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Muslims using German military as a training ground for jihad

Apr 13, 2016 12:22 pm By Robert Spencer

“The fact that Sascha B – whose full name was withheld due to privacy considerations – had converted to Islam before joining the military was considered irrelevant by his employers.” Of course. Any other course of action would have been “Islamophobic.”

“According MAD, 29 former Bundeswehr soldiers have travelled to Syria and Iraq to join extremist groups, and 65 active soldiers are under investigation on suspicion of Islamist tendencies. Since 2007, 22 soldiers have been classified as Islamists, all of whom have either been dismissed or have left the military.” The solution? Keep bringing Muslims into the Bundeswehr, and more Muslim migrants into Germany. What could possibly go wrong?

Bundeswehr

“Are Islamists using the German military as training ground?,” by Michael Fischer and Susann Prautsch, DPA, April 12, 2016:

Berlin (dpa) – Sascha B was a calm, competent and sociable young man, moving steadily through the ranks of the German military over the course of three years as he trained Bundeswehr recruits in the use of infantry weapons.

The fact that Sascha B – whose full name was withheld due to privacy considerations – had converted to Islam before joining the military was considered irrelevant by his employers.

The changes were creeping. At the age of 26, he started growing his beard, wearing Middle Eastern garments in his free time and going AWOL on occasion.

Suspicions only arose when he refused to train reservists shortly after members of his unit were sent to Afghanistan, justifying his stance by saying the weapons could be used against his fellow Muslims.

Called in by his company commander, Sascha B refused to trim his beard according to army regulations, citing the German constitutional commitment to freedom of worship and threatening to organize a demonstration in front of his barracks.

When officials from the military counterintelligence service (MAD) interrogated him, Sascha B made plain that he saw sharia law as superior to the German constitution and that for him every conversation was Dawa – a missionary call to Islam.

It also became apparent that Sascha B was frequenting mosques run by the ultra-conservative Salafist school of Islam.

“If I am able to choose between two evils – the Bundeswehr and having no income – I will decide for the lesser evil and stay in the military,” he told the MAD officials.

His dismissal from the Bundeswehr followed shortly thereafter. Sascha B still does not see himself as an extremist and regards the action taken against him as unjustified.

The case – dating back to 2010 – was the first of its kind to draw wider public attention. At the time hardly anyone had heard of the Islamic State extremist group, and few were worried by the idea that young Muslims in Europe could be recruited for jihad.

According MAD, 29 former Bundeswehr soldiers have travelled to Syria and Iraq to join extremist groups, and 65 active soldiers are under investigation on suspicion of Islamist tendencies. Since 2007, 22 soldiers have been classified as Islamists, all of whom have either been dismissed or have left the military.

“We perceive a risk that the Bundeswehr may be used as a training ground for potentially violent Islamists,” says MAD chief Christof Gramm….

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  1. RichardL says

    Apr 13, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    I am a German reserve officer and have met Islamists in the army. The political climate forbids officers to point out these jihadis. People listened and did nothing because it would have ended their career.

    So well done, MAD!

    • mortimer says

      Apr 13, 2016 at 1:02 pm

      Agree with RL as ex-military: there are obviously Salafite Islamists in every Western military. They are fifth columnists awaiting the moment to betray. Though most military Salafites may lack the courage to commit violence from within the system, there are some who will be ready for suicide-‘martyrdom’…such as Major Dr. Nidal Hasan.

      Without frequent lie-detector tests and questioning of Muslim loyalties, it is hard to know why Muslims would be loyal to the countries whose uniforms they wear. Would such Muslim soldiers be able to fight against ISIS, for instance?

      • nicu says

        Apr 13, 2016 at 1:18 pm

        A Muslim always is a Muslim and he never would fight another radical Muslim !

        • Michael Copeland says

          Apr 13, 2016 at 3:39 pm

          “The muslim nation is one nation to the exclusion of all others”,
          Placard in Oxford Street
          (ThinkAfricaPress)

    • nicu says

      Apr 13, 2016 at 1:15 pm

      Shame on merkel !

