“I cannot live with the kafir [infidel] in my house, unless she returns back to my religion. If not, I will not stop hunting for her life, because our Holy Koran allows us to kill any apostate from Islam.”
Where did he get that idea? Here: “They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence.
This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-‘ashriyyah, Al-Ja’fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.”
Qaradawi also once famously said: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn’t exist today.”
“Muslim in Uganda Attacks, Threatens to Kill Wife for Becoming Christian,” Morning Star News, April 12, 2016:
NAIROBI, Kenya (Morning Star News) – A Muslim in eastern Uganda who last week attacked his wife for becoming a Christian had told a judge that Islam allows him to kill any apostate, sources said.
Having moved to another village with their four children following an attack last year, Ntende Hawa, 38, said she was visiting her estranged husband to discuss child support on April 4. Her husband, Dapharah Mumpi, was living at the couple’s home with his younger brother in Kachomo village in Budaka District, about 130 miles northeast of Kampala.
After they had discussed help for their children and Mumpi’s brother had gone to bed at about 9 p.m., he began to question his wife about her faith as he had when he attacked her last year, Hawa said.
“Again I answered him that Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and he took a panga [machete 16 to 18 inches long], but I managed to get hold of him before he could hit me, so the panga dropped, and he started strangling me,” she said. “His younger brother woke up and rescued me. I then managed to escape.”
Hawa began her journey to Christ after a Christian friend invited her to an evangelistic event in August 2014. Without her husband’s knowledge, she managed to attend two days of the three-day event. A week later, she visited her friend, whose name is withheld for security reasons, and decided to follow Jesus.
Her husband became suspicious last year and asked her if she had become a Christian. Hawa said she could not deny it.
“My husband shouted, ‘Allah Akbar [God is greater],’ then he took a blunt object and hit me on my left hand,” she said. “I cried for help, and neighbors arrived and saved my life. I then slept at a neighbor’s house with my four children that very night.”
Hawa reported the assault to police at the Kaderuna police station on May 6, 2015, and Mumpi was summoned for questioning. Appearing later before a judge, he showed no remorse, Hawa said, as he told the magistrate, “I cannot live with the kafir [infidel] in my house, unless she returns back to my religion. If not, I will not stop hunting for her life, because our Holy Koran allows us to kill any apostate from Islam.”…

BadaBhai says
I am Bada Bhai and new to this forum with a view to share excellent big brother insights.
It looks like Ms. Hawa was already apart from Dapharah.
Why bother to disclose that she saw JC as her savior when clearly he could not save himself.
I think that she said this to clearly antagonise and annoy him, goading him to panga action.
I feel that she has a lot of explaining to the judge too.
Top Tip: dialogue through a Phanga is not true love.
Westman says
Phanga is typically a Zulu word related to forms of aggression. Is that what you meant by “a Phanga”?
“Why bother to disclose that she saw JC as her savior when clearly he could not save himself.” Either I do not understand this sentence or you do not understand that Christ’s death and resurrection is the most important event in Christianity.
By the way, I am not a believer, and even I know that in Christianity, Jesus was the sacrificial scapegoat for sin and that he chose to die to pay for human sins and then returned to life.
Where did you learn that bizzare notion that Jesus couldn’t save himself? That’s not Islamic. Islam teaches that he didn’t die on the cross, and was only a prophet.
Bada Bhai says
Westman,
Phanga or panga as the article mentions is a machete.
Ofcourse Christians will twist and turn “Christ’s death and resurrection as the most important event in Christianity”. If they don’t have that ; they have nothing, they need something to hang on to, but truthfully JC could not save himself.
Top Tip:Important events should not involve the death of your saviour …it’s is really a dead end argument.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Hey Bada: I hope so much that you will stay on this site and post lots. You’re the best possible advertisement for the superiority of Western culture over all other comers.
gravenimage says
He’s a nasty piece of work, Kathy.
Mo says
@ BadaBhai
“I am Bada Bhai and new to this forum with a view to share excellent big brother insights.”
It looks like Ms. Hawa was already apart from Dapharah.
Why bother to disclose that she saw JC as her savior when clearly he could not save himself.
I think that she said this to clearly antagonise and annoy him, goading him to panga action.
I feel that she has a lot of explaining to the judge too.
