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Europe: Muslim migrants converting to Christianity fear being killed by Muslims

Apr 15, 2016 5:08 pm By Robert Spencer

“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)

A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence.

This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-‘ashriyyah, Al-Ja’fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.”

Qaradawi also once famously said: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn’t exist today.”

Qaradawi apostasy

“Muslim Migrants Converting To Christianity Fear Murderous Islamic Retaliation In Europe,” by Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, April 15, 2016 (thanks to Lookmann):

Many migrants who are recent converts to Christianity fear retaliation from Muslims and that converting may become a “death sentence.”

One of the more surprising aspects of the migrant crisis has been the number of Muslims from places like Syria and Afghanistan, that have been converting to Christianity in Austrian churches. The Archdioceses of the Austrian capital in Vienna can hardly keep up with the requests as they get five to ten per week.

So far this year 83 percent of the recorded adult baptisms into the Catholic faith have been Muslims compared to 2015 when they were only 33 percent reports Kurier.

The numbers could grow even more in 2017 since the process for adult conversion to Catholicism called the Right of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA) can typically take up to a year to complete. The RCIA teaches new converts about the faith and it’s various rituals before candidates are often baptized over the following Easter.

Muslims who convert and leave Islam face a very real potential for violence and even death. A migrant to Austria who now calls himself Christopher told the Kurier,”this could be my death sentence.” Christopher came to Austria in 2012 and requested that his new Christian name be used because he fears not only reprisal against himself but his family as well.

The Catholic Church in Austria is well aware of what radical Muslims will do to new converts if they find out they were previously Muslims. Muslims consider leaving the Islamic faith as apostasy and the penalty according to the Sharia is death. The church is told of threats to parishioners on a regular basis and many new to the faith are justifiably reluctant to talk to outsiders.

Christopher is one of the few who wished to tell his story and his fears over his new found faith. The native Afghani said that he had been interested in becoming a Christian long before he fled to Austria. “A friend brought me a bible from Pakistan. I read it in secret and only at home. But I read it every day,” he admitted.

On paper Afghanistan has freedom of religion and religious expression, though in practice this is very much not the case in most areas of the country, where strict Islamic law still governs regardless of the hold on power by the Taliban.

An incident was recorded last year showing a woman named Farkhunda being savagely beaten to death for allegedly burning a Koran which emphasized the rule of Islamic religious law. Christians have it even worse as Christopher says simply, “whoever converts, is killed.”…

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Comments

  1. Myrtle says

    Apr 15, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    It is so common for today’s man to blame someone else for their evil, I did it because………………..who were wrong…………….

    • Andy says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 am

      The Blame-game started in the Garden of Eden with the very first human couple God created in order to populate planet earth. Here is what happened : Gen. 3: 9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

      10 And (My note: Adam and Eve hid themselves because they BOTH FELT GUILTY of the sin of disobedience to their Maker) he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. ( In the Holy Bible Hiding nakedness means hiding sin from God and all human beings do it).

      11 And he (God) said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

      12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

      13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

  2. Ecosse1314 says

    Apr 15, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    Randy…..please if you want to make a complete arse of yourself then……oops too late.

  3. Peter Buckley says

    Apr 15, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    “One of the more surprising aspects of the migrant crisis has been the number of Muslims from places like Syria and Afghanistan, that have been converting to Christianity in Austrian churches. The Archdioceses of the Austrian capital in Vienna can hardly keep up with the requests as they get five to ten per week.”

    No surprise here. Once muslims lose their FEAR of being killed, they will leave Islam in huge numbers. It is only violence, and the threat of it, that keeps muslims imprisoned.

    “Without Sharia Islam is a toothless tiger or a poisonless snake. Sharia empowers Islam with the legal power to enforce its draconian, barbaric, uncivilized, and cruel provisions. Sharia gives Islam the arms and legs to force the world to submit to Islam.”

    http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/Sharia-Laws-Islam-Warden.htm

    • Andy says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 2:27 am

      The Koran has it in no uncertain terms that Muslims dare not convert to any other religion. The punishment for conversion is DEATH in this life by beheading or stoning by other Muslims and ever-lasting Hell-fire after death. In hell they get boiling water to drink when they cry out for cool water because of the FIRES of hell. So…if I were a Muslim…would I even think of leaving Islam? No way. But thanks be to Jesus Christ who is my PERSONAL Lord and Saviour from hell-fire, I have nothing to worry about. If I get killed or I die, I have a wonderful Mansion prepared in Heaven by Jesus Christ for me to live in forever. Pl read for the promise Jesus Christ made for me in John ch. 14. in the King James Version of the Holy Scriptures.

