the same Cuban sandwich. One’s an anchor baby and the other is foreign born. Each has been involved in anti-American votes including the Gang of 8 and TPP. Cruz and Rubio are progressives in RINO clothing.
A vote for Rubio or Cruz is a vote for Obama or Hillary.
gigene says
Trump is right. Islam is a religion out of and before the Dark Ages. It’s a Religion of dominance and control. It doesn’t and cannot coexist with any other Faith or Democratic system. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, they are only quiet Muslims. Once they are “informed” by their inman how to they will become one and the same. I’m afraid Civil War is going to come to America. Then and only then can we bring America back to where it belongs. If we win it.
Mike says
INS should investigate the legal status of the Muslim protesters and deport any who are here illegally. The rest of the Muslim protesters should be [laced on the Home Security watch list.
gravenimage says
Is there *no* candidate who will unreservedly defend freedom of speech? We know there is no one on the Left…
And no–shutting down someone else’s freedom of speech is not freedom of speech.
davej says
The widespread “asking for trouble” meme just reflects and supports the Islamic thuggery of killing or silencing anyone who dares to criticize Islam. Muslims are easily offended by anything that insults (or even describes) their stupid prophet, their stupid book or any of their stupid and evil practices. This event demonstrates and reinforces the insidious creep of Sharia into the mainstream culture that ends up depriving Americans of their traditional Free Speech rights.
Were the Charlie Hebo or Garland cartoonists asking for trouble? Those who say yes have already acquiesced to the intimidation of Islam and voluntarily forfeited their own rights.
The “protesters” have many forums to express their Fascist views without trying to disrupt and silence those who they disagree with.
Jay Boo says
Better a Donald Duck quack than a Hillary the Witch.
Donald has some strong points but,
I wonder if it is all a Muslim Stealth Jihad setup.
A lot plays into Hillary’s strategy.
Donald from liberal Blue state NY where Hillary has no threat.
Hillary from the south where she can toss out her y’all vote for me against a brash New Yorker.
Donald’s loud Pizazz to distract from Hillary’s sleaze factor.
Sam says
Terror (Muslim, Leftist, Socialist, it is the same to me) has been intensified and Trump has given in to terror without realizing that he was himself helping terror when he was criticizing Pam Geller for the cartoons. Lets see how he will handle being silenced himself by tugs.
USA is in danger of loosing it’s freedom as majority of the population, left or right, does dot understand what the hell is going on. We are losing our freedom everyday more and more and more. Strange!!!
poptoy1949 says
What happened in Chicago is in NO – Way the Fault of Mr. Donald trump but is entirely the fault of one George Soros. Plain and Simple.
Dean says
Trump’s comments about the Garland event was shameful. There can be no hesitation to defend everyone’s freedom of speech and Trump doesn’t exhibit any real understanding of the importance of this right except as it affects him. HOWEVER the response of his Republican opponents to the attacks on Trump rallies is even more shameful. Those idiots don’t realize that this means of attacking unacceptable political speech by the newest version of fascist brown shirts is right out of the Obama and Progressive play book. This is only a warm-up against the American frontrunner and we can expect even more against whomever is the Republican/American candidate in the general. Then what will they say whether it is Trump or someone else. Scalia would instruct Cruz that the original intent was just about anything is OK so long as it is done on your own time and on your own dime. That is exactly what Pam and Robert were doing in Garland and what is happening at the political rallies. What we are witnessing now is the result of the living Constitution judges that have moved the territory because for them protest speech trumps privacy and property rights. As a result it is very difficult to prosecute these goons and we are going to experience their irrationality in action.
Johnmann says
Let’s not forget “trade imbalance,” as the underlying nexus issue of this election. Sure immigration, welfare, Obamacare are huge elements of the debate… but today’s high unemployment (permanent unemployment; that is, those millions “outside the workforce”), loss of industry to other countries, decades of decline from NAFTA, lack of wage increases, decline in overall standard of living, middle class bled dry… are a direct result of rotten trade agreements with other countries.
