When the jihad terror attacks took place in Paris and Brussels, Ida S. Suandi-Al Shara began to ask herself “if I or we can live safely” in London. Why? Because armed bands of non-Muslims are menacing innocent Muslims? No, that’s not happening. Or because Muslims have been barred from holding certain jobs or entering certain areas? No, that’s not happening either? Is it because Muslims are being harassed, ridiculed, mocked, vilified, and menaced? No, contrary to claims, that isn’t happening, either. Ida S. Suandi-Al Shara is worried that “people will start to look at me in a funny way.”
Oh, the Islamophobia! As Muslims are committing mass murder in Europe, this Muslim woman is worried not about the lost lives, or about the texts and teachings of Islam that jihadis use to justify this savagery, but about people giving her funny looks. The “Islamophobia” industry is getting increasingly absurd, and it has to, since there isn’t any real “Islamophobia” upon which it can base its victimhood claims.
“Singaporean Muslim mum in London: How can my family live here safely?,” by Ida S Suandi – Al Shara, The New Paper, April 7, 2016 (thanks to Blazing Cat Fur):
Late last year, just a month after our move from Eindhoven in the Netherlands to London, the city of Paris was shaken by a number of explosions that claimed hundreds of lives.
What we saw on the news then just numbed us.
My family and I just sat down for a moment and watched the television without uttering a word.
We were shocked by what was shown on the news and immediately felt scared.
You see, Paris was only three and a half hours from our previous residence in Eindhoven and we had, on a number of occasions, taken road trips over the weekend to enjoy Paris’ beauty and serenity.
The places where the attacks took place somehow struck a chord of familiarity.
Just four months later, the city of Brussels became the latest target of violence in Europe.
Once again, we sat in front of the telly and went silent.
If Paris was a three-and-a-half-hour drive from our previous residence, Brussels was only an hour and fifteen minutes away.
Worse still, Brussels and Antwerp were the two cities that we visited on most weekends not only because of their close proximity to us then, but also because of the large number of Muslims in these cities that gave us the opportunity to explore the many halal restaurants and shops that catered to our needs.
When these tragedies, so close to where we have been, happened, I always ask myself if I or we can live safely here.
Every day when my husband goes to work and the children are at school, I’m afraid to go anywhere and will stay indoors.
Perhaps this is just me and my mind playing the scary ‘what ifs’ scenarios, but I am a Muslim woman and I don the hijab.
Also, we now live in an area where there are hardly any Muslims and I know each time something big like the bombings happen somewhere, people will start to look at me in a funny way.
Although not much has been reported, when incidents of violence such as the Belgium bombings happen, hate crime or hate against Muslims will also be on the rise.
Since the Paris attack, a number of incidents have been reported in London where Muslim women wearing the hijab had been targets of racial abusers.
TALKING ABOUT HATE
My children have also told me that in school, their teachers held special talks about what happened and also about hate crime.
The head teacher also informed the students that terrorism and violence will not be tolerated and that it is not their Muslim friends or neighbours who commit these devious crimes, but the so-called extremist Muslims who do not follow the teachings of Islam properly.
But I can’t help thinking that among these students there still might be some who think that all Muslims are the same, that we know about the terrorists among us even when truthfully we don’t and that we hate violence of any kind.
What truly riles me are these so-called Muslim extremists who claimed the right to live in these European cities, often benefitting from financial, health and housing help from the government and even their livelihood from their adopted countries, and yet committing violence without batting an eyelid.
Which part of this is the teaching of Islam I wonder.
Is this what Islam is all about?
Certainly not.
Islam is a religion of peace and calmness and teaches, like all other religions, to love and respect one another.
For example, in the Quran, we are reminded as many as 90 times to be patient. This shows how Islam is.
We do not inflict violence on anyone even with our tongues, never mind weapons….
So, in times like this, I cannot help but ask my husband: “Will you get a Singapore posting any time soon?”
Good idea. Go.

cs says
me me me me me and me, I am only interested in what people think about me, I don’t care the impact of what my ideology is bringing into the world, the amount of suffering and disgust.
nicu says
They always are scared pussies and worry about themselves – while Muslims commit the worst crimes these days .
Stop wearing that stupid scarf , b*** !
K. says
I’m actually glad she’s wearing her hideous ideology on the outside.
robert says
send the whole g..damm bunch back to where they came from.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes, there is that.
When they wear the Gang Colours then you know who they are and where their allegiance lies.
It’s the unhijabbed Huma Abedins who are much, much more dangerous and deadly.
Rachel Resende says
You correct!!
mortimer says
cs wrote: “I am only interested in what people think about me, I don’t care the impact of what my ideology is bringing into the world”
Right. Ida isn’t interested in doing anything to stop the ideology of jihad terror. She doesn’t want jihad terrorism to inconvenience her. It is now inconveniencing her and embarrassing her, even though it is normative Islam…a compulsory obligation…rather than an aberration. Ida also has a duty to participate in jihad terror, even if merely by contributing to it financially. She pretends she does not understand that jihad is a duty to all Muslims.
Ida wants us to play along with her deceit and pretend she is unfamiliar with Islamic terror.
However, increasing numbers of Western people are reading about Islam and now understand the compulsory duty of jihad.
Ida is not doing her duty to Islam…she is a phony wearing the uniform of jihad, but not refusing to hold the weapons of jihad.
pdxnag says
You say it better, but this what I had penned:
I would have thought that peer pressure to get someone to abandon their superior loyalty to inherently seditious Islam would be a good thing. She should strongly consider apostasy from Islam, if indeed she is offended by the violence of her coreligionists.
Carolyne says
If she doesn’t want people to look at her strangely, she should discard the slave outfit she wears which signifies she belongs to some horrid old Muslim man and hold her head high and with human dignity instead of dressing like some kind of spook.
PJG says
Dr Divinity: you said, “Why would anybody want to live under such harsh religious laws is beyond me.”
Sharia laws work out very well for Muslims if they can be imposed on a large non-Muslim majority. Think of the jizya tax and the other forms of exploitation which Muslims can avail themselves of, if they have a quasi-royal, privileged position in a country, especially in a wealthy country full of hardworking but subdued infidels.
Once time passes and the infidels are squeezed so much that they convert or leave, life becomes somewhat tougher for the Muslims.
Something else…I was told in the Sudan that when Nimeiri suddenly impose sharia law on the entire population in the 80s, it was the non-Muslims who had their hands cut off for theft but Muslims managed to avoid such punishments. Rather mean, don’t you think?
gravenimage says
Yes, PJG–not only is Shari’ah *intrinsically* discriminatory to women and Infidels, but it is in consistently applied more harshly to them in practice in Shari’ah states.
cs says
Yes, part of zakhat goes for jihad.
http://www.shariahfinancewatch.org/blog/2012/08/28/how-zakat-funds-jihad/
gravenimage says
*Very* true. “Zakat” is often translated as “charity” in English, but this is way off-base.
Zakat goes to fund anything that pushes Islam–and that is far more often funding violent Jihad than anything we would consider actual charity.
Sandra Lee Smith says
And EVERY Muslim gives zakat, even in theUS!
John Stefan Obeda says
And Obama in one of his speeches, I remember, explained why he did what he had done. It was to encourage and to make more possible for the Muslims in the U.S. to do their zakat. It seems that the U.S.is becoming its very own enemy. We must be willing to get the people to know Islam and then be willing to be looked at funny.
gravenimage says
Good points, Sandra and John.
Ted Tyler says
“Islam is a religion of peace and calmness and teaches, like all other religions, to love and respect one another.
For example, in the Quran, we are reminded as many as 90 times to be patient. This shows how Islam is.
We do not inflict violence on anyone even with our tongues, never mind weapons….”
I think that there is a possibility that this woman actually does believe that her religion is a religion of peace. It may be that all that she has been told is that it is good to be a Muslim, you should do whatever your husband tells you to do, and to question anything that you are told makes you a bad person. Then again, she could be lying.
However, it sounds to me like she is really not into violence or killing non-Muslims. To look out for your own self-interest is rational. What I would like to see is a 1 on 1 interview with her.
Panmelia says
She seems more upset about not having nice days out and going to restaurants anymore than people being killed and maimed by her religion of hate and grievance and hypocrisy.
How inconvenient!
Sod off back to Singapore or any other place you want as long as you don’t pollute Europe.
BC says
The solution is simple, get rid of the hijab and burka or whatever it is you are wearing, and dress like normal people in a free society. The nobody will notice you.
If you insist on dressing in a strange and alien fashion, do not be surprised if people stare.
You are surely aware that there are many Muslim women who dress like Western women and nobody is paying any attention except perhaps to think the look great, shock horror!
BC says
Sorry typos, is it too much to ask for an edit button here? The solution is simple, get rid of the hijab and burka or whatever it is you are wearing, and dress like normal women in a free society. Then nobody will notice you.
If you insist on dressing in a strange and alien fashion, do not be surprised if people stare.
You are surely aware that there are many Muslim women who dress like Western women and nobody is paying any attention except perhaps to think they look great, Shock horror!
Paul says
“The solution is simple, get rid of the hijab and burka or whatever it is
you are wearing, and dress like normal people in a free society. Then
nobody will notice you.”
Won’t happen. Too simple, too logical. She’s already embraced the
psychopathic victimiser/victimhood mentality, which is at the heart
of that cult. Will she ever wake up? Maybe, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Perhaps in a sane society she’d be able to snap out of it, but SJWs
have a very similar mentality, which completely panders to and
vindicates such a ludicrously perceived victimhood mentality.
This won’t end well.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Yep; the narcissism is blatant! If she doesn’t like the “looks”, no one is making her wear that tent!
Chris says
I have been saying that Islam needs to do some dirty laundry. Now, sooner than later. So, if Islam is truly a religion of peace, then it is time for that religion to clean out the members that practice extremism, the jihadists. Makes sense doesn’t it? It doesn’t matter if they don’t know who the jihadists are. They can find out and once they do then either re-educate them or report them. That includes those that are teaching jihad. The alternative is for the host country to find out who they are and handle the matter themselves. That effort seems to be too little too late and always behind the eight ball. Just sayin’.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Cleaning out thecurrent batch won’t stop it; the Quran has to GO! As long as it exists the problem WILL keep repeating, just as it has for the past 14 or so centuries! It contains the instructions to do that. Islam itself IS the problem! Like a cancer in your body, if you don’t get ALL the cells, and the surrounding tissues that support the tumor, it WILL recur!
linnte says
PERFECT ANSWER!
Sandra Lee Smith says
Thank, Linnte.
linnte says
🙂
linnte says
I made a comment to this article on the page it appears. What a pitiful crock of shit.
Christianblood says
This muslima knows that people in the West really DON’T care about the real victims of islam such as Christians and Yazidis etc but that the care things like “homophobic” slurs and looking others in a “funny way” etc. Muslims know that people in the West is decadent, misguided, Anti-Christian, materialistic and pro-muslim and they are taking a full advantage of all those things.
linnte says
I know Christian but I felt compelled and when I feel that, I listen! You never know who will read it and begin to think on their own. Besides, that compulsion I think, comes from God.
Christianblood says
linnte
Trust me. Muslims are smart. They studied how the present-day Western mind thinks and they are milking it to their full advantage! Trust me.
linnte says
Yup. Thanks for the info!
Sandra Lee Smith says
That’s true of a majority of westerners, true, but not of all of us.
Chris says
I second your opinion.
PRCS says
Saw your post at The New Paper, linnte.
Good job.
You are right, more and more filthy Western kuffar ARE becoming aware of Islam’s ugly teachings and practices; making it ever more difficult for the “person on the street” to not wonder if she (and those like her) are lying or ignorant.
’68’–Milton-Freewater.
linnte says
Thanks! I always wonder what my angry words sound like to other people! Hahaha! And gee…..I hope I didn’t offend anyone…..NOT! HAHAAHA!
Sandra Lee Smith says
And/or what may be lurking under that tent with her!
Hope says
So, where is Muslima’s shock and outrage about cold-blooded mass murder? Where is her disgust for the perpetrators? Her sympathy for the victims? Her declaration of sisterhood with non-muslim members of European society? Her resolve to speak out against jihad in her community? Her call for open and honest discussion of the hatred being preached in the mosques? Right. So many people would read this article for what it says. Jihad-Watchers are reading it for what it doesn’t say, loud and clear.
greyhound fancier says
You’d think she’d be angry with the perps of the murders, if she truly believes that the jihadis besmirch her religion and place her and her family in danger.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Right you are! And what it doesn’t say is far more telling than what it does say is.
Westman says
“…people will start to look at me in a funny way”
Start? How many wondered why a woman was wearing a black hoodie in 110 F degree weather BEFORE they ever heard of Islam?
There are some folks running about with tatoos completely covering arm and legs. Yes, we noticed, but we’re not giving them a special status to protect them from criticism. Neither hijabs, balaclavas, or KKK hoods were normal in Western society at some time. A hijab in Cutbank Montana would make the Native Indians take notice.
Stop with the false victim whining, already. You were noticed as different when you first made an out of the ordinary appearance; whether dressed like Madonna, sporting green hair, wearing a Monk’s frock, a Nun’s habit, an Amish bonnet, or wearing a hijab.
“But I can’t help thinking that among these students there still might be some who think that all Muslims are the same, that we know about the terrorists among us even when truthfully we don’t and that we hate violence of any kind.” Please define, “we”.
So why are so many of the Ummah violent? Where are the Amish terrorists? Should the bonnet-wearing Amish women fear being looked at differently? And you honestly think other Muslims, not you, of course, don’t know a terrorist?
The problem is the Islamic ideology, not the people. All Islamic Ideology, codified at Al-Azhar, IS the same and it allows violence against Infidels; a grotesque example set by Muhammad himself.
The most intelligent approach is to study the Quran and Hadith, then ask, where did the violence come from? If you really have to ask, you didn’t do the study.
Babs says
I beg to differ that the problem lies only with the ideology. That ideology insulates the people from alternative viewpoints which promote mental health rather than death wish, which makes it their problem.
