All women should have the right to dress as they wish? When will Sciences Po hold a day for Aqsa Parvez, whose Muslim father choked her to death with her hijab after she refused to wear it? When will Sciences Po celebrate the memory of Aqsa and Amina Muse Ali, a Christian woman in Somalia whom Muslims murdered because she wasn’t wearing a hijab? And of the 40 women who were murdered in Iraq in 2007 for not wearing the hijab; and of Alya Al-Safar, whose Muslim cousin threatened to kill her and harm her family because she stopped wearing the hijab in Britain; and of Amira Osman Hamid, who faces whipping in Sudan for refusing to wear the hijab; and of the Egyptian girl, also named Amira, who committed suicide after being brutalized for her family for refusing to wear the hijab; and of the Muslim and non-Muslim teachers at the Islamic College of South Australia who were told that they had to wear the hijab or be fired; and of the women in Chechnya whom police shot with paintballs because they weren’t wearing hijab; and of the women also in Chechnya who were threatened by men with automatic rifles for not wearing hijab; and of the elementary school teachers in Tunisia who were threatened with death for not wearing hijab; and of the Syrian schoolgirls who were forbidden to go to school unless they wore hijab; and of the women in Gaza whom Hamas has forced to wear hijab; and of the women in Iran who protested against the regime by daring to take off their legally-required hijab; and of the women in London whom Muslim thugs threatened to murder if they didn’t wear hijab; and of the anonymous young Muslim woman who doffed her hijab outside her home and started living a double life in fear of her parents, and all the other women and girls who have been killed or threatened, or who live in fear for daring not to wear the hijab?
When is their day? When will anyone stand in solidarity with them? Those who taunt or brutalize hijab-wearing women are louts and creeps, and should be prosecuted if they commit any acts of violence. At the same time, the women who don’t wear hijab in Muslim countries are far more likely to be victims of violence than hijabis in the West. Who speaks for them?

“‘Hijab Day’ at Paris university divides opinion,” by Fran Blandy and Laetitia Beraud, AFP, April 20, 2016:
Paris (AFP) – Students at an elite Paris university sparked fierce debate Wednesday by inviting classmates to wear the Muslim veil for a day in a bid to “demystify” a practice that is highly divisive in France.
Students at Sciences Po urged women to take part in Hijab Day “if you too think all women should have the right to dress as they wish and have their choice respected”.
France is grappling with rising Islamophobia after a wave of terror attacks by jihadists, and the students’ Facebook page said that those agreeing to put on the veil would “experience the stigmatisation experienced by veiled women in France”.
A dozen students handed out flyers at the university by a table covered in colourful headscarves with a sign reading: “France got 99 problems but Hijab ain’t one”, adapted from a hit by US rapper Jay Z.
“It is to raise awareness, open the debate and give the floor to women who are often debated on in public but rarely heard,” said Laetitia, one of the organisers.
Another student, Imen, said she wore a veil for the first time Wednesday morning on the metro and felt “stares” in her direction.
The organisers’ Facebook page lashed out at Prime Minister Manuel Valls who earlier this month said the veil was being used as a political symbol for the “enslavement of women”.
France has banned the full-face veil in public places, and Valls said the headscarf was being used by some as a challenge to the country’s prized secular society.
His comments came after the minister for women’s rights sparked a furore last month when she compared veiled women to “negroes who accepted slavery”….
Angemon says
An “elite university”? You mean, a leftist indoctrination centre.
I think women should have the right to dress as they wish and have their choice respected. Which they do in the West. Not in muslim countries though. Are you folks going to travel to, let’s say, Iran or Saudi Arabia, and campaign for it? If not, why?
I remember a recent experience of this kind. An Iranian, non-muslim woman wore the hijab to experience the discrimination felt by muslim women in the US. She concluded that when she wore the hijab people actually treated her better. Her conclusion? Racism was endemic in America.
Paul says
Paris of all places, after everything that has happened. Should
anyone be surprised that leftist ‘intellectuals’ (!) there are now
doubling down in such a shameful way? I’m not.
Jerry says
Good grief, what silliness. Is this kindergarten nonsense really going to make a difference in the world of murder and rape for allah? I mean, c’mon. This childish diversity training reveals all too well where the establishment is right now with all this. Later we’re going to have cake and ice cream, that is if they don’t kill us first.
Jay Boo says
If only nine year old Aisha had worn a hijab then Muhammad might have been able to control his perverted lust.
Instead, Muhammad invented a foul excuse called Islam that says nine year old girls will face the angry wrath of Allah and dirty old rapists like Muhammad if they fail to wear their head scarf.
Jerry says
…Muhammad invented a foul excuse called Islam
Then all the other camel-humpers joined him in his “godly” pursuit of robbing, hating, and raping. And that’s why we have the problems we do today, because those traditions of evil and hate have so warmed the hearts of muslims they can’t let it go. You’d think over time they’d improve their morality enough to say, “Hey, we can’t do this, our god’s a devil!” No such luck. No wonder they’re so sensitive about their faith, one can see at a glance that it is evil.
There’s no future for America with islam. Not unless we want our future to be filled with religious barbarity, hate, and murderous bigotry.
rev g says
Next week, skip school day. Everyone is urged to skip school in support of educational opportunity.
Makes as much sense as wearing a symbol of second-class stature to promote freedom of choice.
mortimer says
Women, do join us for ‘Let’s Celebrate Misogyny Day’.
Get submissive…Feminists welcome!
JawsV says
“Students at Sciences Po urged women to take part in Hijab Day “if you too think all women should have the right to dress as they wish and have their choice respected.”
Uh, concerning Moslem women’s various “coverings” it’s more complicated than that.
Lucretius says
You’re right. Here, in under three minutes, is a precise guide to the dos and don’ts of Muslima attire.
http://youtu.be/6NvbKbuXKJQ
Panmelia says
Was this whole video a satirical spoof with a comedian acting as an imam or whatever, interspersed with comments and comical expressions.
Or was it a real maniac muzrat armed with a baton to whack any woman who didn’t dress properly?
This is a serious question, I can’t distinguish the real thing from a parody anymore when it comes to the ridiculousness of islam.
Lucretius says
The imam is not acting, but the comments like “seek Allah’s forgiveness, Suzie!” and the bits where a guy appears to roll his eyes just after the imam sniffs for perfume were edited in by the creator, IntrovertedSmiles.
Mockingjay says
You’re so right asking that question, Panmelia!
Really, if you look at it, islam is just one big absurd parody of itself.
Like that sheikh who said “if we didn’t have the death penalty for leaving islam, islam wouldn’t exist today”. If that isn’t an absurd bit of parody, I don’t know what is.
gravenimage says
Huda TV is a real thing:
http://www.huda.tv/
But the young guy with the short beard making faces between segments appears to be a Muslim apostate:
Champ says
Lucretius, thank you for this video. And the only thing that islam is good for is *mocking* it!
linnte says
You’d think PARIS of all places would “get” it. Geeze!
Westman says
Mais il est tellement à la mode !
particolor says
The ONLY Answer to that is ..”ER DUH ?” From the Dhimmi Frog Prince :
David says
The muslim head covering, its real purpose is to mark the wearer as the symbolic “bride of SATAN “. This goes back thousands of years. I thought everyone knew this.
So! Just why would any non-SATAN worshiper ever ware one? Simply out of ignorance.
mortimer says
No. The real purpose of the Islamic veil is inheritance.
The veil hides the identity and looks of the women from non-family members. Only family members may see the woman. This allows the inheritance to remain in the family.
Simply, exogamy takes wealth out of the family, clan and tribe.
Westman says
Certainly, all women have the right to dress within the limits of the law. This might not include nudity.
“..all women should have the right to dress as they wish and have their choice respected..” is patently false in Islam, from conception.
If this “respect” was true, Muslimas and Muslim men would not be calling Western women sluts, whores, etc.
Must all respect a woman covered with tatoos, metal, and strange colored hair, or, a woman with a head covering in 105 degree weather? The right? Tolerated? Yes, by all means, no cat calls, no put downs, no denigration.
Respect? That is earned
This cartoon is more honest than any dialogue:
https://religion317.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/cartoon.jpeg?w=974
DFD says
Hi folks, a bit off topic, but here’s some good news.
Brief recap, the AfD is a new German party, founded only 3 years ago, and by now in between 2nd and 4th place… Frau Frauke Petry, leader of the party, has already stated that the federal border police and the regular police at the borders should use and employ the constitutional right, and duty, to repel anyone who wants to cross the border illegally or without sufficient reason, by use of firearms – after a warning of course.
The new party manifesto will be issued in two weeks. However, they have already released some of what will be in there, namely, and enjoy!:
1) An end to the defamation of critics of Islam as Islamophobes, Racists etc. That will become illegal.
