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UK: Christian loses appeal of suspension for giving Muslim a religious book

Apr 16, 2016 2:18 pm By Robert Spencer

If the shoe had been on the other foot, and a Muslim had been perceived as proselytizing and trying to convert a Christian to Islam, would the Muslim have been suspended, and lose her appeal? Of course not. Not in today’s appeasement-besotted dhimmi Britain.

Victoria Wasteney

“Christian NHS worker suspended for ‘harassing’ a Muslim colleague by giving her a religious book loses appeal against decision to discipline her,” by Euan McLelland, MailOnline, April 7, 2016 (thanks to Robert):

A Christian NHS worker suspended for giving a religious book to a Muslim colleague has lost her appeal against the ruling – with a judge concluding that the decision to discipline her was lawful.

Victoria Wasteney, 39, was found guilty by her NHS employer in 2014 of ‘harassing and bullying’ a work friend for giving her a book about a Muslim woman’s encounter with Christianity, praying with her and asking her to church.

She was suspended for nine months and given a written warning – even though the woman had been happy to discuss faith with her and never gave evidence about her allegations to the NHS.

Ms Wasteney, a senior occupational therapist, challenged the decision by East London NHS Foundation Trust at an employment tribunal last year, but it ruled that her employer had not discriminated against her.

A judge gave her the chance to appeal against that decision, saying it should consider whether the original ruling had correctly applied the European Convention on Human Rights’ strong protection of freedom of religion and expression.

But at a hearing in central London today, Her Honour Judge Eady QC dismissed the appeal.

Following the decision, Miss Wasteney, from Epping, Essex, said: ‘What the court clearly failed to do was to say how, in today’s politically correct world, any Christian can even enter into a conversation with a fellow employee on the subject of religion and not, potentially, later end up in an employment tribunal.

‘If someone sends you friendly text messages, how is one to know that they are offended? I had no idea that I was upsetting her.’

Miss Wasteney, a born-again Christian, was working at the St John Howard Centre in Homerton, east London, when she became friendly with a junior colleague Enya Nawaz.

The two women had discussed Islam and Christianity, as well as the work done by her church at the Christian Revival Church in the O2 Arena in Greenwich against human trafficking.

When Miss Nawaz was upset about health problems, Miss Wasteney said she offered to pray for her – putting her hand on her knee and asking God for ‘peace and healing’.

She also invited her to church events and gave her colleague a book, I Dared To Call Him Father, about a Muslim woman who converts to Christianity, but denied she was trying to make Miss Nawaz convert.

Miss Nawaz went onto make a formal complaint, and the East London NHS Foundation Trust suspended Ms Wasteney on full pay from her £50,000-a-year job for nine months while they investigated in June 2013….

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Comments

  1. SoCalMike says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 2:22 pm

    The more I read about EuroScum rolling over, the more I hate them.

    They absolutely make me sick.

    Can they roll over any harder or faster?

    They are not unlike the American Left.

    • Myrtle Linder says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 4:07 pm

      We are in the time in history, described as “The last days!” There will be many more acts of hatred directed at GOD’S people, as time goes on, until JESUS re-appears for HIS people

      Matthew 24 9-10
      9. Then shall they deliver you up, to be afflicted, and shall kill you; and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
      10. And then they shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

    • Shane says

      Apr 17, 2016 at 3:52 pm

      The traitorous left in North America and Europe have allied with Islamists to defeat their common enemies – Christianity and Western Civililzation. Yes, liberals and Muslims are working together to destroy our civilization.

    • Myles says

      Apr 18, 2016 at 10:01 am

      My sentiments exactly. There is going to be a lot of resistance to these marxist bureaucrats, and it won’t be passive. Bring back the guillotine.