Westman says
I see your point. I meant the origin of the problem lies with the ideology that allows it. Human competition is most likely the core human instinct, Maslow’s survival actually being a competition against death. Fortunately, most of humanity has risen to where competition is modified by laws that are adjusted as needs occur. No so with barbaric Sharia,
Geoffrey Cooper says
True, it is a kind of highly communicable, psychotic mental illness. I have wondered which came first, the chicken or the egg? By which I mean are the Arabs and Pakistanis, Persians etc. like they are (not a single democracy, appalling human rights, misogynistic, lawless, despotic fly-blown hell-holes almost to a country) because of Islam? Or is Islam like it is because it was a product of such people? After all nearly everyone agrees that far-Eastern Islam is a much more benign affair, (atrocities like Bali and Timor are invariably inspired, funded and supported by Arabs) I think, largely because east Asians are just nicer, more intelligent, spiritual and peaceable people than middle-easteners. Any ideas on this?
Westman says
Geoffrey, I think you have identified a question that is central to violence in the origin of Islam and its justification of violence against infidels.
I’m certain that most of us have wondered if Islamic Ideology is a reflection of existing Arab society in the 7th century. There is no way to discuss this at length without being accused of racism by Muslims and cultural relativists. It may be sufficient to say that life was brutal, a gain in wealth usually was another person or tribe’s loss. Females were considered a burden; many female newborns being buried alive in the sand. There is a Hadith where one of Muhammad’s companions describes his sorrow at burying a daughter. No mention of the mother. There is even a reference to daughter genocide in the Quran:
And when the girl [who was] buried alive is asked for what sin she was killed. Surah 81-8-9.
Muhammad made certain this practice stopped under Islam. Amusingly, Muslimas refer to this to illustrate how women are now equal while they wear the tent, sit in the back of the Mosque, can’t drive(SA), and must have some male relative about in public; essentially always being some man’s property. The Quran says, “God has made the one superior to the other”.
I wonder how Muslim women, on public assistance in Europe, continue to justify their Quranic inferiority. The Quran says a woman should obey her husband, “.. because they spend their wealth to maintain them”, yet he is not; they are living off the infidels.
I would tend to think a primitive warring tribal society created Islam and so its expression is truest in the society from which it sprang.
Franklin P. Uroda says
I (male) hesitate to even casually talk to a Muslim woman for fear that she might be attacked by her husband or other Muslim men.
linnte says
And that is the WHOLE point of the Hijab and Burqua! To cut women off from any communication with others not of their ilk. God forbid they should hear anything truthful about Islam from a stranger! She might decide to run away. So sad.
gravenimage says
Geoffrey Cooper wrote:
True, it is a kind of highly communicable, psychotic mental illness. I have wondered which came first, the chicken or the egg? By which I mean are the Arabs and Pakistanis, Persians etc. like they are (not a single democracy, appalling human rights, misogynistic, lawless, despotic fly-blown hell-holes almost to a country) because of Islam? Or is Islam like it is because it was a product of such people?
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Geoffrey, much of Islam *originally* was due to the barbarism of Dark Ages Arabia, with its warring barbarian Bedouin tribes.
But there is nothing intrinsic about Arabs that makes them savages–neither Arab Christians nor Arab Muslim apostates are violent.
But converts to Islam usually are, whatever their cultural or genetic background, including those from the civilized West.
So in the end, this is not about race, but about a vile ideology.
gravenimage says
Westman wrote:
And when the girl [who was] buried alive is asked for what sin she was killed. Surah 81-8-9.
………………………
This is, however, the *only* decent thing in the Qur’an, Westman–this is not hyperbole–this is quite literal.
Also no mention that this condemnation was not new–this was already completely prohibited under Judaism and Christianity.
Also, the condemnation is implicit, not explicit–the reference in the Qur’an is to various signs of the impending “Last Days”, including eclipses and boiling seas–there is no actual clear injunction for Muslims to end the practice.
But even if one takes this for an unalloyed point of decency in the Qur’an, it is a damned lonely one.
Sandra Lee Smith says
It did for considerable centuries, yes, but modern technology renders that excuse invalid. They know what their Quran teaches and what the rest of the world thinks of it now, and have had access to that, even in their home nations for better than a decade; certainly time enough to have given it thought! But many, including this whiny child, LIVE amid other cultures and can see and hear other viewpoints easily; yet they remain unchanged. That suggests they support the jihad at some level, whether they admit it or not; and remember taqqiya and kitman!
ArcadiaP says
How about Muslims blocking city streets to show their holiness what’s wrong with praying in your Mosques?
Westman says
There are taxes for using the road with your car embedded in the price of fuel and property taxes. Europe needs a prayer road tax to recover the revenue when roads are blocked by rugs.
Babs says
Too late!
Where I live, they already do.
If she wants them not too (and I believe that this is a classic example of the sort of paranoid projection encouraged by islam, in which they accuse others of the sort of behaviour they so readily descend to) then the solution would be quite simple – either stop wearing the hijab and bin bag and wear western clothing, or leave!
BlueRaven says
Islam makes everyone sick – those who worship it and those who oppose it. Is there anything the Muslims can be sincere about and tell a tiny bit of truth? I never seen anything yet – I searched for it over twenty years. These stupid Muslima will never ever complain about their frigging Imams preaching hate against everyone, but they complain about the valid concerns that everyone has about Islam: like rape, like cutting throat of innocents, like grooming extremely young girls, like FGM, like terror, like taking over our cities, like…….
Obviously crocodile tears of these Muslimas do NOT bother me a bit … no sympathy for the lying bitches.
gravenimage says
BlueRaven wrote:
Islam makes everyone sick – those who worship it and those who oppose it.
……………………
Blue Raven, do you mean it makes us physically ill or mentally sick to oppose the evils of Islam? If the former, I quite agree; if the latter, then no.
BlueRaven says
It makes Muslims mentally sick hence physically sick. It makes me wanna vom****
gravenimage says
Agreed, Blue Raven.
DFD says
Mickey Oberman says: “….And when…. will you and your fellow Muslims stop lying about the well known contents of your ‘holy’ book, the Koran?”
Never! Unless they apostate.
Sibila says
She can’t KNOW what her book says because she is NOT ALLOWED to examine nor to test those words. Her faith is not an active faith, her god is NOT Living God but an Antichrist that turns every good upside down.
She does contribute to jihad as she works on FIGHTING FOR HIJAB law change in Western countries. She wants it to become a part of all Western constitutions and get guaranteed sacred treatment.
11B40 says
Greetings:
“Does this hijab make my head look fat ???”
Westman says
Perhaps. It definitely makes it appear subdued.
Dean says
The word Islamophobia needs to be persistently attacked by every supporter of western civilization. Phobia means irrational fear but it is no more irrational for this Muslima to fear that some people who stare at her might reasonably wonder if she supports or is an active participant in jihad than it is for me to wonder those things about her. If she chooses to wear the garb of that religion then she must expect understandable responses. What she is trying to suppress are those justifiable responses much like the word Islamophobia is intended to suppress the informed consideration about what there is in their religion that causes or excuses savagery against modern society. Our fears and suspicions are not irrational as Muslims prove time after time.
Wellington says
I’d have to wonder about any non-Muslim adult who wouldn’t look at a Muslim wearing an hijab, a burqa, a skull cap, etc., in a “funny way.” Such a person would be indefensibly ignorant at best, complicit with the iniquity which is Islam at worst. After all, sartorial representations of hateful ideologies should be scorned with regularity. Not doing so is what is indefensible.
And notice again in this Muslima’s statement the self-absorption, the narcissism, the inability at al to grasp how many lives Islam has taken or ruined. It’s ultimately about them. It’s always about them. Well, I’m sick to death of “them.”
mortimer says
Anyone wearing any symbols of supremacist uniforms (Soviet Army, KGB, Maoist, Nazi, KKK, white supremacist, Black Panthers, Sandinista) would be carefully scrutinized and perhaps put under surveillance.
The writer Ida S. Suandi-Al Shara is implying that Islam is not a SUPREMACIST IDEOLOGY.
The basis of her article is no doubt intentionally DECEPTIVE. She is asking us to believe that her wearing the uniform of jihad does not imply that she is a jihad supporter.
Moreover, the Islamic veil is more than the uniform of jihad: it implies support for child marriage, cousin marriage, imposition of discriminatory Sharia law, subjugation of women, subjugation of kafirs, FGM, Islamic apartheid, suppression of art and freedom of expression and generally the removal of human rights and civil liberties of women and non-Muslims.
gravenimage says
It also, most notably, enables Muslim rape of Infidels and anyone else who refuses to wear the slave rag. It explicitly tells Muslims not to molest them–with the obvious implication that they should rape that unveiled ‘whore’ over there instead.
Sam says
OK Muslimas, don’t feel sorry for all those people being butchered all over the world by your cult members and you are sorry that you will be looked upon in a strange way in your black garbage bag in the west.
Islam is a sick cult.
DRHazard says
Muslims have rewritten their own history to paint themselves as perpetual victims, even from the very beginnings of Islam when Muhammad saw enemies everywhere, even among fellow Muslims. Once he had enough manpower he used it to destroy those who he imagined had victimized him. However, the concepts that “the world is against us” and that all non-Muslims are inherently your enemy are repeated throughout the Quran and all Islamic literature. Interwoven is the idea that it’s a good thing if you hasten your enemies eventual path to Hellfire.
So here we have a typical Muslim and her family who, upon hearing of hundreds of innocent people being killed, seem stunned witnessing the words of Muhammad actually being carried out in real life. Nowhere in her sob story is there a single word of sorrow or sympathy for the real victims who are now dead or broken. Just self absorbed thoughts all feeding into her victim identity.
You may have noticed that when a person starts seeing themselves as a victim they will NEVER engage in any introspection or self questioning. They will ALWAYS be more concerned about what “might” happen to them after a Muslim terror atrocity, rather than to the victims of Muslims.
No Fear says
“Islam is a religion of peace and calmness and teaches, like all other religions, to love and respect one another.”
That may or may not be so, but Mohammed’s behaviour was certainly not “peaceful”. Just read the biographies and the Hadith and the Quran.
mortimer says
Ida claimed Islam teaches ‘respect’…Actually, Ida, Islam teaches AL WALAA WAL BARAA…Islamic apartheid. Let’s see if we can find some AUTHORITATIVE facts about Islamic apartheid.
The following definition of AL-WALAA WAL-BARAA is from an Islamic website and EXPLAINED BY A MULLAH. It encourages Moslems to hate the kufaar :
:
“Hatred for the sake of Allah, or Al Mu’adaat, this is the opposite of Al Muwalaat (love of Moslems), it is:
– To Hate
– To keep distance from
– To be enemy to
– To desert
– To decline to help
– To disrespect
– To put down
– Not to ally with
– Not to support
“WE HATE ALL THE KUFAAR FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH.”
Ida, do you see anything in there about love and respect? I don’t either…and you won’t find it, dear. Not in Islam.
Hate is what Islam teaches, not love.
خَليفة says
Call it kafirmisia.
Although not a real word ( yet )
it should be accepted as a word following the Greek example of:
logomisia = logo ( word ) + misia ( hatred of )
Sandra Lee Smith says
Good word: kafirmisia, I think I’ll help spread it about!
mortimer says
OUTED: Muslims can no longer hide their supremacist, misogynistic hate cult. So sad.
Ida S. Suandi-Al Shara loves Sharia law which commands her to hate dirty kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’…but she doesn’t want her ‘friends’ to know that because (guess what?) those so-called ‘friends’ are dirty kafirs and Sharia law commands Ida S. Suandi-Al Shara to HATE, DESPISE, DISASSOCIATE FROM, NOT SUPPORT, NEVER COMPLIMENT, LOOK UPON AS INFERIORS, etc., etc.
I guess she can’t pretend that she believes in equality anymore…like everyone else at work…she has to know everyone understands Ida S. Suandi-Al Shara is a self-hating woman and a THEOCRATIC, FASCIST SUPREMACIST in disguise.
So sorry, Ida, that you’ve been OUTED.
Ciudadano says
The same pattern: jihadist do the dirty work for Islam in order to intimidate, silence and produce fear, and “moderate” muslims do the Islam PR and damage control
Hope says
Good point, Ciudadano. I never really thought of it in that way, and you are right.
gravenimage says
*Very* true, Ciudadano.
Angemon says
Well, are they muslims? If so, they’re a protected class – people who rip pages from the quran get tossed into jail, people who say anything perceived as critical of islam and/or muslims get a visit from law enforcement, muslim can make a luxurious living from welfare while preaching islam, etc.
Yes, it could have happened to you. After all, you only lived a few hours away from the scene until a period of time before it happened. Why, you even went there some times! I mean, you went to the areas where your coreligionists attacked, right – you’re not saying that you went to Paris in general, we’re talking about where the attack took place, right? You went there, or did you not stray far from the muslim areas of Paris – you know, the areas where the attacks DIDN’T happen?
Whoa, one hour and fifteen minutes? That’s like, it could have been you in that airport, even though you had no business being there because you f***ing drove. But still, could have happened to you.
To visit the f***ing muslim quarters. I knew it. I f***ing knew it. You didn’t went there to enjoy the local culture, the local food, or watch the unique scenario and landmarks. No, you f**ing went there to see and eat the same f***ing things you could see and eat in any muslim food joint. I bet even the rats and cockroaches are the same species. And yet, you’re moaning and whining that “it could have been you” or “how close to you it stroke”.
Get one thing straight through the hijab and your thick skull, you f***ing bint: you were never in any danger. You go to other cities and countries and stay in the muslim quarters because they “cater to your needs”? How many Paris and Brussels styled attacks took place in muslim quarters in Europe? Zero. None. No one died as a result of an ISIS spree on muslim quarters because they f***ing don’t go there. You were as safe from ISIS terror attacks as you could be while you were there. You drove there? Big f***ing deal. You could live there, on the “muslim” areas with “halal restaurants” and “shops that cater to your needs” and you’d safe as long as you weren’t eating in non-muslim restaurants or visiting non-muslim stores.
