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Florida: Muslim speaker says killing gays is act of “compassion”

Apr 5, 2016 9:10 pm By Robert Spencer

The Qur’an contains numerous condemnations of homosexual activity: “And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, ‘Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people.’…And We rained upon them a rain [of stones]. Then see how was the end of the criminals.” (Qur’an 7:80-84)

Muhammad specifies the punishment for this in a hadith: “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, ‘Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.’” (Sunan Abu Dawud 4462)

And so one Muslim cleric, Sheikh Khalid Yasin, concluded: “God is very straightforward about this — not we Muslims, not subjective, the Sharia is very clear about it, the punishment for homosexuality, bestiality or anything like that is death. We don’t make any excuses about that, it’s not our law — it’s the Koran.”

Farrokh Sekaleshfar

“Iranian doctor’s planned talk on Islam and homosexuality outrages some in Sanford,” WFTV.com, March 29, 2016 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

SEMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. — When Dr. Farrohk [sic] Sekaleshfar took the podium Monday night at the Husseini Islamic Center in Sanford to give a talk on women’s issues, attendees said his talk was well-received.

The discussion he was slated to have at the Center Tuesday, though, caused a stir in the city, with some calling English-born Sekaleshfar’s stance “reprehensible.”

Homosexuality as it applies to Islam is a topic Sekaleshfar has been addressing since at least 2013, when he addressed a crowd at the University of Michigan.

The rhetoric in that talk, which was posted on YouTube, was something that resident Alan Komman could not believe was coming to Sanford.

Sekaleshfar was blunt in the 2013 speech, admitting that under Islamic law, the punishment for homosexuality was death.

At the same time, he pointed out that it was the act that should be hated, not the person.

“Because the sinner is Allah’s creation,” he said. “You could never hate Allah’s creation.”

Even the punishment for the act of homosexuality is one of love, Sekaleshfar argued.

“We see the physical killing as something brutal, and this is the point when human hatred toward the act has to be done out of love,” he said in the 2013 talk. “You have to be happy for that person … we believe in an afterlife, we believe in an eternal life … and with this sentence, you will be forgiven and you won’t be accountable in the hereafter.”

In that way, “It’s for his own betterment that he leaves,” Sekaleshfar said.

“We have to have that compassion for people. With homosexuals, it’s the same,” he said. “Out of compassion, let’s get rid of them now.”

At the same time, he said it was different if the homosexual act was done in private.

“Because you can’t enter people’s houses to see if they’re occupied in the act,” he said. “Inside their houses they can do whatever they want, they’re free.”

To be convicted of committing a homosexual act under Islamic law, four people have to witness it, he explained.

That rarely happens, he said.

Sekaleshfar’s talk scheduled for 8:30 p.m. Tuesday in Sanford was titled “How to deal with the phenomenon of homosexuality” on the Islamic Center’s website, but specifics were not given.

Sekaleshfar could not be reached for comment.

A leader at the Islamic Center told Channel 9 that he believes they have the right to have anyone speak and that Tuesday’s talk was a private event.

He did not believe there was any reason to be concerned that Sekaleshfar’s talk could incite violence.

In the 2013 talk, Sekaleshfar did not see Islam’s take on homosexuality as a condemnation of homosexuals.

“True, people can’t be judged and all people are good,” he said. “They’re God’s creatures and that’s why everyone is good … so, is Islam homophobic? This is inaccurate, because there’s no hatred against such people.”…

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  1. Robeaver says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    Kindness not in lexicon of MO. OR Islam.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 5, 2016 at 11:52 pm

      The Islamic deity is said to be ‘merciful’, but is actually far from it. He operates by pure will, making the rationales of his commands unknowable. ‘Allah’ is a despotic slave owner.

      The theory that an action is right solely because ‘God commands it’ is known as the ‘Divine Command’ theory. As a theory, it is temptingly simple, but radically incoherent.

      If Allah commands Muslims to cause as much pain as possible to small children and animals, Muslims do it simply because ‘Allah said so’.

      ‘Allah’ is amoral and submits himself to no system of ethics…just like Mohammed. Mohammed always got what he wanted. That is called situation ethics. Islamic ethics change to take advantage of developing opportunism. Islamic ethics are ‘opportunistic’ and inconsistent, therefore they are contradictory and basically amoral.

      • Jerry says

        Apr 6, 2016 at 9:19 am

        Allah is nothing but a projection of muhammad’s black heart and lust for power. Amazing that a billion muslims have decided following this “best example” for bad morals and murder is the way to go. Our leaders don’t even bother fighting islam’s moral insanity, they just want to make peace with it. We need to get rid of these weak b*stards and get leaders with a spine for freedom and good morals. The truth about islam’s bad intent is too far out in the open to be covered with blanket denials and pretty epithets. The infidel world knows the truth now, the apologists and appeasers damn themselves with their cowardice. Their false argument has lost its ability to fool us. Now is our turn, let the truth shine.

        Islam is evil! It means us harm! Destroy islam’s influence in America!

        • Shane says

          Apr 6, 2016 at 10:58 am

          The more devout a Muslim is, the more likely that he will practice barbaric and misogynistic sharia law and to support jihad against the infidels, blasphemers, apostates, and gays.
          Fight in the Name of Allah
          Muhammad is depicted in a hadith as saying: “Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war… When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them….If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.” (Sahih Muslim 4294)

        • EYESOPEN says

          Apr 6, 2016 at 9:48 pm

          Well said Jerry!

    • abad says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 6:38 pm

      Islam is all about killing those who do not rigidly adhere to its doctrines.

      No such thing as moderate Islam.

      Islam is Islam is Islam.

  2. jihad3tracker says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    Islam and the Qur’an consider women to be inferior to men, so male Muslims know nothing of normal contact between them and women, and marriages are arranged or forced.

    Thus INTENSE SEXUAL URGE REPRESSION, which appears as denial of male homosexuality by Muslim clergy, who are probably in such erotic relationships themselves.

    • Jerry says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 9:33 am

      …Muslim clergy, who are probably in such erotic relationships themselves.

      So true. It’s like you can see their true feelings and desires behind all this over-compensating condemnation. No religion this devoid of good sense and morality has any business teaching anyone about anything.

  3. islam :- the hateful religion of idiots says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    God these Islams are idiots …

    Alla said, “the Sharia is very clear about it, the punishment for homosexuality, bestiality or anything like that is death.”

    “So what about this scattering of pearls, and paradise being boys with jugs of water.??

    is sex ok with boys but not with men ?? ,, how old do you have to be to still be a boy (and be an object of sexual desire, despite the fact you are being raped) .. and to be a man and get killed for being a sexual deviant >>…. and who decides this ??

    and how old you have to be to get killed for being raped ???

    And the Hamas linked CAIR want us to understand them …………. ?

    • mortimer says

      Apr 5, 2016 at 11:58 pm

      Muslims are not all ‘idiots’ as you say. They are rather self-deluded through repetition of things they know not to be true. All mullahs have discovered the impossible inconsistencies of the Islamic writings, but keep quiet about them. After many years of studying Islam, mullahs realize that Islam is false, but continue to teach it because they need a job.

      The mullahs are the most culpable of all Muslims. They could stop Islam if they wanted to.

      The Islamic ’emperor’ has no clothes on. Right, Mr. Mullah?

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 6, 2016 at 5:21 pm

        Mortimer wrote:

        After many years of studying Islam, mullahs realize that Islam is false, but continue to teach it because they need a job.
        ………………………..

