The “second annunciation,” to Muhammad, is pivotal in Islam, marking the beginning of his call as prophet. It is also one of the most significant and revealing facts about Islam, one which deserves some exploration.
In addition to being Good Friday for Western Christians, last Friday was March 25, the Feast of the Annunciation of the Archangel Gabriel to the Virgin Mary, recounted in the Gospel according to Luke (1:24-38). This event is pivotal, marking the beginning of the Incarnation and God’s plan of salvation. From Luke’s Gospel:
Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary.
And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”
But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was.
Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.
“He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
“Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren. For with God nothing will be impossible.”
Then Mary said, “Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.
It is interesting that the Gospel describes the angel Gabriel comforting the initially troubled maiden; he wishes to immediately reassure her, describing the ineffable mystery of the conception of the Son of God, as well as offering confirmation of the validity of his annunciation through the news of Mary’s cousin Elizabeth, who is nearing the third trimester of her own miraculous pregnancy, “for with God, nothing will be impossible.” There is no pressure, no coercion, and certainly no terror. Mary was free to decline to cooperate with the message brought to her about her role in God’s plan. Her humble acceptance sets the Christian revelation in motion.
The Second Annunciation
Islam also begins with an annunciation of sorts, to Muhammad, coincidentally also by a spirit being identified in Islam as the angel Jibril (Gabriel). Only the nature and outcome of that annunciation is quite different from the one to the Virgin Mary six centuries earlier.
Just as in the first annunciation, this ‘second annunciation’, to Muhammad, is pivotal in Islam, marking the beginning of his call as prophet. It is also one of the most significant and revealing facts about Islam, one which deserves some exploration.
The first point which needs to be made is the apparent purpose of the second annunciation. This second annunciation unleashed a force which has sought to sweep away the entire Christian Revelation, sought to replace the first and true annunciation, while conquering the world for Allah.
The theological assault of Islam upon Christianity (what I term “theological jihad”) has been treated quite thoroughly elsewhere. What I wish to focus on here, is precisely the character of this second annunciation, in which — according to the claims of Islamic source texts and dogma — the Archangel Gabriel came to Muhammad, setting in motion the religion of Islam.
Before we consider this “second annunciation,” we should first note the correspondence between the Virgin Mary and Muhammad. The Virgin Mary bore the Word of God made flesh, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. Muhammad claimed to have brought the words of God in book form, the Qur’an, which Islam teaches pre-existed in perfect form with Allah before all the ages, in what Islam calls the “Mother of the Book.” Thus, although we can rightly compare Jesus and Muhammad in considering the character and heart of Christianity vis a vis that of Islam, the actual theological equivalence is between Jesus and the Qur’an, and between the Virgin Mary and Muhammad.
But what is the nature of this second annunciation? How does it comport with the first? What was its effect upon the recipient? How did the spiritual being which came to Muhammad approach him? How did Muhammad respond? Can we discern anything from the answers to these questions?
Jibril — angel or demon?
The first “revelation” brought by the spiritual being (which Islam teaches was the Archangel Gabriel) was an overpowering, forceful and terrifying event, which occurred after Muhammad had spent many days and nights alone in a cave in Hira, worshipping Allah. The powerful spirit being which commanded him to “read and recite” was frightening: Three times, Muhammad related, “He pressed upon me so tightly I thought it was death” (Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, trans. by A. Guillaume, New York, 1980, p106. cf. Hadith from Sahih Bukhari, 5:96:5).
Significantly, Muhammad himself did not at first believe he was being visited by the archangel Gabriel, thinking rather that he was a victim of a jinn (from which we get the word “genie”) or demon. He fled trembling back to his wife Khadija, fearing for his life, crying, “Woe is me, poet [that is, oppressed by demonic visions] or possessed!” (Ishaq, p106)
Muhammad became fearful and suicidal, but was eventually persuaded by his wife Khadija and her uncle Waraqa (a Nestorian heretic) that the messages were from God and that he was Allah’s chosen messenger.
Khadija is credited with being the first Muslim. That Muhammad then actively sought further encounters with the being which assailed him is testimony to his willingness to open himself up to the unseen realm. That he was so easily convinced by his wife and uncle (and the forceful “being”) that he was specially chosen by God and was not demonically oppressed or possessed shows that vainglory and satanic deception had totally seized control of his mind and heart.
After this harrowing initial visitation, there was a three year drought of “revelations,” during which Muhammad suffered from suicidal depression and self-doubt. (Ishaq, p106. See also this article at Answering Islam.)
By the time the “revelations” resumed, Muhammad was predisposed to accept them no matter the cost. He identified himself with the revelations, wholly placed his self-worth in being the recipient of them.
Muhammad — a UFO “contactee”?
This is an interesting point, as Muhammad’s response to the spirit being Jibril and its fierce and deadly assault upon him closely parallels the experiences of today’s UFO contactees and abductees. People who have seen a UFO, and especially those who claim a “close encounter,” or to have been abducted, often suffer from severe psychological trauma, depression, suicidal tendencies, delusions and more. A very small number become acclimated to the monstrous experience they have had, and some of them, like the hapless Whitley Streiber, write books or otherwise aid in promoting the demons’ UFO myth of a coming Great Disclosure and a new age to follow. Uncanny how the UFO contactee phenomenon parallels the early career of Muhammad.
The nature of the annunciation to Muhammad
Even this brief study reveals the “annunciation” to Muhammad to be demonic in origin. Thus it is quite clear that Muhammad was worse than just a false prophet and a fraud, but rather became a willing and cooperative victim of demonic deception, if not outright demon possession.