  2. Walter Sieruk says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 2:34 pm

    One of the reasons that this young Christian women was suspended [persecuted] for giving a Muslim more balanced view of religion handing the Muslim a Christian book is because there is such a vast and outstanding difference between the “jesus ” of the Koran and the Jesus of the Bible. To explain this further it needs to be stated that with Islam so much in the news and in such great power in some countries, as Saudi Arabia and Iran, it’s a good thing to define what Islam really is .Of the many ways Islam may be described, one of them is that a religion of denial. Meaning that Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God. As in the Son of God Who is God the Father. Furthermore, Islam denies the Jesus is God the Son. In addition, Islam denies that Jesus is God. Before going over these three denials of Islam it first should the stated the Bible instructs the way to tell if a prophet or religious teacher is really from and of God or not is do the teachings and doctrines of that prophet of teacher really fit in accord what is found in the Bible ? For if that prophet or teachers and teachers doctrines that are in contradiction to the Bible then that prophet is a false prophet and that religious teacher is a false teacher and thus in doctrinal error and darkness. Likewise if a religion had teachings and doctrines that are in contradiction that is religion is in error also part of the world of darkness and is therefore a false religion. As the Bible instructs in Isaiah 8:20. “To the law of the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” [K.J.V.] With this clearly stated, three things should be known. First, that Islam denial that Jesus is the Son of God is in great contradiction to the teaching of the Bible . Which reveals the Jesus is the Son of God? As seen in ,for example Matthew 3:16,17. 16:15,16. Luke 1:35. John 3:16, 17, 36. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. 5:12,13. Second, that Islam denies that Jesus is God the Son is in strong contradiction to the Bible. As found in Hebrews 1:6-8. With emphasis on verse 8. Third, Islam’s denial that Jesus is God is in great contrast to the doctrine and teaching of the Bible. That Jesus is God may be found in ,for example, John 1:1;3. Colossians 1:15-17. Romans 9:5 Second Peter 1:1. Titus 2:13. First John 5:20. Moreover, to further discover that the Bible teachings that Jesus is God all a person has to do is to compare the Old Testament with New Testament to see that Jesus is God. As in comparing Isaiah 45:22,23. with Philippians 2:5-11. Also by comparing Psalm 89:8,9. with Mathew 8:23-27. will reveal that Jesus is God. Likewise, by comparing Psalm 62:5-7 . with First Corinthians 10:4. shows the Deity of Jesus. Even by comparing the News Testament books together will show that Jesus is God. As in comparing Romans 14:12. with John 5:22. will show Jesus to be God. The list can go on but this should be enough, for all who are willing to see the truth, that Jesus is, indeed, the Son of God. That Jesus is God the Son and that Jesus is God. The imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam will try to “explain’ this all away by making the claim that the Bible had been corrupted by Christians ,through time, and that’s way the Bible reads as it does. This claim, very much, underestimate the Power of God to protect and preserve His Word ,through time , and to keep in intact and away from the corruption of men. In conclusion, in light and information of the Bible in can be seen that Islam is a awful and terrible doctrinal error concerning it teaching about the Nature of Jesus and therefore Islam is part of the world of darkness. So Islam with its strong contradictions to the Bible is a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. So all dear Muslims are thus invited to leave the false religion of Islam and come the and receive the Jesus of the Bible who is the only way to heaven ,John 14:6. And the True Light of the world. John 8:12.
    There is also a Christian internet site which replies to the many different claims made by the imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam. It’s answering-islam.org

    • mortimer says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 10:54 pm

      In brief, Victoria Wasteney did nothing wrong.

    • خَليفة says

      Apr 17, 2016 at 12:14 pm

      Taking into consideration your accurate description of islam’s Jesus it becomes mind boggling how Muslims also believe that Jesus is alive in heaven ( while Mohammed is dead and buried ) and that Jesus will return ( to fulfill scripture – i.e. Be the final prophet ) and to be the perfectly just ruler of mankind. But no man can be a perfectly just ruler because of sin. Also, Muslim believe the reason babies cry at birth is because Satan touches them and Satan touches ALL mankind at birth ( no exceptions, even Mohammed was touched by Satan ) – but Muslims also believe Jesus is holy and Satan could not touch him.

      http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=19&verse=19

      If you do more research you find that only God can be holy.

      So it is mind boggling that Muslims continue to believe in a false religion when all the facts are right in front of their faces.

      Islam, “the religion of denial” is a valid description.

    • Sharon Boozer says

      Apr 17, 2016 at 10:20 pm

      I am reminded of scriptural warnings that this will happen her in end times before Jesus returns to reign. In Isaiah 5:20-21 Woes to the Wicked
      … 20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! 21Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!…

  3. CogitoErgoSum says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    How long until cases such as this are settled as they are in Pakistan? Does anyone remember Asia Bibi? Her case was supposed to be up for review on March 26 but I can not find any information on the outcome. Is she still alive?

