They have to keep telling us, because this is so obviously false, it can only be put across by constant repetition.
“We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 3:151)
“When your Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast terror into the unbelievers’ hearts; so strike above the necks, and strike every finger of them!” (Qur’an 8:12)
“Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror thereby into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.” (Qur’an 8:60)
“Then, when the sacred months are over, kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.” (Qur’an 9:5)
“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” (Qur’an 9:29)
“Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.” (Qur’an 9:111)
“Islam has nothing to do with terrorism: Imam of Kaba,” IANS, April 2, 2016:
The Imam of Islam’s holiest shrine Kaba in Mecca in Saudi Arabia on Saturday denounced terrorism in the name of Islam, making it clear that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism.
“Holy book Quran and Hadish – saying of Prophet Mohammad are against violence and terror. Islam has nothing to do with terrorism or terror acts,” said Sheikh Saleh Bin Muhammad Bin Ibrahim Aal Talib at a crowded press conference at a posh hotel here amid tight security.
He said violence has no place in Islam. “Islam is what Quran and Prophet Mohammad stand for, it is not what terrorists or terror outfits claim.”
Without naming terror activities by the Islamic State (IS), Al Qaeda and other terror organisations, Sheikh Saleh said Islam is against the killing of innocent people and creating terror.
“These days some terror outfits have been killing innocent people and using suicide bombers to kill people are wrong and have nothing to do with teaching and preaching of Islam,” he said.
Sheikh Saleh said that killing of innocent people and use of suicide bombers to kill people are ‘haram’ in Islam. “What happened in Brussels and other places, where innocent people were killed, Islam has nothing to do with it.”
Stressing on the need for peace and harmony across the World, he said: “Muslims are the main victim of terrorism. Large number of Muslims in Muslim countries have been killed.”
Sheikh Saleh said Islam is a religion that guarantees security of life of the people. “Islam stands to protect five things including human life,irrespective of regions and religions across the World.”
He said that the name of God means peace, safety and security. But some people are trying to defame Islam. “Even there is no force permissible in Islam in the matter of religion. There are no words to use force to convert people to Islam.”
Sheikh Saleh said that Saudi Arabia is working to end terrorism is accepted by western countries also. The country is facing terrorism for the last 20 years. “Terrorism has harmed Saudi Arabia.”
Earlier, Sheikh Saleh addressed a gathering of people, mostly Muslims, on ‘Islam and World Peace’.
He was slated to visit Patna on Friday but his visit was postponed after as he was denied a visa by the Indian embassy in Saudi Arabia.

jihad3tracker says
David Wood made a video a couple of years ago showing him “inside” that monument to death — go to www [.] answeringmuslims [.] com to find it by searching relevant words.
I have not seen it in quite a while, but if my ancient memory is correct, David includes history and FACTS that imams definitely prefer their fellow Muslims remain ignorant about.
jihad3tracker says
HERE IS A LINK TO THAT VIDEO —
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/06/isis-vows-to-conquer-mecca-and-destroy.html
It runs 11:38 — David pops up at about 40 seconds after the beginning. If you could really use some chuckles after another relentless week of Muslim pathology, sit in a comfy chair, open a refreshing beverage (adult brews encouraged) and enjoy one of my favorite counter-jihadist Islam experts in great form & very funny.
Keys says
Thanks, J3T.
I watched it without the beverage, but was still impressed.
I hope abbas watches it, and comments.
jihad3tracker says
Hello Keys — Thank you for prompting me into viewing the complete video, after 2 years of not seeing it, because unintentionally I did not give a fully accurate fair description. Humor during the first part, yes.
The 2nd half of it is a witnessing by him of the God of Christianity, and its message of salvation, an plea for Muslims to understand the mistake of their confidence in what the deeply flawed Muhammad has misled them into believing.
Champ says
Imam of Kaaba: Quran & Muhammad “against violence and terror. Islam has nothing to do with terrorism or terror acts”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What rot.
“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”
― Adolf Hitler
Shane says
The problem is that most liberals do repeat this same lie mostly out of ignorance and many other ignorant Westerners believe this. Islam is a religion of jihad and misogyny and we have got to make the Western world aware to that fact. Spread the word!
The Truth About Muhammad, Robert Spencer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKWf7iX6ru0
The Truth About Muhammad, Interview with Robert Spencer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtrtxW_64PU
Robert Spencer The Politically Incorrect Guide To Islam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI0Iu1tpebs
Sherif says
Satan is the great deceiver, which is the same description of Allah in the Quran. Mohammad and these Imams are simply his agents. What do you expect from them except deceit? Islam is evil to the core!
John Spielman says
More lies from the father of lies allah / Satan and this mohammedan doofus is simply lying as his master allah Satan instructs him to do to unbelievers. According to Islam, violence against unbelievers is a ” holy” act that gets him closer to his goal- Allan’s dunked bordello in the sky
Jay Boo says
Muslims claim that they do not worship Satan.
Regardless, Muslims certainly do serve Satan’s agenda.
John Spielman says
the muslim is deceived by Satan, as allah is Satan as confirmed by the apostle Paul when he stated that Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light – just like what happened to muhammed when received a ” gospel”( that was different than the one that Paul and the others apostles received from Jesus) from Satan in the guise of Gabriel an angel of God
Champ says
Very true, John.
Wellington says
Just wondering here, JS. When you assert that “the muslims are deceived by Satan,” how do you expect Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, agnostics, atheists, et al., who do not see things from a Christian point of view but who are yet in accord with you about the malevolence which is Islam, to react to such a comment?
