Why are they being allowed back in? They are enemy combatants, fighting on behalf of an entity that has declared war on Europe. European authorities’ refusal to face that fact is suicidal.
“‘Staggering number’ of Europeans embraced jihad, many returning home, EU claims,” FoxNews.com, April 6, 2016:
The European Union’s border agency admitted Tuesday it cannot fully track the flood of refugees pouring in, and said a “staggering number” of Europeans have joined terror groups only to return to the continent amid the migrant wave.
Europe reported a record 1.82 million illegal border crossings last year, according to Frontex, but the group conceded that the true number of illegal crossings is probably much higher because so many refugees have entered Europe undetected.
“The Paris attacks in November 2015 clearly demonstrated that irregular migratory flows could be used by terrorists to enter the EU,” the report said. “With no thorough check or penalties in place for those making such false declarations, there is a risk that some persons representing a security threat to the EU may be taking advantage of this situation.”
Two extremists involved in the Paris attacks entered through the Greek island of Leros and registered with Greek authorities using fraudulent Syrian documents, The Telegraph reported. The route through the Greek islands accounted for the largest number of detections – more than 885,000.
“There is no EU system capable of tracing people’s movements following an illegal border-crossing. Therefore it is not possible to establish the precise number of persons who have illegally crossed two sections of the external borders of the EU,” the report stated.
The EU Commission announced Wednesday it wants to change the standard that forces the first nation where a migrant arrives to process his or her asylum request. “The current system is not sustainable,” EU Vice-President Frans Timmermans said.
Austria’s Interior Minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner and Germany’s Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said Tuesday the EU must link efforts to control migration and improve security by establishing functioning outer borders and improving information exchange channels among its member nations over terror threats.
“A Europe without internal borders can exist only when a European outer border” functions to control those entering the EU, Mikl-Leitner said. Citing figures of 5,000 radicals in Europe, she said the EU needed “systematic border controls … where EU citizens first and foremost are the ones controlled.”…

bygeorge says
Why are they being allowed back in? It’s easier to kill them there, that’s why. Try killing one anywhere in the EU and just watch how fast you’ll end up in prison for a “Hate Crime.”
Christianblood says
In the meantime, American reporters refused to participate in the first journalist tour of liberated Palmyra organized by Russian military. Read it below:
https://www.rt.com/news/338971-us-journalists-ignore-palmyra/
DFD says
What a surprise….
Custos Custodum says
“Though this be madness, yet there is method in’t.
“We lost track!” is a key element in the Left’s strategy to undermine Europe.
As a factual matter, it would, of course, be quite easy to register and administer 2-3 million Muslims using modern techniques: DNA, finger prints, accent analysis, cross-checks among family groups, insistence on original documents that magically appear when the alternative is instant deportation, etc. The reality is that politicians WANT to create an unaccountable class of organized thugs as a means of reducing the productive population to a state of cowed submission .
The point of alleged “non-registration” and throwing away ID papers (under Leftist guidance) at exactly the right time, NO LAWS WHATSOEVER can applied against the Muslim invaders in practice. This technique is well-known to law enforcement dealing with illegal aliens in the U.S. At the same time, social security payments magically materialize without IDs.
Rape? “We had to let him go, it was impossible to determine ID.”
Robbery? Ditto.
Welfare fraud with 5 fake identities? “We still don’t know which if any ID is real.”
Traffic accident after driving without license? “Sorry, we were unable to establish ID, had to let him drive away.”
Want to live in home for “youngsters,” perhaps for a bit of bacha bazi entertainment with younger boys? Self-claimed age is accepted provided refugees do not look over 40.
Finally, even if deportation is decided (after lengthy “investigation” of fraudulent asylum claims): sadly impossible, not clear where is home country is. (And even if it were, the “home country” doesn’t want to take them back.)
KrazyKafir says
The title is misleading since the muslims who left were never Europeans in the first place, and were never going to be Europeans….ever. They are as they have always been, invaders, colonizing new lands for Allah.