We know the rest of the story, all from Islamic source texts: Muhammad the warlord who beheaded over 800 Jews after one battle victory; the pedophile who married the child Ayesha when she was six years old, “consummating the marriage with her when she was nine years old; the lusty prophet who had eleven wives plus sex-slave concubines captured as war booty from defeated enemies; his numerous sexual perversions; the violent history of his successors, who waged war amongst themselves even as Islam was spreading itself through jihad across the Middle East and North Africa; and the ensuing thirteen centuries of bloody and ruthless Islamic jihad and sharia which multiplies its atrocities all around the globe, including now in Europe and America.
All this reveals precisely the nature of this second annunciation.
By their fruits you shall know them.
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Ralph Sidway is an Orthodox Christian researcher and writer, and author of Facing Islam: What the Ancient Church has to say about the Religion of Muhammad. He operates the Facing Islam blog.
Angemon says
Right? It’s astonishing what’s left after we take the “divine” out of muhammad.
mortimer says
Scholars have noted all the parallels from Zoroastrian, Jewish and Christian writings and hetero-canonical writings that mysteriously crop up in the Koran. They assume a number of things: 1) the documents were purposely copied from little known texts found by the Koran’s editors, 2) a captured Jewish or Christian scholar intentionally misled Mohammed or whoever the author(s) of the Koran was, 3) the stories were circulating orally in a non-literate culture from the mouths of professional story tellers and were imperfectly remembered by the Koranic writer(s).
There will probably never be a convincing explanation of the origin of the Koran, because the perpetrators of this fraudulent text didn’t leave a letter of confession.
mortimer says
The supposed explanation for the Koran, including the entire biography of Mohammed has so many discrepancies in it that modern Koran scholars believe all the stories about Mohammed were invented to fill in a gaping LACUNA of information and FABRICATE a prophet so that Arabs could believe they had been called to RULE THE WORLD politically.
None of Islam has much credibility because it has no historicity, appearing as it did between 60 and 250 years after the death of Mohammed…even the date of his death is in dispute.
ECAW says
Mortimer, perhaps you have come across this recent addition to the archaeological record regarding the Koran:
http://counterjihadreport.com/2016/04/01/ancient-quran-discovery-proves-islam-really-is-a-religion-of-peace/
Rev g says
A must read! Knowing, of course, that it is humor. The implied truth needs more exposure.
linnte says
Wouldn’t it be awesome if it was true and told to the world? Hahahahahahaha!
Ahem says
@ ECAW
That brief article was an April fool joke (as indicated at the bottom of the page).
ECAW says
No kidding.
Shane says
I like the idea that Muhammad was possessed by a demon, as his behavior after his meeting with Gerbil was demonic.
Mirren10 says
That’s an absolute yell, ECAW ! 🙂
Sandra Lee Smith says
I propose a 4th alternative: Satan masquerading as an angel of light (claiming to be Gabriel, but showing none of the characteristics of Gabriel’s other recorded visitations with humans), who is fully conversant in the Holy Scriptures as well as the writings of other cultic groups which he most likely influenced as well, gave Muhammad the “inspiration” for his Quran!
rabrooks says
Yes, and even knowing all this, they still label him “prophet”. He demanded that people accept him as a prophet. Those who disagreed were hunted dow and killed. Such was the fate of his Jewish followers.. Christ never demanded that anyone call him prophet. Christ never raped, kidnapped, robbed, enslaved or even injured anyone. Nor does he derive fame from such actions.
awake says
Bingo!
The textbook definition of a false prophet, as was foretold.
Rev g says
Absolutely!
Jo kent says
All your high degrees of studies and beautiful writing means nothing .The essence of Islam is basic”CONVERT TO THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION ISLAM OR DIE BY OUR SWORD” I just love the writings of comments on face book. Now tell me what percent of Muslims actually read them in Saudia Arabia,Parkistan,Egypt,Libya.Yemen etc,etc Await you reply????
gravenimage says
Nothing Ralph Sidway wrote contradicts what you wrote. I’m not sure what your problem with his article is.
Sandra Lee Smith says
The Divine was never in him, to be taken out! Had He been, Muhammad couldn’t have so easily fallen prey to this deception!
Kepha says
Good article, Ralph. Martin Luther once called the devil “God’s ape”.
My guess is that Muhammad may have heard the Gospel of Luke read during his business trips to the Fertile Crescent, or perhaps even in Arabia itself. Clearly, the Qur’an’s treatment of Zacharias’ reponse to the birth of John the Baptist and the Qur’anic material concerning Mary and John the Baptist seem to exhibit some familiarity with portions of Luke. I’m not saying that Muhammad understood Luke; just that he may have made use of portions of it that he had heard (presumbaly in Syriac?).
As for the UFO contactees, they’re the “simple believers” in Evolutionary Materialism receiving their visions of the superman (in the Nietzchean, not Marvel Comics, sense), which the degreed, credentialed, vestments-wearing (lab coats) official “priests” of the same religion have not been privileged to receive. Bee-boo bee-boo- bee-boo-bee-boo-beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! (Twighlight Zone music).
Will Doohan says
Superman a Marvel comics character? Heresy! Heresy I say! 😀
Mickey says
I read “An Exorcist Tells His Story” by Fr. Gabriel Amorth and knew right away after reading the book that Muhammad was a victim ( a willing victim) of demonic influence and/or possession.
His “religion” remains with us 1400 years later causing the World much grief.
Islam: a religion demonic origin, not a religion of peace.
Hope says
Every day I learn something more about Islam. Thank you for today’s lesson, Ralph Sidway.
Jay Boo says
Islam is like a chameleon that incorporates elements of many other religions into a mishmash to claim credit and gain our trust that Muslims are in some ways just like us.
Islam has two faces for duplicity.
Like the dry, barren moon that stalks our earth in circles at night, Islam tries to steal all the credit from each star’s reflected light.