2) Prohibition for unconstitutional organizations to build and / or to operate mosques
3) Prohibition of the financing of mosques by Islamic states or foreign financiers
4) Any imams will have to educated in German universities and in German (not Arabic or any other language)
5) Prohibition of minarets and muezzin prayer calls
6) Denial of the status of a “public rights body/institution” (my best possible translation of the actual German, I think you can guess the meaning) of all Islamic organizations.
7) Prohibition of Burqas in public
8) Prohibition of any type of headscarf for teachers and pupils / students
You can guess, the enemedia (what Pamela Geller calls them) exploded, NSDAP comparisons, the usual bull… However, there’s a highly – if not extremely – significant exception, the ‘Bild Zeitung’, probably Europe’s largest tabloid, the (financial) flagship of the Springer Verlag, Europe’s equivalent to Murdoch.
They seem to have recently began to disengage from the “hurrah for refugees” theatre clap trap. Perhaps the magnates are sensitive to were, and on what, we spend our money, just a thought. Be that as it may, the Bild Zeitung articled that it is unwise for the major parties to condemn, and to badmouth the AfD. Instead, they should be engaged in dialogue, and then proven to be wrong. They stated further that a large part of the views of populace should not be ignored, or ridden rough-shot over by the mainstream parties. Which is a tell tale, coming from such a paper. Consider this, and smile, the AfD is polled with 15% currently, but many of those questioned don’t want to be slandered as Islamophobes, Nazis etc. Before the German Super-Sunday the AfD polled a mere 7-9% at best. However, it averaged ~20%, and in Saxony it put the CDU in the second or third place. To put that into context, until about 10 or 15 years ago the CDU and the SPD pulled between them something like 80-90%. Merkel has practically taken the CDU from the right center / conservative to the left of the SPD, which is now more left than ever. They current poll is ~38-39% for the CDU, whilst the SDP is down to it’s lowest in modern German history, 19%… And, as said, AfD 15%, after existing for only 3 years. Take heart Trump supporters, you are on the right track.
People, it gets better.
Many, or at least some of you, will remember Helmut Kohl, chancellor of reunification, chummy with Ronny Reagan. It was stipulated or understood that NATO stays where it is, and even the Bundeswehr would not move into the former east Germany. Fat chance, Kohl had the Bundeswehr in east Germany within weeks, and thus NATO. And continued to press for and prepare NATO’s eastern expansion. Even his friend Reagan was rather sceptical if that could be pulled off. In essence, Kohl is the grand old man of European politics, if not western politics, I think he’s the oldest of the survivors. He’s now 86 and wheelchair bound, and everyday counts…
Right, scene is set. Despite his frailness and long term absence from politics he invited an active, serving politician, whom he never met and who is many years his junior, for a personal visit, and a full hour at that! And a head of state on top of that – who duly came and attended. Practically an audience, guess whom: Victor Orban! One hour. The press was out in force, but preselected by Kohl’s guards. Victor Orban presented flowers and they talked. There was a joined statement and two personal comments. The statement was that Mrs. Merkel runs Germany and her politics are good – so said Victor Orban, and Kohl. Diplomatically.
Victor Orban said as a personal comment that a gentleman, or dean, like Mr. Kohl should not be pressed into current politics, and instead should be able to enjoy his peace and remaining time.
Helmut Kohl said as a personal comment that it was wrong to let such a vast, uncontrollable number of refugees into Europe, and Germany. He said further that it is right for Europe to help in such a humanitarian catastrophe to the utmost of its abilities – in their home or safe countries. Which can provide them with a compatible environment. And then added that Victor Orban ran his country wisely. (I translated as much as I transliterated).
Voctor Orban left beaming, like a kid who received his most desired present at an early Christmas.
Personally, I think Merkel is drooling venom and looking for a voodoo priest. And perhaps resents the day she stabbed Kohl, her former mentor, in the back. Ah, sweet justice, how does it go? Revenge tastes best when enjoyed cold. Revenge? How about, vendetta?!
I trust you liked, and enjoyed, the off topic news…
Regards all, DFD
(And forgive me for a bit of cross posting 🙂 )
Hope says
Rock on, AfD and Frau Frauke Petry!
ECAW says
Thanks for the update. AfD’s policies sound sensible and possibly achievable after enough jihadist atrocities have taken place.
I take it they don’t want collective punishment (of the families of terrorists) or taxation without representation (ie no Muslims to be allowed in public office) or refer to their opponents as turds or skanks, as our own Liberty GB does, I’m sorry to say.
ps it’s rough-shod…no firearms involved 🙂
DFD says
ECAW says: “………ps it’s rough-shod…”
Spoilsport!
dumbledoresarmy says
Next up, “wear a Swastika armband day” to show solidarity with all those poor misunderstood Neo-Nazis…
gravenimage says
Yup.
A KKK hood would be a great idea, as well…
Peggy says
Only for extgremely ugly people.
ECAW says
Top an apostate day.
Mischief Maker in the Land says
How about “Papua New Guinea Day” ?
See http://theplanetd.com/a-feast-to-remember-in-papua-indonesia
Peggy says
So unless women dress up like tents they will see it as that those women think that women shouldn’t have the right to dress as they want.
Do as we tell you or we will brand you racist.
Maybe we with to exercise our right to dress as we want and not dress the way some ask us to for any reason.
Ashley says
All women should have the right to dress as they wish? When will Sciences Po hold a day for Aqsa Parvez, whose Muslim father choked her to death with her hijab after she refused to wear it? When will Sciences Po celebrate the memory of Aqsa and Amina Muse Ali, a Christian woman in Somalia whom Muslims murdered because she wasn’t wearing a hijab? And of the 40 women who were murdered in Iraq in 2007 for not wearing the hijab; and of Alya Al-Safar, whose Muslim cousin threatened to kill her and harm her family because she stopped wearing the hijab in Britain; and of Amira Osman Hamid, who faces whipping in Sudan for refusing to wear the hijab; and of the Egyptian girl, also named Amira, who committed suicide after being brutalized for her family for refusing to wear the hijab; and of the Muslim and non-Muslim teachers at the Islamic College of South Australia who were told that they had to wear the hijab or be fired; and of the women in Chechnya whom police shot with paintballs because they weren’t wearing hijab; and of the women also in Chechnya who were threatened by men with automatic rifles for not wearing hijab; and of the elementary school teachers in Tunisia who were threatened with death for not wearing hijab; and of the Syrian schoolgirls who were forbidden to go to school unless they wore hijab; and of the women in Gaza whom Hamas has forced to wear hijab; and of the women in Iran who protested against the regime by daring to take off their legally-required hijab; and of the women in London whom Muslim thugs threatened to murder if they didn’t wear hijab; and of the anonymous young Muslim woman who doffed her hijab outside her home and started living a double life in fear of her parents, and all the other women and girls who have been killed or threatened, or who live in fear for daring not to wear the hijab?
____________
Bravo, Robert!
Good grief. Robert gave numerous examples of the fate that may befall the women who DON’T wear the hijab. For many women, they either wear it or face dire consequences, including death.
It isn’t a style “choice” for many of these women…
Wellington says
The essence of why this nonsense continues is the refusal to see Islam as a giant negative.
But it is.
Huge negative.
Actually, Mo’s creed is, no contest here, the best disguised and longest-lived form of evil ever devised by man. Hell, it makes other totalitarian ideologies like Marxism and Nazism look like JV players (this last comment is especially meant for, and directed to, the doofus still occupying the Oval Office).
And so as long as Islam, ALL OF IT, is not seen as a mortal enemy of liberty, women’s rights, equality under the law, visual depictions of God as magnificently created by someone like Michelangelo, and other good things like fine beer and romantic love (N.B., there is no love in Islam of any kind, romantic or otherwise, not even for the fictional Allah, towards whom deluded Muzzies owe obedience and submission but not love———of Islam’s many sins, the complete absence of love is one of the most damning and may help to explain, as many here at JW have noted over the years, those dead eyes, those shark eyes, that Muzzies in bunches have), then really stupid and annoying stuff like “Every female wear an hijab on a given day to show solidarity with our Muslims sisters, blah, blah, blah” will continue to continue.
Oh yeah, pathetic, moronic and even suicidal. Damn, I hate Islam and, double damn, I hate continued willful ignorance of Islam.
DFD says
Wellington says: “…..Hell, it makes other totalitarian ideologies like Marxism and Nazism look like JV players (this last comment is especially meant for, and directed to, the doofus still occupying the Oval Office)….”
Yep! I keep on saying that the Nazis and the Bolshies are a bunch of Johnny-come-latelies when compared with Islam. Mere learners, who haven’t learned and thus are in extreme decline. Fortunately.
Wellington says further: “… Damn, I hate Islam and, double damn, I hate continued willful ignorance of Islam.”
Me too! Me too!
Infidela says
What’s a JV player?
DFD says
Essentially an amateur, somebody below expectation. Or, out of their league.
I believe it to be an American expression.
Rev g says
Junior Varsity.
gravenimage says
JV means “Junior Varsity”. It usually refers to a lesser-league basketball or other sports team. For instance, the local high-school team may belong to a varsity league, and the junior high to junior varsity.
