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Christian refugees “let down” by Pope: he promised to take them to Italy but then took only Muslims instead

Apr 22, 2016 2:47 pm By Robert Spencer

“What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?” (Luke 11:11-12)

The Pope, like all good Leftists, knows that Muslims are the real victims of any conflict anywhere, even as they have victimized Christians by the hundreds of thousands. And so they must always be given preferential treatment.

“Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)

Roula and Malek Abo

“EXCLUSIVE – ‘Let down by the Pope on Lesbos’: Christian brother and sister told they would be rescued by Holy Father then left behind over EU deal to send migrants to Turkey,” by Isabel Hunter, Mailonline, April 22, 2016:

A Christian brother and sister from Syria say they have been ‘let down’ by the Pope after he left them behind in a Lesbos refugee camp despite promises they would be given a new life in Italy.

Roula and Malek Abo say they were two of the lucky ‘chosen 12’ refugees selected by the Vatican to be taken from the desperate camp and housed in Rome.

But what seemed like the chance of a lifetime was cruelly snatched away when they were told the following day they couldn’t go. Instead three Muslim families were taken.

Roula, 22, and her brother arrived on Lesbos on April 1 – ten days after the controversial EU deal to return all asylum seekers arriving to Greece from Turkey.

Their application for asylum is being process and they are waiting to learn if they will be sent back to Turkey.

Stuck on Lesbos, Roula told MailOnline: ‘If they can do this for 12 people they can do it for more.

‘If you have promised to take people back to Italy will something like registration papers stand in your way?’

Neither Community Sant’Egidio, the charity which organised the trip, or the Vatican would explain the selection process over which migrants were picked.

Spokesman Massimiliano Signifredi called the incident ‘regrettable’ – adding: ‘The problem here is the three Syrians arrived after the March 20 deadline. They arrived just after the agreement between the European Union and Turkey.

Mr Signifredi said: ‘Our staff went to Lesbos and spoke with the people who were selected. But everything was decided by the Vatican.

‘The question why the Pope took only Muslims is difficult to understand and he was suffering, I think, because he wanted to do something also for Christians as the chief of the Catholic Church. But he couldn’t because there is this international agreement [with the EU].’…

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  1. victimized says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    Is the Vatican a member of the EU?

    • Susan B says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 3:24 pm

      It seems the Pope is a member of the NWO. I have lost all faith in the Roman Catholic Church, maybe the Pope is the new Anti-Christ after all.

      • Alexius Comnenus says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 3:42 pm

        I would not go that far. He is a leftist tio begin with. Sometimes his words denote some awkward political stances and create rooms for spiritual confusion and disappointments.
        I miss the Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI!
        Try to read the message and the hidden secrets the Blessed Virgin Mary gave the two children in Lasalette, France, on September 19, 1846.
        That was amazing! I am very disappointed by this Pope as well.

        • Dominic La Rosa says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 8:28 pm

          There is no such thing as a leftist or rightist . . its all a joke

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 11:58 pm

          Trying to apply terms that were created for a small, single government, to a myriad of governments does not work very well….. which does NOT make it a joke.

        • Mickal says

          Apr 25, 2016 at 5:28 pm

          I truly think you meant you miss a Christian caring Pope instead of anti Christendon traitor who have ordain Luciffer as God and working for his kingdom. Do not fear for we American Patriots was caught off sleeping and let a Muslim born gay African queen into the white house with her transgender husband and adopted two Egyptian girls as their own. If you are appalled by what I said then you now understand the reason behind his progression.

      • Myrtle Linder says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 3:59 pm

        This shows me I was right when I did not beleive that the Catholic nor the Pope were Christians, They do not serve GOD, they serve themselves, at least most of them do!!!

        • Bob says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 4:22 pm

          Yep. They are no christians. I can give you a lost of reasons why with detail contradictions of ever interested.

        • Angry Aussie says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 7:33 pm

          How ridiculous. Catholics are Christians. You can’t judge all Catholics based on the actions of the Pope. Myrtlle Linder, unless you know “most of them”, you hardly qualify to make a comment like yours. My bet is that you don’t know most of the world’s Catholics at all. The same goes for you Bob. Childish, both of you. Feel free to criticize the Pope’s actions. Catholics do. Freely too I might add. No fear of reprisal.

          Did you even read the article? This pair arrived after the borders in Greece had been closed. Should the Pope have taken Muslims instead? I say no. I say he shouldn’t have even gone to Lesbos. I think he poked his nose in where it wasn’t needed and that he should stick to releasing doves in St Peter’s Bascilica for a while.

        • mortimer says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 8:07 pm

          Myrtle wrote: “Pope not Christian”

          Please, Myrtle. A little charity. You and the pope obviously disagree about politics and about Islam (he knows practically nothing about Islam), but you probably agree with the pope about 95/100 of the Christian doctrines he believes in, even if you are a Protestant. The pope is not a Protestant. The ‘liberation theology’ within the RCC is a passing trend. It’s rubbish.

        • Aaron says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 11:30 am

          If you don’t believe that Catholics are Christians then what are you doing commenting here at this Catholic website?

        • Robert Spencer says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 10:15 am

          This is not in any sense a Catholic website.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 4:32 pm

          Myrtle and Bob claim that Catholics are not Christians.

          They might be interested in learning that our host Robert Spencer is a devout Catholic. Do they believe he is not Christian, as well?

      • Mike Proulx says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 4:36 pm

        No he is not the Anti Christ, he’s the False Prophet, read the Bible he fits the bill.
        He will announce the coming of the False Messiah, the one who will deceive many into a one world religion, Chrislam and many are on that road as this message goes out.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPZTmefDpuc

        And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

        Thank God for His Glorious Word of Truth

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 7:28 pm

        No–the Vatican is not a member of the EU. Italy is, of course.

        • Mark Swan says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 2:04 am

          It is a shame those two had their hopes built-up and now don’t know if they will get to go.

      • Aaron says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 11:22 am

        This is Satan’s game. The pope may very well be a Judas priest betraying the faithful with a kiss, but to this ultimately has nothing to do with Christ’s promise to the deposit of faith would be protected in the Catholic Church. Only in the Catholic Church can one find the fullness of faith. Jesus Christ suffered and died on the cross for us and it is starting to look more and more like the Pope Francis might be our cross to bare. If we are to be followers of Christ we must be willing to pick up our cross which means embracing the pain of being betrayed by our “holy” father.

      • Lia says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 4:17 pm

        I used to feel sorry for the poor, confused old man, who seemed to drop marbles as he went and needed a team of interpreters to tell the rest of us that what he really meant was … now I think he’s even more confused, to the point of not knowing whom he’s serving.

      • Jaem says

        Apr 24, 2016 at 4:18 pm

        He is a Jesuit. The first one that has ever made Pope. Some Catholics will not recognise him a real Pope because he is Jesuit. He seems very in favor of bringing in a one world religion by the looks of it.

    • bridgette says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 3:32 pm

      I’m starting to think the Vatican runs the EU.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 4:13 pm

        What we have is a self-serving moron in the Vatican. Would any of his predecessors have been so dumb? i doubt it.

        • Berengaria says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 7:11 pm

          A Self-Serving , Marxist Moron in the Vatican, who is a Jesuit, and they love to fool people with words. Francis the Fickle & Slick Willy Clinton are brothers of the same ilk.
          I really do believe that Pope Francis is NOT well.

        • mortimer says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 8:14 pm

          Most Jesuits aren’t as spaced-out about Islam as the pope is.

          The following is from Fr Henri Boulad, SJ of Alexandria, Egypt:

          “Islamism is not a caricature, nor a counterfeit, nor a heresy, nor a fringe or atypical phenomenon versus classical, orthodox, Sunnite Islam.

          To the contrary, I think Islamism is naked Islam, Islam without a mask and without paint, Islam perfectly consistent and true to itself, an Islam that has the courage and lucidity to go all the way to its ultimate conclusions and final implications.

          Islamism is Islam in all its logic and in all its rigour. Islamism is present in Islam as the chick is present in the egg, as the fruit is present in the flower and as the tree is present in the seed.

          But what is Islamism?

          Islamism is political Islam, the bearer of a project for a model society and whose aim is to establish a theocratic state based on Sharia, the only legitimate law—since it is divine—since it was revealed and enshrined in the Koran and Sunna—it’s a law that applies to everything.

          Here is an all-inclusive and all-encompassing project, one that is total, totalizing and totalitarian.”

      • Kevin Manko says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 5:54 am

        I think the further the world goes from Jehovah, God almighty! The more the Devil fills the void. Solution 2Ch 7:14

    • Cecilia Ellis says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 3:40 pm

      “Is the Vatican a member of the EU?”

      Victimized, the following should answer your question:

      “According to the EU’s Copenhagen criteria which define what states are eligible to join the EU, a candidate state must be a free market democracy. Given that the Holy See is a theocracy it does not meet the criteria. However, as it is so small, and surrounded by an EU state (Italy), it is intrinsically linked to the EU.”

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_See–European_Union_relations

    • Angemon says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 5:33 pm

      Nope. The Vatican is not one of the 28 members states. It’s not even a state by EU standards. The Vatican has a “special status” to ensure the Pope has free reign to perform his functions as a spiritual leader. Nothing prevented him from taking these Christian brothers to the Vatican.

    • Christianblood says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 6:18 pm

      As I said earlier, Western governments, media, academia, churches, the Vatican, Western societies and yes even the Pope are all bending over backwards to please muslims, to support, arm and even fight for muslim jihadists and ignore the plight of global victims of islam and the Pope ignoring Christians and only taking muslims to Rome is a good example of this. There is really something very, very, very, very rotten at the root-depths of the Western world.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 7:47 pm

        This *is* appalling.

        It must be noted that Russia is doing little to accept Christian refugees from Syria, either. Lots of blame to go around, I’m afraid.

        • Peggy says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 10:39 pm

          If the refugees are reaching Turkey and Italy first and only Muslims are being allowed to reach those destinations how is Russia going to bring in Christian refugees?
          Christians are being thrown overboard on their way to Italy so they are too afraid to even hop on those boats. Are Russians supposed to fly planes over there and round up Christians somehow?
          I am not trying to be smart here but I just can’t see how Christians can reach any country in any significant numbers to matter when the Muslims rule the seas.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 25, 2016 at 9:00 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “If the refugees are reaching Turkey and Italy first and only Muslims are being allowed to reach those destinations how is Russia going to bring in Christian refugees?
          Christians are being thrown overboard on their way to Italy so they are too afraid to even hop on those boats. Are Russians supposed to fly planes over there and round up Christians somehow?
          ”

          Well, they flew planes to bomb muslims, didn’t they?

          “I am not trying to be smart here”

          That’s noticeable, as well as what you’re trying to do.

          “but I just can’t see how Christians can reach any country in any significant numbers to matter when the Muslims rule the seas.”

          Huh, what? Are you serious?

      • Ex-muslim says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 8:59 pm

        Christianblood says:

        (As I said earlier, Western governments, media, academia, churches, the Vatican, Western societies and yes even the Pope are all bending over backwards to please muslims, to support, arm and even fight for muslim jihadists and ignore the plight of global victims of islam and the Pope ignoring Christians and only taking muslims to Rome is a good example of this).

        TRUE! TRUE! TRUE!

        Dear Christianblood, you are absolutely right. I am from the ME and I totally understand what you are talking about. the West/US are
        wholeheartedly pro islam and that is a total, UNDENIABLE FACT!
        Keep it up brother!

        • SpiritOf1683 says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 3:11 am

          West/US are wholeheartedly pro islam and that is a total, UNDENIABLE FACT!

          And it is just as undeniable that Muslims are viciously anti-West and anti-US, but far too many Westerners are too dumb to realise this basic fact that has been staring them in the face for 1,400 years.

        • Ivan Konstantinov says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 8:22 am

          The creator of islam has many servants in the west too

          But I think this pope, no matter how Marxist he is, can be used by God to bring more Muslims to the truth. He brought them to the Vatican, which is the opposite of what the Saudi government did.

          Many Muslims aren’t that brainwashed or stupid to notice this!

        • Ex-muslim says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 8:51 am

          SpiritOf1683 says:

          A very true statement. Muslims are against all humanity.

        • Fessitude says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 2:37 pm

          ” the West/US are wholeheartedly pro islam and that is a total, UNDENIABLE FACT!”

          Not quite. To be wholehearted about something, you need to have a working brain. The typical Western brain is working, but it’s wiring has been re-routed, so to speak, by Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism. Imagine a vacuum cleaner that instead of sucking in air and dust, expelled air and dust. We could say it’s “working” — it’s motor and belt work fine; it has just been reversed along the way.

