Here are the rules for dhimmis enunciated in Umdat al-Salik (Reliance of the Traveller), a classic manual of Islamic law. As I showed here, they are very like the rules for dhimmis established by the Islamic State.
O11.4: The Non-Muslim Poll Tax
The minimum non-Muslim poll tax is one dinar (n: 4.235 grams of gold) per person (A: per year). The maximum is whatever both sides agree upon.
It is collected with leniency and politeness, as are all debts, and is not levied on women, children, or the insane.
O11.5
Such non-Muslim subjects are obliged to comply with Islamic rules that pertain to the safety and indemnity of life, reputation, and property. In addition, they:
-1- are penalized for committing adultery or theft, thought not for drunkenness;
-2- are distinguished from Muslims in dress, wearing a wide cloth belt (zunnar);
-3- are not greeted with “as-Salamu ‘alaykum”;
-4- must keep to the side of the street;
-5- may not build higher than or as high as the Muslims’ buildings, though if they acquire a tall house, it is not razed;
-6- are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, (A: to ring church bells or display crosses,) recite the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals and feastdays;
-7- and are forbidden to build new churches.
O11.6
They are forbidden to reside in the Hijaz, meaning the area and towns around Mecca, Medina, and Yamama, for more than three days when the caliph allows them to enter there for something they need).
O11.7
A non-Muslim may not enter the Meccan Sacred Precinct (Haram) under any circumstances, or enter any other mosque without permission (A: nor may Muslims enter churches without their permission).
O11.8
It is obligatory for the caliph…to protect those of them who are in Muslim lands just as he would Muslims, and to seek the release of those of them who are captured.
O11.9
If non-Muslim subjects of the Islamic state refuse to conform to the rules of Islam, or to pay the non-Muslim poll tax, then their agreement with the state has been violated…
O11.10
The agreement is also violated…if the state has stipulated that any of the following things break it, and one of the subjects does so anyway…namely, if one of the subject people:
(1) commits adultery with a Muslim woman or marries her;
(2) conceals spies of hostile forces;
(3) leads a Muslim away from Islam;
(4) kills a Muslim;
(5) or mentions something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet….or Islam.
O11.11
When a subject’s agreement with the state has been violated, the caliph chooses between the four alternatives mentioned…in connection with prisoners of war.
Those alternatives are “the prisoner’s death, slavery, release without paying anything, or ransoming himself in exchange for money or for a Muslim captive held by the enemy.” (O9.14)
But don’t be concerned. Pope Francis and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops are certain that “Muslim-Christian dialogue” will fix this problem right up.
“Syria war: IS group killed 21 Christians in al-Qaryatain, says patriarch,” BBC, April 10, 2016:
Reports are emerging of the killing of Syrian Christians by Islamic State militants in the town of al-Qaryatain.
The town was retaken by Russian-backed Syrian forces and their allies earlier in the week.
Some 21 Christians were murdered when almost 300 Christians remained in the city after IS captured it last August, said the head of the Syrian Orthodox Church.
They included three women, Patriarch Ignatius Aphrem II told the BBC.
He said some died whilst trying to escape while the others were killed for breaking the terms of their “dhimmi contracts”, which require them to submit to the rule of Islam.
Five more Christians are still missing, believed dead. Negotiations and the payment of ransoms have seen the remainder of the group re-join their families.
The patriarch said warnings had come that Islamic State planned to sell Christian girls into slavery.
But despite the murders, he said restoring harmony among faiths remained his goal.
“We lived this situation for centuries, we learned how to respect each other, we learned how to live with each other,” said the patriarch. “We can live together again, if we are left alone by others.”…

Christianblood says
Assad and his regime protect Christians and other minorities in Syria where as ISIS and other evil and barbaric islamic jihadist groups which are trained, funded, armed and supported by America, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey murder and persecute Christians and other minorities.
gravenimage says
Once again, the nasty and meretricious “Christianblood” is pretending that the US backs ISIS.
SpiritOf1683 says
Unfortunately the US, Britain and France did help IS by toppling Gaddafi and Cameron would have helped them again by toppling Assad had he not lost a Commons vote. The biggest gainers if Assad had been toppled would have been the most powerful opposition to him, namely IS. In thast part of the world, it isn’t the so-called moderates, if we can call them that, who inherit the earth but the most ruthless and sadistic.
Christianblood says
SpiritOf1683 posted
(…Unfortunately the US, Britain and France did help IS by toppling Gaddafi and Cameron would have helped them again by toppling Assad had he not lost a Commons vote. The biggest gainers if Assad had been toppled would have been the most powerful opposition to him, namely IS…)
True! So True!
Kepha says
I’m inhappy to say that the US may not have supported ISIS, but it did support other rebel factions which were also offshoots of the Muslim Brotherhood and tactical allies of ISIS. I also believe that toppling Qaddafi was objectionable, since it left the door wide open for IS. These are among the reasons why I believe that Shrillary Shroooooooooooo has proven herself incompetent as SecState, and should not be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office. Indeed, if she is indicted and not allowed to continue to campaign for the presidency, the US will have dodged a bullet.