Top Tip: dialogue through a Phanga is not true love.”
Anything to say on this Muslim man trying to murder his Christian wife in accordance with the teachings of Islam?
Heather says
Nah, clearly she’s the one who has a lot of explaining to do. You can’t talk to these people and you can’t reason with them because we are fundamentally different.
Carolyne says
If one is the product of generations of first cousin marriage, they are certainly different in the intellectual department.
gravenimage says
It seems that the vile Bada Bhai has no problem with a man who would try to hack his wife to death with a machete–just with a person who would dare to accept Christianity.
As for his username, Bada Bhai does not just mean “big brother” in Hindi and Urdu–this phrase also means gangster. Certainly, that’s what his ugly post here conveys.
Con says
Jesus told Peter he would deny him 3 times, this hurt Jesus very much,
Peter explains that we must be witness, and even in death we will fear no evil.
I believe the lady believes in her new faith, more than u do my friend.
The bigger question, if he tried to kill her before, why move into the very house he is in now, everyone knows Muslims do not change their views of Islam, and to do so is a death sentence. She knew he had not given up Islam.
So why did she go there?, She should of let the courts handle child support payments.
Her leaving Islam was a very wise but dangerous choice. I pray she uses her coming sense and is never around this man again.
Angemon says
Not to worry: if he is in fact convicted of attempted murder, he can simply run to Europe and claim he’s a Syrian refugee…
Lexa456 says
This is not absolutely necessary. Should he be sentenced to death, (which I doubt, but just for an example) even with staying true to his origins he would be granted asylum in Germany nonetheless and roam freely here, because Germany does not send people back to certain death. So is the law. German laws are truly moronic in many aspects.
Westman says
Another IslamoProdigy demostrating that Islam demands to be superior to life itself. Imagine standing in front of a judge, in the West, claiming you have the right and obligation to kill your wife for her beliefs.
Where Islam rules, if you won’t believe it, or, be a host to a parasite, they will kill you, perhaps in some grotesque tortuous manner, and then, according to the Quran, Allah will have his gleeful joy in torturing you forever with boiling water, molten lead, hot irons, and caustic liquids to drink.Your torture is also entertainment for the inhabitants of Jannah.
Islam makes sociopaths. It’s no wonder that they are just as busy killing each other as they are killing infidels.
xavier says
Robert
I’m curious: What’t the context of that statement? Why was Muhammed compelled to call for death?
xavier
Jay Boo says
I think part of your answer Xavier, may be in Robert’s quote of Qaradawi.
“Qaradawi also once famously said: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn’t exist today.””
Westman says
I’m even more amazed tha Muhammad and Allah are not aware that Christ called for the eye for an eye, law of Moses, to replaced with forgiveness; tufn iver cheek, forgive 70 times 7, etc.
The Quran and Muhammad recognize Jesus as a Prophet, yet hold to the mosaic law plus additional brutality. There can be little doubt that Muhammad was largely ignorant of Jesus while being relatively familiar with the Talmud due to the influence of Jews he knew.(or the familiarity of Jews to 7th & 8th century Islamic scholars who assembled and edited the Quran and Hadiths).
The Quran contains a rather “Bedouinized” version, more like campfire stories, of the Talmud. The ignorance of Christian teachings in the Quran is sufficient to declare the Quran to be a fabrication.
I wouldn’t be suprised that the Bukhari reference(83:37) ascribed to Muhammad: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” is another 7th-8th century fabrication to justify Abu Bakr’s killing of apostates. The beauty of scholars assembling official dogma over 200 years is it allows time to go through a multitude of sources and construct a somewhat self-consistent ideology. Of course, its still a fabrication.
Westman says
tufn iver cheek = turn the other cheek
gravenimage says
Here’s the entire Hadith:
Narrated ‘Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'”
Bukhari 9.84.57
Singh the Sikh says
He misunderstood his religion.
Jay Boo says
Good evening Muslim World
Put aside the well-rehearsed and contrived humility.
Put aside the child brides and prayer dance stupidity.
Put aside your hatchets, guns, knives and shameless duplicity.
mortimer says
Vigilantism is normative Islam permitted by Sharia law.