“Junior varsity” is another way of saying amateurish or “not ready for prime time”.
Infamously, Obama pooh-poohed the threat of ISIS by calling them the “JV team”.
Fatetrader says
How stupid one have to be to participate willingly in this oppression clothing… especially university and college people are so brainwashed by the system that it is unbelievable… they don’t realize what they are doing not only to their own but future generations… only thing they care is party, football and sex nothing else matters and when they will finally wake up it will be too late, in fact I think by looking at current generation it already is too late…
ECAW says
Probably true.
https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/in-memoriam/
Troybeam says
Ladies you are not supporting these women you are joining them and Islam applauds you for standing up for Islam all the while your ignorance is advancing sharia law.
The Koran, Hadith and Sira all have passages addressing that women cover themselves, it is not a choice it is either wear it or face consequences, usually death. Do your research before you jump on a band wagon.
Ashley says
EXACTLY, Troybean.
And shame on any FREE woman who thinks donning a hijab is a show of support and solidarity in the spirit of embracing “cultural diversity.” It is a show of subjugation, abuse and degradation towards women with little voice, little option.
There should be a “But-I-Don’t-Want-To-Where-The-Hijab” emergency hotline…not “wouldn’t it be cool to have a Hijab Day” at our university!
Rev g says
How about a “Bare Your Hair” day to encourage muslimas to embrace true freedom to choose ?
Ashley says
A fine, idea!
And you touch upon the essence of the issue, rev. A “Bare Your Hair” day to encourage enslaved women to experience true freedom and an opportunity to choose sure as hell beats this proposed horseshit.
I sincerely applaud your idea, Turn the tables.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely
Marcel Berube says
This Hidjab day must be the results of a committee subjugated by lefties and pro islam cultur members.
For sure arabic muslims are near . Look at the manpulation. Wearing the hdjab suddenly become a way of dressing . We all know that wearing the hidjab or the veil is a way to promote islamic values, islamic religion and ultimate aim islamic charia and so subjugation of french values and peoples , finally western values and peoples. Veil or hidjab is just one step on the road.
Hypocrisy , lie and manipulation , in islam , it comes with birth .
somehistory says
What trickery. They hope to scare the girls into wearing one in order not to be thought of as approving of those who are taking away a woman’s right to choose how to dress. If one wears it, they are going along with those approving of taking away a woman’s right to choose.
Wear a scarf around the waist. Or cut one up and wear it as a garter around the leg. Or make a hippie band and keep the sweat out of the eyes. But don’t wear it in support of the death cult of islam that its adherents and its demon are pressing everyone to do.
islam is the beast of satan. The devil is an oppressor and has taught his children well…to lie and to trick in order to oppress.
Pam Minnick says
When are they going to have them try out a day to be like the country they choose to live in? Or better yet, how about have muslim men, treat women like they are their equals? Or have muslims eat pork like many do in non muslim countries. We now know that someone of Islamic faith is donating a lot of money to this college.
If I were the women there, I would say, if I’m force to wear the hijab, then the muslim women would have to remove theirs to see what it is like to be like them. I bet this would end really fast!
mortimer says
Quote: “…the minister for women’s rights sparked a furore last month when she compared veiled women to “negroes who accepted slavery”….
She is not wrong.
WorkingClassPost says
This is so dopey, especially coming just a few days after flights resumed to Iran with flight attendants complaining about being forced to wear stupid clothes:-
http://www.france24.com/en/20160403-air-france-flight-attendants-uproar-over-order-wear-headscarves-iran
Apparently they have since said women can choose not to fly to Iran but gays cannot, even though the potential penalty in Iran is death.
http://europe.newsweek.com/air-france-gay-flight-attendants-tehran-iran-448510
And it’s not just Iran, Saudi does something does something quite similar.
WTF does any of this have to do with freedom of choice?
D says
“Women should have the right to choose what they dress.” Tell that to the Germans, the Swedes, and of course the Middle Easter Muslims.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
“All women should have the right to dress as they wish.”
Yes! And while we’re celebrating women’s right to dress however they wish, let’s also celebrate multicultural diversity! The hijib is only one way a woman has the right to dress. Here are a few other women marching in the right-to-dress diversity parade …
https://a3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/114/3d18a332dfbebf478d5f10483f05154b/full.jpg
http://cdn.drysdales.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/b/cb865us_ladies.jpg
http://www.artasylum.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/7of9_s4a1.jpg
http://images.asos-media.com/inv/media/0/8/5/2/3492580/black/image1xxl.jpg
http://www.printmag.com/wp-content/uploads/MoonbeamMcSwine.jpg
dumbledoresarmy says
I followed the link to the original article.
Then I read the Comments. There were lots. And most were just as angry and just as well-informed as regular posters here. Indeed, *somebody* who had been reading here had copied Mr Spencer’s introductory remarks (though without identifying the author; possibly to avoid being ‘censored out’ by a moderator) and had posted them as a Comment. Another commenter, also a frequenter of this forum, *noticed* and said something like ‘Oh hi fellow JW reader’.
Worms are turning, worms are turning. And people who read here or have read here are *all over the place*.
gravenimage says
*Excellent*, DDA!
Ashley says
Encouraging!!!
PRCS says
That other, frequent poster here was…..me.
I like to check the original articles, too–including the comments.
When I saw that RS’s post had been reposted there, I took the opportunity to greet a “fellow JW reader”.
gravenimage says
Great, PRCS!
dumbledoresarmy says
If they *really* wanted to show solidarity with oppressed and abused people they would be handing out 1/ Star of David badges or pendants and/ or badges or T-shirts with Israeli flags on them and 2/ Christian Crosses.
Because Muslims – the Muslims inside Europe and other Infidel lands and the Muslims everywhere else – are virulently antisemitic, and attack Jews qua Jews. Jews have been *murdered* by Muslims **on the soil of France**, very recently. There was Sebastien Selam. There was Ilan Halimi. There was Rabbi Jonathan Sandler and his two little sons and another little Jewish school-girl named Miriam Monsonego who were *butchered* by the Muslim ghazi terror raider, Mohammed Merah, in Toulouse, not so very long ago. At the time of the massacre of Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, Jews in Paris were *also* murdered, four of them, by a Muslim, at a kosher supermarket. And besides those murders there have been many, many other threats and attacks that have not gone so far as to actually kill, but have created an atmosphere of ever-increasing fear, such that Jews from France are leaving in ever-increasing numbers. Going to Israel where, although they are *still* going to be attacked, they can *fight back* (like the French Jewish girl who having made aliyah from France to Israel marched straight into the IDF to sign up, and did her training, and, newly emerged from training and assigned to a routine guard duty in Jerusalem, in her shiny new uniform, with her shiny new gun, found herself having to respond to a murderous Mohammedan attack upon a fellow-soldier; Mademoiselle, channelling both the Maccabees and Charles Martel, reacted swiftly and shot the attacker stone dead, BOOM, just. like. that).
So: let’s see a stall at this university in France offering people Israel-flag T-shirts and badges and bandannas and Star of David pendants and badges. Show solidarity with French Jews who are being *constantly* attacked and threatened by Muslims on the soil of France; show solidarity with the jihad-beleaguered Jewish State of Israel.
And right beside it, another stall offering Coptic crosses and crosses in the style used by the Assyrian Christians; or doing temporary Coptic-cross tattoos on the inner side of the wrist, or on the forehead, just like the Copts do with their young children. And T-Shirts reading “Down With the Blasphemy Law. Free Asia Bibi!” And “Defeat Jihad. Free West Papua” (majority-Christian melanesian region currently being steadily Islamised by the Muslim Indonesian occupiers; many of its Christian inhabitants have already been *killed* and children of Christians have been seized – or tricked – and taken away to places like Java to be indoctrinated into Islam). Let those who wish to signal solidarity side with the *real* victims and show solidarity with all the thousands and thousands and thousands of Christians who are being exploited and abused and threatened and raped and kidnapped and enslaved and *ritually murdered* by Muslims, all over the world.
More ideas for ‘solidarity’ T-shirts: “Long Live Charlie. Defend Free Speech”. “Vive Robert Redeker” (French intellectual who wrote a hard-hitting little article about Islam and Mohammed and Islamisation). “Remember Theo Van Gogh”. Or just a T-shirt or bandanna with names of well-known apostates from Islam and people who have been attacked and killed as ‘blasphemers’ or threatened with death for ‘blasphemy’ or hauled into court (like Tommy Robinson, Geert Wilders, Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff) on charges of ‘hate speech!!” for daring to publicly criticise Islam and propose measures to limit and push back against Islamisation. Print in red the names of those who have been killed or physically attacked, and in black or blue the names of those who have suffered in other ways (e.g. having to go into hiding/ flee the country/ take bodyguards/ face court cases/ go to prison). Start with Salman Rushdie and do some research. You’d need to use very small print and an extra-large T-shirt….