Christianblood says
gravenimage
Yes, America is always on the side of barbaric and genocidal muslims, always backing them, training them, arming and supporting them and even encouraging them to fight on because ‘allah’ is with them. Please watch the historical video clip below which proves my point:
gravenimage says
The US had, as I’ve freely admitted, made some bad decisions when opposing the horror of Communism. But then, it is easy to second-guess history in hindsight.
What is notable is that *today* “Christianblood” refuses to say a word of criticism for Putin’s enabling of the imposition of Shari’ah in Chechnya and backing a nuclear Iran.
As I have noted before, “Christianblood’s” issues are not actually with genocidal Islam, but just with the West.
Christianblood says
gravenimage posted:
(…The US had, as I’ve freely admitted, made some bad decisions when opposing the horror of Communism. But then, it is easy to second-guess history in hindsight…)
Graven, I agree. As I said many times before, the Iranian regime is evil and deeply antisemitic and they should not be supported by anyone to fulfill their genocidal plans against Israel. But what about America and Nato bombing Serbia in support of the Balkan the genocidal jihadists in the Balkans? What about the hundreds of thousands of Serbian Christians removed from their ancient lands by the US/Nato and the hundreds of churches and ancient monasteries destroyed by the US-backed Balkan jihadists? Watch the video please:
LB says
@Christianblood
Most people have forgotten that bombing of Serbia ever took place, and the majority of those who remember it (aside from Serbs) think Serbia probably deserved it because of the wars which took place on Balkans during the ’90s. The media portrays Serbs as these “warmongering genocidal tyrants” so surely Serbs had it coming! I mean, if there’s any site that reminds us daily of how the mainstream media is always right, then it’s JihadWatch. (obligatory sarcasm indicator)
Jokes aside, anyone who cared enough to look up the fact of why some tiny, war-torn country in Europe got even further stomped into oblivion by NATO (which consists of US and its puppets like Germany and UK), they would found out that (surprise, surprise!) muslims played the victims and begged for help to stop “oppression”. And we all know how that NEVER happens, am I right? (sarc)
Anyway, I could rant about the things done to Serbs for days (not just about the NATO bombing), but I’ll end it here. For anyone interested about what actually happened and how the US is involved, Julia Gorin wrote an excellent summary of what was happening on Kosovo at the time (which is what got Serbia bombed). Read it here:
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=2533
Christianblood says
LB posted
(…The media portrays Serbs as these “warmongering genocidal tyrants”…)
Very well-said LB and thanks for the Julia Gorin artilce.
And I add that the Western MSM is portraying Russia in the same manner today.
Ex-muslim says
@ Christianblood
Absolutely Unbelievable!
Thanks C.B.
gravenimage says
I have criticized NATO’s shortsightedness in the Balkans many times.
Good to see that Christianblood has finally gotten around to saying something critical about the appalling Islamic Republic of Iran.
Hopefully one day he will express some concern over oppressed Christians in Chechnya, as well.
marble says
Just a thought, could it not be that the leaders of Western civilization are carrying out Satan’s orders whether they know it or not? Was Serbia attacked to open the gates to Christian Europe so that it could be overrun by Muslims? Are the hidden rulers taking separate nations into a blender to make a puree of humanity? A plan that started at least as far back as the time of Nimrod. Babylon arising for the last time.
Avenger says
@gravenimage
Many East Europeans, Greeks and Armenians, be they Orthodox, Catholic or Nestorian would be either subjugated or exterminated by “secular” Turkey had it not been for Russia.
You can’t seem to wrap your mind around the fact that these free people will always feel that they owe their freedom to the sacrifices made by the Russian people.
I have the same respect for Russia that Christianblood has because my ancestors (Greek-Croat) were saved by Russia in its 200 years of warfare against Turkey. BTW – Britain sided with Turkey 3 times during those wars, which saved the Turks from defeat by Russia.
Since 1900, the Turks have been responsible for the murder-genocide of 4,300,000 Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians, Bulgarians and Cossacks, all who had once lived within its borders (www.hri.org>docs>Democide).
As of today, only 120,000 Christians remain in Turkey, contrast that number with Iran who has over a half million Christians. Iran has never had a large Christian population but unlike in Turkey, they are at least stable and slowly growing. Also, please read about the Batak massacre in Bulgaria to fully understand on how Ottoman Turks dealt with its subject Christian nations. ISIS and Turkey kill Christians in the same way.
Saudi Arabia and Turkey are the United States closest allies after Britain, do you find anything wrong with that gravenimage?
I do.
gravenimage says
Avenger, I have strongly criticized American and other Western policy *many times* in foolishly believing that Muslim states like Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia are our “allies”.
My issue with “Christianblood” is that he is much more taken with his hatred of the West than he is with any concern about Jihad.
This thread is the very first time I have seen that he has said *anything* critical of Iran–he has usually defended them because Russia is foolishly allying with them.
He still has nothing to say against the imposition of Shari’ah law in Chechnya, and the suffering of the few remaining Christians there.
That you are *lauding* Iran for its treatment of Christians is quite sickening.
“Four Iranian Christians prosecuted for ‘spreading Christianity’”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/four-iranian-christians-prosecuted-for-spreading-christianity
My point is that much of Dar-al-Harb–*including Russia*–have made terrible mistakes in enabling Islam.