      If the civil war comes – the native citizens of germany are lost – police , army , government , lefties and muslims will fight them – US !

    • john spielman says

      Apr 13, 2016 at 3:29 pm

      so expect another mass killing aka Major NidalHassan in the USA

    • Polk1970 says

      Apr 13, 2016 at 6:40 pm

      If they’re under investigation,,they cannot be assigned to normal duties.
      In combat,they can easily turn their weapons on their fellow German soldiers.,and even now,there’s all kinds of espionage and sabotage they may be committing
      It’s a terrible situation and it’s present in most Western Armed Forces

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Apr 13, 2016 at 11:36 pm

      Richard.

      You are there. You know that Islam is dangerous.

      Keep an eye on them. As someone else said: remember who they are and where they are. Scary thought, though, is this: the ones who *identify publicly* as Muslims, the ones who are either native German converts proudly proclaiming their conversion to Islam, or ‘raised Muslim’ persons of non-German ethnicity who are *also* proudly proclaiming their conversion or at least not concealing their Muslim names [e.g. Mohammed, Ahmed, Ali] are far less dangerous, because **visible** and **traceable**, than those who are *concealing* their Muslim identity (whether from conversion or upbringing) under non-Muslim names and pretended secular or other-faith observance.

      Here’s an article by Australian scholar Rev Dr Mark Durie, on the subject of “Insider Killings in Afghanistan”. He compares the ‘insider killings’ of Alliance soldiers by Afghan Muslim soldiers or ‘trainees’, with the Muslim killings of Dutch people during the Colonial era in Indonesia. You will see the relevance of it at once. I am sure that Durie would be happy for you to translate it into German and discreetly share it around.

      http://markdurie.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/insider-killings-in-afghanistan.html

      FRIDAY, AUGUST 24, 2012
      ‘Insider Killings’ in Afghanistan

      “…Snouck Hurgronje also explained that the practice of deceit – manifested in feigned friendship leading to what we would now call ‘insider killings’ – can be derived from the dogmas of Islam and specifically from religious attitudes to infidels…”.

      Muslims in any Infidel army, police force or private security company in an Infidel country constitute Fifth Columnists. *None* can be trusted.

      And the worst of all are the converts who conceal their conversion to Islam and then act as saboteurs: look up “Nuaym bin Mas’ud”. *That*’s what really gives me the creeps.

  2. Aron says

    Apr 13, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    Return of Hitler’s Germany

    The demographic take over of Germany and then its Army by Islamists would be de facto return of the Third Reich.

    • nicu says

      Apr 13, 2016 at 1:16 pm

      aha – 3rd reich by islamists ?

      It will destroy everything Non – Muslim !

      why you guys always come with Hitler ? the new dictator is Merkel and she hates germany !

  3. Walter Sieruk says

    Apr 13, 2016 at 1:17 pm

    As for Muslims training for the militant jihad in through the military in Germany of any other country ,for that matter the outcome is the same. Which is terrible bloody and deadly Islamic violence .This specific type of Islamic violence the training of Western governments were used as tools for.that demonic jihadist cause. Furthermore, much of this jihad violent and murderous preparing for and intent is based in the teachings of violence and killing that is instructed in the Koran. As found in ,for example , 4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47;4.So for a better more full understanding of the actual nature of the Koran a person need to look back in time before the coming of Muhammad and then the Koran. Back to the First Century AD which was the time of early Christian church. For the Early Christian Church had and now in modern times the Christian church still has the Gospel of Christ, First Corinthians 15:1-4. Much later, in time, came Muhammad and he gave much information, that many believe to be divine, some of which is said to have been obtained from an angle from heaven. This information was written down on different objects and things Those written words in different objects was then compiled together and then eventually went into the composition of what is now called the Koran, As some also call it the Qur’an. The Koran is actually, that is in reality, another gospel, apart and greatly different from the Gospel of the Christian Church. Such a thing was predicted in the Bible. For the Bible does warn about those who will come and offer to people another gospel other than the one shown above, First Corinthians 15:1-4. For it is warned about any other “gospel” in the Bible. For it is written in the Bible “Though we or an angle from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so I say now again, if any man preaches any other gospel unto you than ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8, 9. [K.J.V.] Therefore, the Koran is the result of the deception of a false prophet, Mathew 7:15., who may have come in contact with a fallen angle, a demon, So the imams and mullahs who preach it a truth to other are accused of and by God.