“A blind man had a freed concubine (Umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. A child fell between her legs, and became covered by blood. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). He called the people together and said, “I ask by Allah the man who has done this action and I order him by my right over him that he should stand up.” The blind man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I KILLED HER.” Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Bear witness, THERE IS NO BLOOD MONEY DUE for her.” – murder is justified by the example of Mohammed.
Trico says
Things don’t become very peaceful when you want to leave The Religion Of Peace.
mortimer says
“killing a harbi (a non-Muslim in a state of war against Islam), and it is permissible for anyone to kill a harbi.”
-quote from al-Saarim al-Maslool (285-286).
Jay Boo says
“Killing a Muzzi” — (Muslim in a state of war against human dignity) is permissible for anyone to kill a Muzzi.” — (also known as permanent deprogramming)
Article 51 Geneva Convention (Right of Self Defense against the carpet kissers)
mortimer says
As Donald Trump asked: Where is all this hate coming from?
Feminists, what is YOUR answer? Do Muslim misogynists have a right to abuse women?
the renegade says
Islam is like life, e.g. you dont have a choice when it comes to birth i.e. you dont choose to be born, similarly you dont choose death as well… it just happens.
Of the very few things human beings have a luxury to choose is the way they want to beleive in god and worship god. Islam has for centuries tried to take that away from humanity.
Islam is not a religion as Muslims dont worship god but worship the demon man muhammad by following his destructive and immoral path.
Islam is going through a death struggle similar to a person that is about to die and doesnot know how he can keep on living on for ever..
My prayer to God (by whatever name you may choose to address him or her):
Please rid us of all evil in the world including Islam so that we may attain a righteous path to return back to you and break free of this karmic cycle of birth, death and suffering in between.
For people who dont believe in karma please watch CI channel, there is a very interesting program where a “shrink” does a regression hypnosis on people and actually investigates responses received against details provided of the person’s past life.
There is no heaven or hell. This Earth has both… you will either keep being reborn or can put stop to this karmic cycle by attaining the supreme being based on your karmic actions…
Evil Muslims and other evil people… some food for thought. If you murder or rape some one, you will become the “murdered or raped” in your next life and will endure the horrific acts that you have imposed on your victims.
Cease and desist and take the righteous path…… it is never to late…. God’s doors are alway open. Choice is ours to make….
Peace….
sham says
ISLAM BEING A TRUE RELIGION OF ALLAH:
3:19. Truly, the religion with Allâh is Islâm. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, then surely, Allâh is Swift in calling to account.
2: 253. Those Messengers! We preferred some to others; to some of them Allâh spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to ‘Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with Rûh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)]. If Allâh had willed, succeeding generations would not have fought against each other, after clear Verses of Allâh had come to them, but they differed – some of them believed and others disbelieved. If Allâh had willed, they would not have fought against one another, but Allâh does what He likes.
8: 29. O you who believe! If you obey and fear Allâh, He will grant you Furqân a criterion [(to judge between right and wrong), or (Makhraj, i.e. making a way for you to get out from every difficulty)], and will expiate for you your sins, and forgive you, and Allâh is the Owner of the Great Bounty.
Prophet Muhammed[saw]true follower of Allah:
48: 29. Muhammad (SAW) is the Messenger of Allâh…………..
4: 64. We sent no Messenger, but to be obeyed by Allâh’s Leave.
13: 37. And thus have We sent it (the Qur’ân) down to be a judgement of authority in Arabic. Were you (O Muhammad SAW) to follow their (vain) desires after the knowledge which has come to you, then you will not have any Walî (protector) or defender against Allâh.
13: 38. And indeed We sent Messengers before you (O Muhammad SAW), and made for them wives and offspring. And it was not for a Messenger to bring a sign except by Allâh’s Leave. (For) each and every matter there is a Decree (from Allâh).
33: 21. Indeed in the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allâh and the Last Day and remembers Allâh much.
42: 24. Or say they: “He has invented a lie against Allâh?” If Allâh willed, He could have sealed your heart (so that you forget all that you know of the Qur’an). And Allâh wipes out falsehood, and establishes the truth (Islâm) by His Word (this Qur’an). Verily, He knows well what (the secrets) are in the breasts (of mankind).
42:51. . It is not given to any human being that Allâh should speak to him unless (it be) by Inspiration, or from behind a veil, or (that) He sends a Messenger to reveal what He wills by His Leave. Verily, He is Most High, Most Wise .