To pretend–as he does–that Russia is error free while it is only the West that is in error is absurd.
But–far worse than that, and utterly grotesque–are his claims that America and the West are *themselves* waging a genocide against Christians.
And I have written about the terrible Armenian Genocide here many times. The idea that you need to lecture me on this is ridiculous.
And despite your implications, it was Great Britain and France as much as the Russian Empire that helped Greece gain her independence. Brave Westerners like Lord Byron fought alongside the Greeks.
The fact is that Islam is targeting *all* of us. To care about Jihad only to try to score points against the West is not just ugly, it is also ludicrously suicidal.
Angemon says
gravenimage posted:
“Avenger, I have strongly criticized American and other Western policy *many times* in foolishly believing that Muslim states like Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia are our “allies”.
My issue with “Christianblood” is that he is much more taken with his hatred of the West than he is with any concern about Jihad.”
Indeed, and you’ll never, ever get criticism of Russia or Putin out of him or the rest of his gang.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house
Avenger says
Angemon, you surely have some connection to JIhad Watch’s Webmaster, ask he or she where my emails are emanating from.
To give me a idea of where you’re coming from, do you think the US government secretly wired the World Trade Center with explosives to help bring them down?
Angemon says
Avenger posted:
“Angemon, you surely have some connection to JIhad Watch’s Webmaster”
Nope.
Avenger says
@Christianblood
I wonder why those US-EU NATO peacekeepers allow this very discriminate destruction?
ISIS = NATO? Imagine that.
Tom P says
Well we did elect a Muslim as President in 2008 and again in 2012
Peggy says
Hopefully this time Muslim enablers won’t get voted in.
People are so stupid that they will turn a blind eye to what is happening to their brothers and sisters overseas until the same starts to happen to them, which by that time is way too late.
I would think that most Americans know about dangers of Islam by now but they will still vote for Hillary or Bernie and not even realize that they too are now part of the problem.
The same goes for Australia too. We all whinge about this but when it comes time to actually make a difference we go back to our old ways of giving our vote to main parties.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“People are so stupid that they will turn a blind eye to what is happening to their brothers and sisters overseas until the same starts to happen to them, which by that time is way too late.”
This coming from the person who said that what Putin was doing didn’t affect us so we were not to criticize it. Do you have no sense of shame or self-awareness, Peggy?
mortimer says
gravenimage wrote: “the nasty and meretricious “Christianblood”
Indeed. There’s a fellow who can’t decide if he wishes to be fascist or Christian, since they are morally exclusive. He places himself firmly on the side of the biggest, fascist kleptocracy in the history of the world, a pseudo-democratic, one-party crony-conspiracy using the powers of the state to manipulate and impoverish their empire unopposed.
Christianity and injustice are oil and water.
Ex-muslim says
@ Mortimer
C.B. is absolutely right in all the facts he pointed out about the USA and Nato being pro islam and anti Christian. Telling the truth about the craziness of the West and the US policies is not fascism but it is about Christianity. True Christianity points out the truth and the truth is that US and the West are backing islamic jihadist fascists in the middle east and beyond and they are the true anti Christ. I know this because I am from the region and I understand what is going on. C.B is also right in that, if Russia and President Putin did not intervene to assist the Syrian government of Assad ISIS and the many islamic jihadists groups backed by the US and saudi arabia
would have been ruling Damascus today and massacring Christians there. US and the West have no desire to help Christians and other minorities and their goal is get rid off Arab secular dictators and replace them with islamic jihadists as they did it in Libya.
Peggy says
If you don’t like to hear the truth don’t come to this site.
Why do you always reply with the same old how Russia is the worst blah blah blah when someone points out how the US and other western countries openly support Islam not only in Islamic countries but their own as well?
We don’t live in Russia and their problems with Islam there don’t affect us but we do live in western countries and that shoudl be our primary focus.
So please don’t shoot the messenger and lay off Christianblood for pointing out the truth. The fact that he doesn’t keep harping on how evil Russia is does not make what he says any less true.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“If you don’t like to hear the truth don’t come to this site.”
This coming from the person who throws a hissy fit at any perceived criticism of Putin.
“Why do you always reply with the same old how Russia is the worst blah blah blah when someone points out how the US and other western countries openly support Islam not only in Islamic countries but their own as well?”
Why do you always excuse Putin’s being in bed with islamic terrorists and terrorism-sponsoring states with tu-quoquery about the US?
“We don’t live in Russia and their problems with Islam there don’t affect us but we do live in western countries and that shoudl be our primary focus.”
And you don’t live in the US or Europe, so that doesn’t affect you. Funny how your standards aren’t consistently applied. Almost as if you have two or more…
“So please don’t shoot the messenger and lay off Christianblood for pointing out the truth.”
If by “truth” you mean “rabbid anti-Western propaganda”, you’re right
“The fact that he doesn’t keep harping on how evil Russia is”
No, the fact is that he whitewashes what’s going on in Putin’s Russia while smearing Western nations – like the one you allegedly live in – with insane accusations.
“does not make what he says any less true.”
Oh, so you believe that the FIFA scandal is a US conspiracy to make Russia look bad?
Peggy says
A huge accusation. All I see in his posts is the truth. Can you dispute what he says by giving us an alternative truth?