  4. Richard says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 2:52 pm

    Another plausible explanation for this type of misplaced political correctness, would be that lower and middle management are simply using the situation to extend their coercive powers over colleagues in the organisations which employ them. In my case, the suspension on full pay was for six months – the complaint totally unknown until the suspension happened suddenly one afternoon and the complainant’s name kept secret. The complainant claimed to be an offended Muslim and the bank which employed me refused to negotiate with my attorney also ignoring ACAS approaches. I do not regret leaving even though it was constructive dismissal because being Jewish, I had been discriminated against over a long period. Only this time the complainant claimed to be Muslim.

  5. Angemon says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 2:54 pm

    A Christian NHS worker suspended for giving a religious book to a Muslim colleague has lost her appeal against the ruling – with a judge concluding that the decision to discipline her was lawful.

    I’m almost in 100% agreement with that judge. The judge thinks the decision was lawful, I think it was awful – but what’s a little ‘l’ amongst friends?

    Miss Wasteney, a born-again Christian, was working at the St John Howard Centre in Homerton, east London, when she became friendly with a junior colleague Enya Nawaz.

    The two women had discussed Islam and Christianity, as well as the work done by her church at the Christian Revival Church in the O2 Arena in Greenwich against human trafficking.

    When Miss Nawaz was upset about health problems, Miss Wasteney said she offered to pray for her – putting her hand on her knee and asking God for ‘peace and healing’.

    She also invited her to church events and gave her colleague a book, I Dared To Call Him Father, about a Muslim woman who converts to Christianity, but denied she was trying to make Miss Nawaz convert.

    Miss Nawaz went onto make a formal complaint

    Oh, she filed a complaint? I’m shocked! Shocked and appalled… that it took her so long to do so.

  6. Westman says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    This reminds me of the quiet dog that sneaks from behind before biting. Since Muslims are instructed not to make friends with a kufr, one should always assume that apparent friendliness is simply good manners and nothing else.

    Of all the stories I’ve read about Muslims using the law for a weapon, in none was there any warning or attempt at an amicable solution before they called some authority. I’m sure some Imams that have debated Robert Spencer were extremely frustrated that they were not in a Muslim country where they could have him arrested for “insulting” Islam(them).

    Islam is the religion of revenge. E4E.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 3:16 pm

      The Muslim woman was looking for a way to stop proselytizing by Christians, since it is impermissible under Sharia law. The woman may have been instructed by some Muslim organization on what to do.

      Sharia law says a dhimmi may not teach a Muslim another religion or the dhimmi’s life is ‘unprotected’. A dhimmi who proselytizes a Muslim may be expelled or executed.

      O11.10 (Dhimmi agreement is violated…blasphemy of a kafir…mentions something impermissible…life and property are unprotected)

      The agreement is also violated (A: with respect to the offender alone) if the state has stipulated that any of the following things break it, and one of the subjects does so anyway, though if the state has not stipulated that these break the agreement, then they do not; namely, if one of the subject people:

      -3- leads a Muslim away from Islam;

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 17, 2016 at 11:11 pm

        All true, Mortimer.

        • Aylan says

          Apr 18, 2016 at 12:39 am

          Perhaps the polite, clean-cut Mormons that come to the door will be next. This sets a worrying precedent. Political correctness has become a threat. What is wrong with the judge ?

    • Karen says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 10:57 pm

      You make the best possible point. Couldn’t Ms. Nawaz simply have said “no, thank you, I’m not interested”? Instead, she tried to destroy and defame the woman who befriended her. Very sad; Ms. Nawaz has driven a wedge. And I think in her heart she also knows she is a bit of a fraud.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 17, 2016 at 11:41 pm

        Karen wrote:

        You make the best possible point. Couldn’t Ms. Nawaz simply have said “no, thank you, I’m not interested”
        …………………..

        Exactly. I’ve had a few coworkers over the years proselytize me in faiths I’m not personally that into–Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses–in these cases I read the material they provided with polite interest, but then let them know I was not planning on converting.

        Unless someone got aggressive–which has *never* happened–I could not imagine reporting them to my supervisors over what was an honest concern over my spiritual well being.

        • Mark Swan says

          Apr 18, 2016 at 6:02 am

          You are right she could have said no thanks…not ran it in the ground like this.

  7. mortimer says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    One would think the judge believed she was enforcing the Sharia law prohibition of trying to invite a Muslim to Shirk (i.e. to a non-Muslim religion).

    It may be news to Judge Ealy that the Church of England is established in England and that speaking about Christianity in England cannot, therefore, be illegal. It would only be illegal if it were some form of harassment.