You see, just as non-religious folks and those other than Christians should not push their agenda (which is different from raising honest questions about a particular belief system) when combatting the iniquity which is Islam, and which is a threat to us all, so should Christians, I would contend, be wary of taking on Islam principally or solely from a Christian perspective. Not a wise or winning strategy I would argue since the broadest coalition against the evil which is the totalitarian ideology that is Islam is optimal.
Jay Boo says
JS
I tend to agree with wellington — up to a point.
To say that (“allah is Satan as confirmed by the apostle Paul “) is a bit much and I am surprised that Wells did not focus in on that and the general tone of proselytizing rather than taking a more broadside criticism of the use of the word Satan. where wellington writes— (“the muslims are deceived by Satan,”) as the thing he takes at issue.
However if Wellington wishes call the mention of the word Satan as Christians pushing their agenda, that would be a bit much as well.
Muslims certainly do serve Satan’s agenda even though they say the same about us.
In closing please let me say:
Beware of Islam’s Serpent of Satan.
Oops I used the word Satan when describing Muhammad’s satanic verse ideology.
Oops I said satanic.
That devilish word must be off limits also.
Pkm says
We Hindus too belive Mohammad was a incarnation of a asura(demon) named tripurasura.this is confirmed by the fact that Muslims most holy day is Friday which in Hindi is shukravar.shukra is the planet Saturn and is thought to be associated with shukra, who was the guru of the demons
mortimer says
Wellington is a gentleman of great erudition and probity. Anyone who disagrees with him is likely not on solid ground or may be a distracted person.
The existence of ‘satan’ or ‘shaitan’ or ‘Satan’ is in dispute among counterjihadists in this forum, whereas the need to save ourselves from totalitarian Islam is not in dispute here. We need to work together as a team to find the solution. There is no need whatever to throw the word ‘satan’ at every idea that we don’t personally approve. It is even somewhat moronic to do it, since it shows a lack of understanding of philosophical categories. I might as well use x-rated expletives which some have done in this forum to describe Islam.
Such impoverished means of expression merely show the limited mentalities of the authors and their inabilities to conceptualize.
Ascribing someone else’s argument to ‘satan’ is actually no more than saying ‘I dislike ‘x’.” And that isn’t a particularly smart argument.
It would be helpful if you write WHY do you not approve? Give us an actual UNIVERSAL argument that will appeal to all people UNIVERSALLY. Narrowness of thought is not useful when dealing with a GLOBAL THREAT like theocratic, fascist, totalitarian Islam.
My exhortations are likely lost on some of the posters in the forum due to reasons I just suggested. One hopes they will grow up and grow some erudition to support their views or temper their sophomoric rashness.
Jay Boo says
Islam is demonic.
Oops another word off limits.
So no one is allowed to disagree with Wellington because mortimer says so. Might this be because Wellington offered Mortimer a little flattery.
This forbidding of the use of certain words is coming from the same smarmy commenter who routinely and gleefully uses the words ‘dirty kafir’ as if speaking from a (first person) point of view.
If mortimer actually read what I wrote he would see that I agree with Wellington’s perspective up to a point and that he had a valid criticism except that rather than focus on what was easily wrong in particular with John Spielman’s comment he took a wide angle scatter shot approach.
Jay Boo says
Another thing
What a damn hypocrite you are.
You begin your circuitous rant by attacking my credibility in the very first paragraph rather than stating your position.
Then your have the nerve to use a STRAWMAN and suggest that I am “Ascribing someone else’s argument to ‘satan’ ” which has nothing to do with my difference of opinion with Wellington.
I use colorful language but I never use x-rated expletives here or anywhere else so I have no idea who you are referring to when you write “which some have done in this forum to describe Islam. ”
Your last paragraph is more of the same dishonest attempt to attack my credibility as the first paragraph and is merely to distract from the gross lack of substance in your argument.
Mark Swan says
John Spielman is entitled to His opinion and choice of words And just as Jay Boo
points out with whit Satan is a viable word.
It has been tried many times to belittle others with the verbose approach…we all humor it…could we please have the same curtsey…Unless We have something useful to add just let everyone do their own commenting.
Regardless of the absurdity of some comments I appreciate the freedom there.
A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular. ~ Adlai Stevenson
Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves. ~ Carl Jung
I never met a man so stupid I could not learn something from him. ~ Galileo Galilei
For myself, I am an optimist — it does not seem to be much use being anything else. ~ Winston Churchill
I have never let my schooling get in the way of my education. ~ Mark Twain
Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education. ~ Bertrand Russell
Demsci says
Wellington: //”since the broadest coalition against the evil which is the totalitarian ideology that is Islam is optimal.”//
Mortimer: //”Give us an actual UNIVERSAL argument that will appeal to all people UNIVERSALLY.”//
YES! So wise! Although I would already be extremely happy with a working coalition able to work with a 51 % majority in parliament.
But the other day I read what Scott Walker said when he endorsed Ted Cruz. He said that he wanted to name the person he was FOR and not the person he was against (I suppose he meant the Donald). And that that was how the people of Wisconsin liked it; to say who and what they were FOR, not only to say what they were AGAINST.
And I humbly propose for us Democratic Western Citizens at least to be not just ABI; Anything But Islam. Wellington and Mortimer’s request could also be construed as: Formulate well and give us something that we find BETTER THAN ISLAM, from the smallest aspect to the broadest outlines, like the design of political systems.
And we do know that Islam carries the extreme risk of our countries descending into totalitarian states like in all or almost every country where Muslims are in majority.
