“The menace of terrorism poses a threat to civilization and Algeria, while fighting terrorism, doesn’t associate it with Islam,” said Sellal. Good. Now if only he could convince the terrorists themselves not to do so. But in that effort, he faces some obstacles:
“We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 3:151)
“When your Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast terror into the unbelievers’ hearts; so strike above the necks, and strike every finger of them!” (Qur’an 8:12)
“Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror thereby into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.” (Qur’an 8:60)
If the “terror” that is mentioned in Qur’an 3:151, 8:12, and 8:60 is something other than the terror that is caused by terrorism, where exactly in Islamic scripture or tradition is this distinction found, and what exactly is the difference between the terror that Muslims are told by Allah to strike in the hearts of unbelievers and terrorism as jihadis practice it today?
“Violent extremism has nothing to do with Islam – Algerian PM,” KUNA, April 10, 2016:
ALGIERS, April 10 (KUNA) — Prime Minister Abdulmalek Sellal affirmed Sunday that terrorism and extremism have nothing to do with Noble Islam.
“The menace of terrorism poses a threat to civilization and Algeria, while fighting terrorism, doesn’t associate it with Islam,” he said at a joint press conference with his French counterpart Manuel Valls at the end of the French-Algerian High-level Intergovernmental Committee (CIHN).
He called for concerted efforts by the international community to protect security of all countries and remove the root causes of terrorism including hatred and malice….
On his part, Valls said the relationship between Algeria and France is made of frankness and sincerity, but also common view on many subjects….
Regarding terrorism, Valls said that the international community “should have understood better what was happening in Algeria in early 1990s and its difficult choices.
“Algeria has suffered for several years. We should have had a better understanding of what happened in Algeria in the early 1990s,” Valls noted.
“Algeria and the Algerians fought bravely terrorism, we must remember it,” he added.
Yesterday Valls started a two-day visit to Algeria to co-chair with Sellal the third CIHN session.

Jerry says
These repeated denials of islam’s culpability with regard to terrorism is itself an admission of its close association with it. They never offer any good evidence to counter the obvious connection between islam’s doctrinal jihad and jihad in the real world. It’s only that islam didn’t do it and we’re racist bigot islamophobes. This has become such an obnoxious lie that it’s tantamount to a passive aggressive spitting in our face. Reason and fair judgment is never part of their denials, the facts are conveniently overlooked, and it’s all our fault.
But these traitors of humanity are running out of time. The tide is turning and they know it. The incitement to violence and prejudice in islam is clearly the source of all this terror and to defend it is to defend evil. That old Lincoln saying just popped into my head,
You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Well dear traitors, we’ve reached the point where you can’t fool any of the people any of the time. It’s best you step back in humility and let the good people do their work. No apologist for evil is going to lead me to the promised land of peace and prosperity, of this I am quite sure.
mortimer says
Jerry wrote: “these repeated denials”
A vehement denial without justifying evidence is called the Fallacy of Excluded Evidence or ‘stacking the deck’ or Argument by Dismissal. A vehement denial is perhaps the strongest (and only) argument that many Islamo-whitewashers have. Muslims use this technique all the time. Be prepared to call it out.
The evidence that Islam actually supports terrorism and supremacist warfare against the disbelievers is OVERWHELMING in the Koran, hadiths, Sira, canonical commentaries, Sharia law and the fatwas of sheikhs kept in libraries at Al Azhar University. To deny that is to exclude massive evidence that affirms that Islam indeed calls for jihad warfare and terrorism.
The vehement (and unsubstantiated) denial of the Algerian prime minister is no doubt the only argument he actually has. As a well-informed Muslim, he will not that. He is thus making a bald-faced lie.
Most Muslims use this shocking technique in debate even though it is preposterous. Vehement denial is surprising, stunning, emotional and often not answered, thus making Muslims feel they ‘won the argument’ by their bluff. That is not true, since Muslims have not really ‘won’ an argument because their opponent was unprepared to recognize and identify the Fallacy of Excluded Evidence. If an opposing debater is prepared, Muslims will lose the ‘vehement denial fallacy’ immediately and every time.
For instance, we should say to vehement deniers the following: ‘You have not proved your claim. You have merely made a claim of denial…a claim that is not supported by any evidence. To the contrary, you have merely excluded the evidence that disproves your denial.’
In this case, the denial is disproved, since 21% of the hadiths, 24% of the Koran of Medina, 67% of the Sira and 31% of all Islam’s foundational texts are concerned with jihad.
