“I am one of the first political leaders officially declaring that anti-Semitism is a crime. I expect an official declaration that Islamophobia is a crime against humanity as well. Islamophobia emerged from the Western countries and this is a challenge that we all together need to surmount.” Since honest discussion of how jihadis use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and supremacism is generally classified as “Islamophobia,” such a declaration would have the effect of stifling all examination of or opposition to the jihadis’ motives and goals. The jihadis could then advance unimpeded and unopposed.
“Erdogan: Anti-Semitism is a crime, Islamophobia should be too,” Jerusalem Post, April 3, 2016:
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in an interview with CNN ensured that Jewish citizens living in Turkey will be safe, and slammed European countries for not heeding his terror warnings.
When asked by CNN correspondent Christine Amanpour about the heightened threat towards Jews in Turkey, Erdogan firmly replied: “We have a very significant number of Jewish citizens and they have always been safe and secure where they are in Turkey.”…
On the alarming trend of anti-Semitism in Turkey and across Europe, Erdogan said: “I am one of the first political leaders officially declaring that anti-Semitism is a crime,” he said, adding “I expect an official declaration that Islamophobia is a crime against humanity as well. Islamophobia emerged from the Western countries and this is a challenge that we all together need to surmount.”
Erdogan also slammed European member states for not heeding his terror warnings, saying: “We have been calling the nations for a common stand against terrorism and many of the European member states failed to attach the significance that this call for action deserved.”
On the increased number of European nationals fleeing their countries to fight for ISIS, Erdogan added: “We have French fighters with ISIS, we have German fighters in ISIS, we have Australian fighters in ISIS and 22 countries out of the 19 countries feeding fighters into ISIS are EU member states. This is very meaningful which is why we need to form a strong alliance with EU member states.”…

Rev g says
I am with him, all the way up to the part about “ophobia”.
Islam should be declared a crime against humanity.
Jayke says
I don’t agree with his assertion that they (Turkey) “have a very significant number of Jewish citizens” … 25 thousand in a country of 75 million does not constitute any kind of significant number. If he thinks that then his antisemitism is truly shining through. What a turkey!
maghan says
Not just that. The guy is a certified crackpot.
Peggy says
He’s a Jihadist so we should stay clear of him.
To say that because Jews are safe in his country therefore we have to make sure that Muslims are safe in our countries is such a ridiculous thing.
Jews in his country are so few in number and they couldn’t be a problem even if they wanted to while Muslims are breeding out of control and foricing their way into our countries and they are determined to overthrow us.
Our governments shoudl tell him to bugger off and stop annoying us.
mortimer says
Jews in Turkey must live in seclusion and constant fear.
64% of Turks do not want to see Jews as their neighbors, 76% has a negative attitude towards Jews, and only 7% is positive.
In the past, Erdoğan has been known for harsh anti-Israeli rhetoric.
At the end of March 2005 the attention of Western media was drawn towards Turkey to the fact that Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf was running at 4th place on the Turkish best-seller lists for the first two months of 2005. Its low price (4.5 US dollars) made it affordable and hit for high sales, from 50 to 100 thousand copies of the book were sold.
From 1986 until the present in Turkey, there were three anti-Jewish terrorist attacks. In all three cases, the militants attacked the main synagogue of Istanbul, Neve Shalom.
On 6 September 1986 a terrorist from the Palestinian organization of Abu Nidal shot with a machine gun visitors at Istanbul synagogue Neve Shalom during Sabbath prayers. 23 Jews were killed and 6 were injured.
A report of the World Jewish Congress noted that during the operation in Gaza, the Turkish justice system did not pursue antisemitic actions of participants and did not interfere with antisemitic incitement.
In July 2014, Imam Mehmet Sait Yaz gave a sermon in Diyarbakir which was broadcast by OdaTV and later translated by cited by MEMRI. During the sermon, Yaz stated that “You shall find the Jews to be the most hostile toward the believers. The most rabid and savage enemies of Islam on this Earth are the Jews. Who said this? Allah did” and that “These Jews spoil all the agreements on Earth and have murdered 17 of their own prophets … And I declare here: All Jews who have taken up arms to murder Muslims must be killed, and Israel must be wiped off the map! This will be done with the help of Allah. Have no fear. These are good tidings. This is gospel…The Muslims will attack Israel and the Jews. The Jews will run and hide. When the Jew hides behind [trees and] stones, the [trees and] stones will say: ‘Oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind you. Come and get him.” AKP lawmaker Cuma Icten, who subsequently posted Yaz’s speech on his Facebook page, described Yaz’s words as “magnificent.”
bostongal912 says
Mortimer you are so knowledgeable and I love reading what you write! Thank you for all of the great posts!!!!
gravenimage says
Very true, Mortimer. Excellent post.
maghan says
I always wonder what would Kemal Ataturk make of this retarded fool. Turkey was on the right track when he declared Muhammad an “immoral Arab” who founded a so-called religion more fit for savage desert trekkers than for “progressive society”.
Mockingjay says
maghan:
“Kemal Ataturk (…) declared Muhammad an “immoral Arab” who founded a so-called religion more fit for savage desert trekkers than for “progressive society”.”
Those are true words indeed!
Mitch Kumstein says
He done said the truff! Dat be fur sure!!
Telh says
Exactly. Antisemitism is about race. Islam is a religion. Pity Erdogan can’r tell the difference.
Carolyne says
Erdogan presupposes that Muslims are human.
Rev g says
I detest islam. I do not trust muslims because of islam. Still, I do not presuppose that anyone is not human.