        With all respect, Mortimer, I haven’t seen any sign that most Islamic clerics are anything less than fanatical true believers.

        If the scenario you sketch out above were the case, then they would be like doubting Christian clerics–emphasizing the social aspect of their faith and downplaying the religious.

        Instead, most of them are *anything* but–urging their followers to wage violent Islam and impose brutal Shari’ah law. Nobody–no decent person, anyway–needs a job that badly.

        And the idea that if anyone learns about Islam they will be horrified by it is *not* universal–it is really limited to those who are civilized.

        Those who are either grew up being taught to idolize this savagery, or those who are temperamentally drawn to it–will find *more* to admire the more they learn about Islam and its sanguinary “Prophet”.

        • Kepha says

          Apr 7, 2016 at 5:55 am

          Strong Islam vs. both a sex-obsessed secularism and a limpid Christianity–it bodes very ill for the future.

        • Fessitude says

          Apr 7, 2016 at 2:43 pm

          gravenimage says

          April 6, 2016 at 5:21 pm

          Mortimer wrote:

          After many years of studying Islam, mullahs realize that Islam is false, but continue to teach it because they need a job.
          ………………………..

          With all respect, Mortimer…

          ********************************************

          I don’t even read mortimer anymore (I stopped not long after I found a few egregiously PC MC comments of his many moons ago — so strongly PC MC they rise above the asymptotic tics so common in the counter-jihad). This latest elbow spasm by mortimer is therefore utterly unsurprising to me.

          For example, from Memory Lane:

          “mortimer says

          November 11, 2015 at 9:36 pm

          My estimate is that one out 7,000 Muslims is a true terrorist. That would make about 114 true terrorists in a population of 800,000 migrants. If it is twice that much, it would be about 230 true terrorists in a population of 800,000 migrants. ”

          At least two Jihad Watchers weren’t asleep at the switch at that point:

          “Peter Charles says

          November 11, 2015 at 9:58 pm

          What are you basing your stats on? A scientific wild ass guess?”

          And:

          “eduardo odraude says

          November 12, 2015 at 7:52 am

          …
          You can’t just consider the small number willing to actually kill at any given moment. You have to consider how they work in synergy with the other 15%, and how those work in synergy with the large numbers who support Sharia.”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/german-nightclub-refuses-migrants-to-protect-women-from-harassment/comment-page-1#comment-1323632

          Not to mention the gold standard of mortimerisms:

          Most Muslims are much nicer and more moral than Mohammed. They believe theoretically, but most do not practice all the things required by Islam. Perhaps 85% of Muslims are non-practicing ‘hypocrites’. Only 15% are observant.
          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/muslims-protest-against-australia-terror-raids-there-is-anger-in-the-community-we-have-been-victimised-for-years-and-years/comment-page-1#comment-1121892

          Not to mention:

          There are ‘moderate’ Muslims, but they are somewhat confused about what Islam is…and they make up their own delusional, more tolerant version of ‘peaceful Islam’. Wahhabism is ‘real Islam’. Foundational Islam (Salafism) is real Islam.

          There is no mechanism to create ‘moderate Islam’, but the ‘moderate Muslims’ simply ignore it. They do exist, but their beliefs have no basis.
          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/in-wake-of-counter-terror-raids-islamic-council-of-western-australia-plans-hotline-so-muslims-can-report-islamophobia/comment-page-1#comment-1123522

          And:

          mortimer says

          August 16, 2015 at 1:10 am
          …
          The majority of Muslims would leave Muslim countries at their very first chance without hesitation.
          [And he didn’t mean “leave” in order to invade & destroy us; but leave because they can’t stand the Extremism of their homelands and are seeking a better life with us.]

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/uk-muslima-who-joined-islamic-state-now-desperate-to-come-home/comment-page-1#comment-1281102 [and scroll up from there]

          Why anyone takes mortimer seriously here anymore (except to ponder the odd, and frankly fishy, paradox of his otherwise robustly anti-Islamic statements — example: http://tinyurl.com/hwympry — juxtaposed with his egregiously PC MC sentiments that he seems incapable of blurting out now and then in a kind of Tourette’s fit), I don’t know… other than the general, amorphous, squishy asymptotic subculture at Jihad Watch is not conducive to maintaining antibodies against such nonsense (except once in a blue moon, as with graven image perking up to notice it here).

        • Angemon says

          Apr 11, 2016 at 5:57 pm

          “I don’t even read mortimer anymore”

          I’m going to call bulls*** on that one. If, for no other reason, because you’ve said the same about other users, including me, but you kept reading them. And replying to them, to complain how they were “attacking you” and whine about others not jumping in to defend you.

          Don’t like what mortimer writes? Then when you see his name keep scrolling down. You disagree with what he writes? Then rebut it. But proving, again, that you keep tabs on users that not only you claim not to read but apparently hate almost as much as the contributors on this blog doesn’t reflect badly on mortimer, it reflects badly on you. This is a standard leftist tactic – “he said something long ago, therefore he’s a bad person, and no one should take him seriously”. And when that person is deemed too “toxic”, they move on to the next – “you see that guy? He’s associated with that other guy who’s a really bad person”.

      • abad says

        Apr 6, 2016 at 6:40 pm

        Islam the Religion of Delusion(TM)

        I like that.

      • Fessitude says

        Apr 7, 2016 at 2:41 pm

        gravenimage says

        April 6, 2016 at 5:21 pm

        Mortimer wrote:

        After many years of studying Islam, mullahs realize that Islam is false, but continue to teach it because they need a job.
        ………………………..

        With all respect, Mortimer…

        ********************************************

        I don’t even read mortimer anymore (I stopped not long after I found a few egregiously PC MC comments of his many moons ago — so strongly PC MC they rise above the asymptotic tics so common in the counter-jihad). This latest elbow spasm by mortimer is therefore utterly unsurprising to me.

        For example, from Memory Lane:

        “mortimer says

        November 11, 2015 at 9:36 pm

        My estimate is that one out 7,000 Muslims is a true terrorist. That would make about 114 true terrorists in a population of 800,000 migrants. If it is twice that much, it would be about 230 true terrorists in a population of 800,000 migrants. ”

        At least two Jihad Watchers weren’t asleep at the switch at that point:

        “Peter Charles says

        November 11, 2015 at 9:58 pm

        What are you basing your stats on? A scientific wild ass guess?”

        And:

        “eduardo odraude says

        November 12, 2015 at 7:52 am

        …
        You can’t just consider the small number willing to actually kill at any given moment. You have to consider how they work in synergy with the other 15%, and how those work in synergy with the large numbers who support Sharia.”

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/german-nightclub-refuses-migrants-to-protect-women-from-harassment/comment-page-1#comment-1323632

        Not to mention the gold standard of mortimerisms:

        Most Muslims are much nicer and more moral than Mohammed. They believe theoretically, but most do not practice all the things required by Islam. Perhaps 85% of Muslims are non-practicing ‘hypocrites’. Only 15% are observant.
        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/muslims-protest-against-australia-terror-raids-there-is-anger-in-the-community-we-have-been-victimised-for-years-and-years/comment-page-1#comment-1121892

        Not to mention:

        There are ‘moderate’ Muslims, but they are somewhat confused about what Islam is…and they make up their own delusional, more tolerant version of ‘peaceful Islam’. Wahhabism is ‘real Islam’. Foundational Islam (Salafism) is real Islam.