Michael Copeland says
“The muslim nation is one nation to the exclusion of all others”
Placard in Oxford Street pro-Sharia demonstration (thinkAfricapress)
Alden says
As long as politics remain as a women who spoke at the German Parliament stated ” Soon we Germans will be a minority in our own country, AND THAT’S A GOOD THING”, then the unthinkable will have to play itself out.
linnte says
Europe must build a huge 20′ high electric fence thousands of miles long. That’s the ONLY non killing answer. And they also must let all the countries of origin know that they will no longer accept any more migrants! Then they need to collect everyone with dual citizenship and deport them.
SpiritOf1683 says
Just round them up and send them to Damascus. I’m sure Assad would like to accommodate them in his jails. That will be far better. What use is an electric fence against an enemy which already lives amongst us?
Christianblood says
(…Staggering number” of Muslims from Europe embraced jihad…)
Of course, why not muslims fully embrace jihad which is their religious duty when they know full well that America and the West are giving them ALL their support such as all the training, arms, money and the political backing they need. Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9RCFZnWGE0Reply
Lee770 says
Israel had fence with Egypt. (now why would not the muslim somalis and eritreans be happy to stay in Egypt???)
Well, Israeli welfare benefits , yes, even to the illegal Eritreans and Somalis.
The fence cut down the onslaught for a while, but recently, those buggers have used ladders, and the quantity per year entering Israel via Egypt has risen
Israel now is raising the level of the fence.
Dear god, has anyone considered why somalis and eritreans are climbing the fence into Israel from Egypt??? These are not terrorists,.
They want welfare benefits in Israel, a better way of life, omg, why don’t they stay in Egypt a muslim country???
why has not one gulf country (saudi, kuwait, etc) taken in , even one refugee??
not one,
again, not one,
what do they know that all of brain dead Europe does ot know and Obama knows but welcomes his brethrens with open arms???
effin makes me ill, why the f do they not stay in Egypt. (somalis and eritreans). building higher and higher ladders to reach the garden of eden, ..Yes, Israel , condemned by the entire UN.
xplain me that please,????
they won’t print this, not even jihad watch to whom i donate graciously, not even even jihad watch.
No one writes about this, Israel has had to highten its fence since they are coming over more and more with ladders. somalis and eritreans to the promised land. yes. why the f do they not stay in egypt?? with their muslim brethren???
where else have you read this, this is fact. Israel is raising the height of the fences, since these utopia seekers are using ladders higher and higher.
Dying to get to the promised land, not terrorists, not. looking for a better life,
how bizarre , tell that at the UN.
gravenimage says
Lee770 wrote:
Israel now is raising the level of the fence.
Dear god, has anyone considered why somalis and eritreans are climbing the fence into Israel from Egypt??? These are not terrorists,.
effin makes me ill, why the f do they not stay in Egypt. (somalis and eritreans). building higher and higher ladders to reach the garden of eden, ..Yes, Israel , condemned by the entire UN…
xplain me that please,????
they won’t print this, not even jihad watch to whom i donate graciously, not even even jihad watch.
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Lee, the idea that Jihad Watch will not let you mention this is ridiculous. Your post has not been removed.
Jihad Watch has, in fact, mentioned the threat to Israel many times–both from violent Jihad like knife attacks and suicide bombings to illegal Muslim immigration like the type you mention.
This Muslim immigration to Israel *is* a threat to her.
And there is no mystery as to why they head to Israel–like European nations, Israel is wealthy and civilized–they would much rather live there than in Egypt.
It is also full of Infidel targets–especially Jews…
Here’s just one story:
“African Immigrant Is Killed After Stabbing Israeli”
http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/333031/african-immigrant-is-killed-after-stabbing-israeli/
DFD says
To Graven and Lee770:
Here’s a link to one of my favorites. Political satire, It’s in Hebrew, English subtitles. Trust me, they are absolutely brilliant. The team is good, the newsreader and his anchor woman (she’s the political correct one).