Rob Porter says
Revg, Erdogan’s is a stupid argument so typical of what we can expect from the Islam-befuddled mind of Recep Erdogan. He is (conveniently) equating ‘anti-semitism’ with phony ‘Islamophobia’ rather than equating ‘anti-Muslim’ with ‘anti-Semitism’. This clown is comparing an ideology (Islam) with a race or people, in this case the Jewish people. If his argument were to have any validity he would be equating Islam’s Judeophobia with Islamophobia. Just watch Obama come to the support of Erdogan!
Marty says
Well said.
Islamophobia is oxymoronic & belongs with naziophobia,
& pedophilophobia.
Come to think of it the latter two non phobias constitute a lot
of mainstream muslim beliefs.
American posters might be interested to know that the brother of
the UK’s islamophile Leader of the Opposition has been retweeting
some interesting theories as well as positing his own opinions.
These include IS does not invade Israel, because Israel supports it.
Also, 9/11 was not a Saudi operation at all, but was organised by
the CIA & Mossad.
Shoud one laugh or weep ?
dajjal says
We should execrate, earnestly supplicating the Almighty for the immediate death & eternal damnation of the liars & traitors.
Mitch Kumstein says
thereligionofpeace.com keeps track of the Islam invasion>
Mark Swan says
Have you been branded an Islamophobe – a slur word invented by Muslim leaders.
Then join the ranks of the world’s greatest movers and shakers of history.
Here are just a few of them and of their opinions:
An extremely large percentage of Muslims in South Asia today are the progeny of forcible conversions and systematic rape campaigns by marauding Muslim invaders.
– Dr. Younis Shaikh
Pakistani medical doctor, human rights activist and freethinker.
Some, indeed, dream of an Islam in the future, rationalised and regenerate. All this has been tried already, and has miserably failed. The Koran has so encrusted the religion in a hard unyielding casement of ordinances and social laws, that if the shell be broken the life is gone. A rationalistic Islam would be Islam no longer.
– Sir William Muir
Scottish Orientalist, scholar of Islam, and colonial administrator (27 April 1819 – 11 July 1905).
The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation. For those who are outside the corporation, there is nothing but contempt, slavery and enmity.
– Dr.B.R. Ambedkar
Indian jurist, economist, politician and social reformer (14 April 1891 – 6 December 1956).
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
– Sir Winston Churchill
British Conservative politician and statesman of the United Kingdom (30 November 1874 – 24 January 1965).
Religious harmony is a desirable thing. But it takes two to play the game. Unfortunately such a sentiment holds no position in Islamic theology.
– Ram Swarup
Independent Hindu thinker and prolific author (1920 – 26 December 1998).
Over a billion people believe in Allah without truly knowing what Allah supposedly stands for or what he really demands of them. And the minority that do understand continue to be Moslems because they have redefined their morality and ethics to fit within the teachings of Islam, which are floridly lacking in morality. They therefore redefine what is good and evil in order to fit their lives into what is preached by Islam, instead of examining Islam to see if it fits within the good life. Backwards thinking, imposed by a backward religion.
– Professor Bertrand Russell
British philosopher, logician, mathematician, historian, and social critic (18 May 1872 – 2 February 1970).
The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.
– Will Durant
American writer, historian, and philosopher (November 5, 1885 – November 7, 1981
There are such “social values” today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do – that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.
– Theodore “Teddy” Roosevelt
26th President of the United States
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gabi says
Oh, good for Erdogan and islam! But first: Armenian genocid is crime against humanity. First Turkey must asume the Armenian genocide. Then Turkey has the right to speak about genocides and crimes against humanity. Not now, not Erdogan! Firts the Armenians!
the renegade says
Admitting Armenian genocide is a far fetched for Turks. They are still at Armenians throat supporting their deviant brethren the Azeris (Azerbhaijan) in trying to complete the genocide which they started a century back.
Humanity is cruel as it is, with Islam mixed in the human mind, you are dealing with a demonic monster that wont stop till it gets blood.
I wish i was born a rock instead of a human or any other living being which humans treat cruelly.
Sometimes with all the cruelty in this world, it is easier either to not believe there is a God or a God that is so cruel that he lets monsters like this keep committing cruel acts on his own children that are neither strong nor barbaric enough to defend themselves.
God if u r there, now would be a good time as any to make your presence felt before we loose complete faith in you or your existence.
gabi says
God knows better – and what don’t kill us make us stronger. Sometimes I’m telling myself we have to thank jihadists for their cruelty and non-humanity: because they make us re-think our way of life and return to Jesus. But this a theoretical discussion; meanwhile thousands of Chirstians, non-jihadist Muslims, Budhists and Jews are killed around the world and their churches are erased. I think it’s time for Muslims to say loud and clear which side they are.
gravenimage says
the renegade wrote:
Humanity is cruel as it is, with Islam mixed in the human mind, you are dealing with a demonic monster that wont stop till it gets blood.
I wish i was born a rock instead of a human or any other living being which humans treat cruelly.
………………………….
Renegade, many humans are kind both to one another and to other living things.
It helps, as you note, to have a religion or philosophy that urges humans to be good and kind. Islam does anything but.
Don’t despair!
Mark Swan says
Excellent points gravenimage…Absolutely Correct
Mark Swan says
Maybe, we should ask “Why do We, suddenly bring a real God into the picture when most of the time We push Him away, ignore or doubt His existence.
The next question we should pose, to those who complain about a supposed irrational or malevolent God, is: Which God are We talking about? The actual God who reveals Himself in the Bible? Or a god of Our own un-biblical teaching or human imagination?
What does the Bible actually say about our modern society and human suffering? First, it tells us that our world today is not “God’s world,” Notice: “But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them” (2 Corinthians 4:3–4). So the “god” of this world is Satan the devil! Even Jesus Christ stated, near the end of His human life: “I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me” (John 14:30).