  4. Champ says

    Apr 15, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    Europe: Muslim migrants converting to Christianity fear being killed by Muslims

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    This is a real threat–further proving that islam is NOT a ‘religion of peace’ , at all.

    “Why Muslims converts to Christianity”

    https://youtu.be/9Q3fw7iHMXk

    • linnte says

      Apr 15, 2016 at 9:28 pm

      Thank you Champ. I adore David Wood! Let’s agree in Jesus name that the new converts from Islam to Christianity find protection always and let’s pray everyday for their lives in Christ. Amen!

      • Champ says

        Apr 16, 2016 at 12:22 am

        You’re welcome, Linnte. Yes–I love David Wood’s work, too!

        “Let’s agree in Jesus name that the new converts from Islam to Christianity find protection always and let’s pray everyday for their lives in Christ. Amen!”

        Amen!

      • Andy says

        Apr 16, 2016 at 2:48 am

        No one need to worry about the SAFETY of Genuinely Born Again Christians. WhY Because of all the PROMISES of Almighty , ALL-knowing, Everywhere-present God. 2 Corinthians 4:8-9 “We are hard-pressed on every side, yet not crushed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not DESTROYED.”

        Psalm 91:7 
        “A thousand may fall at your side, and ten thousand at your right hand; but it shall not come near you.”

        Psalm 34:19 
        “Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the LORD delivers him out of them all.”

        Now to the best one: PSALM 23. (Pl. turn to it and read it many times to get the benefit from the PROMISES in it). Pl. do not forget that true born again believers WILL BE AFFLICTED. Paul is a very good example of the AFFLICTED ONES of God. 2nd Corinthians ch. 6 has it all. Pl. read it to know what PRICE we have to pay to be CHILDREN of Almighty God (same as being brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ…the Man who suffered most.

  5. gravenimage says

    Apr 15, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    Europe: Muslim migrants converting to Christianity fear being killed by Muslims
    …………………………..

    And with good reason:

    “UK: Muslims attack convert from Islam to Christianity with pickaxe”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/uk-muslims-attack-convert-from-islam-to-christianity-with-pickaxe

    That being said, kudos to these brave and decent converts out of the vicious creed of Islam!

    More:

    So far this year 83 percent of the recorded adult baptisms into the Catholic faith have been Muslims compared to 2015 when they were only 33 percent reports Kurier.
    …………………………..

    Wow! Good news. The West should be doing everything possible to protect these Christian converts from their violent former coreligionists.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 5:47 am

      Yes.

      I rejoice over every person who leaves the Death Cult.

      And the thing is: if they are running the risk of death from their co-religionists, even in Europe, this at least indicates that their conversion is genuine.

      I am glad to see that the Catholic church has revived what might be called the ‘Catechumenate’ process, whereby those seeking baptism are fully and thoroughly instructed.

      *All* Christian congregations who find themselves with a Muslim ‘seeker’ knocking at their doors *must* be wise as well as welcoming. Joyful as it is to be baptising new believers, one must recognise the possibility of deception.

      The process of instruction and ‘discipling’ – no matter whether the congregation’s tradition be Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant of any stripe be it Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian, pentecostal, you-name- it – should be rigorous, careful and thorough. Not cultic; the new convert will need a *lot* of care, even ‘re-parenting’ as they learn the *very* different way in which Christians negotiate their faith and their sacred texts. They need to learn the habits of *freedom*. Much Muslim practice is all about display whereas Christian practice – e.g. when fasting during Lent – is the precise opposite, it is about the *heart*. I would strongly encourage any convert from Islam to replace Quran recitation with deliberate memorisation and recitation of the Psalms and the great ‘canticles’ such as the Magnificat.

      Barnabas Fund in one of their books have some useful instructions for Christian churches who are discipling new believers who are coming / have come from a Muslim background. Such instructions are applicable *no matter what* the particular Christian tradition is involved. It would be good if such advice-and-counsel, in all the main European languages, were circulated to parish churches and to clergy.