So first and foremost I suppose the binding goal for an anti-Islam-coalition is to promote and defend the full Democratic system with it’s 5 pillars, all it’s accompanying values, main laws, tenets perhaps, human rights, golden rule.
One tricky exception; Our tolerance-principle should be practiced to all fellow-democratic-minded people, but should not be extended to any Intolerant totalitarians!
Mark Swan says
Thank You Demsci What a Whit…You Know How to Use The Light Touch…Excellent.
john sspielman says
well; according to Biblical prophecy from the very mouth of Jesus in the book of Revelation, the antichrist who is the anointed of Satan, will overcome the world until destroyed by the glory of Jesus the Christ when He returns. the antichrist of Satan is identical to the “mahdi” of Shia islam. Also the attributes of allah are those of Satan for Satan has been a deceiver murder thief liar from the beginning.
as far Hindus agnostics etc, infact, all of us will someday stand before the creator of the universe to be judged and it will be clear then who sits on the judgement seat. muhammed or ? or Jesus the Christ the only son of God . who does one believe muhammed or ? or the apostles John Paul Matthew Peter; I prefer the latter group with my soul’s future
Demsci says
Thanks Mark SWAN, maybe we are birds of a feather (the same feather)!
And I enjoyed your quotes, especially that of Adlai Stephenson.
Mark Swan says
john sspielman…This One’s for You.
THE BIG “S” WORD
The United States of America seems to be coming apart. Even if you live in Britain, Canada, Australia or elsewhere, this fact is becoming increasingly evident around the world. Various international newspapers and magazines report on it. People are sincerely puzzled as to how and why this is happening.
If you were the “prince of the power of the air,” how would you destroy nations that had once professed allegiance to God? Would your plan look like what is happening in the United States and British-descended nations today? “What Would the Devil Do?” How would he bring about the decline and fall of nations that had once been greatly blessed by God?
The inspired word of God makes it very clear that Satan the Devil is the actual “god” of this age—of this present human society. If you really believe the Bible and study it diligently, you surely understand this.
The Apostle Paul described typical, carnal people, “whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them” (2 Corinthians 4:4). Later, the Apostle Paul described how such people walk “according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience” (Ephesians 2:2).
So, Satan is the one who actually controls many of the thoughts and impulses that beset human beings. Indirectly, Satan controls the media in most situations. For he is the invisible “prince of the power of the air.” In the book of Revelation, the Apostle John was inspired to describe Satan as “that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9).
Many writers and authorities have described the United States as the “last great bastion” of freedom and Christianity.
Would Satan set out to destroy the nation that has—in the past—based many of its laws and customs upon the Bible, has promoted nominal Christianity all over the world, and put on its currency, “In God We Trust”?
Hundreds of articles and even entire books could be cited to show how so much of the modern media has been and is being used to undermine the concepts of patriotism, true religion, the family—and almost every aspect of a decent life! Remember, God’s word calls Satan “the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience” (Ephesians 2:2).
For Satan is, indeed, in control of this earth’s atmosphere, and he certainly uses the “airwaves” (as we used to call radio broadcasting, and now television) to infiltrate people’s minds continually with anti-God, anti-Christ, anti-Bible concepts. Most of us have not realized how cleverly this is being done, for it has been a gradual process creeping up on us.
It is like the example of the frog in the pot, which is heated up so slowly that it does not jump out in time! My friends, we are that frog! We are letting our minds be “programmed” by the modern media to slowly yet surely turn against the God of the Bible, against His laws and way of life, against the true understanding of the family itself, against genuine patriotism—indeed, against everything that made our nations great in the first place!
Is this just alarmist talk on my part? No! Consider the example of National Public Radio. As most of you know, NPR has received partial government sponsorship, and is supposed to be a “mainstream” vehicle to disseminate news and information to the American people. Yet, in May 2009, the NPR Board changed the wording of its media policy to state: “NPR Member Stations shall provide only [emphasis added] nonsectarian, non-political, noncommercial educational content on all broadcast channel(s) and related media distribution platforms such as member partners that use the NPR member brands.”
That means NPR stations carrying religious programming were to stop such programming as of May 1.
What about other public outlets? The Station Services Committee of the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS)—another federally funded media outlet—wrote that it “places a high value on presenting diverse perspectives, as opposed to rigidly adhering to any single political or religious point of view” and that even allowing a few different religious views to be aired would privilege some over others and “would cause the public’s trust in PBS to erode, along with the value of the brand.” Since this change was instituted, many religious programs featured on member stations have been “axed”! Slowly but surely, Satan is removing all reference to the God of the Bible, unless God is portrayed in a worldly and usually an outright negative manner. The great nation of America—which formerly called itself a “Christian” nation—has turned its back on its
God in stubborn, willful disobedience. Meanwhile, Americans are letting the “heathen” flourish in their various expressions of religion and philosophy, even while they often persecute any genuine Christians.
The U.S. was a blessed nation. Americans held their heads high. People were eager to back their leaders, to keep the nation strong and unified. During World War II, and for years afterward, news broadcasters on national radio and later television nearly always sounded a loyal theme. They did not always agree with everything that was done, but you could sense that they were all for America.
Americans have been able to sing about the “land of the free and home of the brave.” It should help you profoundly understand why the song “God Bless America” talks about the nation extending “from sea to shining sea.” Truly, the Americans and all the British-descended peoples should be very thankful to the great God who gave all these blessings—and the peoples of these once-great nations should humbly repent of all selfishness and rebellion and turn back to the true God with all of their hearts!