Perhaps the young French Islamoresistance, Bloc Identitaire, could do some organising and *plan* for an Event of this kind. You’d need to plan carefully beforehand to be sure of having a large number of people to form a sort of ‘flash mob’ on campus, all turning up at the stalls to ‘seed’ the resistance by donning the various symbols and then fanning out in large groups across campus.
dumbledoresarmy says
I should add that a few years ago now I decided that I would wear a Star of David regularly to show solidarity with the Jews and with Israel. I was already wearing a simple pendant cross (wooden, on a plain cord), both because I am a Christian and then because I knew that any Muslim I encountered in the street would be confronted with the reality that a/ there are Christians in Australia and b/ here is someone who is not conforming to the Dhimma (which forbids the public display of crosses).
I decided to wear the Star of David now and again, so that – out there in the public square – there would be a small visible sign of solidarity with the *Jews* and their embattled little state.
At first I wore my Star on Saturdays (i.e on the Sabbath). Then at a time when the Hamasniks in Gaza had goaded Israel into a military response and all the Useful Idiots were screeching about the ‘poor Palestinians [TM]’ and holding “let’s hate Israel/ Kill The Jews” rallies, I then decided that I would wear it more often. So now I wear my Cross and my Star on alternate days.
Now, in *my* neighbourhood I don’t run much of a risk by so doing. At present it hasn’t been heavily Islamised. Yet. But there have been times in my local shopping centre (‘mall’ to you Americans) or inside the supermarket when, cruising down the aisles, I’ve encountered hijabettes or niqabettes or even ghosts in burkas, sometimes with their bearded slavemasters riding herd on them, and have had to choose to hold my head high and let them see what I am wearing as I march past them. And once, going for my daily walk – on a Saturday and thus, wearing my Star of David pendant – I passed a large party of obviously-Mohammedan families occupying the local playground in the park. Knowing what I know, I walked fast and kept an eye open… but I didn’t hide my Star. It was broad daylight with plenty of other infidels about.
And even that is just a very small low-level insight into the sort of risk-calculations Jews, and also many Christians, have to be making all day every day in some parts of the world, not only in the ‘dar al Islam’ but also in a good many other places.
I would have to think seriously about safety and self-defence classes if I lived in certain parts of Sydney or Melbourne and still wanted to go about my daily business visibly displaying a cross or – even more risky – a Star of David; and if I frequented certain university campuses. In some places one would want to be part of a fairly large group all doing it at once at an agreed time.
Mazo says
There is no difference between West Papua, Mindanao, New Caledonia, and Australia. All subjected by foreign colonialist powers and subjected to genocide and mass colonization.
Spain, which fought a centuries long war to slaughter and forcefully convert the indingeous peoples. Spain, which forced all Animist and Muslim Tagalogs and other peoples of Luzon and the Visayas to convert to Catholicism and brainwashed them. Only the Animist Igorot of Luzon held out against the Spanish onslaught. The Lumad Animists and Moro Muslims are the natives of Mindanao.
Spain, America, and the Philippines, which have waged war against the indigenous Lumad Animist and Moro Muslim peoples of Mindanao and settled millions of brainwashed Filipino Luzonian and Visayan Catholics on their land.
The Netherlands, which waged a centuries long war of genocide and slaughter upon the natives of the East Indies. The Netherlands, which slaughtered and committed genocide against the indigenous Animist Melanasian Banda Islanders, all for greed of a spice, and wiped them off the face of the Earth. The Netherlands, which waged wars of conquest against the Hindu and Muslim Kingdoms of Java. The Netherlands, which forced the Hindu Osing people to convert to Islam and wiped Hinduism out from Java. The Netherlands, which invaded the Hindu Kingdoms on Bali, whose Hindu royals chose to fight to the death rather than live under Dutch subjugation. The Netherlands, which invaded the Muslim Aceh Sultanate and slaughtered tens of thousands of women and children. The Netherlands, which invaded and slaughtered the indigenous Animists of West Papua so that the Papuans killed every white man they came across (Michael Rockefeller) for they thought all white men were Dutch.
The Netherlands, which started the transmigration program of settling Javanese, Madurese, and Balinese upon the lands of the indigenous peoples of West Papua, Borneo and Sumatra,
The Filipino Dictator Marcos from Luzon and Indonesian Dictator Suharto from Java joined the western imperialist alliance of America, Australia and Britain and followed the same policies of war, conquest, and massive colonization against the indigenous peoples of the outer islands. Continuing the same policy of their former colonial masters in Mindanao, West Papua, Borneo and Sumatra.
New Caledonia was colonized, occupied, and settled by white French settlers who oppress the native Kanak Melanasians and is under occupation to this day.
And Australia, where the biggest genocide and displacement of the four occurred at the hands of European colonialists.
Gaddafi supported the anti imperialist resistance in all of them. Gaddafi supported the Moro National Liberation Front against the Philippines, and the Free Aceh Movement, Free West Papua Movement, South Maluku separatists and East Timorese FRETILIN against Indonesia, and the Kanak and Socialist National Liberation Front against France in New Caledonia, and tried starting an Australian Aboriginal resistance movement.
There is no difference between West Papua, Mindanao, New Caledonia, and the continent of Australia.
There is no difference between the Papuans, Moros, Lumads, Kanaks, and Aboriginals.
There is no difference between Indonesia, the Philippines, France and the Commonwealth of Australia.
Free West Papua. Free Mindanao. Free New Caledonia. Free Australia. Solidarity to oppressed indigenous peoples who are united in one hand.
No Fear says
“Bali, whose Hindu royals chose to fight to the death rather than live under Dutch subjugation”
I choose to fight to the death rather than live under Islamic subjugation.
Angemon says
Islam and muslims have been waging a war of oppression, savagery, murder and genocide against Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East for 1400 years now, with the death toll in the hundreds of millions. Freedom for the occupied lands of Pakistan, Anatolia, Morocco, Indonesia, Egypt, Cyprus, “Palestine”, etc. – all non-muslim lands under brutal and continued muslim invasion.
Mazo says
Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis, Baluch, Greek Muslims, Berbers, are all living in their lands.
European Muslims were expelled to Anatolia.
Bulent Arinc is a Greek Muslim whose people traded places with Greek Christians in Anatolia. Greek Muslims fled Greece and Crete to Anatolian Greek land. There are entire villages of Greek speaking Muslims on the Anatolian coast. Arinc also wants to convert the Hagia Sophia back into a Mosque.
Erdogan is a Georgian Muslim whose ancestors came from the northeastern Black Sea region next to Georgia.
There are millions of people of Bosnian and Albanian descent in Turkey. For them to go back, they must be allowed to their ancestral lands in the Balkans.
Those European Muslim occupiers in Anatolia must be allowed to go back to Europe.
None of them are real Turks. They are native Balkanites and Caucasians and they must be allowed back into their homelands in Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, and Bosnia.
Full decolonization of Anatolia can be achieved with European Muslims going back to where they came from.
Once they are allowed back, then the Anatolian Greek Christians and Western Armenians can return to Anatolia.
Those Egyptians of Mamluk descent- their homeland is in the northern Caucasus and the steppes of southern Russia and Ukraine. They can be repatriated too .
Andalusian Muslims in Morocco can be returned to their homeland in Iberia.
Why would anyone oppose decolonization and repatriation of colonists?
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis, Baluch, Greek Muslims, Berbers, are all living in their lands.”
Are they living in a muslim-majority land conquered by force from their rightful owners? If so, they’re part of the oppressing force.
“There are millions of people of Bosnian and Albanian descent in Turkey.”
You mean, the descendants of Bosnian and Albanian Christians who were kidnapped as children to be raised as Janissaries.
“Those European Muslim occupiers in Anatolia must be allowed to go back to Europe.”
See above. If you wan to talk about muslim occupiers in Anatolia, start with the Turks.
“None of them are real Turks.”
The Turks being foreign occupiers.
“They are native Balkanites and Caucasians and they must be allowed back into their homelands in Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, and Bosnia.”
Again, descendants of Christians kidnapped and forcibly converted. And, of course, don’t forget that the Turks in Turkey would return to their ancestral lands as well.
“There are entire villages of Greek speaking Muslims on the Anatolian coast. ”
Because, you ignorant ass, Greek was spoken in Anatolia before the Turks came along. Greeks have been living there since nearly 3000 BC.
“Full decolonization of Anatolia can be achieved with European Muslims going back to where they came from.”
*yawn*
Is that the best you have? Pretending that the European-ancestry muslims came to Anatolia as colonizers? How many do you think there would be were it not for centuries of Turks – you know, the real muslim colonizers – kidnapping European Christian children from their families and forcibly converting them to islam? My guess is, not many. But you know what? I bet if all Turks in Europe were to be traded for all non-Turks of European ancestry in Turkey, the populations would remain sensibly the same, if Europe didn’t ended up “losing” muslims.