We’re supposed to believe you were devastated? Go eat a dick in a halal store that cater to your needs.
Let me guess: you’re not living in a muslim-majority zone and you can’t wait to go and live in a muslim-majority zone or country. Tell you what: get a kickstarter going. I’m sure you’ll get more than enough to buy first-class tickets to you and your
family in the most expensive flight plan you can find.
Living in an area where there are hardly any muslims? I knew it. I f***ing knew it.
Always the victim, aren’t you? If such abuse has taken place it’s regrettable, it shouldn’t happen, and the perpetrators should be prosecuted. The thing is, there’s a history of false claims of hate crimes against muslims, so I’m sure you’ll understand why I don’t take your words at face value.
And I’m sure that the head teacher has a degree in islamic studies.
Are there muslims among those students? Because you should be more worried that some of the muslim students think that the islamic state is practising real islam and eventually engage in Paris or Brussels style attacks. Which can effectively end up targeting you, since you’re not living in a muslim-majority zone.
gravenimage says
Good post.
dumbledoresarmy says
Angemon – only one quibble – Singapore is not majority-Muslim, it’s majority-Infidel-Chinese. It’s not a Muslim area by any means.
It’s a non-Muslim country.
They could have ended up as part of majority-Muslim rapidly-Islamising Malaysia, but they very sensibly *got out*, years and years ago, and went their own way as an independent and prosperous secular city-state.
The population is around 74 percent Chinese (most of whom are secular or follow Chinese traditional beliefs; there is also a very substantial and usually quite fervent Christian contingent), 13 percent Malay (almost entirely Muslim), 9 percent Indian (some Muslim, some Hindu, some Sikh and some Christian or secular), and 3 ‘other’, including western expats.
The CIA factbook gives the religious stats as follows – 34 percent Buddhist, 11 percent Taoist, 18 percent Christian (7 [percent of Singaporeans identify as Catholics, 11 percent identify as Christians of other traditions including Presbyterian, Anglican, etc; I personally have visited Singapore and attended a wedding of two lovely Chinese Christians whom I had met while they were studying in Australia and attending the same parish church as I was], 14 oercent Muslim (nearly all of Malay extraction but also a few of Indian ethnicity), 5 percent Hindu, and ‘no religion’ 16 percent. Incidentally another sourcebook to which I have access, the Christian handbook “Operation World”, states that the Christians, the HIndus, the Sikhs and the Buddhists all have growth rates that are higher than that of the Muslims!
So Buddhists form the single biggest religious component, followed by the Christians, with the Muslims (mostly of Malay ethnicity; and Singapore keeps a close eye on any conversions to Islam, I understand such conversions have to be registered).
And I hear around the ridges that the Authorities in Singapore keep a very close and beady eye on the Muslims.
Which is the main reason why there have been, as yet (but there’s always a first time) no jihad terror attacks in Infidel-ruled officially-Infidel Singapore.
dumbledoresarmy says
Clarification.
The paragraph reading “So Buddhists form the single biggest religious component, followed by the Christians, with the Muslims (mostly of Malay ethnicity; and Singapore keeps a close eye on any conversions to Islam, I understand such conversions have to be registered)” should read “So Buddhists form the single biggest religious component, followed by the Christians, with the Muslims (mostly of Malay ethnicity; and Singapore keeps a close eye on any conversions to Islam, I understand such conversions have to be registered) coming in third.
Angemon says
I stand corrected, DDA.
R Cole says
Likely persecuted Christians in the Islamic world – would only wish that their biggest complaint was that people looked at them funny.
When you look at how Muslims are treated in the west – as she points out they don’t even have to work in Europe – they can have everything paid for – versus how Christians are treated in places like Pakistan and Egypt – it is like night and day.
Here the western Islamophobia argument falls completely on its face – when you compare the lives of Muslims in the west and Christians in the Islamic world.
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Muslims in the west problems stem from the fact that – whatever they are given can’t compete with their desire for an Islamic state. This agitation takes many forms – from terrorism at the extreme end – to socio-political Islam maneuverings.
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The fact is people went to school with the Belgium bombers – if these were not your Muslim neighbors – just who were these people?
And that she is concerned that some of the students may not have believed the Islamic PC line [the ones who committed the terrorist attacks are not true Muslims] – sounds like something straight out of communism. Now the thought police come out to police ‘hate’. And to be a member of the party you must reject the “hate” [read: truth].
The fact that the state has to be this involved in the Islamic religion – raises many questions.
somehistory says
Many years ago, some robbers were donning halloween masks during the crimes. It hadn’t made much on the news right after the first one or two. Early one morning, one of the bosses put on a mask and came to the office. Unfortunately, he did not know that I had heard the news.
At the sight of the mask looking in through the open window, my heart jumped to my throat as I did not realize it was my employer. I probably looked at him in a *funny way.* He did laugh before he apologized.
This is just open propaganda, PR to make everyone avert the eyes from this *victim,* this *superior* person who belongs to the satanic beast. She is not *afraid.* She is manipulating.
Isn’t there a command in their unholiest of writings that says infidels must *avert the eyes*?
She’s just doing her part to see that the command is obeyed. She can’t *command* or *order* the citizens to avert their eyes, but she can work to *shame* them to do so.
Edgar Allen says
Founder of modern Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew: “I think we were progressing very nicely until the surge of Islam came … I WOULD SAY TODAY, WE CAN INTEGRATE ALL RELIGIONS AND RACES EXCEPT ISLAM.”
http://singapore920.rssing.com/chan-12389522/all_p33.html
The Straits Times on the claim by Lee Kuan Yew, published in his new book Hard Truths to Keep Singapore Going, that Muslim integration in Singapore is failing:
linnte says
Thanks so much for that link. One of my strategies is to point skeptical people on the issue of Islam being intolerant etc is to have them look up someone else’s statements. And this is GOOD for reference.
Lucretius says
No wonder precious snowflake leftists and thin-skinned muslims get on so well. The whole world must be turned into a safe space lest lurking somewhere “there still might be some who think that all Muslims are the same.” And leftists feed on this swill, because, being weak, young, rootless, without real achievement, subconsciously sensing they may be inadequate, it gives them a chance to cheaply satisfy their need for self-esteem, by championing (through shouting-fests, demonstrations, and social media) and burning with indignation on behalf of other losers against the loyal, hardworking, responsible, family-oriented fellow citizens who are their betters.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Look: People with a guilty conscience are always afraid.
Of course this raghead is worried. She knows darn well that islam teaches murder and hatred. She imbibed it with her mother’s milk.
So anytime she, or any muslim savage (I apologize for the redundancy) is around the normal, they’re scared. They’re wondering which of us will call her on it.
Be afraid savages. Be very afraid.
linnte says
Woooohoooo! Very AFRAID! ha!
Champ says
Oh cry me a river! People have been murdered in cold blood by your co-religionists, so how people view you (muslima) is the *least* of my concerns.
Paul says
Well for a start for hajib or hijab or what the phuk it is ,is for sand storms thats it nothing else until the Western World wakes the phuk up,Tells them their know sand storms around here ,They are getting walked over,This is the phuking West Enough of their crap,It all that is ever happen year after year them countries just want to kill each other But want us in their little game,For the future of humanity that will leave travel elswhere into the universe, will say nay nothing wrong where we come from except a bunch of gooses ,Think they getting virgins,How will they do that,It doesnt even makes sense,NUKE THEM ITS OVER, IT HAS TO BE DONE,WHY SHOULD WE CHNGE WESTERN WORLD PAY FOR THEM, TO DO NOTHING,WHILST WE LIVE IN SOCIETY CASUALLY,ENOUGH OF THE SHITE,ITS TIME TO GO,RID THEM OF WESTERN WORLD
gloria mcmillian says
Muslims are disgusting. Self centered, narcissi and evil. There is no such thing as a good muslim only those that will watch while others behead you.
gravenimage says
UK: Hijabbed Muslima worries that “people will start to look at me in a funny way”
Late last year, just a month after our move from Eindhoven in the Netherlands to London, the city of Paris was shaken by a number of explosions that claimed hundreds of lives.
What we saw on the news then just numbed us.
My family and I just sat down for a moment and watched the television without uttering a word.
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Certainly, they did not–and are still not–saying a word in sympathy to the victims of their violent coreligionists.
More:
We were shocked by what was shown on the news and immediately felt scared…
When these tragedies, so close to where we have been, happened, I always ask myself if I or we can live safely here.
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Are they afraid of falling victim to a Jihad terror attack themselves? Of course not–that would just send them to “paradise”. What they are really scared of is “funny looks” from the ‘filthy Infidels’.
More:
Also, we now live in an area where there are hardly any Muslims and I know each time something big like the bombings happen somewhere, people will start to look at me in a funny way.
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Notice that she is perfectly sanguine over the specter of more homicidal Jihad terror attacks–except for it ‘making Islam look bad’, of course.
More:
Although not much has been reported, when incidents of violence such as the Belgium bombings happen, hate crime or hate against Muslims will also be on the rise.
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Never mind that such “hate crimes” are things like Infidels looking at Muslims funny…
She is even angry at her children’s obviously dhimmi teacher for daring to mention Jihad terror at all. And why not? Clearly, she thinks the real problem is that Infidels are hearing about JIhad terror at all.
Under Shari’ah, the victims would not be allowed to report openly on such terror at all–there would be no more than frightened rumors.
Charli Main says
Instead of sitting silently in front of the TV, why doesn’t this peace loving muslima dash out into the streets and join the throng of all the other peace loving muslims demonstrating against the vile Jihadists that are bringing shame on Islam ?????
Oh, wait, people might look at me funny !!!!!!!
abad says
Once again.
The ONLY reason Muslims take this bizarre, paranoiac view is due to the lack of the individual in Islam – and the collective is everything.
Once again.
There is NO such thing as an individual in Islam.
Never has been, never will be.
linnte says
They are Borg. But I’ll be damned if I will be assimilated! I wonder if Gene Roddenberry was thinking about Islam when he created the Borg?
kim says
Good point. They are just like Borg. And they too need to be destroyed.
Charli Main says
Would that would make mohammed the Borg ” queer” ?????
gravenimage says
Yes–and Muslims are always telling us not to defend against Jihad, that “Resistance is Futile”.
Mike says
She should probably be more worried about being a victim of an *Islamic* terror attack.
She’s more likely to get hurt that way, really.
mortimer says
Ida S Suandi – Al Shara said: “in the Quran, we are reminded as many as 90 times to be patient”
Yes, Ida, but those verses about patience were all abrogated by the ‘verse of the sword’ (K.9.5).
Jihad terrorism is incumbent on all Muslims now…including Ida S. Suandi – Al Shara.
Sorry, you lose your argument. Abrogation wins.
Charli Main says
“in the Quran, we are reminded as many as 90 times to be patient”
I would suggest that this exhortation applies only in dealing with other Muslims and does not include Kaffir apes, pigs and Jews.
More Muslim bullshit———-
gravenimage says
Actually, Charli, most of the references to “patience” in the Qur’an have nothing to do with Muslims being patient with other people–not even with other Muslims.
Here are the Suras citing patience:
http://quran.com/search?q=patient
Most of them just have to do with being patient awaiting the rewards from “Allah”.
There is nothing in the Qur’an like the Bible’s 1 Corinthians 13:4-8:
“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
mortimer says
Hello again, Ida.
What part do the 164 jihad verses in the Koran have in your life?
Marty says
Islam is openly the enemy of Western Civilisation, indeed of most forms of civilisation.
Mohammedan attire is not compulsory & has nothing to do with”faith” (how I hate that
weasel word).
It is a political uniform & as such illegal in the UK.
Try wearing a KKK uniform, which is very like a mohammedan one in reverse.
I’m glad these wretched unwanted immigrants dress in enemy uniforms, it means
we can avoid them in public & not patronise their businesses.
Dacritic says
Islam has this funny habit of turning things on its head, and they do it almost at every corner. While other non Muslim Londoners are worried that Muslims might detonate a bomb somewhere and blow them to smithereens, these people are publishing stories and photos about being “looked at differently” and worrying about it. The predator, having eaten the prey, suddenly said the prey was “looking at it differently” and it is now afraid to live in the same confines as the prey.
I guess that is how Satan works.
dajjal says
Ok, Sharmuta, lets start with the overt stuff: hijab. You have a safe, secure, private place to defecate, so why do you need it. Hijab is not pious or modest, its bout open defecation in the desert and Umar hassling Sauda, wife of the Profit, while she was taking a dump in the desert. Perhaps, if you read Koran & Bukhari you’d know about it.
This will help: https://youtu.be/PpVc8p2taoY
Religion of peace, is it? Love & respect, right? Peace is only after you conquer the whole world and love, respect & mercy are only for Muslims. Open your Koran to 8.57, 9.73, 9.123 & 48.29. See also Sahih Bukhari 1.8.387 ‘cuz our blood and treasure are not sacred to Muslims.
Peace in a pig’s ass!!!!!!! Let the Unholy Koran bring you back to reality about Jihad & terrorism: 3:151, 8:12,39,57,60,65,67, 9:5,29,38, 39,111,120,123, 33:26,27, 47:4,49:15, 59:2,13, 61:10-13; Sahih Bukhari 1.7.331 & 4.52.220.
I know you are a liar ‘cuz I read “Reliance Of The Traveller” O9.0…9.14, that is Islamic law. Hedaya 2.140…216 confirms it and adds some detail. “Infidels may be attacked without provocation.”.
Flee at once, all is known.
hammar says
islam is nothing more than the ‘walking dead among us’. mohammed was no prophet but a killer
and pillager in his time. He wanted to be a prophet but only God allows that.
Jesus Christ is Savior, no other can claim that Title. islam is a hoax and these people are
sick and very scary. So beware and watch ‘London burning’ is coming to life.
John the Baptist is the last prophet of the Bible. No other…no mention of anyone else. So mohammed was smoking too much camel dong back in his day. He married a six year old girl folks. The man was
a pervert and nothing more.
