This is the way it always is. The assumption is that in Muslim countries, non-Muslims should adapt their behavior to conform to Muslim sensibilities. And in non-Muslim countries, non-Muslims should adapt their behavior to conform to Muslim sensibilities.
“Swiss anger at Muslim handshake exemption in Therwil school,” BBC, April 5, 2016:
A Swiss secondary school has caused uproar by allowing two Muslim boys not to shake hands with women teachers – a common greeting in Swiss schools.
The boys had told the school in the small, northern town of Therwil it was against their faith to touch a woman outside their family.
Justice Minister Simonetta Sommaruga said shaking hands was part of Swiss culture and daily life.
A local teachers’ union said the exemption discriminated against women.
The case has propelled Therwil, a town of 10,000 people in the Basel-Country canton, to the centre of a national debate about Swiss identity. A similar case has been reported elsewhere in the region.
Christian Amsler, head of the Swiss Conference of Cantonal Ministers of Education, suggested that the school may have tried to get an “unpleasant problem out of the way” but had simply made a mistake.
There has been little support for the school’s decision to grant special dispensation to the boys, who are 14 and 15 and have lived in Switzerland for several years….

linnte says
I so wish that school would put their foot down hard and just say, “If you can’t abide by our rules, then maybe you and your parents need to home school”. This is TOTALLY a slam on women and discriminatory also. Maybe the boys should be made to put a bright yellow glove on which will separate them from touching the woman. Bright yellow, for COWARD! SHEESH!
Marcel Bérubé says
And easier than that , you say to the father and mother of these children : « Your problem is quite
simple. You don’t share are values so , starting this month the social allowances you received for
the children , the credits for income taxes report , are no longer coming up to you . » If they persist,
you canceled medicare cards and so on . Money is the name of the game so cut where it counts.
Solutions are very simple .
robert says
GREAT IDEA -better still ship them back to where they came from if possible.
Mirren10 says
Bravo, Marcel !
I’ve been saying this for *years*.
And it’s exactly what all European governments should be saying, loud and clear, to all the ‘migrants’.
You will get no benefits, you will get *nothing*, so don’t waste your time trying to get here.
I guarantee the flood will speedily slow to a trickle, and then dry up.
Carolyne says
In Guantanamo our military personnel is required to handle Korans wearing gloves. This is because Muslims consider non-Muslims to be dirty. In agreeing to do this, the US is admitting that infidels are not worthy of touching the so-called muslim holy book and are, indeed, dirty. This is sort of the same idea as the Swiss allowing muslim boys to not touch an unrelated woman. I note, however, this stricture doesn’t seem to apply to muslim men raping infidel women. I think that would require some touching. I am not capitalizing “muslim” because I do not have the respect for musims which that would require.
LR says
The school needs to talk to the parents not the student.
To The Parents;
“Against your religion? You are welcome to your religion, but we do not make exceptions for that sort of misogynist belief system here. Your son either respectfully shakes the hand of the teachers here, or you have the choice for him not to come to school anymore.
Now, why is that so hard to say?
People better give that school hell, and the school better not change it’s policy for such ridiculousness.
an says
Better choice – go and live in a Muslim country and enjoy the backward and primitive facilities and lack of education, political corruption, mysogny, disease and hardship. The more that go the better. They don’t belong in a civilised society.
Carolyne says
It’s hard to say because it is (shudder) Islamophobic. We must not upset the little dears.
Matthieu Baudin says
This anti female behaviour goes on and on in many areas and rarely gets reported in the media. Moslem men and boys who refuse to be served by female librarians or who spit at female migration officials and play havoc in many other institutional settings. But no one wants to make a fuss and staff are left to suffer in silence and to bear the humiliation alone. Through this mass acquiescence a great game is being played out, where the obnoxious stubborn bullies rewrite the rules.
Baucent says
“Through this mass acquiescence a great game is being played out, where the obnoxious stubborn bullies rewrite the rules.”
Beautifully expressed.
lane says
I agree with you both. And here’s my perspective to add to the mix: I see the parents in the principal’s office. The message to the parents is simple: Our school. Our rules. One rule is that we do not allow religious practices to dictate how we behave. We have a code of conduct here. If it is uncomfortable for you, then perhaps you will have to find another school that will fit in better with your needs. You see…
And then the principal gives her (yes, in my mind it’s a lady) response to the parents while in her office, and she also turns on the PA system for the school:
We honour all religions. But their practices do not apply to how we conduct ourselves within our school environment. They do not dictate how we behave. Ethics dictate how we behave. Respect dictates how we behave. And that means respect for all people, no matter the shade of their skin, color of their eyes, or gender. We show respect to our teachers by shaking their hands. This is a pretty typical practice throughout the world. And when we say teacher, we don’t just mean male teachers. We have teachers of both sexes. We require that they both be treated with the same respect. It really is that simple. Good luck with your quest to find a school that will break its own rules of conduct in order to take care of yours. And I mean “good luck” sincerely; I’m not being sarcastic. It must be rather challenging to have to request that social norms be bent because your religion does not provide the same level of respect to our female teachers as it would to our male teachers. And frankly we find that insulting. Insulting to our female educators who deserve every bit as much respect as their male counterparts do. Funny. My religion does not require me to disrespect anyone in order to practice it. In fact it teaches me that we’re all children of God. And all of us, gender notwithstanding, deserve respect. Cut to shot of parents, looking a bit taken aback and unable to find the words…fade to black.