Full decolonization of Anatolia can be achieved with the Turkish invaders going back to where they came from.
“Once they are allowed back, then the Anatolian Greek Christians and Western Armenians can return to Anatolia.”
Yes, there would be plenty of space left after the Turks were gone.
“Those Egyptians of Mamluk descent- their homeland is in the northern Caucasus and the steppes of southern Russia and Ukraine. They can be repatriated too .”
“Mamluk” meaning “slave” and encompassing a great number of people, some of them Europeans. Again, not exactly colonizers.
“Andalusian Muslims in Morocco can be returned to their homeland in Iberia.”
“Andalusian muslims”? Oh, the descendants of the Moors who were kicked out of Spain to the lands they came from to begin with. I bet the Spanish and Portugues will pass on that. Which, spoiler alert, they already did:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/muslims-demand-right-of-return-to-spain
“Why would anyone oppose decolonization and repatriation of colonists?”
Funny,you ask that, since you’re the one trying to get colonists back to where they were decolonized from. And again, trying to present the descendants of Christian children kidnapped from their lands and forcibly converted to islam as “colonists” just gives us an insight into your deranged little mind.
Islam and muslims have been waging a war of oppression, savagery, murder and genocide against Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East for 1400 years now, with the death toll in the hundreds of millions. Freedom for the occupied lands of Pakistan, Anatolia, Morocco, Indonesia, Egypt, Cyprus, “Palestine”, etc. – all non-muslim lands under brutal and continued muslim invasion.
Mazo says
The Greek Muslims in Turkey speak dialects of Cretan Greek and northern mainland Greek.
The Christian Anatolian Greeks from Smyrna speak Anatolian dialects of Greek.
Greek Muslims were mass expelled from Greece and Crete to Anatolia and Christian Anatolian Greeks were mass expelled from Anatolia to Greece. They took each others place. Greek Muslims don’t speak Anatolian Greek dialects. Bulent Arinc speaks Cretan Greek.
Egyptian Mamluks were of Circassian origin from the north Caucasus and of Turkic Kipchak origin from the steppes of Ukraine and Russia. Iraqi Mamluks were of Georgian origin. Their modern day descendants are Arabic speaking Egyptian Muslims and need repatriation back to their homelands.
The Ottoman Sultan deliberately used converted Europeans as officials and had them take up the majority of official posts in the Ottoman government and military to destroy the power of the ethnic Turkish Turkmen in the Anatolian core heartland. The Ottoman Sultan suspected ethnic Turks of being disloyal and being secret Safavid agents. The Ottomans recruited Sunni Kurds into their armies to fight against ethnic Turkish Turkmen tribesmen in Anatolia and drive them out to the Safavid Empire. The Ottomans then raised devshirme and Janissary armies from European converts to fight against the ethnic Turkish Turkmen tribesmen in the core of Anatolia and destroy their power. Turks were a puny minority in the Ottoman court, officialdom and military.
The converted Europeans called themselves Ottoman Muslims. They did not call themselves Turks. In fact, they used Turk as an insult to refer to the Anatolian Turkish peasantry and Turkmens. High ranking Ottoman Muslims of European origin in Constantinople told foreigners that they were absolutely not Turks and referred to Anatolian Turkish peasants as “dirty Turks” (atrak i na pak) or “stupid Turks” (atrak bi idrak). They said their identity was Ottoman, Muslim, and that they were loyal subjects of the Sultan.
Nearly the entire Ottoman government and jannisaries were run by European origin converts who used Turk as a slur word. The only Turk in there was fhe Sultan and that was after centuries of Greek, Serbian, Ruthenian, and Circassian concubines in the harem leaving the only thing Turkish about him being his Y chromosome. The elite court Ottoman Turkish language used by these Ottoman European Muslims was heavily mixed with literary Persian while the purer Turkish spoken by the Anatolian peasantry was considered vulgar. The Ottomans sponsored the Persian language and wrote Persian poems. The Ottomans wrote in Persian to the Safavid Shahs, who replied back in Turkish. Bosnian Muslims studied Persian language poems.
Millions of Muslims in Anatolia are Bosnian, Albanian, Bulgarian, Greek, Georgian and Circassian. President Erdogan is a Georgian, deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc is Greek.
They all need to urgently return to their homelands and be provided citizenship to help further decolonization.
Pubjab province was divided between Muslim and Sikh/Hindu parts in 1948. Hindus and Sikhs went to eastern Punjab in India and Muslims went to western Punjab in Pakistan. There is no colonization.
Angemon says
Huh, you realize that you’re not actually addressing, let alone rebutting, anything I said, right? You’re tossing a extra layer of of fluff and repeating what you said. Well, if those are the rules you want to play by, so be it:
“Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis, Baluch, Greek Muslims, Berbers, are all living in their lands.”
Are they living in a muslim-majority land conquered by force from their rightful owners? If so, they’re part of the oppressing force.
“There are millions of people of Bosnian and Albanian descent in Turkey.”
You mean, the descendants of Bosnian and Albanian Christians who were kidnapped as children to be raised as Janissaries.
“Those European Muslim occupiers in Anatolia must be allowed to go back to Europe.”
See above. If you wan to talk about muslim occupiers in Anatolia, start with the Turks.
“None of them are real Turks.”
The Turks being foreign invaders that for some reason you saw fit to leave out.
“They are native Balkanites and Caucasians and they must be allowed back into their homelands in Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, and Bosnia.”
Again, descendants of Christians kidnapped and forcibly converted. And, of course, don’t forget that the Turks in Turkey would return to their ancestral lands as well.
“There are entire villages of Greek speaking Muslims on the Anatolian coast.”
Because, you ignorant ass, Greek was spoken in Anatolia before the Turks came along. Greeks have been living there since nearly 3000 BC.
“Full decolonization of Anatolia can be achieved with European Muslims going back to where they came from.”
*yawn*
Is that the best you have? Pretending that the European-ancestry muslims came to Anatolia as colonizers? How many do you think there would be were it not for centuries of Turks – you know, the real muslim colonizers – kidnapping European Christian children from their families and forcibly converting them to islam? My guess is, not many. But you know what? I bet if all Turks in Europe were to be traded for all non-Turks of European ancestry in Turkey, the populations would remain sensibly the same, if Europe didn’t ended up “losing” muslims.
Full decolonization of Anatolia can be achieved with the Turkish invaders going back to where they came from.
“Once they are allowed back, then the Anatolian Greek Christians and Western Armenians can return to Anatolia.”
Yes, there would be plenty of space left after the Turks were gone.
“Those Egyptians of Mamluk descent- their homeland is in the northern Caucasus and the steppes of southern Russia and Ukraine. They can be repatriated too .”
“Mamluk” meaning “slave” and encompassing a great number of people (including the native Egyptian Coptic Christians), some of them Europeans. Again, not exactly colonizers.
“Andalusian Muslims in Morocco can be returned to their homeland in Iberia.”
“Andalusian muslims”? Oh, the descendants of the Moors who were kicked out of Spain to the lands they came from to begin with. I bet the Spanish and Portugues will pass on that. Which, spoiler alert, they already did:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/muslims-demand-right-of-return-to-spain
“Why would anyone oppose decolonization and repatriation of colonists?”
Funny you ask that, since you’re the one trying to get colonists back to where they were decolonized from. And again, trying to present the descendants of Christian children kidnapped from their lands and forcibly converted to islam as “colonists” just gives us an insight into your deranged little mind.
Islam and muslims have been waging a war of oppression, savagery, murder and genocide against Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East for 1400 years now, with the death toll in the hundreds of millions. Freedom for the occupied lands of Pakistan, Anatolia, Morocco, Indonesia, Egypt, Cyprus, “Palestine”, etc. – all non-muslim lands under brutal and continued muslim invasion.
Mazo says
The Ottoman government was dominated by European Muslims who did not identify as Turks, and actively fought against ethnic Turkmen tribes in the heart of Anatolia. Erdogan is a Georgian.
Greek Muslims come from Greece and Crete and were exchanged for Anatolian Greek Christians from Smyrna. The Greek Muslims are not Anatolian.
Sindhis live in Sindh, Pashtuns (Pakhtuns) live in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Punjabis live in Punjab and Baluch live in Baluchistan. Berbers live in Morocco, Algeria, Libya, and western Egypt.
Egyptian Mamluks are Circassians and Kipchak Turks.
Angemon says
“The Ottoman government was dominated by European Muslims who did not identify as Turks, and actively fought against ethnic Turkmen tribes in the heart of Anatolia. Erdogan is a Georgian.”
Anatolia is a Christian land occupied by Turkish muslim invaders who kidnapped European Christians and forcibly converted them to islam.
“Greek Muslims come from Greece and Crete and were exchanged for Anatolian Greek Christians from Smyrna. The Greek Muslims are not Anatolian.”
Greeks have been living in Anatolia since around 3000 BC.