    Moreover, to be harassment, an action must be persistent and there must be some evidence that the complainant made an effort to request the person stop the behavior. If not, how do you prove harassment? A statement long after the alleged harassment doesn’t have credibility. I could accuse everyone I know after the fact and no one could say whether my claims are true or not.

    The judge apparently has a hatred for Christianity.

    • Paul B says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 5:29 pm

      Without a shadow of doubt, Mortimer, hatred for Christianity has run right through this case. The Christian Legal Centre has supported her, and their web site christianconcern.com has quite a bit more information. Referring to the first appeal they said:

      I have little doubt that if the situation had been reversed and a Christian employee had complained about being aggressively proselytised by a Muslim, it would again be the Christian in the dock for being bigoted and Islamophobic!

      • Paul B says

        Apr 16, 2016 at 5:32 pm

        Not sure why it cut the quote out between “they said” and “I have”? Try again:

        The ruling against Victoria was made despite the fact that the Complainant failed to attend the disciplinary hearing and one of the witnesses had said he was pressured into making statements against her.

        “I fear I may have been entrapped by a colleague who encouraged me to discuss my faith, who willingly agreed that I could pray for her and who even accepted an invitation to a church charity event,” Victoria said.

        She added that Christian groups are required to fit around managerial arrangements in the Trust whereas, by contrast, joint staff and service-user Muslim fellowship meetings are always facilitated, regardless of any staffing issues.

        “There is undoubtedly a pattern of inequality of treatment of Christians and Muslims in the NHS. Regardless of allocated break times, Muslim staff can pray five times a day, which I am not objecting to, but Christians are often denied time off on Sundays or permission to take breaks during their lunchtime for prayer or religious worship,” she said.

        • mortimer says

          Apr 16, 2016 at 10:38 pm

          The Church of England is the established church. Did anyone call the Archbishop of Canterbury to become involved? Did anyone call Lord Carey? He has some spunk in him…a real man.

          Kicking Christians around for being Christian has to be stopped. It’s time for Anglicans (and other English Christians) to stop being so frightfully polite. I’m speaking to HM as well. The aristocracy should get involved. Everyone should be involved.

    • Myrtle Linder says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 8:16 pm

      The judge should be debarred!!

    • Karen says

      Apr 17, 2016 at 9:35 am

      “The judge apparently has a hatred for Christianity.”

      Yes; and her enemy’s enemy is her friend….for now, anyway, until that friend turns on her.

  8. خَليفة says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 3:09 pm

    This is tragic.

    I wonder if British monarchy is still sour for having lost the Americas to the revolution, And all its other territories like India ? Maybe British monarchy wants to squash freedom and regain some of its imperial powers.

    Britianistan is fast becoming a full on dhimmi country.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 3:26 pm

      You are very uninformed and prejudiced about the monarchy. The Queen is Defender of the Faith and head of the Church of England and a devout Christian.

      In fact, Victoria Wasteney should appeal directly to the Queen to stop this nonsense. The Queen took an oath to defend the church and the ‘Law of God’. There is such a thing in Christianity known as the ‘Great Commission’…the requirement to preach Christianity to all peoples. The Queen knows this and it is her duty to defend it.

      • Kepha says

        Apr 16, 2016 at 3:34 pm

        Mortimer–I note that George III and Victoria were also noted for their Protestant piety.

        I think a large problem is that the militant secularists, if they knew them, would admire Islam’s laws of Dhimmitude and impose them on traditional believers everywhere.

      • خَليفة says

        Apr 16, 2016 at 9:16 pm

        True, I am prejudice against monarchy – there is no place in a modern world for such things – British royalty inherit titles and pay no inheritance tax, where the commoners can work hard all their life and have nothing to pass on to family due to inheritance taxes – it is an antiquated system of double standards that keep the privileged rich at the expense of the common.

        Let’s hope VW does so and that the queen does the right thing.

        Mortimer, I may not always agree with you, but I do have a great deal of respect for you and for your comments. I am never unhinged by rebuke.

        • mortimer says

          Apr 16, 2016 at 10:53 pm

          The system works extremely well, especially when you have a superstar like Queen Elizabeth or Queen Margaret of Denmark or King Carlos of Spain. The most desirable, prosperous and stable countries are monarchies. The Royal Family should be working on protecting Christians and should be contacting Christian Legal Centre to show an example. One of the Royals should visit Victoria Wasteney.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Apr 17, 2016 at 4:18 am

        You said, “Victoria Wasteney should appeal directly to the Queen”.