But, it always hides one face from our view while it lurks in the dead of night and then it disappears in the clear of daylight.
Jay Boo says
“The powerful spirit being which commanded him to “read and recite” was frightening: Three times, Muhammad related, “He pressed upon me so tightly I thought it was death”
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When examined closely. Muhammad’s Freudian slips are more of an unintentional CONFESSION than a REVELLATION
Exodus from Medina
Desert spirits spoke in twisted verse, a dance of words to recite, to recite.
Medina’s false prophet this rehearsed in a dark cave near Mecca veiled by night.
But, the angel Gabriel saw his descent, and said — “Pawn of Satan turn, repent, repent.”
Muhammad’s attempts to partner with his sock-puppet Allah were dredged up from the lowest pit of his vanity.
Islam’s infected creed was fertilized by a sociopath’s made-up dream.
Bloodied hands are now washed before prayers that incite as hate speech to recite, to recite.
Whenever, false humility makes a hajj to Satan’s curse,
Islam’s dead Serpent crawls out from his stockpile of vile, veiled verse.
Keys says
Jay Boo-
Love the poetry! It brings some beauty to so much ugliness.
Jerry has a good poem as well, if you have not seen it, posted with the horrendous stoning article from today.
Jay Boo says
Thanks Keys
I had a much better version but I clicked on an old version by mistake. I was only recently able to locate it so I will have to save it for another time.
I liked Jerry’s poem. I need to use that poem as an example.
RiseAKnight says
I think Mohammed was visited by an angel. That angel was Lucifer. And Lucifer is Islam’s Allah. If you’ll notice … the word for Allah in Arabic graphic script is a serpent. Just GOOGLE “allah arabic serpent” to see what I mean. Mohammed said; “Allah is the greatest of all deceivers.” Satan/Lucifer … The Great Deceiver.
http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Satan,-As-Deceiver
Lia says
And, somehow, his followers still have not grasped that he deceives them first and foremost.
celticwarriorcanada says
Muhammad: The Eastern Anti Christ! But Why does Pope Francis respect this Anti Christian Cult ?
Bonnie says
Because he is an Antichrist as well. Anti means in opposition, against. The teachings of the RCC stand in direct opposition to what Jesus taught. Jesus taught absolute obedience to his God and Father, he did not teach idol worship and honoring Mary as the queen of heaven.
Sandra Lee Smith says
The Jesuit order was sent out originally to destroy the Jews, in order to stop their Messiah from coming, and to stop the Protestant Reformation, in order to usher in the “pure religion of Lucifer”, back in 1540.
linnte says
I think the man who wrote and put together the Qur’an, 200 years after Muhammad’s success at being a warrior for Allah, incorporated what he knew of Christian and Jewish doctrine into that book. And, because he really didn’t KNOW the exact scriptures wording, wrote what he THOUGHT it said, then expounded more due to his misconception of real scripture. He created a whole new religion based on his adoration of Muhammad’s rise to power. Being Arab, and having many bones to pick over the Jews and Christians, made a deliberate and evil book changing the Jesus into just another prophet.
There are many fans of fiction fantacy who form groups, and play out those fantasies, and anyone who quotes the book incorrectly is either dumped from the group, or shamed into a period of silence. The Qur’an is written deliberately with NO wiggle room for mistakes, else the loyal Muslim lose his place in Paradise. The more I learn about Islam, the more evident this becomes.
rev g says
Moe did pay the Jews of Mecca to teach him the Torah, but of course being illiterate prevented him from taking notes of any kind. If he misquoted them, he merely said that they had corrupted the tales, and he had gotten the correct versions from allah.
Susan B says
The koran is a lie built on lies as is mohammad and your false god allah. You do know that allah was an Arab pagan moon God????
linnte says
MY false god Allah? Who you talkin’ to Susan? Hahahaha! Allah can go screw himself and so can Muhammad! I was trying to say the Qur’an is a plagiarism of the Bible.
awake says
D- in reading comprehension in your comment.
Jim says
In “The Great Heresies”, historian Hiilaire Beloc considers ” Mohammedanism” to be a heresy of Catholicism. Of course, he was correct, and also prophesied it might rear its ugly head again, one day.
somehistory says
In all honesty, when someone says they are comparing Jesus Christ to that murderer, rapist, killer of children through torture, rape and beheading, ordering his tribe to copy this filth and worship of satan the devil, is like trying to compare heaven to chicken poop.
There is no comparison. Jesus and His Father are “higher than our thoughts, higher than our ways,” and cannot really be compared to satan and his filthy beast, islam.
The angel that spoke to Mary and explained about Christ to her did not go and speak to that vile creature of the desert…no matter how many his claims that Gabriel spoke to him. satan is a liar from the beginning and so are his children, liars.The devil was making an attempt to confuse the “good news about the Christ” and get people to follow him instead. And he was successful. But it all leads to death, early or late, death is the outcome for all who follow satan.
John spielman says
This ” second annunciation” to muhammed pbuh* is basically the dragon and the woman in Revelation where Satan tries to kill Jesus and destroy His church.
Islam is the antithesis of everything life light and righteous and holy and is a demonic doctrine of death darkness and evil
pbuh* perpetual banishment unto hell
linnte says
Agreed.
خَليفة says
Interesting Christian prince video…
Proves Islam is a fabrication
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lrxtZFtgMcI
According to sura 17:94-95 Allah only sends human messengers to humans, and Angel messengers to Angeks. So why did Allah send Jibril ( an angel ) to deliver a message from Allah ( the Koran) to Mohammed ( a human )?
ECAW says
17:94. And naught prevented mankind from believing when the guidance came unto them save that they said: Hath Allah sent a mortal as (His) messenger ?
17:95. Say: If there were in the earth angels walking secure, We had sent down for them from heaven an angel as messenger.