Satan is doing a masterful job of confusing the ministers, intellectual leaders and educators of our nation about true religion. He can very cleverly make morality seem passé. He can make the clear distinction between right and wrong seem very “fuzzy” so that morality and deep respect for law and authority are slowly obliterated. Satan is making true religion seem “out of date” and even obsolete to our peoples!
Hundreds of articles and books have come out in the last few years attacking God and the Bible! More and more, our political and even religious leaders are edging away from a clear description of faith in a personal God—especially a God who sets forth laws and a way of life. If there is any mention of “God” at all, it is of a vague concept, far from the true God of the Bible.
We can see this very clearly. Remember how, when America was attacked at Pearl Harbor back in 1941, President Franklin Roosevelt concluded his impassioned speech to the Congress of the United States by stating, “We shall gain the inevitable triumph, so help us God!” The idea of a real God was much more prevalent at that time, and was instilled in the moral fabric of the entire nation—through schools, families and other community institutions. All of that is quickly disappearing.
When World War II began, even those who disliked President Franklin Delano Roosevelt came together in a powerful sense of unity. For he was our President and we knew we had to hang together, love our nation and pray to God that He would deliver us from this terrible threat posed by the Axis powers.
Today, America’s political leaders—and many leading educators and figures in the media—tend to “waffle” here and there about anything patriotic. President Barack Obama has even been apologizing—over and over—for what America has done in the past! America’s leaders appear to be ashamed of the great blessings that God has given their nation, and of the victories that He gave in World War I, World War II and through many other terrible trials. Many Americans have lost their national sense of purpose, their deep patriotism—and their deep respect for the God who made all of this possible
Red Bee says
Sheikh Saleh should read the Koran.
mortimer says
The Sheikh has memorized the Koran.
maghan says
The Qur’an is for Dummies(pun intended). But more than that, those who take it seriously can be extremely dangerous and suicidal.
Keith says
He must be reading one of those special koran’s that are published especially for the weak minded liberal left westerners. Or more correctly called western apologists for Islam.
Emmett Veritas says
One day late. Should have been posted April 01.
Walter Sieruk says
That imam saying that “Islam has nothing to do with terrorism or terror acts.” Actually means one of two things. First,what he said may show that the is in strong religious denial about the actual violence and deadly essence of Islam. In other words he has his religious blinders on and refuses to wake up to the hard and harsh the reality about the real nature of Islam Second, in the more likely case, this imam in using deception to maintain “damage control” of the image of his religion. So he make that blatantly false statement to hide, as in to cove- up the truth about Islam. Such a deliberate and deceptive smokescreen may fool some naive and gullible people, Nevertheless, the Koran is the foundation of and for Islam and this “holy book” of Islam does indeed teach the use of violence and killing As seen in just examples of the Koran in 4:89. 5:33. 9,5,111,123. 47:4.
balam says
The deceitful Sheikh is quite right,just as PORK has nothing to do with the PIG.Sadly,the Muslims might have a few qualities but HONESTY is certainly not one of them. Islam is the biggest LIE AND DECEIT.
TheDane says
No! Of course not! We knew that same as we knew that Hitler had nothing whatsoever to do with WWII!! The almost 29,000 terror attacks that have been carried out since 9/11 are all done by green men from Mars!
The moslem liars – I sometimes wonder if they have become so used to lying and deceiving that they no longer know, when they are telling a lie..? Moslems are SICK!
linnte says
Even the muckie ups lie! And the people BELIEVE it? When their book says the OPPOSITE? Surely this is the definition of insanity.
Jay Boo says
Muhammad, quit this practical JOKE about receiving revelations.
Ha, Ha, Ha. But Abu Bakr don’t you see they are still falling for it.
It is April 2 Muhammad, — give it a rest.
Wellington says
Blah, blah, blah.
Lucretius says
I suspect he is simply engaging in kitman where words like innocent, terror, violence, no force in religion, have one meaning for him and another for us. He can’t be unaware of the study presented at the Second Forum for National Dialogue, held in Saudi Arabia in late December 2003 which found that the Kingdom’s religious studies curriculum “encourages violence toward others, and misguides the pupils into believing that in order to safeguard their own religion, they must violently repress and even physically eliminate the ‘other.’” How did such misunderstanding ever creep into the standard teaching of their young? Was it the JOOOOOOOOS???
https://freedomhouse.org/report/special-reports/saudi-arabias-curriculum-intolerance
dumbledoresarmy says
Yep.
That’s the way *I* read it.
He’s using the special Islamspeak dictionary.
Here’s a good article from 2007 that offers a ‘way in’ to understanding how Islamic doublespeak works. George Orwell’s newspeak engineers in ‘1984’ weren’t even *close* to what the average slippery mohammedan spokesperson is able to achieve.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels.html
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels
An illuminating new piece from the European essayist Wolfgang Bruno:
To get a bit more of an idea of just how bizarre Mohammedan double-think and Islamspeak are, here’s a classic quote from Osama Bin Laden, as translated from the Arabic by Coptic-American scholar Raymond Ibrahim.
“Battle, animosity, and hatred—directed from the Muslim to the infidel—is the foundation of our religion. And we consider this a justice and kindness to them” (The Al Qaeda Reader, pgs. 42-43).
See that? – battle, animosity and hatred toward Infidels = ‘justice’ and ‘kindness’.