Kessler says
So the parents are confirming that they and their children must not integrate. If they refuse to integrate and oppose Western culture, I think further examination needs to be done. ie, what is their view on sharia law, do they oppose free speech including the right to satire/critizise their religion/prophet? If they are devout – as it seems – I doubt it.
This is never asked enough – we just assume that any muslim not persuing the murder of infidels are moderate. Fact is that all muslims favouring Islamic law over Western democracy is ideologically aligned with the “extremists” (islamists) and have absolutely NO PLACE in our society – at some level they are actively working against it and seek to dismantle it. Stealth jihadists.
How refreshing to be able to state these facts without being branded a racist.
Charli Main says
These Muslims students don’t have to shake hands with female teachers but it will probably be OK with the school, if they grope these female teachers.
After all, these Muslim students have the right to practice their religion. Perhaps, the school can put up signs reminding the ” students ” to wash their hands afterwards.??? That will make it OK with Allah.
Shane Brandon says
What a strange custom.Muslim men/boys not allowed to shake hands with female teachers and other western females,but raping them is permitted. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
Ted Tyler says
What I see here is an attempt at Islamization. In the past, the religion and customs of Islam have gradually insert themselves into every culture that Islam has invaded. As the population of Muslims increases, their demands will become greater and greater. Small steps at first – but with each SUBMISSION to Islam, the steps will be larger. The steps must be halted – while they are still small.
jericko_One says
I am from Switzerland the little Muhammadan had even IS Videos on his Facebook Account,what a surprise….
linnte says
Gee, I wonder why Facebook hasn’t reported these boys for terror accounts?
William says
You can’t shake a woman’s hand but it’s OK to put your grubby hands on her against her will… are there two rules?
Angemon says
And they want no part of it. And forcing them would be “bigotry” because they must make special accommodations so muslims can feel at home. And in a decade or so, when these kids start waging jihad, pundits will talk about how “racist” and “discriminatory” Swiss people are, and how they failed to “integrate” muslims in Swiss society.
David says
Sorry folks. But, I am not going to change MY behavior to conform to the sensibilities of these satan worshippers.
When have any Muslims been concerned about ME? Or my believes?
It’s always got to be one way for the Satanists. There way. I don’t bow down to satan. And I’ve never asked anyone else todo aanything special for me.
Redmond says
Muslims lack self control. Just accidentally touching a female skin will send them into violent epileptic seizures caused by sexual fantasies.
Expatico says
At least they didn’t stone her, like they did a Swiss kid who wouldn’t shake their hand at the train station in Wohlen. http://expatico.blogspot.ch/2016/04/africans-stone-young-swiss-man-for.html
sham says
FREEDOM OF WESTERN WOMEN VS ISLAM
Is Democracy really able to provide eternal values that will be
conducive to human salvation? In reality, Democracy is but the rule of
the majority. Can it be really possible for the majority in a society to
develop and formulate the laws that are to be necessarily followed for
the conduct of life of a people? The majority of the people in Europe
and America have accepted the system of dating wherein young girls
and boys come to know each other intimately, to intermingle with each
other freely and even to sleep together as well before marriage. It is,
after all, this acceptance and licentious ways that has served to torment
that society with the afflictions of deadly diseases like AIDS and of
other numerous mental disorders. In fact, the increasing rate of crime
and sex related diseases in third world countries, like India, which are
passionately following the western values owes this to their dependence
on democracy to deliver the right course of conduct. Here, the fact
becomes clear that it is the Lord God Himself, who created man, Who
is to teach how man is to lead his life.
What is modern democracy? It is nothing but a new name that
has been conferred upon Capitalism. Are not man and woman equal
in the capitalist world? For those who seek to give the answer merely
by looking upon the participating presence of both the sexes at the
offices, it may be possible to give ‘yes’ as an answer. However, they
refuse to accept the fact that Capitalism prevents woman from fulfilling
the role which nature has demanded of her. Modern Democracy can
very well ask woman to work alongside man, to earn her salary and
to go forth into the market place. But who, indeed, can ask man to
undertake pregnancy, to give birth and to breast-feed like the woman.