Raja says
If the UK hijabbed Muslima say that are worried that people will start to look at me in a funny way it is a gross understatement or euphemism to hide the truth.
The fact of the matter is my thought runs this way.(when I see a hijabbed Muslima). You belong to religion/system that belongs to one coming from the bottomless pit, the devil. Aren’t you ashamed of belonging to Islam that is evil to the core?
Sibila says
She can’t even say ‘the Muslim extremists’ (who commit all those atrocities in Europe). She won’t admit even to herself. She refuses to articulate it!!
Instead, couple of times she uses the expression “the so-called extremist Muslims”.
After all, maybe “these so-called extremists Muslims” are not Muslims, maybe they are ‘who-knows-whos’.
What does she want?
Headscarf laws change!
Watch in the near future for set-up insinuations of headscarves abuses by “looking in a funny way at them”, and then following demands for Western laws change.
Susan says
You are damn right I would look at her “funny”! I am a proud “islamophope” and make no excuses for it.
Muslims have brought nothing but horror and hate into our world. I would just as well spit in her face as anything else. Your victim card has expired IDA!
Sibila says
I feel sorry for them, that’s all. They are the servants of the Death . I don’t think about them as worthy of anything, not even of my spitefulness. I would rather save my spittle for Westerners responsible, especially for those who are parted from the Reason and from the Common Good called Living God, and who let themselves to be deceived by that earthly plague called Islam.
I feel sorry for them. It’s always been so sad to look at any hijab, and at any islamic clothing, female and male – which means both regime uniform and killing of their genuine original cultures dressing. Islam had killed all those original cultures: Ethiopian, Somali, Egyptian, Persian, Iraqi etc etc etc etc etc
All of them wear jeans in their bedrooms – and hijab on the street. Their culture folk is long unknown. They are already dead. To me, they are something like a nightmare, like walking vampires from the past.
They are lost losers, they are slaves of the Dark and the worshipers of the prince of Lies – Lucifer, the great deceiver. They or don’t want to know anything about their so called prophet, or they know and they emulate him in all his bloodthirsty piggery dogs and primitive doings .. the end result for those willingly blind as well as for those bearded apes is the same: Hell 🙁
What a waste of Life.
GetRealFolks says
The Hijab is a commitment to Sharia. It represents submission to Sharia. If also “says” that anyone who is not of the Islamic faith is inferior and that the wearer believes in gender apartheid, misogyny, the right to underage sex, and killing of all non-believers, to quote just a few beliefs. As defined by Islamic ideology. It also says you are not to be “molested” (33:59) as your brothers carry out Islamic Jihad. So if you are wearing the hijab and people are looking **funny** at you, it’s because you are demonstrating that you believe in these outrages against all humanity – and are “saying” all of this to the world. “Don’t confuse my personality with my attitude. My personality is who I am. My attitude is who you are!” If you are saying I am inferior (truly racist btw) and that you mark me and my daughters out for rape and killing, then don’t expect ANY empathy from me! Ain’t that the truth!
steve says
The Muslim bitch may snivel, but her spawn might blow you to hell one day.
Troybeam says
Always the victim so says Muslims on clothing etc. Yet Muslims think they are superior therefore they deserve entitlement and acceptance without question. Too bad they have used their clothing to hide bombs, guns and knives to harm others. Without question every nation on earth except Islamic nations should change their thoughts of Islam as a religion and declare it to what it is …a theocracy and remove it from their nation with laws that state Islam will not live here.
Expat88 says
As a Western woman living in the Middle East for many years, I was stared at every day. I never whined about it. It was just a fact of life there because I didn’t look like them. I find the comments of this “snowflake” (overly sensitive) woman to be absurd. If she wants to fit in, she should either uncover where she is now living or move to a Muslim country where she can cover and not be stared at.
She sounds Occidentalphobic to me, in thinking that she isn’t safe. That is obvious projection on her part, imagining that non-Muslims would want to do her harm.
I remember reading a news story once about a Middle Eastern woman who was living in America and how upset she was that other women were staring at her elderly mother in a shopping mall restroom. The mother had decided to do ablutions in the restroom before praying and was washing her feet in the sink in the restroom. So the woman telling the story was incensed that these dirty kaffir women were staring at her mother. In the story she never said that the American women said or did anything against her mother, but she was outraged that she imagined that they would possibly have any negative thoughts against her mother when seeing this odd behavior.
It reminded me of this story, because, once again, if you want to fit in, then dress and act like the host country and you won’t be subjected to the horror of having someone look funny at you. Otherwise, buck up and stop whining!
Sibila says
They have to be told that. Nicely and clearly! So they don’t believe those who told them (and who keep telling them) that the whole world is islamic allah’s and that everybody in the world is born muslim ‘but they don’t know that yet’.
vlparker says
Well gee, lady, since you belong to a religion whose prophet was a mass murderer, child rapist, beheader, torturer and sex slave trader just how do you expect people to look at you???
mortimer says
She expects that dirty kafirs will not be aware of all the 7th century barbarisms that she (Ida) supports secretly without saying so openly and which she may even deny supporting.
I have found the best way to get a Muslim talking about the justification of jihad is to bring the subject to Israel, Jews, and America’s role in the Middle East. At this point, a normally placid Muslim will reveal his inner jihadist tiger.
bernad says
the writer seems to be in complete denial that absolutely 0 attacks, verbal physical or visual has ever happened to any muslim anywhere in the world since the immigration of muslims to western countries. so please tell me mr robert spencer do you endorse hate attacks on normal everyday muslims? the ones who are attacked what should they do? are they expected to just simply put up with it and carry on with it without reporting it? im not endorsing any of the crimes islamic terrorists have commited. im just trying to make a point. i know from first hand experience that shit like this does happen. but here you are completely denying it and using the deaths of victims in terrorists attack to shame these people.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
It is natural for Moslems to blame Infidels for their Moslemness. The hijabs are a violation of feminism in the worst way, but that is ignored amazingly for the wrongness of Infidels looking at them funny for fear of possibly being murdered by them. Funny thing is, if the Infidels know what the Qur’an and hadiths command, they’d look at them even funnier. But it’d be a worse violation of the new public ethos to bring up these facts, publicly, at least. So it’s all left to funny looks.
mortimer says
APF wrote: “Moslems …blame Infidels for their Moslemness”
You are referring to psychological ‘projection’…the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant, immature or neurotic impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others.
We see this whenever JW quotes the sermons of Islamic hate preachers. They refer to the kafirs, attacks against Muslims…raping, plundering, etc., when such atrocities are sacralised in the Koran.
David says
Muslims have been told, but refuse to accept that their religion is nothing but SATAN WORSHIPPING. The muslim star is the ancient sign of Lucifer. The cresent moon is the sign of ancient paganism. The worship of created things not the creator himself.
Anyone who has read a single book on religious history knows this. Who would want to follow an insane pedofile like Mo was???
They have to pull their heads out and breath the fresh air for a change.
mortimer says
The crescent moon may also be the ‘bow’ of the Arabian war god Qos (also called Hubal) and the star may be that of Venus or Allat, the Arabian goddess of love and fertility.
The Kaaba represents the womb of Allat from which the crescent moon emerges every month, thus making it a fertility symbol. Pre-Islamic women touched the Black Stone in connection with a monthly purification ritual.
f c king says
All the sex starved muslim boys that wish to plunder, pillage , rape ( boys and girls) , take slaves, and loaf, while the infidels that are allowed to live do all the menial labor for them.
Ashley says
Sorry. I couldn’t resist.
http://www.whateverimages.com/i/i-spent-half-an-hour-trying-to-talk-with-them-wanting-to-learn-about-their-culture-real-funny.html
gravenimage says
Now *that* is hilarious.
This one is even grimmer:
http://images20.fotki.com/v1632/photos/5/1222605/7482072/burka_muell_igfm1024x723-vi.jpg
Cecilia Ellis says
Graven, I made the mistake of having a full cup of coffee in my hand when I clicked on the link you provided . . .
gravenimage says
Oops–sorry, Cecilia!
Cecilia Ellis says
Graven . . . Believe me, it was worth it! You made my day! Thanks much.
Mirren10 says
Ashley, that’s an absolute *yell* ! 🙂
Champ says
ahaha!! …good one, Ashley, at first I got punk’d, too 😀
f c king says
This lady is a supremacist, manure heap. She speaks of 90 verses in the koran that preach peace and patience, yet she fails to mention there are 164 verses that call for jihad. She speaks of racist behavior against muslims, but islam is not a race. It is a supremacist political movement with very violent religious rules.
If she is so scared people will look at in funny way, perhaps she should move to an islamic republic, where she won’t have to worry about this, or about reference to “extremist muslims ” killing ifidels ? It’s very legal in any muslim country to kill and abuse all the infidels you wish, and if any teacher were to say anything bad about this extremism, the mob can rob and kill them for blasphemy, and also loot their homes.
Itinerant says
“Which part of this is the teaching of Islam I wonder.”
Cognitive dissonance in action.
This woman has obviously never read her own religion’s scripture or has but is willfully blind to the violent and intolerant exhortations within it (pretty difficult as it’s crammed full of them)
I have no problem with Muslims cherry picking the peaceful components of Islam and living by them, while ignoring the violent exhortations and calls to jihad against the unbeliever.
The problem with that though is not only are the peaceful verses abrogated by the verses of the sword but Muslims are compelled by the Koran to follow the example of a violent, intolerant warlord- their perfect man.
That’s before we even get to the fact innovation is forbidden in Islam and this women would be considered heretical by many Muslims for ignoring large chunks of scripture.
A reformation is needed but is probably impossible- it would need change so much it wouldn’t be Islam anymore and would have to cast off the example of Mohammed- does anyone really see that happening?
It’s amazing how many Muslims don’t seem to know what their religion actually says in its scripture- then again she could just be lying but I don’t think so- she’s just deluded.
I feel sorry for any person of conscience born into a religion that proscribes death for anyone leaving it and feels the need to defend it.
dajjal says
How do you improve on perfection? How do you change what can not be changed~Allah’s word?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/252004497/Reform-Reform-Islam-Islam
Only 17% of Muslims and 13% of Muslimas have read the Koran in their native tongue.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Yes, well, that seems to be true of Christians and the Bible as well, these days! Ignorance of what your belief system teaches, however, like ignorance of the law, is not a viable excuse! In this day and age of information, it’s absurd!
dajjal says
Only 17% of Muslims have read and understood the Koran. Anyone who converts to Islam without first reading the Koran and Bukhari is a damned fool.
Christianity had a reformation; Islam has renovations. Wahhabbism is a prime example.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Well, yes, and Wahabbism gave rise to the Muslim Brotherhood. I don’t see Lutherans or Calvinists running around beheading infidels or stoning women for being raped, etc.
Gene says
She’s right when I see a woman in a burka or hijab I do look at them in a funny way. When I see a burka clad woman in a Muslim country, I see a slave. When I see a burka clad woman in the West, I see a fool, or someone who is too terrified of Islam to think for herself.
davej says
So after over 28,000 savage attacks and thousands of dead she is afraid that someone might look at her funny while she is wearing the uniform of the perpetrators?
Oh the backlash!
Everything she said is pure deceit and lies. The arrogance, conceit and feigned victim-hood of these people is beyond belief, literally.
KCSanDiego says
I’m going to take a lot of incoming for this, but here goes…
I am a long time reader of Jihad Watch and greatly admire Robert Spencer and the work that he does. I used to think exactly like most of you on this thread, although I’d probably not go as far with the colorful language and ad hominins. Here are some selected thoughts just from this thread:
“Manure heap”, “bitch”, “raghead”, “scared pussy”, “wish she had a death wish that came true”, she should just “pack up and GTFO of here”, hijab “makes her look like an ingrown toenail”, “She is a is a self-hating woman and a THEOCRATIC, FASCIST SUPREMACIST in disguise”, “NUKE THEM”, “Muslims are disgusting, self-centered, narcissistic and evil”, “There is no such thing as a good Muslim”, “I know you are a liar ‘cuz I read “Reliance Of The Traveller” O9.0…9.14”, “I would just as well spit in her face as anything else”, “HOW I HATE THEM!”
Has it ever occurred to any of you that she may actually think that Islam is a religion of peace? Before a few weeks ago, I would have said no. But then I read Nabeel Qureshi’s recent book “Answering Jihad: A Better Way Forward”. Nabeel is a Christian apologist working with the well-respected Ravi Zacharias International Ministries. He converted from Islam in 2005 after extensive “discussion” with David Wood, another name that should be familiar to most readers here (remember the Arab International Festival in Dearborn?) Well, before his conversion, he thought that Islam was a religion of peace. Why? Because he swallowed the teaching of his local imam instead of investigating the core teachings of his religion (Quran, Hadith and Sunnah). Only when confronted was he faced with three possibilities: apathy, apostasy, or radicalization. He eventually chose apostasy and became a Christian.
While many Muslims from several organizations (CAIR, ISNA, MSA, etc.) actively engage in Taqiyya, it would be wrong to group all together. And regardless of whether Ida S. Suandi-Al Shara is engaging in taquiyya or is simply self-deceived and ignorant of the core beliefs of her religion, I do not think there is any justification for placing her in a sub-human category, which only fosters hatred, loathing and animosity.
So, fire away!
gravenimage says
KCSanDiego wrote:
I’m going to take a lot of incoming for this, but here goes…
…I used to think exactly like most of you on this thread…
Has it ever occurred to any of you that she may actually think that Islam is a religion of peace?
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KCSanDiego, Ida S. Suandi-Al Shara specifically cites the terror attacks in Paris and Brussels.
She does not even express a passing sympathy for the victims. Her only concern is that someone might “look at [her] in a funny way”.
She vaguely says,
“Is this what Islam is all about?
Certainly not.”
If she *really* believed that Islam was a religion of peace, she would take it up with her violent coreligionists. Instead, she spews this Taqiyya and false Muslim victim-mongering at the Infidel victims of Islam.
And if you believe that my measured reply to you is ‘taking a lot of incoming’, then I fear you may possibly have some victim-mongering issues of your own.
