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Germany: Muslim teens admit bombing Sikh temple; one was in deradicalization program

Apr 29, 2016 6:05 pm By Robert Spencer

“His accomplice has been participating in a special programme of the interior ministry for Salafists…” And yet again we see that these programs do not work, and will never work, because they are based on a politically correct denial of the ideological roots of the problem.

Essen Sikh temple

“‘IS-linked’ teenagers accept hand in German gurdwara bombing: Report,” PTI, April 29, 2016 (thanks to Lookmann):

Two secondary-school students accused of carrying out a bomb attack on a gurdwara in the German city of Essen almost two weeks ago have admitted to being involved in the incident, claims a minister’s report, adding that the two radical Islamists are sympathisers of Islamic State (IS) and al-Qaeda terrorist outfits.

The two are charged with detonating a fire extinguisher filled with explosives at the entrance of Gurdwara Nanaksar Satsang Sabha on the evening of April 16. Before setting off the blast, the two 16-year-olds tried to break into the Sikh place of worship, North Rhine Westphalia (NRW) interior minister Ralf Jaeger has said in a report presented on Thursday to the home affairs committee of the state parliament in Duesseldorf. “They have admitted to carrying out the attack but denied that the motive was religious,” the report adds.

The boys are reported to have told their investigators that they did it “just for the kick of building fireworks”. The two from Essen and the neighbouring town of Gelsenkirchen are known to police as members of the radical Salafist sect of Islam, the report claims. It adds that during police interrogation in connection with his involvement in cases of causing grievous bodily harm and attempted burglary, he expressed his sympathy for the IS and al-Qaeda.

His accomplice has been participating in a special programme of the interior ministry for Salafists, who have a tendency to get involved in violence and are in danger of being drawn to IS and other terror organisations. He came under police radar attention after threatening a Jewish fellow-student and attempting to obtain firearms, the report has said.

They were arrested four days after an explosion at the entrance hall of the gurdwara hosting a wedding ceremony. Most of the wedding guests had left for nearby hall for a reception when the bomb got off. A gurdwara priest was injured seriously, while two others were treated for minor injuries. The gurdwara building was damaged severely….

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  1. Jaladhi says

    Apr 29, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    Instead of deradicalization eradication may work better!1

    • mortimer says

      Apr 30, 2016 at 3:37 am

      To Jaladhi: Certainly, deradicalization through deprogramming run by government intelligence in a professional way, but certainly not calls for genocide which are shameful and a contradiction of everything we Westerners stand for.

      • Peggy says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 4:52 am

        I see you’re still in denial. Deradicalization doesn’t work. They were brought up with Islam with full support of their families. How do you think radicalization is going to work? Stop them from ever seeing their families again? Do you honestly believe that they didn’t turn into exactly what their parents and relatives hoped they would?
        Extermination of evil is not a bad thing or do you think that Westerners should tolerate evil because we are so evolved?
        I know we can never get rid of them all but when they are in small numbers they tend to behave so let’s get rid of as many as we can through deportation and violence for the ones who choose to fight us.
        What methods do we use to get rid of Cancer? Islam like Cancer can be treated if caught early. Sadly western world is in second stage right now but we still have hope but only if we don’t make a mistake and think that our government can deprogram these killing machines when they were made that way.

        • DFD says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 11:10 am

          Peggy saysd: “…What methods do we use to get rid of Cancer? Islam like Cancer can be treated if caught early.”

          Hi Peggy,

          Cancer is often, and successfully, treated with radiation. Low dosage, room temperature. The difference with Islam is that it requires high dosages and extremely high temperatures. You know, those mushroom generating treatments.

          It wont cure it, see next paragraph, but it will reduce Islam to manageable levels. In conjunction with additional, lower intensity treatment, to be applied in Europe and the US. Also parts of Asia.

          Islam is uncurable, after all, how do you cure idiocy? But you can control the idiots, once you have established the regimen for this.