          We must remember, however, ,that “analogiae claudicant — i.e., analogies are never perfect because, not being exactly the thing being elucidated through them, they can’t capture the fullness, and the Gestalt must be in part supplied through the intelligent imagination of the recipient. What my analogy above does is remind us that the West is not lacking in intelligence, decency, and resources; but that its intelligence, decency, and resources have been “turned in the wrong direction” so to speak, and it needs to be arighted. It doesn’t help the situation that this wrong turn has been a long, slow civilizational process spanning centuries, and has grown organically — albeit paradoxically — out of Graeco-Roman Judaeo-Christian virtues. Which is the other nuance my analogy is intended to convey: when grappling with our Problem of the Problem (the secondary problem of the West persisting in its strange inability to grasp the primary problem of Islam), we must try to avoid demonizing our own West — or demonizing body parts of the West we fantasize can be amputated after a “civil war”.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 7:22 pm

          “Not quite. To be wholehearted about something, you need to have a working brain. The typical Western brain is working, but it’s wiring has been re-routed, so to speak, by Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism. Imagine a vacuum cleaner that instead of sucking in air and dust, expelled air and dust. We could say it’s “working” — it’s motor and belt work fine; it has just been reversed along the way.”

          Gee, what a wonderful display of cultural confidence in the best civilization in human history – it’s not that we see manifestations against the islamization of Europe and America, increasingly in larger numbers and an increase in political representation of parties whose guidelines explicitly state they’re anti-islamic, or a myriad of sites on the internet where regular people raise awareness of what the islamization of Europe and the US means for them and discuss the best ways to combat it. No, the West can’t be wholeheartedly pro-islam simply because its brain is not wired correctly…

        • Christianblood says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 9:17 pm

          Fessitude posted

          (…The typical Western brain is working, but it’s wiring has been re-routed, so to speak, by Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism…)

          Very true!

    • J ormerod says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 2:28 am

      The pope using the EU for his actions is ridiculous, this is just a get out clause, he has taken only Muslims in hope of converting them to christians, the others were already christians so no gain there, seems like Islamic state are doing same but in a not so peaceful way

    • Peggy says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 4:09 am

      The Vatican has obviously been infiltrated a long time ago and evil put in strategic places.

    • ed cox says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 10:29 am

      The false prophet of REV. fits the pope better than Antichrist . The Antichrist will be Jewish as the Jews will only follow a Jew as there savior .

    • Sandra Lee Smith says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 5:07 pm

      Not that I know of; however the Pope is a Jesuit and Marxist; which could explain much!

    • Dominic La Rosa says

      Apr 24, 2016 at 8:30 pm

      Well the Pope has a tough Job . . Christ commanded to love all including your enemies .

  2. Ivan Konstantinov says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 3:20 pm

    Christian refugees are welcome in any Eastern European country, but they want ONLY Germany and Italy. The recent scandals in the Czech republic say enough.
    So, it’s up to them, they can go back to Turkey or apply in any EE embassy in Athens.
    EE countries with embassies in Athens are:

    Albania, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Rep, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia and Macedonia.

    • Christianblood says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 6:27 pm

      Ivan Konstantinov posted

      (…Christian refugees are welcome in any Eastern European country, but they want ONLY Germany and Ital…)

      So true Ivan! Most refugees coming to the West are deceived by the materialistic thinking that if they go to Western world, they will have more and more material things. (St. Mathew 6:33). I remember two years ago, Russian Patriarch telling Syrian Christians that if the American-backed islamic jihadists get close enough to overthrow the Syrian government Russia is ready to resettle any Syrian Christian that wants to move to Russia and fifty thousand Syrian Christians signed in to that program but then things started to change in the battle field.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 7:53 pm

        Most of those refugees aggressively screaming “Germany, Germany!” are not materialistic Christians, but supremacist Muslims.

        • dfd says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 5:45 am

          Indeed

      • Angemon says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 8:01 pm

        Christianblood posted:

        “I remember two years ago, Russian Patriarch telling Syrian Christians that if the American-backed islamic jihadists get close enough to overthrow the Syrian government Russia is ready to resettle any Syrian Christian that wants to move to Russia”

        That’s odd. I distinctly remember asking you a few weeks ago why wasn’t Russia taking in Syrian Christians, to which you answered, and I quote:

        Russia don’t want these ancient Christians to be uprooted from their ancient lands in the Middle East, Russia wants them to stay there

        Out of curiosity, which patriarch said that?

        • Christianblood says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 8:34 pm

          Angemon

          you can read more of this on the website below.

          http://www.lastampa.it/2013/10/24/vaticaninsider/eng/world-news/russias-protectorate-over-middle-eastern-christians-7VuzVaS3bHfgxa3SvKGpEL/pagina.html

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 8:08 am

          That was not even a good try, CB. A few weeks ago you claimed that Russia did not want to uproot Syrian Christians and now you’re blaming Syrian Christians?

          My guess is that you did not remember something from “two years ago”, you learned something new and are now trying to rewrite history, in good old Commie fashion. That’s why you redirect me to a web article rather than using your own words.

          Oh, BTW, you should read things through before endorsing them. From there:

          The Kremlin is about to consider granting citizenship

          The fact that the Christian cause has caught the attention of the highest levels of Russia’s government seems to imply that the Kremlin sees their case as important in terms of geopolitics.

          Remember, that’s my line, not yours. Yours is that Putin is doing so out of Christian charity, not geopolitics.

          Now, the Orthodox leaders’ calls for the protection of Christians in Arab countries fits Putin’s plans for the Middle East like a glove. More than twenty years after the fall of the USSR and with the Soviet communist era’s atheist years long gone, Putin is, in true neo-Zarist-style, reinstating himself as protector of Eastern Christians, as part of geopolitical policy.

          Again, this falls in line with what I say and throws a big, heavy wrench in your narrative.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 4:41 pm

          So far, Russia has given sanctuary to very few Christian refugees. Whether that will change is uncertain.

      • Ivan Konstantinov says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 8:04 am

        Indeed, most are supremacist muslims, but I was amazed that Christians often subscribe to that too! In Czechia (now the name is official, as this country had no name in English before) Iraqi Catholic Christians refused asylum and headed for Germany. They must be either totally out of their minds or simply not Christian, to prefer life in camps together with all the filth of the world !!!

        • Fessitude says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 2:45 pm

          ” Iraqi Catholic Christians refused asylum and headed for Germany.”

          How do we know they weren’t really Muslims?

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 3:24 am

      In Albania and Bosnia, the Muslim population is far too high in percentage terms – over 50%.

      • Ivan Konstantinov says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 8:10 am

        [n Albania and Bosnia, the Muslim population is far too high in percentage terms]

        In Bosnia it’s around 38% and in Albania it’s practically below that figure. You can find out on the formal adoption of islam in Albania under Ottoman rule esp. by Albanian Catholics, as the Turks were at war with the Catholic coalition: Venice, Austria and Poland. People keep memories of the forced conversion and many of them reject any link to islam,
        The main problem in both countries is not that they will reject the Christian refugees, but that they are very poor.
        I can understand someone not wanting to go to Albania., Bosnia, Bulgaria etc. but to Czechia?

        • SpiritOf1683 says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 4:34 pm

          Even if its 38% in Bosnia iots too high. In Albania its over 60% Muslim,.Only 33% of Bosnians are Christians.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 4:47 pm

          Ivan Konstantinov wrote:

          [n Albania and Bosnia, the Muslim population is far too high in percentage terms]

          In Bosnia it’s around 38% and in Albania it’s practically below that figure.
          ……………………….

          A recent Pew Research Center demographic study put the percentage of Muslims in Albania at 79.9%. A contemporary Gallup poll gives percentages of religious affiliations of 43% Muslim, 19% Eastern Orthodox, 15% Catholic and 23% atheist or nonreligious.

          Figures on Bosnia vary, but still usually posit Muslims as the largest single group.

          And Kososvo is 90% Muslim.

        • Ivan Konstantinov says

          Apr 27, 2016 at 7:56 am

          The gap between the two researches shows that these polls are unreliable, esp. in a country like Albania where official censuses and polls are regarded with distrust, the answers of the same group may vary significantly. Kosovo is the most Muslim of all three territories, Bosnia officially divided as: 40% Orthodox, 40% Muslim and 20% Croat. That doesn’t take into consideration the number of actual believers.

          I think the Gallup figures are much more reliable:
          43% Muslim, 19% Eastern Orthodox, 15% Catholic and 23% atheist or nonreligious.

  3. stferdinandiii says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 3:21 pm

    Pope Frank is not a Catholic. He is stupid, a marxist and might be a closet moon cult member.

    • Christianblood says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 7:11 pm

      stferdinandiii

      It is not only the Pope, the WHOLE Western societies, churches and governments are pro islam and anti-Christian. They all love muslims and are even fighting for them in their jihadist wars while ignoring the plight of global victims of bloody islamic jihad and violence.

      • KH says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 7:27 pm

        Yes, there is definitely something rotten at the core of today’s Western societies, and I can tell you exactly what that something is (if you don’t know it already and are willing to accept it). First ask yourself, who were Jesus main enemies when he was in human form on this planet of ours. Then ask yourself, which religious/ethnic group dominates the banks, the media and has an out of proportion influence on political contributions today. Then look at 1 John Chapter 2 verses 22 and 23. Then for for further reading read Revelation 17 and 18, then Ezekiel Chapter 23. That should go a long way to identifying what it is exactly that is rotten.

        • Christianblood says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 8:57 am

          KH

          No. Don’t blame the Jews people! The blame is on political-correctness, postmodernist relativism and the rejection of the Biblical principals and common sense! The implosion is from within, not from without.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 4:48 pm

          Another antisemic creep…

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 8:02 pm

        It is not only the Pope, the WHOLE Western societies, churches and governments are pro islam and anti-Christian.
        ………………………….

        Is anyone else tired of this from “Christianblood”?

        Doesn’t he realize that Jihad Watch itself is based in the West? Yet he is still claiming that the West and everyone in it is pro-Islam and anti-Christian.

        The truth is that “Christianblood” hates the West far more than he does brutal Islam.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 8:13 pm

          gravenimage posted;

          “The truth is that “Christianblood” hates the West far more than he does brutal Islam.”

          Indeed. And let’s not get ahead of ourselves – CB doesn’t hate islam per se, his alleged hatred of islam is solely based on geopolitical alliances. The US-aligned Saudis? Oh, the filthy terrorist sponsoring curs! They oppress women! They kill gays (not that I think CB cares about that) and apostates. The Moscow-aligned Iranians? Well, they oppress women just as bad, they also kill gays and apostates, they sponsor terrorism as easily as the Saudis, and they’re openly looking to get their hands on a nuke to use against Israel, but they’re good people, it’s just the “rotten apples” leading the government. Plus, you should hear how they shout “Death to America!”…

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 8:22 pm

          I suspect that when he speaks of ‘the West’ he means the entirety of what was once Latin/ Western (non-Orthodox) Christendom. Throughout the whole of its history. Not just its history in the past hundred or two hundred years of ‘modernity’ but ALL its history, ever since the eastern and western churches fell out with one another.

          He exhibits a rather unChristian *hatred* toward the western churches *as such* and constantly refuses to distinguish the churches from the – largely *anti*-Christian modern society within which they dwell and over which they do NOT have that much influence.

          Sometimes I suspect he does not regard Catholics or Protestants – not just modern Catholics or Protestants, but all Protestants since the beginning, and all Catholics from the first division between east and west, between Rome and Byzantium – as being fellow Christians *at all*.

          This is stupid and tragic; because Muslims don’t care whether a Christian is Orthodox, Protestant or Catholic, so long as it’s got a cross on it and invokes the name of Jesus it’s a Christian and an infidel practising ‘shirk’ and it’s a target.

          Self-proclaimed Christians of *any* stripe who spend more time condemning, criticising and ‘bagging’ each other than they do praying, practising charity and endeavouring to support *any* persecuted fellow believer no matter what their tradition, make me very sad and very cross.

          I get cross with occasional self-proclaimed Catholic posters here at jihadwatch who seem to view non-Catholic Christians are not ‘really’ Christians and view the rise of Protestant faith as an unmitigated disaster and the root of all evil; with Protestants who do the same toward Catholics and Orthodox, refusing to recognise them as fellow Christians; and, too, with certain declared *orthodox* – like ‘christianblood’ -who seem to regard the entire western church – *qua western church* not just the past hundred years’ worth – with contempt and aggression. It’s shameful and foolish and it allows huge opportunities for Muslims to play ‘split the camp’.

