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Malaysia: Muslim lawyers says Muslims have no right to leave Islam

Apr 8, 2016 2:06 pm By Robert Spencer

Is Muslims Lawyers Association president Datuk Zainul Rijal Abu Bakar an “extremist”? No. A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence.

This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-‘ashriyyah, Al-Ja’fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.”

Qaradawi also once famously said: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn’t exist today.”

Datuk Zainul Rijal Abu Bakar

“Apostasy not a right, Muslim lawyer says,” Malay Mail Online, April 8, 2016 (thanks to Thomas):

KUALA LUMPUR, April 8 ― Apostasy is not a constitutional right, a Muslim lawyer claimed today as he argued that freedom of religion does not include the liberty to leave a faith.

Writing in his column on Malay-language daily Sinar Harian, Muslims Lawyers Association president Datuk Zainul Rijal Abu Bakar said that Article 11 of the Federal Constitution merely accorded Malaysians the right to practise their own faith, but not to switch religions.

“Saying that apostasy is a right for Muslims is straying from the real purpose of the religion,” Zainul said.

“Article 11(1) of the Federal Constitution gives the right for everyone to practise their own religions. That means it gives the right for a Muslim to practice Islam, a Buddhist to practice Buddhism, and so on.

“But that same article does not give the freedom to change religions. Changing of religions must be done according to people’s own religions and according to law,” the lawyer added.

Article 11 of the Federal Constitution provides the freedom for every individual to profess and practice his or her own religion, subject to restrictions on non-Muslims from propagating their faith to Muslims….

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  1. ich says

    Apr 8, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    wow the world is so full of nutjobs

    • mortimer says

      Apr 8, 2016 at 2:29 pm

      ich wrote: ‘nutjobs’.

      Disagree. They are fully sane. It’s the ideology of Sharia law. They are sane and DEADLY serious.

      Western countries must immediately stop further Muslim immigration. Sharia law is incompatible with human rights.

      • katherine says

        Apr 8, 2016 at 8:37 pm

        Something is very wrong here : this article does not clarify that the lawyer featured is NOT a Sharia lawyer but a civil-law practitioner who was supposed to uphold the secular Constitutional Law which, in Malaysia, is based on the Westminster model. We need to question where the logic is, of allowing Islamist biased Muslims to practice in the field of Civil Law which they inherently hate and despise. Why were they given the license and permission to be in a profession which they have vowed to undermine and destroy ?

        This situation is terribly relevant in the EU and US where there are many Muslims practicing civil law – they are in the profession more to undermine western laws than to uphold them.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 8, 2016 at 11:15 pm

          It makes no difference, Katherine. Apostasy is illegal in Malaysia in the “secular” code as well as under Shari’ah law.

          Just look at the travails of Malaysian apostate from Islam Lina Joy.

          Malaysia muddies the waters further by claiming that all ethnic Malays are by definition Muslims.

        • linnte says

          Apr 9, 2016 at 3:04 am

          OK! I found the photos! I uploaded them to photo bucket but now how do you see them?

      • John spielman says

        Apr 9, 2016 at 7:40 am

        That’s because allah/ Satan to nonmuslims does not want to lose any of his disciples

        • Godwin says

          Apr 10, 2016 at 5:43 am

          Not disciples but slaves. Wahahahaha !

      • Bob says

        Apr 9, 2016 at 7:44 am

        Islam is a vicious satanic cult, bent right now in subjecting Europe to barbaric & violent shari’a law. When will our politicos pull their heads out of the sand??

    • Custos Custodum says

      Apr 9, 2016 at 12:42 pm

      He is not a “nutjob” but a well-adapted political animal.

      Note that this guy has the title Datuk. This is similar to the British “Sir,” i.e. he was knighted by his government, perhaps for services to Islam.

      Ethnic Malays within Malaysia are legally deemed to be Muslims by default. There is a large minority of ethnic Chinese, as well as Indians (mainly Tamils) and some non-Malay indigenous peoples, many of whom are Christian.

  2. mortimer says

    Apr 8, 2016 at 2:14 pm

    This is Sharia law. When Muslims put Sharia into the national law, vigilante murder becomes legal.

    Vigilante murder of apostates has been justified by the Al Azhar University fatwa department, Islam’s top Sharia authority.

    In 1992, Islamist militants gunned down Egyptian secularist Farag Foda. Before his death, he had been declared an apostate and enemy of Islam. During the trial of the murderers, Al Azhar scholar Muhammad al-Ghazali testified that when the state fails to punish apostates, somebody else has to do it.

    The “Bill of Legal Punishments” says (p.12), “A person guilty of apostasy (man or woman) shall be put to death if repentance is not made within the period allowed which shall not exceed sixty days. Repentance of a person who commits apostasy more than twice shall not be accepted.”

    Bukhari (84:64-65) – “Allah’s Apostle: ‘During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.’”

    Vigilante murder is normative Islam, rather than an aberration. Vigilante murder is ‘good’ Islam.