        • Fessitude says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 3:15 pm

          Yep. mortimer here actually agrees with attempts to “deradicalize” Muslims in order to solve the problem their Islam is causing the world. The long-time regular and veteran poster on Jihad Watch, mortimer, thus sides himself with the PC MC mainstream whom Robert Spencer regularly mocks and criticizes — and of course, Spencer’s loyal fans & followers agree with Spencer, and yet (other than JayBoo who recently seems to have strayed off the reservation), they rarely if ever take mortimer to task for his numerous egregious PC MC spasms he has made over the years.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 10:23 pm

          This is, of course, false – several regulars routinely query mortimer on his “deprogramming” suggestion. But I guess you only keeps tabs (and store posts and links) when they suit you…

      • Jay Boo says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 10:16 am

        Mortimer you are shameless
        Jaladhi did not say genocide.
        The dirty filthy disgusting pig of a Muslim is the one promoting genocide.
        Here is an idea, criticize the Muslim.
        Deprogram that.

        • Jay Boo says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 1:00 pm

          Mortimer brews a sanguine soup.
          While the word ‘sanguine’ may mean overly optimistic, its word origin comes from a (bloody) root.

          So too with Mortimer’s deprogramming school.

      • DFD says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 11:29 am

        mortimer says: “To Jaladhi: Certainly, deradicalization through deprogramming run by government intelligence in a professional way, but certainly not calls for genocide which are shameful and a contradiction of everything we Westerners stand for.”

        Mortimer, I am stunned. Whilst I agree that genocide is a contradiction of everything we are, your other comment leaves me speechless, amazed, to say the least.

        I quote again: “…deradicalization through deprogramming run by government intelligence in a professional way…”

        That sounds like Merkel or Obama. For starters they are rejecting all such attempts, actively or passively. If under compulsion they will comply, and respond with taqyia, kitman, duruna and muruna – as these two illustrate and prove.

        Whilst I understand your line of thinking, exemplifying Sir Thomas Moore’s famous rebuke: “If you deny the devil the protection of the law, who will then protect you from the devil?”

        We have, however, to consider the fact that we are at war with them for ~1,400 years, and not by our chosing. The aggression was, and is, theirs. They only refrained from their relentless assaults upon crushing defeat, or our resolve, backed by superior weapons technology and industry. And as said, and it cannot be overemphasized, our willingness to use that technology.

        I would urge you to think that through.
        Regards

        • Fessitude says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 3:17 pm

          Finally, like a drop of cool water in the desert of the Jihad Watch Mainstream!

        • Fessitude says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 3:31 pm

          P.S.: However, if DFD had been paying attention to mortimer over the years (and had noticed my many comments critiquing mortimer over the years) he wouldn’t have been as “stunned” to see this rather unsurprisingly asymptotic spasm from mortimer.

        • ECAW says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 3:36 pm

          Really disappointing to see you taking up exactly where you left off Fessitude, going out of your way to remake old enemies.

      • Jay Boo says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 1:29 pm

        Jaladhi
        “Instead of deradicalization eradication may work better!1”
        ———————————
        Mortimer condemns Jaladhi for this comment as a call for genocide.Yet to Muslims committing actual genocide he gets soft and mushy.

        Mortimer said,
        “To Jaladhi: Certainly, deradicalization through deprogramming run by government intelligence in a professional way, but certainly not calls for genocide which are shameful and a contradiction of everything we Westerners stand for.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 2:34 pm

        Mortimer, this article presents yet more evidence that “deradicalization” *does not work*. Can you point to a single such program that is run in such a “professional way” that it is actually in any way effective?

        And no, Jaladhi in talking about eradicating Jihad was not calling for the genocide of Muslims.

        This story is about a Muslim bombing a Sikh Temple while enrolled in an ineffective “deradicalization” program, *not* about phantom “genocide” of Muslims by civilized Infidels.

    • old white guy says

      Apr 30, 2016 at 8:49 am

      it may be the only way considering all muslims march to the same tune.

  2. Angemon says

    Apr 29, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    His accomplice has been participating in a special programme of the interior ministry for Salafists, who have a tendency to get involved in violence and are in danger of being drawn to IS and other terror organisations.

    Gee, I wonder what’s in salafism that makes salafits particularly vulnerable to get involved in violence? Could it be the ideology itself? If so, how does it differ from mainstream islam? Anyway, I’d love to see the guidelines for this “special programme” – I doubt it’s refuting salafist teachings on an ideological level.

    • DFD says

      Apr 30, 2016 at 11:36 am

      Angemon says: “… I doubt it’s refuting salafist teachings on an ideological level.”