Many who are quick to say “God is a fake!” quickly want Him real to life when tragedy strikes! The truth of the Bible—which very few believe—is that the Creator of heaven and earth is trying to teach humanity “lessons” for all eternity. He has made mankind in His “image” (Genesis 1:26–28).
But, with our vain and self-willed human nature, we are not ready for such power and responsibility until we have truly learned awesome lessons through the crucible of human experience and suffering.
In the New Testament, the Apostle Paul was inspired to proclaim: “For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now” (Romans 8:18–22).
We—are deeply humbled by the awesome forces of creation that God has set in motion, we will begin to realize that human life apart from the true God is futile. This may seem “cruel” or “unfair” to those who lack understanding of the awesome power and glory that God has in mind for those who truly serve and obey Him. But it is often the only way human beings are willing and able to learn.
He does not do this in spite, but in genuine out-flowing concern to help a people who have been totally obsessed with “me-ism” and materialism. He wants us to wake up and be willing to genuinely seek our Creator and fulfill the supreme purpose for which we are drawing breath.
Surprisingly few even own or read the Bible.
Most People are largely unacquainted with God.
We need to be willing to heed the direct words of the Bible
in a way we have never done before!
Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth!
For the Lord has spoken:
“I have nourished and brought up children,
And they have rebelled against Me;
Isaiah 1:2
“When you come to appear before Me,
Who has required this from your hand,
To trample My courts?
Isaiah 1:12
When you spread out your hands,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Even though you make many prayers,
I will not hear.
Your hands are full of blood.
Isaiah 1:15
“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes.
Cease to do evil,
Learn to do good;
Isaiah 1:16-17
“Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the Lord,
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They shall be as wool.
If you are willing and obedient,
Isaiah 1: 18-19
Irony Man says
Hitler in his own words blamed the Jewish race and then tried to eradicate them. Tay-sachs is a Jewish genetic disease. The word anti-Semitism was coined as far back as 1879 by the German Wilhelm Marr referring to the anti-Jewish campaigns of the time; the word was to de-emphasize religious implications and emphasize racial ones. Don’t conflate Jewish with Judaism (which is the religion).
Erdogan’s rant is the usual conflation of Jewish (race) and Judaism (ideology). Muslims aren’t and have never been a race – neither has Islam.
Beware all those who do try and equate the racist anti-Semitism with the perfectly reasonable criticism of an ideology; beware those who use the nonsense word islamophobia as though it is equivalent to anti-Semitism. (David Cameron did this recently in Parliament).
Karen says
Very good point, well worth understanding and remembering.
Jay Boo says
The truth is getting out. Erdogan wants to distract.
It is not Islamophobia to say that —
Instead of tossing stones at the Kaaba Muslims should toss stones at the grave in Medina.
Muhammad was an adulterer.
That is a fact.
Keith says
He has yet to PROVE that Islamophobia is a true phobia and not a made up term to protect Islam from any form of criticism.
Bill McKenzie says
Erdogan needs to admit his countries crimes against humanity regarding the Armenian genocide. It’s absurd how he can say things like this, while Turkey continues to support war against the Armenian Christians:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/04/world/europe/azerbaijan-armenia-nagorno-karabakh-conflict.html?_r=0
Keith says
“Next they will want rape and killing to be legalized against Jews and Christians.”
It already is in many Islamic countries in everything but name.
Walter Sieruk says
What some of the apologists for Islam like all “Islamophobia” is in reality a case of Islamorealism. Being that some people are aware of the many things wrong with as well as the many dangers of Islam . First, the propagandists for Islam try to hide the truth about the violence and deadly essence of Islam from the American public by the blatantly false statement of the is a peaceful religion. For as we all know, the Koran is the foundation of and for Islam and the Koran instructs of violence and killing for Islam. As found in the Koran in ,for example, 4:89. 5:33. 9:5, 111,123. 47:4. Second, the propagandists for Islam go even further and make the outright false claim the the word Islam means “peace.” The uninformed, naive and gullible American and Europeans citizens are taken in by that falsehood and lie of a statement. It’s a good idea not to take at face value the claim that the word Islam means “peace.” For example, the ENCARTA WORLD ENGLISH DICTIONARY copyright 1999 defines Islam as “submission” based on the word “aslama” meaning “he surrendered.” Given the definition it’s an odd phenomenon that after about fourteen hundred years starting on September 12, 2001 the meaning changed from “submission” to “peace.” It’s very well known that if the police are questioning someone and he changes his story something is wrong. Nevertheless, when it comes to Islam no one gets suspicious of the change. The jihadists brag that they will win the war against the West by using the Western ignorance and naive gullible mindset on the subject of Islam against us. It seems that they do have some basis in that claim since so many Westerners are beguiled by the Muslim disinformation campaign.
mortimer says
WS wrote: “if the police are questioning someone and he changes his story something is wrong”
The narrative about Islam keeps changing as their slogans are challenged and refuted. As more Western people and their elites learn about Islam, Muslim apologists will completely lose their ability to dissemble the violence inherent in Islam’s source texts and Sharia law.
RCCA says
Because Muslims are a persecuted minority, without even one country of their own. /sarc
David says
Christiaphobia, prison time or death for preaching the Gospel, should be outlawed in all Muslim countries.
Ralph Statum says
BULL SH!T Stupid Muslim…. You Are All 7th Century Barbaric Inbred IDIOTS And Need Your 72 Virgins (In HELL)
Charli Main says
No, you Muslim shit bag, Islamophobia did not come out of Europe. It came out of Palestine with the arrival of the Muslim invaders from Saudi Arabia.