          Indeed sometimes I wonder whether there are not Muslims in masks *posing* as various types of Infidels on forums like this, mouthing off stereotypical accusations at other types of Infidels, precisely in order to try to stir up and play upon and keep in existence the old grievances, follies and resentments – old divisions in the ‘camp of the infidels’ – and make them worse, or even provoke *new* divisions, in order to *prevent* reconciliations from happening.

          After all: if postings by someone like ‘christianblood’ make western christians (sincere western christians) distrustful and fearful of / cranky with their eastern brethren, who ultimately benefits? The accursed Ummah.

          “The laughter of Mordor will be our only reward if we quarrel”. Posters like ‘christianblood’ – IF they *are* who they say they are, and not in fact mohammedans in masks playing ‘split the camp’ (and very successfully!) – might do well to remember that wise advice of Tolkien’s fictional Gandalf.

        • Ex-muslim says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 8:53 pm

          @ Gravenimage & Angemon:

          If the West is not pro islam as ‘Christianblood’ says then why is it many, many Western governments, US included, Western churches of all denominations, the Vatican, the Pope, Western NG’os are all aiding and abetting muslims in all the way they do as the article above proves? Is this all accidental? Why is US arming jihadists in M.E and beyond while refusing to arm Christian militia in Iraq and elsewhere? Why is the US and West allied with the Turks who are arming ISIS and closing the few remaining Christian churches in Turkey? Why is the US allied and is collaborating with the very, very evil and barbaric Saudi Arabia where there is no a single Christian church up until this day and where there weekly public beheadings and horrific tortures? Are u telling me that all those things that I mentioned above and many, many others that I don’t time to mention which are daily happening in the world are all isolated accidental incidents? Why are you being dishonest for God’sake?
          Why is it that you have the guts to deny all the facts that are proving the reality that C.B is talking about? What the hell is wrong with you? Why are you so dishonest? Why are u denying the facts?

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 8:11 am

          Ex-muslim posted:

          “@ Gravenimage & Angemon:

          If the West is not pro islam as ‘Christianblood’ says then why is it many, many Western governments, US included, Western churches of all denominations, the Vatican, the Pope, Western NG’os are all aiding and abetting muslims in all the way they do as the article above proves?”

          Geopolitical interests, ignorance, etc. Claiming that the West and everyone in it is undoubtedly pro-islamic is demonstrably false and taking a dump in the face of truth. Of course, you already stated that Westerners and Americans are your mortal enemies, so it’s not like we’ll get an unbiased view out of you.

          “Is this all accidental? Why is US arming jihadists in M.E and beyond while refusing to arm Christian militia in Iraq and elsewhere? Why is the US and West allied with the Turks who are arming ISIS and closing the few remaining Christian churches in Turkey? Why is the US allied and is collaborating with the very, very evil and barbaric Saudi Arabia where there is no a single Christian church up until this day and where there weekly public beheadings and horrific tortures? Are u telling me that all those things that I mentioned above and many, many others that I don’t time to mention which are daily happening in the world are all isolated accidental incidents?”

          See above.

          “Why are you being dishonest for God’sake?”

          The dishonest one here is you.

          “Why is it that you have the guts to deny all the facts that are proving the reality that C.B is talking about? What the hell is wrong with you? Why are you so dishonest? Why are u denying the facts?”

          You keep using words like “facts” and “reality” – they don’t mean what you think they do.

        • Burmeseyang says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 9:17 pm

          i always read jihadwatch articles and news and i don’t participate discussion. i am from Burma (Myanmar) and our country is endangered by muslim jihad invasion and western nations want us to be nice to muslims that want to kill us. before we were better off but now it is getting scary because our new leader (Aung San Suu Kyi) is following western democracy and this may weaken our future nationalism and defences against islamic invasion and sabotage.

        • African infidel says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 9:24 pm

          To Ex-muslim

          Good points! Good questions! I think they are embarrassed by the facts and that is why they cannot admit the fact that the West & US are the main enablers of islam but the whole world knows this and the facts cannot be hidden. God bless you!

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 9:16 am

          Hi African infidel!

          It’s a shame you think all westerners have sold their souls or that they enable islam, and that you willingly opted to do so on a site dedicated to raising awareness and combating islamic influence, whether in the West or not. I’m half tempted to never give another cent to a charitable NGO working on Africa but a) I don’t go around making dubious blanket generalizations and b) I’d have to trust the accuracy of the username you chose. Which I don’t, since you’re telling to my face that I am pro-islamic or an enabler of islam. I would ask you to go on a soul-search journey and think of what you’re trying to achieve here. And by “you”, I mean the two or three naive lurkers who didn’t immediately chuckled and shake their heads when reading your assertions.

          Best regards,
          Angemon.

        • Ex-muslim says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 9:41 pm

          African infidel

          God bless you too brother!

          I do understand what I am talking about because I have seen Western medics in the field (in ME) making excuses to treat Christian victims of islamic violence while treating and even feeding muslim jihadist murderers. I have seen this with my own eyes many times!

        • Jay Boo says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 8:34 am

          Ex-muslim is overlooking the bigger picture:

          — in that Christianblood is more intent on being divisive than actually addressing failings of the West.

        • Christianblood says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 9:17 am

          Burmeseyang posted

          (… i am from Burma (Myanmar) and our country is endangered by muslim jihad invasion and western nations want us to be nice to muslims that want to kill us. before we were better off but now it is getting scary because our new leader (Aung San Suu Kyi) is following western democracy and this may weaken our future nationalism and defences against islamic invasion and sabotage…)

          Welcome! I actually prayed for Myanmar and I knew this was coming, I will keep praying that your country keeps its sovereignty. The West will definitely side with muslims and their “democracy” will weaken your national identity and common sense, exposing to the threat of islamo-fascism and other moral and social dangers

        • Fessitude says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 3:26 pm

          Ex-muslim says

          April 22, 2016 at 8:53 pm

          @ Gravenimage & Angemon:

          If the West is not pro islam as ‘Christianblood’ says…

          *****************

          Well, the West is certainly behaving in a variety of ways that are arguably “pro-Islam”. No careful reader of Jihad Watch over the years could possibly conclude (without a lobotomy) otherwise. The question then becomes (as William F. Buckley (PBUH) was fond of saying): Why is the West doing this?

          Now, of course when we say “the West” we don’t mean literally the entire West as in “all Westerners”. There have been signs in the West, here and there, of a glacially, excrutiatingly stillicidal reawakening to the problem of Islam. By and large, however, the main West that’s chugging along with its amazingly diverse — and flawed (for nobody’s perfect) — career going Forward into Progress seems either blithely unconcerned about Islam or whenever it can’t help notice Islam (i.e., whenever the Muslims du jour explode), it reacts reflexively with burps and farts (and sometimes long drawn-out diarrhea, as when Carly Fiorina gushed out 408 words of lofty praise for medieval Islam in a speech in the weeks after 911) drawn from the worldview of its Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism.

          Which brings us back to “Why is the West doing this?” The answer this Christianblood character rather ham-fistedly suggests isn’t that much different from the various “Real-Problemers” I keep bumping into in the Counter-Jihad. He just happens to rub some of the JW Loyalists the wrong way by saying certain things the wrong way (a fault which apparently many another Jihad Watch commenter blurting out things implying a cabal of Dastardly Leftists being the “real problem” manages to convey under the radar of those aforementioned Loyalists…).

          The real problem (of the Problem of the Problem) is the lack of any reasonable explanation cultivated by the Counter-Jihad for the main question above; and so, in the informal climate of this “Explanatory Vacuum” (for the Counter-Jihad, like Nature, abhors a vacuum), other and dubious explanations rush in to fill it, ending up with a demonization of one sort or another of our fellow Westerners (i.e., of some scapegoated segment of it).

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 8:09 pm

          Fessitude posted:

          “The answer this Christianblood character rather ham-fistedly suggests”

          For the record, myself and gravenimage were calling CB on his hatred of the West when you were going, and I quote:

          I’m beginning to like this commenter, Christianblood. A rare voice of sanity on this comments thread.

          You have a blind-spot as large as your ego. You hate JW. You hate the contributors. You hate the commentators. There’s no going around that. And you hate them because you think you know better than the contributors and that the commentators should see that and take your side and fight your battles for you. Anyone who takes what Mr. Spencer, or Mr. Fitzgerald, or Mr. Ibrahim, to name a few, write over what you write gets on your s***list – you brand us “JW loyalists” and deride and sneer us. So when someone comes and tells you what you want to hear, you swoon and distribute positive reinforcement while remaining oblivious to anything else they say. Hence why you were calling West-hating CB a “rare voice of sanity” AFTER myself and GI pointed out that he hated the West as much as any given jihadi.

          That you presume to lecture us about CB given your track record would be hilariously funny if not for the fact you expect – nay, demand – to be taken seriously.

          “isn’t that much different from the various “Real-Problemers” I keep bumping into in the Counter-Jihad.”

          Unless the “Real-Problemers” you mention (without ever explaining the rhyme or reason behind it, let alone name them – it’s just a blanket designation to tar people who disagree with you) have a history of treating the West almost as bad as you treat “Spencer loyalists” or praising Putin, I’d say they’re very different. You might have missed it, but CB is here with a mission – it just happens that part of his mission is to spread propaganda against the West. But again, blind-spot – if you don’t like something someone says, or if it doesn’t fit your narrative, you simply ignore it and carry on all the same.

          “He just happens to rub some of the JW Loyalists the wrong way by saying certain things the wrong way”

          Now this is monstrously false. I don’t presume to speak for GI, so I’m going to go on a limb and say that GI, like myself, oppose CB’s hatred of the West on an ideological ground, not because of the way he words his posts. I, and I’m assuming GI as well, hate totalitarian regimes. That means that, in addition to islam, I oppose Putin’s Russia – there is no wording or “right” way to say things that would get me on board with a autocratic kleptocracy.

          Not only you don’t speak for me, voeg, you never even asked me why I oppose CB, so your assertion that he “rubs” me (as one of the people you deridingly call “JW Loyalists”) the “wrong way” because he says “certain things the wrong way” is a big, steaming pile of horse crap. There nothing – literally – he could say, no matter how he worded it, that would get me to say “you know what? You’re right – the whole West is pro-islam, hates Christians and Putin is a really nice guy who just wants the best for everyone, and the fault lies with NATO encroaching and surrounding Russia, and the West is spreading hatred of Russia for no good reason”.

          It’s not a matter of style, it’s a matter of content. Of course, I suspect you know this, you just didn’t want to miss a chance to sit in the sidelines and snipe at the people you’re supposed to be fighting alongside with.

          “(a fault which apparently many another Jihad Watch commenter blurting out things implying a cabal of Dastardly Leftists being the “real problem” manages to convey under the radar of those aforementioned Loyalists…).”

          That’s indeed a title contender for the “Strawman of the Year” award.

          “The real problem (of the Problem of the Problem)”

          As opposed to what, your strawman?

          “is the lack of any reasonable explanation cultivated by the Counter-Jihad for the main question above;”

          Let me guess: only you have the one, only true faith, I mean, answer – we’re supposed to listen and believe, like in a religion or cult.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 4:53 pm

          True, Angemon and Dumbledore’s Army.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 5:07 pm

          Ex-muslim wrote:

          @ Gravenimage & Angemon:

          If the West is not pro islam as ‘Christianblood’ says then why is it many, many Western governments, US included, Western churches of all denominations, the Vatican, the Pope, Western NG’os are all aiding and abetting muslims…
          ……………………………..

          I have noted many times that the West has been very foolish in its dealings with Islam, including on the very thread–how can Ex-muslim possibly have missed all that?

          More:

          Why is it that you have the guts to deny all the facts that are proving the reality that C.B is talking about? What the hell is wrong with you? Why are you so dishonest? Why are u (sic) denying the facts?
          ……………………………..

          I have denied no facts, and have been quite critical of the West.

          What “Christianblood” will not acknowledge is that it is not just the West, but much of Dar-al-Harb that has foolishly enabled Islam.

          Russia, for example, has allowed the formation of a Shari’ah state in Chechnya, has enabled a nuclear Iran, and Putin himself showed how he hates the West more than he is concerned about the threat of Islam when he cited with approval the conclusion of “certain theoreticians who say that Orthodox Christianity is much closer to Islam than Catholicism is.”

          Of course, it is not Catholics who are blowing up subway stations and taking schools full of children hostage in Russia–that would be Muslims. But his animus for the West means he is willing to toady to the very Muslims *murdering Russians*.

          *That* is what is going on–that much of Dar-al-Harb is clueless and enabling of our common enemy.

          *That* is not dishonest–ignoring it is.