      Well, if it were it would refute Islam and its teachings as such, no?

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 2:35 pm

        Absolutely.

      • Fessitude says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 3:47 pm

        “Salafist” is a term invented by the Western Mainstream in their ongoing attempts to try to reverse engineer the problem of Islam into a problem of Non-Islam (or, among the asymptotics of the Counter-Jihad, into a Problem of Islam that’s somehow not a problem of all Muslims). At some point a few years ago, “Salafist” became more fashionable (and it seemed more “expert”) to use than “Wahhabist”; though the tried and true “Islamist” and “extremist” (along with a whole gaggle of adjectives like “radical” and “ultra-conservative” (an amusing paradox their reverse engineering generates) and “militant” and “hard core” etc. etc.) — all trying to figure out ways to whittle the horrifying, catastrophic problem of All Muslims (in a global revival of the jihad that terrorized the West for a thousand years) down to something more manageable, and comforting.

        • Mazo says

          May 1, 2016 at 12:59 am

          Are you retarded?

          Salafism is used in Arabic (Salafiyya) describe a Sunni movement that does not adhere to the four main Sunni Madhahib but instead seeks to directly emulate the first three generations by bypassing any Madhhab.

          It is not a western invented term. Salafis don’t subscribe to a Madhhab. Salafis call themselves Salafi.

        • ECAW says

          May 1, 2016 at 3:15 am

          Of course there are scholars who consider Salafis a modern expression of the Zahiri madhhab.

          We all knew that didn’t we?

        • Jay Boo says

          May 1, 2016 at 1:36 am

          Huh?
          “Salafist” is a term invented by the Western Mainstream ”
          ———————————————————————————-

          Fessitude, I think you got caught in a daze with your toes dangling over the end of a long wobbly diving board while gazing at the hot blinding sun over an empty concrete pool of audacity.

          Get back to safer ground and sip on a cool drink of prudence in a shady spot and allow enough time for the pool to fill before considering diving in.

          Let’s not make it too easy for Mazo.

        • Fessitude says

          May 1, 2016 at 4:37 pm

          I knew someone would seize on my comment about “Salafism” — neglecting to note that I was referring to the “-ism” (and “-ist”), not to Salafi and Salafiyya. It’s the “-ism” that carries with it a baggage of connotations for the reverse engineering project of PC MC. Seeing as this Mazo character may be a Third Worlder himself, he might be unfamiliar with the various connotations the English “Ism” carries, often in the context of ideology and propaganda thereof.

          P.S.: I recall an amusing interview with a Saudi prince by the stolidly craggy (yet blithering idiot about Islam) Charlie Rose where, at one point, Charlie asked him about “Wahabbism” — and the prince, flashing his white teeth, slyly said “What is this ‘Wahhabism’ you speak of…? I don’t know what that is…” and Charlie of course dutifully complied and did not follow that up.

      • Angemon says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 4:23 pm

        Yup. Feel good notions of “what if it were you” or promises of success, fame and wealth won’t sway those who believe to be doing allah’s work and that Jew and Christians hate them and will do and say anything to stop them from doing allah’s work.

  3. Sam says

    Apr 29, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    “one was in deradicalization program”. DE radicalization from WHAT?

    • Peggy says

      Apr 30, 2016 at 4:54 am

      His family values which are still waiting for him when he completes the program.

  4. Wellington says

    Apr 29, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    I believe I mentioned this before at JW but here I put it forward again.

    Years ago when driving in New Jersey I needed fuel and so stopped at a gas station. New Jersey is one of only two states (the other is Oregon) that does not allow you to pump your own gas. Well, out came a man from the station to fuel my car. I immediately recognized him as a Sikh, what with his turban and beard et al. While filling the gas tank after my providing him a credit card, I asked him if he was a Sikh (though I knew he was) and he said yes. I then asked him if he was from the Punjab and he nodded affirmation to this too. Thereafter, I struck up a conversation with him about India, specifically about how Sikhs got along with Christians, though there aren’t that many in India, to which he said Sikhs had no problems with Christians and he volunteered how much his fellow Sikhs admired Mother Teresa. I then asked him about Hindus, to which he said again there was no problem with them. Ditto for the few Buddhists in India and other minor religious groups. I then asked him about Muslims. He paused for what seemed an interminable amount of time, though I’m sure it was just many seconds, and then he said, looking straight at me, “You Americans are beginning to find out what we Sikhs have known about Muslims for centuries.” He said this with both firmness and sadness in his voice.