QURAN BEING TRUE REVELATION FROM ALMIGHTY GOD:
4:82. Do they not then consider the Qur’ân carefully? Had it been from other than Allâh, they would surely have found therein much contradiction.
5: 68. Say (O Muhammad SAW) “O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! You have nothing (as regards guidance) till you act according to the Taurât (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), and what has (now) been sent down to you from your Lord (the Qur’ân).” Verily, that which has been sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) from your Lord increases in many of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. So be not sorrowful over the people who disbelieve.
10: 37. And this Qur’ân is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allâh (Lord of the heavens and the earth), but it is a confirmation of (the revelation) which was before it [i.e. the Taurât (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.], and a full explanation of the Book (i.e. laws and orders, etc, decreed for mankind) – wherein there is no doubt from the the Lord of the ‘Alamîn (mankind, jinns,and all that exists).
5:16. Wherewith Allâh guides all those who seek His Good Pleasure to ways of peace, and He brings them out of darkness by His Will unto light and guides them to a Straight Way (Islâmic Monotheism).
25:66. Say: “It (this Qur’ân) has been sent down by Him (Allâh) (the Real Lord of the heavens and earth) Who knows the secret of the heavens and the earth. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
5:3………….This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâm as your religion. But as for him who is forced by severe hunger, with no inclination to sin (such can eat these above-mentioned meats), then surely, Allâh is Oft¬Forgiving, Most Merciful.
17: 9. Verily, this Qur’ân guides to that which is most just and right and gives glad tidings to the believers (in the Oneness of Allâh and His Messenger, Muhammad SAW, etc.). who work deeds of righteousness, that they shall have a great reward (Paradise).
54: 40, 54:32 ,54:22 and indeed, we have made the Qur’ân easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember (or receive admonition)?
17: 88. Say: “If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur’ân, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another.”
8: 32. And (remember) when they said: “O Allâh! If this (the Qur’ân) is indeed the truth (revealed) from You, then rain down stones on us from the sky or bring on us a painful torment.”
4: 82. Do they not then consider the Qur’ân carefully? Had it been from other than Allâh, they would surely have found therein many contradictions.
Given below is a list of some of the evidences in support of the
divine nature of the Qur’an:
1. It , itself, declares that it is a divine Scripture
2. It shall remain unchanged upto the Last Day.
3. The path of right conduct that it prescribes is faultless.
4. It is practicable.
5. The history that it teaches is faultless and honest.
6. Its literature is incomparable.
7. The prophecies made in it can be seen to have come true.
8. The references in it to the varied phenomena of nature, as
representing the signs of God, are free of controversies.
9. There is no reference, whatsoever, of an unscientific nature in it.
10. It is free of all contradictions.
11. None has been able to take up the challenge it poses when it calls
forth all, and any, to produce an equivalent of at least one of its
chapters.
12. The person who was appointed with it in the world was himself of
a truthful and selfless nature.
IF ANY RELIGION AGREED THESE 12 MORAL CODE FOR AUTHENTICITY ,PLZ BRING IT………
gravenimage says
The appalling sham wrote:
ISLAM BEING A TRUE RELIGION OF ALLAH:
3:19. Truly, the religion with Allâh is Islâm. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, then surely, Allâh is Swift in calling to account.
…………………………..
Notice that sham has *no problem* with this Muslim trying to murder his wife for the “crime” of leaving Islam.
More:
2: 253. Those Messengers! We preferred some to others; to some of them Allâh spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to ‘Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary)
…………………………..
sham will not tell you that the Muslim “Jesus”–really, “Isa”–has *nothing* to do with the Jesus of the Gospels. His primary role in the Last Days, in fact, is to *kill Christians*.
More:
5: 68. Say (O Muhammad SAW) “O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! You have nothing (as regards guidance) till you act according to the Taurât (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), and what has (now) been sent down to you from your Lord (the Qur’ân).”
…………………………..
Islam claims that the Torah and Gospel confirmed the vicious Qur’an before they were (supposedly) changed by them.
sham is here confirming that this women deserved to die for rejecting this savagery.
More:
12. The person who was appointed with it in the world was himself of
a truthful and selfless nature.
…………………………..
This would be the baleful “Prophet”, who himself said that anyone leaving Islam should be murdered.