        There is no mechanism to create ‘moderate Islam’, but the ‘moderate Muslims’ simply ignore it. They do exist, but their beliefs have no basis.
        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/in-wake-of-counter-terror-raids-islamic-council-of-western-australia-plans-hotline-so-muslims-can-report-islamophobia/comment-page-1#comment-1123522

        And:

        mortimer says

        August 16, 2015 at 1:10 am
        …
        The majority of Muslims would leave Muslim countries at their very first chance without hesitation.
        [And he didn’t mean “leave” in order to invade & destroy us; but leave because they can’t stand the Extremism of their homelands and are seeking a better life with us.]

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/uk-muslima-who-joined-islamic-state-now-desperate-to-come-home/comment-page-1#comment-1281102 [and scroll up from there]

        Why anyone takes mortimer seriously here anymore (except to ponder the odd, and frankly fishy, paradox of his otherwise robustly anti-Islamic statements — example: http://tinyurl.com/hwympry — juxtaposed with his egregiously PC MC sentiments that he seems incapable of blurting out now and then in a kind of Tourette’s fit), I don’t know… other than the general, amorphous, squishy asymptotic subculture at Jihad Watch is not conducive to maintaining antibodies against such nonsense (except once in a blue moon, as with graven image perking up to notice it here).

      • Fessitude says

        Apr 7, 2016 at 2:45 pm

        gravenimage says

        April 6, 2016 at 5:21 pm

        Mortimer wrote:

        After many years of studying Islam, mullahs realize that Islam is false, but continue to teach it because they need a job.
        ………………………..

        With all respect, Mortimer…

        ********************************************

        I don’t even read mortimer anymore (I stopped not long after I found a few egregiously PC MC comments of his many moons ago — so strongly PC MC they rise above the asymptotic tics so common in the counter-jihad). This latest elbow spasm by mortimer is therefore utterly unsurprising to me.

        For example, from Memory Lane:

        “mortimer says

        November 11, 2015 at 9:36 pm

        My estimate is that one out 7,000 Muslims is a true terrorist. That would make about 114 true terrorists in a population of 800,000 migrants. If it is twice that much, it would be about 230 true terrorists in a population of 800,000 migrants. ”

        At least two Jihad Watchers weren’t asleep at the switch at that point:

        “Peter Charles says

        November 11, 2015 at 9:58 pm

        What are you basing your stats on? A scientific wild ass guess?”

        And:

        “eduardo odraude says

        November 12, 2015 at 7:52 am

        …
        You can’t just consider the small number willing to actually kill at any given moment. You have to consider how they work in synergy with the other 15%, and how those work in synergy with the large numbers who support Sharia.”

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/german-nightclub-refuses-migrants-to-protect-women-from-harassment/comment-page-1#comment-1323632

        Not to mention the gold standard of mortimerisms:

        Most Muslims are much nicer and more moral than Mohammed. They believe theoretically, but most do not practice all the things required by Islam. Perhaps 85% of Muslims are non-practicing ‘hypocrites’. Only 15% are observant.

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/muslims-protest-against-australia-terror-raids-there-is-anger-in-the-community-we-have-been-victimised-for-years-and-years/comment-page-1#comment-1121892

    • vlparker says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 11:30 am

      God these Islams are idiots …

      And we’re idiots for letting them into our country.

    • Angemon says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 12:37 pm

      A man abusing another man by sodomizing him? Halal.
      Two men falling in love and having sex? Haram.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 6, 2016 at 5:23 pm

        *Exactly*, Angemon.

        What Muslims seem to hate is *consensual* same sex between consenting adults–homosexual rape and the abuse of boys is fine. *Ugh*.

  4. Ashley says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    I’m pretty sure there are some empirical studies floating out there that indicate those obsessed with homosexuality might have a skeleton or two “in the closet.”

    “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”

    Does that give you a boner, Mr. Sekaleshfar?

    • mortimer says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 7:12 am

      Most mullahs are addicted to porn.

  5. Matthieu Baudin says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    Under the current political alliance between Post-modernism and Islam it is possible to listen with reverence to the likes of Dr. Sekaleshfar one day and then attend a Gay Rights march the next. Alliances, and values are pretty free and easy these days and followers needn’t concern themselves too much about consistency.

  6. Bill says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    Angry leftists, LBGT activists, and assorted Democrats will counter this by violently busting up GOP political rallies and staging a die-in at St. Patrick’s Cathedral.

    • Jay Boo says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 9:02 am

      (compassion)?
      I can see LBGT activists debating amongst themselves and coming to his defense with:
      — but he said “Out of compassion, let’s get rid of them now.”

      If Allah were really about compassion then why does the Qur’an have to repeat that Allah is compassionate just BEFORE so many of its dripping in blood chapters?
      Obviously, the chapters need propping up.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 5:24 pm

      Grimly spot on in all too many cases, Bill.

  7. Jack HOLAN says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    Have you noticed that when the advocates for the Gay community want to make a point or test a limit they choose an every day Christian such as the Baker in Indiana? I’m not Christian I’m a Jew but it Irks me they will NEVER CHOOSE A Bakery run by a Muslim even though the outcome is likely to be the same. They simply don’t want start up with the the Islamic Community because they won’t budge and they will flip it into a reverse discrimination case.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 12:10 am

      The LBGT community is unaware of the great danger to them from Islam. They’re fed up with fundamentalist churches and want revenge against them. However, Islamic fundamentalism will be ten times worse.

      And you’re right…Muslim bakers (or orthodox Jewish bakers) might equally ask the gay wedding party to put the words they want on their own cake.

      Revenge is not a Jewish or Christian virtue, but it is ‘compulsory’ in the Koran. When LBGT’s discover the vengeance, vindictiveness and severity of Sharia law to LBGT’s, it will be too late for them.

      They willfully refuse to understand that the defenestrations of Gays by ISIS are normative Islam, rather than aberrations.

      • Rosen Otter says

        Apr 6, 2016 at 8:49 pm

        http://www.pinkpistols.org Some of us understand, Mortimer. We also know that the Bible says to kill us, too.

        I do not care the religion of the man that attacks me. I only care that I can outfight him.

        • Jack Holan says

          Apr 7, 2016 at 6:12 pm

          The punishment for LGBT in Iran hanging, Saudi Arabia Beheading.Gaza/Palestinian areas, Syria Iraq thrown off a tall building. You mention that the bible commands. Death penalty too like the Quran. I’m not a Christian but what Christian/Judeo Country has a death penalty for LGBT ?? none! In fact Israel is the only Country in the Sea of Islamic Countries that has a Gay Parade and I hear from your operators is the place to go for them. Returning to your concern about what is in the Old Testament. We, do not accept the literal Old Testament. We , Jews, have what is called the Rabbinal period during which the greatest Sages sat studied looked at the Old Testament from every possible angle and began to make interpretations know as The Talmud or Rabbical Laws. So, we don’t stone people and so forth. I hope this helps give you a better understanding and to dig deeper

      • Kepha says

        Apr 7, 2016 at 6:01 am

        No, Mortimer, the LGBT community is very much aware of the danger to it posed by Islam. That’s why it picks on people who are taught to be forgiving and pray for their enemies rather than use violence. It knows very well it could get some of its members killed by going after a Muslim caterer. Hence, it proves itself to be fundamentally cowardly and parasitic. This is one reason why I see many of our high-minded judges who let rights found in the “penumbra” of the Constitution trump those spelled out in the clear black-and-white text as worse enemies than some immigrant who runs a kebab stand, and who may or may not have a strong commitment to Islam.