Don’t call him names but do counter what he says with an alternative.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“A huge accusation. All I see in his posts is the truth.”
It just appears that way to you because you haven’t seen a supporter of Putin you didn’t like. But if you think that it’s true that Russians are only fit to be ruled by authoritarian regimes, that Iran isn’t killing Christians, or that the FIFA scandal is a US conspiracy to make Russia look bad, more power to you.
“Can you dispute what he says”
I have.Several times. I vividly remember this one time where he claimed to have evidence that the US had paid to foment unrest in Ukraine. Why, he even gave a link to prove his point. It just so happened that the link he gave said that the story he told was false.
“by giving us an alternative truth?”
Again with this nonsense? There’s no “alternative truth”. There’s only one truth. It’s called “the truth”. That you don’t like it doesn’t entitle you to demanding a different story.
Don’t call him names but do counter what he says with an alternative.
Peggy says
You may not like it but US is indeed backing ISIS by backing anti Assard Jihadists.
US has backed Al Qaida in Afghanistan, Hillary Clinton is backing Boko Haram and she’s part of the WH team. It’s a well known fact so please don’t call someone nasty when they are telling the truth.
You may not like Christianblood but you cannot dispute what he has said.
We have to admit that we have huge problems with our governments before we can even attempt to fix it.
Christianblood says
Peggy posted:
(…You may not like it but US is indeed backing ISIS by backing anti Assard Jihadists.
US has backed Al Qaida in Afghanistan, Hillary Clinton is backing Boko Haram and she’s part of the WH team. It’s a well known fact so please don’t call someone nasty when they are telling the truth…)
Indeed! Very well-said, Peggy!
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“You may not like it but US is indeed backing ISIS by backing anti Assard Jihadists.”
Ah, so the US is not really backing ISIS.
“US has backed Al Qaida in Afghanistan”
Of course, you left out that al-qaeda was fighting a Russian invasion of Afghanistan to defend a pro-Russian government who was killing tens of thousands of its citizens.
“Hillary Clinton is backing Boko Haram”
How, exactly?
“and she’s part of the WH team.”
She isn’t. For more than three years.
“It’s a well known fact”
Except it isn’t. Hence why you need to make generic statements and claim it’s “well known”.
“so please don’t call someone nasty when they are telling the truth.”
Unless, of course, they’re telling the truth about Putin, in which case, you’re all for calling nasty things to people. For example, you whine about US backing anti-Assad organizations but you overlook that Putin supports groups like Hezbollah or Hamas.
“You may not like Christianblood but you cannot dispute what he has said.”
What a grossly fallacious misrepresentation, trying to pretend that any criticism directed at CB is because people “may not like him”. He’s spewed plenty of easily disprovable lies and venom and hatred of the West while apologizing for suicidal, barbaric islamic regimes.
“We have to admit that we have huge problems with our governments before we can even attempt to fix it.”
Who made you the spokesperson of everyone here? I’m pretty sure there are, for example, Hungarian and Slovak people here. Do you think their governments, who have taken a decidedly anti “syrian” “refugees” stance. have huge problems that needs fixing?
spac says
It is not so ..but a reminder …Christians suffered the worst by US policy of ousting Saddam in IRAQ and by the support of Turkey during 1922 era and even now .. The same is happening today in Syria and again in Turkey .Christians are virtually obliterated by Muslims whether it is ISIS,Qaeda or Brotherhood …Even in this situation US is not thinking wisely ,,but dance to the tune of Turkey and Germany –The boneless criminal country which always support the Muslim atrocities of Anatolia .
So think and speak truth ..What is happening in ME ? Naked brutality ,racism and murder against Christians ,unfortunately with the support of West
Christianblood says
spac posted:
(…What is happening in ME ? Naked brutality ,racism and murder against Christians ,unfortunately with the support of West…)
Very true indeed! These people who are trying to deny these facts do really hate the TRUTH. America and the West are backing islamic jihadists and they don’t care about Christians and other minorities dying out in the hands of their islamic jihadist allies. This is the FACT and they are trying hide it and deny it. SHAME ON THEM!
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“These people who are trying to deny these facts do really hate the TRUTH. America and the West are backing islamic jihadists and they don’t care about Christians and other minorities dying out in the hands of their islamic jihadist allies. This is the FACT and they are trying hide it and deny it.”
The whitewashing of islamic terrorism is coming from you. Of course, you can’t criticize Russia’s support of, for example, Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah – even trolls need to make ends meet:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house
Christianblood says
Munchenfez posted:
(…Many tens of thousands brutally raped, assaulted and murdered and the Americans, British and French watched it all. They even turned the back the boats of people who had managed to escape the horror and sent them back to the shore to be further brutalized and murdered in their turn…)
So True indeed! Munchenfez, very few people in the US and in the West know these facts. They are blinded by their hubris and their evil arrogant ignorance. They will probably know these facts when the evil jihadist muslims they are backing from left to right massacre them in huge numbers, but then it will be too late!