Trump has been the voice of this issue, and is the only person capable of solving it as President.
vcragain says
Trump is the one with the foul mouth who started all this crazy stuff – anyone who supports him is an idiot – he has “Mein Kampf” on his bedside table – what do you all think he represents ??????
So now this website is pro-Nazi too ? Is that what you want Robert ?
Well I read this newsletter for the reporting of Muslim behavior not for the comments of people with tiny brains and I fear Robert will lose out if he allows them to take over.
Myxlplik says
Vcragain,
You are the one who shouldn’t be fooled, folks with links to ISIS are bum rushing the stage, showing up at his rallies with projectiles intended for Trump, and shouting obscenities etc etc. If I showed up at a Bernie rally yelling obscenities, flipping birds, armed with projectiles, rushing the stage I’d be expecting physical violence…. Hey, wait a minute the folks doing this might be expecting and provoking a confrontation?
It’s just another, in a long line of tactics aimed at changing the subject, don’t be stupid… it’s “wag the dog 101A”
sidney penny says
Rubio is using the word BUT
I thought that Muslims only use the word BUT
And Rubio is not Muslim.
so where did Rubio learn to use BUT?
Richard Paulsen says
Muslim invaders used weapons to invade Europe historically.However failed. Now they just have to say “asylum” and have succeded like ever before and seemingly without being stopped.
Susan Finley says
This is the last ditch efforts of the democratic & republican establishments along with the ignorant black lives matter agenda including Al Sharpton & his Islamic friends who all know Trump is right. Don’t be fooled by these anti freedom groups who can’t stand the thought they could all loose their radical control over Americans.
Peter Brock says
“…After stating his appreciation for Chicago’s police, Rubio said that the protests needed to be put in contest.”
Er, “contest”?!
ConteSt?
Accuracy isn’t important! It’s EVERYTHING!
Dean says
Carolyne makes a great point. I expected from his first day in office that Obama would use every trick in the leftwing, Marxists, progressive playbook to try to retain power and exceed power whenever and wherever possible. I am sure that it is a fantasy of his to create enough discord and chaos that the civil unrest can justify cancelling the elections and he can declare martial law to restore order. I don’t think we are that far gone and his efforts can succeed but we are going to see them take a shot at it this year. He would have to use the military and I think Americanism is too entrenched there. The riots in Florida over Martin and in Ferguson were orchestrated not only by private leftwing organizations but also the Obama administration. they were just test runs as was Chicago against Trump. In addition to the shameful failure of Trump’s opposing candidates’ attempt to blame him for this that suppression of his free speech, those morons don’t seem to realize that it is waiting for them if they become frontrunner of stumble upon the nomination.
OldVeteran says
Overall, I was disappointed when Donald didn’t DEFEND Pamela and Robert in our Draw Muhammed Art contest (I also submitted a drawing (#157)) So I was at ends when Robert and Pamela were left hanging. I think perhaps Donald sees only too well the type of leftists-muslim-commie-Hilary idiocy. I have READ DONALD’s 5 POSITION PAPERS ON HIS CAMPAGING 2016 WEBSITE – click on POSITIONS and read them: Immigration, China Trade, Veterans, Second Amendment, Tax Reform. Overall, ambitious goals,which I hope he and the AMERICAN PEOPLE will rally with, and push forth taking our country back from ISLAMISTS OBAMA and HILARY. ILLEGAL foreigners have NO RIGHT TO AMERICA, to our tax funded charity as we ignore our own hungary and homeless. Take care of AMERICANS first, and send illegals back to BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THEIR OWN COUNTRIES. Let them go and INSIST ON THIS FROM THEIR OWN GOVERNMENTS. Not ours.