Dov Berrol says
I don’t suppose that Erdoggone would like to make Kuffarphobia a “crime against humanity” too….
Angemon says
Right, because criticizing a religion is the same as rounding up Jews and tossing them into death camps. Oh, wait, he probably thinks that the Holocaust never happened.
Babs says
That’d be oxymoronic.
What humanity?
abad says
Islam must be declared a crime against humanity.
It’s followers are the only ones who commit crimes against humanity while screeching “Allahu Akhbar.”
Its scripture – the Quran – demands that non-Muslims be put to death in the name of “Allahu Akhbar.”
Buh Bye Islam.
Angry Aussie says
To be scared of monsters under the bed is a phobia. To resent an ideology that is set in 600AD because it actively and openly plots our death and destruction is not a phobia. It’s common sense.
Utis says
Right on! If Islamophobia is a crime, so is fear of fire, fear of rattlesnakes, fear of rabid animals, and so on.
Karen says
Perfect!
Steve says
Ok then, we can do that when muslims stop the jihad on the rest of us. Until expect to be called out every time one of you savages blow up us or yourselves, rape women, fund terror and act like the 6th century morons that you are. Face it, islam is the problem and should be made illegal along with it’s prophet and it’s moon god.
somehistory says
There is a video on youtube showing secret service telling e’s body guards that “This is America” because the guards were assaulting people who were protesting e and his dictatorship using islam and the guards were trying to stop the protests.
Troybeam says
Of course he does, seriously people with that $100 million dollar Islamic compound he built in Maryland he would like nothing more than to silence Americans and their comments about the monstrosity overlooking the river towards DC.
Enrico says
Turks are evil. Rotten to the core.
gravenimage says
Most non-Muslim Turks have been slaughtered. The problem is Islam.
Western Canadian says
Turkey has never been a good ally, has a history of cheating any trading partners, failing to live up to its obligations, etc. Why bother with them?
dumbledoresarmy says
they need to be booted out of NATO and told, point blank, that they will NEVER be admitted to the EU.
Mark Swan says
Absloutely
Singh The Sikh says
The koran is a crime against humanity.
Jay Boo says
Allah claims
Humanity is a crime against Islam.
Who are we to believe the victims or the criminals?
Paul says
“Erdogan: Anti-Semitism is a crime, Islamophobia should be too,”
Yes, I’m sure you’re against anti-Semitism, Erdogan. I believe you,
millions wouldn’t. As for the silly claim about “islamophobia”, it’s not
even worth addressing. It’s about as valid as “cancerphobia” or
“AIDSphobia”.
David says
I’m a senior citizen living in the USA. Can I demand the islam be declared a crime against humanity?
Seems only right. With a huge stack of evidence that is clear as glass!
If stacked up it would likely reach to the moon itself. Fitting too, since that is what islam was, a lunatic moon cult!
Jay Boo says
The Qur’an attempts to claim the opposite:
That Humanity is a crime against Islam.
Judi says
Erdogan, who is fast running out of allies, has been trying to get back with Israel and this is probably his way of showing them that he is really a good guy, just misunderstood. Meanwhile, he gets in a dig about “islamaphobia” at the same time.
aleister Cromley says
“Erdogan, who is fast running out of allies,” Not sure about that, right now he has Europe by the balls and is controlling the flow of jihadists in and out of Syria. He has the backing of the USA, Europe. He even admonished Obama in the past few days and we still treat him with kid gloves.
eliizabeth says
Quotes from rom http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/08/gursel-turkey-social-peace-erdogan-cult-polarization-akp.html# – “THE CULT OF ERDOGAN”
AKP lawmaker Huseyin Sahin on July 20, 2011: “Believe me, even touching our prime minister is worship to me.”
Finance Minister Mehmet Simsek on Erdogan’s visit to the southeastern province of Sanliurfa on March 9: “Spring has come to Sanliurfa. Both nature and history are rising up to greet our prime minister.”
AKP lawmaker Fevai Aslan on Jan. 16: “Erdogan is a leader who gathers all of Allah’s qualities in himself.”
Deputy Health Minister Agah Kafkas on May 19, 2013: “To do what Erdogan does is sunna [body of Islamic custom and practice based on Prophet Muhammad’s words and deeds].”
gravenimage says
*EW*. And Erdogan has basically been in power continuously since 2003, first as prime minister, then as president (the same trick Putin has used)–yet few call him an autocrat, which is what he is.
aleister Cromley says
Turkey has Europe by the balls. 10 000 Grey Wolves reside in Germany, thousands in Sweden and France. Turkey controls the flood of refugees into Europe, as well as the in out flow of “ISIS” Jihadists. Erdogan is blackmailing Merkel, for reasons God knows what he has on her? I predict Turkey WILL be given EU membership and Turkey WILL become the dominant powerhouse of Europe. Europe will become Islamic
On a side note, Hillary Clinton wants to “Emulate Merkel”. http://www.infowars.com/hillary-i-will-emulate-chancellor-merkel-as-president/
If Clinton gets in power, which at this point is a coin toss, then say goodbye to the USA as we know it. She’ll flood the USA with refugees. Oh, and you can kiss the 2A goodbye also.
Matthieu Baudin says
“… I am one of the first political leaders officially declaring that anti-Semitism is a crime…”
What a joke. The leader of a country that led the 20th Century in the organised mass murder of civilians along ethnic lines (predominantly Armenians and Greeks) and has castigated anyone who utters the ‘genocide’ word in relation to Turkey. Why doesn’t he take a cold shower and then we can get on with putting Islam in the human rights spotlight where it belongs.
mortimer says
Yes, defend the Jews, but ignore the Armenian, Greek, Assyrian Genocides of 1915-1924. Offer no apology to the survivors.