During the last 9 years of Mohammed’s life, he was involved in an event of violence every 6 weeks. When he died every Arab was a Muslim. Mohammed succeeded through politics, not religion.
The evidence is overwhelming that foundational Islam teaches warfare against the disbelievers and terrorism.
mortimer says
correction: As a well-informed Muslim, the PM of Algeria will KNOW that… (jihad terrorism is part of Islam’s foundational texts).
Fessitude says
We should reasonably assume all Muslims are “informed” enough to know damn well that Islam and terrrorism are joined at the hip. A Muslim doesn’t have to “study” Islam to know this; his or her Islamo-cultural atmospherics are as rich in this as the air is in nitrogen.
Angemon says
Fessitudeposted:
“A Muslim doesn’t have to “study” Islam to know this; his or her Islamo-cultural atmospherics are as rich in this as the air is in nitrogen.”
Yes, those newborn babies automatically, perhaps magically, learn that jihad, manifested in the form of terrorism, is part of islam’s foundational texts without ever coming into contact with said texts. And what’s to say of Western converts? As soon as they pronounce the shahada they magically become aware of it as well, via the “atmospherics”…
linnte says
Excellent advice. I will remember this. Thanks Mortimer.
heidi says
another reader also submitted this poem on a reading of “the spider and the fly” which is a wonderful analogy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EJDP6va9uc reminded me also of Trump reading the snake poem: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-snake-poem-2016-1
mortimer says
“Turhibunna!” (terrorize them) – Koran 8.60
“Violent extremism has nothing to do with Islam – Algerian PM
Obviously, Islam has NOTHING to do with Islam.
However, in reality, Islam is highly codified and there is no private interpretation of Islam. Islam is no more and no less than the ‘consensus’ of Islam (provided by Al Azhar University).
The Algerian PM is creating his personal version of Islam…Islam-à-la-carte. It is impermissible for him to leave out jihadism from normative Islam. That is kufr (heresy). He is a blasphemer…a kafir.
mortimer says
Someone should ask Prime Minister Abdulmalek Sellal whether he agrees with the fatwas of Al Azhar University regarding the permissibility of suicide attacks against kafirs.
sham says
IS AND OTHER TERRORIST GROUP COMPLETELY BROKEN ALL THE PEACEFUL LAW:
Forbade mutilation [cutting body parts]
Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4294
Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action………
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 654
Do not mutile dead bodies:
Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2661
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to exhort us to give alms (sadaqah) and forbid us to mutilate (a slain). I then came to Imran ibn Husayn and asked him. He said: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to exhort us to give alms (sadaqah) and forbid us to mutilate (a slain).
Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2667
Narrated Hamzah al-Aslami:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) appointed him commander over a detachment. He said: I went out along with it. He (the Prophet) said: If you find so-and-so, burn him with the fire. I then turned away, and he called me. So I returned to him, and he said: If you find so-and-so, kill him, and do not burn him, for no one punishes with fire except the Lord of the fire.
Suicide prohibited: reward of suicide is hell
4: 29. O you who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves unjustly except it be a trade amongst you, by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allah is Most Merciful to you.
4: 30. And whoever commits that through aggression and injustice, We shall cast him into the Fire, and that is easy for Allah.
39: 53. Say: “O ‘Ibâdî (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allâh, verily Allâh forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 23 :: Hadith 445
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak:
The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, “Whoever intentionally swears falsely by a religion other than Islam, then he is what he has said, (e.g. if he says, ‘If such thing is not true then I am a Jew,’ he is really a Jew). And whoever commits suicide with piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire.” Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.”
FIGHTING BETWEEN SECT PROHIBITED:
8: 46. And obey Allâh and His Messenger, and do not dispute (with one another) lest you lose courage and your strength depart, and be patient. Surely, Allâh is with those who are As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.).
Muslim :: Book 39 : Hadith 6752
Jabir reported: I heard Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily, the Satan has lost all hopes that the worshippers would ever worship (him) in the peninsula of Arabia, but he (is hopeful) that he would sow the seed of dissension amongst them.
Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 114
Narrated Said bin Jubair:
The people of Kufa disagreed (disputed) about the above Verse. So I went to Ibn Abbas and asked him about it. He said, “This Verse:– “And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell.” was revealed last of all (concerning premeditated murder) and nothing abrogated it.”
Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 23 :: Hadith 428
Narrated ‘Uqba bin ‘Amir:
One day the Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayers of the martyrs of Uhud and then went up the pulpit and said, “I will pave the way for you as your predecessor and will be a witness on you. By Allah! I see my Fount (Kauthar) just now and I have been given the keys of all the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth). By Allah! I am not afraid that you will worship others along with Allah after my death, but I am afraid that you will fight with one another for the worldly things.”