Also, let’s just reflect on the fact that in Saudi Arabia *atheists* are deemed to be *terrorists*.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/saudi-arabia-declares-atheists-terrorists-sets-20-years-prison-for-criticism-of-islam
Saudi Arabia declares atheists terrorists, sets 20 years prison for criticism of Islam
mortimer says
dumbledoresarmy wrote: “He’s using the special Islamspeak dictionary.”
Disagree. Clerics in KSA are civil servants under orders from the King.
The King gave this man an order to deny Islamic teachings and the King of KSA is dumb enough to think Western people will fall for it, because they have always fallen for it in the past.
NEWS TO THE SAUDI KING: the West is awakening and reading the foundational source texts of Islam. We cannot be tricked in this way anymore.
The jig’s up, Your Majesty. Stop using that old play.
Jaladhi says
Do Muslims know difference between truth and lies – I think not. Again and again these people crawl out of the woodwork and prove the old adage – a Muslim can never tell the trurh, he is a confirmed liar!
خَليفة says
So very true.
When a Muslim engages in taqiyya to deceive someone by saying one thing knowing the other person will take it to mean something else, they do not see it, or recognize that it is a purposeful lie. e.g. Mamood asks Andul if he can borrow some money, Abdul has five $20 bills in is pocket, but says “Mamood, I don’t have $5 to lend you.” Abdul, being a Muslim, does not think he lied or was deceptive because there is the literal truth that he does not have a $5 bill.
If Abdul had been a Christian he would know he is telling a lie, and if he was a Catholic when he goes to confession he will mention this lie and make penance for it..
balam says
AMEN TO THAT!!!! WHAT ABOUT DURING HAJJ?
mortimer says
Hajjaj smashed the Kaaba and Black Stone with catapults, but they put it back together. Then a warring tribe burnt down the Kaaba and the stone cracked into small pieces. They put them back together again.
Muslims failed to understand that Allah failed to defend his Kaaba many, many times. They failed to understand that Mohammed was poisoned by his closes ‘friends’.
Muslims can’t join the dots.
John says
Well, if he says so it must be true. I guess all those 100+ Suras that command Muslims to kill infidels, hunt down the infidels, destroy the infidels, etc., must be in some counterfeit Quoran
Len Vaness says
Those of you who know Arabic…I know this is a bit far-fetched, but does the word ‘Allah’, in any form, bear the numbers 666?
tilda says
Walid Shoebat says that it does. See this short video (about 6 minutes) on youtube in which he explains.
Mark Swan says
The number 666 is “…contained in the Greek letters of Lateinos (L=30; A=1; T=300; E=5; I=10; N=50; O=70; S=200)” . Lateinos is a Greek term referring to the Romans. Interestingly, the Greek expression meaning “the Latin kingdom” (h Latine Basileia) also has a numeric value of 666. Greek writers commonly referred to the Roman Empire in this way. The book of Revelation was originally written in Greek.
dajjal says
Google Allah 666. Serps will return graphic representations along with articles and a video detailing the answer to your question.
https://youtu.be/XxIsnt45_ls
Mark Swan says
The number just shows where the beast power is to come from…It Is Not The Mark Of The
Beast…The mark is something else connected with this power.
The Book of Revelation is Understandable…but not with speculations.
Voytek Gagalka says
Maybe he is talking about yet another “Muhammad,” his neighbor, not the one which we know from Qur’an and Sunna? “Islam is against the killing of innocent people.” But of course, we have no problem with that. The only problem is with definition whom Islam considers as “innocent” to be protected from any harm (terrorism). You see, all non-believers (including hypocrites and apostates) are explicitly EXCLUDED. THAT’S the catch! So off their heads then, and they still can claim that Islam is against violence and terror. Sort of.
خَليفة says
A dung beetle does not think anything is wrong about eating dung.
Muslims don’t think raping non-Muslims is rape.
Muslims don’t think killing non-Muslims is murder.
Muslims think a “15 minute temporary marriage with a female you just met” is prostitution.
One has to use the higher standard, not the Islamic standard, for judging morality.
There is no moralality in Islam.
mortimer says
There is no consistent doctrine in the Koran. Morality must be consistent to be moral. Islam’s situation ethics are thus not ‘moral’.
خَليفة says
Contextual Morality.
You can do what ever you want to, when ever you want to do it, as long as the situation allows you to get away with it.
Islam is not moral.
Mark Swan says
Not One Bit Moral
Angemon says
No, he didn’t. Did you even read what he said? At best, he spoke against the killing of innocents. Are infidels who refuse to acknowledge there’s no god but allah and muhammad is the messenger of allah considered to be “innocents” under islamic law?
killerjools says
The questions we need to ask are:
1. Does this imam preach this message in his own mosque?
2. Is he known to be an islamofascist?
3. Has he been linked to violent teaching?
mortimer says
The Sheikh is a civil servant receiving his orders from the Saudi secret police. They are feeding him what he should say and they may even be writing his speech.
This should be obvious.
Infidel from Down Under says
Sounds like the Iman is the Saudi version of ‘Baghdad Bob’ ,and every bit as full of crap.
Maybe we could call him ‘Kaaba Kenny’ or ‘Mecca Monty’
Buddy says
Quotation on Islam by John Quincy Adams
John Quincy Adams (1767 – 1848) was the sixth President of the United States. He was also an American diplomat and served in both the Senate and House of Representatives.
…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.
Buddy says
Mark Twain: ‘How they hate a Christian in Damascus!
” They say those narrow streets ran blood for several days, and that men, women and children were butchered indiscriminately and left to rot by hundreds all through the Christian quarter.”