        Indeed she *should*.

        And so should all the ex-Muslim now-Christian persons in the UK who are suffering *dreadful* persecution from their former coreligionists and are NOT receiving anything like the protection that they *should* be getting from the British police and the British non-Muslim authorities in general.

        Victoria, and all others who have suffered as she has, in the UK, and all ex-Muslims now Christian, notably Nissan Hussain and his family (who have been hounded from pillar to post across the UK by violent, threatening Muslims), *must* write directly to the Queen. And once they have written, they should also gather in a body at the gate of Buckingham Palace in London and read their petition out loud, their plea – to the Defender of the [Christian] Faith – for succour. Pleading to her to do her job – to ‘advise and warn’ the Government of Britain that it should act on behalf of threatened Christians within the UK. They should remind her of the story of Esther.

  9. Custos Custodum says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 3:47 pm

    Judge Eady QC?

    Is this person by any chance related to David Eady, former go-to libel judge for Saudi terror sponsors and other characters afraid of daylight?

    • mortimer says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 10:39 pm

      Are you smelling what I’m smelling? (psst…money trail)

  10. Richie says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 3:58 pm

    Europe is a lost cause

    • Jay Boo says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 9:23 pm

      Richie is a lost cause

      Pull down that flag of Surrender

  11. linnte says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    I bet Ms Nawas was screaming Allahu Akbar when she heard of her “victory”. Makes my stomach roil!

  12. R Russell says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    This is a solemn warning to us all to remind us to be as wise as serpents and gentle as doves. Had this lady suspected there was an alternative agenda she would hopefully have been as wise as a serpent. The lady in question hopefully will not be so naive again. She was set up. Next time she and anyone else in a similar position will wait till they are on neutral ground once the shift is ended before carrying out the request of someone, who like the complainer, has another agenda.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 16, 2016 at 11:03 pm

      Don’t blame the victim.

      She did nothing wrong. Sharia law forbids ‘others’ from trying to lead a Muslim from his or her faith. This is the ideology of supremacism.

      It is Sharia law that is wrong! Islam’s a brainwashing, obscurantist, anti-intellectual, counter-rational supremacist Death Cult.

      A supremacist is not interested in fairness. This was a setup and someone or several persons were behind it. Their names will eventually come out.

      • Jay Boo says

        Apr 16, 2016 at 11:19 pm

        Shame on you.
        mort.

        You are claiming that the MUSLIM is the victim again.

        You recently said the same thing about a Muslim’s committing “rape jihad”
        Ironically, such a Muslim would sooner cut of your head than give you a pat on the back since your patronizing attitude to Muslims not having accountability for doing their “duty” would be seen not only as groveling but as highly insulting.

        They are not your little children or pets.
        They are fully grown humans.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 17, 2016 at 11:45 pm

          Jay Boo, I don’t see where Mortimer is claiming that the Muslim was the victim at all–just the opposite, in fact.

      • Mirren10 says

        Apr 17, 2016 at 11:21 am

        ”Shame on you.
        mort.

        You are claiming that the MUSLIM is the victim again.”

        Where does Mortimer say this ? He doesn’t.

      • Mark Swan says

        Apr 18, 2016 at 6:09 am

        Nope Don’t See It !

  13. D says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    God’s not dead

  14. Hope says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    This is so clearly a case of entrapment by the muslim woman. She recognized the opportunity to take down an infidel and took full advantage of the situation. As mortimer mentioned, above, she undoubtedly was coached along the way. And how disgusting that this Christian woman’s actions constitute “harassing and bullying” in the UK!

  15. Ian H says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    When a government goes off the rails and starts to do silly stuff this can be corrected at the ballot box. In a democracy people largely get the government they deserve. But when the courts start to make silly PC rulings like this then it is harder to correct the problem. We rely on judges to maintain the impartiality of the law. When they fail in this duty it diminishes respect for the rule of law.

  16. european says

    Apr 16, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    Unbelievable!

  17. mach37 says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 3:42 am

    How long will it take Christians to understand that they cannot convert Muslims? It is drummed into the heads of Muslims from the time they can understand their language that they will be killed if they convert from Islam. It is clear in the Quran, repeated in multiple verses. The word HAS to be gotten out to Christians and people living in Western Democracies that Muslims DO NOT CONVERT! Why not convert? Because they will be targeted for killing by the likes of ISIS, al Qaeda, Boko Harum, and other fundamentalist Muslims.