    • Gary says

      Apr 14, 2016 at 3:47 am

      Excellent Points Walter!

      And millions continue to walk in darkness………

      Islam: A lie from the father of all lies – Satan.

    • Rich says

      Apr 14, 2016 at 11:51 am

      Yes, Walter. Islam is the Beast of Revelation and Daniel and it’s last form will be a renewed Ottoman Empire under Erdogan. But the secular, liberal world doesn’t know that or doesn’t care, so they keep working their plans to undermine western civilization while the stupid onlookers wonder about motives. Very frustrating but we will have our day.

  4. EmHotep says

    Apr 13, 2016 at 3:35 pm

    Germany has already been taken over, in 30 yrs her population will be majority of muslims. Merkel is the best friend of Tayyip Erdogan Turkish dictator.

    In addition Turkish ruling party AKP has over a million supporters in Germany which are already organised for future rebellion..

    Germany supported islam and now facing the consequences..

    • abad says

      Apr 13, 2016 at 8:22 pm

      Germany is no longer German – it is Muslim to its very core.

      Within the next 10 years – if not earlier – every single German-built monument, church, building of any kind will be demolished by Muslims and mosques built over them.

      Make. Bed. Lie.

  5. Angemon says

    Apr 13, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    Treason, plain and simple.

  6. underbed cat says

    Apr 13, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    We are talking about Germany, ah what about diversity in the U.S. . how did Hassan get into the military….oh that is right isis is not islamic? huh?…Why are there mosques near every military base?
    I am slightly confused. or am I. According to the rules they don’t have to do combat unless they choose to..support…but is that not crazy?

    From what I know about islam they are forbidden to fight with infidels against other muslims.

    • TheBuffster says

      Apr 14, 2016 at 9:42 am

      The Koran forbids Muslims to take the part of kafirs against Muslims. If a Muslim does that, he’s considered to be one of the kafirs.

  7. Wellington says

    Apr 13, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    Best to assume in the West that for Muslims, regardless of which particular Western nation they reside in, it will always be “Ummah uber alles.”

  8. Sam says

    Apr 13, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    “Muslims using German military as a training ground for jihad”

    I am pretty sure that Germans “vetted” the Muslim candidate for their military.

    What a f****** joke. The world is getting REAL CRAZY.

  9. linnte says

    Apr 13, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    Qur’an verse 33:48 and obey not the disbelievers and harm them not(in revenge for harming you) until you are ORDERED. (CAPS mine).

    Per ISIS, 500,000 Jihadis have entered Europe. And they are simply waiting for the command. Jesus HELP Europe!

  10. dumbledoresarmy says

    Apr 13, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    From the article – “It also became apparent that Sascha B was frequenting mosques run by the ultra-conservative Salafist school of Islam.”

    In other words: Mosques that taught classical Sunni Islam, Islam ‘pur et dur’.

    I’d like to know – *which* mosques, exactly?

    And why are they still in operation? Why have they not been surprise-raided, searched from top to bottom, and – when the hidden weapons, or the traces of explosives, or the incendiary jihad-inciting texts, or the fake passports or the counterfeit money stashes or the illegal drugs or whatever, were uncovered – shut down, and razed to the ground, and the imam/s and other important official personages given a boot up the backside, out of Germany, back to the Dar al Islam??

    Alternativ fur Deutschland should be publicly demanding that these discreetly-nameless ‘mosques’ that are feeding the likes of ‘Sascha B’, be investigated, *thoroughly*. that they be surprise-raided and searched. That they be SHUT DOWN, permanently.