Meanwhile, even recently, Jews have seen signs in shop windows that read: ‘No admission for Jews and Armenians’.
Turks are one of the MOST RACIST peoples on earth. Ask the Kurds to explain that!
dennis says
His spiritual daddy Mohammed started with Anti-Semitism and went on to everything anti-Mohammed from there. What a croc.
dajjal says
To Hell with Erdogan, his Orks, the Ummah and Islam in general.
Islam is a war criminal.
ICERRD, ICCPR & CPPCG have provisions which require that Islam be proscribed by law. Demand enforcement!!
https://www.scribd.com/doc/108500978/International-Qur-an-Petition
mortimer says
Actually, Erdogan is a war criminal. His genocidal attacks on the Kurds should bring him in front of the World Criminal Court. His betrayals of NATO should result in NATO countries placing sanctions on Turkey. Erdogan’s overseas bank accounts should be frozen and diplomats should demand a new election for a new Turkish president.
mortimer says
The ‘Islamophobia’ slur is an ad hominem condemnation demeaning all critics of Islam as being mentally ill, but this is obviously not true, since rational inquiry about Islam is highly intellectual. Thus, critical analysis of Islam’s claims is proof of one’s sanity.
The ‘Islamophobia’ slander merely masks the fear that Muslims have of critical thought. They are terrified that critical thought may destroy the foundations of Islamic faith, because Islam is based on hearsay and repetition, rather than on verifiable facts. Islam is unhistorical, anti-philosophical and anti-moral. Islam is pure obscurantism and therefore, there is no rational defense of Islam.
Islam cannot survive detailed inquiry, critical analysis or close scrutiny. Islamic faith depends on unquestioning, blind acquiescence to the basic documents of Islam. Islam cannot be rigorously tested, so it must be protected by a wall of silence and death threats against its critics. Muslims know this, and so, they are touchy about admitting Islam is a flimsy house of cards.
Faith in Islam’s teachings falls apart and collapses as soon as the doubtful historicity and amoral character of Mohammed are examined. The legendary and unhistorical nature of Islam’s early biographies of Mohammed are not supported by outside sources, making the biography of Mohammed a matter of pure speculation, if not total subjectivity.
Mohammed’s character is the greatest liability in Islam. There is no consistent ethical teaching in the Koran, hadiths and Sira. Islamic ethics refute themselves through inconsistency. Opportunism is amorality.
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G179 says
The Quran is 1000x more viscious, inflammatory and abusive towards other religions than any so-called “Islamophobe” will ever be. Ban the Quran first.
mortimer says
The following are urgent topics and problems within Islam that Erdogan wants to make it illegal to discuss:
1 No Golden Rule 2 No free speech 3 No democracy 4 Jihad – holy war of supremacism 5 Honour killings 6 Taqiyya – sacred lying 7 Taqlid – group think 8 Misogyny – repression of women 9 Rape of kafirs as jihad prizes 10 Genocide 11 Ethnic cleansing 12 Al-Walaa wal-Baraa – Islamic apartheid 13 Torture 14 Plundering 15 Cruel and unusual punishments 16 Backwardness – stagnation 17 Violence against women 18 Slavery 19 Discriminatory Sharia law 20 Hatred of the arts 21 Pedophilia disguised as child marriage 22 Fifty generations of cousin marriage and genetic defects 23 Cruelty to animals 24 Extortion tax to humiliate disbelievers 25 No historic basis 26 Anti-intellectual obscurantism 27 FGM 28 Arab racism 29 Theocratic totalitarianism 30 Vigilantism.
If we cannot discuss and discredit these problems within Islam, it is like we are being forced to accept them! Problems like the above deserve to be discussed and debated. Erdogan is unable to defend the preceding affronts to human rights and breaches of the UNDHR that are normative Islam, rather than aberrations.
dumbledoresarmy says
Honestly, I’m starting to wonder when the out-and-out idjits are going to start screaming ‘racist!’ ‘Islamophobe!’ at anyone who, when smilingly ‘invited’ to convert to Islam… **refuses** and says, “No thank you, but I prefer the belief system I already happen to be practising” (atheism or Judaism or Christianity or whatever).
Demsci says
Well, we really are afraid that Islam isn or gives rise to a theocratic totalitarian ideology. And we have QUITE SOME bad experiences with those.
We are indeed afraid of Theocracy, so have Theocracy-fobia, Totalitaria-phobia. We are not afraid of “Democratic Islam” if that were proven to exist.
That put’s the ball back to the Muslims, like Erdogan, who now have to explain to us that Islam is not Theocratic Ideology
or, also to our advantage, only interpretable as such by radicals”, because that “fork in the road””, makes it reasonable for Democratic citizens to ask or demand from Muslims to declare to choose the side of Democracy over that of Theocracy, and that of the Democratic Nations against all totalitarian countries and groups.
It would be a small step, admittedly, because Muslims could and would lie massively, yes.
But, it definitely is something Muslims do not dare to do now, or do not declare openly anywhere, for fear of being accused of apostasy and disloyalty and getting death-threats. So, in that respect it would really be a trustbuilding step by Muslims if they had the courage to do it.
And the old line that Turkey is a democratic islamic country seems to be no longer be valid, due to Erdogan himself.
dajjal says
Democracy means man made legislation by majority rule. Islam means submission to Allah. Only Allah has the right to be worshiped. Only Allah has the right to legislate and rule. See 33.36.
Democracy and Islam are polar opposites, they can not coexist. Reference Maududi: Jihad in Islam, page 10.
Demsci says
Thanks Dajjal, I want to assure you that I think you are for 99 % right! And it is not my intention that any of us let’s their guard down! So bear with me.