          We should be allying to oppose Islam–but Putin apologists are not interested in that. He just uses this forum to tout Putin and excoriate the West. If he is really opposed to the depredations of Islam, I have yet to see it.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 8:19 pm

          gravenimage posted:

          “I have noted many times that the West has been very foolish in its dealings with Islam, including on the very thread–how can Ex-muslim possibly have missed all that?”

          Yes, you have. But that goes against their narrative, so they don’t mention it. Why bother with details and individual cases when sweeping, blanket statements are far more dramatic – i.e., appeal to emotions, a logical fallacy?

          Also, if you have the time, please read this (old) Forbes article:

          http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/12/09/putins-new-weapon-in-the-ukraine-propaganda-war-internet-trolls/#15ee289059e5

        • Pong says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 6:38 pm

          Dumbledoresarmy.”Sometimes I wonder whether he isn’t a Mohammedan in a mask playing ‘split the camp’.”
          Unlikely. And he doesn’t need to. You yourself correctly identified the main reason of the split in your previous post.

        • Christianblood says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 9:28 pm

          Fessitude

          Your English is bit too complicated for me but thanks expressing your opinion.

        • Mazo says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 10:02 pm

          @Burmeseyang

          Muslim Hui Panthays are part of the Burmese nation and citizens of
          Burma.

          If you want to find out who is sponsoring the invasion of Bengalis into your country, look towards Washington DC, London, Canberra, and Wall Street.

        • Fessitude says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 3:23 pm

          Ex-muslim wrote:

          @ Gravenimage & Angemon:

          “If the West is not pro islam as ‘Christianblood’ says then why is it many, many Western governments, US included, Western churches of all denominations, the Vatican, the Pope, Western NG’os are all aiding and abetting muslims…”

          gravenimage replied:

          “I have noted many times that the West has been very foolish in its dealings with Islam…”

          Ex-muslim didn’t say “been foolish in its dealings with Islam”, he said “pro-Islam”.

          The locution “been foolish in its dealings with Islam” is approximately as ambiguous in its purport as its opposite, “pro-Islam”. The latter could mean consciously, willfully and knowingly pro-Islam (where “knowledge” means knowing actual Islam, as opposed to the traveling Potemkin village it has become, thanks in great part to the West, in fact — in which case the West would be evil, which is where Christianblood’s rhetoric seems to be going (a direction, as I said previously above, quite a few other Counter-Jihadists here at Jihad Watch and even more so at Gates of Vienna seem drawn to in their Elitistic frustration at our Western “Elites”); but it doesn’t necessarily have to mean this (hence the ambiguity). The word could just as well be denoting “effectively pro-Islam because it is robustly enabling Islam even though the enabler evidently doesn’t know the evil and danger of Islam” Similarly, the locution “been foolish in its dealings with Islam” could mean a whole variety of things – such as, “hasn’t wisely been supporting ‘democracy’ in the Muslim world in order to help the vast demographic of decent Muslims to reform Islam” on one end of the spectrum, all the way to being robustly synonymous with “pro-Islam” in the sense I exampled above. Why didn’t gravenimage just respond to Ex-muslim by agreeing that the West is, indeed, pro-Islam – not in the sense of knowing collusion, but in the sense of a robust enablement that, practically speaking, may well seem almost tantamount to same?

        • Angemon says

          Apr 25, 2016 at 8:55 pm

          Fessitude posted:

          “Ex-muslim didn’t say “been foolish in its dealings with Islam”, he said “pro-Islam”.”

          That’s the opening. The closing is:

          “Why didn’t gravenimage just respond to Ex-muslim by agreeing that the West is, indeed, pro-Islam – not in the sense of knowing collusion, but in the sense of a robust enablement that, practically speaking, may well seem almost tantamount to same?”

          I could go with the classic “he said pro-islam, not almost tantamount to being pro islam”, but I won’t bother discussing another of your spasms of dual standards. You clearly have no idea of what’s being discussed, Fess. Stop trying to run interference for the pro-totalitarian crowd.

        • Mark Swan says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 6:23 pm

          “hasn’t wisely been supporting ‘democracy’ in the Muslim world in order to help the vast demographic of decent Muslims to reform Islam”

          When Muslim-majority nations have the opportunity to hold democratic elections to choose their government…they elect Islamist candidates…even when those candidates oppose the very democracy that allowed their election.

          Support for such a development seems widespread across the Middle East…Middle East use of democracy…is leading some in the West to envision Western-style democracies taking root…However…we should remember that under Sunni Islam…the Caliph is elected…A democratic restoration of the Caliphate may now be thinkable.

          We should recognize the likelihood…the danger…that more Islamist governments may be on the horizon…Islamist political philosophy advocates the rule of nations (and eventually the whole world…through conversion or conquest) by the many centuries of Sharia law built on the foundation of the Muslim book…the Qu’ran.

          The system of Islam is about control, anyone hoping to change that critical point will discover this.

          Its effectiveness negates any amount of Muslim reformist.

        • Burmeseyang says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 10:39 pm

          Mazo

          dear Mazo & Christianblood, many people in Myanmar treat the new govrnmnt in Myanmar as illegitimate and only serving the western interests that you pointed out. what is worrying many people is that this new pro western gvrnmnt will be weak in the face of impending islamic threats and that because its western democratic, naive liberal pacifist attitudes it will weaken the resolve of the majority Buddhist Burmese to defend themselves against islamic aggression. Thank you!

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 25, 2016 at 1:47 pm

          Very tired of the trolls ignorance of the west, and dishonesty about the source of our losing our knowledge of our roots and history.

          We ARE losing our foundation in all too many areas…. Education has become indoctrination, media is political propaganda, our legal system is tainted by vile and corrupt politics, and our politics are a threat to all we hold to be of value…. Very depressing, and very sad.

          But what is the cause of the rot that cb (neither a Christian, and eager to see others bloody spilled) is so fond of decrying? What has been the major cause of the corruption, which does indeed exist and threatens us all?? Who has been so successful at attacking us, as an enemy to be destroyed by any and all means……

          Fellow travelers, useful idiots, indoctrinated fools spreading their vile and vicious fraud about the west, killing it with lies…. Well, lets face it…. The soviet union lost the cold war, but their stealth efforts to divide us against each other, to weaken us from within, has been much too successful… And this demented troll comes by, and attacks us for the success that he and his have attained, at our expense.l

          YOU, and your ilk are the source of our anti-Christian rot, the rejection of our success and greatness. howard zinn was NOT president of the NRA…. He was a vile and vicious hater of all that is good in the west, and produced a book of lies that those like him have put in classroom throughout the US….

          Feel free to take your cheques by pointing fingers at us for our cultural suicide… But don’t lie about it being an actual suicide, it is more accurately described as cultural murder, committed by you and your masters. The Political Correctness that is poisoning us and taking our strength, is a war committed against us by the left… by the friends and community that cb is a member of.

      • Angemon says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 8:04 pm

        Christianblood posted:

        “It is not only the Pope, the WHOLE Western societies, churches and governments are pro islam and anti-Christian. They all love muslims and are even fighting for them in their jihadist wars while ignoring the plight of global victims of bloody islamic jihad and violence.”

        We get it – you’re a troll paid to spread anti-Western propaganda. But do remember which site you’re in, and do pay attention to what others write. Because you’re saying that everyone here on JW is pro-islam, anti-Christian and loves muslims.

        Insulting people here won’t get you any traction.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 8:24 pm

          Sometimes I wonder whether he isn’t a Mohammedan in a mask playing ‘split the camp’.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 8:00 am

          Indeed. I made similar remarks – I said that his hatred of the West was indistinguishable from any jihadi’s – and quickly got chided by the usual Putinphilic crowd.

          I think there’s a simpler explanation, though:

          http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house

        • mortimer says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 8:57 pm

          Angemon wrote: “Is anyone else tired of this from “Christianblood”?”

          Yes. I second what Angemon and dumbledoresarmy wrote in this regard.

          The US is a highly Christian country, while Russia is much less so. While 9% of Russians declare they attend church once a month, 18% of Americans attend once a week (those figures are reported by pastors who count). 40% of Americans attend once a month or more. Black Americans are the most pious Christians, however, Afro-Americans tend to underestimate the threat of Islam compared with white Christians who are realistic. Actual church attendance in Russia may be even less than the 9% that is self-reported.

          The US is guided by a great Congress, but a naïve and foolish president. The US needs another Ronald Reagan with the vision to point out the ‘Evil Empire of Islam’.

        • Custos Custodum says

          Apr 22, 2016 at 11:39 pm

          Sometimes I wonder whether he isn’t a Mohammedan in a mask playing ‘split the camp’.

          A few weeks back, a post here noted the possibility of:

          … provocateurs [who] camouflage their Muslim affinities behind over-the-top “Christian” handles such as “Christianblood” … working off coordinated talking points. … [T]hey never lose sight for even a second of their true objectives – disinformation and distraction.

      • African infidel says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 9:07 pm

        To Christianblood

        The West don’t care about Christians being murdered by muslims. The West cares about money, oil, materialism, cars, luxury, sex, political influence etc, etc. If the Saudis give them more cheaper oil and demand all Christian churches be closed down in the West, Westerners will obey them and do the saudi will. Westerners sold out their soul with sex, money and materialism and they will get their karma!

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 7:01 am

          ALL westerners? Really? You do realize that the vast majority of posters here at Jihadwatch are *westerners”??? So I and Gravenimage and everyone else here are all greedy sexually immoral enablers of Islam? Really? REALLY?

          FYI I attend church every single Sunday and have done so for the past forty years of my life. I was a virgin when I married (as was my husband) and I and he have been faithfully married for 29 years. And **we’re not the only ones**. There are plenty of decent, honest, godly Christians – and decent, honest people generally – still left in the western world. A lot of them are joining the resistance to Islamisation. Where is PEGIDA springing from?

          There is *plenty* of spiritual life left in the West.

          Mr Spencer is a westerner, even if part of his ancestry is from the ‘middle east’ (fugitive ex-Dhimmi Christians, who found *refuge* in that godless, materialistic, Evil West that you are so enjoying writing off as dead, dead, dead).

          DO NOT talk about ‘the west’ in such absolute terms.

          DO NOT indulge in fatalism and schadenfreude.

          IF you identify as a Christian it is a very unhealthy attitude. IF you are a Christian, get down on your knees and pray – not for the destruction of ‘the West’, nor for its transformation into a replica of, say, Putin’s Russia, but.. for redemption and renewal, for the *best* of the West to be restored.

          Unless you believe that ‘the West’, all the way back from the 9th century and all the way forward to the 20th, was ALWAYS and has always been irredeemably wicked??

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 5:47 pm

          African infidel wrote:

          To Christianblood

          The West don’t care about Christians being murdered by muslims. The West cares about money, oil, materialism, cars, luxury, sex, political influence etc, etc. If the Saudis give them more cheaper oil and demand all Christian churches be closed down in the West, Westerners will obey them and do the saudi will. Westerners sold out their soul with sex, money and materialism and they will get their karma!
          ……………………….

          I join with Dumbledore’s Army in noting how absurd these assertions are.

          The vast majority of commenters here are Westerners–from the US, Canada, Britain, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand.

          Are you claiming that Jihad Watch cares nothing for Christians and the other victims of JIhad aggression? That is, in fact, the whole point of this site.

          Robert Spencer is a Westerner. Other staunch Anti-Jihadists like his colleague Pamela Geller is a Westerner.

          As for faith, the United States is 83% Christian–this compares with Russia at 50%. Given that Russia was under Communist rule for decades, this should not surprise.

          As noted, the West also–the actions of the witless current pope aside–has a long history of taking in threatened Christians.

          As for alleged universal out of control sexual license, my husband and I have been faithfully married for 28 years. Quite a large number of posters here, including Dumbledore’s Army–as she has noted–have also been married for over a quarter-century.

          If you believe the West is so hopeless, why are you even posting here? Unless–like some few others here–you are more interested in castigating the West than in fighting Islam?

      • Ivan Konstantinov says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 8:16 am

        I agree that not only the pope, also many protestant churches in the West are totally diluted. There has no salt left in them and they are absolutely useless.

        • Christianblood says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 9:02 am

          Ivan Konstantinov posted:

          (…I agree that not only the pope, also many protestant churches in the West are totally diluted. There has no salt left in them and they are absolutely useless…)

          Exactly Ivan! They are diluted!

        • Fessitude says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 3:31 pm

          Haven’t you heard the recommendations of the PC MC Food & Nutrition Council: Too much salt causes hypertension (and bigotry). Cut your salt down by 43% and use Leftist sea salt that hasn’t harmed any Islamic orca (Jihad Whales)…

      • Ivan Konstantinov says

        Apr 27, 2016 at 7:59 am

        This is the last pope from St. Malachy’s prophecy, where he’s mentioned as Petrus Romanus.
        I don’t take these prophecies too seriously but it may be a sign of something. Anyways, the more “souls” we win for Christ, the bigger chances the peace has!