    • Kepha says

      Apr 17, 2016 at 9:04 pm

      mach37; We Christians know we can’t convert Muslims–but we also know that the Holy Spirit can, has, and is doing so. No man says that Jesus is Lord unless by the Holy Spirit. (I Cor. 12:3). Victoria Wasteney is the victim not only of her co-worker’s malice, but of that of the authorities.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 17, 2016 at 11:51 pm

      Actually, there have been quite a few converts from the ugliness of Islam to Christianity despite the danger to apostates–including in the very book Ms. Wasteney lent this Muslimah.

      Conversion to Christianity is rare enough that it will not solve all the problems of Muslims overrunning the West–but it *does* happen.

  18. dumbledoresarmy says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 4:30 am

    The article mentions a book.

    “She also invited her to church events and gave her colleague a book, I Dared To Call Him Father, about a Muslim woman who converts to Christianity,.”

    The book in question is “I Dared to Call Him Father”, and the author is Bilquis Sheikh, from Pakistan. She belonged to a well-to-do well-educated superficially-westernised but also practising (but not – apparently- fanatical) Muslim family in Pakistan. She converted as an adult of full age, after becoming curious about the Christian faith and deciding to read – and compare – the New Testament (in Urdu translation) with the Quran.

    I have read it. It is an excellent little book and I recommend it. It is one of the first books that taught me a key point about Islam: that Islam decrees that any Muslim who *leaves* Islam must be killed. After the author’s conversion became known her family and extended family (who had previously had a fairly pleasant relation with her) *turned* upon her, murderously and furiously, and she ended up having to flee from her home and then from Pakistan into exile.

    It also teaches a key point about Islam vs Christianity (indeed, Islam vs Biblical faith). That is: that under Islam you CANNOT and MUST NOT think of ‘god’ as ‘Father’. Whereas for Jews and Christians it is quite natural and normal to address YHWH, the Holy One, with loving respect, as ‘Father’, the very *idea* of addressing ‘allah’ as ‘Father’ is *unthinkable* for Muslims.

    BTW, a person I know, who was once part of a Christian NGO in Pakistan, working with the Christian minority there, years ago *met* the lady (now deceased of old age) who wrote this book, and was most impressed by her faith and character.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 18, 2016 at 12:00 am

      Yes–a fine book.

  19. Richard Paulsen says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 8:23 am

    Sad, thinking of such a lovely person. A shame.

  20. Dan says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 9:15 am

    Weird.

    I would have thought those shooting, stabbing, blowing up, and cutting heads off to convert would have been the ones charged with harassment.

  21. Michael Poulin says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 9:54 am

    The Queen is not a “defender of Christianity” but an enabler of its destruction just like Henry VIII and every English monarch since then the UK has been on a death spiral.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 18, 2016 at 12:03 am

      You believe Britain has accomplished nothing since the sixteenth century?

      I suppose creating most of the freedoms of the civilized world and abolishing slavery count for naught…

      • Aylan says

        Apr 18, 2016 at 12:32 am

        The Queen is “Defender of the Faith” It is her job to defend Christianity.

    • Aylan says

      Apr 18, 2016 at 12:30 am

      Agree but have so many replies can not give a full reply.

  22. Carole Kotkiewicz says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 11:16 am

    Why do I get the feeling that our leadership has lost it’s collective mind? It’s scary!

  23. Carole Kotkiewicz says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 11:17 am

    Why do I get the feeling that our leadership has lost it’s collective mind? It’s scary!

  24. Mirren10 says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 11:24 am

    ”Miss Nawaz went onto make a formal complaint … ”

    Evil bitch. May she rot in Hell.

  25. Aylan says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    Donald Trump’s story of the snake comes to mind.

  26. gravenimage says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    UK: Christian loses appeal of suspension for giving Muslim a religious book
    ……………………

    This poor Christian woman was set up–and is now being victimized by her own dhimmi employers.

    That this is the NHS makes it all the worse–Victoria Wasteney likely does not have a lot of other employment options in her field.

    This is clearly intended to make *any* Christian or other non-Muslim too frightened to talk to any Muslim about their faith lest they face dismissal.

    • Aylan says

      Apr 18, 2016 at 12:42 am

      Good point ! if the shoe had been on the other foot no one would have given the complainant the time-of-day.

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