We are being had by countless Islam-apologists and our own Islam-defenders, up to and including the president of the US, and some so-called secular Islam-experts, like Karen Armstrong, John Esposito.
The point is this: Consider the distinction of 2 “waves” if you will.
1. The so-called divine intervention; with, although with much delay, the Quran-Sira-Hadiths.
2. The Tafsirs, schools of thought, NOT DIVINE, that sought to explain and clarify the above core -texts. Which was badly needed. They came later.
Now the apologists use against us, to lull us asleep, an alternative interpretation of verses. Different from what the Tafsirs say. And they use core-texts of Islam (in Quran-Sira-Hadiths).
So: If YOU mean that Islam-IN-TOTAL (with tafsirs-schools of thought) is clear, anti-democratic and everywhere adhered to by Muslims, OK, it seems so.
But we can emphasize both the AMBIGUITY of the core-texts, before the Tafsirs,
AND pretend to take the apologist’s interpretations as valid, and therewith we can demonstrate that very ambiguity, by showing all these different interpretations of same texts.
That will give us a possible advantage, because we can now show that all Assurances by Islamic Clerics, leaders and apologists, supporters alike that “Islam is this or that, teaches, forbids, permits this or that”
are all based on the quicksand of the ambiguous core-texts, without the Tafsirs.
Their credibility, in the minds of “swingvoters and fence-sitters” might crumble as a result.
A Multi-interpretable Islam may result in the avoidance of any semblance of bigotry, racism, discrimination on our part, because Multi-interpretability suggest choice for individual Muslims and so potential good and bad among them. And we have plenty evidence for the “bad”.
A corollary then can be: In the circumstance of Multi-interpretability AND so many supremacist, hostile, violent interpretations, it becomes irresponsible for a Muslims to present him/ herself only as “neutral, innocent until proven guilty”.
dajjal says
While retired from programming, I still stick to the KISS Rule. Simpler is better.
Sticking points: With the exception of hadith Qudsi, which are allegedly demonic, the hadith originate with Moe and only reinforce the intolerant, violent verses.
2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allâh is able to do all things?
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16:101. And when We change a Verse [of the Qur’ân, i.e. cancel (abrogate) its order] in place of another, and Allâh knows the best of what He sends down, they (the disbelievers) say: “You (O Muhammad ) are but a Muftari! (forger, liar).” Nay, but most of them know not.
remove the ambiguity by superseding early, tolerant/passive verses with latter, violent revolutions in Surah At-Taubah.
When they say “There is no compulsion in religion”, we must counter with 2.190, 2.216, 3.110, 8.39 & 9.29 and expose their confirmation in Bukhari 1.8.387 and codification in Reliance & Hedaya.
Islam is final, its what Moe said and did. The gates of ijtihad are locked shut forever.
Moe dictated and dispatched extortion letters. A handful are included in “The Sealed Nectar”, a few more have been compiled into a book, three pages of them are available at al-quraan.net and a slew of them are included in Ibn Sa’d. The letter to the rulers of Aquaba stands out for its clarity, leaving little to the imagination. Let us bludgeon them with it!!!
http://www.soebratie.nl/religie/hadith/IbnSad.html#01.2.73.3
Muslims will shout “Quran Only!”, to which we must respond: then how do you know when & how to pray, the gestures, words and conditions? How do you know the proper procedure of istinja? How do you know how to beat your wife and what to do when she is on the rag? No hadith: no answers.
Muslims: accursed slaves of Satan! What did Allah command you to do? What did Moe order you to do; what did he exemplify for you to emulate as per 33.21?
They will say: “Surah Al-Anfal and Surah At-Taubah are only for time of war.”. We must say: when is it not time of war? We must cite the hadith which says Jihad will be performed continuously until the last day. Are “fight them until…” and “fight those of the disbelievers nearest you…” limited chronologically or geographically? What of Moe’s letter to Aquaba?
Why does Hedaya 2.140 clearly state that “war must be carried on by some party of the Muslims at all times”? Why does the next page declare that “Destruction of the sword is incurred by Infidels although they be not the first aggressors.” ? Why does Islamic law even mention such concepts if Islam is a religion of peace?
Why does Reliance, O9.1 restate the infamous fatwa of Imam Al-Shafi’i clearly quoted on page 18 of “The Book Of Jihad”?
Why is it an eighth duty of subordinate rulers to attack neighboring infidels and divide the spoils as per Reliance O25.9-8? Relate your answer to 9.123.
How did Syria, Egypt, Yemen, North Africa and India become Muslim? What is the meaning of Hindu Kush? What did the four rightly guided caliphs do?
Islam is not indeterminate. It is not variable. If it were, it could swing like a pendulum, cycling through Jihad.
No, Allah is Satan. Islam is demonic. Moe was a false prophet and profiteer who contrived Islam for his personal emolument. Who wants to be a demon worshipper? Who wants to do a demon’s wet work?
Islam grew out of an honor/shame based tribal culture. We must exploit that by making the Ummah ashamed to be part of it. We must know the truth and we must poleaxe Muslims with it at every opportunity. That is why there are twenty odd blistering hot pdf files in my Kab Ashraf Scribd page.
Donald J. Trump does not know that Muslims are expressly forbidden to befriend him in nine ayat. He does not know that Muslims are licensed to deceive him to promote Islam and protect themselves. Who will tell him? He does not know that the rapefugees are part of jihad and hijra. Who will tell him? He does not know that Muslims go to Jihad or to Hell. Who will tell him?