Christianblood says
Munchenfez posted:
(…Why did the US, French and UK fleets lying off Smyrna in 1922 ( I think) NOT assist the Christians who were being massacred by the Turkish military. Many tens of thousands brutally raped, assaulted and murdered and the Americans, British and French watched it all. They even turned the back the boats of people who had managed to escape the horror and sent them back to the shore to be further brutalized and murdered in their turn…) Very true ineed!
Also, British and American navies were anchored off shore from the Greek- Armenian city of Smyrna while turks slaughtered the entire population and burnt the city to the ground. The Turks could have EASILY been stopped cold by just a token of western intervention.
The U.S. CIA ousts the legitimate secular government in Iran allowing the Shah to grant us special drilling rights who’s corrupt government was overthrown by Islamists. Now we will get a nuclear Iran. The US encourages Turkey to invade Cyprus so we can establish a military base in the occupied area. We call for a phony arms embargo to make it look like we are shocked at the aggression. house of Saud, USA, Turkey and Qatar. Saudi petro dollars influence all US administrations be they democrat or republican etc…
gravenimage says
Munchenfez, as I have noted many times before, the West was shameful in being so slow to act in Smyrna.
But it is also true that virtually all those who were saved in that city were saved by that same fleet at the urging of American aid worker Asa Kent Jennings.
“The American who saved 250,000 from death during the Armenian genocide”
http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-04-24/american-who-saved-250000-death-during-armenian-genocide
To pretend that this rescue did not happen is calumny.
miriamrove says
Yes. They are following the foot steps of their murderous and pedophile prophet. M
Lookmann says
What about Russian support to Iran which is aiming to destroy Israel and US ?
Christianblood says
Lookmann
Thanks to Russia supporting for Assad’s regime, Christians in Damascus were able to freely celebrate Christmas in January this year. Imagine if America’s jihadist allies were ruling Damascus? Would this have been possible? Be honest please! No. Millions of Christians and other minorities who are now safe in the regime-controlled area of Syria would have been totally massacred by the American-backed barbaric jihadists in Syria. Please watch the video below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGxct865vYY
Christianblood says
Lookmann posted
(…What about Russian support to Iran which is aiming to destroy Israel…)
I agree. The Iranian regime is evil and deeply antisemitic and they should not be supported by anyone to fulfill their genocidal plans. In the same, America and the West should also stop backing the genocidal islamic jihadist groups and countries such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Taliban, the Balkan jihadists, Alqaida, ISIS and the so-called ‘free syrian army’ and many, many others…
Peggy says
Iran can’t destroy the US. Israel is also equipped very well but if Iran was to go for it I am quite sure it would not be standing there any longer.
I think that Russia can handle Iran. It’s one country, one army where the west can’t handle all the Jihadists they have helped create. That much is obvious.
It’s easier to go to war with one country than terrorists who look like civilians fighting all over the globe.
I certainly don’t support Iran and a war with them would be difficult but their end would be definite.
Angemon says
You did not answer Lookmann’s question:
Of course, no surprise there – getting criticism of Russia from you is harder than getting blood from a rock.
Zeke Zick says
@Christianblood
Are you an actual member of Putin’s FSB, or just a “Useful idiot? Besides “Alex Jones” what actual evidence do you have for your ravings?
Christianblood says
Zeke Zick
No. I am not…. Do you deny that, in alliance with the barbaric Saudi Arabia and with the genocidal islamic Turks America is backing barbaric islamic jihadists not only in Syria today but backed them in Libya and in the Balkans just a few years back? Do you even know that America/Nato bombed Christian Serbia and created Two islamic states (Bosnia & Kosovo) in the heart of Europe? Come on!
African infidel says
Zeke Zick
Many African countries such as Nigeria, Mali, Cameroon and others want President Putin and Russia to help them fight with islamic jihadists and even the Iraqis and Egyptians would like to work with Russia when it comes to islamic jihadists groups in those regions. US is playing a double game. On the one hand, they are supporting the jihadists and arming them and on the other hand, they say they are fighting ISIS and other jihadists. You just can’t trust them.
Peggy says
Putin is not a threat to the US any more than Iraq was back when Bush sernior attacked them. The real threat to all of us are the very terrorists our governments support.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Putin is not a threat to the US any more than Iraq was back when Bush sernior attacked them.”
Thank you, Mr. Chamberlain, for explaining to us how Chancellor Adolf Hitler is a nice person who can be reasoned with.
“The real threat to all of us are the very terrorists our governments support.”
But not from Iran, or Hamas, or Hezbollah – you know, the Moscow-supported terrorists. Oh, and you might want to ask Georgians and Ukrainians what their consider as a pressing existential threat – islam or Putin’s Russia.
African infidel says
@ Christianblood
US and Nato governments don’t care about Christians and other religious minorities in the M.E. and elsewhere, all they care about are their economical materialism, their access to oil or their global political influences. They don’t care if the millions of Christians who still live in places like Egypt, Nigeria or Syria are massacred by their islamic allies. It is all about greed, materialism and hedonism in the West and they will get their karma!
mortimer says
African infidel wrote: “US and Nato governments don’t care about Christians …elsewhere”
Increasingly, as agnosticism spreads in the West, Christian concerns are less and less those of governments. There is an additional reluctance to become involved in protracted local wars if there is no national interest as well. This is a matter of putting national concerns first and budgeting, since Western countries no longer have colonial concerns, but merely foreign investments. When foreign national governments ask for help with their internal affairs, military advisers are sent as well as weapons, however sending troops is another matter.