It may, perhaps, be possible for capitalism to ask the nation to provide
for woman who gives birth to a child who knows not its own father.
But, which, indeed, is the ideology that can confer solace upon the
woman who yearns to be fondled by the father of the child within her?
It may be possible for a consumerist culture to provide baby food for
the offspring that is born without ever being able to know the identity
of its own parents. But, which television ad is it that will provide
contentment to the minds of the little ones who yearn for the love of
the mother and the protection of the father?
The equality of the sexes is a myth; a myth that has been fostered
within human minds by democracy with the aid of the media. A woman
can never become likea man nor can a man ever become likea woman.
Western democracy, which teaches woman to be like man, is, in reality,
making the life of woman unbearable. Through this, it wrecks the
family and, with it, the very moral fibre of the society as well.
Capitalism sees every thing in the world as a part of
consumerism. Man and woman are no exceptions. Their emotions or
their problems are hardly issues of its concern. For it looks only to the
market. It thinks of nothing but the objects that will serve to accelerate
the various processes therein. This is the position of woman in
capitalism. She is always the model, the call-girl, the stenographer, the
secretary, the dancer, the actress; but never is she allowed to be the
mother by capitalism. After all, her being a mother would diminish her
market value; wouldn’t it?! Then she becomes an old woman; an
inhabitant of old-age homes; one destined to live the rest of her life
counting the days to her end.
The Qur’an, however, presents a most practical, yet moral,
system. A practical system which moves forward always in harmony
with human nature. In its vision, the human being is not only the one
with rosy cheeks and unwrinkled skin, but he is also the child within its
mother’s womb as also the aged one awaiting death. Indeed, its
command encompasses even the dead body which is never to be
violated.
The Qur’an is never in conformity with the utilitarianism of
Capitalism. This is the main point of divergence where the Qur’anic
vision differs from the view of modern democracy over the subject of
woman. The Qur’an never sees woman as a source of economic gain.
It never agrees to see her as an instrument of trade either; for she is
one half of the human soul; the veritable mother of society. It is her
motherhood which Islam considers first and foremost. It emphasizes
that it is on the lap of the mother that the very bedrock of the institution
of the family, the fundamental unit of morality that is so vital in society,
is nurtured. The Lord Creator, who revealed the Qur’an, is well aware
of the difficulties and limitations faced by a woman who becomes a
mother. Indeed, these have been given due consideration by the Qur’an.
The outlook of capitalism is that it is virginity – in fact, that hypocritical
pretentious virginity – that has the most ‘market value’. This has also
been the basic difference in the professed value – frameworks of Islam
and Capitalism.
Hope says
sham, every time you post here you prove the same point, and it is a point on which we both agree: Islam is completely and utterly incompatible with Western civilization. These two belief systems are antithetical and have no means of finding common ground. The islamic concept of morality, enforceable by the murder, rape, beating and honor-killing of women, will never be acceptable to civilized people. Furthermore, your flowery description of the Islamic attitude toward women actually does nothing more than drone on and on while saying absolutely nothing of substance. The point of this JW article by Robert Spencer is this: Muslims in Switzerland and every other non-muslim country must conduct themselves according to the laws and customs of said country or else exercise another option, which in America is known as GTFO.
BC says
Of course that does not apply when they want to rape them, then ‘touching’ is all right. I am sure the majority of these a@@holes, would have no hesitation if they got a teacher in a corner or a locked room.
davej says
The unfortunate truth is that Muslims demand special exceptions from our societal rules on every front. They demand their own swimming hours. They want foot baths in public facilities. If a taxi driver they won’t serve anyone using alcohol or transport their service dog. If a truck driver they won’t deliver alcohol. If a student they won’t shake hands.
Never before have we had an immigrant group so opposed to assimilation or one that possesses an ideology of supremacy and submission of the host country.
They are different and must be treated differently. We must not give way and bend our institutions to their ideology. This will lead to the planned slow conquest of the West.
Muslim_Always says
Why is Robert Spencer making a big deal out of this?
A Muslim man is not allowed to shake the hands of a Muslim female who is not his relative.
A Muslim woman is not allowed to shake the hands of a Muslim male who is not her relative.
There is no discrimination but only in the figment of your imagination.
It is part of the Islamic ethics, if the students do not want to shake the hands of his female teachers due to Islamic reasons what is the big deal? There are other ways the students can greet their teachers.
This is not anything personal, it is simply following the way of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him hence obedience to Allah.
linnte says
Because when you allow this discrimination, you are FORCING the teacher to follow ISLAM. That’s why. It is the insidious and pernicious acceptance of Sharia. BULL SHIT to you. It IS A BIG DEAL. It means acceptance against the will of another and it also means that the Muslims are NOT truly assimilating into their host culture. If they don’t want to share in the culture, then why did they go there in the first place? Go to Saudi Arabia or Iran or another Muslim country and celebrate their paranoid beliefs there!