KCSanDiego says
How can you be so sure that she is lying to protect herself and Islam? She has denounced violence, which, by the way, is more than a large percent of her co-religionists have done. Yet you are quick to judge her because she somehow isn’t directly “taking it up with her violent co-religionists”. How exactly is she (or you, for that matter) supposed to do that?
So, she may be committing Taqiyya, but from the tone of the article, I doubt it. Alternatively, at some point she may accumulate enough cognitive dissonance to force her to decide between apathy, apostasy or radicalization. I hope that when/if that happens she is in the company of a loving non-judgmental person who can lead her into truth.
As for having my own victim-mongering issues, you are so way off as to be laughable.
linnte says
KC, there are appx 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Each and every one of these folks live their life via the example of Muhammad. The Qur’an is a “perfect book” that was in the beginning with Allah. No Muslim can criticize, correct, leave out, alter, change, remove or mistranslate any of the Qur’an, or they are considered apostate by their friends, family, community and their Mosque. Apostacy is punishable by death. Period. Did you hear about the Muslim man in Scotland who wished his beloved Christians a Happy Easter? They murdered him in about five hours after that Facebook post! Look it up. It was recent.
This woman, no matter HOW she is feeling, and she is probably feeling a lot of FEAR, cannot say WHY she is really truthfully in fear. She can’t say “I know the Qur’an teaches that murder of Kuffir is OK and that’s why people will look at me funny”. First off, her husband will chastise her, but she will fear for her life at the hands of her own people by pointing out verses in the Qur’an that present day Muslims do NOT want brought to non believers attention. There is only one way for her to communicate her feelings. And you read it in the article. So, therefore, she inadvertently has to lie. It’s very simple.
Read the Qur’an. Then you will know.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Oh KC? Did you ask a question? ‘As for taking it up with her violent co-religionists, how is she to do that?’.
I’ll tell you how she does that KC. She opens her mouth, and she TALKS.
She speaks up for the murdered. She condemns the endless blood and gore that is islam. She RISKS something KC. She STANDS UP.
And as for the ‘selected thoughts from this thread’ which you list with such holier-than-thou indignation? You’d better believe they’re what they are! And no apology for them, either KC! They’re the worst words we can think up but they’re still woefully inadequate because-and even you, refined you, must have noticed this-there literally ARE no words hideous enough to describe islam and all things muslim.
Are you an AMERICAN KC? I’m a New Yorker. How long did it take us, after 9/11, to start calling islam-and muslims-what they are? 5 yrs.? 10? 15? Yes, it took all that time. Because we Americans waited…and waited…and waited for ‘the vast majority of peace-loving muslims’ to grow a pair, jab their finger in their ‘co-religionists’ chests, and say, ‘Cut the crap! WE’RE the problem. Because we do-and say-NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!’
And we heard…NOTHING. No, wait. We heard WORSE THAN NOTHING. We heard ourselves, our country, our faith, our culture, our 1st Amendment TRASHED by these lying pieces of offal.
And we got really, really sick of that KC. We got nauseous-vomiting-explosive-diarrhea-pouring-sweat-dripping-blood SICK of that.
Now it’s astonishing that you bring up Qareshi. And David Wood. Because KC: Qareshi MODELS what this selfish piece of garbage should do. Qareshi RISKS HIS LIFE, at regular intervals KC. He preaches the Gospel in Dearborn, yes? Where the whole godforsaken town is run by HAMAS? For his pains, he is reviled, jailed, threatened, maligned and attacked. As is Wood, and all the others you list, whom you state you admire. Since you admire them so much KC-why does this sniveling muslim MONSTER of selfishness, get a pass from you? Why?
So do me, and us all, a favor KC; will you? Go express your curled-lip contempt for your fellow Americans on the CAIR website. Or the MSA’s. Or the thousand other lying sickening woman-beating-child-raping-Jew-hating-taqqiya-spouting-infidel-torturing websites where you’ll be the most welcome of additions. There you’ll get the congratulations you seek for your high-minded distaste for us all. They’ll fall all over you. Until, of course, the day they kill you. Because tho’ you imagine yourself so very far above the rest of us KC? To muslims, Honey, you’re just another kaffir infidel they can’t wait to torture to death.
linnte says
HOLY SCHAMOLES Kathy! Am I glad you are on my side! I think I love you! (Sisterly love that is) hahahahahahaha!
KCSanDiego says
I’ve read the Qur’an. Well some of it — it was really quite boring. I’m familiar with most of the violent parts and am a veteran to Islamic studies. I regularly read Jihad Watch along with a number of other anti-jihad web sites. I will gladly stipulate to the entirety of your first paragraph, aside from your second sentence (see below).
That said, I allow a difference between what a religion teaches and how it’s adherents practice it. You said “Each and every one of these folks live their life via the example of Mohammad.” That statement is categorically and demonstrably false. Otherwise, there would be 1.6 billion jihadists in the world, rather than *only* about 1-5%, which is a tragically and frighteningly large number.
You assert that “she inadvertently has to lie”. I’ll counter by asserting that she could be lying, but then again, she may also be self-deceived and living in cognitive dissonance.
linnte says
KC, each and every Muslim is in some “stage” of some form of Jihad every day. With the taxes they pay to their Mosque, they support Jihad. If I put money in the collection plate, and it goes to support terrorism, I am a terrorist. Period. You think they DON’T know this is happening? Ooey!
Sandra Lee Smith says
They ARE all Jihadis; some by violence, some by stealth, some merely by financial and/or moral support of the others, but they are all required, by their Quran to be involved in the Jihad. How they treat even their fellow Muslims, in their home countries is abominable. And there is NOTHING stopping them, aside from fear, from leaving that belief system. I have a dear friend who did so years ago, because he allowed himself to see the truth of what that system really is!
KCSanDiego says
Hi Kathy Brown, Esq. – Now that’s what I call incoming!
So you value Nabeel Qureshi, David Wood and others who, as Christians, would respond to Muslims with courage, truth and love in lieu of contempt and hatred? Great, so would I! I well realize that there are those who are out to kill us, who see us as dirty kafir, sub-human, or, as Robert would oft quote “The vilest of beings”. But it does us no good to categorize 1.6 billion people, made in God’s image, as “lying pieces of offal.” Surely you can see this. There is a place for the pain and anger you and I feel, but it should be directed at the hideous and evil world view, not at a deceived adherent born into the religion/culture.
Perhaps it would be helpful if you knew some practicing peaceful Muslims. Nabeel’s mother still dons the burka. His father served in the U.S. Navy and retired as a lieutenant commander. Both love their country. Sadly, both are deceived. But both are the targets of God’s rich love.
KCSanDiego says
Hi linnet
I assume that you make some form of compulsory payments – taxes, union dues, etc. Using your logic, you are complicit in every evil deed that your government or union did. Every bit of corruption, torture, coercion, abuse of power, etc. We’ll just call you a war criminal and be done with it.
KCSanDiego says
Sorry linnte, my spelling corrector really wants to call you ‘linnet’, which is a kind of small European finch with a fondness for hemp. Go figure.
Sandra Lee Smith says
For 1 reason, that can be known because that’s what the Quran teaches them to do!
gravenimage says
KCSanDiego wrote:
How can you be so sure that she is lying to protect herself and Islam?
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As I noted, if she *really* believes that Islam is peaceful, then she should take it up with her own fellow Muslims, who are (supposedly) misunderstanding their faith.
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She has denounced violence, which, by the way, is more than a large percent of her co-religionists have done.
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Not really. She vaguely referred to these Jihad terror attacks as “tragedies”, but the only negative thing she mentions about them is that they are (supposedly) fueling “Islamophobia”.
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Yet you are quick to judge her because she somehow isn’t directly “taking it up with her violent co-religionists”. How exactly is she (or you, for that matter) supposed to do that?
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It is not difficult. She goes after supposed “Islamophobes”, yet fails to address anything to her fellow Muslims who are waging violent Jihad against us.
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So, she may be committing Taqiyya, but from the tone of the article, I doubt it. Alternatively, at some point she may accumulate enough cognitive dissonance to force her to decide between apathy, apostasy or radicalization. I hope that when/if that happens she is in the company of a loving non-judgmental person who can lead her into truth.
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Ah–the usual. The only reason Muslims are forced to embrace violent Jihad is because the Infidels are so mean that Muslims cannot turn to us.
If only we stopped making Muslims feel bad by condemning violent Jihad, Muslims would not have to keep on murdering us…sarc/off
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As for having my own victim-mongering issues, you are so way off as to be laughable.
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I suppose I’ll have to take your word on that one…
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That said, I allow a difference between what a religion teaches and how it’s (sic) adherents practice it…
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Yes–some Muslims are lax. But all too many follow the texts and tenets of their creed, and we have the mounting body count world-wide to prove it.
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Hi Kathy Brown, Esq. – Now that’s what I call incoming!
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Good grief…you have a problem with someone who actually opposes violent Jihad, and consider this “incoming”?
She is, in fact, not being violent toward you at all.
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So you value Nabeel Qureshi, David Wood and others who, as Christians, would respond to Muslims with courage, truth and love in lieu of contempt and hatred? Great, so would I!
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David Wood also does not mince words when he condemns Jihad. The idea that he does not have hatred and contempt for Jihad would seem pretty questionable to anyone who has watched his scathing take downs of Jihad terrorists.
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I well realize that there are those who are out to kill us, who see us as dirty kafir, sub-human, or, as Robert would oft quote “The vilest of beings”. But it does us no good to categorize 1.6 billion people, made in God’s image, as “lying pieces of offal.” Surely you can see this. There is a place for the pain and anger you and I feel, but it should be directed at the hideous and evil world view, not at a deceived adherent born into the religion/culture.
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Anyone who knowingly follows this creed is part of the problem–as are those who whitewash it. The idea that Muslims are so childish that they should not be held responsible for their own vile beliefs is part of the ‘soft bigotry of low expectations’.
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Perhaps it would be helpful if you knew some practicing peaceful Muslims…
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Kathy, you filthy Infidel! How dare you think Islam is a problem! sarc/off
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Hi linnet (sic)
I assume that you make some form of compulsory payments – taxes, union dues, etc. Using your logic, you are complicit in every evil deed that your government or union did. Every bit of corruption, torture, coercion, abuse of power, etc. We’ll just call you a war criminal and be done with it.
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The idea that any Muslim in the West is forced to pay Zakat is utterly false–the free West does not demand Zakat payments.
The fact is that Muslims–including those in the West–regularly fund violent Jihad against us. The idea that this is no different from sending in a check to the IRS is simply ludicrous.
linnte says
Thank you for articulating my comment on the tax/Jihad donation issue. So glad you wiser floks are around to clarify we stammerers! 🙂 Much appreciated.
Mirren10 says
graven and Kathy; brilliant responses to the meretricious and mendacious KCSanDiego.
by the way, graven, I have a feeling ‘KCSanDiego’ is none other than the ‘stardusty psyche’ of old. We have the same moral equivalencing nonsense, the same bigotry of low expectations, and the same condescending sneering towards Jihad Watch posters.
gravenimage says
I think you are probably right, Mirren–thanks. Certainly, he strikes the same ugly tone.
dajjal says
Incoming! You quoted me: “I know you are a liar ‘cuz I read “Reliance Of The Traveller” O9.0…9.14”, “. She wrote that Islam is a religion of peace. 270*10^6 victims over the span of 1406 years testify otherwise.
Reliance, the handbook of Shafi’i fiqh, covers in the cited section the Islamic laws related to Jihad and the requirement of performing it at least once in every year. It defines Jihad as “war against non-Muslims” and and makes it a duty of the caliph to wage war on people with scriptural religions until they are subjugated & extorted and all others until they are Muslim.
That feces oozes from the Qur’an and Bukhari’s books of Jihad, Khumus & Expedition. “Commanded to fight until”, derived from “fight them until” and “fight those who… until” is the polar opposite of peaceful.
If she read the Qur’an, she knows that and is a liar. If she did not read it, she blessed well should read it to find proof that what I wrote is factually false.
Her attitude, which is clearly evident in her essay, reeks of AssWholliness: smug, smarmy supremacism & triumphalism wrapped in self-righteousness.
We vent our outrage & frustration here. We are assailed by the ultimate evil, and it is winning. Blood boils and piss pressure reaches the overflow gates. I do not play well with liars, to put it bluntly. On my blog, you will see pictures of Obamination and others with turds popping out of their lie holes.
Hate the sin and love the sinner, fine. But the slaves of Satan come from an honor/shame culture. It is necessary to poleaxe them with the fatal facts of Islam, to make them ashamed to be associated with Allah & Moe ‘cuz they are evil.
Fat chance the Muslima who wrote that spew will read my comment, bu just in case, I included the url of a video that illustrates and documents the Islamic oral tradition which led to the ‘revelation’ of the verse of hijab. it is there so that compatriots can see it, save it and plant it in places where Muslimas will see it and be ashamed of their false pride. For the same reason, I blogged “Innocence Of Muslims”, and documented it point by point.
My post about Reliance, cited earlier, brings in more readers than anything except back links from Citizen Warrior’s “Terrifying Brilliance Of Islam” and “Koran Toilet Paper”..
KCSanDiego says
Hi dajjal!
I applaud your reading “Reliance Of The Traveler”! The problem is, you have no clue as to whether Ida has read it or whether she believes it at all if she did. You may reference suras commanding what a Muslim should or should not do, or that a Muslim can’t pick or choose non-abrogated suras, or can’t even have an alternate opinion when the meaning is clear, etc., but she may not believe any of that either. She could be the product of her local imam’s teaching, who very selectively quotes and teaches from the Quran and Hadith as to create a “re-imaged” Islam. Not to mention the traditions that have accumulated over the centuries. At least that is what her violent co-religionists would say. They would declare her a hypocrite through takfir and mark her for death like any of us dirty kafir. 😉
Let me draw a parallel from Christendom. Consider the example of a Roman Catholic in-name-only versus a staunch sola scriptura Protestant. For all intents and purposes, the beliefs and behaviors of the two individuals would bear little similarity to each other, yet the faiths of both are ostensibly based on the same book (in the Catholic’s case, there’s the addition of two millennia of accumulated tradition, but I digress). Would the Catholic be interested in the Protestant’s beliefs? Would the Catholic be compelled to defend her faith after some Protestant misbehavior? Would the Catholic even call the Protestant a co-religionist?