Foreign wars have to be understandable to a large swath of the electorate. Many Westerners have little interest in countries outside their own regions, let alone their own countries. They are too busy or lazy to learn about foreign problems.
Pope Francis seems more concerned about polite relationships with dictators, rather than protecting the Christians they persecute. However, we don’t know if stronger language is used diplomatically behind closed doors. Western church leaders need to speak out about the persecuted Christians.
African infidel says
@ mortimer
US and the West care more about “gays”, oil, materialism, muslims, secularism, and “democracy” etc than protecting Christians. Recently US told Nigerian gov. that US Won’t Help Fight Boko Haram Until Nigeria Accepts Homosexuality, Birth Control, etc. Read it.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260821/dc-refuses-arm-persecuted-christians-fighting-isis-raymond-ibrahim
gravenimage says
Here’s African Infidel, sneering at democracy. If he despises democracy and freedom so much, he should be just fine with islam.
Christianblood says
African infidel posted:
(…US and Nato governments don’t care about Christians and other religious minorities in the M.E. and elsewhere, all they care about are their economical materialism, their access to oil or their global political influences…)
Indeed! Very well-said, African infidel!
Christianblood says
African infidel
True. True! They will definitely get their karma! That is a natural law!
Ex-muslim says
Christianblood
You are right. Eventhough US is backing various islamic groups in Syria and spending billions in arming and training them they actually refused to arm a Christian militia who were ready to fight ISIS and protect their villages from ISIS and other jihadist groups Plz Read it below:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260821/dc-refuses-arm-persecuted-christians-fighting-isis-raymond-ibrahim
Christianblood says
Ex-muslim posted:
(…Eventhough US is backing various islamic groups in Syria and spending billions in arming and training them they actually refused to arm a Christian militia who were ready to fight ISIS and protect their villages from ISIS and other jihadist groups…)
Thank you so very much Ex-muslim. That is it what I have been saying all along.
gravenimage says
Islamic State murders 21 Christians, some for violating terms of dhimmi contract
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*This* is what “protection” of dhimmis *really* looks like.
Remember this the next time some Mohammedan extols the position of Infidels under Shari’ah law.
Angemon says
Damn it, where’s the “like” button? 😀
gravenimage says
Thank you, Angemon.
linnte says
We NEED a “like” button!
Peggy says
That’s not how it is under Assad. That’s how it is under IS which the west supports.
Please don’t confuse the two.
Graven, I usually agree with your posts but today it seems we don’t see the same in this discussion.
I am glad we can both speak our mind and hopefully learn from each other without becoming hostile to each other.
gravenimage says
I’m not hostile towards you, Peggy–I just hate seeing Jihad threats like Iran and Ramzan Kadyrov whitewashed because they are pals of Putin.
And Assad is no real ally of Christians–he is just much less worse than any of the current alternatives in the region.
marble says
Muslims are people of privilege. Other lives don’t matter.
David says
This vile scrum should be buried under 15 tons of fresh PIG SHIT! Lets see how they crawl to muslim heaven then!
Bill says
And the Pope says . . . . The Archbishop of Canterbury says . . .
wallace says
The jizya was not collected with leniency and politeness, as revealed by Bat Ye’or and Mark Durie the ritual of the jizya payment was structured for humiliating the dhimmi. The dhimmi would often have to crawl on all fours when paying , he would be subjected to a hard blow to the back of the neck, or a punch to the jaw under the ear, this was to symbolise the beheading for which the dhimmi by paying the jizya escapes.
gravenimage says
Very true, Wallace.
And almost anything can be held to have broken the dhimma–including unsubstantiated rumors.
Moreover, any breaking of the dhimma can involve *collective punishment*–often the whole community of Infidels pays for any breach, real or imagined.
And the Islamic State is not letting Infidels leave–so they are trapped in this violent and arbitrary hell.
Kepha says
Aha! A “moderate” is someone who just makes the Dhimmi crawl on all fours and forgoes the blow to the jaw (and, in a nod to the late Oriana Falacci, wears a shorter beard).
gravenimage says
I spent the weekend doing taxes—not much fun–but anyone who claims that paying the Jizya is just like dealing with the IRS is either ignorant or lying.
Peggy says
That’s more of the reason west and east should band together and exterminate this evil once and for all.
gravenimage says
True.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“That’s more of the reason west and east should band together and exterminate this evil once and for all.”
It’s hard to band together with someone who is not only robbing his country blind and murdering the citizens he’s support to protect but also holding to power by demonizing the West.
celticwarriorcanada says
“But despite the murders,he said restoring harmony among faiths remained his goal.” Good Luck You Silly Smuck ! I’m sure there are thousands of Muslims out there waiting with great eagerness To Extend To You The Left Hand Of Fellowship!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Gee, I wonder what Pope Frank will have to say about this one.
Bil says
He has. It was predictably worthless and pathetic. Meaningless platitudes. That is how he always responds to Christian persecution. “Persecution is the Christian’s daily bread” is what he said. In short, the message to his flock was suck it up and take it.