  3. mortimer says

    Apr 8, 2016 at 2:44 pm

    A parade of Pakistani lawyers showered Mumtaz Qadri with rose petals at his trial for the murder of a governor he had previously served as a bodyguard.

    Qadri was executed in Pakistan this year, but it was not a foregone conclusion. Qadri was correct to murder the governor under Sharia law, since the governor had become an apostate at war against Sharia law.

    Muslims will soon be doing the same in Western countries, whenever Sharia law is not reinforced by politicians, journalists, teachers, police, etc.

    All Western governments need to make Sharia law illegal on their territories.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 8, 2016 at 3:12 pm

      After Mumtaz Qadri was hanged, some leading Pakistanis called him a hero. The main road between Rawalpindi and the capital Islamabad was blocked by protesters within hours of the hanging.

      “At this time, the sentiments of all Muslims have been injured, and our feelings have been badly hurt. For any Muslim believer – no matter what school of thought he belongs to – Ghazi Mumtaz Qadri is a hero of Islam,” said Tahir Iqbal Chistie, president of Sunni Tehreek, Rawalpindi Chapter, during the protest.

      “He sent to hell a person who showed disrespect for the holy Prophet. What he did was according to the orders of the Quran and the collected reports of what the Prophet Muhammad said and did during his lifetime,” he added.

      The Koran and hadiths are considered examples of vigilantism compulsory to all Muslims.

      • pandirkelana says

        Apr 9, 2016 at 9:46 pm

        This what Liberal Islam Network want to re-enterpretated since this “rule” only valid at the time of early days of Islam when Moslems were very small in number. Liberal Islam want to educate Moslems that “there is no compulsion in religion” that by fundamentalist say that this principle isn’t valid for people who turn back from Islam.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 9, 2016 at 10:26 pm

          pandirkelana wrote:

          This what Liberal Islam Network want to re-enterpretated since this “rule” only valid at the time of early days of Islam when Moslems were very small in number. Liberal Islam want to educate Moslems that “there is no compulsion in religion” that by fundamentalist say that this principle isn’t valid for people who turn back from Islam.
          …………………………

          Yes–the “Muhammed only had to slaughter apostates because Mohammedans were a minority at the time” argument.

          Never mind that Jesus did not murder wavering Christians.

          Besides, this Qur’anic verse quoted was never intended to apply to Muslim apostates, whom the “Prophet” *himself* has murdered.

          And the model of Muhammed is considered valid for all time–which is the reason Muslims are waging violent Jihad and raping nine-year-old girls. There is no time-limit on Muslim savagery.

          And if pandirkelana *really* believed this, why wouldn’t he take it up with his orthodox coreligionists, instead of the good Infidels here at Jihad Watch?

          I generally wish Jaringan Islam Liberal good luck from what I know of them–but if their main aim is to just snow the credulous Kuffar, then they are of no use in any sort of reform.

  4. Rox says

    Apr 8, 2016 at 3:24 pm

    If you can NOT leave a religion under your own free will, than it is a CULT.

  5. nothosaur says

    Apr 8, 2016 at 3:55 pm

    Okay Mr. Lawyer. Since you’re on the subject — does a Buddhist or Christian have the right to change leave his religion to join Islam?

    • Godwin says

      Apr 8, 2016 at 10:01 pm

      Yes, they are free to join Islam without any punishment, n also those Satanic ones.

    • Dacritic says

      Apr 9, 2016 at 6:25 am

      What he means, my friend, is that it’s a bloody, Satanic one-way street.

  6. linnte says

    Apr 8, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    And people BELIEVE this? Brain dead zombies.

  7. Angemon says

    Apr 8, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    KUALA LUMPUR, April 8 ― Apostasy is not a constitutional right, a Muslim lawyer claimed today as he argued that freedom of religion does not include the liberty to leave a faith.

    That’s why we in the West have freedom of religion and freedom from religion. You can practice whatever religion you want, as long it’s not against the law, and you can’t force others to practice a religion. That’s because in the West, virtue is something that comes from within, not something that’s enforced from above.

  8. R Cole says

    Apr 8, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    One of the argument Muslims make in the west is that Islam cannot be separated from the individual who practices it.

    This is broadly understood – to justify the claim that criticism of the Islamic ideology – is an act of intolerance against the Muslim person.

    For someone to question the stoning of women or the list of other questionable aspects of the religion of Islam – then there could be a case made against them for ‘racism’.

    Similarly casting doubt on the assertion that sharia law is compatible with the US Constitution or western law which guarantees the right of the individual – regardless of religion – is increasingly being labeled intolerant.

    Islam the Powerful Hallucinogen

    However the idea of the inseparable nature of Islam from the person – likely stems from the belief that no Muslim should be allowed to leave their religion of Islam – [and here’s the contradiction] and further – the life of those who do abandon Islam loses its worth – and therefore the individual can be justifiably put to death.

    It is a fundamental Muslim belief that all people are born Muslim – and that all the rascal, objectionable and murderous things Muhammad did in his lifetime (that conditioned Muslims explain away ~ as god’s will) – are born to all humanity and they just don’t know it yet. Such that when a person becomes a Muslim – they are viewed as reverts rather than converts.