Back in the 16th century, Luther ushered in the Reformation, which forced Christians to re-examine their foundational texts, traditions and core beliefs. A big part of this was the accessibility of the Scriptures in the local vernacular. Since the New Testament espouses love, grace and compassion, the result of the Reformation was reflected by more loving and compassionate Christians (some may debate this, but that is for another discussion). Islam is undergoing its own reformation as the foundational texts of Islam become available in the local vernacular. One result will be radicalized jihadists, since the core beliefs of Islam are violent. The other two possibilities, as stated in my first post, are apathy and apostasy. As a Christian, I would gladly welcome an apostate Muslim into the Christian fold. If that weren’t possible, the next best choice would be for the Muslim to choose apathy.
dajjal says
Only those who have not been deracinated and demoralized will apostatize, and only after becoming ashamed of Allah & Moe. A few have told me that reading Bukhari and learning the truth about Aisha & Safiyya did it for them.
Even in Dar ul-Harb, apostasy risks death. Those in Dar ul-Islam are at great peril. Mass apostasy is required so that the Believers will not be able to kill all the apostates.
Don’t get me wrong; I read Books O, M & N and searched Reliance widely for details. 1251 pages of crap is a bit much. But for the illiterate masses of the Ummah, it is too much.
Three screen plays based on the sira sit on shelves for lack of courage and money. Someone must get at least one of them produced, dubbed and distributed. That could get the ball rolling.
Local churches instead of Halloween Hell Houses, could stage a series of short plays based on the hadith about Aisha & Safiya. The old fashioned passion plays could be brought back, too. David Wood and his Acts 19 crew could tape them for widespread distribution.
KCSanDiego says
Hi dajjal,
I like your thinking! I would add that if churches made use of Islamic apologetics courses locally or over the Internet (eg. Ravi Zacharias International Ministries, Acts 17 Apologetics/Answering Muslims), we’d be equipped with the tools we need to persuade nominal Muslims away from radicalization. For Muslim majority countries, I think that radio/internet evangelism and stealth missionary work are our best options. I have heard of several cases where God used dreams to powerfully convince a Muslim to apostatize, usually at great cost to themselves. That doesn’t happen much in the West, perhaps because the cost is lower.
dajjal says
Increased exposure to the reality of Islamic doctrine and the Gospel may combine to increase the incidence of epiphany.
I view covert personal mission in Dar ul-Islam as excessive risk. Broadcast missions like that of Father Zakaria should be encouraged and given financial assistance by western governments.
gravenimage says
More claptrap from KCSanDiego:
Let me draw a parallel from Christendom. Consider the example of a Roman Catholic in-name-only versus a staunch sola scriptura Protestant. For all intents and purposes, the beliefs and behaviors of the two individuals would bear little similarity to each other, yet the faiths of both are ostensibly based on the same book (in the Catholic’s case, there’s the addition of two millennia of accumulated tradition, but I digress). Would the Catholic be interested in the Protestant’s beliefs? Would the Catholic be compelled to defend her faith after some Protestant misbehavior? Would the Catholic even call the Protestant a co-religionist?
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Most Catholics and Protestants, even where they disagree on doctrinal issues, consider each other to be Christian.
It is not as though Catholics or Protestants are members of long lost tribes, where their beliefs cannot be fathomed–many Christians of all denominations speak quite openly about their beliefs.
As for “Protestant misbehavior”, the implication that Protestants–or Catholics or Christians of any other other denomination–are regularly committing widespread violence, and further that they are doing so on the basis of Christian scripture, is just absurd.
And if some Christians *were* committing evil in the name of their faith, their fellow Christians of any denomination would *not* feel compelled to defend then, but to condemn such evil.
Angemon says
KCSanDiego posted:
“Has it ever occurred to any of you that she may actually think that Islam is a religion of peace? ”
Has it ever occurred to you to judge her by her actions? She stated that she lived near, and travelled to, places where islamic terrorist attacks took place, and that she did that to visit the local muslim restaurants and shops so she could enjoy the same things she could enjoy elsewhere. What places were attacked in Paris? Non-muslim shops and recreational centres. Not mingling with non-muslims? Seems to me knows what he religion teaches. Plus, she’s shamelessly trying to pretend she was as affected by the attacks in Paris and Brussels as the people who actually suffered with them – you know, the locals she never visited during her travels to their hometowns. When was the last time ISIS pledges went on a killing spree in a muslim-majority area in Europe? No, she was never in any danger, no matter how much she implies it. But the deal-sealer is that she in no moment seems to even admit to possibly acknowledge the possibility that islam is not a religion of peace. She knows around how many times the quran tells muslims to be patient, and somehow she, Miss “Mingle not with Non-muslims in their restaurants and stores” ignores all the verses commanding violence against non-muslims? She never, in any moment, despite the ever increasing body-count, took a moment to think “wait, what if the terrorists are right? Do I really want to follow a religion that sanctions these kinds of actions?”. Nope. Not buying it.
“Well, before his conversion, he thought that Islam was a religion of peace. Why? Because he swallowed the teaching of his local imam instead of investigating the core teachings of his religion (Quran, Hadith and Sunnah).”
Huh, you realize that you’re talking about a muslimah in the UK, right? You are keeping up with the news, right? Anjeem Choudary? 07/07 bombings? Lee Rigby? Dawatul Islam? Omar Bakri Muhammad? Hizb ut-Tahrir? Al-Muhajiroun ? IslamForUK? Sharia patrols? Undercover Mosque? Undercover Mosque 2? Anwar al-Awlaki? The many, many, *many* instances of muslims protests against non-muslims and demanding death for infractions of sharia law? Zionists stole my shoe?
We’re not talking about someone living in a backwater region where she can’t access islamic texts and scriptures, we’re talking about someone who lives in a country infested with islamic “extremists” and visited other countries suffering with the same affliction while willingly avoiding to mingle with non-muslims.
“And regardless of whether Ida S. Suandi-Al Shara is engaging in taquiyya or is simply self-deceived and ignorant of the core beliefs of her religion,”
You have no grounds to assume the latter.
“I do not think there is any justification for placing her in a sub-human category, which only fosters hatred, loathing and animosity.”
Who did that? You’ve alluded to that several times, but who here said she was sub-human? Strawman level: OVER 9000!!!
Angemon says
Also, Nabeel Qureshi was a ahmadi muslim. Ahmadi muslims are persecuted and reviled by other muslims not only for considering Mirza Ahmad the mahdi, they also (claim to) reject offensive jihad – according to what they say, if they’re living in a non-muslim territory and they’re allowed to practice their religion freely, they are not to try to spread sharia by the sword.
Jay Boo says
Muslim men leer at women (without a hijab) in a not so funny way.”
Carolyne says
If someone walks down the street dressed as a clown, it is only natural that other people will look at him. If a Muslim woman walks down the street dressed in that ridiculous slave garb, it is only natural that people will look at her strangely and maybe even wonder if she is carrying a bomb. And some of them might be. That’s who they are. That’s what they do.
Annak says
But really they luuuv the attention ! We hardly saw any hijabs ten years ago or longer ago and now suddenly they are ‘ trendy’? They know their ugly headbags are a sign of supremacism in the West, and they have smelled power and attention…a muslim female need only don a headbag or a guy sport a beard and pyjama’s and gain ‘ respect’ .Many have failed the system when their parents hoped they would do better, but they haven’t so showing everyone their ‘ identity’ makes them into ‘ someone’
My 2 cents. They love victimisation, attention, pampering, and they now know they can get away with literally murder
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
You’re so right Ann, and it’s worth a lot more than 2 cents.
While prosecuting a Free Speech Complaint in a local college I was astonished to see the change in one of the offending [muslim] ‘professors’. I’d seen her previously-and her pictures on the college Faculty page. She had long flowing hair, wore fashions too young for her age/figure, and in all ways conformed to Western contemporary dress…
But that was before the Complaint named her and other profs.
When she showed up at the Hearing I was flabbergasted. She was a headbag-wearin’-burka-totin’ MUSLIM, in full regalia! She thought this would shield her from responsibility for her vicious attacks v students who’d questioned/criticized, islam.
She figured wrong. She went down, along with her fellow 1st Amendment suppressing colleagues.
Still: Her transformation was remarkable.
linnte says
I hate Islam! Your example is Taqyyia at its finest. Makes me nauseated.
Sandra Lee Smith says
They do seem to trot those out forpublic viewing here, whenever cornered, kind of like a rattlesnake buzzes when cornered: both would prefer toslink away unnoticed and go on doing whatever they were doing.
AnnaK says
Well done Kathy in getting her prosecuted ! Would not happen here (Europe) or the UK. ( no 1st.amendment !)She would win, if she ever got to court that is as those criticising Islam would most likely be arrested/prosecuted !
I wonder if she, this female supremacist Prof. Has returned to her long flowing hair look and clothes too young for her since then 🙂
gravenimage says
Kathy, you description of the suddenly “modest” Muslimah is hilarious but also depressing–I think there’s a lot of this nonsense going on, depending on what image they consider most advantageous at any given time.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Linnte: Love you back dear. The ‘sisterly’ way (we actually have to add that since the piggy leftists can’t get enough of their perversions 24/7).
And you bet your life I’m on this side. OUR side. The Judeo-Christian side. The Western culture side which -in one DAY of its existence-has produced more wealth, art, music, science beneficent to mankind than the whole 1400 years of cave-dwelling-animal-torturing-dirt-floor-living-hygiene-eschewing-Enlightenment-bypassing ‘culture’ of islam has ever produced.
And KC? Since you’re-alas!-still here? FYI: Qareshi’s burka-wearing-country-serving ‘family’ has disowned him. As an apostate. IN THEIR MOSQUE. Which is code for: ‘He was our son. Now he’s fair game. We understand that he has to be killed and we’re totally cool with that. Because if we weren’t we understand that YOU would all kill of US.’ That’s what passes for family feeling in islam KC.
Oh yes: They’re real ‘Americans’ all right.
Finally: The asininity of your we-should-never-ever-be-angry-at the ‘deceived adherent(s) born into the religion/culture’, is stupendous. Those are the people who ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO KILL US. And you are wrong, incalculably wrong, to say ‘it does no good to categorize 1.6 billion people…as lying pieces of offal.’ It does tremendous good! That is what you do to ‘the enemy’. You objectify them. You demonize them. You call them just ‘the enemy’ because you don’t even want to think of them as human. That is why we called the Nazis ‘Krauts’ and ‘Huns’; the Japanese ‘Japs’ and ‘Nips’. You know nothing, do you? Let me run it down for you. See: WE’RE the good guys. OUR men have to be TAUGHT to kill, and it doesn’t come easy to them. That’s because they/we are not: Nazis. Kamikazes. Muslims.
You have to do that because that’s how you kill them. Ask the Marines, the Army, Navy and Air Force.
Now of course all of us here understand that when even our heroic Military tells you that they DO have to do this, you’ll no doubt not want to be in their company, either, the company of heroes, am I right? Because like the rest of us here with our ‘thoughts on this thread’, they TOO are not worthy of you. They TOO are not-how did you put it, it was SO beautiful-conscious enough that the enemy is ‘a target of God’s rich love’?
Go take a long walk off a short pier. And do, please, take some ‘peaceful muslims’ with you. Starting with the execrable ‘Ida’.
KCSanDiego says
Kathy Brown, Esq.
OK, so by your logic we should round up 1.6 billion inhabitants, a full 25% of the world’s population, and murder them all – perhaps we could send all the Sunnis to Saudi Arabia, and all the Shiites to Iran. When they’re all there we’d nuke both countries. After all, every one of them wants to kill us. And you call my argument asinine? When will it stop? What solution do you bring to the table other than death?
Whether or not Nabeel has been disowned is irrelevant to the argument. He still loves his parents and only wants the best for them. They are not sub-human objects to him. You espouse Judeo-Christian values. What does that even mean to you? How do you apply Jesus’ teaching:
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Matt 5:43-48 NIV
If you’re an attorney in real life, I’d really like you to parse the above paragraph in some meaningful way that supports your case.
dumbledoresarmy says
Mate.
Re the ‘vast majority’ of seemingly-peaceful (or non-activated) Mohammedans, many of whom are too small to take up arms (although we are seeing, from the Stabbing Jihad in Israel, that young teenage Muslim girls and boys will take up knives and stab the Infidels), you surely read *this* article by William Kilpatrick? Mr Spencer put it up here not so long ago. “The ‘Vast Majority’ Myth”.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2015/the-vast-majority-myth
And pray tell us why you seem to imply that our – the non-Muslim societies’ – response to the accelerating and increasingly-murderously-violent petrodollar-and-demographics-turbocharged Global Jihad should be, *must* be purely pacifist, rather than military (like our response to the Third Reich) or at least partly military (the free world’s response to Soviet Russia and to Communist China)?? Sure, the Mohammedans have a lot more Fifth Columnists embedded within the dar al Harb, than either the Third Reich or the Communist bloc had embedded within the societies that *they* were targeting for destruction. But why, why, why must any sort of concerted and *intelligent* military response be *unthinkable* when dealing with Islam?
Here’s *my* two cents. And note well that none of this amounts to ‘killing 1.6 billion people’. These are a bunch of measures intended for the *survival* of the countries of the dar al Harb, vis a vis a full-blown Death Cult that is pursuing Total World Domination.
1, first and foremost, every country in the ‘dar al Harb’, worldwide, every country that currently has either no Muslims, few Muslims, or less than a majority, MUST put an absolute flat halt to all further entry of identifiable / self-proclaimed Muslims across their borders, for any reason whatsoever. Muslim ‘refugees’ and ‘asylum seekers’ must, grimly but firmly, be told to seek asylum among those OIC countries that are currently-somewhat-less-chaotic. They CANNOT be admitted, because we are seeing abundant proof that to let them in is to gamble – MURDEROUSLY – with the lives of innocent Infidels within the host societies. I’ve HAD it with ‘playing Muslim roulette’.