Libertyphobic says
M y papi used to say “If your taking a lot of FLAK you must be over the target” Videos, drawings, rallies, = FREEDOM OF SPEACH——–be vigilant and keep a keen sword
UNCLE VLADDI says
So these disgusting glibalist shill RINOs must also blame Trump for how Bernie’s mad mobs of brown shirts (or was that shirtless blacks?) MURDERED A BLACK TRUMP SUPPORTER IN CHICAGO, too?!
http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/breaking-black-trump-supporter-shot-and-killed-by-chicago-protesters/
Dean says
A micro-aggression is saying anything that hurts the feelings of select infantile groups. They killed this man because they were upset by something Trump said, and maybe just his existence. Therefore, someone will blame Trump for his death as well.
Myxlplik says
They killed him because Blacks are supposed to be slaves to the Federal government, which freed them. The second one realizes that emancipation is a two sided coin, they become an enemy of that State, and the others who are still enslaved by it.
Nealstar says
“… the protests needed to be put in contest.”
In contest? Would that be in Febuary at the libary where someone could contact a disease? Doesn’t anyone, whose native language is English, edit these articles?
Nealstar says
“…you don’t have a right to take away the First Amendment right of people to speak freely. I think you’ve seen some of this on college campuses recently.”
You think? You don’t know for sure? Where do you live in the back room of a massage parlor where they slip food to you under the door?
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Why is no one defending the Trump supporter’s right to free speech? He stated, ‘Next time we may have to kill him’. At the time of this statement, he brandished no weapon. He was not intoxicated or mentally unbalanced. He did not state he had a plan of any kind to effect his speech.
When The Donald responded to [idiot] Mike Wallace today, he started out marvelously. ‘The people who attend my rallies are angry. They’ve lost their jobs, their rights and their safety’, he said (or words to that effect). Unfortunately, my man did not go on to ask, ‘What about OUR right to free speech?’. Unusually for Trump-he stayed on the defensive. That was a tactical error.
The Trump supporter who said, ‘Next time we might need to kill him’ has a [protected] 1st Amendment right to say what he did. This is ‘political speech’. And it is accorded the highest level of protection of ANY type of speech.
Now why does political speech get the absolute tip-top level of protection, even above that accorded to religious speech? Simple. It’s because it IS-commonly-heated, passionate, hyperbolic and extreme. For example, it is not unusual to hear people scream, threaten and yell at each other at a political convention.
But our 1st Amendment has already been so emasculated and feminized, that nobody points out all of the aforementioned. Even Robert, in his intro, cedes vital ground a la: ‘No one should ever call for violence, even jokingly, in these overheated times’.
‘Congress shall make no law…abridging freedom of speech’. NO law. When we-the-people preemptively censor ourselves, robust speech is already ‘chilled and deterred’. Let’s restore the original, shall we?
And oh: Bear in mind that none-not one-of the BLM disrupters-has been charged with anything. This, despite the fact that ALL of their speech, is: Screamed, accompanied by obscenities, ‘in the face’ of their targets., etc. Most incredible of all: Every single one of these protesters candidly states that they are present, NOT to voice opposition; but to-and I quote-‘Shut It Down’ (reference is to the Trump event they are attending.). THAT is a direct violation to OUR ‘freedom of assembly’ and as such, is actionable in law.
But we’ve not heard of any pending indictments of the BLM crowd, have we?
Nealstar says
Hizzonor, Mayor Richard J. Daley handled the Commie miscreants much differently in Chicago during the DNC in 1968 and said, “The police aren’t here to create disorder, they’re here to preserve it. How far we slipped in just under half a century.
Nealstar says
Nobody stood up to them? Nobody? Weren’t there any men in the crowd? Nobody from Bridgeport, Cicero, Skokie? Look back at 1977 when the American Nazi Party wanted to march through the predominantly Jewish suburb of Skokie and what the JDL’s response was. See the documentary “Skokie:Invaded, but not Conquered”.
As Edmund Burke so accurately put it over two centuries ago, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” That of course presumes that the males are men and that if they are not necessarily good, they are, at least, not bad.