    By that time, the gas tank was full. I thanked him, said good-bye and drove off. I will never forget the brief conversation I had with him for the rest of my life.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 30, 2016 at 3:54 am

      To Wellington: Thanks for sharing this life-changing exchange. The story reveals the truth that dare not be spoken: that Islam is intrinsically, not just violent, but genocidal as well.

      Mohammed’s divine command to fight (and kill…Arabic q-t-l) disbelievers until they conform to Islam is the very definition of religion-based genocide.

      Even Hitler was never as overt in his language about exterminating the ‘other’ as are the foundational, Islamic source texts. Though many of the jihad commands are euphemistic, the majority of them are very clearly talking about methods of extermination.

      • Peggy says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 4:56 am

        So what’s your solution? A DE Radicalization program?

      • old white guy says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 8:52 am

        I think you can drop the word euphemistic.

      • Jay Boo says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 1:11 pm

        To Wellington:
        Mortimer offered to you his Thanks.

        His (impressive) thank you would seem a bit more sincere and less self-serving, if he had not also offered it below to Charli Main just before Mortimer shamelessly hijacked and misrepresented what Charli obviously said in criticism of Mortimer’s deprogramming meme.

    • DFD says

      Apr 30, 2016 at 11:42 am

      Thank you Wellington for sharing this with us.

      Though, no surprise to me, doesn’t even raise an eyebrow – sadly so.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 30, 2016 at 2:41 pm

      Sad but spot on, Wellington.

      • Fessitude says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 3:49 pm

        When I see the Counter-Jihad Mainstream use the dreaded A word (“all Muslims”), I’ll know it has really learned the full horrifying lesson of that Sikh. Some day, perhaps…

  5. SpiritOf1683 says

    Apr 30, 2016 at 2:21 am

    How about life imprisonment for these teens and deportation for their families? Or is that too much like common sense? The Germans were only too eager to persecute and murder their law-abiding Jews 80 years ago, but now live in fear of the lawless savages they’ve let in since.

  6. Charli Main says

    Apr 30, 2016 at 2:57 am

    ” And yet again we see that these programs do not work, and will never work, because they are based on a politically correct denial of the ideological roots of the problem.”

    Hope all the supporters of “the answer to all our problems with Muslims, is to DE-PROGRAMME them” meme use Robert´s words as a screen saver on their computer.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 30, 2016 at 3:27 am

      Thanks to Charli for this: “the answer to all our problems with Muslims, is to DE-PROGRAMME them”

      The reason that is true is because you cannot ‘UNLEARN’ something that you know is true through studying it. Most Muslim youths are already radicalized by one another. They share books and videos about jihad and half of the youth attend mosque where there indoctrination into the death cult is solidified with prayers and sermons of hatred against Jews, Christians and other ‘dirty’ (najis) kufaar.

      To deprogram Muslims, means to destroy their belief in Islam through a rationalistic study of the textual and historical and archeological contradictions to Islam. The Koran and hadiths and Sira and self-referentially incoherent as well as non-historical: they came into being long after Mohammed was dead and cannot be authentic, but the products of Caliph Abd al Malik and his dastardly lieutenant Hajjaj. These men were so evil, they were well capable of founding a religion. Abd al Malik even ordered Hajjaj to smash the Kaaba in Petra where the primitive Islamic cult was centered.

      Young people must see all the evidence that has been hidden that there is an authorship problem with Islam: Abd al Malik is the factor that explains the sudden appearance of Islam during his vicious and brutal reign.

      • mortimer says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 3:32 am

        correction: “The Koran and hadiths and Sira are self-referentially incoherent”

        • Peggy says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 5:00 am

          How is this going to be conducted? Who will be forced to participate?
          Surely you don’t think that only who are showing signs of becoming radical would be enough. They are sneaky little buggers you know. They lie and pretend to be normal.
          Then once the program is finished how do you stop them from mixing with their community?
          This is definitely not going to be a voluntary thing and they won’t like us unbelievers telling them what their Koran is all about.
          They are very likely to bomb these places of enlightenment and anyone who goes there.
          You are probably thinking that it’s only a minority who are dangerous.