    • Enrico says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 6:02 am

      Francis is not the Pope, but an antipope. For more information on what has taken place in Rome you could check out vaticancatholic.com

  4. Alexius Comnenus says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 3:49 pm

    Try these sites.
    http://www.our lady of lasalette.com
    http://www.thepopeinred.com/secret.htm

  5. SpiritOf1683 says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    Excuses excuses. If there is a terrorist atrocity in italy, you can be certain that Christians won’t be involved. This is yet another example of Europe’s fetish for taking in those whose desire is to do harm. Hasn’t the last year alone of all things taught these Euro-morons anything? Obviously not.

    • Ex-muslim says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 9:34 pm

      SpiritOf1683 says:

      (This is yet another example of Europe’s fetish for taking in those whose desire is to do harm).

      Very true indeed!

  6. Guest says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    I knew it! The pope has abandoned theChristians in the Middle East! They are slaughtered and doesn’t offer them so much as a prayer.

    • Ex-muslim says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 9:26 pm

      Guest says:

      (I knew it! The pope has abandoned theChristians in the Middle East! They are slaughtered and doesn’t offer them so much as a prayer).

      Exactly True!

    • Custos Custodum says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 11:55 am

      Secular powers have always been closely involved in the appointment of popes – watch “The Borgias” for a flavor of this phenomenon during one period.

      In our days, one notes (i) Benedict XVI resigned, apparently under some pressure; and (ii) the surprising election of Francis brought to the seat of St. Peter a third-world “liberation” priest.

      Would anyone bet AGAINST the CIA and American-funded NGO’s having played a major role in both events?

      In a break with Vatican traditions, Francis was soon summoned to Washington DC to give a speech endorsing “Climate Change” as a smokescreen for more socialist totalitarianism.

      Embarrassingly, Francis who had evidently never even read his speech to Congress (written by German atheist agitator Schellnhuber and some Vatican associates) presented a sorry spectacle as he stumbled from word to word without a hint of understanding what he was saying.

  7. brane pilot says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    Christians left to rot, while Muslims who slaughter them are brought in to fill the local mosque.

    By a sitting Pope.

    I’m not a religious nut, but it really is starting to look like the end of the world.

    • Ex-muslim says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 9:31 pm

      brane pilot says:

      (Christians left to rot, while Muslims who slaughter them are brought in to fill the local mosque. By a sitting Pope).

      Exactly right! As (Christianblood) says above, the whole Western world, including the Western governments and religious leaders are not only ignoring Christian suffering but are directly aiding and abetting muslim perpetrators in SO many different ways and only FOOLS would deny this.

      • Western Canadian says

        Apr 25, 2016 at 2:01 pm

        And only fools would deny that it is the influence of the hard left that permits this to happen.

  8. ainu888 says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    Both Mr. Obama and the Pope are pseudo leftist narcissists, who are trying hard to cement their popularity, while ignoring the harsh realities and the responsibility of their respective offices. If you don’t fit into the category of the victim as defined by these gentlemen, you’re on your own really.

    I was enthusiastic when both were catapulted into office in dramatic fashion, only to be disappointed afterward. Never miss a photo opportunity, or create the psychological illusion of working for “peace.”

    Both have delivered cliches over hard solutions to real world problems.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 11:48 pm

      Thanks for the frank statement.

      Allow me, for the benefit of others still striving for satori, to ask a follow-up question: Do you NOW think that Obama’s antecedents (family, name at birth, father at birth, stepfather, grandfather, grandmother) should have been considered much more closely?

      Also, do you NOW think that some bizarre particulars in Obama’s “career” – such as it was – including in particular the mystifying and unwitnessed period as Columbia, the “fortuitous” disappearance of rival candidates for the Illinois senate seat, etc. – should have given pause in 2008? And perhaps even more in 2012?

      • ainu888 says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 4:57 pm

        Here are my views:

        (1) No, I don’t think Obama’s family name at birth or origin should have been cause for pause, since a person of any heritage can fall victim to naive levels of childish idealism Mr. Obama seems to suffer from.

        (2) However, his political affiliations are different matter. There was enough there to indicate he would be inflexible in his dealings with those who disagreed with him.

  9. SpiritOf1683 says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez wrote this 10 years ago, and it rings truer than ever:

    ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

    I walked down the street in Barcelona , and suddenly discovered a terrible truth – Europe died in Auschwitz … We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world..

    The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

    And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

    They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.

    Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

    And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

    We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

    What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe ……

  10. Bridget Ames says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    Pray for the persecuted Christians, the pope, and the persecuted Church.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 8:28 pm

      Yes.

      Pray that the Pope might repent his folly.

      By the way; the Czech republic, as reported in the Barnabas Fund prayer booklet for March/ April, just took in 153 Iraqi Christians (who would probably be of Assyrian ethnicity). This is as part of Barnabas’ “Operation Safe Havens”.

      All of us can write to our respective governments *urging* them to get on board with Operation Safe Havens.

      They can be quite sure that any Christian Syrian or Iraqi refugees identified, nominated and vouched for by Barnabas really *are* Christians, not Muslims pretending to be what they ain’t. Barnabas know their stuff.

    • Peggy says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 4:16 am

      Pray for the Pope? Why? Is someone doing something horrible to him?
      I pray for the persecuted Christians, Jews and others in ME, the victims of evil. The Pope supports this evil and kisses it’s feet.
      I pray that the Pope is removed very quickly.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 7:08 am

        So you would refuse to pray for his *repentance*???

        Really?

        We are supposed to pray for our persecutors.

        The litany – which I just prayed through, today – says thus: “Forgive our enemies, slanderers and persecutors, AND TURN THEIR HEARTS”.

        In the book of Ezekiel God says that he does NOT desire the death of the wicked, but that they should *turn* from their wickedness and LIVE.

        If Pope Francis were to *repent* of his folly, and read some of Mr Spencer’s books, or Mark Durie’s book on Dhimmitude, or invite Geert Wilders and/ or Bat Yeor to an audience at the Vatican (as Benedict XVI invited Oriana Fallaci, she the fearless truth-teller), and began to speak openly and boldly, would not that be very useful? It would set a powerful example.

        • Peggy says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 7:26 am

          So then by the same reasoning we should pray for the Muslims too.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 5:24 pm

        I can’t reply to you below, where you said ‘by the same reasoning we should pray for the Muslims too’.

        So I’ll reply here.

        The answer is, Yes, of course. One prays for their **conversion**. For their liberation from Islam. Because one believes in a God who is capable of **raising the dead, healing the sick, and casting out demons**. Every time a Muslim leaves Islam and becomes a Christian it is a miracle of God’s divine power!

        Every day I try to stop and pray, for the following three things 1/ the defeat of the Jihad, and specifically and immediately the exposure and failure of all jihad plots 2/ the relief and deliverance of those who are being attacked and abused by Muslims, especially non-Muslims (Christian and other) trapped within Muslim-dominated lands and, last but not least, 3/ **the conversion of Muslims to Christ**.

        Sure, I know that every one of those requests will not necessarily every time be granted. But I pray nevertheless.

        • Peggy says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 11:00 pm

          I agree that we should pray for the dame three things. The line about praying for the Pope and the Muslims was not to say that I hope they don’t receive the spirit but that I cannot pray for their welfare as they are now. You see, I can’t see either the Pope of most Muslims changing because they have already been claimed by the evil one so their welfare is not on my agenda to pray for.

  11. Kepha says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 5:17 pm

    Speaking as a God-bless-King-Billy Protestant, I never hold very high expectations of any Pope. Robert’s quoting Luke in his article is entirely appropriate, and rendered all the more poignant given the author is himself a Christian of Middle Eastern descent. Too many Christians, in too many ways, are being given stones and serpents when they beg for bread or fish from their supposed spiritual “fathers”–and this goes for the Mainstream so-called “Protestant” leadership that is more concerned with affirming sexual perversion and Sasquatch-in-a-dress-and-wig urinating next to our wives, sisters, daughters, and grand-daughters than they are with proclaiming the Gospel, aid to their fellow believers, or helping the Muslim who may be exploring a better way.

    Experience is the best teacher only because Mr. Experience keeps the only school in which fools will learn. In both church and state, our elites are setting us up for a number of drastic lessons from this very rough school–and if Norway’s Mr. Hauken is a portent, it seems that our progressive leadership has become incapable of learning anything.

    • Jay Boo says

      Apr 24, 2016 at 3:56 pm

      “Sasquatch-in-a-dress-and-wig urinating next to our wives, sisters, daughters, and grand-daughters ”
      ———————————————————-

      It took a minute for that to sink in.
      NPR/BBC has thoroughly demonized North Carolina Governor McCrory about that issue. I would even be willing to listen to their (valid reasons) against the bill if they had any at all but, all they do is rant incessantly about ‘discrimination’ without addressing any specific reasons for their position. On one segment I heard either the host on some spokesperson call the North Carolina HB2 as being against Tran-sexuals —- (AND gays) which is dishonest to make that inclusion.

      • Mark Swan says

        Apr 24, 2016 at 11:57 pm

        In contrast to the politically correct legislation now in vogue around the globe, “The American College of Pediatricians warned legislators and educators… to reject all policies that condition children to accept transgenderism as normal, adding that attempts to normalize a condition classified as a mental illness is child abuse… When an otherwise healthy biological boy believes he is a girl, or an otherwise healthy biological girl believes she is a boy, an objective psychological problem exists that lies in the mind not the body, and it should be treated as such… Pointing to data from the DSM-V, the American College of Pediatricians said as many as 98 percent of gender confused boys and 88 percent of gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty”

  12. occupant 9 says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    The message is clear: the Pope prefers Islam for it is far closer to his Leftarded distopia than any other set of terrible and ruthlessly savage ideas.

    • Ex-muslim says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 10:08 pm

      occupant 9 says:

      (The message is clear: the Pope prefers Islam for it is far closer to his Leftarded distopia than any other set of terrible and ruthlessly savage ideas).

      True. He has the guts to fly dozen muslims to rome, not even included a single Christian! He is a hypocrite and a traitor!

      • Peggy says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 4:19 am

        And look at the symbolism. He take 12 Muslims and he is the 13th.
        Is he saying that the Muslims are now Apostoles?
        In which world is this normal?

      • ninetyninepct says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 10:41 am

        This pope had better spend a lot of his time learning about the Koran and Islam. Muslims believe that the moment they pray in a building that it is forever a mosque. This idiot of course is going to let them do that and ISIS has already said they intend to destroy the Basilica, to destroy Christianity. This pope jerk is helping them do that and he is stupid and ignorant enough to do that. He intentionally took muzzies rather than people.

        I was brought up as a Catholic but walked away when I realized in my mid 20’s just how hypocritical and male chauvinistic it was.

  13. R Russell says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    The Scripture is clear: Do good to all men, ESPECIALLY those of the household of faith. His responsibility is to Christians first of all, then to non-Christians. But then again, it appears the RC Church doesn’t understand Christianity or Islam for pope Francis said in Dec 2015 that Christians and Muslims are brothers! I suppose that makes it ok for him to favour Muslims. I wonder how pope Francis will feel when ISIS comes for Rome. It is in their 5 year plan, announced last year.

    • Ex-muslim says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 10:12 pm

      R Russel says:

      (The Scripture is clear: Do good to all men, ESPECIALLY those of the household of faith. His responsibility is to Christians first of all, then to non-Christians. But then again, it appears the RC Church doesn’t understand Christianity or Islam for pope Francis said in Dec 2015 that Christians and Muslims are brothers!)

      I am sure the Pope loves muslims and hates Christians. I have seen with my own eyes ‘humanitarian’ medics from the West refusing to treat wounded Christians while treating and even feeding muslim jihadist killers in the ME.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 3:19 am

        More to the point, the Pope probably hates Orthodox Christians and Coptic Christians. Those Christians in question will probably be Orthodox Christians, and we know Coptic Christians have their own Pope.

        • R Russell says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 4:35 am

          The Pope is a Jesuit. The answer lies there.

        • Mike Proulx says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 6:45 am

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmjAjrlrE10

          This video tells it all.

          RCC Apostate Church,

          Being a Christian means being a Child of God not of the RCC, Jesus is the Head of the Church not the Pope.
          The teachings of Catholicism are very deceitful, not scriptural.
          Having a Jesuit Pope should speak volumes.

          http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Extreme_Oath_of_the_Jesuits.pdfd volumes.