More:
IF ANY RELIGION AGREED THESE 12 MORAL CODE FOR AUTHENTICITY ,PLZ (sic) BRING IT………
…………………………..
Islam is a creed whose “Prophet” was a pedophile, caravan-raider, rapist, slaver, and mass-murderer.
sham does not realize that we will never share this vicious “moral code” where it is Halal for a man to hack his wife to death for leaving this ugly death cult.
Champ says
sham wrote:
ISLAM BEING A TRUE RELIGION OF ALLAH
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
“sham” is correct!!!
It’s true, islam *is* the true religion of allah …
But know that allah is NOT the one true God; allah is in fact satan.
So–yes, islam is the religion of allah aka SATAN!
Wow for once I actually agree with the “shamster.”
hammar says
mo the ham was no prophet, what camel dung are you smoking?
These people are nothing but murder’s and killers raping and pillaging everyone and everywhere.
obuma is a son of a muslim, clinton has been paid off from all muslim countries, just look at her
bank account the clinton foundation. clinton changed all federal, state and military codes stating
they could not call any muslim a terrorists..she loves her words..but she sounds brain dead..a liar.
Carolyne says
Sham is studying to become a stand-up comic. Not ready for prime time yet.
Bill says
This is the religious freedom they cry for in America knowing we’re suckers to any idiots having any belief system, Just wit till heads are hacked off in America and see what they think of religious freedom. Islam isn’t a religion deserving of freedom. They should keep their barbaric stuff to themselves; I’m sorry for the victims of this brutality but we cant save everybody and under the Obama Administration, the behavior of Islam seems protected with excuses being made for it all the time.
Biche | ChickAboutTown.com says
Gender based violence by any other name is still just that. Please, chap just wanted to assure his wife for leaving him. I doubt this really had anything to do with religion.
gravenimage says
What rot. Slaughtering apostates is a key part of Islam.
Angemon says
GI, Biche | ChickAboutTown.com seems to me as one of those people who have a very specific narrative to write. Despite the husband openly stating that the woman had two choices (return to being a muslimah or death), Biche tried to present this as “gender based violence”, as if the violence stemmed from the gender of the attacker – he’s a man therefore he attacked a woman, nothing else to see here folks, run along now, religion had nothing to do with this. It’s the same narrative “feminists” tried to peddle in the aftermath of the attacks in Cologne.
sham says
GENERALLY ISLAM PROHIBITED TO KILLING NON MUSLIM WOMEN:
Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4456
……….And the of Allah (may peace be upon him) did not kill the children of the enemy, so thou shouldst not kill the children……………
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 257,258
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
During some of the Ghazawat of Allah’s Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah’s Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.
KILLING BLINDLY WOMEN & CHILDREN CHARACTER OF NON MUSLIM
1 Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’ ” … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.
ISLAM PROHIBITED KILLING APOSTATE :
Apostate ordered killing when they are fighting against Islam: committed murder and theft
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 37
“By Allah, Allah’s Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and ””””””'(3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle””””””””, and deserted Islam and became an apostate.”
Peacful Apostate not killed:
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 56 :: Hadith 814
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 30 :: Hadith 107,108
Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 6087 [not blindly kill innocent people]
Apostate not killed:
Muslim :: Book 38 : Hadith 6693
Anas b. Malik reported: There was a person amongst us who belonged to the tribe of Bani Najjar and he recited Sura al-Baqarah and Surat Al-i-‘Imran and he used to transcribe for Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him). He ran away as a rebel and joined the People of the Book. They gave it much importance and said: He is the person who used to transcribe for Muhammad and they were much pleased with him. Time rolled on that ””””Allah caused his death”””'(NOT MUISLIM).
Prophet allow Apostate to live
Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4593
It has been narrated by Salama b. al-Akwa’ that he visited al-Hajjaj who said to him: O son of al-Akwa’, you have turned apostate and have come to live again in the desert with the Bedouins (after your migration). He said: No, but the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has permitted me to live in the desert.
WHO ARE ACTUALLY KILLED APOSTATE?
Deuteronomy 13:6-9 “If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.”
Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 “And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, …..and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die.”
This verse was sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him: 2 Chronicles 15:13 “All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.”
Angemon says
sham posted:
“GENERALLY ISLAM PROHIBITED TO KILLING NON MUSLIM WOMEN:”
Of course – why kill a perfectly good sex slave? In any case, what’s implied here is that islam permits, in certain situations, to kill non-muslim women.