Can’t see your version in the original.
خَليفة says
My comment does not include the actual Koran verse, that’s why I said according to…
I give a summary of what you will discover by watching the video.
To understand a Koran verse, you must consult the Tafsirs
Islam is what YOU say it is, but what Mohammed says it is, the Tafsirs clarify what Mohammed meant.
Watch the video and you will understand.
خَليفة says
Correction: Islam is NOT what YOU say it is, but what Mohammed says it is.
The Koran cannot stand on its own, it needs the Tasfirs and Suna to be understood.
ECAW says
It seems that Islam is not what I say it is, nor what Mohammed says it is but what the Tafsirs say it is.
Even listening to the video in which the speaker repeats over and over the very simple point he makes in the first minute, I do not think his objection is more than linguistic nit-picking. A Muslim could easily say that Allah means mankind in general, not necessarily every man.
MikeT says
I too have been touched by his noodly appendage…
Get a grip people.
gravenimage says
Mike, it does not matter whether you believe Christianity or Islam to be true–it is about comparing their tenets, and comparing their fruits.
Surely you can grasp the difference between these faiths, even if you are not a believer?
Sam says
Thanks Robert for dealing with Islam and Jihad threat.
However, I can not read anymore about the stupidity behind this cult called Islam. Koran is not a holy book, it is garbage. Islam is insane and anybody who considers himself a muslim is either evil or 100% ignorant which most Muslims are. To be Muslim you have to submit to Sharia which would take my freedom that I cherish in America. I am against Islam, Jihad and yes totally against Muslims also. That is all I need to know to fight this evil.
moqi says
I don’t think Mo was visited by an angel/devil/aliens. He was just an insane evil piece of shit who peddled a good line to some ignorant greedy murderous goat herders. He bought out the worst in people because that was his forte.
gravenimage says
Certainly a strong possibility.
Custos Custodum says
Hearing voices – including voices commanding action – is a common symptom of schizophrenia.
There is no real tension between accepting that Mo may actually have “heard” voices, and saying that he was an evil, sick and depraved individual. One author described his personality as “Part Jim Jones, part John Gotti.”
citycat says
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you”
“The Holy Spirit will comfort you”
That’s a sort of the opposite type of a chat up line to the Qur’an’s lines.
Muslims oppose all religions
Satan will be born a Jew with an eye in the middle of his forehead, having a go at the Jews and the Third Eye Hindu tribe. Muslims are not allowed to look up, which organically produces positive stuff. Jesus will return and land on a mosque, save all Muslims and good Christians, jiyza payers i assume.
Jinns are not heavy and don’t hang around, they move fast, do their stuff and leg it.
Dark energies can’t hang around as much as wot light energies can. The Qur’an writers must have been warmongers.
Anyway, enthusiasm is all.
Mirren10 says
Your posts are becoming more and more incomprehensible.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Satan was created before humanity existed; he’s not going to be “born” at any time in any human race. He was an archangel who rebelled against Yhwh God, and was expelled from Heaven for that, along with the 1/3 of angels who chose to follow him in that rebellion.
Richard says
If you take all the religious mumbo-jumbo out of his encounters, what is obvious is that he suffered from schizophrenia and possibly other mental diseases. He became self-delusional but quite probably did not fully believe all the lies he conjured up.
ECAW says
Interesting that Ralph Sidway brings up the similarity between Mohammed’s (supposed) encounter with Jibril and (supposed) encounters of UFO contactees. Here is a similar passage from the first chapter of Ibn Ishaq’s biography of Mohammed about a (supposed) incident from his childhood:
Later, the apostle of Allah himself described what had happened. ‘Whilst I and my milk brother were pasturing some animals in the rear of our house, two men came to us dressed in white garments and bearing a golden platter full of snow. They took hold of me, opened my belly, extracted my heart, split it open and took out of it a black lump of blood which they threw away. Then they washed my heart and belly with snow, until they had purified them. Then one of them said to his companion, “Weigh him against one hundred of his people.” And he weighed me with them, but I proved heavier than they. Then he said, “Weigh him with one thousand of his people.” This he also did, and I was again found more heavy. After that he said, “Leave him; for if you were to weigh him against his whole nation, he would outweigh it.”
Bunyip says
Hi ECAW 🙂
There’s an interesting parallel between supposed divine visitations and “alien” encounters. These entities have been known throughout the ages as daimons (Greek), demons, jin, faeries, and more recently, aliens. Their names change, but the hallmarks of their manifestation remain the same- “glowing white garments” being a typical one.
There’s a really good book about it by Partick Harpur called “Daimonic Reality”.
P.S. Sorry I didn’t reply to you- I’m having email problems.
ECAW says
Thanks Bunyip. Best wishes.
William says
Islam came some 700 years AFTER Christianity, to then claim it was divine is just blasphemy as the bible clearly states that even if an angel from heaven gave a message contrary to the gospel let those people be accursed.
Bonnie says
“I, Jesus sent my angel to bear witness to you people of these things for the churches….”I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: “If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll.” Revelation 22:16-19.
vanhetgoor says
So, Mohammed was visited by an Alien. Seems logical. But why didn’t Mohammed get an anal probe? I think that could have been very useful for the Aliens. An anal probe with a build in satellite antenna, just like they had in South Park!
allahu snackbar says
Neither “annunciation” actually happened because angels and gods don’t exist.
andy says
What is this nonsense??? It’s hard enough fighting jihadist terror than having to face the Christian fundamentalist NONSENSE that this site pushes.
There’s no such thing as DEMONS or UFOs!!
this is so laughable it must be a joke
Rev g says
You not getting the memo doesn’t make something untrue.
Simple, verifiable, fact (for instance), there are a huge number of UFOs. There always will be unidentified flying objects. The nature of those objects is debatable, since they are unidentified.