        • Mike Turner says

          Apr 7, 2016 at 10:27 am

          @gravenimage Perhaps if you pulled the enormous tuft of ignorance from between your ears, you may realize that when one hates a particular group, they generally despise them in entirety, which I have said numerous times regarding mohammedans.

          The caveat being I support Islam’s position regarding homosexuality.

          Yet you still dwell on whether I support their acceptance of child rape. The answer is a resounding ‘no’.

          Is that clear enough for you?

        • Mike Turner says

          Apr 7, 2016 at 10:32 am

          @Kepha The lgbt ‘community is a band of bullying, intolerant cowards who chose their battles against those who will not or cannot fight back, or those they know will not resort to violence against them.

          They target conservatives, Christians and every facet of Christianity, and willfully ignore the giant elephant in the room known as islam.

        • Fessitude says

          Apr 7, 2016 at 2:53 pm

          “…the LGBT community is very much aware of the danger to it posed by Islam. That’s why it picks on people who are taught to be forgiving and pray for their enemies rather than use violence. It knows very well it could get some of its members killed by going after a Muslim caterer.”

          First, the LGBT community is just a microcosm of a much broader Western PC MC myopia to the problem.

          Secondly, it’s not just the fear of Muslim violence motivating PC MCs; if that were the only factor, we wouldn’t have such confused, tortuous, schizophrenic, incoherent mush articulated by them whenever the problem of Islam comes up. We therefore reasonably posit at least one other factor – a second fear: the fear of being “bigoted” and “racist”. We thus have two fears motivating the PC MCs:

          1) a fear of the Other (the Mother of all Others, Muslims)

          and

          2) a fear of Oneself.

          The first fear is rational, it is not a phobia. The second fear is irrational, and I call it Autophobia (a fear of oneself succumbing to “bigotry” and “racism”). While the first fear is rational, its full rationality remains clouded in the hearts & minds of the PC MCs, since they are motivated to suppress and deform it so much because of the autophobia.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 7, 2016 at 3:20 pm

          “Mike Turner” wrote:

          @gravenimage Perhaps if you pulled the enormous tuft of ignorance from between your ears, you may realize that when one hates a particular group, they generally despise them in entirety, which I have said numerous times regarding mohammedans.
          ………………………………..

          Actually, “Mike Turner” has *not* said this numerous times–he just expressed his admiration for Islam in this case.

          More:

          The caveat being I support Islam’s position regarding homosexuality.
          ………………………………..

          Even though their position includes the murder of gay people. Duly noted.

          More:

          Yet you still dwell on whether I support their acceptance of child rape. The answer is a resounding ‘no’.
          ………………………………..

          Why would anyone connect Islam to child rape? Really, it’s a mystery…sarc/off

          Good to know that after four or five promptings that “Mike Turner” got around to condemning child rape.

          More:

          Is that clear enough for you?
          ………………………………..

          It certainly took “Mike Turner” long enough to say so. But he was quite upfront on his admiration of Islam.

          And the only other thread I have ever seen him comment on was this one:

          “Video: The Islamic State hurls accused gays off rooftops to screams of ‘Allahu akbar!’”

          He wrote in reply to poster Infidela, who wrote:

          I know gays who HATE Islam.

          He replied:

          Gays hate EVERY religion, and anyone who dare opposes their agenda.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/video-the-islamic-state-hurls-accused-gays-off-rooftops-to-screams-of-allahu-akbar#comment-1408419

          Never mind that his assertion is quite false.

          More to the point, he has no criticism of Islam there, either.

          And note–that story was not just about Muslims threatening to murder suspected gays, but their actually *doing so*.

          I think at this point is is quite clear what “Mike Turner’s” agenda is here–and it has *nothing* to do with opposing the savagery of Islam or its threat to us all.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 7, 2016 at 4:04 pm

          Oh–wait. I just found something *much* more damning from the vile “Mike Turner” on the same “Video: The Islamic State hurls accused gays off rooftops to screams of ‘Allahu akbar!’” that I had previously missed previously:

          “Kudos to ISIS!

          We need to do this in San Francisco. Homosexuality is evil.”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/video-the-islamic-state-hurls-accused-gays-off-rooftops-to-screams-of-allahu-akbar#comment-1408032

          So homosexuality is evil, but throwing suspected gay people to their deaths *is not*.

          And he is slathering over the thought of Jihadists doing this in the streets of *our own cities*. *Ugh*.

          It is quite clear “Mike Turner” is no Anti-Jihadist.

          In fact, this is what he has to say about Jihad on his own blog–after vaguely bemoaning the “loss of life” in the Brussels bombing, he sanguinely notes that Europeans “learn to live” with Jihad terror.

          Of course, as made clear by his comment on the other thread, he doesn’t just want us to “live with” Jihad, terror, he wants it visited on us.

          Here’s what he has to say about Islam itself, even though he is supposed to be a Christian:

          “…It’s the same faith! But it has different dimensions to it, and I think we can learn from it. Their faith is less frivolous and more joyous. It has a deeper conviction of sin yet at the same time a greater understanding of grace. Its a faith more concerned with reaching others with their message than with staying comfortable in their places. It’s a faith at once more theologically astute yet more deeply in love with the Lord. It’s a faith based in their hearts and informed by their minds not vice versa.

          One other aspect of their faith bears mentioning: it’s a faith that sustains through persecution. These people have proved that…”

          http://miketurnerblog.com/

          So he thinks vicious Islam is the *same faith* as Christianity–*ugh*.

          One wonders what he considers “joyous” in Islam–except for their celebrations of slaughtering Infidels.

          And yes–Islam “reaches others with its message” in the form of conquest and violent Jihad.

          And he believes that Muslims are “persecuted”–I suppose because so many of the ‘filthy Infidels’ will not allow them to impose brutal Shari’ah law.

          This story, “Mission Trip Day Three–Living on the Edge”, is right below the rant against gays.

          The one right under it is a piece speaking positively of Europe letting in millions of Muslim invaders–“Mission Trip Day Two–Refugees in a Fearful World”.

          He does finally get around to condemning ISIS’s murder of 21 Coptic victims several pages back–but that does not prevent him from wanting ISIS to reach our cities and murder people here.

  8. Xero_G says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    When a Muslim male has sex with a goat, is the punishment more severe if the gist is male, compared with a female goat?

    • Vlad says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 5:17 am

      Well my inquisitive friend, you ought to read the “The Little Green Book” of Ayatollah Khomaini.
      Facinating and enlightining stuff 🙂
      Page 40, and I quote: If a man – Allah protect him from it! – fornicates with an animal and
      ejaculates, ablution is necessary.”
      Page 56, “If a man sodomizes the son, brother, or father of his wife after their
      marriage, the marriage remains valid.”
      Page 25: “If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their
      urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may
      no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as
      possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who
      sodomized it.”
      On the Sharia Law of buggering male or female goats, you may have to direct this
      question to one of the “Learned” Sharia Law experts 🙂
      I hope this helps
      Vlad
      (PS. I am still holding my sites from laughing. 🙂 I really recommend this book to anyone that needs
      cheering up 🙂

      • vcragain says

        Apr 6, 2016 at 6:10 am

        It is comical if you just cast a quick look – but I am mind-boggled by all this buggery – do all societies have this problem, am I the only innocent person who thought this was RARE or is the whole world out there buggering itself to death ? For heavens sake get up and do something useful – are all males this base and I am really really ignorant of life ? Yuck !