        • Jay Boo says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 10:21 am

          Mortimer.
          You are either
          1 so deliberately full of shit to take that sentence out of context
          2 or blind

          Charli Main is not – defending your deprogramming stupidity.
          — He is mocking it.

      • ECAW says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 4:52 am

        Mortimer – your faith in rational enquiry and logic when dealing with people who have been brainwashed from birth is truly astounding. I suspect that any Muslims still reachable by logic will have already found their way out of Islam by themselves.

        I seem to be developing a hobby horse like your de-programming and Fess/Voeg’s deportation myself. It is whether the Koran’s calls to jihad are to be taken contextually, and therefore had an expiry date, or were meant for all time. It seems to me that the magic bullet of any de-radicalistion programme would be to clearly show support for the former within the Islamic scriptures and tradition but I can find none, only support for the latter.

        Therefore I agree with the jihadis’ view of jihad. As an exercise, pretend I am a jihadi. Your attempt to prove that Islam is nonsense hasn’t worked because after a proper Islamic upbringing facts bounce off me like ping pong balls off a Sherman tank. How are you going to convince me that I have misunderstood the call to jihad, or would you not try because you also see it as timeless?

        • Peggy says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 5:03 am

          The only way it would have any chance of working would be if children are taken away from parents from birth. Then the future generation might have some chance.
          Once they reach 10 it’s already too late.

        • Jay Boo says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 10:27 am

          ECAW
          When you mention Fess/Voeg it reminds me how much Mortimer has in common with such.

        • DFD says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 11:50 am

          ECAW says: “…because after a proper Islamic upbringing facts bounce off me like ping pong balls off a Sherman tank…”

          Yeah, that’s why I am thinking along the lines of Leopards and Abrams – they have those 120mm ping pong balls. These are not known to bounce…

      • Jay Boo says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 10:40 am

        Mortimer said
        “To deprogram Muslims, means to destroy their belief in Islam through a rationalistic study of the textual and historical and archeological contradictions to Islam.”

        Yet Mortimer consistently and hypocritically does just the opposite.

        Yes, he tells us Islam is bad but …
        He passionately waxes poetic about the glory of Muslims and he flaunts Islamic texts and then goes on to stroke upon his orgasmic use of “dirty kafir” (all while in first person voice).
        That kind of behavior was condemned at Nuremberg.

        • ECAW says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 11:13 am

          Jay Boo – FWIW I think you have Mortimer all wrong. He seems to me to be 100% genuinely fighting the good fight against Islam. When he talks about the glory of Muslims I think he is being ironic and that he is not flaunting Islamic texts but sharing his erudition for the benefit of all.

          OK, so he sees this de-programming thing differently than I do…but no one’s perfect.

        • DFD says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 11:57 am

          ECAW says: “Jay Boo – FWIW I think you have Mortimer all wrong. He seems to me to be 100% genuinely fighting the good fight against Islam. When he talks about the glory of Muslims I think he is being ironic and that he is not flaunting Islamic texts but sharing his erudition for the benefit of all.

          I agree, Mortimer is definitely no friend of Islam, on the contrary.

          ECAW says further: “…but no one’s perfect.”

          True, I’m sure, it’ll surprise many of you, but even I make mistakes.

          Salute!

        • Jay Boo says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 1:20 pm

          I am not claiming that Mortimer never offers constructive criticism of Islam.
          However, he repeatedly vacillates between criticism of Islam and his (presumably begrudging) admiration of Muslims and their anti kufir dogma.

          I believe that he is basking in a false image of himself as if he were a former Muslim.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 4:30 pm

          Jay Boo wrote:

          Yet Mortimer consistently and hypocritically does just the opposite.

          Yes, he tells us Islam is bad but …
          He passionately waxes poetic about the glory of Muslims and he flaunts Islamic texts and then goes on to stroke upon his orgasmic use of “dirty kafir” (all while in first person voice).
          That kind of behavior was condemned at Nuremberg.
          …………………………..

          With respect, Jay Boo, like ECAW and DFD, I think you are misreading Mortimer.

          When he talks about Islam and the Infidels, he is being sarcastic. I have never seen him actually praising Islam at all.