Color you mistaken.
andy says
Listen fool. The christian fundamentalist nutter writing this post isn’t talking about unidentified flying objects. He’s referring to alien BEINGS from another planet and/or demons that SPOKE to this man.
It’s pretty grotesque that nutters like this are being given a platform to push their superstition in the guise of attacking another.
Rev g says
You clearly mentioned UFOs. Are you so feeble-minded that you cannot remember your own words?
It seems the terms “nutter” and “fool” are better affiliated with the name “andy” than with any other name here.
Just the facts.
Custos Custodum says
So let me get this straight: YOU want to decide what is and is not “SUPERSTITION” so as to deny someone a “platform”? This is precisely the Muslim supremacist approach:
“Anything we Muslims don’t like is superstition/kufr/shirk/ etc. and must be BANNED, and those saying/writing it must be murdered!”
In a free country, the remedy for bad speech is better speech, not censorship.
andy says
Wait, he’s an “orthodox” Christian? The only thing more frightening is an orthodox Jew or an orthodox Muslim. I suppose he believes Leviticus’ pronounced punishment for homosexuality ad that “women should be silent in church” and “never have authority over men’
He’s “Orthodox” right??
Gross
andy says
Yes Reverand G – i clearly mentioned UFO – but i’m not referring to meteroites or inexplicable meteriological events.
I’m referring to the UFOs that cart strange beings from other planets to this planet – as the AUTHOR is.
Learn some comprehension skills and stop trying to shift the argument to something utterly irrelevant.
Rev g says
I had no problem comprehending your writing, and commented appropriately.
Apparently you just can’t write worth a crap. Don’t blame others for your inability to express yourself.
Rev g says
Again with comments on things you do not comprehend. Leviticus was part of the covenant with the Jews, not part of the new and everlasting covenant ushered in by Christ.
Of course, orthodox merely means normal, accepted, etc….I am sure you are anything but orthodox, hence your dislike of the term.
staffsgt7 says
you guys forget the part where Mohamed ran and hid under his blankee. While a young woman, a virgin, was not afraid of her assignment in a time when she would have been stoned to death. the adult male – Mohamed – ran and hid under his blankee when nothing would have happened to him.
koran 96:1 talks of the spirit demanding mohammed read. An ‘all knowing deity’ is asking mohammed to read?! Why? Didn’t it know mohammed couldn’t read?
Bukhari:V1B1N3-V6B60N478 tells of the demand for mohammed to read, and also how the spirit was forceful to him and scared the crap out of him. ‘….Then mohamed the fraidy cat returned from that experience; the muscles between his neck and shoulders were trembling, and his heart beating severely. He went to Khadija and cried, ‘Cover me! Cover me.’ She did until his fear subsided. He said, ‘What’s wrong with me? I am afraid that something bad has happened to me.’ Khadija replied, ‘Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you….'”
(I can just picture this – an old man sniveling under his blankee! LMAO!)
When a young woman called Mary saw the Angel Gabriel she didn’t run home and hide under a blankee. She accepted what the Angel asked of her in a time when she would have been stoned to death. and mohamed loved stoning women so much he kept up the practice and his zombies keep it up to this day. While Jesus stopped a stoning of a woman.
Here we also see that his first wife is also telling us that allah was what she worshiped – the pagan religion of mohammed ibn ABDALLAH (his father’s name). At the time all this happened the pagans were worshiping all those statues and running around the kabaa in the nude.
Similar verses in Muslim C74B1N301 and Tabari VI:67. In Tabari, it says the spirit identified itself as the Angel Gabriel, but Tabari is a supposed less reliable source than the rest of them. I don’t know – the whole thing, including the koran isn’t too reliable for too much except for a book on military tactics against non-moslems. The koran doesn’t even mention Gabriel for the first 12 years of mohammed’s ‘prophethood’.
Bonnie says
JESUS said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to Father except through me.” John 14:6 Therefore, the claim that the angel Gabriel came to Mohammed telling him that he is the true and last prophet, is utter nonsense. See also 1st John 2:18-23 and 1st John 5:9-12 (between 2nd Peter and Jude) in the Bible.
shosh7154 says
The powerful spirit being which commanded him to “read and recite” was frightening: Three times, Muhammad related, “He pressed upon me so tightly I thought it was death”
By all historical accounts, Mohamed could neither read nor write. Why is no one giving the demonic presence any recognition of performing a miracle by making an illiterate able to “read and recite”.
And further….why did Mohamed not retain this miraculous ability after the event? Could it be that the whole narrative about Mohamed being a prophet is complete fabrication in the best Arabic fashion?
Draki says
Great informative article. Thanks for writing this!
andy says
I get what’s going on here. This site is just another platform attempting to push Christian fundamentalist propaganda/nonsense/superstition while pretending to attack another equally stupid fundamentalist nonsense.
This is why you’re alienating everyone from this site except fundamentalist Christian nutcases.
Wait – does that mean you have an alteriior agenda??? Feeling so disillusioned right now *sniff*
linnte says
Oh, Andy, I am not a Christian, and have not been pushed from this blog. I just don’t let peoples beliefs needle me! In fact, I enjoy them, EXCEPT Islam. I am in this fight against Islam WITH these people because a house divided cannot stand. We have one common enemy, and if you can’t tolerate listening to someone’s heartfelt convictions, then maybe you need to look at your purpose for interjecting your thoughts. Not one person here has condemned me for speaking. Initially I did go through a period of chastisement from some, but instead of leaving, tried to figure out what it was they were SAYING to me, and I learned so much from that!
What is the GOAL? Conquer Islam. Who is doing the fighting? We are. If you don’t understand that the potential for Islam’s Shari’a Law to overcome our culture is enormous, please look at Europe and Britain as an example. Londons mayoral candidate, one anyway, is a flipping MUSLIM.