The fatal facts of Islam must become common knowledge. The Koran, hadith and sira must be documented in a series of full length feature docudramas and given global distribution. Muslims must see the murders of Kab Ashraf, Rafi, Asma bint Marwan and Umm Qirfa. They must see the torture of Kinana and the rape of Safiya. They must see the thighing and rape of Aisha.
They must see Moe praying for prey; preying to the Lord of the Devils for “the good of this town and all that is in it” meaning plunder. Who besides Mel Gibson has the money and the SISU to do it?
Demsci says
Thanks Dajjal for highly informative answer; yeah, pretty convincing. This means that any democratic muslims are either lying or ignorant about their own religion. Yes, Islam has such a bloody history.
Your strategy is very good. I hope mine is only augmentative. My expertise and experience is about Western attitudes, as yours is about Islam and Muslims and their real nature.
We seem not to be able to convince our own majority we need; to do something effective via parliament and government,
hence my attempt to diffuse the biggest eternal objection of “Swingvoters”, which is that it constitutes bigotry and racism to present Islam as “all bad” or “bad in essence”. And Muslims as “with no other variation then only the hot and cold version of “true Muslim”.
It is just that that makes me afraid that your strategy unites the Muslims more and divides the Democratic Citizens too much.
My strategy aims to divide enough of the Muslims and unite enough of the Western Democratic Citizens. Even if it means we have to pretend to play along with the idea of “Moderates and Extremists”.
I hope you appreciate that, as I appreciate your patriotic position and vigilance.
dajjal says
If I caught BHO reading these comments I would be super surprised. It is true that they are spidered and indexed, if we use the right key words they can be found by search engines, but I doubt that many politicians and officials go searching for issues related to Islam.
I know that the United Nations, Canuck, Mexican & French foreign ministries, Canuck military, congressional staffers, NNIC, Military intelligence, various state police and other agencies have visited some of my blog posts and the DHS camped out on one of them for three months. At one time Pakistan even banned my little blog. But I see no evidence of any of them taking heed. The Muzz got to my domain registrar and my little web site got pulled down.
At best, I piss off a few Muslims, but have I actually provoked any of them to thing rationally or delve into Islam’s canonical texts? I doubt it!
I expect that the occasional Muslim who comes to view “Innocence Of Muslims” lingers to read my extensive documentation of the video’s conceptual content.
I can only hope that those who come seeking information about Reliance Of The Traveller actually download it or get hard copy from Amazon. They have included Barristers and government agencies.
There are two absolute necessities: inducing our fellow Harbis to learn more about Islam from its canonical texts and inducing Muslims to read the Qur’an and hadith. The last statistic I saw on that score was that only 17% of male Muslims have read the Qur’an in their native tongue. Sahih Bukhari and The Life Of Moe could lead many moral MINOs to apostatize.
How can we meet those vital needs soon enough to save Western Civilization?? I doubt that any single approach will suffice.
dajjal says
Your powerful intellect and vocabulary drove me to discovery. I find only Intense Debate and Tumblr profiles. You should have your own blog! At minimum, you should be raising truth with me and others through Discus. I have not encountered Intense debate for a year or two, but the action is fast and furious at Disqus.
Kasey says
Anyone bleating “Islamophobia” should be charged with criminal propaganda, while anyone who exposes examples of Islamoreality in action should be congratulated and praised for courage.Remember also, that Islam is as Islam does, anmany cases, that’s terrible, and frequently lethally violent.
George beacock says
I agree if the same law is brought out for anti christian anti semitic and anti anything else poor people then they will have to think of something else to complain about
Zaye Evelyn says
No such thing as Islam phobia, it is to terrorize bloody Islamist real
ScottM says
This is the only course of action that will save humanity from crime. Islamic-inspired crimes committed by deranged muslims. Erdogan is sickening as are the malignants that follow this cult.
Duard Hamm says
Why is it always about Islamophobia, which does not exist and not about Judeophobia and Christophobia which does? Muslims are the ones with the phobias and they act against Jews and Christians with violence. Then they cry about backlash that never comes. Muslims are bullies who attack innocent defenseless people.
Karen says
Not so fast Mr. Erdogan.
Anti-Semitism is a deplorable moral failure, but it takes legislation to make it a crime. But Mr. Erdogan is simply going to “declare” it a crime. Remind you of anyone? (Tall, thin guy, last name begins with ‘O’.)
Geoff says
All this whilst denying the Armenian Genocide which was, erm, a crime against humanity!
UNCLE VLADDI says
ISLAM IS THE REAL CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.
Being scared of it is rationality, not a “crime” at all!
dajjal says
Who said: “I am raised for Jihad and I am not raised for tillage.”? Who said”: “my provision is placed under the shade of my spear”? Who prayed for the Mekkan caravan to be given to him “as a prey”?
Who pocketed all the fei, all the jizya and the top 20% of the ganimah? Who promised his followers “abundant spoils that you will capture”? Who wanted “great slaughter” and who wanted “the good of this world”? Who shall get a God blessed clue and poleaxe Muslims with the fatal facts???
https://www.scribd.com/doc/227418623/Islam-s-Mercenary-Mission-Updated
dajjal says
Unk, this excellent comment should be blogged and illustrated with Turdogan.
gravenimage says
Turkey’s Erdogan wants “Islamophobia” declared crime against humanity
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In other words, daring to say that Islam is violent should be criminalized. This is true under Shari’ah law.
More:
“I am one of the first political leaders officially declaring that anti-Semitism is a crime. I expect an official declaration that Islamophobia is a crime against humanity as well.
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What gall, considering Erdogan’s backing of the Jihad flotilla into Gaza and general increasing hostility towards Israel.
And things are becoming increasingly dangerous for the remnant of Jews remaining in Turkey itself:
“Jews threatened by anti-Semitism in Turkey”
http://www.dw.com/en/jews-threatened-by-anti-semitism-in-turkey/a-18212147
In fact, antisemitism has *sharply risen* under Erdogan.