          And to imply he is like an admirer of the Nazis is, I believe, way off base. I have never seen him speak admiringly of Islam.

          I have been quite critical of his “deprogramming” scheme, because I do not think it has any chance of working. But I think he is quite sincere in believing that it is our best chance at defanging Islam.

          He is also, to my mind, often far too quick to assume that other Anti-Jihadists are advocating genocide of Muslims. While I think this is inaccurate and almost always unfair, I think it stems from the praiseworthy concern that we defend our civilized values.

          I think Mortimer actually has a lot to offer here–his scholarship is often very good, and his heart is very much in the right place.

          I just disagree with him on effective tactics–something we are all wrestling with.

          And Jay Boo, I always look for your comments. Hope you are well.

        • Jay Boo says

          Apr 30, 2016 at 7:20 pm

          I am not implying that Mortimer is a Nazi at all.
          Therefore I am not way off base.
          I am mocking (his) repeated use of that expression to others.
          It is called sarcasm — as opposed to what Mortimer regurgitates.
          If you wish to find any fault there GI, then in fairness you should not overlook his repeated use of Nazi innuendo and mention of Nuremberg on many, many occasions .
          He just accused Jaladhi of promoting genocide on this very thread of which you rightly corrected him.

          While his deprogramming meme is merely laughable and open to a lively debate his use of first person point of view when talking about dirty kasirs is more insidious and I fully intend to continue to float that scummy narrative up to the surface up in plain sight regardless of his supposed good intentions.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 30, 2016 at 4:11 pm

        Charli Main wrote:

        ”And yet again we see that these programs do not work, and will never work, because they are based on a politically correct denial of the ideological roots of the problem.”

        Hope all the supporters of “the answer to all our problems with Muslims, is to DE-PROGRAMME them” meme use Robert´s words as a screen saver on their computer.

        Mortimer wrote:

        Thanks to Charli for this: “the answer to all our problems with Muslims, is to DE-PROGRAMME them”
        ………………………..

        You’re an intelligent guy, Mortimer–there is no way you can think that Charli was *actually recommending* “deprogramming” programs when he wrote the above.

        More:

        The reason that is true is because you cannot ‘UNLEARN’ something that you know is true through studying it. Most Muslim youths are already radicalized by one another. They share books and videos about jihad and half of the youth attend mosque where there indoctrination into the death cult is solidified with prayers and sermons of hatred against Jews, Christians and other ‘dirty’ (najis) kufaar.

        To deprogram Muslims, means to destroy their belief in Islam through a rationalistic study of the textual and historical and archeological contradictions to Islam… The Koran and hadiths and Sira and self-referentially incoherent as well as non-historical: they came into being long after Mohammed was dead and cannot be authentic…
        ………………………..

        As I have often noted with regard to this, devout Muslims have no respect for the “filthy Infidel”–why would they listen to anything we have to say, especially as regards their violent, supremacist creed?

        As I have also noted, Islam rejects reason–so appealing to Muslims’ sense of rationality is not apt to work in many cases.

        Some few individual Muslim apostates *have* come to reject Islam due to its irrationality or savagery, but not generally at the behest of the Kuffar.

        More:

        …but the products of Caliph Abd al Malik and his dastardly lieutenant Hajjaj. These men were so evil, they were well capable of founding a religion. Abd al Malik even ordered Hajjaj to smash the Kaaba in Petra where the primitive Islamic cult was centered.

        Young people must see all the evidence that has been hidden that there is an authorship problem with Islam: Abd al Malik is the factor that explains the sudden appearance of Islam during his vicious and brutal reign.
        ………………………..

        This is certainly possible–there is no doubt that Caliph Abd al Malik did much to consolidate Islam politically and administratively. But his having created Islam out of whole cloth is hardly universally accepted by Infidel scholars–it would be damn difficult to sell to pious Muslims, who do not just believe that Islam dates to the “prophethood” of Muhammed, but back to Adam.

        Moreover, as I have also noted, Islam has *never* been constrained by deprogramming Muslims.

        Historically, the only thing that has worked is isolating Islam and never appeasing Jihad.

        • DFD says

          May 1, 2016 at 6:23 am

          Hi Gravenimage,

          in your post of April 30, 2016 at 4:30 pm you wrote that I am misreading mortimer. To quote:

          “….he is being sarcastic. I have never seen him actually praising Islam at all. And to imply he is like an admirer of the Nazis is, I believe, way off base…” unquote.