“Sindhis live in Sindh, Pashtuns (Pakhtuns) live in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Punjabis live in Punjab and Baluch live in Baluchistan. Berbers live in Morocco, Algeria, Libya, and western Egypt.”
All non-muslim lands conquered by force.
“Egyptian Mamluks are Circassians and Kipchak Turks.”
“Mamluk” means “slave” and mamluks encompassed a great number of different people, including the native Egyptian Coptic Christians.
Islam and muslims have been waging a war of oppression, savagery, murder and genocide against Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East for 1400 years now, with the death toll in the hundreds of millions. Freedom for the occupied lands of Pakistan, Anatolia, Morocco, Indonesia, Egypt, Cyprus, “Palestine”, etc. – all non-muslim lands under brutal and continued muslim invasion.
Cecilia Ellis says
“Huh, you realize that you’re not actually addressing, let alone rebutting, anything I said, right? You’re tossing a extra layer of of fluff and repeating what you said. Well, if those are the rules you want to play by, so be it:”
Angemon, it looks like Mazo is caught up in Muslim Ground Hog Day. Love your replies! ?
Angemon says
Mazo is a long time, to borrow dumbledoresarmy’s word, islamogloater. When he’s not throwing extra layers of unrelated fluff trying to obfuscate whatever issue is being discussed (do you see him addressing the hijab day?) he’s busy, in clear islamic fashion, demonizing critics of islam.
Oh, and he has temper issues – whatever you do, don’t mention Philip Jihadski near him. Or dumbledoresarmy – notice how mazo showed up after dumbledoresarmy, an Australian, to take a dump on Australia, try to play the “white guilt” card and pretend he cares about the Papuan (who are being the target of a genocide carried out by Indonesia) or the Timorese (who were the target of an attempted genocide carried out by Indonesia).
Cecilia Ellis says
“When he’s not throwing extra layers of unrelated fluff trying to obfuscate whatever issue is being discussed (do you see him addressing the hijab day?) he’s busy, in clear islamic fashion, demonizing critics of islam.”
Maybe we can get Robert to post “Betty Crocker’s Cookbook . . . I want to see how Mazo will somehow insert irrelevant pro-Islamic comments about pork roast . . .
Mazo says
The Ottomans identified themselves with the Persians in the Shahnameh epic against Turan (Turkic nomads), whom they identified with Safavids and Turkmen.
European Muslim Ottomans who ruled the Ottoman state used Turk as a curse word to refer to Anatolian Turkish peasants and Turkmen tribes and called Turks stupid and dirty. They wrote in Persian poetry and spoke the Persian influenced Ottoman language.
The Turkmen tribes fought against the Ottomans to expel the Ottomans from Anatolia and back into the Balkans. The slogan of the Turkmen was that Anatolia was theirs and for the Safavids while the Ottomans would be driven back to Rumelia (the Balkan peninsula). The Ottomans did mass ethnic cleansing against the Turkmen and supported Kurds against them.
The Ottomans expanded in the Balkans and conquered Constantinople via the Balkans, before they turned their attention to Anatolia to fight and conquer the Turkish Turkmen states there. The Ottomans had to use violence to force Anatolian Turkmen under their rule.
Ionian Greeks have been living in Anatolia since after 1000 BC and speak different dialecfs than mainland Greeks and Cretan Greeks. Greek Muslims are from Crete and mainland Greece.
Egyptian Muslims of Circassian and Kipchak origin and European Muslims need immediate repatration to their homelands.
Those living in their lands are native there and their religion and how it came to them has nothing to do with the fact that they are still the indigenous peoples unlike the invaders in Australia, New Zealand, and North America.
Angemon says
“The Ottomans identified themselves with the Persians in the Shahnameh epic against Turan (Turkic nomads), whom they identified with Safavids and Turkmen.”
The Ottoman empire was founded by, and composed of, muslim Oghuz Turks (Turkmen) from Central Asia. Let’s keep that in mind the next turds.
“The Turkmen tribes fought against the Ottomans to expel the Ottomans from Anatolia and back into the Balkans. ”
Again, the Ottoman empire was founded by, and composed of, muslim Oghuz Turks (Turkmen) from Central Asia.
“The slogan of the Turkmen was that Anatolia was theirs and for the Safavids while the Ottomans would be driven back to Rumelia (the Balkan peninsula). The Ottomans did mass ethnic cleansing against the Turkmen and supported Kurds against them.”
And yet again, the Ottoman empire was founded by, and composed of, muslim Oghuz Turks (Turkmen) from Central Asia.
“The Ottomans expanded in the Balkans and conquered Constantinople via the Balkans, before they turned their attention to Anatolia to fight and conquer the Turkish Turkmen states there. The Ottomans had to use violence to force Anatolian Turkmen under their rule.”
For the fourth time, the Ottoman empire was founded by, and composed of, muslim Oghuz Turks (Turkmen) from Central Asia.
“Ionian Greeks have been living in Anatolia since after 1000 BC and speak different dialecfs than mainland Greeks and Cretan Greeks. Greek Muslims are from Crete and mainland Greece.”
Greeks have been living in Anatolia since around 3000 BC.
“Egyptian Muslims of Circassian”
The whole 10,000 or so of them.
“and Kipchak”
Turks.
“origin and European Muslims need immediate repatration to their homelands.”
Don’t forget Arabs. From all over the “islamic world” (meaning occupied non-muslim lands) back to the Arabic Peninsula. Oh, and, of course, Turks. It’s telling that you leave them out – you’ve already proven to be a racist, now you’re just cementing your status.
“Those living in their lands are native there and their religion and how it came to them has nothing to do with the fact that they are still the indigenous peoples unlike the invaders in Australia, New Zealand, and North America.”
What a catch 22. “Those living in their lands are native there”. By that “logic”, if I were to move to China and buy a parcel of land I’d be a native Chinese because I’d be living in my land. Heck, by that logic anyone who has a parcel of land in America or New Zealand is a native American or native New Zealander. Including the invading muslims who are now squatting there. As for how their religion came to be, well, I see why you’re trying to downplay that, seeing how islam spread by the sword. Let’s just put it this way: without invasions and conquest, islam would have died with muhammad. Without the death penalty for apostates there would be no islam today. Or in any time, really.
Mazo says
The Ottomans referred to their state as the Ottoman State, the Sultan took the title of “Kaiser e Rum” (Caeser of Rome) and referred to Anatolia as “Rum” (Rome) and the Balkans as “Rumelia”.
There is not a single Ottoman document which calls their state as “Turkey”. Ottomans never referred to their counry as Turkey.
It is westerners who referred to the Ottoman state as “Turkey” and called every single Ottoman Muslim as a “Turk” and even referred to Europeans becoming Muslims as having “turned Turk”.
Ottoman Muslims called themselves Ottoman Muslims and rejected the label of Turk. Turk was an insult to them.
Projecting western retardation and lack of awareness of ethnic identity is a typical orientalist tactic.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“The Ottomans”
The Ottomans being an empire founded by Turksmen.
“referred to their state as the Ottoman State, the Sultan took the title of “Kaiser e Rum” (Caeser of Rome) and referred to Anatolia as “Rum” (Rome) and the Balkans as “Rumelia”.”
Huh, so what?
“There is not a single Ottoman document which calls their state as “Turkey”. Ottomans never referred to their counry as Turkey.”
Again, so what? Also, in what language are those documents written? Let me guess: Turk.
“It is westerners who referred to the Ottoman state as “Turkey””
Must have had something to do with all the invading Turks you mysteriously forget to account for when talking about decolonization and repatriation…
“and called every single Ottoman Muslim as a “Turk” and even referred to Europeans becoming Muslims as having “turned Turk”.”
See above.
“Ottoman Muslims called themselves Ottoman Muslims and rejected the label of Turk. Turk was an insult to them.”
The Ottoman empire was an empire founded by Turksmen – they were, for all intents and purposes, Turks. They were also ruling over a huge empire spanning through 3 continents so they were against any movement that could oppose them, including, but not limited to, Turkish nationalism. Calling someone a “Turk” – or “Assyrian”, or whatever else – meant that they were considering themselves not as muslim first. It’s the equivalent of telling a black guy he’s acting white, except there’s no death penalty for acting “white” (there is for apostasy in islam). That was misinterpreted as anti-Turk bias by later Turkish nationalists.
“Projecting western retardation and lack of awareness of ethnic identity is a typical orientalist tactic.”
Which you’re apparently an adept at, seeing how you left out that the Ottoman Empire was founded by Turksmen from Central Asia in addition to leaving them out of your decolonization and repatriation plans. Plus, don’t forget all those non-European muslims in Europe.
gravenimage says
Mazo wrote:
Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis, Baluch, Greek Muslims, Berbers, are all living in their lands.
……………………
To borrow another term from Dumbledore’s Army, this is just more sand-throwing on Mazo’s part.
The idea that Muslims in Greece are just “living in their lands” is absurd–Muslims invaded Greece and brutally oppressed her for hundreds of years.