PUBLIC PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHT TO PUNISH THE PEOPLE:
Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 173
It is narrated on the authority of Miqdad b. Aswad that he said. Messenger of Allah, you just see (here is a point): If I encountered a person amongst the infidels (in the battlefield) and he attacked me and struck me and cut off one of my hands with the sword. Then he (in order to protect himself from me) took shelter of a tree and said: I become Muslim for Allah’s sake. Messenger of Allah, can I kill him after he had uttered this? The Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) said: Do not kill him. I (the narrator) said: Messenger of Allah, he cut off my hand and uttered this after amputating it; should I then kill him? The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Don’t kill him, for I you kill him, verily he would be in a position where you had been before killing him and verily you would be in a position where he had been before uttering (kalima).
Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.10.19
Yahya said that Malik was asked whether someone who killed one of the enemy could keep the man’s effects without the permission of the Imam. He said, “No one can do that without the permission of the Imam. Only the Imam can make ijtihad. I have not heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, ever said, ‘Whoever kills someone can have his effects,’ on any other day than the day of Hunayn.”
Muslim :: Book 9 : Hadith 3569
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Sa’d b. ‘Ubada al-Ansari said: Messenger of Allah, tell the if a man finds his wife with another person, should he kill him? Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: No. Sa’d said: Why not? I swear by Him Who has honoured you with Truth. There upon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Listen to what your chief says.
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 82 :: Hadith 829
Narrated Al-Mughira:
Sa’d bin Ubada said, “If I found a man with my wife, I would kill him with the sharp side of my sword.” When the Prophet heard that he said, “Do you wonder at Sa’d’s sense of ghira (self-respect)? Verily, I have more sense of ghira than Sa’d, and Allah has more sense of ghira than I.”
ETC
Jay Boo says
Flattery to a Muslim is like gasoline to a fire.
(Peace Prize) winner Obama is killing them with kindness
(Cairo Speech) Obama has killed far more Muslims than any other President.
Obama has incited to be killed more non-Muslims than any other President.
As soon as he began fawning over Muslims with unbridled flattery and backing Islamic fanatics from North Africa to Indonesia.
Marty says
Sociologists might suggest that this gent is suffering from cognitive dissonance.
Us more everyday types would describe him as a typical lying mohammedan SOB.
Angemon says
How’s that working out for you?
Fessitude says
“Algeria, while fighting terrorism, doesn’t associate it with Islam”
Show me one Muslim who is “fighting terrorism” who doesn’t agree with the Muslim Prime Minister of Algeria. One would be able to find a few who claim, with elaborate sophistry full of holes to the discerning eye, that terrorism is “associated with” Islam (e.g., Maajid Nawaz, Zuhdi Jasser, Asra Nomani, Tarek Fatah, et Al); but not in a way that reflects reason and honesty.
dumbledoresarmy says
ah yes, Algeria, and the war in Algeria between the More-Islamic-Than-Thou and the somewhat-less-Islamic, that broke out – with incredible ferocity – the moment they gained independence from the French.
Conor Cruise O’Brien had something to say about that war, about Algeria, about Islam.
Here’s what he said, back in 1995.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-lesson-of-algeria-islam-is-indivisible-1566770.html
CONOR CRUISE O’BRIEN
Friday 6 January 1995
The lesson of Algeria: Islam is indivisible
“Fundamentalist Islam” is a misnomer which dulls our perceptions in a dangerous way.
“It does so by implying that there is some other kind of Islam, which is well disposed to those who reject the Koran.
“There isn’t.
“Islam is a universalist, triumphalist and political religion. It claims de jure dominion over all humanity; that is God’s will. [sic: allah’s – dda]. The actual state of affairs, with unbelievers of various sorts dominating most of the world, is a suspension of God’s [sic: allah’s – dda] will and a scandal to the faithful. The world is divided between the House of Islam and the House of War, meaning the rest of us…”.
If you’ve never read this classic piece by the astute and fearless Conor Cruise O’Brien, click on the link and read it now. Then copy the whole article onto your own computer or other electronic device, and keep it up your sleeve, for future reference, and to share as widely as possible across social media. And print it out onto paper and keep copies of *that*, also to share.
Conor Cruise O’Brien was not fooled. Conor Cruise O’Brien knew *exactly* what Islam was and is. And he tells it like it is, with admirable brevity and clarity.
Jay Boo says
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