” Mark Twain described Syria under the Ottoman Turkish Empire: “Then we called at the tomb of Mahomet’s children and at … the mausoleum of the five thousand Christians who were massacred in Damascus in 1861 by the Turks. They say those narrow streets ran blood for several days, and that men, women and children were butchered indiscriminately and left to rot by hundreds all through the Christian quarter; they say, further, that the stench was dreadful. All the Christians who could get away fled from the city, and the Mohammedans would not defile their hands by burying the ‘infidel dogs.’ The thirst for blood extended to the high lands of Hermon and Anti-Lebanon, and in a short time twenty-five thousand more Christians were massacred and their possessions laid waste. …”
http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/mark-twain-how-they-hate-a-christian-in-Damascus/
mortimer says
And the 80 MILLION Hindus butchered in the conquest of India and the 120 MILLION black Africans killed during the Islamic slave trade in Africa.
“The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.”
– Will Durant (U.S. Historian)
Will Durant called Muslims ‘barbarians’ in the above quote.
Mark Swan says
Thanks for the link Buddy
Have You Read The Tragedy of Pudd’Nhead Wilson?
twain/book/the-tragedy-of-puddnhead-wilson/summary
Westman says
Dear Sheikh Saleh Bin Muhammad Bin Ibrahim Aal Talib. You are a liar of the first order.
We watch your country, endorsed by YOU, chop off limbs and heads of people, we of the West consider innocents. We know quite well that when you say “innocents” it only means believers, no unbelievers included. We see the violence your Wahabbi oil money spreads around the globe with its seditious teaching in Madrassas and Masjids.
The day can’t come soon enough when you face the Persians, seeking control of Mekka, alone. The world will get a more honest education about Islam. Many of us realize that our government, controlled by business interests, has sold its soul in an incestuous relationship of protection for oil. The party is on and worshipping the God Of Economic Expansion is still the prayer ritual of the business day.
I won’t likely live long enough to watch the collapse of the protection racket, but it will eventually end. But it’s OK if you’re nervous about the Iranians coming. After all, “Allah did not create man so that he could have fun.” We reject this sadistic Allah, and so, we’ll continue having fun, joy, and humor. You can have Allah.
Please stop lying about Islam’s Ideology. We can read and observe. Modern communication catches Islam’s duplicity, almost daily.
maghan says
Lenin once quipped that “Capitalist businessmen would sell you the rope that they know you would use to hang them”. Same with the effete West and Islam. As long as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, etc. keep pumping out oil, Western governments will continue to shout out that “the perfume of Islam is sweet, and that there is no ‘Islamic terrorism’, only terrorism”.
What all this means is that there are men/women who would slaughter their own families if the fee is big enough.
Jay Boo says
Something the Donald Trump fans will enjoy.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/trump-has-finally-inspired-me-to-leave-islam-trump-fan-ditches-her-religion/
Mark Swan says
Thanks Jay Boo I wonder How Like Her There Are.
Bella says
They’re not too bright if they believe we’re as stupid as they are and while they are bombing the crap out of Yemen, this idiot thinks someone will believe him? He’s just got to stop drinking all that camel piss, it’s really done a number on him.
mortimer says
Sheikh Saleh Bin Muhammad Bin Ibrahim Aal Talib is obviously a top-notch Islamic scholar…so HOW DID HE FORGET THE DOCTRINE OF ABROGATION???
Abrogation is the doctrine that all the peaceful, conciliatory, reassuring verses of the Koran were repealed and rendered non-applicable by the later jihad verses in Sura 9, especially 9:5, the ‘verse of the sword’.
So how did this fine scholar Sheikh Saleh Bin Muhammad Bin Ibrahim Aal Talib forget something that is in all standard and authoritative Muslim commentaries on the Koran, without exception???
I guess the TAQIYYA JUST CAUGHT HIS TONGUE!
And my response is twofold: 1) K. 8:60 (turhibunna…terrorize them) is not part of the Koran and 2) ‘Islam’ has nothing to do with Islam.
Jay Boo says
What a great salesman was Allah.
In other words Allah changed his mind but rather than admit his revelations were not perfect and immutable he gave Muslims —
Two Korans for the price of one.
maghan says
The IQ of Saudi Arabia is 80, so why the incomprehension that this quasi-cretin does not understand the difference between truth and falsity?
The sad implication here is that the average(read as “most”) Saudi Arab cannot understand what it means to “read critically”.
Donovan Nuera says
Sooooo………..tell me, Imam Sheikh Saleh bin Mohammad bin Ibrahim etcerallah, please “imam’splain” to us why the “choppy-choppy” treatment for blasphemers and apostates and “witches” in your Kingdom, eh???
Louis says
Another imam committing taqiyya. Islam is a political ideaology dressed up as a religion!
dajjal says
Why were 8.57 & 9.120 left out of the litany? Allah commanded harsh treatment of defeated people to strike terror into those behind them and promised Brownie Points for acts of terrorism.
Demsci says
He is saying, to a pressconference, that the attacks had nothing to do with Islam. That what the terrorists did, and supposedly justified, is not from Islam. That killing innocent people is forbidden in Islam. This is denial.
And he says that Islam stands for peace, and preserving of life. This is describing tenets of Islam.
No Muslim ever seems to admit that Islam might be ambiguous, multi-interpretable, admitting that what Islamic State did indeed was doing literally what the Quran-Sira-Sahih-Hadits DO SAY. Which Robert specified in 6 verses.
When pressured this man would probably say that these violent verses should be seen in context and as only applicable in the past, so as DESCRIPTIVE and no longer PRESCRIPTIVE. To a worldwide audience mind you; among his own flock, he probably would define the meaning of the word “innocent” different from how we define it.