          Please I never said anything, nor implied anything like that at all. Since the above stated seems to imply some hostility on my behalf towards Mortimer, I am a bit worried that you actually think of me that way.

          So as to rectify this, may I urge you to read two of my replies to Mortimer, these will indeed show my views and respect for Mortimer, and so, hopefully, clarify matters.

          Please go to:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/germany-muslim-teens-admit-bombing-sikh-temple-one-was-in-deradicalization-program/comment-page-1#comment-1426788 ( April 30, 2016 at 11:29 am )

          and

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/jesuit-astrophysicist-manuel-carreia-islam-is-the-worst-plague-that-humanity-has-seen-in-the-past-2000-years/comment-page-1#comment-1425023 ( April 7, 2016 at 2:27 pm)

          Regards & thank you

  7. Ammianus says

    Apr 30, 2016 at 7:56 am

    Enmity between Sikhs and Muslims is well known in India. It is not a surprise that the conflict follows their respective migrations. This report does bring to mind something else. How many of the “hate crimes” against Sikhs one hears about in the U.S. are really caused by Muslims?

    • DFD says

      May 1, 2016 at 10:37 am

      Probably all. OK, OK, 99.99%

  8. OP says

    Apr 30, 2016 at 11:15 am

    May we conclude the deradicalization program didn’t take?

  9. WorkingClassPost says

    Apr 30, 2016 at 11:21 am

    Peggy said: “Once they reach 10 it’s already too late.” it’s true, and one can’t help feeling for little Aisha.

  10. steve says

    Apr 30, 2016 at 11:36 am

    De-radicalisation expensive, bullet cheaper and more cost effective…..

  11. Hari Singh says

    Apr 30, 2016 at 12:12 pm

    Just before 9/11 Al -Qaeda issued an Islamic legal ruling or fatwa saying it was permissible to kill Sikhs as enemies of a Islam.
    This was in keeping with the understanding of nearly all Muslim religious jurists and the policy of nearly all of the Mughal Emperors. This resulted in the murder of three of the Sikh Gurus, the Tenth Gurus four sons and mother and countless Sikhs murdered according to traditional understanding of shariat.
    The fatwa stated that the Sikhs have promulgated a religion after revelation ended with the prophet Muhammad and fought for freedom of religion in opposition to Muslim state practice.
    This ruling resulted in nearly all Sikhs being either driven out of Pakistan in 1947 or their murder or forced conversation. Nearly 500,000 Sikhs and Hindus were killed in the partition jihad. As Sikhs were highly visible they were the lionshare of those murdered. Four years ago in a community of Sikhs in West Pakistan three Sikhs were decapitated for refusing to “accept Islam”.
    Something’s never change.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 30, 2016 at 4:41 pm

      Yes–Muslims have been violently targeting Sikhs for centuries.

      “Afghan Sikhs: One of the world’s most persecuted minorities”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/afghan-sikhs-one-of-the-worlds-most-persecuted-minorities

      Then there’s this:

      “Highest Sikh authority expresses concern about Muslims wooing Sikh girls to use them in ‘jihadi efforts’”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/01/highest-sikh-authority-expresses-concern-about-muslims-wooing-sikh-girls-to-use-them-in-jihadi-efforts

      And now violent Muslims have brought their targeting of Sikhs to the West–just as they always bring their violence with them.

  12. Guest says

    Apr 30, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    The only way to keep those with the desire to murder in line is to keep a gun to their head. It may sound harsh but there are two types of people: those who obey our laws out of respect, and those who will only obey our laws out of fear for their life. We can’t be soft.

  13. siesmann says

    May 1, 2016 at 12:34 am

    A Muslim is a quintessential misfit anywhere in the world.Can’t live with any person following a different faith.

  14. Politicallyincorrectistruth says

    May 1, 2016 at 7:11 am

    I feel a deradicalizationphobia coming on. Should assimilate nicely with my justifiable islamaphobia, hackedtodeathphobia, femalegenitalmutilationphobia, pedophilephobia, wifebeaterphobia, politicallycorrectphobia and justabouteverythingislamstandsforphobia.

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