      Likewise, Mark Durie’s book “Liberty to the Captives’ has some *crucial* information to help with the “deprogramming” of both 1/ escaped Dhimmis and 2/ persons who have come out of Islam.

      Those who have left Islam have a *lot* of disastrous psychological baggage that they need to acknowledge and jettison, bit by bit by bit.

      never was the phrase that is used at most baptisms “Do you renounce Evil? – **I renounce evil**” more pertinent than at the baptism of a person leaving Islam. The renunciation and reorientation has to be conscious, public and total.

      I pray for the protection and perseverance of all apostates from Islam. May their numbers swiftly multiply!

  6. mortimer says

    Apr 15, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    Father Zakaria Botros Henein is a Coptic Christian Priest, originally from Egypt. has a bachelor’s degree in History and a doctorate in Islamic Studies and has been a successful TV preacher for Muslims. He reported many secret conversions among Muslims, some in important positions, even sheikhs (senior clergy). His advise to them was to be cautious in revealing their conversion and to continue their lives under cover. Christian clergy who baptise Muslims must do so under great secrecy because vigilante murder of apostates is permissible under Sharia law and secretly encouraged by mullahs.

    I tend to believe there are more secret Christians in Muslim countries than Botros reports…tip of an iceberg.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 6:17 am

      It would be very good if Fr Botros’ programs were dubbed into the major languages and Arabic dialects used by Muslims now present within Europe and broadcast 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, using both TV (satellite) and radio (using the audio tracks).

      Imagine if his programs could be heard not only in his native Arabic (Egyptian dialect) but in other dialects of Arabic (Syrian, Libyan, Algerian), and in Somali, Farsi, the Berber dialects, Turkish, Kurdish, Bengali, Urdu, Dari, Pashtun, you-name-it. Oh, and Albanian and Bosnian. 24 hours a day. 7 days a week. All over Europe wherever the ‘refugees’ and Muslim colonists have settled; and beamed into the countries of origin.

      Maybe he should look at setting up a ‘crowdfunding’ project aiming at doing *just that*. (I assume he accepts donations to support his work, but in what languages is his work currently available?).

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Apr 16, 2016 at 6:19 am

        And then all the churches – whatever their tradition, eastern or western – that are discipling new converts could discreetly refer them to Fr Botros’ programs. And could keep DVDs of those programs, to share with the inquirers and catechumens, as part of their education process.

  7. Wellington says

    Apr 15, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    To date, not one major school of Islamic theology, Sunni or Shiite, for instance the four major Sunni schools, Hanafi, Hanbali, Shafi and Maliki, has repudiated the odious, shameful and liberty-crushing doctrine, first articulated by Mohammed, that a Muslim who converts to another religion must be killed. It is of the utmost importance for anyone seeking truth to understand this fact since freedom depends upon understanding this fact.

    And yet plenty of Western elites, from Pope Francis (damn, how I miss his predecessor who was infinitely wiser and more knowledgeable), to Obama, to Cameron, to Kerry, to May, to Blair, to the Bushes, to Merkel, to Rice, certainly to Albright who is only half-bright, to Comey, to the BBC, to Trudeau and the CBC, to the editors of The New York Times, to Esposito, to Armstrong,——yes, it’s a very, very, very long list——-for whatever indefensible reason or reasons continue to shill for the spiritual fascism which is Islam.

    A curse upon their heads. Every last one of these dhimmi doofuses. They continue to breathe new life into the decrepit religion which is Islam. Shame on them for this forever. Islam is more than bad enough but even worse is excuse making for the evil which is Islam. No defense for this. None whatsoever, whether philosophical, religious, i.e., the nonsense about the “three Abrahamic faiths,” economic, geopolitical, demographic, etc.

    Evil is evil and Islam is evil and one knows this by now or should know it. So, no excuses. None.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 15, 2016 at 9:07 pm

      Thanks to Wellington for those well-chosen remarks. Pope Francis is a well-meaning useful idiot with regard to Islam, whereas Benedict has depth as an intellectual, though he obviously didn’t understand Islam’s blasphemy laws and dhimmi contract.

      How long will it take Christian clerics to realize that the Koran is a death warrant for Christians and that Sharia law is the court procedures used to exterminate them?

      “Fight (kill=q-t-l) those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they PAY THE JIZYA with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” -K. 9:29

      The command to kill Christians obtains until the Day of Judgment. Christian clergy, are you listening? Do you believe the Koran says what it says?