          2 Timothy 3:5King James Version (KJV)

          5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

          There are many good Catholics who love the Lord, but they need to take head to the word of God for wolves have entered amongst the flock.
          Its not about bashing Catholics of whom I was once a part of, but by the Grace of God was saved out of that deceptive form of godliness.

        • Christianblood says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 9:04 am

          Very likely!

        • SpiritOf1683 says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 5:04 pm

          Its not about bashing Catholics. The Pope himself is the issue here.

      • Enrico says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 6:10 am

        This is yet another indication that the West is almost at the verge of total self destruction. You still can possibly save your soul: vaticancatholic.com

  14. Al47 says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    This is incomprehensible. Why weren’t these two Christians selected? is there any way to bring them to this country? I’m sure people in the U.S. can help these two young siblings.

    • Christianblood says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 9:07 am

      Al47 posted

      (…This is incomprehensible. Why weren’t these two Christians selected? is there any way to bring them to this country?…)

      The answer is simple: Western establishment whether religious or political are deeply anti-Christian and very pro muslim to the core.

      • R Russell says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 2:55 pm

        D Cameron has chosen 20,000 refugees to come to the UK over 5 years. Not even one is Christian. A Lebanese minister warned him 2% of camp inmates were ISIS but he took them anyway. Potentially taking in to the UK 400 jihadis.
        There were no Christians in the refugee camps for they were bullied so much they had to leave, thus Cameron deliberately chose 20,000 Muslims who were persecuting Christians. We know what to expect from them in the UK. Meanwhile the Christians in hiding outside of the camps were brought to D Cameron’s attention by the Archbishop of Canterbury and other prominent Christians. They were ignored. Thus the UK, like the pope has chosen to deliberately leave the persecuted minority to their fate. May God grant security to these persecuted Christians. D Cameron will be wishing he had brought the Christians if the UK votes to remain in the EU for the hijrah and dawa will then come to the UK and the country will be under the judgment of God.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 7:43 pm

          Did Cameron pick the “refugees” himself or simply signed the sheet without reading?

        • Lion of Judah's Cub says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 9:46 pm

          I consider the abandonment of Israel and the persecuted Christians and Jews in the Middle East and elsewhere as a partial fulfillment of Revelation 11 where the two witnesses/prophets are persecuted, killed and left to rot in the streets.

          The two witnesses are the faithful Jews and Christians throughout history who have preached about God and Christ by their words and by their lives, many to the point of martyrdom (e.g. consider the pogroms and holocaust of the Jews and the on-going persecution of Christians since the time of Christ’s death and resurrection).

          Jesus states in Revelation 11:4 that the two witnesses “are the two olive trees and the two lampstands which stand before the Lord of the earth.” Elsewhere in the Bible the olive trees reference Israel and later the gentiles grafted onto Israel (i.e., Christians).

          Revelation 11:7-10 And when they have finished their testimony,the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will make war upon them and conquer them and kill them, and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified. For three days and a half men from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations gaze at their bodies and refuse to let them be placed in a tomb, and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth.

          The Biblical reference to rejoicing over them and making merry and exchanging presents is often seen in the islamic world when a new terrorist/jihad attack kills Jews or Christians (or their putative representatives).

          Thus, God has forewarned about the indifference by many to the suffering and persecution of Christians and Jews in the latter days.

  15. Jerry says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    An unlucky break for two good people. But in the PC bullsh*t world we live in now for islam, what’s new? It’s a free-for-all right now, who can survive the islamic onslaught? Step right up, grab a pope, grab a lucky break, you too can survive islam’s attack on civilized society. Oh darn, you were a minute too late, your head got chopped, your daughter got raped. That’s the breaks kiddo. It’s planet earth, islam’s world. Get used to it you poor pathetic humans. There is no dignity and human worth now, islam is the new prince of our world. Everyone bow, like obama. And know that our world is forever stained with the blood of innocents for allah. The universe must be proud, we have derailed for evil to satisfy the multicultural itch. Everyone smile, take a picture. And then F*cking die for islam.

    • Jerry says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 7:08 pm

      There is simply no words to describe my contempt for the muslims who are robbing our peace and freedoms. We have to understand that these “moderate” muslims are using a passive aggressive style of cultural jihad no less destructive than the muslims that kill us, it’s worse.

      Def. of Passive aggressive: of or denoting a type of behavior or personality characterized by indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, pouting, or misplacing important materials

      I don’t know, that comes awfully close to describing “moderate muslim.” The real issues are never dealt with, our moral and rational objections are ignored, they whine, obfuscate, and roll over like submissive dogs wanting to be petted by some leftist sympathizer. Let me tell you, this is what’s going to destroy us, not the terrorists.

      We need to let these 4-star canine performers know that verbal prancing and cutesy denials are no longer good enough to meet accusations of murder for allah. They need to wipe their dirty taqiyaa faces clean and start dealing with us like adults who care at least a little about humanity. Or I fear the civil that we all joke about is going to come a lot sooner than commonly thought.

      • Jerry says

        Apr 22, 2016 at 7:21 pm

        “…The civil WAR that we all joke about. You drink a bottle of wine and type a sensible comment.

  16. Salome says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    They look like decent people, and probably are, and I hope they find themselves a safe spot in a Western country, but if they wanted to earn my total sympathy they made a mistake by paying a people smuggler to take them by boat to Lesbos. They should’ve gone Turkey. And if the Pope had wanted to make a gesture, he should have gone to Jordan, or Turkey, or somewhere where there are ‘normal’ refugee camps full of people who didn’t go paying people smugglers to help them invade Europe.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 7:25 pm

      Salome wrote:

      They should’ve gone Turkey.
      ………………………

      Salome, Turkey is not exactly safe for Christians, either:

      “Turkey: Christian Refugees Live in Fear”

      http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7284/turkey-christian-refugees

      I don’t condone their having paid smugglers–but given the danger to them anywhere in Dar-al-Islam, I can’t blame them, either.

      Muslims are a different matter.

      • Salome says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 3:58 am

        If you’re saying that Greece is the nearest country that’s safe, then I’m happy to stand corrected. I gather that Christians are living in fear in ‘migrant camps’ in Europe as well, though.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 4:42 pm

      And because they look like decent people, the West doesn’t want them. They’d rather have the rapacious instead – the sort who raped thousands in Germany inside a couple of nights and bring terrorism in the words of Sebastian Vilar Rordiguez.

    • Kepha says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 11:24 pm

      @Salome: As an old consular officer, I agree that people smugglers are a pretty scurvy crew. When I was in Bangkok, in the wake of the Tiananmen incident in China, I had to debrief every Chinese walk-in who came by our Embassy there–and there were even barely intelligible peasant women from China’s southern tier who reported that they were born in the “Year of the Horse” or some other critter of the Chinese zodiac who were scared for their lives because they’d fed some stranger who turned out to be a wanted student leader. Lots of fleeing people who washed up in Bangkok mentioned that their original plan was to go to Fujian and find a way to get to Taiwan; but the authorities were watching the coast there for political dissidents. Hence these politicals headed further south. Yet in the same period of time, the alien smugglers out of the Fuzhou area (capital of Fujian province, right across from Taiwan) weren’t missing a beat.

      Still, there are clients of those bad guys who may actually have a case; so we have to examine them pretty carefully. Even so, I’m of the mind that when it came from Fuzhou-area asylum seekers, our refugee asylum process got taken for a huge ride back then. It’s seen in the blatant pro-Communist stance of the Fujian-American Association, to which so many of these “refugees” belong. Indeed, I recall some of those old European refugees my late father used to know, who wouldn’t even credit Hitler with making the trains run on time (“efferbutty knows dot ve Chormans are a wery organizated pipple.”).

      Later, while in Guangzhou, I had a case in which it looked as if some enterprising young lady of Taiwan Hakka origins was helping a snake-head gang import its muscle via fiance petitions. I first got suspicious when it turned out that the beneficiary was first cousin to the ex-husband, so I demanded proof that the petitioner and her ex were really separated. The proof were reports from the courts and NY Dept. of Corrections that the ex was doing a life sentence for some very gruesome murders (involving dismemberment, among other things) of some of his fellow Fuzhou-area illegal immigrants, who also happened to be guys who couldn’t pay back what they owed the smuggling gangs (i.e., the ex was an enforcer who got caught). A couple of telephone discussions with the distraught petitioner (a very poor actress who also seemed to think that anyone connected with the US immigration system was a blithering idiot) convinced me she was up to no good, so I sent the petition back to the INS (it’s now part of ICE) with a long memo detailing my suspicions of criminal activity.

      Among the ESOL kids I now teach, there are those who were themselves smuggled, or their parents were. I’m of the mind that we should of course use every loophole in our current laws that allow us to screen in people who are truly in trouble with the nasties in their old countries–but I’m also of the mind that we should further make an effort to go after the smugglers. As for the enforcers who chop people up, it’s too bad more of them aren’t caught in Texas or other states with the death penalty still on the books.

  17. gravenimage says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    Christian refugees “let down” by Pope: he promised to take them to Italy but then took only Muslims instead
    ………………….

    Especially after being *told* they could go. Shameful.

    We had wondered if the Pope specifically took only Muslims. Now we know.

    • Ex-muslim says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 10:16 pm

      Gravenimage:

      Foget about the Pope, I have seen with my own eyes ‘humanitarian’ medics from the West refusing to treat wounded Christians while consistently and day after day treating and even feeding muslim jihadist killers in the ME.

      • Kepha says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 11:17 am

        Tell us a few more details, ex-muslim. I would like to gather a lot more anecdotes and data on the corruption of NGO and international organizations.

  18. mortimer says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 7:55 pm

    Skip the 270 million dead victims of jihad! No! Muslims are the real victims when people resent their jihad, supremacism and misogyny! How intolerant!

    The pope has not studied the Koran, Sira, hadiths, canonical commentaries, manuals of Sharia, Islamic history or books of Islamic jurisprudence, and yet, preposterously, he presents himself as an expert on Muslims.

    The pope is a Pollyanna…totally lacking in realism about the supremacism of Islam.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 8:38 pm

      The pope’s lack of realism, his fantasizing about Islam and lack of defense of persecuted Christians will no doubt result in a drop of trust in the RCC and a drop in revenue. He’d better get on track helping Christians and so had the Curia…they are idiots about Islam.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 4:43 pm

      And had the West been unable to fight back from 720 to 1683, it would have been far more.

  19. somehistory says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    He has no fear that the Christians will become angry and incite Christians in Italy to try and kill him.
    He just might fear that the moslims he doesn’t take will be angry and incite moslims in Italy to try and kill him.

    And this is another example of his to *shame* others into actions favoring moslims, no matter how many Christians are slaughtered by devotees of the beast of islam, worshippers of satan.

    And if the moslims he takes into his abode do him harm, just who will he blame?

  20. Westman says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    Maybe we should be petitioning POTUS and Congress to take this Christian brother and sister into the US while running a GoFundMe campaign for their airfare and resettlement.

    This could have three positive outcomes: Roula and Malek Abo’s opportunity for a life without Muslim domination, a message to Rome and POTUS that “Christians Matter”, and a public discourse on why Christian refugees, and their shabby treatment by Muslim9s and officials, are being ignored.

    The leftists should be upset because the Pope just told them, clearly, that a “real” family, having Mom and Dad, of any faith, is more important than a Christian brother and sister. The left’s definition of a family is two or more people living and sharing responsibilities, together.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Apr 22, 2016 at 9:04 pm

      Good idea.

      A Catholic parish could get in touch with Assyrian Catholic emigre Christians, in, say, Canada or the USA – or Australia! – and propose to *sponsor* these people – and others! I would urge liaising with the emigre Assyrian Catholics, both Iraqi and Syrian, that exist within the West and have existed since the 19th century, because these people usually still have members who speak the homeland language/s (both Syriac and Arabic) and have good knowledge of the church and familial networks in the homeland, thus are less likely to be fooled by any Muslim who tries to ‘fake’ a Christian identity.

  21. dumbledoresarmy says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    There is nothing to stop Catholic jihadwatchers, no matter what country they reside in, from writing directly to the Pope to give him – politely but loudly – a flea in the ear on this subject. No reason why Christians of other traditions can’t join in and back up the Catholics and tell the Pope he is making a *huge* mistake by favouring and fawning upon and grovelling to the Mohammedans.

    Nothing to stop Catholics here present from writing incessantly to their Cardinals, Archbishops and Bishops, as well. And to their secular heads of state, urging that they look into joining Barnabas Fund’s ‘Operation Safe Havens’ project if they aren’t already on board.