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 6, 2016 at 5:28 pm

          Every society, I imagine, has had creeps sodomizing farm animals from time to time.

          But only Islam normalizes it.

          Those who most commonly search for internet bestiality are Muslims–Pakistan is especially bad.

          “Muslim countries lead the way in bestiality searches on Google”

          http://www.christianaction.org/news/2015/1/19/muslim-countries-lead-the-way-in-bestiality-searches-on-google

  9. revereridesagain says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    And this will not be prosecuted as “hate speech” because… “Islamophobia”!

    And yes, let’s see some of those hot-to-trot bakery busting LGBT-ers take it to some Muslim-run enterprises and see how that works out for them. Assuming the owners haven’t been paying close attention to Dr. Sekaleshfar and decide to sieze the opportunity to act on his advice.

  10. Westman says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 11:04 pm

    “..and with this sentence, you will be forgiven and you won’t be accountable in the hereafter.” – Dr. Farrokh Sekaleshfar.

    OK where is this forgiveness in the Quran or Hadiths? Do Al-Azhar scholars agree with this or is the Doc making up some personal doctrine?

    And how about, “..execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.’” (Sunan Abu Dawud 4462)

    Dear Dr. Farrohk, would you kill the boy raped at a swimming pool – “the one to whom it is done” – by a muslim refugee having a “sexual emergency”, and call that mercy? Please in your infinite wisdom, explain why the raped boy is accountable and should be killed to get forgiveness from the great, sadist, Allah?

    You know, the “god” who enjoys torturing the unbelievers, burning off and replacing their skins, pouring boiling water on their head until their bellies melt, giving them caustic liquid to drink, etc.

    Did you ever tell your medical instructors at Imperial College of London that you believe in torture of the unbelievers? It seems to me that for you the Hippocratic Oath is pure hypocrisy.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 6:02 pm

      Westman wrote:

      And how about, “..execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.’” (Sunan Abu Dawud 4462)

      Dear Dr. Farrohk, would you kill the boy raped at a swimming pool – “the one to whom it is done” – by a muslim refugee having a “sexual emergency”, and call that mercy?
      ………………..

      Yes–I’ve always noticed that as well, Westman.

      This would mean that not just gay people, but even the *victims of homosexual rape* would be murdered by pious Muslims.

      God, I hate Islam.

  11. Lucretius says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    The thing I don’t understand is where he is getting this doctrine: “You have to be happy for that person … we believe in an afterlife, we believe in an eternal life … and with this sentence, you will be forgiven and you won’t be accountable in the hereafter.” Does the pain of the death penalty expiate the sin of all homosexuals, or only to those who repent before dying, not the unrepentant (such as the people of Lot)? And if they repent but die a natural death, does Allah count it against them in the world to come because they didn’t pay enough by suffering a penalty in this world? I can’t find the authoritative basis for his opinion about the expiating power of the death penalty, especially in light of passages like 5:33 “The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.” Can anyone help?

    • Westman says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 12:47 am

      I’ve been looking into this question of being executed as payment and forgiveness for homosexuality.

      First, there should be no execution unless homosexuality is witnessed. Somehow gays are being killed on accusations.

      The Quran verses that follow are used to determine Allah’s attitude about forgiveness:

      And those who invoke not any other ilah (god) along with Allah, nor kill such life as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.

      The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace;

      Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds, for those, Allah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” Quran 25:68-70

      As usual, “scholars” don’t agree about how to interpret these verses. Not too reassuring when considering a person’s life is at stake.

      There are two main interpretations with one overlapping requirement: The homosexual must sincerely pray for forgiveness from Allah.

      Then, depending on the arbitrary interpretation of the flavor of Islam to which he belongs:

      1. He IS killed anyway, thrown off high place, killed by sword, etc, but Allah forgives. OR,

      2. He is forgiven by both Allah and the community, and if consistently living the repentant life, he might even marry and have a “normal” life.

      If course, the beauty of this wide range is that a Muslim can lie about Allah not wanting the blood of homosexuals while he is waiting for an opportunity to throw them off buildings and stone the remainder.

      Unfortunately, the ISIS version of of killing homosexuals is as valid as Dr. Sekaleshfar’s forgiveness version.

      Islam is an inconsistent, ridiculous ideology; as inconsistent as the civil law to which it claims superiority. Islam is a bad joke, and for infidels, not even in good taste.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 6:08 pm

      Lucretius wrote:

      The thing I don’t understand is where he is getting this doctrine
      ……………………….

      That’s because no such doctrine exists, Lucretius. I think it is just a way for Muslims–they hope, anyway–to get Westerners to regard the murder of gay people under Islam as somewhat less horrific than it is.

      I’ve heard the same claim made with reference to women who are “Honor Killed” or stoned to death–but there is no more doctrinal basis for this than with homosexuals.

      Tellingly, I have *only* heard these claims being made in the West–in Dar-al-Islam the mask is off, and they do not bother with this sort of prevarication.

  12. Arthur says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    Is it any wonder that Islam is so full of self-contradictions and nonsense when you consider it aims to emulate the sociopathic personality of a make-believe prophet of a fabricated god? If you’ve ever known a sociopath, you’ve already met the embodiment of the Islamic ideal.

  13. Karen says

    Apr 5, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    Killing is an act of love, Islam means peace, not submission, virgins are raisins….

    I wonder why the imam attaches the death penalty to homosexuality, but not to, say, adultery, theft, lying, greed, etc.? If the death penalty cleanses the sinner and is a ‘get out of hell’ card, why not apply it more liberally and often? Why be so stingy with the love and compassion? Why, perhaps there are a few sins he needs to cleanse himself of…..

  14. gravenimage says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 1:25 am

    Florida: Muslim speaker says killing gays is act of “compassion”
    ………………………….

    We’ve heard this grotesque crap before from Mohammedans–that “Honor Killing” disobedient wives and stoning women to death is actually “compassionate”. *Ugh*.

    More:

    Even the punishment for the act of homosexuality is one of love, Sekaleshfar argued.

    “We see the physical killing as something brutal, and this is the point when human hatred toward the act has to be done out of love,” he said in the 2013 talk. “You have to be happy for that person … we believe in an afterlife, we believe in an eternal life … and with this sentence, you will be forgiven and you won’t be accountable in the hereafter.”
    ………………………….

    Not only would this be appalling enough if true, but Sekaleshfar is lying–under Islam, the only eternal afterlife the victim would get would be hell.

    This is just intended to snow us Kuffar.

    More:

    “We have to have that compassion for people. With homosexuals, it’s the same,” he said. “Out of compassion, let’s get rid of them now.”
    ………………………….

    Let us murder homosexuals, filthy Infidels…

    More:

    At the same time, he said it was different if the homosexual act was done in private.

    “Because you can’t enter people’s houses to see if they’re occupied in the act,” he said. “Inside their houses they can do whatever they want, they’re free.”
    ………………………….

    Uh huh. Except that this isn’t true in Sekaleshfar’s native Iran or anywhere else under Shari’ah law, where the religious police can enter anyone’s home.

    More:

    To be convicted of committing a homosexual act under Islamic law, four people have to witness it, he explained.

    That rarely happens, he said.
    ………………………….

    Uh huh. And that’s why women are never stoned to death in Islam…sarc/off

    More bs for the our consumption.

    The fact is that Iran itself frequently hangs people suspected of being gay, and the Islamic State just threw four men off a roof to their deaths. Are we supposed to believe that there were “four witnesses” in all these cases?