This one’s from Israel and the ‘refugees’ flooding it. Prayers in the park, the singer (there’s a song about this in there) was attacked and beaten up by Muslim ‘refugees’. So he finally hopes to become a refugee himself, and to escape. From south Tel Aviv to north Tel Aviv. And if you think that’s a mockery on the current, Hah! It’s from 2011.
https://youtu.be/QcjSe_GTVXA
Enjoy
Thomas Hennigan says
That is only half of the solution as places like Spain, Italy and Greece get huge numbers of boat people. They have to do what Australia did with the boat people who used to arrive there. The collected them, put them into internment camps and sent them back. With that the folks at home realized that they were losing their money by getting on the boats, and paying the mafias.
Zeke Zick says
There is a simple answer to this problem. Just ask, “What would Patton do”?
Answer, nuke a major Muslim population center, like Tehran or Mecca, then ask them which city they want to go bye-bye next.
Any body wearing a bed sheet gets to swim back to where they came from, no matter what the distance.
Zeke Zick says
War/Jihad is hell, so give them hell!
Daniel Triplett says
Sounds good to me Brother.
Walter Sieruk says
Some of this Islamic evil and murderous madness in Europe may take the form of jihad suicide/homicide bombing attacks in the future. As had already occurred in London and Madrid in the first decade of this twenty-first century. As well as those brutal and deadly suicide/homicide jihad attacks last November in Paris and last month in Brussels.Such deluded actions of evil are the outcome of Muslim men who are so very brainwashed and delusional as to actually believe in the foolish and bizarre doctrine for the Koran of a brothel full with many houris for the Muslin man who dies fighting for the cause of Islam in the jihad..As the found in the Koran in 44:54. 55:56 .78:31. 9:111. A man who is that irrational and nonsensical in his way of thinking cannot be reasoned with.. For in such is a jihadist warped and weird Koranic mindset it makes “sense” to his far-fetched strange Islamic “cogitation”. So as just stated such a deluded person will not respond to reason.,. So as far as faith in this odd and outlandish Koranic doctrine a place with many houris. had heinously murderous outcome as murdering jihad attacks in London, Madrid, Paris and Brussels. Once again, this a reminder of the French philosopher, Voltaire, did have a very good and valid point when he wrote “As long as men continue to believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.”
Walter Sieruk says
As so many Muslims in Europe may be actually embracing jihad. So also should many Europeans embrace the idea of being diligent and vigilant as to be aware of their surrounding and to be on the outlook for anything the seems not to look quite right. As in “What’s wrong with this picture ?” Then if something seems to appear wrong then she or he should go and tell the right person about it . As a police officer. Therefore ,observance diligence and vigilance is need on the part of the European public because of the great need of security because of the jihadists with their brutal scheming and vicious and murderous intentions
Sam says
I am wondering if any JW follower is planning a vacation in Europe or Middle East? I am from Turkey originally and I do not want to go back there even to see my relatives.
Angemon says
Well, I have to live in Europe for the time being. Truth is, I don’t know of any place that would actually be muslim free or muslim immune, so…
DFD says
To Angemon,
Dear chap,
Your are talking nonsense. Go to the top of the Matterhorn, abundant coal mines in the Ruhr, same with old salt mined in Austria, tin mined in Wales, the Tundras of Scandinavia (especially north of the polar circle), artillery ranges for the military. The list is endless.
There you are….
PS: And in the near future: Libya, Tunesia, Morocco and Somalia; soon there will be no Muslims there. They’ll all be in Europe. What more can you ask for?
Pray, tell.
DFD says
Typo: mined = mines
(the thing should have a review/edit facility)
Angemon says
Are those places muslim immune? Or would muslims follow suit after the yeoman’s work was done?
gravenimage says
DFD says
April 9, 2016 at 5:03 am
To Angemon,
Dear chap,
Your are talking nonsense. Go to the top of the Matterhorn, abundant coal mines in the Ruhr, same with old salt mined in Austria, tin mined in Wales, the Tundras of Scandinavia (especially north of the polar circle)…
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I think in your post you are being sarcastic, DFD–but from this article you can see that not even all of these extreme outlying areas are safe:
“Muslims in the Arctic Circle forced to come up with new rules for Ramadan when they are banned from eating during the day…”
Swedish Muslim associations are rewriting rules to accommodate the light
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3120466/Muslims-Arctic-Circle-urgently-coming-new-rules-forthcoming-Ramadan-banned-eating-day-region-24-hour-sunshine.html
DFD says
To Angemon and Graven,
Oh Dear! I guess that only leaves the artillery ranges…
Aardvark says
Most places of work, such as busy offices, have few or no mohammedans, in my experience.