Got Muslims? Got Jihad. The Ummah or mohammedan mob *is* the sheltering,, nurturing sea within which the killers, the sharia-pushers, the people whom ex-Muslim Nonie Darwish calls “allah’s enforcers” swim, and from which, endlessly (and ever more rapidly and in greater numbers, the bigger and stronger that Muslim ‘sea’ becomes in any given country) they emerge. So: STOP them coming in. No more. Not one. Not as migrants, not as ‘refugees’ or ‘asylum seekers’ whether legal or illegal, not as tourists, not as traders, no nuthin. Keep them out.
Any Muslim that pretends to be something else in order to get in, gets the boot, at once, the moment the imposture is detected.
Organisations like Barnabas Fund, who know their stuff, are recruited to process the applications-for-refuge of non-Muslims – e.g. Assyrian Christians – fleeing from Muslim hell-holes.
Again, it is made clear that any Muslim pretending to be what s/he ain’t in order to get inside the door will be given the boot the moment they are detected.
2/ END all governmental ‘aid’ to Muslim-dominated Muslim-ruled countries. Not one red cent. NO weaponry. Cut them off. They interpret ‘aid’ as either Jizya or Tribute. They are not grateful for it. I’m using a big picture approach. So: cut them off.
3/ Kick Muslim Turkey out of NATO. Any Infidel country that hasn’t already recognised that the Genocide of the Armenians took place and that it *was* a genocide for which Muslim Turks were responsible, remedies that omission, no matter how loud the Turkish Muslims shriek.
4/ Support Israel to the hilt, and every other majority-Infidel country – e.g. India, Philippines, Thailand, Myanmar – that is currently struggling to suppress Muslim attacks coming from within and/ or from without.
5/ Re Israel: all Infidel countries would move their embassies in Israel from Tel Aviv to the heart of the Jerusalem Old City, and would publicly state their recognition of undivided Jerusalem – including the Temple Mount and Mount of Olives and historic Jewish Quarter – as capital city of the State of Israel. Israel would be encouraged to assert sovereignty over the Temple Mount and over *all* of Judea and Samaria; and if this meant they had to dynamite (or, to appease the archaeologists – take to pieces and pack into boxes and ship out of the country ) the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa and turf out of Israel-controlled territory into Gaza every last identifiable/ declared Mohammedan, the rest of the Infidel world would have to support them.
6/ Within ‘the west’, and preferably every other Infidel land, no more mosques or islamic schools would be permitted to be built. All such premises already existing would be surprise-raided and searched from attic to basement… by army sappers and sniffer dogs in order to detect any hidden sub-basements, booby traps, false floors, false ceilings, and traces of drugs, explosives, weapons, and anything else that, from an Infidel law-enforcement-and-national-security POV ought not to be there. Find anything of the sort? After the forensics boys have meticulously gathered up and recorded all the evidence…. dynamite the place and raze it to the ground. that’s what you do with an enemy base. And that’s what these things are (or haven’t you read Sam Solomon, or Patrick Sookhdeo’s “Faith, Power and Territory”?
All burkas and nikabs would be banned in all public places; anyone flouting the ban would get the full treatment, just like the fare-jumpers did when the big NYC law-and-order cleanup got underway.
7/ All extraordinary accommodations such as infidel businesses paying mohammedans fat fees to ‘certify’ their products (mostly sold to Infidels) as ‘halal’ and the dabbling in ‘sharia finance’ by infidel financial institutions, would be rescinded. No special ‘prayer rooms’. No foot baths. The French ban on the wearing of hijab in public schools would be replicated by other Infidel jurisdictions, and *enforced*.
8/ Any Mohammedans ‘praying’ (i.e. conducting mass threat displays) in the public street or square without obtaining prior official permission would be arrested and charged for breaching the peace.
9/ All mohammedans resident in but not citizens of non-Muslim lands would NEVER be granted citizenship. Those present illegally, especially if they have committed *any* crime, get the boot, back to their country of origin. Infidel countries such as Greece that are struggling with a mass of dangerous and aggressive mohammedan males of military age – hundreds of thousands of them, many from Somalia, Afghanistan and Pakistan, none of whom have *any* business in Greece and are up to NO good there – would be helped to round them up and pack them off, back to their countries of origin; and would be helped to fortify and defend their borders against the entry of any more.
19. Publicly-declared apostates from Islam – whether Christian or Atheist or Buddhist or whatever – would be welcomed and protected; but also told, upfront, that they were ‘on probation and on parole’. The genuine apostates would know exactly why this was necessary and would accept the need to ‘report in’ regularly to let their ‘parole officer’ know how they were travelling.
20/ Infidel-country-passport-holding mohammedans who went to jihad hotspots like Syria to join forces with organisations such as Islamic State would *lose their infidel-country citizenship* the moment it was know that this was what they had done. They would not be stopped from going, if it were discovered they were thinking of so doing, before they went; but they would NOT be permitted back in. Ever. Same deal for converts to Islam who Go Jihad in this way.
21/ Muslims possessing infidel-country citizenship who are caught attempting/ plotting/ enabling/ inciting Jihad… or who are caught practising, attempting to practise, enabling the practice of, or teaching the practice of, any mohammedan practice that breaches Infidel law – most notably, those who threaten to kill or try to kill apostates or ‘blasphemers’, those who are caught carrying out or attempting ‘honour’ murders, FGM, polygyny, forced ‘marriage’, underage ‘marriage’, etc – get stripped of their citizenship and given the boot.
I’m not interested in trying to remove the whole of the dar al Islam from Planet Earth. But I *am* interested in *containing* it; and most of the measures I’ve listed WILL have to be done, at some point, if the massive Fifth Column that’s managed to establish itself, and is causing utter mayhem (see the report “Easy Meat” on the **thousands and thousands** of non-muslim girls, many of them underaged, in the UK, who have been brutally raped and pimped by Muslim sex gangs enacting mohammedan misogyny and contempt for the Infidel, for just one example of the kind of mayhem I mean), is to be … cut down to size, and limited in the amount and nature of the harm it can do.
And if major infidel countries were to come to their senses and figure out a way to cooperate in order to annihilate Pakistan’s nukes and Iran’s nuke project and to keep WMD technology – of any kind – out of the claws of the jihad gang bosses, then that too would be a damn good thing.
I don’t see that any of that necessarily contradicts Biblical morality.
We are dealing with a cult that sacralises murder, enslavement, robbery and rape of non-adherents; that sees those things as *the* primary manner of ‘worshipping’ its ‘god’.
Yes, some adherents, per miraculum, can be detached from it, exorcised, and even become Christians. (I would be totally in favour of a massive increase in funding for 24/7 Bible / gospel broadcasts – radio, TV, satellite – in the languages used by mohammedans, to blanket the dar al Islam; similar broadcasts into ‘closed’ and hostile regions were used during the Cold War. Preventing the Mohammedan Mob from attacking us and butchering us wholesale doesn’t mean we can’t pour the truth in on their heads night and day).
But I don’t see why we shouldn’t identify it as a threat on the same scale as – or even worse than – Soviet Russia; as an Evil Empire; and mobilise our political and military authorities to do their job, that is, to *restrain* evil.
Unless you think that ‘love your enemy’ means that, on the societal level, we disband the police force and the courts of law and meekly allow murderers, robbers, human-traffickers and rapists to do as they like, to whom they like, whenever they like?
Sandra Lee Smith says
Excellent post! ISLAM itself is the enemy, not necessarily the people ensnared by and enslaved by it, but they can’t be freed until it’s contained if not fully eliminated.
Fessitude says
Sandra Lee Smith says
April 10, 2016 at 3:59 pm
Excellent post! ISLAM itself is the enemy, not necessarily the people ensnared by and enslaved by it, but they can’t be freed until it’s contained if not fully eliminated.
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Is that what dumbledoresarmy was saying? If so, she was wrong. But that’s the ongoing incoherence of the Counter-Jihad — opposing Islam but “not Muslims”, as though Islam would be a problem if Muslims weren’t actualizing it.
However, another amusing quirk which seems common from the other end in the Counter-Jihad, whereby a robustly no-nonsense Counter-Jihadist like Kathy Brown Esq. speaks only in terms of “killing” but not a word about deportation (I’ve even encountered a couple of Counter-Jihadists who advocated genocide, but then suddenly shrank back like violets from total deportation! Fascinating…).
Sandra Lee Smith says
It’s the IDEOLOGY of Islam that is the problem; if that can be broken in an individual, he can be turned; but as long as it is allowed to continue to proliferate it’s very like leaving a few cancer cells loose in your body; DEADLY folly! That has to go! There is no other rational solution! Those who espouse and will not turn from it need to be isolated and contained, quarantined, until they die; or eliminated forcefully. And no others permitted to learn it!
dajjal says
Opportunities were missed: battles of Badr and The trench, The Crusades and the colonial era.
Now we must fight an uphill battle which we can only engage on the ideological plane.
Little or no progress can be made without first listing the ideas which are members of the set of Islamic ideology.
I have started it off, I want others more knowledgeable than I to finish the list.
Only Allah has the right to be worshiped.
Only Allah has the right to decide, rule and govern.
Jihad is ordained for Muslims.
Jihad is war against non-Muslims.
Jihad continues until judgment day.
Infidels may be attacked without provocation.
The blood and treasure of kuffar are not sacred to Muslims.
Kuffar have no human rights.
Arabs are the best of people.
Qurayash are the best of tribes.
Muslims are the best of peoples for the people as they bring them to Islam with chains on their necks.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Yes, because the all-too-humand and more humane opponents didn’t recognize that Islam would NEVER “mature”, or allow its followers to do so, as societies, so allowed it to continue to proliferate, all these centuries.
Angemon says
Fessitude posted:
“that’s the ongoing incoherence of the Counter-Jihad — opposing Islam but “not Muslims”, as though Islam would be a problem if Muslims weren’t actualizing it.”
Got islam? Got muslims.
No islam? No muslims.
How is trying to end islam not opposing muslims?
“However, another amusing quirk which seems common from the other end in the Counter-Jihad, whereby a robustly no-nonsense Counter-Jihadist like Kathy Brown Esq. speaks only in terms of “killing” but not a word about deportation”
Ah, so, unlike you imply, you’re not against muslims, you’re just against having muslims near you – for all your chest-thumping, braggadocio and derision of others for apparently not being “anti-muslim”, for all you care muslims are free to keep plotting increasingly horrific ways to inflict harm on non-muslims just as long as you can’t see any of them inside your borders. Which brings the next three questions:
1 – How do you plan on identifying who is a muslim and who isn’t? After all, the islamic state is telling its members to pretend they’re not muslims – shave their beards, disguise their names, don’t go to the mosque, don’t carry a quran, eat pork, drink alcohol and go to night clubs, etc.
2 – Where would you deport, for example, a native American Amerindian convert to islam that can trace his lineage to the pre-Columbian era?
3 – How will you handle the muslims in your country who refuse to be “deported”? Are you going to send men with weapons after them, with orders to bring them back dead or alive?
“(I’ve even encountered a couple of Counter-Jihadists who advocated genocide”
You mean you allegedly encountered a couple of genocidal assholes and are now trying to pass them as being CJ.
“but then suddenly shrank back like violets from total deportation! Fascinating…).”
Why fascinating? Like I said, they’re genocidal assholes. If they want to kill all muslims why would they be interested in “deportation”? Anyway, they seem like the kind of people right up your alley – they are not, as you say, “incoherent”, and must have certainly won points with you by realizing that “islam wouldn’t be a problem if muslims weren’t actualizing it”. The question is, why are you squeamish about genocide? Can you give a logical explanation to why “deportation” of people against their will and rights is a more viable option than simply killing them? After all, a bullet is cheaper than an airplane ticket, and you don’t have to take any s*** from whatever country you’re trying to send them to – it’s not like, let’s say, Sudan, is under the obligation of taking in American muslims bred, born and raised in America. I’m sure the Sudanese government would object to having American citizens with no connection to Sudan tossed upon them.
Want to know what I think? You don’t? I’ll tell it anyway. I think you’re OK with the genocide idea. In fact, I think you think that’s the only way to make sure there are no muslims to act upon islam. But you’re smart enough to try to disguise it because, you know, other people and their “ethical narcissism” -they’re too squeamish to do what’s needed. But not you. Only you see further ahead and with a clear mind. You know what you have to do. “Total deportation”, you say, knowing that muslims will resist. And fight back. And if they fight back you can shoot to kill, play the victim and say “we tried to work it out peacefully but they forced us into this”.
dajjal says
‘Got islam? Got muslims.
No islam? No muslims.”
No Muslims? No Islam!
One Muslim? He’ll breed more.
Past breeding age?? He’ll recruit more.
And the Jihad continues.
How do you contain Islam in the age of intercontinental ballistic missiles???
Muslims are brothers; one Ummah. Deport them to Dar al-Islam. If necessary give them parachutes and drop them. If Muslims will not accept their own, pronounce takfir on them.
Is the extinction of Small Pox genocide? Is there something morally wrong with it? If vampires were real would it be wrong to exterminate them?
Angemon says
dajjal posted:
“‘Got islam? Got muslims.
No islam? No muslims.”
No Muslims? No Islam!
One Muslim? He’ll breed more.
Past breeding age?? He’ll recruit more.
And the Jihad continues.”
I’ll get back at this.
“How do you contain Islam in the age of intercontinental ballistic missiles???
Muslims are brothers; one Ummah. Deport them to Dar al-Islam.”
You can’t deport native citizens to a country other than their own. Plus, getting back at “No Muslims? No Islam!/One Muslim? He’ll breed more./Past breeding age??/He’ll recruit more./And the Jihad continues.” – you’d still have muslims and jihad.
“If necessary give them parachutes and drop them.”
So you’re suggesting to toss people onto another country. What if that country objects to that?