Ted Tyler says
Islam makes a very large number of rules for Muslims to follow. Some are good, but in general, Islam makes its followers submit to far more rules than the culture of the west is able to tolerate. In Islam, if you break those rules, then there are severe penalties. If you dare to criticize the philosophy of Islam or Muhammad, then you are in very serious trouble. We like our freedoms and we want to keep it that way. Now Islam comes along and tries to insert its customs into our culture. We make an effort to make a separation between Church and State. It does not always work, but most of us try to make it that way. If you have a religious philosophy keep it in the privacy of your own home or place of supernatural fantasy worship. This seems to work well enough for Jews, Christians, Mormons, Buddhists, Christian Scientists, and even the totally insane Scientologists. So why does this not work for Muslims? Very simply, because Islam specifically trains its subjects to submit. You don’t submit, then you are in trouble. Well we don’t like that philosophy. Keep you religion our of our schools. If you can’t do that, then find a country to live in that is more compatible with your religious mandates.
Hope says
Islam will not be allowed to dominate and subjugate European culture. If Islam is so incompatible with Western values – and it is – then Muslims should remain in the Middle East where Islamic intolerance is “tolerated.”
sidney penny says
Mohamed Atta 9/11 terrorist;(not shaking hands with women.)
But according to Professor Dittmar Machule, who was Atta’s thesis supervisor at a technical university in Hamburg in the 1990s, Atta was “very religious,” prayed regularly, and would not shake hands with a woman to whom he had been introduced.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/911-analysis-the-claim-that-able-danger-failed-to-identify-mohamed-attas-probable-presence-in-the-us-in-january-2000/5474994
References for Point H-2
[1]
There is considerable evidence that the man who was calling himself “Mohamed Atta” in the United States prior to 9/11, and who after 9/11 was accused of being one of the (alleged) hijackers, was not the real Mohamed Atta. In the first place, the behavior and attitudes of the two men were reportedly very different:
“According to the American press, Mohamed Atta drank heavily. After downing five glasses of vodka, wrote Newsweek, Atta shouted an Arabic word that “roughly translates as ‘F—k God.’” Investigative reporter Daniel Hopsicker, who wrote a book about Atta, stated that Atta regularly went to strip clubs, hired prostitutes, drank heavily, and took cocaine. Atta even lived with a stripper for several months and then, after she kicked him out, came back and disemboweled her cat and dismembered its kittens. (Daniel Hopsicker, “The Secret World of Mohamed Atta: An Interview With Atta’s American Girlfriend,” InformationLiberation, August 20, 2006.”
“But according to Professor Dittmar Machule, who was Atta’s thesis supervisor at a technical university in Hamburg in the 1990s, Atta was “very religious,” prayed regularly, and would not shake hands with a woman to whom he had been introduced. As for drinking: “I would put my hand in the fire,” said the professor, that he “will never taste or touch alcohol.” (Professor Dittmar Machule, “Interviewed by Liz Jackson, A Mission to Die For,” Four Corners, October 18, 2001.”
DP111 says
From Plunn Tenets
We are submitting already;
1. not publishing cartoons of Mohammed after CH – submission
2. changing the dates of exams to avoid Islamic religious festivals – submission
3. suspension of critical thinking on Islam and ignoring Political Islam – submission
4. Religious hatred act – submission
5. instigation as aspects of Sharia Law in the UK – submission
6. Calling Rotherham abusers ‘Asian’ – submission
7. Calling Islam a religion of Peace and allowing Islamic preachers to enter churches and further tell us Islam is a religion of Peace – submission
8. Not teaching the history of Political Islam in our schools – submission
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/08/swiss-magazine-europe-abolishing-mass-immigration/
And this
Christian NHS worker who gave religious book to Muslim loses appeal over ruling
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/christian-nhs-worker-gave-religious-book-muslim-loses-124645794.html
DP111 says
This is evidence that Muslims in France, even Muslim cops, no longer believe that France is dar al Harb but is now dar al Islam.
This is evidence that Muslims in France, even Muslim cops, no longer believe that France is dar al Harb but is now dar al Islam. In Muslim eyes, France is now dar al Islam. French Muslim will increasingly refuse to comply or even respect French authority.
https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/ausland/2016/frankreichs-polizei-hat-problem-mit-radikalen-moslems/
We are rapidly moving to a serious conflict in Europe. Civil war – one that I have predicted for decades. Its a real shame that many innocents will quite unnecessarily be injured, because of blind attachment to egalitarian Pollyanna principals, that have no place in a fallen world.
The only real military power in Europe is the USA. The only power that can cross all European borders – no questions asked. All European leaders know this.
Charli Main says
I think that Americans will be to busy fighting Obama´s Mujahedeen, to be able to help Europe.