Except the offices that hand out benefits, of course. Those are swamped.
gravenimage says
A lot of places of business are full of Mohammedans–airports and taxi cab businesses, especially…
Wellington says
Sam: To the Middle East definitely no (unless it were Israel) and to Western Europe increasingly unlikely. I mean aside from the distinct possibility of yet more Muslims behaving badly, often to the point of lethality, the ongoing tragedy that has become Western Europe due to Muslim immigration has to break anyone’s heart who appreciates the greatness of Western Civilization and is knowledgeable of the awfulness of what Islam has wrought wherever it is established and has dominance, Quisling protests to the contrary like those of John Esposito and Karen Armstrong notwithstanding.
Message to Western European countries (which I personally have visited many times): I am very unlikely to any longer visit your countries since you have idiotically allowed in the beast and you keep making excuses for this beast. Do a 180 on Islam or I will probably not visit Western Europe again (Eastern Europe being a very different matter). I wish this sentiment and conviction of mine would be very publicly voiced by millions of Americans (Canadians too). Maybe if this occurred such a kick in the ass would finally wake up Western European elites, though probably not since Western Europe, as presently led by its God-awful elites, is in Extra Stupid Mode where Islam is concerned. Actually, to the point of cultural suicide.
So tragic. So stupid. So unnecessary. In any case, I will almost certainly not visit Western Europe again until it gets it effing act together where Islam is concerned. May this conviction of mine become a chorus sung by millions of others. After all, a high price should be paid for indulging and making excuses for Islam. Yes indeed, a very high price. Besides, not visiting Western Europe is becoming an increasingly safe thing to do, now isn’t it? And lest anyone think I am one-sided in my resolution here, I would encourage Western Europeans to state that they will not visit America until America also does a 180 on Islam. Yes, money talks and this could be a very effective way of impressing upon the elites that the rank and file of one Western country after another has had it up to their collective chin with anymore further exculpation of Islam. Well, whatever it takes, no?
Westman says
Hi Wellington.
I would like to visit the Louvre and the Eiffel Tower for a last time before the priceless art of Paris is destroyed. The last time I was there the city had just put permanent covers on the city’s wrought iron trash cans because of a bombing. That was before I knew anything about Islam.
The most amusing thing in the Louvre was watching the Japanese men jockeying for a position to photograph the Mona Lisa. Marvelous art on two walls and they were ignoring it. That was something like 18 years ago. Good memories. I walked the streets at night, after my professional work, looking at architecture and drinking in the beauty that expressed itself when the city was quiet. That would be unwise, today.
How quickly the accomplishments of hundreds of years can be destroyed by one generation that believes, without experience, living in wealth and cultural richness, that all cultures are equal.
gravenimage says
Westman wrote:
How quickly the accomplishments of hundreds of years can be destroyed by one generation that believes, without experience, living in wealth and cultural richness, that all cultures are equal.
…………………….
Yes, Westman–the most civilized and accomplished societies *in the history of the world*, and we are handing it over to dark ages barbarians.
Suicidal madness. I am angry beyond belief.
And yes–all it takes is one generation that fails to value what it has, and what it takes to maintain and defend their values.
Hope says
Sadly, my dreams of visiting Europe have died. I cannot bear to see Paris or London streets full of zombies in burquas. To say nothing of the risk of being shot or blown up. I mean no offense to the good and decent citizens of European countries who are victims of this unholy hijra.
Fred says
This piece by a muslim journalist sums up their shame very well.
If there is a gold standard by which all “peaceful” and “moderate” Muslims should think and behave, it is Qatar journalist, Nadine Al-Budair.
In writing for the Kuwaiti newspaper, Al Rai, Ms. Al Budair took issue with those who oppose Donald Trump’s position on immigration, specifically Muslim immigration into America.
She spoke to the fact that Muslims have had free passage onto our shores “for years without any fear or worry,” because we Westerners are the tolerant people.