    Moreover, check *this* out:

    “Iraq: ‘Morality police’ stone to death at least 90 young men for ’emo’ appearance”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/03/iraq-morality-police-stone-to-death-at-least-90-young-men-for-emo-appearance

    Yes–these kids were considered “gay” because they liked–or looked like they might like–alternative rock music.

    More:

    He did not believe there was any reason to be concerned that Sekaleshfar’s talk could incite violence.
    ………………………….

    Well, except for inciting Mohammedans to slaughter anyone who appears to be gay, that is…

    In fact, if the state is not murdering those who should be killed under Shari’ah law, it is incumbent on individual Muslims to carry out the sentence.g

  15. mortimer says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 6:44 am

    Dr. Farrohk [sic] Sekaleshfar said: “Because the sinner is Allah’s creation… You could never hate Allah’s creation.”

    Oh, really?

    What does Sharia law say?
    Saudi Arabia’s Permanent Committee for Islamic Research and Issuing Fatwas [1]—which issues religious decrees that become law—issued a fatwa, or decree, titled, “Duty to Hate Jews, Polytheists, and Other Infidels.” Written by Sheikh Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz (d. 1999), former grand mufti and highest religious authority in the government, the fatwa is binding on all Muslims.

    Accordingly, all Muslims must “OPPOSE AND HATE whomever Allah commands us to oppose and hate, including the Jews, the Christians, and other mushrikin [non-Muslims], until they believe in Allah alone and abide by his laws, which he sent down to his Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings upon him.”

    And what does the Koran say?
    Koran 60: 4-5 Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrahim and those with him, when they said to their people: “Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides ALLAH : we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you HOSTILITY AND HATRED FOREVER until you believe in ALLAH ALONE”

    OK, so Islam in no way teaches ‘love’ of kafirs. Islam teaches that Muslims must HATE AND OPPOSE KAFIRS.

    I’m glad I had this opportunity to prove Sekaleshfar wrong…and a damn liar.

  16. mortimer says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 6:45 am

    According to Sekaleshfar, killing is love.

    Islam killed 270 million people with ‘love’.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 8:16 pm

      *So* true, Mortimer.

  17. Dov Berrol says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 7:51 am

    This really brings up the most dangerous aspect of Mohammedism: the chutzpa that these Muslims have in feeling so confident in understanding what Allah “wants” that they feel justified in meting out lethal punishment to other human beings they don’t even know. One of the beautiful (and revolutionary) aspects of Judaism is that we are constantly questioning the words in ancient scripture and even challenging G-d when something does not seem right. Even Israel does not have the death penalty. Muslims hate this aspect of Judaism – they see it as rebellious to question religious doctrine and to not “submit” to the dangerous words of some religious leader. Even Abraham debated with God about the fate of Sodom. Even Moses challenged God when he disagreed about a certain judgment. Even Jacob “wrestled” with God’s angel and actually “prevailed”. That’s what Israel means. A true comoassionate human is not so arrogant to believe his little brain knows better than others what the Creator of the Universe wants. No matter how many years he has studied ancient scripture. Let God do the judging on His own. This idea of “submission” in Islam is the most dangerous aspect of the ideology: vigilante “justice” and “punishment” perpetrated on innocent people by religious Muslim lone wolves and terrorist gangs alike.

  18. Jerry says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 8:38 am

    “God is very straightforward about this — not we Muslims, not subjective, the Sharia is very clear about it, the punishment for homosexuality, bestiality or anything like that is death. We don’t make any excuses about that, it’s not our law — it’s the Koran.”

    In the first place, your god is a fake demon invented by a demented warlord. So we don’t care what it says. Your koran is not the word of god, it is a hodgepodge of stolen ideas from other faiths and muslim bigotry toward non-believers. It contains no wisdom or anything else that tells me it’s from a wise and loving god. Your faith is a fraud and so are you.

    Islam itself is a sickness, promising virgins and boys as sexual pearls for anyone that serves allah’s hateful agenda. It beats women and forces young girls to be married against their will– virtual rape. It mutilates little girls sexually as if they were cattle for men’s sexual pleasure. It denies others their right to religious freedom, a fundamental right of all people. It crushes the light of truth by condemning free speech, because the truth will expose its own lies and ignorance. It condemns to death anyone that leaves islam, proof that islam is not from god but hateful and controlling man. Islam is so filled with darkness and moral insanity that the world’s leaders have decided the best path is simply to try and make peace with the filthy beast, because surely it’s beyond redemption or moral persuasion. But I don’t subscribe to that weak method. I think good people of the world should scream their objections to this religious fascism. They should be strong where our leaders our weak. We’ll change the world for the better, with or without their help.

    • Jerry says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 8:54 am

      Clean your own house first, islam. Then maybe you can tell us how to clean ours.

  19. Mike Turner says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 9:16 am

    Totally agree with islam on this matter. Sad that Christianity & western society continues to cave to the homosexual agenda.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 6:14 pm

      “Mike Turner” wrote:

      Totally agree with islam on this matter. Sad that Christianity & western society continues to cave to the homosexual agenda.
      …………………………

      So failing to *murder gay people* is ‘caving to the homosexual agenda’?

      Murdering people is inimical to Christianity, and illegal in the civilized West–something morons like this one should understand.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 6, 2016 at 6:16 pm

        And one wonders *what else* “Mike Turner” agrees with Islam on–raping little girls? Keeping sex slaves? Mass-murdering unbelievers? *Ugh*.

        • Mike Turner says

          Apr 6, 2016 at 6:32 pm

          @gravenimage

          Uh, no, caving to the homosexual agenda doesn’t equate to murdering faggots & their ilk; I simply said islam has never, ever capitulated against the endless onslaught of homosexual activism. That is an admirable trait. Nor do I envision they ever will capitulate.

          The prog-liberals have let the wolf in the henhouse, and I’m glad they are getting what they deserve.

          BTW, homosexuality is ‘inimical’ to society as a whole, you idiotic gay apologist.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 6, 2016 at 8:38 pm

          More crap from the appalling “Mike Turner”:

          @gravenimage

          Uh, no, caving to the homosexual agenda doesn’t equate to murdering faggots & their ilk
          …………………………….

          It does in the story above. You wrote:

          “Totally agree with islam on this matter”

          Since this story is about homosexuals being murdered under Islam, that is *exactly* what you were agreeing with.

          Still no condemnation of “murdering faggots & their ilk” from this creep.

          More:

          I simply said islam has never, ever capitulated against the endless onslaught of homosexual activism. That is an admirable trait. Nor do I envision they ever will capitulate.
          …………………………….

          They haven’t “capitulated” to calls for them to stop waging violent Jihad or stoning rape victims to death, either. How “admirable”! sarc/off

          More:

          The prog-liberals have let the wolf in the henhouse, and I’m glad they are getting what they deserve.
          …………………………….

          Notice that “Mike Turner” considers gay people to be the “wolf in the henhouse”, but murderous Muslims *are not*.

          More:

          BTW, homosexuality is ‘inimical’ to society as a whole, you idiotic gay apologist.
          …………………………….

          Again, note that “Mike Turner” has no such qualms about homicidal Mohammedans.

          Note, also, that he while he was nominally replying to my comments where I ask him whether he agrees with Islam’s raping little girls, keeping sex slaves, and mass-murdering unbelievers, he does not actually address this at all–certainly not to condemn it. *Ugh*.

          And a further point, already raised by several other posters here, including myself–Islam is actually *not* all that opposed to homosexuality–mostly they are opposed to consensual same-sex.