    • Marcel Bérubé says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 1:01 am

      + Hollande + Mayor of Brussels + Mayors (sic ) of Molenbeek + ……

    • Dom107 says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 5:46 am

      Your last sentence somes it all up.
      It’s like wishful thinking from the list of people you mention and they don’t now know what to do because they so foolishly let their Muslim population build up to many millions.Hungary Bulgaria and a few other Eastern European countries have not let themselves be emotionally blackmailed unlike the foolish weak Western European countries including of course the daft Frau “dumkopf” Merkel and her docile automaton subjects !!!

    • Angemon says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 8:47 am

      To add to that, Wellington, even the moderate, peaceful (or so I’m told) ahmadi teach the hallmarks of islamic supremacy – the chopping of limbs, the oppression and discrimination against women and non-muslims, slavery, death for apostasy, etc.. That they trying to spread them via words rather than by the sword (not that they teach against jihad as warfare, they’re just more lax about it when they are allowed to live comfortably among non-muslims) is of no consolation to me.

  8. Dan Jones says

    Apr 15, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    No way would the loving followers of the pedophile hurt someone… they are so tolerable… right???

    More End Time News At:
    http://www.shininginthedark.com/?page_id=7760

  9. common sense says

    Apr 15, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    Afghanistan is the 13th poorest nation in the world so conversion to the god of love through Christ makes sense. I wonder at the demographics of the converts be they male, female and children. Age is a very important
    factor as well: do these younger converts understand what this problem is that we face? Maybe better than we do and it would show great resolve for them to do this with the amount of pressure that a predator “so called” religion would put on these people.

  10. Davegreybeard says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 1:41 am

    “One of the more surprising aspects of the migrant crisis has been the number of Muslims from places like Syria and Afghanistan, that have been converting to Christianity in Austrian churches.”

    Imagine, for just a moment, how many MORE converts to Christianity would happen IF MORE CHRISTIANS KNEW THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM, and were thus able to much more effectively proselytize to Muslims!

    This is such an astonishing opportunity, yet the vast majority of Christians are either willfully ignorant and compromised, or asleep.

    Time to light a fire under our Christian brothers and sisters!

    Deus Vult!

    • linnte says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 1:51 am

      Dave, it seems to me the main goal besides preservation of our culture and lives, is bringing Muslims to Jesus! I think a stumbling block to them is the doctrine of the Trinity. I understand it, and still see our Lord as one God. It has been beaten in to them that there is only one god and they are right! It’s just they follow the wrong one! I am new to being a Christian, but I have always had good teaching about the triunity of God, thanks to my gramma!

      I wish there was someone versed in the Trinity who could write a list of Scripture from OT to NT showing this. Maybe someone on Jihad Watch could compile this info for us to share?

      • Davegreybeard says

        Apr 16, 2016 at 2:25 am

        Hi linnet, I am not a Christian.

        However, any Muslim who converts to Christianity ceases to be my enemy, so I am all for the conversions, the more the better!

        Also, Muslim converts to Christianity make some of the very best warriors for our freedom, because they understand our enemy so well.

        I am also very much aware that the teachings of Jesus Christ have lead DIRECTLY to the prosperous, free and just society that comprises Western Civilization. You do not have to be a Christian, to recognize the value of the moral teachings of Jesus Christ.

        But I have not the time, patience or interest to discuss “The Trinity” or prophecies that might or might not be in the NT, or the OT, or the Bhagavadgītā, for that matter.

        So, I am not a Christian, but I will help the man carry his cross.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Apr 16, 2016 at 5:49 am

          Just as the presence and power of warriors like yourself helped create and maintain a ‘land of the free’ to which those who dissented from Totalitarian Communism could flee as defectors, so the presence and power of warriors like yourself can and will help create and maintain a ‘land of the free’ to which the defectors from the Ummah can flee.

        • vcragain says

          Apr 16, 2016 at 8:12 am

          Me too your view is just about mine – I was a member of a Christian faith years ago, no longer, and altho I do not believe in any particular church’s teachings, the reality of what Christ is supposed to have said contributes to & is the foundation of our Western way of life, and we should recognize that. If Christ was God, that is wonderful but I do not consider my feelings now about it all to be anything other than human and realistic. No proof of anything, so we wait to see what transpires. However my point is that for those who grew up in the West with the Christian tradition as it’s heart, we KNOW what is fair, just & good, without thinking about it as it is built into our society and Islam does not have that – it is mean, nasty, brutish and cruel and the difference between the 2 belief systems is a wake up call.