    Our German posters and lurkers here should be writing to ‘Alternativ fur Deutschland’ and urging them to get on the case.

    Mosques are the key. Oh yeah, Islam uses the internet, youtube, twitter, etc. But the heart and soul and local nerve-centre and focus and fort of Islam is the mosque. If it weren’t… why are they in such a hurry to build the damn things every couple of km all over the world???

    I encourage every European jihadwatcher here present to obtain and read ex-Muslim Sam Solomon’s very sobering and useful book, “Al Hijra: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration” and another little book by the same author, VERY important, “The Mosque and its role in Society” (that is, in *Islamic* society). If you are reading here, you can read English and therefore can read Mr Solomon’s book. But I’d encourage you, once you’ve got it, to hammer out unofficial translations, chapter by chapter, and spread *those* far and wide, to reach those in your countries who *don’t* read English.

    Another good book, not too long, that shows the significance of the Mosque and other Islamic infrastructure, is ex-Muslim Canon Patrick Sookhdeo’s little case study, “Islam in Britain”. Read it together with Sam Solomon’s book and you get a pretty good picture of how Islamisation works; and the *central* role of the mosque.

    If, even at this late, late hour, even one country in Europe can muster the courage to **tackle the mosques head on** – to stop any more from being built, and then to gradually get rid of those already present – just *that* will put a spanner in the works of islamisation.

    *Every* Islamoaware European jihadwatcher ought to be contacting the *Greek* government and telling them NOT to build a mosque in Athens. Tell them it will just be a military base for Islam and will feed Muslim triumphalism. It WONT pacify the Muslims; it will embolden them, give them a fortress. Greece must change their mind, BAN this proposed mosque, tell the mohammedans to go jump… and THEN … **go after the ‘unofficial’ mosques and raze *them* to the ground, one after the other**. Every time one pops up, shut it down.

  11. paraquat says

    Apr 14, 2016 at 2:21 am

    Muslims serve in the army of NATO countries, receive sophisticated military training (including knowledge on how to fight terrorists), and then use their newly acquired skills to attack the infidels.

    Gosh, who would have thunk it?

  12. Paul Weston says

    Apr 14, 2016 at 5:44 am

    “German Defense Minister Thomas de Maizière announced his intention to “multiculturalize” the German Bundeswehr (Federal Defense Force) during a June 20 headhunting mission to the Turkish capital Ankara, where he declared: “I want the [German] army to be representative of a cross-section of the German population.”

    “Defence Minister Malziere has been trying to jump-start the recruitment of German Turks by offering them some unique incentives to sign up for military service. Maizière’s trip to Ankara, for example, was aimed at persuading the Turkish government to waive the compulsory military service requirement in Turkey for those individuals who possess Turkish-German dual nationality and who serve at least 15 months in the German army.”

    The quotes above were taken from a Soeren Kern article at the Gatestone Institute in 2012: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3160/european-armies-recruiting-muslim-soldiers

    One issue which was not addressed is how many Muslims (Turkish or otherwise) are actually serving in the German army. I cannot find figures and ask that any one who knows the numbers leaves a comment here at Jihadwatch.

  13. GeoffM says

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:05 am

    All western armed forces are under pressure to recruit Muslims. This is utter madness but insanity seems to be the default setting of our political class.

    Here is an article on the British Army. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/06/british-army-recruit-muslims-low-number-iraq-afghanistan

  14. Dean says

    Apr 14, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    In times of relativistic dissolution, people like Robert are the unsung heroes. He has warned from the beginning that the purpose of branding somone Islamophobic was to stop critical examination of this ideology masquerading as a religion. And the success of this gem of multiculturalism has intellectually and politically disarmed the intended victims of the invasion.

  15. Baucent says

    Apr 15, 2016 at 4:16 am

    Only a matter of time before we read of an attack on German soldiers by a fellow soldier, who just happened to be a muslim. It’s inevitable.

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