ECAW says
Linnte – I remember my original chastisement of you and I am sorry for it.
linnte says
Well, Ecaw, I don’t remember the individuals who straightened me out cuz I don’t collect names as trophy’s! Hahaha! Bless you though for your apology. All I know is I am enjoying everybody on this JW and I suck in every word- even people like our resident Muslim Sham who frustrates me because he can’t “hear”. I am grateful for you all! ?
awake says
Andy’s comment is a textbook definition of the inherent weakness of atheism. Hugh would likely agree.
Reflexive aversion to Christians quoting doctrinal responses to an article using doctrinal quotes from Islam belies that.
Silly Andy. Stop wasting our time here. Repeat after me. Islam is a false religion. Muhammad was a false prophet. Say these two sentences over and over again and remain silent otherwise.
The JW world does not suffer fools for long.
andy says
Christianity is a false religion, Noah fucked a nine-year-old, adam and eve and their children fucked each other incestuously until the whole world was populated.
What lunacy.
awake says
Your OT references pre-date Christianity or the doctrine of the new covenant that defines Christianity. Therefore their use in the comparisons between Christ and Muhammad are illogical. you’re just ankle-biting here.
Champ says
andy the dumbass wrote:
“Christianity is a false religion”
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Of course Christianity began with Jesus, and not Noah, so right there “andy” is proving what a complete and utter moron he is.
And how is Christianity a “false religion” when there was a REAL Jesus, eh? Apparently “andy” denies that Jesus ever lived. What a maroon! lol!
Get lost you *nasty* piece of work! Go torment your poor wife and kids with your nastiness. I feel *very* sorry for those that must live with the likes of you, creep. Good nigth get help and stat.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Noah did no such thing; his worst sin was getting roaring drunk and passing out, naked, after the flood. Must you lie to make your points?
Custos Custodum says
andy, you seem to imagine that grown-up contributors will collapse on the fainting couch at your “daring,” “transgressive” use of a four-letter word.
Meanwhile, you are obviously profoundly ignorant of what the Tanakh and the Christian Bible actually say and mean. (Of course, to post-modern intellectuals, anything means anything – probably sounds more impressive in the original Algerian French. Muslims call this epistemological technique taqiyya.)
The Tanakh/Old Testament is full of flawed characters who struggle with their limitation. NO ONE is portrayed as a perfect man/woman and model for all mankind and all eternity. That, of course, is precisely what Islam claims for Mo the sex maniac.
Champ says
Andy, if you can’t figure out the striking differences between islam and Christianity then move along and find a forum that caters to your moral equivalency fallacies.
andy says
I know the different dumbass
That doesn’t mean Christianty/Judaism/Hinduism or any idiotic ugly grotesque manmade foolishness has any truth WHATSOEVER in it.
Move along yourself, fool.
Champ says
Not only is “andy” a nasty troll, but now he’s lying–since clearly he does NOT know the key differences between islam and Christianity.
Move along DUMBASS. Backatcha FOOL.
Sandra Lee Smith says
You may know the difference, but you don’t know the truth!
linnte says
Champ, “Andy” was Anjem Choudreys nick name. I just wonder if maybe he is blowing off steam on JW? Hahahaha! I wish I could meet Anjem in person because I would knock that self-righteous smirk off his face!
Have a wonderful day, Champ!
Champ ✿ says
Hi Linnte! 🙂
Yeah “andy” is one naaasty piece of work! …I guess haters like him gotta hate, right? I feel sorry for those that *know* him personally. He must be the husband from hell!! lol!
Have a great day, Linnte! xo, Champ
Jay Boo says
andy = troll
I don’t know why andy is being given the benefit of doubt as if being misinformed.
Think about it
The article is about Christianity and Islam’s false claims in reference to Christianity so naturally commenters would be inclined to discuss Christianity.
Surly andy knows this
as far as Muhammad that is in the wonderful article
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“Even this brief study reveals the “annunciation” to Muhammad to be demonic in origin. Thus it is quite clear that Muhammad was worse than just a false prophet and a fraud, but rather became a willing and cooperative victim of demonic deception, if not outright demon possession.”
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“We know the rest of the story, all from Islamic source texts: Muhammad the warlord who beheaded over 800 Jews after one battle victory; the pedophile who married the child Ayesha when she was six years old, “consummating the marriage with her when she was nine years old; the lusty prophet who had eleven wives plus sex-slave concubines captured as war booty from defeated enemies; his numerous sexual perversions; the violent history of his successors, who waged war amongst themselves even as Islam was spreading itself through jihad across the Middle East and North Africa; and the ensuing thirteen centuries of bloody and ruthless Islamic jihad and sharia which multiplies its atrocities all around the globe, including now in Europe and America.
All this reveals precisely the nature of this second annunciation.
By their fruits you shall know them.”
andy says
Riiight..
And Christianity is replete with references to UFO’s and allusions to beings from another planet.
Hahah, that’s fucking hilarious.
The guy who wrote this shit is a moron.
Champ says
You’re completely stupid “andy” maybe even retarded. Wow. Get lost DUMBASS.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Those weren’t unidentified “flying objects”, they were clearly identified! You really do need to learn to read more closely.
gravenimage says
Andy, Jihad Watch does not proselytize. Some contributors–and some posters–are people of faith; a good many are not. There are, in fact, many Agnostics and Atheists here, including those commenting on this thread.
This article is about the differences between Christianity and Islam; those differences are stark, whether one believes in either of these faiths in the doctrinal sense or not.
The odd thing is that I cannot recall your ever being so offended by the horrors of Jihad terrorism as you are by this article.
Champ says
The odd thing is that I cannot recall your ever being so offended by the horrors of Jihad terrorism as you are by this article.