It is my fervent hope that we can nail such propagandists with their own words. Especially when they are forced to explain what ARE the relevant tenets of Islam that are in contradiction to what Islamic State tells the world concerning tenets of Islam. Because; If what they tell us about Islam is NOT Islam, it makes it imperative for Muslims what Islam IS, in contradiction to Islamic State.
Then we would have 2 versions of Islam. And USE THAT! And not in an untrue propagandistic way either. But, as David Wood said; to show that Allah is a very bad communicator!!! It is HIS bad communication that makes the world a more dangerous place than it would have been without it.
Jay Smith is beginning to make headway in exposing the weaknesses of Islam and he knows it’s timing very wel. And he says that it was only in the 10th century that the “Tafsirs” came, and the “Schools of thought”. But without them, and they are NOT CONSIDERED DIVINE, Quran-Sira-SahihHadiths are “bad communication”.
The verses Robert Quoted are contradicted by the verses this Sheikh will find and quote from these same core-texts to support his claims about what Islam is and what Islam is not.
A possible strategy therefore seems to emphasize that without “Tafsirs” and with the speeches of this High placed Imam we can show both Islam’s vagueness and therefore it’s PRONE-ness to diverse interpretations.
And these core-texts are demonstrably detrimentally interpreted by hundreds millions of Muslims. And THAT makes Islam so dangerous.
And that very multi-interpretable of Islam’s core-texts should, for Westerners in the know, make this speech totally worthless, as it is implicitly falsely suggesting that there is Only ONE TRUE BENEFICIAL version of Islam.
dajjal says
There is only one correct interpretation of Islam: Moe’s. All the rest are camel excrement. Moe’s preaching and practice, found in the Koran and sahih ahadith, form a congruent pattern reflected in tafsirs and codified in shari’ah.
Read Al-Anfal & At-taubah in the light of Bukhari’s books of Jihad, Khumus and Expedition.
Why did Al-Ghazali & Al-Shafi’i rule that the Imam must mount at least one military expedition in every year? Why are more better? Clue 4U: Reliance Of The Traveller O9.0.
Demsci says
No! At around 900 AD, says Jay Smith, there only were Quran-Hadiths-Sira, core texts.
And those we can study and we can see that they are really vague, contradictory, incomplete, Multi-interpretable.
That is why the Muslims needed the Tafsirs and 4 schools of thought in the first place.
It is they who made Islam so bad for us, including Sharia, Reliance of the Traveler.
And yes, they have paramount influence.
At the same time however, apologists still use valid core-texts to lull us asleep, so to speak.
But our takeaway could be to emphasize how bad a communicator Allah really was and broadcast that.
dajjal says
There was no communication between Allah and Moe, neither directly nor through Jibril. The Koran is situational scripture, cooked up on the spur of the moment, to meet the immediate needs. Aisha finked on Moe in Sahih Bukhari 6.60.311. Searching the six sittah for ‘was revealed’ removes all doubt.
Moe supposedly got revelations through clear dreams, the sound of a voice and the sound of a bell ringing in his head. The bell could not possibly impart information.
The Koran was crafted in three dispensations: weakness, low power and armed force. In Mekkah, with no army, Moe preached tolerance and forbearance. In Medina, with a small force, he preached defense and retaliation. When his army grew stronger, he preached offensive conquest.
Bukhari, Muslim & Ibn Ishaq, imperfect as they are, are the best references we have. They form a congruent pattern with the Koran.
Three ‘books’ in the Khan translation of Bukhari: 52, 53 & 59, tell us what we need to know about Islam. Reliance, Risala & Hedaya just confirm it.
Moe said “fight them until”. He declared he was commanded to “fight the people until”. He dictated extortion letters and followed up with ghazwat. Islam is mercenary and martial by design.
Demsci says
Well, let’s say, Allah intervened, took the initiative. And spoke THROUGH Gabriel. On principle HE is responsible.
Ibn Ishaq is about the Sira, which I mentioned.
Bukhari & Muslim are the Sahih Hadith I mentioned or meant. Together with Dawud.
I am familiar with the agressive verses in these core-texts.
However apologists keep quoting peaceful existing verses from core-texts, in direct contradiction to both the warlike verses in the core-texts and what most of the Tafsirs say most of the time.
And when 2 sorts of verses are both clear, but also in clear contradiction, then we can safely call the text from which they came, if they came from the same text, UNCLEAR.
dajjal says
Two ayat rip that argument to shreds:
2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allâh is able to do all things?
16:101. And when We change a Verse [of the Qur’ân, i.e. cancel (abrogate) its order] in place of another, and Allâh knows the best of what He sends down, they (the disbelievers) say: “You (O Muhammad ) are but a Muftari! (forger, liar).” Nay, but most of them know not.
Moe, being Allah’s final mouthpiece, without supervision and unaccountable, was free to change his revelations to accommodate changing circumstances.
Jihad was preached in three dispensations according to Moe’s ability to perform it: forbidden, allowed for defense and ordained unconditionally.
How can anyone deny the congruent pattern formed by the Jihad verses, Jihad ahadith & Shari’ah? At-Taubah 9.29, Sahih Bukhari 1.8.387 , 4.53.386 and Reliance O9.8 fit together hand in glove.
At-Taubah was the final revelation, it abrogates earlier surahs which conflict with it.
What did Moe do? Were his ghazwat & razia done in contravention of Allah’s commands? Were the conquests by the four rightly guided caliphs done in contravention of Allah’s imperatives and Moe’s sunnah or did they obey Allah and emulate the Profit??