        • linnte says

          Apr 16, 2016 at 10:19 am

          Well, just two weeks ago I was a Pagan! Studying Islam and juxtaposeing it with Jesus has changed my life. I saw the same thing you see-Christianity is the best alternative to Islam. So let’s agree on that and keep that goal in mind. Our culture and our Freedom are at stake!

        • Dom1 says

          Apr 16, 2016 at 6:23 pm

          Christianity is benign in most of the many forms which exist today but not in all of them by any means .The thing is Christianity is a pacifist religion as preached by Christ as we know him in the Gospels. So clearly it hasn’t been really practiced historically by, the Romans ,the Spanish, the Portuguese ,the British and the Americans because all of them have conquered much territory by physical force and converted the existing population sometimes also by force. They have also persecuted and tortured their own dissidents in Elizabethan England, Spanish Inquisition ,French Hugenots persecution, persecution of Catholics in Ireland, the persecution/ mass killing of Jews,Salem Witch trials and burning America e t c e t c
          Morality doesn’t necessarily come from any religion. We have a natural instinct to care about members of the same species and the more closely related the bond is stronger.
          The ideal morality claimed by religions rarely happened in practice.
          The nasty thing about Islam is that it justifies and encourages people to hurt ands kill those who don’t share the same or convert to its beliefs as based on the Qur’an .
          My own view is that all religion is an irrational construct of the human psyche which may in the past have had some survival value but is long past its sell by date with the advance of education and true knowledge.

      • Michael Copeland says

        Apr 16, 2016 at 11:12 am

        to linnte, about the Trinity….
        Google “David Wood on the Trinity”. That should help.

        • linnte says

          Apr 16, 2016 at 2:50 pm

          Good idea! I know he has a video on that, I just never watched because my focus is Islam. Thanks!

      • Lion of Judah's Cub says

        Apr 16, 2016 at 8:46 pm

        A few Bible passages which come to mind on the Trinity:

        Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 … and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.”

        This Old Testament passage introduces God in the person of the Father and the Holy Spirit. When read in conjunction with John 1(see below) in the New Testament, we understand that Jesus is also God who created the heavens and the earth.

        Genesis 1:26-27 “26 Then God said, ‘Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky …’. 27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.”

        This passage (verse 27) of Genesis tells us that God is one God but with a plural element (that is, God is more than one person).

        John 1: 1-5 “1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”

        John 1:14 continues “14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

        Thus, Jesus, the Son, was the Word who became flesh (became man) and dwelt among us. He was the Word who created all of creation, and came from the Father.

        Later in the New Testament we see the Trinity present at the Baptism of Jesus in the Jordan by John the Baptist.

        Luke 3:21-22 “21When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: ‘You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.'” The voice from heaven is God the Father.

        Again we have the Trinity present at the time of the Transfiguration of Jesus shortly before the Passover and his crucifixion. See Matthew 17:1-6. The bright cloud is the presence of the Holy Spirit. The voice from the cloud is God the Father.

        Jesus also tells his apostles about the Holy Spirit who will be sent to them after his death. John 15:26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father – the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father – he will testify about me….7 Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you,; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment…”.

        After Jesus rose from the dead he gave the disciples the great commission to preach the gospel to all nations and convert them to His truth. Matthew 28:19 “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything. And surely I am with you always to the very end of the age.”

        • linnte says

          Apr 16, 2016 at 10:42 pm

          Wow Lion! It just dawned on me how amazingly prophetic Genesis is – God created man in his own image PROVES Jesus was there in the beginning!!! How cool is that! Hahaha! Thanks so much! Woooohoooo! Hahahaha!

  11. dumbledoresarmy says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 6:35 am

    There are those who are cynical about each and every declared conversion from Islam to Christianity.

    I would remind the cynics that many and indeed most of those who have *already* converted within the West have done so when they had *nothing* to gain from leaving Islam (since they had either been born to Muslim immigrants in the West and already possessed citizenship status, or had – if themselves immigrants/ refugees – already acquired citizenship) and risked everything: not just rejection and ostracism from their own families, but the possibility of being killed.