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Precisely, Graven. Nary a word from “andy” regarding the horrors of jihad. Very telling.
gravenimage says
So true, Champ.
Paul Mugerwa says
Islam is the greatest christianity heresy
Jack Gordon says
It pains me to see supposedly rational men like the pope and other Christian leaders proclaiming Islam to be “one of the world’s great religions” (I leave out of this consideration blatant hypocrites like Obama). By this logic and since everyone knows their names, wouldn’t it be necessary equally to proclaim Hitler, Stalin, and Mao “great world leaders”?
citycat says
@ abbas
The Qur’an could not be written these days, it would get zero cred.
Islãm appeals to the lower than animal level of the human, and holds absolute tyranny over Muslims, and is 24/7
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@ Andy
There are demons who are not in books
There are UFOs that can’t be photographed, but it’s all hardly relevant considering the Horror creeping throughout the Infidel world.
gravenimage says
citycat wrote:
@ abbas
The Qur’an could not be written these days, it would get zero cred.
Islãm appeals to the lower than animal level of the human, and holds absolute tyranny over Muslims, and is 24/7
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*Very* true, citycat! The Qur’an is actually a poorly-written, repetitive, and ugly tome that is incoherent in parts.
If it were not for the strangle-hold Islam already has, no one would pay any attention to such a book, and it could not find a mainstream publisher. It would be one of those books self-published by nuts and flogged on obscure web sites.
gravenimage says
Can There Have Been Two Annunciations?
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*Excellent* piece from Ralph Sidway.
And Gabriel–actually, “Jibreel”–did not just attack Muhammed, he also screamed at an illiterate man to “Read!” or “Recite!”.
One might say that a virgin conceiving and an illiterate reading are both impossible things–but they are not both treated as miracles.
Look at the differing nature of these events–as Mr. Sidway notes, Gabriel comforts Mary and eases her anxiety; Jibreel does no such thing with the figure who will go on to become the sanguinary “model man” of Islam, instead threatening and assaulting him.
Compare and contrast.
Here is one of my favorite Annunciations, from the 19th century by John William Waterhouse, which emphasizes Mary’s very human surprise:
http://www.jesus-story.net/images/A_Annunciation_John_William_Waterhouse_1914.jpg
And here’s the wonderful Annunciation by Fra Angelico from the Italian Renaissance, which emphasizes Mary’s modesty and faith:
https://classconnection.s3.amazonaws.com/331/flashcards/172331/jpg/fra_angelico_043-141EA5A773F69BED349.jpg
There are many more lovely paintings. As an art historian, I have written about a number of them.
There are few images of Muhammed being accosted by Jibreel, of course, and they are all quite stark and crude, and mostly based on the image above.
linnte says
I LOVE Art History! My favorite era is, of course, the impressionist time, but any art and history fascinate me. I am an artist also. ?
gravenimage says
I didn’t know you were an artist, linnte! I am also an illustrator.
I would love to post some of my non-Jihad related work here, but that would be bad for my health given some of the lurking Mohammedans here.
But here’s a link to my Photobucket account, where I have some Anti-Jihad work:
http://s478.photobucket.com/user/gravenimageartist/library/?sort=3&page=1
I need to update my page, but that gives you a good sampling.
I love the Impressionist era, as well–but all of Western art, from the late Medieval through the early Modern era–the Renaissance and 19th century, especially.
If it is safe for you to do so, I would love it if you posted some of your work.
linnte says
Well DARN! I have no clue how to do that posting a photo thing. My internet access is a little Nexis tablet! Haha! Hummmm. I will have to see how I can do this because I love other artists work. Let me find out from my son who is savvy about this tablet and see if there is a way! (This is awesome!)
linnte says
You are really good with pen and ink! All your portraits are well done and easy to see who they are. Mine? Well, I haven’t done a portrait since the early 90’s. Hahaha! I really love the two Towers drawing- it put a lump in my throat. Will see if I can post mine. ?
gravenimage says
Thanks, linnte. I’m not sure how–or even if it is possible–to post images directly. But I discovered Photobucket and that works for me. I’m no Luddite, but am not the most tech-savvy person, either.
Custos Custodum says
Thanks for sharing your works!
Actually, your depictions of Mo seem relatively generous. I picture Mo as somewhat weedy looking with darting, unsteady eyes, a sly, furtive expression and a relatively high-pitched but somehow beguiling voice.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Custos.
As for my depiction of the vicious “Prophet”, mostly, I wanted the appalling situation to speak for itself.
citycat says
allahu snackbar
Angels exist.
God is in the mind, whether that counts as existing or not depends on what you mean by exist.
But there has been a lot of stuff that’s happened because of God in the mind.
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gravenimage
i’ve downloaded a picture of Muhammad being visited by three messengers who are supposed to be healing Mo’s heart. It looks gruesome. Can’t recall where from though. Looks pretty old.
Sandra Lee Smith says
If by “in the mind”, with reference to God, you mean He’s merely a delusion, a figment of our imaginations, then I will tell you you’re categorically wrong.
citycat says
@ gravenimage
i’ll see if i can find it again, i’ve erased its origin.
gravenimage says
Thank you, citycat–I would be very interested.
There are a fairly limited number of artworks featuring Muhammed, as you might imagine–some Turkish works, some Persian, and–primarily–some Indian Mughal pieces–all places where there was a strong image-making tradition that predated Muslim conquest.
Many of these are variations on each other–there is, unsurprisingly, not much innovation in Muslim art. There are a number of common themes–Muhammed sitting in judgment, visiting hell, battles, and his ride on Buraq.