She had to fight a desperate war to regain her independence.
And now Muslims are invading there again–posing as “refugees”.
And note that Mazo will say nothing about girls being murdered for not wearing the Hijab. But then, what would he say except to voice his approval?
Mazo says
cravenmirage knows the difference between “Greek Muslim” and “Muslim in Greece”.
Or does it?
gravenimage says
The repulsive Mazo wrote:
cravenmirage knows the difference between “Greek Muslim” and “Muslim in Greece”.
Or does it?
………………………….
There certainly are Muslims who have inveigled themselves into Greece, and there are even a few Muslims who are ethnically Greek–either those forced to convert to Islam in the past, of a handful of foolish “reverts”.
But there are no “Greek Muslims”, any more than there are French Muslims or British Muslims or American Muslims.
Being Muslim is inimical to everything that these civilized nations stand for.
Greece is the birthplace of classical art, philosophy, and democracy–all civilized things Islam rejects.
You might find Muslims in Greece, but they are not Greek in any meaningful way.
And notice that Mazo still has nothing to say about girls being murdered for not wearing the Hijab. Don’t expect that he will, either.
Angemon says
On a side note, GI, mazo is noticeably tamer than he was, for example, an year or so ago. Several posts in and no crude insults or references to homosexuality (mazo loved to dabble in homophobic insults)? I guess he stopped using steroids when the shrinkage became evident…
Mazo says
Punjabis are native to Punjab, Sindhis are native to Sindh, since before they became Muslim. Berbers are native to north Africa since before Islam. Baluchis are native to Baluchistan.
Pakistani Sindhis are Muslim because of Muhammad bin Qasim and Pakistani Punjabis are Muslim because of Mahmud of Ghazni. Parts of their populations still practice their previous religions. The Hindu Sindhis still exist in Sindh and Hindu and Sikh Punjabis live on the Indian side of Punjab.
Pashtuns are native to Afghanistan but after they became Muslim they ass-imilated the local Indic Gandharans in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in Pakistan and absorbed them entirely so now they are native to that area.
There was one Turkish family invokved in the Ottoman state, the house of Osman. After conquest of Constantinople they jettisoned the already puny Turkmen force and fought violently against the Turkmen principalities of eastern Anatolia suspected of being Safavid sympathizers. The Ottoman elite after Constantinople was made out of European Muslims who spoke a Persian influenced Turkish, wrote Persian literature and insulted the Anatolian Turkish population and their language. The house of Osman took so many concubines of Serbian, Greek, Ruthenian and Circassian origin that only their Y chromosome was Turkish.
There are Turkish Orthodox Christians called Gagauz in the Balkans.
Nobody in Anatolia asked them to come there and invited them to fill up the space left by departed Greek Christians. Nobody wanted them. Identity in the Ottoman state was Islamic and Turkish Christians were not part of the Muslim Millet.
It was Greek Muslims who were invited over to Anatolia from Greece and Crete to settle in the vacated villages of Anatolian Greek Christians. Greek Muslims were not part of the Orthodox Christian Rum Millet.
Obnoxious orientalist onanists like you need to put down the pipe.
Angemon says
“Punjabis are native to Punjab, Sindhis are native to Sindh, since before they became Muslim. Berbers are native to north Africa since before Islam. Baluchis are native to Baluchistan.”
None of those lands was muslim to begin with – like I said, they’re non-muslim lands under muslim occupation. Get rid of the penalty for apostasy and see how long they remain muslim…
“There was one Turkish family invokved in the Ottoman state, the house of Osman.”
No, you mean that the ruling dynasty was the house of Osman. From the 13th to the 20th century.
“After conquest of Constantinople they jettisoned the already puny Turkmen force and fought violently against the Turkmen principalities of eastern Anatolia suspected of being Safavid sympathizers. ”
None of them native to Anatolia. Like I said, invaders. Also, muslims turning on one another for religious reasons? On other news, water is wet.
“The Ottoman elite after Constantinople was made out of European Muslims who spoke a Persian influenced Turkish, wrote Persian literature and insulted the Anatolian Turkish population and their language.”
Citation needed. There were soooooooooooo little Turks in the ottoman empire that nowadays in Turkey most Turks are, well, Turks.
“The house of Osman took so many concubines of Serbian, Greek, Ruthenian and Circassian origin that only their Y chromosome was Turkish.”
They, like you, liked them some white women. Of course, you’re arguing against yourself now.
“It was Greek Muslims who were invited over to Anatolia from Greece and Crete to settle in the vacated villages of Anatolian Greek Christians. Greek Muslims were not part of the Orthodox Christian Rum Millet.”
Again, Greeks have been living in Anatolia since around 3000BC.
“Obnoxious orientalist onanists like you need to put down the pipe.”
Says the addled islamo-laundress who has yet to acknowledge muslims did anything wrong ever.
Mazo says
The definition of a Turk according to the Turkish Constitution is a citizen of Turkey who speaks Turkish and identifies as Turkish because of Ataturk. They adopted the western view of the matter as well as the western name for the country. Most of the Bosnians, Albanians, Greek Muslims, Laz, Georgian Muslims and others are counted as Turks by the Turkish republic. The Ottomans classified everyone according to their religious millet.
Angemon says
“ Most of the Bosnians, Albanians, Greek Muslims, Laz, Georgian Muslims and others are counted as Turks by the Turkish republic.”
This is the 21st century, mazo. There are census and demographics. What percentage of Turkey’s population is ethnic Turk?
“The Ottomans classified everyone according to their religious millet.”
As I wrote:
The Ottomans also wrote their documents in Turkish.
Mazo says
The Turkish census classifies Turkish speaking Muslims as Turks. Including Circassians, Bosnians, Albanians and Greeks.
Angemon says
Ballpark figure.
LR says
…”Jews in Paris were *also* murdered, four of them, by a Muslim, at a kosher supermarket”…
The irony about that murderous incident, is that it was also a Muslim who saved Jewish lives.
We should all be so brave.
It all comes down to Individuals and who they are in their heart.
LR says
“I helped Jews. We’re all brothers,” Bathily told BFM TV. It’s not a question of Jews, Christians or Muslims, we’re all in the same boat,” he said.
ECAW says
Perhaps others will know the details better but I read somewhere that the role of the Muslim in the kosher supermarket was greatly exaggerated to fit in with the requirement for a feelgood storyline about “good Muslims”. You may not know that after the Leytonstone neck slashing someone, widely assumed to be a Muslim, shouted “You ain,t no Muslim bruv”. As Robert spencer explained, he turned out not to be a Muslim but a non-Muslim who had absorbed the Religion of Peace malarkey:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/12/you-aint-no-muslim-bruv-guy-aint-no-muslim-either
gravenimage says
LR wrote:
…”Jews in Paris were *also* murdered, four of them, by a Muslim, at a kosher supermarket”…
The irony about that murderous incident, is that it was also a Muslim who saved Jewish lives.
…………………..
How is this “ironic”? If some Muslims choose to ignore the diktats of their vile creed and act decently, that is a very good thing.
Alas, it changes nothing about the threat of that violent creed itself, and the danger of large numbers of its supremacist adherents in our lands.
Cecilia Ellis says
“Students at Sciences Po urged women to take part in Hijab Day ‘if you too think all women should have the right to dress as they wish and have their choice respected’.”
I can think of 15 teenage girls — all 13 years old — who would have liked to have had the right to dress as they wished and to have had their choice respected, They might even have desired to attend a Western university . . . but they can’t . . . because they are all dead . . . in the hell-hole that initially spawned — and now has as its second-largest export — the perverse ideology of Islam: Saudi Arabia.
Here is an extract of a very accurate account of that tragedy:
“Al-Badir also relived a heinous incident in which a fire broke out in a girls’ school in Saudi Arabia but all of the female students inside were forced to remain in the building and burn to death simply because they were not wearing their hijabs (traditional Islamic head coverings).
“It would have been easy to extinguish the fire without any girl getting hurt,” a pained Al-Badir began. “But members of the Authority for the Promotion of Virtue stood at the door of the school and prevented any student from leaving, because the girls were not wearing the hijab.”
“How were they supposed to get a hijab when the school was going up in flames?” she asked incredulously.
“They prevented the fire brigade from entering to extinguish the fire, and they prevented the parents from going in…”
“But it is a duty to save them from death,” the interviewer attempted to reason. “Who cares if they are wearing the abaya or not?”
“Their mission is to save you from the Hellfire, not from death,” Al-Badir responded. “They believe that you are martyred in such a case. I don’t know what was going through their minds at that moment.”
Al-Badir continued:
I’m talking about 13-year-old girls, not university students. These were schoolgirls. 15 girls from the school died – because of the Authority for Prevention of Vice and Promotion of Virtue, and not because of the fire. They could easily have been rescued. Has any member of the Authority been placed on trial? Not that we’ve seen. The department of girls’ education was annexed to the Education Ministry, but the Authority is never held accountable. It punishes, but is never punished itself. You can never get justice. Even if they stab or kill you, nobody can hold them accountable.