“It is strange that we (Muslims) believe we have the right to condemn such statements [by Trump] rather than address the implications of some of our extremist curricula, our education, and our regimes, and be ashamed (of them).”
“It is strange that we condemn (the West) instead of addressing what is happening in our midst.”
“It is strange that we condemn instead of apologizing to the world.”
It is quite sad that she is so right. We have always been a tolerant nation. While Ms. Al-Budair finds her culture’s approach to addressing radical Islam “strange,” the Muslims are forcing Lady Liberty’s hand and now we recognize Islam’s silence and disregard for terror as emblematic of their faith and culture.
She wants to know how Muslim nations would react to Christians slaughtering them, screaming “infidel” from the pulpit, walking into and blowing up “a theater in your city or café that your son frequents?”
She recognizes the dishonesty inherent in their culture and their refusal to denounce radical Islam.
“After all these farces, some Arab analyst comes out touting a pathetic message, and reciting the same words in his friend’s ear that he has repeated millions of times: ‘Those (Muslims who commit terrorism) do not represent Islam, but only themselves,’”
“This is all we (know how to do) – absolve (ourselves) of guilt.”
Her premise is correct. Never has there been a group of people who can turn a blind eye to the horrors that their faith and culture has brought upon the world, century after century. Germans spoke out against Germans. Japanese spoke out against Japanese.
In our lifetimes we witnessed Tiananmen Square where Chinese youth protesting the government were run over by tanks. Yet, Islam remains silent on all fronts. In doing so, they are complicit with the radicals among them, and they wage a silent Jihad.
Lee770 says
To even fantasize that islamites would apologize, or worry about their returning jihadists friends requires large dose of hallucinagines.
If I understand correctly, by definition, there are no moderate Muslims,
They are required to perform certain actions, many of which result in death of the victims,
Now, why do European countries let them back in, when they return from a Jihadist vacation???? Furthermore, once there and fighting their jihadist war, why in the name of ‘god” or lol ‘allah’ do they return to Europe or US.
We keep on hearing about ‘returning jihadists”,
I’ve never seen an explanation why any return.
totally different subject, what to do with them, when they “return’.
not for this comment
billybob says
You make your point well, Fred. “She recognizes the dishonesty inherent in their culture and their refusal to denounce radical Islam.”
Problem is, they can’t – denounce radical Islam. Try as you might, you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. Robert is fond of saying in his talks, “Let your Quran fall open at any page at random, and you are sure to find a verse with violence against somebody in it.” It’s violent nature cannot be denied – except in an act of ‘Taqiyya’.
I truly believe that for some Muslims, their religion is a thing of peace and beauty. Problem is, it just isn’t Islam. They have made something up to project their inner feelings upon. How could Islam be anything other than evil, when it is nothing but cult worship of an evil warlord from the 7th century?
Baucent says
One thing is certain, the future for Europe is continual terror attacks from jihadists. The freedom of movement agreement between EU countries may have been fine in a stable and peaceful era, but today Europe is at War whether it’s politicians wish to admit that or not. To leave open borders today is madness and and aids the terrorists immensely. Just the shifting around of weapons is so much easier with no border checks. But the EU high priests will resist the re introduction of visa checkpoints as it would roll back the momentum towards political integration and the super-Europe state.
billybob says
“The freedom of movement agreement between EU countries may have been fine in a stable and peaceful era.” – which shall be referred to as Europe’s Golden Era in her obituary.
gravenimage says
“Staggering number” of Muslims from Europe embraced jihad, many returning home
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What could possibly go wrong? sarc/off
Jay Boo says
“‘Staggering number’ of Europeans embraced jihad,
— ( many returning home)
HOME?
— Figuratively speaking, of course
gravenimage says
You are right, Jay Boo–Europe is not “home” for these Mohammedans–it is just the base they use from which to wage violent Jihad.
They are not true Europeans at all.
Westman says
Let’s estimate, based on Brussels, and be conservative at 140 deaths for every 10 jihadists. If 5000 jihadists cause havoc at that rate, 70,000 Europeans would perish. How many does it take to snap European leaders out of their delusion?