I can’t recall ever having seen a painting depicting the messengers ‘purifying’ his heart–but I do imagine it would be quite gruesome.
linnte says
If you have a Facebook account, go to “Syrian Artists” and see some of the absolute best art! Most is expressionist, but all are so poignant regarding the Syrian war. I used to have maybe 75 Arabic artists whos posts I saw everyday. But, when I began to discover what Islam was all about, I unfriended them because I knew I could not be honest about my feelings knowing I would hurt theirs! Yes oh boy was I ever dhimmi (SP)!
gravenimage says
Thanks, linnte. I am familiar with some of this work.
Artists in Syria today are as threatened as almost anyone by the Jihad there. Many have fled.
But yes–even many of these artists still cling to Islam.
citycat says
@ Sandra Lee Smith
no i don’t mean either of those examples you gave.
If God exists then God exists also in the mind, how? I don’t know, depends what sort of mind you have, maybe,
maybe each person has a different experience of God, God the indefinable, the infinite creator of a universe that is finite by virtue of its “beginning”
isn’t that an insult to an infinite creator to say that “his?” creation is finite?
What is apparently infinite is the debate about the indefinable One.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Thank-yoyu for clarifying. Just curious: whywould you think Him offended by that which He clearly declares in His Own written Word; that the universe is finite? He told us of its beginning, itsending, and the creationto come of a new heaven and Earth. Something that has a beginning and an end is obviously finite.
Ivan Erickson says
From ICE:
The purpose of Satan in creating the ruse of Muhammad and the ensuing Islam sect was to lead some of God’s beloved people away from the Truth and Light of Jesus Christ as the Son of God, and as the only source of salvation for all mankind.
Who is more likely to lead mankind away from salvation and Jesus Christ… God or Satan? Who is more likely to lead Americans away from prayer and Bible study in our public schools… God or Satan? Who is more likely to pass laws in America which allow us poor souls to abort and slaughter babies…… God or Satan? The One True God has commanded us that “Thou Shalt not kill.” There are no addenda to the commandments unless they were mandated by God himself. Who is more likely to enact laws that allow same sex marriage… God or Satan? God has stated in His Holy Bible that the sin of homosexuality is an abomination to Him. Does this connote in any way that God is for these atrocities by men and women of all sects and faiths??
We must all pray for all of those of all religions, sects, races and ethnicity’s, who have been enslaved by Satan, that they may repent from their sin and disbelief and come to believe in Salvation in the Son of God. God has been warning and punishing all mankind for some time now through His “storm Winds” that we most repent from our sins, and that we must know, love and serve Him and love our neighbor as ourselves. If we do not repent and turn away from sin, God;s “Storm Winds” will continue to increase exponentially in frequency and magnitude until we see the Light and do His Will.
May the Beloved Lord bless all people of all faiths and nations in all things always.
ICE
citycat says
@ Sandra Lee Smith.
So this creation is gonna end and a new one begin? So how do you know that there was not one before this current one began.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to say that an old creation transforms into a new one, just like your breathing, so existence can therefore be regarded as eternal. Back to square one. This is eternity.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Only to human logic; but consider that we have so badly screwed this creation up, having followed the ways of sin for so long, that God has plans to change it, like a worn out garment, or an old scroll!
Mirren10 says
I’m an agnostic.
For me, there has never been any sufficiently convincing proof, that would persuade me to *believe* in Christ.
Nevertheless, I have always seen that the moral ethics of Christianity are far superior to those of islam.
A few thoughts on the Annuciation.
I’ve always noted, that the angels are always very careful to * reassure’ those whom they appear to. Clearly, the appearance of an angel is terrifying, so much so, that the angel Gabriel is determined to assure Mary she has nothing to be frightened of. And Mary evinces cool and admirable grace, at what must have been a pretty overwhelming and terrifying experience.
When one contrasts this, with the pusillanimous behaviour of mohammed, shuddering and shivering under Khadijah’s bed, and moaning about how ‘jibreel’ had basically treated him like shit:; how could anyone, with the slightest critical faculty, compare the two experiences ? Only if you are a determined fool.
Really, is not this just another example of how mohammed, hearing something or other, from Jews or Christians, decided to incorporate it into his insane and evil. world view.
To me, this reeks of shameless opportunimouisim.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Good observations, and honest assessment.
ECAW says
Mirren10, The Considine creature seems to have banned me from his blog. I wonder if you know of anyone who thinks it worthwhile pointing out his deceptions to his readers.
https://craigconsidinetcd.com/2016/04/04/heres-why-young-men-become-terrorists-and-what-we-can-do-about-it/
Read and vomit:
“These questions have no simple answers. Perhaps it begins by creating a safe space that brings out the various talents of diverse communities. Once we have created that space, then we can amass talent that can nourish us all.”
Personally I’d be grateful for a space safe from Muslims. Europe used to be one.
Mirren10 says
Hi, ECAW.
”Mirren10, The Considine creature seems to have banned me from his blog. I wonder if you know of anyone who thinks it worthwhile pointing out his deceptions to his readers.”
I can’t say I’m surprised, ECAW. What I found surprising was him tolerating your comments, at all. But you must have done something to provoke him ! Did you draw a cartoon of him ? 🙂
I’ve just been over there, and posted the link below, and highlighted the final bin laden quote ( the one about hating us because we won’t accept islam, no other reason).
It seems to have posted, I’ll go back in a couple of days and see if it’s still there.
http://markhumphrys.com/root.cause.html
ECAW says
Thanks Mirren10, you’re a pal.
I think what really narked him was this comment I left on his own university’s website:
http://news.rice.edu/2016/03/14/freedom-of-religion-civic-rights-were-important-components-of-a-muslim-nation/
Several visitors have come from there and looked at the blogpost. It would be gratifying to think that a few people there, his own students perhaps, have started to question his infallibility.
Mirren10 says
Yes, it’s still there. No replies, though.