    Hannah Shah. Magdi Cristiano Allam. Mona Walters. Nissar Hussaini. Patrick Sookhdeo. Each of these did NOT convert ‘to gain residency or citizenship’; their conversion came long after their residency was well-and-truly secure. They were in far more danger after their change of faith became known to their families and former coreligionists, than before.

    I recall, years and years ago at this very forum, that an Italian contributor commented that the church in Italy had had so many inquirers (mostly in secret) that they had had to dust off the procedures for the instruction and baptism of adults; and that the number of such converts was known only to the church, that only the parish priests knew how many ‘Mohammeds’ were now “Giovannis’ and how many ‘Fatimas’ had become “Maria’. Even before his own conversion, Magdi Cristiano Allam wrote an article in which he spoke of a ‘church of the catacombs’ numbering in the thousands… an underground church composed of apostates from Islam. In Italy.

    • linnte says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 10:29 am

      That sounds so amazing! We are living in a frightful yet fascinating time of change. Onward Christian Soldiers!

  12. Amir Dewana says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 6:49 am

    Austria may be one of the world’s safest countries. Its churches and church elders _ Protestant and Catholic alike_ should have known or understood these issues or problems and should therefore reported firsthand to any police station nearby. It is the job-duties of the Police to protect citizens and _in the case of refugees or asylum petitioners_ would-be citizens. I’ll pray to Jesus Christ our God and merciful Father for their safety and well-being.

  13. duh_swami says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 9:21 am

    The most effective way fo deal with Islam and Mahoundians, is the art and craft of K.B…Kissing Butt…
    Certainly you must negate your manhood to do it, but Allah knows what is best for you…Those on the left are already doing that, and look what it has done for them…

  14. Florida Jim says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 10:40 am

    Muslims will kill any convert who leave Islam it is a rule in their mysterious religion.They have many wives to fill the world with muslims love is not a muslim word. Muslims rape the women of the new country to begin the process of new muslim children.They emigrate wherever they can and do not obey the laws of the new country they immediately begin to subvert that country and begin Sharia, Jihad, Beheading process. Knowing this who on earth would allow even one muslim to enter their country?
    Every city in america or on earth that accepts a muslim is beginning their own destruction.
    They can’t even get along with one another every sect will kill every other sect eventually it is in their holy books .

  15. Hindu American says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 2:54 pm

    Hotel California:

    “We are all just prisoners here, of our own device”

    “We are programmed to receive.
    You can check-out any time you like,
    But you can never leave!”

  16. Wakeup says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    As I have stated here previously on this site there needs to be a sort of witness protection type scheme for these people. Without the threat of being killed muslims are free to leave and the system loses its power.

    Take note Mr Trump.

  17. Kepha says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    Silver lining alert, folks.

    Actually, a movement away from islam has been going on among Muslm immigrants in the West for a while. Reza Aslan, a frequent target of our host’s criticisms, is himself the son of a Muslim woman from Iran who turned Evangelical after moving Stateside. Other people have been noted as well.

    To those who take a cynical view of these conversions (which have been going on in Protestant and Eastern churches as well as in RC ones), I’ll only note that in Acts 9, a lot of people doubted the sincerity of Saul of Tarsus’ conversion.

    I do not wish to minimize the seriousness of the migration crisis, the threats posed by increasing the number of unattached young Muslim men of military age in Europe, or the jihad theology of the Qur’an and Hadith. Indeed, I am another who sees a real threat in all of this. However, we Westerners would do very well to re-appropriate the Gospel. Let it not be the case that we are a culture losing its Gospel salt and savor, to whom God must speak through “men of strange tongues” (originally said, in Isaiah, of Judah facing invasion by Assyria). I am firmly convinced that at base, this current conflict is spiritual and theological.

  18. Peter Buckley says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 7:02 pm

  19. hallo says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    aw, muslim is mi frind – see, now he’s a christian 🙂

    • Kepha says

      Apr 17, 2016 at 5:02 pm

      hallo:

      The fact of the matter is that people are shedding Islam to become Christians. For those of us who already are Christians, we have the whole witness of the New Testament to regard such people as brothers and sisters in Christ. Things like this happen because Christians reach out and befriend strangers, and God blesses it. I pray for more of such things to happen.

  20. Ju says

    Apr 20, 2016 at 2:14 pm

    Well did you have any doubt? LOL This shows again clearly the accpetance of the religion of peace

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