    Nothing to stop any jihad-aware European Catholics from holding a sit-down rally, complete with prayer and fasting, right there outside St Peter’s in Rome on behalf of their persecuted brethren (and if they did that, they should invite their Protestant and Orthodox brethren – and *all* Islamoresistant persons, religious or nonreligious, to join in; nonreligious persons, Jews and Sikhs and Hindus, need not join in the prayers but could be present to show solidarity with persecuted fellow-Infidels and defiance toward the Ummah).

    • Rufolino says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 3:27 am

      A sit-down protest in St.Peter’s Square ? You must be joking. These days you aren’t even permitted to walk up the steps in front of St.Peter’s. The police will soon move you on.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 7:10 am

        Okay, if that is the case, then have a good long think about some other suitable spot. The more publicity the better.

        And for that matter: imagine if a whole bunch of Christians with crosses and placards bearing the names of persecuted and martyred Syrian and Iraqi Christians were *arrested*.. and carted off to jail whilst singing hymns. It might at least help raise awareness.

        You can’t know how things will turn out until you try.

        And the *more* people try, all at once, the better.

        Easy to shut down a protest of 10 or 20 people.. Harder to shut down a thousand.

  22. Michael Poulin says

    Apr 22, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    Francis is an embarrassment to true Catholics. Francis’ “mentor”was a communist. Francis is a communist at heart. He is a materialist who drapes himself in “spiritual” sounding words. He does not believe Jesus Christ is God, so therefore he is not a Christian. He does not believe Jesus did miracles such as the multiplication of loaves and fishes, walking on water, healing the blind, nor does he believe Jesus rose from the dead and conquered sin and death. All his words and actions prove He does not believe what the Church has taught for 2000 years. He does not believe the Sacrament of Baptism makes one a child of God and cleanses one’s soul from Original Sin. He hides his failures in trying to make important looking gestures. He sloughs off his responsibility to rule the Church by deferring to a horde of heretic bishops who want to create their own churches in their own countries answerable to no one, like the German church, and the American church. He arrogantly tries to change the Catholic faith with his own made-up notions. He wrecked his Jesuit order in Argentina, he wrecked his Church in Argentina, now he is trying to wreck the Catholic faith, a process already begun by modernist heretics at Vatican II in the 1960’s. And of course it goes without saying he knows next to nothing about Islam and its dangers. A complete moron at the top at a time when the worst events are storming both Church and the world.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 12:06 pm

      Francis is Barry’s pope – a first in American politics which has traditionally tried to keep out of “foreign entanglements” where possible.

      Future historians (if any) will find it puzzling to discover that a Leftist, Muslim-sympathizing U.S. president spent time and energy to appoint his own pope. They will write interesting papers about what this says about Barry (nothing we didn’t know) and about Francis and the Catholic Church (far worse than our worst fears).

      • Kepha says

        Apr 24, 2016 at 9:24 am

        Huh? How is it possible for the O to select a Pope? I thought the College of Cardinals did it. And this tells you a little bit about what the current crop of cardinals is like.

        • Peggy says

          Apr 25, 2016 at 10:40 pm

          Like George Pell.

  23. Hansel says

    Apr 23, 2016 at 1:22 am

    First feed the family before u feed the dogs… you cant take the food meant for the family and throw it to the dogs.. and leave the family hungry

  24. Tim says

    Apr 23, 2016 at 1:28 am

    There was 12 taken from the refugee camps. Only 3 of them were Muslims according to announcement. Another 3 were yazidis.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 7:11 am

      At least the Yazidis will be grateful.

  25. Patrick says

    Apr 23, 2016 at 3:09 am

    For 400 years Popes did absolutely nothing to stop Islam taking over the Middle East . They sat idly by while Muslims forcibly converted, raped , murdered , pillaged and plundered , before Catholics and Christians said enough
    Do we have to wait another 400 years, before Islam is forced back under its rocks ?

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 4:45 pm

      We don’t have 400 years. We probably don’t have more than another 50 or 60 years.

  26. Rufolino says

    Apr 23, 2016 at 3:41 am

    The shocking thing was that this pope went to visit Moslems but has made NO visit to his persecuted Christian brothers and sisters in the Middle East.

    Instead, we have this meretricious, “politically correct” Mary Poppins stunt, whisking Mohammedans into the Vatican, demonstrating the pope’s currently fashionable “multicultural” credentials.

    Meanwhile what will the Middle Eastern Christians feel at this pandering to their persecutors, and being slapped in the face by this Christian leader ? I’m appalled. This pope has lost me.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 4:47 pm

      That stupid Pontiff hates Orthodox Christians more than anything else. That explains everything.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Apr 23, 2016 at 5:09 pm

        But many of the Christians currently fleeing from Iraq and from Syria are eastern-rite *CATHOLICS*.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 5:15 pm

          Pursuant to my previous posting. I went and looked up my Christian factbook, ‘Operation World’, the 2010 edition, for the section on Syria, which of course gives the figures from *before* this Sunni-Shiite-Alawite conflict exploded. Back then, while Assad was still firmly in power, there were *700 000* CATHOLICS in Syria, and about the same number of Orthodox (of various stripes eg. Greek, Armenian, and Syriac).

          In *Iraq*, (figures from around 2010 or just before), the *Catholics* formed the single biggest subgroup of Christians. There were substantially fewer Orthodox than Catholics.

        • SpiritOf1683 says

          Apr 23, 2016 at 5:20 pm

          Unless they’re Westerners this Pope doesn’t give a hoot, and even then he might not. He’s obviously into Musim butt-licking.

      • Kepha says

        Apr 24, 2016 at 9:25 am

        Probabaly doesn’t like Evangelicals very much either. They’re the ones who’ve been stealing his sheep everywhere from Spanish Harlem to Tierra del Fuego.

        • ed cox says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 11:03 am

          I think this pope is paving the way for the false prophet of revelations , who will help the anti-Christ rise to power . Though we don’t know who the anti-Christ is there are hints to him in scripture .
          1 Must be a Jew (Jews would not follow a savior that was not Jewish ).
          2 Most likely from the old Roman Empire
          3 The False prophet will be able to do some miracles ( he will be able to bring the anti-Christ back to life ).

      • Peggy says

        Apr 24, 2016 at 11:03 pm

        I think he hates Christians no matter what denomination.
        He keeps proving that all the time.

  27. David M says

    Apr 23, 2016 at 3:48 am

    Donald Trump reads the snake lyric:

    https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjhj_-_oaTMAhUj5KYKHW1rB4AQtwIIITAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQu6_2hFTw74&usg=AFQjCNH2CsjJa-PhWyN46PiapF7fa3c-8A&sig2=KMC7X1NE-CgzS3z4Vuhvcw

    Even if the Muslims he took in are completely peaceful, their children born there may not be.

  28. Raymond Brown says

    Apr 23, 2016 at 3:54 am

    As a nonreligious person who was educated at a Presbyterian school, I do not have high expectations of this pope (or any other pope). As a graduate in political science (with a specialization in Marxist-Leninist political philosophy, the Old Left and New Left, etc.), I do not have high expectations of this leftist pope.
    In their dire situation, Middle Eastern Christians are going to have to find sources of help elsewhere. Let us hope that this website proves useful in their quest.

  29. Allan Mandrowski says

    Apr 23, 2016 at 6:12 am

    Wow. People actually saying on here Catholics aren’t Christians. Shake my head, some of these “Christians” are like Sunni Muslims telling other Muslims they aren’t real Muslims.

    Seriously, get a grip, you won’t win wars by infighting, we are all brothers and sisters.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 7:17 am

      Yes.

      I – baptised Presbyterian, currently worshipping within a suburban Anglican church (in Australia), with forebears who were German and Danish Lutherans, Scottish Presbyterians, English Methodists and Anglicans, and Irish Catholics – am currently praying most fervently for my dear sister in Christ – Pakistani Catholic Christian Asiya Bibi, sitting on death row on a charge of ‘blasphemy!”

      There is a LOT of negativity and infighting in this thread; what I call “feeding the Dementors” (if you are familiar with the Dementors from the Harry Potter series).

      Or maybe it’s ‘trench fever’.

      And I am very tired of it. Sometimes, in the past year or two, it has gotten so bad that I either just read the posted article and don’t bother with the Comments, or am reluctant to post at all, there is just so much wet-blanketing, so much sniping or schadenfreude crowing and anticipatory dancing on graves, so much despair, defeatism and fatalism.

      And it serves NO good purpose at all. It just makes people miserable and thus, as I said, feeds the Dementors… and no doubt, when mohammedan eavesdroppers see all the various varieties of Infidels snapping and sniping at each other, they dance for glee (and maybe even ‘stir the pot’ from time to time by assuming this or that faked identity, the better to keep the pot boiling).

    • Peggy says

      Apr 24, 2016 at 11:05 pm

      This frightens me. We should be all united against Islam and not picking each other off.
      Not only Christians should be united but all non Muslims should join us in this most important fight. We are all on Muslim radar and we all need to be united in order to defeat them.

  30. Bob says

    Apr 23, 2016 at 7:15 am

    There must be two ‘Bob’s commenting here, because I certainly didn’t submit the comment at 4.22!

  31. DFD says

    Apr 23, 2016 at 11:57 am

    To: Ex-Muslim, African Infidel, and others who appeove of the postings of ‘Christianblood, Ivan Konstantinov’ and similar

    Or: How to make hate propaganda <<
    (practical example provided herein) <<

    Or: What does Jesus (Christianity itself) say about them

    This is posted on the assumption that you actually are either Christians, Atheists or at least not Muslims. I know, you proclaim to be, I merely give you the benefit of the doubt.

    First point, a propaganda example: Masud, instructed by Mohammed not to reveal that he is a Muslim, and sent (back) into Yathrib/Medina to sow discord, mutual distrust and hatred between the enemies of Islam/Mohammed. Yathrib's opponents? Christians, Jews and Pagans, all who saw through the masquerade of the Muslims, after they granted them refuge and safety from the Meccans, who had enough of them, and drove them out – understandably. Incidentally, the Meccans were not Pagans, only partially so, many were Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians. Just for your info.

    How did Masud operate? Simple, to the Jews he said: all Christians and Pagans are evil, don't trust them, they let the Muslims in Yathrib, causing the troubles. To The Christians, all Jews and Pagans are evil, they let the Muslims…. To the Pagans, all Jews and Christians are evil, they… Occasionally he also condemned the Muslims, when unavoidable. The result, discord, they were picked up one by one. Finalized with their massacre of the trench, and the enslavement of their women and children, by Mohammed.

    Do you recognize Christianblood, Ivan K, etc.? No?

    Let's take 'Christianblood' (CB) who is the noisiest and busiest hate and division monger. And before commencing, consider that this is an anti jihad website, run by a Christian, Mr. Robert Spencer, who is a Catholic. Whilst this/his website is facilitated in the west, in the US to be specific. That is important to note, since according to the hatred spewed by CB, Ivan and others, we are not anti Islam, we are not Christians, Jews and Atheists (plus others), but to the contrary are friends of Islam and enemies of Christendom. Idiotic? Indeed, but we are not the idiots posting such nonsense, CB & Co. are, relentlessly.

    Now to commence with the anti Christian propagandists and their tricks, assuming of course that you yourselves are not part of that Masudian clique.

    How do they work? I construct an example, the pattern is, for practically invariable purposes, always the same. A practical example, fictional but also true, suppose a critical article about the central European civil war of the late 20th century, Balkans:

    “…The Bosnian (Muslims) have established the first rape and torture camps in the Balkans. No reporting by 'the west'. The Christian forces, Serbs, gain the upper hand, turn the tables and practice vengeance in kind. The western (US/EU) response: Bombing Serbia into submission, thus reinforcing the first Muslim state in Europe, Bosnia Herzegovina, and also establishing two more Muslim states, namely Kosovo and Albania. Kosovo as a particular humiliation to the Serbs, and for Christians in general. Result, ethnic cleansing of Christians in those two extra Muslim states and over 30,000 churches destroyed or converted into mosques…” The supposed article ends, what has been said within the supposed article is actually true.

    Here is the response posting of Christianblood, Ivan, and the likes of them:

    “…So true the article/headline. And it shows or proves that the west is evil, anti Christian, all of them, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, etc. Atheists are of course *not * mentioned. {Then the dribble continues:} *All* westerners, *all* the western people, etc. …” Should that not work, add 'Auschwitz' or 'Nazis', that ought to do the trick.

    Have you noticed, in this fictional reply by CB, that there was not once any further reference to Islam or Muslims? Not once, they could be in another universe. Read his posts, you will find that he hardly ever condemns Muslim atrocities as such. Yes, sometimes he does, but only on very rare occasions, and given the majority of his posts, that is a mere fig-leaf-waving, to 'prove' that he is not a Muslim.