    ::

    In all we must be clear what we believe about religious freedom and freedom of expression – these are values worth fighting for. Because the alternative is not the scorn of the absent minded Leftwinger – the alternative is the theocratic state – and the abolition of the hard won rights and freedoms with it.

  9. satch1 says

    Apr 8, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    Amazing! If they cant follow the religion of Satan given Muhammad for his book of Quran,.then you must die? How interesting! You will meet the father Satan of Lies even sooner then ! But Jesus Christ is their Only hope, if they would only realize!

    • Champ says

      Apr 8, 2016 at 8:00 pm

      “But Jesus Christ is their Only hope, if they would only realize!”

      Indeed, I second that! A changed heart is a powerful weapon against evil.

  10. Tommy Peters says

    Apr 8, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    He brings clarity to Muslims. It is the non-Muslims who are confused. Note, he is not including those deemed ‘Muslims’ by clerical (pardon the pun) error. In a nutshell, Datuk Zainul is saying:- Islam is a done deal for Muslims. Political Islam, deals with non-Muslims.

  11. No Fear says

    Apr 9, 2016 at 12:21 am

    Given the Shariah penalty for apostasy, who in their right mind would join Islam?
    Only fascists !

    • No Fear says

      Apr 9, 2016 at 12:25 am

      May I add that anyone who tries to enforce Sharia on me has decided to become my political enemy. I will defend myself at all costs.

      • pandirkelana says

        Apr 9, 2016 at 9:56 pm

        Not only you, a non-Moslem! We, Islam Nusantara (Indonesian Moslems), are fighting with fundamental Islam and Islamist who want our republic turn to chalifate under sharia law.

  12. Infidel from Down Under says

    Apr 9, 2016 at 2:38 am

    Never yet heard of a muslim leaving Islam to marry a Christian but I hear all the time of Christians stupidly converting to Islam to marry a muslim which they so often later regret

    • Dacritic says

      Apr 9, 2016 at 6:20 am

      Yes, 1 Peter 3:15 needs to be drummed into every mind of those who profess to be Christians. Not only in Malaysia but the whole world over.

  13. Dacritic says

    Apr 9, 2016 at 6:18 am

    “Freedom in religion does not include the liberty to leave a faith.”

    Then what the hell is the “freedom in religion” for then?

  14. Dacritic says

    Apr 9, 2016 at 6:23 am

    Er, sorry “Datuk”. As far as I know, in ANY other religion in Malaysia (and the world), they are free to come and go. Only in Islam does your interpretation of this “freedom of religion” applies.

  15. David says

    Apr 9, 2016 at 6:54 am

    The further insanity of SATAN’S people! What else need be said? If your not yet convinced that these creatures are followers of the dark prince himself then nothing will convince you!
    These folks have done one important thing. By convincing millions around the world that SATAN is their god, millions of Christians have been make stronger in the faith.
    A preparation for future events in these, the end times.

  16. d swami says

    Apr 9, 2016 at 9:49 am

    Mahoundians have no rights in Islam as long as they continue to be Mahoundians…Allah never says, ‘please’ or ‘thank you’…Sharia law is not a list of ‘rights’…

  17. Richie says

    Apr 9, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    Telling [people they can’t leave makes Islam seem like a cult

  18. D says

    Apr 10, 2016 at 1:28 am

    They also have no right to force it onto others and kill in its name!

  19. Guest says

    Apr 10, 2016 at 1:32 am

    “If they had gotten rid of the Apothy punishment Islam wouldn’t exist today.”

    Does that mean no one really believes in Allah and Islam is just a cult of rapists and murderers?

    • Ralph Baker says

      Apr 10, 2016 at 1:01 pm

      Young Muslims are taught to recite the Koran in Arabic but are sternly dissuaded from understanding its meaning. Four fifths of Muslims do not even speak modern Arabic, let alone the archaic form the Koran is written in.

      Generally speaking, only those Muslims who are committed enough to want to become Islamic Religious leaders or “Imams” learn about Mohammed’s life. The rest are expected to follow directions from these leaders who tend to keep this knowledge to themselves.

      To be a Muslim means to accept that Mohammed was the perfect Human Being. His life is the example for all Muslims to follow in every way possible.

      Of course not all Muslims are very successful in this endeavour but the level of devoutness of a Muslim is judged by how closely he follows Mohammed’s example and teachings. This fact is not disputed in Islam. That is why it is so important to know his story. There is even a word to describe Mohammed’s behaviour, which is “Sunnah”

      Fighting against Islam?
      A new weapon is now available.
      You can read it for free online.

      This book is the weapon that will destroy Islam. It pulls back the curtain to reveal the hideous truth about the Islamic deception. Most importantly, it does this in a way which the Politically Correct will read. Once they have read it they simply cannot deny it.
      http://thestoryofmohammed.blogspot.com.au/p/blog-page.html

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