You can read about it. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/12/pope-francis-persecution-christians-daily-bread/
But as to combating the myth of Islamophobia, the uncertain science of global warming and unrestrained capitalism (something that no one alive today has experienced) he has volumes to say. This Pope is destroying the Roman Catholic Church.
Bill says
Pope Francis did mouth some worthless platitudes. He said that “Martrydom is a Christian’s daily bread.” He always does this. His message was basically suck it up and take it. Meanwhile he is probably planning on excommunicating global warming deniers and condemning “Islamophobia”. Donald Trump is not a Christian says the Pope. Well if being a Christian means getting slaughtered as your daily bread, I can understand why Donald Trump has no appetite for this Pope’s new religion.
Dan Jones says
and crickets from the white house… oh yea, obama follows the pedophile too…
More End Time News At:
http://www.shininginthedark.com/?page_id=7760
Michael Johnson says
Yea these Christians better start defending themselves or there aren’t gonna be anymore Christians
Walter Sieruk says
As for the information about ISIS murdering twenty one Christians for the violation of the terms, agreement, of the Dhimmi contract. Maybe a better and more realistic way of viewing that murderous behavior of the jihadist thugs of ISIS is the old saying, which is that “Evil is always looking for an excuse.”
sham says
“”” Islamic State murders 21 Christians””””””””””
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE OF THE SPENCER CLAIM? NO EVIDENCE ,JUST BLAMING
I THINK SPENCER HIMSELF PRODUCE THE NEWS ,I EVER SAW A FOOLISH/LAYER PERSON LIKE HIM……
MUSLIM SHOULD EAT WITH JUSTICE :
2: 188. And eat up not one another’s property unjustly (in any illegal way e.g. stealing, robbing, deceiving, etc.), nor give bribery to the rulers (judges before presenting your cases) that you may knowingly eat up a part of the property of others sinfully.
3: 161. It is not for any Prophet to take illegally a part of booty (Ghulul), and whosoever deceives his companions as regards the booty, he shall bring forth on the Day of Resurrection that which he took (illegally). Then every person shall be paid in full what he has earned, – and they shall not be dealt with unjustly.
4: 29. O you who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves unjustly except it be a trade amongst you, by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allâh is Most Merciful to you.
30. And whoever commits that through aggression and injustice, We shall cast him into the Fire, and that is easy for Allâh.
9:34. O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder (them) from the Way of Allâh (i.e. Allâh’s Religion of Islâmic Monotheism). And those who hoard up gold and silver [Al-Kanz: the money, the Zakât of which has not been paid], and spend it not in the Way of Allâh, -announce unto them a painful torment.
NO Stealing TO OTHER PROPERTY:
60:12 O Prophet! When believing women come to you to give you the Bai’â (pledge), that they will not associate anything in worship with Allâh, that they will not steal, that they will not commit illegal sexual intercourse, that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood (i.e. by making illegal children belonging to their husbands), and that they will not disobey you in any Ma’rûf (Islâmic Monotheism and all that which Islâm ordains) then accept their Bai’â (pledge), and ask Allâh to forgive them, Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Muslim :: Book 17 : Hadith 4238
Ubida b. as-Samit repnrted: I was one of those headmen who swore allegiance to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) that we will not associate anything with Allah, and will not commit adultery, and will not steal, and will not kill any soul which Allah has forbidden, but with justice nor plunder, nor disobey (Allah and His Apostle), then Paradise (will be the reward) in case we do these (acts) ; and if we commit any outrage(bad, violence) (and that goes unpunished in the world), it is Allah Who would decide about it. Ibn Rumh said: Its judgment lies with Allah.
Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 104 ,105,109
Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah observed: The fornicator who fornicates is not a believer so long as he commits it and no thief who steals is a believer as long as he commits theft, and no drunkard who drinks wine is a believer as long as he drinks it. ‘Abdul-Malik b. Abi Bakr’ narrated this on the authority of Abu Bakr b. Abdur-Rahman b. Harith and then said: Abu Huraira made this addition: No plunderer[looter, robbery] who plunders a valuable thing that attracts the attention of people is a believer so long as he commits this act.
Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 58 :: Hadith 182
Narrated ‘Aisha:
Abu Bakr had a slave who used to give him some of his earnings. Abu Bakr used to eat from it. One day he brought something and Abu Bakr ate from it. The slave said to him, “Do you know what this is?” Abu Bakr then enquired, “What is it?” The slave said, “Once, in the pre-Islamic period of ignorance I foretold somebody’s future though I did not know this knowledge of foretelling but I, cheated him, and when he met me, he gave me something for that service, and that is what you have eaten from.” Then Abu Bakr put his hand in his mouth and vomited whatever was present in his stomach.