DFD says
10,000 possible. 20,000 yes, at least the colonels, (and a number of generals) will act. The current European governments?
The will either
A) Try to calm down the public, relativate (500 to 600 million inhabitants v 20,000 dead id only ~0.005% – 0.005% etc.)
B) Escape
Richard says
A likely explanation for not ‘snapping out of it’, is the irresistible opportunity presented by extremism for leaders to further their narrow personal interests and to expand their coercive power within local business, organizations, society and in the E.U. This is a short-term stratagem which is bound to be overwhelmed by its consequences. (returning trained jihadis) Recent events in Athens, Rome, Brighton and countless unreported incidents in the work-place. Inevitable in post-religious societies as some would say and it will not end until misplaced political correctness is recognised for what it is …
Matthieu Baudin says
“…The European Union’s border agency admitted Tuesday it cannot fully track the flood of refugees pouring in, and said a “staggering number” of Europeans have joined terror groups only to return to the continent amid the migrant wave…”
The thing that is still uppermost in the minds of the authorities is the ‘bad press’ that will be received if and when suspect migrants and asylum seekers, legal or illegal, are turned back or deported from Europe. The horror of mass civilian slaughter still does not weigh heavier on their minds than this. One day this order of preoccupation may reverse itself, but for the time being the authorities are hoping to just ‘wait it out’ until the sunshine returns and no one needs to look for shelter any more.
Bryn Fox says
Politicians with balls (regardless of gender) need to be elected. This crap needs to stop.
These are treasonous acts. Those choosing to leave to fight for ISIS are fighting directly against the free world, and need to have the door closed behind them. Those who threaten ‘Death to America, Europe, Israel, etc’ need to be jailed and deported. Radical mosques need to be sgut down and their Imams deported. Migration needs strong definition. Borders need to be secured and movement controlled. Contracts need to made up and those failing to assimilate need to be deported. No go zones cannot be permitted and any supporting them are to be jailrd and deported. Sharia law needs be banned by law, like Nazism.
Islamists who need Sharia to live need to find another country to live in. If you dont want to live free, and respect the people, ways and laws of freedom, you cannot stay. There’s the door. Lastly, check out what you believe in because Mohammed abrogated every peaceful aspect of Islam and replaced it with eternal terror and war against the infidel. If that’s not what you want then you must leave that evil totalitarian entrapment as well.
DFD says
Robert Spencer says: “…..many returning home”
Define ‘home’
billybob says
Base camp
DFD says
billybob says: “Base camp”
As in target area?
gravenimage says
DFD wrote:
Robert Spencer says: “…..many returning home”
Define ‘home’
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DFD, Robert Spencer is quoting the Fox News story. He himself has noted many times that these are Muslims with European citizenship, *not* actual Europeans who consider these Western nations home in the true sense.
Michael Baker says
Are Islam fighters being allowed back into Europe the same that USA and Turkey support IS while bombing them in Syria. Double policy that severs duplicate goals?
duh+swami says
Jihad has no expiration date…There should be no ‘right to return’…
mortimer says
Concise…however, international law says otherwise…e.g. the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
Concise…however, international law says otherwise…e.g. the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness.
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Mortimer, if these Jihadists are *fighting for the Islamic State* then they have chosen that hell hole over the civilized Western nations that took them in.
This is how Australia sees it:
“Australia to cancel citizenships of up to 110 Muslims who’ve joined the Islamic State”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/australia-to-cancel-citizenships-of-up-to-110-muslims-whove-joined-the-islamic-state
Custos Custodum says
International treaties can be abrogated at the stroke of a pen.
This is a point that the MSM work hard to cover up with shrieks of holier-than-thou self-righteousness.
Singh the Sikh says
As I have said in other places, albeit not as bluntly, Europe is quite apt at fucking itself into oblivion nowadays. Pardon the language but the stakes are quite high. If Europe falls to the Islamists, rest of the world will be overrun. It’s a scary thought, even if it might not happen in our lifetime.
Custos Custodum says
If Europe falls to the Islamists, ..
Why “if”?