Al-Badir said that complaints filed against the Authority are futile, as no court action is ever taken in victims’ defense. She also noted that the rate of “all forms of sexual harassment is the highest it has ever been.”
“The Authority is the enemy of society. How can it protect it?”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/01/18/saudi-journalist-religious-police-made-15-school-girls-burn-to-death-because-they-were-not-wearing-hijabs/
Ian H says
Perhaps women could show their support of women in countries where hijabs are compulsory by showing up instead in miniskirts or bikinis on that day. If you truly do “think women should have the right to dress as they wish” how could you possibly object.
Jay Boo says
FGM day
Burn in a Saudi school day
Be one of the 72 virgins day
Child Bride day
Dodge the whip and stones day
ECAW says
First comes the veil then comes sharia:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7834/islam-veiled-women
particolor says
When can we have Dress like an Emperor Penguin Day ??? 🙁 🙁
Allan Mandrowski says
Here is a bold idea. How about asking muslimas to take their hijab / headscarf off and participate in 21st century life? You know, embracing the freedom not to wear a tool of oppression.
Matthieu Baudin says
By all means attend Hijab Day.
By attending you’ll be voting with your feet to show solidarity with an age old form of authoritarianism; of traditional Islamic family coercion that ensures that its females, particularly the young women, are heavily covered and hidden from view.
This University Inspired Nonsense has no connection or interest with the choices of individuals, it is all focused on ‘group rights’ or ‘cultural rights’ in much the same vein with which the radical socialist movement of the 20th Century was happy to bury the concerns of the individual under its social imperatives.
No Fear says
I support the right of women to wear clothing that makes them look like Royal Mail post boxes. It is their right to do so. It is my right to laugh at them.
Jay Boo says
Islam Disgrace day.
Rita says
What chance has moribund France left when this socialist government, a mayor of Paris fully in the pockets of Qatar, a president who gives out the highest honours (Legion d’Honneur) to the “Kings” of Saudi Arabia and their EDUCATION Minister is a muslim Arab who does not even have the decency to honour her French Nationality, but keeps her Moroccan Nationality and wears the veil when she visits her “Homeland” ?
She is in charge of EDUCATION and has done away with the classics, replacing them with the study of ARABIC in French schools. The Minister for Work Place Relations is also a half/Arab Muslima.
But it is the education minister who got to the children: Anecdote: Porc is forbidden in the cantines because it “offends” the muslims. When some left-over real French parents complained, on the grounds that France is constitutionally SECULAR and that no concessions to “Religion” should be made, this Education minister achieved a sly “tour de force”: Suggesting that Porc is eaten by Christians, she suggested, it is also a concession to religion.
The Government and the country are nearly cooked, so infested are they by the islamisation and the State of Emergency declared in the wake of the November 13 islamic massacre in Paris is being used to prosecute the Patriots who dare criticising Islam (yes the Blasphemy law is well enforced by a corrupt and fully politicised Judciary) and to prevent Marine Le Pens Party to gain even more popularity for the up coming Presidential Elections. It has just been extended yet again for another few months and will probably be used and abused by this government right up to the elections next year.
WorkingClassPost says
They covered this on RT this morning, and it suddenly occurred to me that women who participate in the cover up are actually complicit in the behaviour of their menfolk against women.
Because some ‘choose’ to pander to the bestial nature of muzzie men, they allow those who don’t to be singled out, and they also add weight to the lie that men cannot be expected to behave or control their ‘urges’ [what urges I wonder, having never felt inclined to rape or assault a woman no matter what she wore, or did not wear]!
Anyway, by joining in they’re kinda saying it’s OK, and that it’s also ‘their fault’ when bad things happen to them.
I know muzzie women play this game: a mixture of attack them not me, please, and Stockholm Syndrome, but when educated Western women do so too, they really are offering their gender a dreadful disservice.
ECAW says
“they really are offering their sex a dreadful disservice”.
Gender has now become a matter of choice, even for four year olds in Britain at least!
WorkingClassPost says
I stand corrected.!
But I thought we weren’t allowed to use the ‘S’ word any more, except with an ‘ist’ or ‘ism’ on the end of it?
Ronen says
I can actually sympathize with the cause of hiding these oppression lovers from the sight of civilized people, although in order to make it perfectly safe I would recommend preventing their entrance to western states all together.
Ganesha_akbar says
http://www.dbknews.com/2016/04/19/palestine-protest-at-umd-israel-fest/
BREAKING Video: pro-Palestine student protesters removed by UMD police at Israel event
https://youtu.be/3J9h0cCuozk
Lanya LaPunta says
” …France is grappling with rising Islamophobia after a wave of terror attacks by jihadists ..”
Is anyone else becoming tired of islamophiliacs bandying about the term “islamophobe”?
Tom from Brussels says
It’s not the Institut d’études politiques de Paris (Sciences Po) who organised the day; but, three female students and from the names, two seem to be muslim. Le Mode reported that there were more journalists present than participants. The event was severely criticised by official student organisations who condemned the event as islamic propaganda. A media storm in a teacup.
gravenimage says
Very important point, Tom. This is not an officially sponsored event.
Tom from Brussels says
Le MoNde
Michael Johnson says
This is why Muslims should come out of this cult system because there life style follows them to America
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
All universities are the same now, and in the worst of ways. Even one surrounded by no-go neighborhoods, even after three mass murders in the past year. True, this is a college of political science, and there is no science in politics, much as there in none in the study of Marxism or Islam. I bet that most of the students were present at the We are Charlie mass demonstration holding those placards. There was no image of Mohammed on them to challenge the threat to free speech made by the first mass murder. But I bet there are many feminists at this university.
Florida Jim says
Women are treated worse than pigs and dogs by muslims. It is a disgrace what women must do to “serve” the master who can have as many women as he wishes and keep making more muslims unless they are women muslims.Here is a book telling about muslim mn and how they treat women.
Gaddafi’s Harem-Annick Cojean-The story of a young woman and the abuses of power in Libya by Gaddafi
Anne says
An “ASK A HIJABI DAY” should accompany Hijab Day! Women and girls wearing hijab should be asked politely, “Do you know who the SUFFRAGETTES were?”
خَليفة says
if one group ( Muslims ) wants the “others” ( the magnificent kuffar ) to not be afraid of it, and accept it, and to understand its practices, needs and desires; than said group ( Muslims ) should be willing to live a day as each one of the kuffar flavors.
If the university has a hijab day, it should have a gay day, bikini day, cross-dress day, atheist day, black day…. ( and so many more ) I do t think there is enough days in the school year to cover all the various groups that want to be understood and accepted.
But we know better, it’s all about Islam wanting other cultures to bend towards it. Islam is by that act a hypocritical religion, it expects others to do what it will never do, and that is have tolerance.
ECAW says
Very true!
Marcel Berube says
Paris university asks women to participate in hijab day if you think too all women should have the right to dress as they wish .
Will these peoples invite AIR FRANCE hostess ? These women too would like to dress as they like when going on the tarmac in Teheran , Iran but it doesn’t seem too much possible for now .
Resist says
The Islamic propaganda on the move EVERYDAY, EVERYWHERE .They will only be satisfied when civil Var breaks out. Ashamed of what my country, Europe has become: a playground for Islamic retards
Nabi says
Funny but I’ve yet to see Niqab or Chador day. Are these leftard Western women afraid to go all the way?
solange silverman says
How ignorant, do they not know that the only choice most Muslim women have to wear or not wear the required uniform is either to wear it or be abused and/or killed?
Islam :- the religion of scientists says
All Muslim woman have the freedom to dress as they are told
Ted Tyler says
True! All Muslim women have the freedom to dress as they wish just as we have the freedom to jump off of tall buildings and see if we can fly.
Ted Tyler says
Sorry about that. I read your post as “All Muslim women have the freedom to dress as they wish”. Also, I thought that you might be serious with “Islam – the religion of scientists”. Be aware that I am a scientist and you know how easily offended and prone to violence scientists are……
scherado says
Yeah, I get it: If women want to wear the slit-bag (trademark pending; double slit-bag currently in design), then women ought to wear the, whatever; If women want to be nude in public–as in recent protests, Europe (=>_Milo Moire_<=)–then they ought to do as they wish. (For the record, I’m in favor of the latter only for attractive women and thoroughly opposed to men. No offense to anyone.)
common sense says
Aqsa Parvez had a beautiful smile which the world will never know as did many other Muslim women mentioned in the article ( I’m truly sure of it ) who were killed for not wearing the Hijab. Of course they should be the focus of these students as well as the oppressive nature of Islam. What the hell is wrong with these people? Insane lefties! If Muslim women want to wear it, it should be THEIR choice. This stupidity only *mocks* Muslim women who are routinely abused. I know and work with American Muslim females and I quote “I’m not wearing that *$#+&*! thing!”