More:
Islamophobia emerged from the Western countries and this is a challenge that we all together need to surmount.”
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Nope–the bogus term “Islamophobia” was coined by a Muslim Brotherhood-front group:
“How the term “Islamophobia” got shoved down your throat”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/11/how-the-term-islamophobia-got-shoved-down-your-throat
More:
Since honest discussion of how jihadis use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and supremacism is generally classified as “Islamophobia,” such a declaration would have the effect of stifling all examination of or opposition to the jihadis’ motives and goals. The jihadis could then advance unimpeded and unopposed.
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That’s what the term has always been intended to do.
More:
When asked by CNN correspondent Christine Amanpour about the heightened threat towards Jews in Turkey, Erdogan firmly replied: “We have a very significant number of Jewish citizens and they have always been safe and secure where they are in Turkey.”…
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Uh huh. In the beginning of the 20th century, the Jewish population in Turkey was estimated at about 200,000. After the Armenian Genocide, the number was little more than a *tenth* of that.
There was a specific anti-Jewish pogrom in Turkey in 1934, and there was a form of Jizya imposed on Jews and other non-Muslims there in 1942, the “Varlık Vergisi”.
The Neve Shalom Synagogue in Istanbul has been attacked three times–the worst was in 1986, when Jihad terrorists gunned down 22 Jewish worshippers there.
More:
On the alarming trend of anti-Semitism in Turkey and across Europe, Erdogan said: “I am one of the first political leaders officially declaring that anti-Semitism is a crime,” he said, adding “I expect an official declaration that Islamophobia is a crime against humanity as well. Islamophobia emerged from the Western countries and this is a challenge that we all together need to surmount.”
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Just under Erdogan, the Jewish population of Turkey has dropped from about 23,000 to 17,000. What a cynical bastard.
More:
Erdogan also slammed European member states for not heeding his terror warnings, saying: “We have been calling the nations for a common stand against terrorism and many of the European member states failed to attach the significance that this call for action deserved.”
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Grimly hilarious, given the fact that Turkey is doing more to aid ISIS than anyone else.
More:
On the increased number of European nationals fleeing their countries to fight for ISIS, Erdogan added: “We have French fighters with ISIS, we have German fighters in ISIS, we have Australian fighters in ISIS and 22 countries out of the 19 countries feeding fighters into ISIS are EU member states. This is very meaningful which is why we need to form a strong alliance with EU member states.”…
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He has just used this to get the EU–foolishly–to allow anyone holding a Turkish passport free entry into Europe in exchange–supposedly–for Turkey’s working to prevent Jihadists flooding into that continent. Of course, this has had exactly the *opposite* effect.
But likely more of the clueless will take this latest crap from the Islamist Erdogan to heart. More fools they…
Sam says
What a f******* liar! .
“When asked by CNN correspondent Christine Amanpour about the heightened threat towards Jews in Turkey, Erdogan firmly replied: “We have a very significant number of Jewish citizens and they have always been safe and secure where they are in Turkey.””…
Stephen says
Not surprised Christine Amanpour is nothing but jihadi sleeper cell in reporters clothing.
Stephen says
I want Erdogan declared a crime against humanity!
EmHotep says
1. Why the west still keeps him and his party still in Power ? Because he is still useful to spread satanic islam ..
2. Why can’t we send him to hell ? Because he is as strong as Putin, he has all the army and police force behind him..
3. Are all the Turks believe in islam ?? No at least %50 are seculars including some Kurds.
4. Mursi vs Erdogan ? Mursi was nothing but easy toy but Erdogan means ISIS he has a great power behind him
Can we stop him doing what he is doing ? No because he even has courage to stop USA tell them to fuck off.. So as bunch of Turks we are writing comments here and wishing for a miracle.
I think first Erdogan and AKP ruling party will bring sharia and destroy everything that Ataturk gave us and they will invade Europe with embedded ISIS members and islam will rule the world.
So we have lost the fight, maybe this is the destiny of the world in the 21st century.
dumbledoresarmy says
Stop peddling despair and defeatism.
If you have nothing constructive to say, shut up.
MariaM says
“We have French fighters with ISIS, we have German fighters in ISIS, we have Australian fighters in ISIS and 22 countries out of the 19 countries feeding fighters into ISIS are EU member states. This is very meaningful which is why we need to form a strong alliance with EU member states.”…
”WE”????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
No comment.
Michael says
No to Islamaphobia label. This is only a perception by groups like CAIR and the Muslim brotherhood ET Al. Ant Semitism is usually acted out in violence. What they call Islamaphobia is usually jest asking them to abide by our laws. Or pointing out some hate teaching of theirs.
vcragain says
No comparison between Antisemitism and Islamaphobia – those who are anti-Jewish have no reason to be, the Jews have never persecuted anybody, they have been trying for the past hundreds of years to try and live in peace and they have faced nothing but harassment. On the other hand the Muslims are presenting themselves as a definite threat to the rest of humanity, they are the ONLY group actively planning to assassinate anybody – of all the religions in the world – they are the only one a threat to anybody else – so why do we all distrust this cult – THAT IS WHY !!!!!!!
Ali Bey says
Mortimer , can you tell me if “anti” and “phobia” have exactly the same meaning? Since we always read antisemitism and Islamophobia and never. semitiphobia or antiislamism . Phobia is defined as persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity or situation that leads to a compelling desire to”avoid”it. It doesn,t say desire of “atack” or “exterminate” so I don,t see why somebody, not being “erdoganish” can qualify phobia as criminal Thank you.