Sadly, Western Europe at least may already have reached the point of no return. Politicians naturally seek support and votes wherever they can find them, and with the decline of Christian churches and Judeo-Christian values, there is absolutely no COUNTERVAILING force, whether religious or political.
An old American political adage has it that “you can’t fight SOMETHING with NOTHING.” This is true of broad cultural conflicts as much as local elections.
Olaf says
When these Islamist’s Get hold of a nuke, which they will. Then the Leftist Governments will wake up
mortimer says
Jihadists returning to European countries should be dealt with through a system of military, island prisons similar to that of Guantanamo. Returning jihadists should be held their until they are thoroughly deprogrammed by expert deprogrammers who will expose them to hundreds of texts, films, interviews and lectures that thoroughly debunk jihadism and Islam in general, proving them to be baseless, immoral and false.
Custos Custodum says
Sorry, won’t work. For starters, how would one actually know that the “returnees” are cured? This is like religious programs in our jails that are cynically abused to demonstrate that inmates have become “reborn” (only to quickly re-offend once prematurely released).
Better idea – have the returnees sort and process hazardous waste in Africa (where some hazmat waste is shipped). Yes – let’s give them proper hazmat suits etc., we want them to have long and productive lives.
We need to remind ourselves that “fighting” for Islamic State is not a trivial transgression – even an entirely passive IS participant is complicit in and thus guilty of thousands of murders and rapes by his fellow gang members under accepted standards of criminal law.
The totalitarian Left needs its romantic visions of virile men (think Ernesto Guevara, Fidel Castro, Trotsky) in exotic uniforms “fighting” in “liberation movements”
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
Jihadists returning to European countries should be dealt with through a system of military, island prisons similar to that of Guantanamo. Returning jihadists should be held their until they are thoroughly deprogrammed by expert deprogrammers who will expose them to hundreds of texts, films, interviews and lectures that thoroughly debunk jihadism and Islam in general, proving them to be baseless, immoral and false.
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Mortimer, how would that work? Jihadists regard us as the “filthy Kuffar”–why would they listen to anything we have to say?
The two platforms–related, of course–on which to debunk Islam are the rational and the ethical.
But Muslims explicitly reject reason, so the first will not work with them.
As for the second, Muslims completely reject actual morality–they believe that pedophilia, piracy, slavery, rape, the mass murder of Infidels, and the imposition of brutal Shari’ah law is perfectly Halal, because this was what their foul “Prophet” practiced.
And then there is the problem Custos Custodum raises–how would we know if such a program actually worked, given the Muslim tenets of lying to the Kuffar?
The savvier Jihadists would just claim they were all “cured”, and gain release, and be right back at Jihad.
This has, in fact, already happened. No Jihadist released from Gitmo ever admitted he was going to return to waging Jihad.
The only thing that has ever really worked with Islam is containment–which is why we were (comparatively) free from Jihad terror in the West from the early 19th through mid 20th centuries.
Redmond says
No one is going to pay for the old Europeans’ pension. The Arabs came in not for the purpose of being taxpayers but to be welfare addicts because that’s what they’re used to in the middle-east, milking the christians and jewa dry with jizya. If they only opened their borders to east-asian refugeea, things will be different.
mortimer says
Agree. Many Muslims see the kafirs of the West as their dhimmis to be exploited. They hate the dirty kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’ and accept their tribute money as they prepare to commit jihad against those countries. (…recommended by Anjem Choudary, Anwar Awlaki, etc.)
DFD says
To Redmond & Mortimer:
Yep. The link below sums it up (if you haven’t seen it before, in that case: Sorry)
https://youtu.be/wq_lhlIn1e0
gravenimage says
Grimly brilliant, DFD! Thanks for posting it–I had not seen this before.
Richard Paulsen says
EU and NATO in the hands of terrorists? Not impossible. There are 1, 6 billion muslims in the world. Some 2, 2 billion in 2030.
Not enough seem to realize. Neither i Europe nor in the U. S. A.
Must realize. Not allow history repeat itself.
Mark A says
Lunacy. These people have been fighting for an organization which has declared war on Europe. That makes them traitors and enemy combatants.
Why reward treason? Strip these people of the European citizenship and let them go to live in their ISIS paradise.