JIziya depend the people capability:
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 287
Umar(r) did not take the Jizya from infidel:
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 53 :: Hadith 384
Dawud :: Book 19 : Hadith 3037
Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4292,4294
Jizya prohibited some poor’s:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 208
Jizya prohibited to oppressed/weak/torment people:
Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6327 6328, 6329,6330
Forced jizya prohibited:
Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6328,6330
Jizya a charity for poor:
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 656
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 34 :: Hadith 425
Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 287 ,289
Non Muslim Women & children no need to pay jizya & only for wealthy non Muslim:
Malik :: Book 17 : Hadith 17.24.46
Malik said, “The sunna is that >>>>>>>there is no jizya due from women or children of people of the Book, and that jizya is only taken from men who have reached puberty. <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>they do not have to pay anything on their property except the jizya.<<<<<<<<<<<
Malik :: Book 17 : Hadith 17.24.44
Jiziya for the protection for non Muslim
Dawud :: Book 19 : Hadith 2955
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
A son of Adi ibn Adi al-Kindi said that Umar ibn AbdulAziz wrote (to his governors): If anyone asks about the places where spoils (fay') should be spent, that should be done in accordance with the decision made by Umar ibn al-Khattab (Allah be pleased with him). The believers considered him to be just, according to the saying of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him): Allah has placed truth upon Umar's tongue and heart. He fixed stipends for Muslims, and provided protection for the people of other religions by levying jizyah (poll-tax) on them, deducting no fifth from it, nor taking it as booty.
Isa[a]stop the jizya, because Money will be in abundance
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 656,657
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. ''''''''''''''Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts). '''''''''''
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 34 :: Hadith 425
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). '''''''''''''Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts. ''''''''''''
Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 289
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger or Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: I swear by Allah that the son of Mary will certainly descend as a just judge and he would definitely break the cross, and kill swine and abolish Jizya and would leave the young she-camel and no one would endeavour to (collect Zakat on it). Spite, mutual hatred and jealousy against one another will certainly disappear and when he summons people to accept wealth, not even one would do so.
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 55 :: Hadith 657
Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 287,289
Dawud :: Book 37 : Hadith 4310
SpiritOf1683 says
Savage, savage, nothing but a backward savage is sham the stupid.
gravenimage says
The grotesque sham wrote:
“”” Islamic State murders 21 Christians””””””””””
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE OF THE SPENCER CLAIM? NO EVIDENCE ,JUST BLAMING
I THINK SPENCER HIMSELF PRODUCE THE NEWS ,I EVER SAW A FOOLISH/LAYER PERSON LIKE HIM……
…………………………
This story is from the BBC, which is entirely reputable.
Even more to the point, though, it that ISIS *itself* has crowed over its oppression, enslavement, and mass-murder of Christians.
The idea that some “Islamophobe” is making this up is ludicrous.
Here is ISIS mass-murdering Christians on video:
http://cw39.com/2015/02/16/video-shows-libyan-isis-group-killing-21-egyptian-coptic-christians/
More:
MUSLIM SHOULD EAT WITH JUSTICE :
3: 161. It is not for any Prophet to take illegally a part of booty (Ghulul), and whosoever deceives his companions as regards the booty, he shall bring forth on the Day of Resurrection that which he took (illegally). Then every person shall be paid in full what he has earned, – and they shall not be dealt with unjustly.
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sham has done this before–he is *confirming* that Muslims rob Infidels. The only injunction is for Muslims not to steal these ill-gotten gains *from each other*.
More:
9:34. O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder (them) from the Way of Allâh (i.e. Allâh’s Religion of Islâmic Monotheism). And those who hoard up gold and silver [Al-Kanz: the money, the Zakât of which has not been paid], and spend it not in the Way of Allâh, -announce unto them a painful torment.
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Here he is, castigating Jewish and Christian clerics for not preaching Islam.
Then, he chides Jews and Christians for not spending their money on violent Jihad. No worries, though, since Muslims can just steal their money and use it to fund their murders.
More:
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
A son of Adi ibn Adi al-Kindi said that Umar ibn AbdulAziz wrote (to his governors): If anyone asks about the places where spoils (fay’) should be spent…
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sham loves robbing the Infidels so much, he has to keep coming back to it…
More:
He fixed stipends for Muslims, and provided protection for the people of other religions by levying jizyah (poll-tax) on them…
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Christians and other Infidels paying the crushing Jizya is stipulated under Shari’ah law with other forms of humiliating dhimmitude. This is what sham has in mind for all of us.
More:
Isa[a]stop the jizya, because Money will be in abundance
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 656,657
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. ”””””””Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts). ”””””’
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Actually, this has little to do with money being in abundance. In the Last Days, “Jesus”–really, “Isa”–ends dhimmitude, the small, uncertain space where Christians are allowed to practice their faith, and makes them decide between conversion to Islam or death.
In other words, the role of “Jesus” in Islam is to *kill Christians*:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary WILL SOON DESCEND AMONGST YOU and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it.” Abu Huraira added “If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): — ‘And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e. Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness against them.” (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7) (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 657)
So–sham is citing a Hadith about Muslims murdering Christians to show that it is absurd to think that Muslims would murder Christians.
Is it possible that sham is the worst Da’wa artist ever?
Champ says
“sham” wrote:
I THINK SPENCER HIMSELF PRODUCE THE NEWS ,I EVER SAW A FOOLISH/LAYER PERSON LIKE HIM……
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Ok, Marc, I think it’s time to ban this clown “sham” …this whooper LIE goes beyond the pale!
Tick, tock!
Fred says
Sham. That name fits you well.
X@mailinator.com says
I agree with the leave each other alone thing. Islam and Christianity are not compatable. If they GTFO of the USA, we won’t have a problem. These people are animals.