“WHO ARE ACTUALLY KILLED APOSTATE?”
Ugh, I need to stop reading our posts – that atrocious English either infuriates me or drops my IQ. Anyway, who are actually killing apostates? Muslims. Whether via the state mandated death penalty for apostasy (for example, Saudi Arabia) or vigilante-style mobs (for example, Pakistan). What, you want to argue that Saudi Arabs have gotten islam all wrong? That the descendants of the first muslims somehow have no idea of what islam teaches?
gravenimage says
Yet more from sham:
GENERALLY ISLAM PROHIBITED TO KILLING NON MUSLIM WOMEN:
……………………………..
Muslims murder non-Muslim women all the time–as well as raping them and using them as sex slaves. All perfectly Halal.
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Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
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Why does sham keep posting this last? It just confirms that Muslims may pillage Infidels.
“Do not steal from the booty” just tells Muslims not to steal from the loot that Muslims have already stolen from Infidels. By the way, such booty also includes Infidel slaves.
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ISLAM PROHIBITED KILLING APOSTATE :
Apostate ordered killing when they are fighting against Islam: committed murder and theft
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 37
“By Allah, Allah’s Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and ””””””'(3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle””””””””, and deserted Islam and became an apostate.”
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What sham will not say is that any Infidel who resists submission to Islam–including peacefully–is considered to be be ‘at war with Allah and his Apostle’.
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Peacful Apostate not killed:
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 56 :: Hadith 814
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 30 :: Hadith 107,108
Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 6087 [not blindly kill innocent people]
Apostate not killed:
Muslim :: Book 38 : Hadith 6693
Anas b. Malik reported: There was a person amongst us who belonged to the tribe of Bani Najjar and he recited Sura al-Baqarah and Surat Al-i-‘Imran and he used to transcribe for Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him). He ran away as a rebel and joined the People of the Book. They gave it much importance and said: He is the person who used to transcribe for Muhammad and they were much pleased with him. Time rolled on that ””””Allah caused his death”””'(NOT MUISLIM).
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Actually, none of these Hadith affirm sham’s claim that Muslims don’t butcher apostates at all.
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WHO ARE ACTUALLY KILLED APOSTATE?
Deuteronomy 13:6-9…
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The fact is that Muslims regularly slaughter apostates, and do so on the texts and tenets of Islam and the model of the “Prophet”. No Jew or Christian is killing apostates. This is an absurd and easily disproven assertion.
And if sham *really* believed this, why wouldn’t he take it up with his pious coreligionists, including Muslim clerics, rather than the good Infidels here at Jihad Watch?
Here’s a high-ranking Muslim Cleric affirming how central the murder of apostates is to Islam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huMu8ihDlVA
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Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 “And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, …..and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die.”
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Muslims are the ones stoning people to death–not Jews or Christians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJqwqJC8w9k
This did not happen in a Jewish or Christian country, but in the heart of Dar-al-islam.
And It is not just in Afghanistan that Muslims are brutally stoning victims to death, but in Pakistan, Somalia, and the Islamic State, as well.
Bartski says
The verses of the Old Testament cited are not taken seriously and are not followed by anyone , literally. Similar verses from the Quran are followed literally by significant numbers of Muslims in various Muslim groups in opposition to humanity as a whole, including other Muslims.
Talal Itani says
Why not promote tolerance? Why not report on Muslims who do not do strange things?
Biche | ChickAboutTown.com says
So well said!
gravenimage says
Talal Itani wrote:
Why not promote tolerance? Why not report on Muslims who do not do strange things?
Biche | ChickAboutTown.com wrote:
So well said!
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How does pretending Islam doesn’t call for the murder of apostates “promote tolerance”?
Clearly, you have no problem with a Muslim who would butcher his wife for daring to leave Islam–your only problem is with those who would dare report that this is happening.
As for this being “strange”, it is *anything* but. Killing apostates is mainstream Islam.
Here’s another high-ranking Muslim cleric affirming that apostates should be murdered:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itrbi-Ga7co
And here are several more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnZviVTXoAA
There is nothing “strange” about Muslims killing apostates.
If Talal Itani is the translator of the “Clear Qur’an”, then they know this all too well.