Repentence & Dispensation is all about bitching out the shirkers who lagged behind the ghazwa on Tobuk. Tafsir Ibn Kathir and the numerous ahadith related to the chapter make matters abundantly clear. Some who lagged behind became pariahs, shunned by their families and friends for months.
“The Life Of Muhammad” has, in its table of contents, numerous iterations of raid, gazwat, attack, conquest, expedition, murder and assassination. Did the profit, in his last decade, act in disobedience to his Lord? Was true Islam contravened by its revelator?
What is the “best deed”? What is the “highest peak” of Islam? Who “fights in Allah’s cause”? What is “Allah’s cause”? What must a Muslim do to attain admission to Jannah? What was Moe’s price of admission?
Could “those who fight you” mean “those who resist”? What is the precondition for attack in 8.39, 9.29 & 9.123? Why does Al-Mizan discuss 8.39 & 9.29 in the same chapter as 2.190?
Why do 2.193 & 8.39 share compound terminal conditions: cessation of resistance and a monopoly for Allah? Why does the caliph, per Reliance O9.9, fight all other peoples until they become Muslims? Why does Hedaya 2.141 declare that infidels may be attacked without provocation?
SD says
I went to school with lots of muslims from the balkans & turkey and as a result I have a great distrust of these people, there are good ones I even had a great friend who was Kosovarian but many of them are people who in my opinion have problematic Charakters because of the logic of their religion.Religion is like software for humans, it has rules of what to do,not to do,when to do it, how to do it, how to interact with people of other softwares(Chrisianity,Judaism etc.) and in Islam everything is geared towards controlling the humans, and especially to islamize everything that islam touches, eg a muslim woman is not allowed to marry a non muslim man but muslim men ofcourse can marry whoever they want, understand this it is the women who bear the children and men who often pass on their culture and religion onto the kids, not rarely do we see a christian woman with a muslim man accepting that the children should be muslim even though they are living in the Christian west. Their religion which really is a death cult and not something worthy even being called religion as religion should be peacefull and further the interests of all of humanity allows them to enslave non muslims and to kill non muslims, we must understand that islam is a evil and sadistic ideology that has more in common with what we today call fascism than with todays truly peacefull religions of Christianity and Judaism. To oversimplify it Jesus Christ died on the Cross for the sins of humanity, muhammad murdered in the name of allah and his teaching encourage millions upon millions of murders in the name of allah, the contrast couldnt be better to visualize what that must result in in behaviours of the different believers. Islam is obviousy not peace as muhammad the false prophet was a war lord,murderer,genocidist and rapist and since he is the supreme role model for every muslim in the world there can never be complete peace with islam and its muslims as there will always be someone who whishes to copy him. Im sure some leftist is drooling over his keyboard as he has never heard this and it will overload his brains computing power but that is irrelevant, what is not irrelevant is protecting our freedoms and our rights.
After every terror attack the response of politicians is to demand more rights to spy,search etc., with every attack we lose some of our freedom, for me the situation is very simple, we are at war with islam whether we want war with a cult religion or not, it is absolutely foolish and dangerous to let in more followers of this ideology until we truly understand what is going on and to get it under control and in doing so to protect our people. Sometimes a extreme statement is needed to wake people up I say it unashamedly I am 100% sure that if there had been a very small number of muslims living in Belgium,France,Uk etc. a number so small that in reality you dont see them,hear them, they dont make demands, they are forced to integrate, or even 0 muslims then we in the West would have had 0 I repeat 0 terrorist attacks in our countries and 0 losses of freedoms as a response to islamic terror. The politicians are unwilling and therefore unable to defend us from this group of people who dedicate their lives to spread the violent and intolerant teachings of the mad man muhammad.
Demsci says
Well, it is instructive to compare Japan and South Korea, both highly prosperous democratic countries, with the Anglo- and EU countries. A major difference between J + SK and the others is that the former allow few Islamic immigrants and the latter are determined to never discriminate against the religion of any immigrant, and since most migrants seem to be Muslims, end up getting big influxes of Muslims.
We can also turn to the Muslims with this comparison; Asking from them whether or not they want immigration by Muslims into democratic countries to work out well or not?
Is it not a bloody shame for Muslims if, as a result of refusing Muslims, Japan and South Korea perform economically better and have less terrorist-attacks and overall crime???
duh_swami says
I only read the ‘perverted version’…lots of violence and terrorism in there…
Mark Swan says
Yep
Florida Jim says
And I can fly. This Imam lies daily as most do. who checks on them anywhere other than a few Conservative sites in America?
Steve says
Sure it doesn’t. Just like you freaks kissing and tonguing that black stone at the kaaba isn’t idolatry. Islam is hate, Islam is lies, islam is death.
Jesus Lives says
Kaaba, by the way, is where they go to worship and kiss the black stone that is placed in a silver thing that looks like a vagina. They also believe the stones of the Kaaba (brick building) is able to absorb sin! Idolatry – it’s called stone worship! That is what those round sphere stones on that one island is all about that science “has no clue what they were for” and it is forbidden by God! (Isiah 57:6)… There are tons of stones all over the world with intricate carvings in them and they do not make into a man or animal, they are still just stones with intricate designs… stone worship. Visit Jesus Lives (picture is a heart) on facebook and YouTube for more of God’s truth! In Jesus name!
paul says
sura 9:5 needs explaining
and ask the penalty for apostasy. It shows them you really care.
Good luck getting a non violent response.