          They are generally fine with the molestation of little boys and homosexual rape. And yet, this moral idiot still considers Islam “admirable”. *Ugh*.

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 6, 2016 at 9:08 pm

          ” you idiotic gay apologist.”

          Typical.,.,. Can’t argue, so resort to utterly off base name calling. GI has never come out with a comment that would in any way ‘justify’ your pathetic and childish smear of her… I would suggest you apologize, but I have found that apologies from someone as lacking in ethical stature or intelligence as you, are usually lies. Rather muslim like.

        • Mike Turner says

          Apr 6, 2016 at 10:23 pm

          @gravenimage Well, by golly it’s good that you aren’t an attorney or in a position that mandates logic and analysis.

          Or perhaps you are and in that case, I pity your clients.

          I could care less whether islam has a hypocrisy with homosexuality, or whether the perversion with dancing boys is more of a local ‘phenomenon’. If you delved a bit deeper into the subject, you might learn that the latter is considered taboo, and largely an underground activity or one ‘allowed’ through graft.

          Tying back to my main point, I admire muslims for telling queers to fuck-off, and not being bullied by them and their politically-correct liberal pigs.

          Back when the fags started targeting Christian based business for ‘discrimination’, several people made videos of muslim-owned businesses telling actors portraying homosexuals to ‘get out’ of their store. The gaystappo and prog-liberals give the muslims a free pass; not one business was ever legitimately investigated or charged with ‘discrimination’.

          You completely misinterpreted most of what else I said, so there is no need to revisit that.

          I’ll close with saying I hate islam and muslims, about the same as I hate the gaykkk and progressive liberals & socialists. The shit is already hitting the fan in the EU and Canada as muslims are turning on the very same people that opened their doors to them. I will be cheering when they start tossing gays off of buildings in Molenbeek.

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 6, 2016 at 11:40 pm

          “The shit is already hitting the fan in the EU and Canada as muslims are turning on the very same people that opened their doors to them. ”

          You really are an ignorant, loud mouthed @ss.. Due to years of practice, no doubt. GI’s dismemberment of your post and reply were very well reasoned, and quite logical. That you can’t or won’t see that, speaks volumes about your low levels of intelligence and integrity. As for muslims acting up in Canada, the same way they are in the EU, you are again, full of it. We have pushy jerks who try to walk to the front of the line, expecting to be allowed to do so. And they are told by multiple people to get in line, and shut up.

          As for your freaked out hatred of homosexuality…. I haven’t heard anyone run off at the mouth with the juvy name calling like that, in years. And in both cases, they later came out of the closet…. Which I suspect you will eventually do, as well.

          By the way, my psych background is old school study and analysis, and not the feel good slop that is so pathetically common in current curricula… I regard homosexuality as a maladaptation. And as long as it is consenting adults…. I wish them luck and long lives, but don’t expect they will have either.

          You doth protest way to F888888 much.

        • Mike Turner says

          Apr 7, 2016 at 10:53 am

          @Western Canadian “GI ‘dismembered’ my post..”

          LOL.

          The only thing she ‘dismembered’ is the fat-laden Swanson TV dinner she had last night as part of her EBT allocation.

          Your country is finished, so no use wallowing here; you’ll reap what you PC idiots have sown w/Trudeau. No wonder Quebecois are so motivated to separate from you morons.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 6, 2016 at 11:45 pm

          Yet more from “Mike Turner”:

          @gravenimage Well, by golly it’s good that you aren’t an attorney or in a position that mandates logic and analysis.
          …………………………….

          Actually, everything I said was entirely logical–and it seems clear that you cannot refute that, or else you would have. Instead, you stoop to absurd ad hominem attacks..

          More:

          I could care less whether islam has a hypocrisy with homosexuality, or whether the perversion with dancing boys is more of a local ‘phenomenon’. If you delved a bit deeper into the subject, you might learn that the latter is considered taboo, and largely an underground activity or one ‘allowed’ through graft.
          …………………………….

          What utter rot. Raping boys is mainstream Islam–it is, in fact, one of the prime “perks” of the appalling Muslim paradise.

          And it is repulsive to know that you do not care about these child victims. *Ugh*.

          More:

          Tying back to my main point, I admire muslims for telling queers to fuck-off, and not being bullied by them and their politically-correct liberal pigs.
          …………………………….

          How many times has “Mike Turner” reiterated his admiration for Mohammedans at this point? Truly disturbing.

          More:

          Back when the fags started targeting Christian based business for ‘discrimination’, several people made videos of muslim-owned businesses telling actors portraying homosexuals to ‘get out’ of their store. The gaystappo and prog-liberals give the muslims a free pass; not one business was ever legitimately investigated or charged with ‘discrimination’.
          …………………………….

          Yes–gays have largely been mired in political correctness and in denial when it comes to the Jihad threat. That has been mentioned many, many times here–including by Robert Spencer.

          That has, however, not led him to “admire” Islam, as it apparently has the appalling “Mike Turner”.

          More:

          You completely misinterpreted most of what else I said, so there is no need to revisit that.

          I’ll close with saying I hate islam and muslims, about the same as I hate the gaykkk and progressive liberals & socialists. The shit is already hitting the fan in the EU and Canada as muslims are turning on the very same people that opened their doors to them.
          …………………………….

          Note that “Mike Turner” *still* will not say if he agrees with Islam on the rape of children and sex slaves, and the murder of unbelievers.

          Since I have asked him point blank about this issue several times now and he has not condemned Islam on these points, we can only assume that he *does* agree with them–despite his vague assertion that he hates islam and muslims. *Ugh*.

          More:

          I will be cheering when they start tossing gays off of buildings in Molenbeek.
          …………………………….

          Well, I have no doubt that this is true. What a bloody barbarian.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 6, 2016 at 11:47 pm

          Thank you, Western Canadian. Good posts.

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 7, 2016 at 1:20 pm

          “Mike Turner says
          April 7, 2016 at 10:53 am

          @Western Canadian “GI ‘dismembered’ my post..”

          LOL.

          The only thing she ‘dismembered’ is the fat-laden Swanson TV dinner she had last night as part of her EBT allocation.”

          An evasion that even a six year old would be ashamed of using, but, after all, it is all you have to offer. Don’t tell the six year old you borrowed it from that you did use it… they would probably unfriend you on Facefook, and then you will be all alone. Due entirely to you being a total @ss.
          \

          “Your country is finished, so no use wallowing here;”

          Canada is less in the hole to islam, than the US…. You’ve had the thug in chief for almost 8 years, we’ve had the shiny pony for a matter of months. Again, just a pathetic evasion, again demonstrating your mind has totally rotted.

          “you’ll reap what you PC idiots have sown w/Trudeau.”

          Again, we are behind you on that curve, thanks to the thug who stole the white house. Truly pathetic of you.

          “No wonder Quebecois are so motivated to separate from you morons.”

          Again, you demonstrate your ignorance, but you probably just can’t help yourself…. Quebec has very little wish to separate…. The financial bribes paid to that province, are more than sufficient to keep them in Canada. The greater threat is that western Canadian provinces will leave…. they can’t survive without us, and with a moron like shiny pony is office, it is vastly more likely to occur than Quebec leaving. Again, your stupidity and ignorance are truly mind blowing…..