    Read his posts, go back a few months, it's always the same, identical pattern. It is possible though, that he is not a Muslim, but merely a paid up propagandist. See http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house However, he can of course be both, a paid up propagandist and a Muslim, no contradiction there. Ever heard of the two birds with one stone?

    That many western people, irrespective of their spiritual or ideological affiliation, are unhappy and extremely critical of western leadership, is completely ignored by such hatemongers and deceivers. So, do I speak the truth about them? If not, then why the massive and increasing support for the anti Muslims, such as Trump/Cruz – western Atlantic; and AfD, FPÖ, England First, Pegida, etc. – eastern Atlantic; why, how come? And why do many other citizens, not yet supporting the previously mentioned organizations, are opposed to the Islam pandering of the powers, which have by stealth and guile usurped western leadership positions? So, I do indeed speak the truth about those Masudians, the likes of Christianblood and similar such anti Christians hatemongers. I state without reservation: Christianblood is *not* a Christian, but he loves to see Christians and non Muslims bleeding, rejoices in it, and uses it to sow discord, MASUD! And that holds also true for others like him.

    How to recognize such propaganda crap? Simple, such pieces take a headline, a story, ignore all ins and outs of it, but ramble endlessly about how evil the affected target population is supposed to be, with more or less unfounded allegations. Read CB's posts, go a few months back, the pattern is always, without exception, the same.

    Yes, we westerners have been infiltrated by the adherents of the Frankfurt School, anarchists and communists with their 'long march through the institutions'. Aided by petro-dollar corrupted, or at least influenced individuals, plus naïve dreamers. Is that supposed to make us, approx 500-800 million people in all, to be anti Christian, to be pro Muslim? According to such propaganda filth it does. Ask him why, if you can be bothered to reply to the posts of such vile, hate mongering… 'persons'. Don't take him up on the pretended context of his post, not worth it, but ask him why about what follows in his posts.

    Are they trash or are they Christians, as they pretend to be? Let us ask someone who ought to know, Jesus Christ, first Christian and founder of Christianity, no particular church or denomination. He may know.

    What did he say? He said that it is an unforgivable sin to class believers as unbelievers. So, where does that leave the likes of CB, who in an unending, hate crazed frenzy condemn all westerners as anti Christians; him and similar such riff-raff, where does it leave them? What does Jesus see in them? After all, they proclaim to be Christians. Thus, a valid question.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 12:27 pm

      Good points, and thanks for a lucid exposition of some pertinent and little-known (and less remembered) background.

      The call to extra vigilance against dividers and false friends is timely. Vigilance tends to flags over time and loses focus. Occasional reminders are important to rouse spirits and raise attention.

    • Angemon says

      Apr 23, 2016 at 7:18 pm

      Damn it, where’s the “Like” button? 😀 Great post, DFD.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Apr 24, 2016 at 4:44 am

      Look at the facts of the last 30 or 40 years in particular. Who has gained the most from what the West has done? Muslims and their terrorist outfits, whether it is by bombing Serbia, toppling Gaddafi, holding back Israel then the inevitable street protests when the Israelis strike back, helping the Muijahideen in Afghanistan and buckling before the Iranian ayatollahs, thereby making us look weak and vacillating – whether out of ignorance or by design, we now have quite a history of helping and encouraging the Jihad in that time.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Apr 24, 2016 at 4:51 am

        On top of that, the paucity of our response to terrorist attacks and the crippling political correctness which is endemic in the West. We have helped and enabled our enemies like nobody’s business. We force the Israelis to give aid to their sworn enemies and also unwittingly help the likes of Hamas, but too many of us in the West are too dumb to realise that Israel’s enemies are also our enemies. We would also have helped IS in Syria had Cameron won a Commons vote to destroy Assad’s forces. The RAF wasn’t getting the nickname the Jihad Air Force for nothing.

        • DFD says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 5:45 am

          Agreed, every word you said and never denied, on the contrary. But you’re missing the point, read the post again.

          It’s abut us, *all* western people, and in particular all western Christians, and how we are being constantly badmouthed by this… individual. Read his posts, *all western* people, and Christians in particular, are evil, Muslim lovers, cowards etc. etc.

          Conversely, Russia = good, Russian Orthodox = better Christians than Jesus Christ Himself, Putin = better still.

          Get it? Read his posts.

          I did, and do not, not whitewash nor excused our (?) mostly despicable political leaders. Read my posts, and those of others.

          And compare with his posts. Again, read the post concerned, above. And think about it.

        • DFD says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 6:00 am

          PS: Unless of course you are a Masudian yourself, in which case I have wasted my reply.

          Are you?

        • SpiritOf1683 says

          Apr 24, 2016 at 4:23 pm

          We have a 40 or more years history of backing the wrong side. We have helped the Jihad one way or another, but too many of us fail to realise that. We are making our own bed here in the West, and that bed is becoming an increasingly unpleasant place to sleep in. What we are seeing is slow motion suicide. We have been letting in sworn enemies by the millions over the last 50 years, and they’re continuing to stream in, against the background of 3/11, 7/7, Paris, Brussels etc. Our ancestors fought to prevent this from happening for over 1,000 years. Over the next 50 or 100 years, we’ll see exactly why.

  32. Mark A says

    Apr 23, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    I’m Catholic and I’m very dismayed to hear this story.

    I can’t agree with Pope Francis’ decision to bring 12 Muslims and zero Christians into the Vatican for asylum. It’s a decision that will come back to bite the Church. Actually, with this situation, it’s already coming back to bite the Church.

    I’ll leave it to Robert to comment on the perceptions of weakness that Pope Francis’ actions may generate in the Muslim world.

  33. abad says

    Apr 23, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    When Jesus returns to earth – the Vatican will be shut down personally by Him per the Book of Revelations (Chs 13, 16, 19, 20)

    • Kepha says

      Apr 24, 2016 at 9:30 am

      It’s Book of Revelation, not Revelations. Also check out the Thessalonian Epistles (which, I suspect, Muhammad ibn Abdallah ibn Abu Mutalib may have heard read on one of his journeys, then adapted for his own purposes). However, the Muslims miss it that Jesus, in Revelation, is both the Lamb slain for our sins and the Conquering Lion of Judah (who conquered death for us three days after his crucifixion).

  34. John says

    Apr 23, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    As a practicing Catholic, I am confused, but will always practice The Sacraments Of The Church.

  35. paul says

    Apr 24, 2016 at 1:19 am

    The pope is catholic, not Christian. He is MUCH closer to Islam than Christianity. He is part of the liberal cesspool

    • DFD says

      Apr 24, 2016 at 10:20 am

      I think he’s part of the ‘cess’ in the pool…

  36. Sven Svenson says

    Apr 24, 2016 at 8:46 am

    I think it would have been a lot more fun if he’d brought along a dozen Jews also.

    • Kepha says

      Apr 24, 2016 at 9:31 am

      Are there still a dozen Jews left in Syria?

  37. Peggy says

    Apr 24, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    Robert Spencer says

    April 24, 2016 at 10:15 am

    This is not in any sense a Catholic website.
    ==============================
    Thank you for clarifying this Robert. This is anti Jihad site and anyone opposed to Islam and tries to fight it is welcome here.
    Just because you are Catholic some believe that it makes this site a Catholic site. Let’s not divide and fight this evil united.

  38. Peggy says

    Apr 24, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    DFD says

    April 24, 2016 at 6:00 am

    PS: Unless of course you are a Masudian yourself, in which case I have wasted my reply.

    Are you?
    ===================
    I have read your post in it’s entirety and I agree with it but what bothers me is assuming people are paid trolls or Muslims pretending not to be just because we offer different points of view or use terminology not used by some.
    I truly believe that people say things like all westerners when they really mean all western governments and establishments. I know when I refer to the West I mean western governments, some NGOs, media, Hollywood etc but never the population because I believe the most people are basically good but fooled.
    We can’t seriously accuse people of being paid Russian anything without any kind of proof and yet I see this happening. This is also divisive.
    We are all anti Islam here and tempers flare but we should be working towards extinguishing flames between us.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Apr 25, 2016 at 2:28 pm

      It was Russian forces who freed Balkan countries from the Ottoman yoke. Britain propped up the Ottoman Empire by at least 100 years, Heck, we went to war against Russia in 1854 to prop up that empire and tried to stop the Russiansds from destroying that empire in the 1820s. John Quincy Adams had a word otr two about that in his private papers just read this: http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=11283 and in this is the passage:

      “If ever insurrection was holy in the eyes of God, such was that of the Greeks against their Mahometan oppressors. Yet for six long years, they were suffered to be overwhelmed by the whole mass of the Ottoman power; cheered only by the sympathies of all the civilized world, but without a finger raised to sustain or relieve them by the Christian governments of Europe; while the sword of extermination, instinct with the spirit of the Koran, was passing in merciless horror over the classical regions of Greece, the birth-place of philosophy, of poetry, of eloquence, of all the arts that embellish, and all the sciences that dignify the human character. The monarchs of Austria, of France, and England, inflexibly persisted in seeing in the Greeks, only revolted subjects against a lawful sovereign. The ferocious Turk eagerly seized upon this absurd concession, and while sweeping with his besom of destruction over the Grecian provinces, answered every insinuation of interest in behalf of that suffering people, by assertions of the unqualified rights of sovereignty, and by triumphantly retorting upon the legitimates of Europe, the consequences naturally flowing from their own perverted maxims.” [p. 278]

      “This pretended discovery of a plot between Russia and the Greeks, is introduced, to preface an exulting reference to the unhallowed butchery of the Greek Patriarch and Priests, on Easter day of 1822, at Constantinople, and to the merciless desolation of Greece, which it calls ‘doing justice by the sword’ to a great number of rebels of the Morea, of Negropont, of Acarnania, Missolonghi, Athens, and other parts 10 of the continent.The document acknowledges, that although during several years, considerable forces, both naval and military, had been sent against the Greeks, they had not succeeded in suppressing the insurrection.” [p. 301]

    • Angemon says

      Apr 25, 2016 at 9:12 pm

      Peggy posted:

      “I have read your post in it’s entirety and I agree with it but what bothers me is assuming people are paid trolls or Muslims pretending not to be just because we offer different points of view or use terminology not used by some.”

      As usual, you’re obfuscating the issue and defending the anti-West, pro-Russia crowd.

      “I truly believe that people say things like all westerners when they really mean all western governments and establishments.”

      And what you allegedly believe must magically become reality because… erm, reasons? How is your reasoning any different from muslims going “yes, the quran says this but it means something else”?

      “I know when I refer to the West I mean western governments, some NGOs, media, Hollywood etc but never the population because I believe the most people are basically good but fooled.”

      Then you should start specifying what you mean instead of lumping everyone together. Because, you know, words have meanings and stuff.

      “We can’t seriously accuse people of being paid Russian anything without any kind of proof and yet I see this happening.”

      If they look like a duck, walk like a duck and quack like a duck, we must therefore conclude they’re self-hating non-Russians who just happen to worship Putin and Russia. I say, go with Occam’s Razor.

      “This is also divisive.”

      Yes, and we wouldn’t want to be “divided” from the people who go “this is all the West’s fault”, would we?

      “We are all anti Islam here and tempers flare but we should be working towards extinguishing flames between us.”

      Well, I’m not a mind reader, unlike you. If someone spends their time blaming the West for everything and linking to articles they say that “prove” what they claim but turn out to debunk them, I’m going, based on empirical evidence, induce that their hatred of the West is larger than their hatred of islam (if it exists to begin with).

    • Angemon says

      Apr 25, 2016 at 9:14 pm

      ““We can’t seriously accuse people of being paid Russian anything without any kind of proof and yet I see this happening.””

      Out of curiosity, Peggy, what would you consider proof that one is a paid Russian?

  39. Pathfinder0100 says

    Apr 25, 2016 at 3:30 pm

    This Pope?? is for sure a Muslim ass (and foot) kisser, isn’t he??

  40. Ivan Konstantinov says

    Apr 27, 2016 at 8:10 am

    Please read some of the below links and cheer up. Contrary to the pope’s titles, Christ is the head of the church and He is not tired nor exhausted

    http://www.christiantoday.com/article/muslims.converting.to.christianity.on.the.rise.in.vienna/84418.htm
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/11/iran-christians-flee-to-unlikely-sanctuary-in-bulgaria.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3225014/How-Muslim-migrants-converting-Christianity-Germany-hundreds-boost-chances-winning-asylum.html
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8zmkN5MZ-w
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hE2D1a3vMY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmBS71X02FQ

    • Ivan Konstantinov says

      Apr 27, 2016 at 8:12 am

      And another important “mystery” 🙂

      http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2013/09/a-mysterious-mass-conversion-from-islam.html

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