          Your pathetic rants, could be an indication of dementia, possibly from AIDS…. your hysterical hatred of homosexuals….. again, probably that you will eventually come out of the closet…

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 7, 2016 at 4:31 pm

          Yet more from “Mike Turner”, in reply to Western Canadian:

          @Western Canadian “GI ‘dismembered’ my post..”

          LOL.

          The only thing she ‘dismembered’ is the fat-laden Swanson TV dinner she had last night as part of her EBT allocation.
          ……………………………..

          Well, that’s just puerile.

          More:

          Your country is finished, so no use wallowing here; you’ll reap what you PC idiots have sown w/Trudeau. No wonder Quebecois are so motivated to separate from you morons.
          ……………………………..

          And here he is, sneering at the (supposed) destruction of our neighbor and closest ally. *Ugh*.

          Even if this creep cares nothing for Canadians–disgusting enough–how can he imagine the United States would remain unharmed with an Islamic nation on our northern border?

          But this assumes that he actually has a problem with our conquest by Islam–he does not. In fact, he shows here that he welcomes it.

          On the “Video: The Islamic State hurls accused gays off rooftops to screams of ‘Allahu akbar!’” thread, he says this:

          “Kudos to ISIS!

          We need to do this in San Francisco. Homosexuality is evil.”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/video-the-islamic-state-hurls-accused-gays-off-rooftops-to-screams-of-allahu-akbar/comment-page-1#comment-1408032

          He *wants* Muslims slaughtering Infidels in our streets.

  20. jewdog says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 10:16 am

    I think that this guy should be lovingly strangled.

    • No Fear says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 6:08 pm

      Lol. So Orwellian.

  21. Fred says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 11:04 am

    But it’s ok for Muslim men to have sex with young boys, in paradise ? Didn’t Muhammad have an encounter with men in the Koran ? And it’s ok for Muslim men to dress boys as women, make them dance, and go in the back room with them ? I believe they’re also allowed to rape young boy captives also.

    Sounds gay to me.

  22. Christine says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 11:37 am

    Islam makes Margarat Atwood’s “Handmaid’s tale” look like a sunny paradise in comparison. I have no doubt now that this is the great war of our time. I believe (being a progressive leftist) that a time will come when we are called upon to fight for our freedom to preserve it, and I hope it is not too late already to do so. The rights of the women of Europe are being sold out to the worst form of barbaric theocrat in the name of somehow creating a “better” society. The la-la land that most of the left seems stuck in won’t last, and when the bubble bursts, there will be a day of reckoning. Hopefully it is a problem we can solve with laws and prisons instead of bombs and guns, but.. Hopefully we have enough time to reassert the right to basic law and order in our societies.

    • Western Canadian says

      Apr 6, 2016 at 9:15 pm

      Atwood is MUCH to PC for me to stomach… The book you mention is a vicious and dishonest attack against Christians, which is why the hard left loves it so much,. Breeding people like cattle, as the book describes, is about as far from Christian as you can get.

  23. Christine says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 11:56 am

    Thank god we kicked Queers Against Israeli Apartheid OUT of pride. They are complete idiots, and at this point largely defunct.

  24. King Tut says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    I’m confused about Islam. if…

    “the punishment for homosexuality, bestiality or anything like that is death. We don’t make any excuses about that, it’s not our law — it’s the Koran.”

    … then why do muslims fuck goats, fuck little boys (I know this is in the Quran as well, and practice homosexuality all throughout the muslim world. they even jelq their children’s dicks until they grow 10+ inches to then be used as pleasure for men. Islamic culture is the most contradicting backwards culture I have ever came across. they preach against one thing, and do the exact thing they condemn. fucking hypocrites need to be nuked off the face off the earth, destroying the planet.

  25. Christine says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 1:20 pm

    re: Allah

    Allah is a rehashed tribal pagan moon good, and Islam is rehashed Arab tribalism with inbuilt justifications for raiding and war…

  26. b.c.terry says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    The insanity of islam comes to fore again.

    I see no redeeming qualities in his insidious ideology.

  27. b.c.terry says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 1:24 pm

    “this” insidious ideology

  28. Sam says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    “Florida: Muslim speaker says killing gays is act of “compassion”

    You see now that is why gay rights activists are usually in love with Islam and Muslims. Islam is a religion of peace and, I have to add, love. Here you have it.

  29. Dan Jones says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    These followers of the pedophile are TRULY warped…

    More End Time News At:
    http://www.shininginthedark.com/?page_id=6088

  30. LR says

    Apr 6, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    Well, he does have free speech rights to state what is Sharia. I just want it to be blasted all over the major news networks. If the major networks would expose these idiots for what they are, people will take more notice, and these guys won’t want to yack about their crappy Sharia anymore.

    That old thing about cockroaches don’t like the light. Plus, they might get splatted.

  31. Fessitude says

    Apr 7, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    Islam cultivates a sexual schizophrenia — simultaneously cultivating a fanatical Puritanism regarding sex, and a demonic sexual depravity. The great Christian theologian (and saint) Gregory Palamas as well as at least one contemporary of his, noted that the Muslims of his day routinely sodomized the male Kuffar they abducted in their various raids they made by land and by sea; and that indeed, the Muslims were known for cultivating an “andromania” (a frenzied lust for having sex with men).

    Source: “Gregory Palamas among the Turks and Documents of His Captivity as Historical Sources”, G. Georgiades Arnakis, Speculum, Vol. 26, No. 1 (Jan., 1951).

    I reasonably impute this schizophrenia in Islamic culture to the ingenious machination of Satan in creating a world-wide religion that inculcates a sincere belief in its own piety and godliness while simultaneously indulging in demonic depravity.

    Or as Gregory Palamas put it:

    For this infidel and god-hated and all-abominable nation [i.e., the trans-national nation of the Umma of Islam] boasts that they have overcome the Romans on account of piety… God has delivered them unto a lascivious mind, passions and vices, so that they live shamefully and inhumanly and in a way hated by God … they live by their bows and swords, rejoicing in enslavement, murder, raiding, looting, wantonness, adultery, sodomy. And not only do they indulge in such practices, but (O madness!) they think that God approves of them. This is my opinion concerning them, now that I know their ways more accurately.

  32. Hontur says

    May 19, 2016 at 5:04 am

    I think religions like islam have a strong power to corrupt the mind. I think so many muslims are simply lost cases. It doesn’t matter how much you try to reason with them to show them their religion (islam) is immoral and violence-oriented; they will not understand. If a muslim firmly believes killing gay people is an act of compassion I think that man is a lost case, he has become a psychopath, he lacks compassion, critical think, reason.

    I sometimes read comments on YT where the topic of homosexuality in the Middle East is addressed. They are deeply hateful and rejoyce in envisioning the killing of gay people, they love saying how much they desire to see gay people going to hell. They say it with a conviction that cannot be broken.

    I wish 99% of muslims had the capacity to understand that islam is wrong, but that is never going to happen. A few will understand and leave islam, but the vast majority will remain muslim, they enjoy feeling superior and subject others to torture. We can do nothing else but defend the west from islam.

    Once islam has taken your mind that person is lost.

  33. The Radio Jihad Network says

    Jun 7, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    Another Tom Trento and The United West expose of Muslims behaving poorly.

  34. Nikki Markacek says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 7:23 am

    It’s also one of God’s main laws that we should not kill. Apparently it’s okay to skip parts of God’s law if it doesn’t work for you.

  35. sharon says

    Jun 14, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    This person knows nothing about the word of God just taking actions into his own hands. God says judge not least ye be judged and those that think a person should die because they don’t like their lifestyle is nothing but evil.

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