“If Muslims will not accept their own, pronounce takfir on them.”
Who’s going to pronounce takfir? A non-muslim?
“Is the extinction of Small Pox genocide? Is there something morally wrong with it? If vampires were real would it be wrong to exterminate them?”
Huh, going from “containment” and “deportation” to genocide? Why even bother with “containment” and “deportation”?
gravenimage says
Great post, DDA.
linnte says
I am not a Christian, I am a Pagan. You responded to Kathy, but I am responding to you also.
I don’t step on bugs or kill snakes. I once ran over a possum and had to pull over and weep, taking care of his body, I took him home and buried him. I believe that all beings from Amoebas to Great Whales are sentient and just as important in this universe as humans. If I had to decide between the life of an animal or the life of a human, I wouldn’t be able to choose without having a meltdown. I believe in unconditional positive regard for all beings. I believe in the words of Jesus because his is the best example I know. He said, “whatsoever you do unto the least of these my brethren, you do it into me”. I raised my sons to be compassionate- when my youngest was 3, we heard on the radio that one million abortions happens every year and it made me cry. My son patred me on the knee and said ” don’t worry momma, they will all be with God”.
My point KC is that I revere life AS God. Life is sacred. Life IS God. Spirit cannot be separated from God. Except Islam/Muslims. Because were Islam to infest the whole world and become dominate, Life would be sacrificed. Their doctrine and Ideology command it.
Islamists don’t plant gardens and tender them to growth and beauty. Islamists do not cultivate and irrigate fields of produce to nurture their babies- they have slaves do it or they don’t do it at all. Islamists do not create symphony’s or great works of art, like Van Gogh or Vermeer. Islamists do not create anything but strife and evil. The Qur’an commands them to be so. Islam is a virus that will eventually kill every aspect of humanity there EVER was. If Islam were the world’s religion, even “moderate or Liberal Muslims would be destroyed.
If Islam, the Qur’an, Hadith and every atom of Islam is not destroyed, it will continue to infect the world. It must be eradicated completely. If that means down to every last man, woman and child who is infected, then so be it. THAT is the horrifying reality. As Spock said, ” The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” Because I have beautiful grandchildren who deserve LIFE.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Islam is a cancer in the body of humanity; and like a cancer, the cells of which never properly mature and function, only consume, and reproduce, and kill off what surrounds them, so too Muslims! Islam needs to be treated as aggressively and fully as any other cancer.
gravenimage says
linnte, thank you for detailing your beautiful philosophy and faith. Very life-affirming–quite unlike Islam.
linnte says
Graven, I have come to see that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. So I have accepted Jesus as my Savior!! I guess studying the evils of Islam has opened my heart to Jesus hahaha! I am happy about my choice and have all you to thank. Believing all along that a supreme being orchestrated all of creation and seeing God in everything, I understand now why that Being would have sent Messiah to mankind as the perfect example. Wish me luck on my new Journey.
Also yesterday, I emailed Belgium’s Prime Minister (if that’s what one would call him) and asked questions regarding the letter in the New Your Times about the inability of migrants assimilation into Belgian society. I received a response back saying they would consider my questions! It surprised me! Basically my letter pointed to the need for their Government to read and educate themselves on the Qur’an, Hadith and Sharia. Keep your fingers xxxed that SOMEONE in their Government DOES read! Cool eh?
Sandra Lee Smith says
Welcome, new sister, Linnte! Praise the Lord! You have taken the first steps into LIFE!
linnte says
Thanks Sandra! Looking at the world with “new” eyes and something more to grow with is always exciting. I am in need of reading a book that explains (or attempts to explain) Revelations. Like why did John speak about all those seven Churches in Turkey? Haha! It confuses me. But I am sure it will sort itself out.
Sandra Lee Smith says
The Bible itself, Linnte, and it’s really hazardous to read outside books before you have a good handle on what it says of itself first. The books of Daniel, Isaiah, and Ezekiel explain much of the symbology of Revelation, but I would suggest you start first with the Gospel of John and get that solidly in hand first and foremost. Revelation is a complicated book, with clues to it all through the entirety of the Bible. It’s not the best place to start. Once you read John, read the letters from Paul and the others to the churches of the first century, so you understand what it is you’re expected to believe, THEN tackle Revelation and the other 4 books I suggested, so that you have a foundation for understanding them.
linnte says
Good advice! Revelations kinda ????rattled me! I do love the book of John. Will probably just start at Matthew and go that way, then tackle the OT. You’re gonna laugh at this MAYBE. I didn’t have a Bible until a year ago. I went to a local church where my grandsons school(private) was having a play and we all sat in the pews watching, when I noticed all the Pew backs had Bibles along with the hymnals. So, much to the astonishment of my 40 year old son, I popped one into my huge hippie bag and stole it! 🙁 Well, it is mine now but what I stole has come back to bite me. But in the best way. I guess I will have to go to the church and apologize and admit my theft now. Hahahaha! I hope they will let me keep it.
Sandra Lee Smith says
I expect they will, although they may ask you to pay for it. I’m sure your son was surprised, but you’d be surprised how many stolen Bibles have had similar effects. It’s the primary reason the Gideons keep leaving Bibles in hotels and motels, and passing them out at schools. When you read, just ask the Holy Spirit, Whom you now have to guide you, to open the Word to you. I’ve read the whole many times, and still find new things, every time, that I know I’ve read, yet somehow never quite saw before. Don’t be afraid to ask Him questions either. You may not get an instant answer, but He does answer.
gravenimage says
Wow, linnte–thank you for sharing that!
And I’m glad you wrote the Belgian prime minister. I do believe that we can eventually educate about the Jihad threat.
dajjal says
Exactly what part of this do you not comprehend?
“and kill them wherever you find them”
“fight them until…”
“fight those who … until…”
“I am commanded to fight”
“Jihad will be performed continuously”
“War must be carried on at all times by some party of the Muslims.”
“Destruction of the sword is incurred by Infidels although they be not the first aggressors.”
“The caliph makes war on Jews…. until…”
“The caliph fights all other peoples until…”.
“Muslims are the best of peoples for the people as you bring them to Islam with chains on their necks.”
“Jizya is a species of punishment for infidelity.”
“Jizya is a payment in lieu of destruction.”
“Disbelief is an evil which must be removed by death or Islam.”
Just in case you need to see the full quotes with links to source texts:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/220586952/What-s-Wrong-With-Islam-Muslims
https://www.scribd.com/doc/212627663/Hledaya-2-140-Annotated
https://www.scribd.com/doc/213423566/Hedaya-2-141-Annotated
https://www.scribd.com/doc/212631107/Jihad-Defined-and-Exemplified-pUpdated
https://www.scribd.com/doc/110516023/No-Justification-in-Islam-for-Terrorism-in-a-Pig-s-Anus
Existential war: us or them, which side should survive, the aggressors or the defenders?? Who is the aggressor? Do you have a God blessed clue? If not, get it from Sahih Bukhari 4.53.386.
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/004.053.386.html
In case that clue is insufficient, get another from Sahih Muslim 19.4294
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/muslim/019.4294.html
Error #1: Crusaders: failure to exterminate Islam.
Error #2: Colonists: failure to exterminate Islam.
Error #3: Allowing Muslim immigration.
Error #4: Sending the Marines to save Arafat’s ass.
Error #5: Not nuking KSA, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan & Pakistan immediately after the accursed abomination.
KCSanDiego says
Hi Hugh!
Yes, the irony is readily apparent, in the same way that Jesus loved and forgave those that executed him. For that, I am in deep gratitude.
Hi dumbledoresarmy!
Did you compose all that for me? Impressive! I generally agree that our response to Islam’s reformation has been reactive rather than proactive, and that our commander-in-chief is wholly unprepared and/or unwilling to confront the danger. That said, time constrains me from commenting on your post point-for-point.
I never said that our response must be purely pacifist. I will say that our response to 95-99% of Muslims should be loving, reasoned, truthful and wise (as in “trust but verify”). The other 1-5% should sadly be the target of the military. There is no joy in my saying that – but I see no alternative.
Hi Kathy Brown, Esq.
While I can’t compel you to answer my questions, I’d really like to see your response. After all, you did essentially ask me to commit suicide (long walk/short pier, remember?), and on my birthday nonetheless! 🙂
gravenimage says
Yet more tommyrot from KCSanDiego, in reply to Hi Kathy Brown, Esq.:
While I can’t compel you to answer my questions, I’d really like to see your response. After all, you did essentially ask me to commit suicide (long walk/short pier, remember?), and on my birthday nonetheless!
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*No one* reasonably interprets the phrase “take a long walk off a short pier” as a call for someone’s *death*. It means ‘get wet’.
But this is perfectly in line with the rest of his claptrap, where he pretends Kathy was also calling for genocide. *Ugh*.
gravenimage says
More crap from KCSanDiego:
Kathy Brown, Esq.
OK, so by your logic we should round up 1.6 billion inhabitants, a full 25% of the world’s population, and murder them all…
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Every apologist for evil eventually pulls this bullsh*t–that if we dare object to Muslims slaughtering *us* that this somehow means we are advocating genocide.
It is absolute bosh. Kathy noted that killing, even in the case of defensive war, does not come easily to the civilized West, and this is true.
That KCSanDiego is pretending this is a call for genocide is simply grotesque.
More:
You espouse Judeo-Christian values. What does that even mean to you? How do you apply Jesus’ teaching…
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This is, of course, very common as well–the claim that if any Christian–or just any Westerner–suggests that we defend against violent Jihad, that it means the are not true Christians.
After all, if we *were* true Christians, then we would be supinely rolling over for Muslim conquest. The only true Christian is suicidal,
More:
If you’re an attorney in real life, I’d really like you to parse the above paragraph in some meaningful way that supports your case.
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No, you wouldn’t. You are pulling the same old rot, that we dare not oppose Jihad in any way.
Mirren10 says
I’m pretty sure, graven, that KCSanDiego is the old stardusty psyche. The exact same MO, and sneering condescension attempting to masquerade as bonhomie.
Excellent ripostes, by the way !
Angemon says
Mirren10 posted:
“I’m pretty sure, graven, that KCSanDiego is the old stardusty psyche. The exact same MO, and sneering condescension attempting to masquerade as bonhomie.”
Ah, that would explain the familiar stench of patronizing atheist trying to school others in a religion he knows nothing about.
“Excellent ripostes, by the way !”
Seconded.
gravenimage says
Probably so, Mirren.
And thanks so much, Mirren and Angemon.
linnte says
(Huge toothy grin!) hahahahahahaha! BOOM!
Sandra Lee Smith says
In my day, they were VC (Victor Charlie) or gooks, but yes, that is true; that is how our guys are taught to view enemies as less than human in order to enable them to do what they are called upon to do. As for KC; yes, God does love Muslim peoples too, as His creations, but He has the capacity, and wants us to be as discerning too, to separate that from their evil behaviors which He stated He abhors, and to realize that such behaviors must be avoided and penalized! Far too many Christians fail to grasp that the NT is more like a codicil to the OT than a whole different covenant! The Abrahamic covenant and the Davidic covenants are still in effect as well as the Mosaic covenants, except where modified by the codicil (NT). Jesus Himself, said He came to fulfill, not abolish, the Law (OT)!
notaluvvie says
No, people won’t start looking at her in a funny way. We have always looked at them because they dress in a funny way. Nothing will change. Besides, she can always bugger off back to Singapore anytime she likes. Or are the allowances and freedoms of Europe just that much more attractive then even Singapore?
dumbledoresarmy says
The Chinese secular government in Singapore keeps a much tighter rein and a beadier eye on their Muslim minority, than the European authorities do on theirs.
Nuff said…
sham says
ISLAM AND HIJAB
The Qur’anic verses which make the Islamic
dress code compulsory provide clear answers to these questions. They
go as follows: “O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters and the believing
women that they should cast their outer garments over their
persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be
known (as such) and not molested. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most
Merciful.” (33:59)
“And say to the believing women that they should lower their
gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty
and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they
should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty
except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their
sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers or their brothers’ sons or,
their sisters’ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right
hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children
who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not
strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments.
And O ye believers! Turn ye all together towards God, that ye may
attain bliss.” (24:31)
“And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display,
like that of the former times of ignorance; and establish regular
prayer, and give regular charity; and obey God and His Apostle. And
God only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of
the family, and to make you pure and spotless.” (33:33)
The real objective of asking the woman to adopt a decent mode
of dressing becomes quite clear from these verses.
One: That they may be recognized.
Two: That they be not molested.
Those who live or work in different fields in society do adopt
certain patterns of dressing in order that they are identified likewise.
As far as women are concerned, it is possible, to a certain extent, to
assess their way of life and character from the very pattern of dress
that they adopt.
Prostitutes dress in such fashion as to enable those in need of
them to identify them. The Devadasis who were attached to temples
had, for purposes of identification, their own way of dressing. It may
also be seen that the Hetaerae of Greece, the Chin kuwan Jen of
China and the Gaishes of Japan – all had their own ways of dressing.
They could all be identified by this code of apparel. Those in need of
them could also be invited thereby.
The ideal woman as envisioned by Islam is modest and pious;
chaste and virtuous – she is never approached by sex starved wolves;
is not advanced upon by any with pleas for sexual gratification. This
must all be discernible from her dressing itself. That prostitutes were
to sit by windows with their breasts uncovered was a prescription in
the legal code of fifteenth century Venice. It was indeed, a prescription
for judging the quality of the available goods for those sex starved
persons who came to satisfy their craving! How strange, indeed, it is
that modern day women should have as their attire those that resemble
the ones used by the prostitutes of yesteryear to attract the possible
users of their bodies. The Qur’an, however, recommends that
believing women and those who sell their bodies must be clearly distinguishable
from each other and that, too, by the clothes that they
wear.
Women have, in all ages, constituted a group, which has been
never allowed any peace. Indeed, the great literary and cultural figures
of every age have been men who tended to fight over the flesh
and chastity of women. If yesterday the honour of women was torn
apart through nude dances and poetry that depicted and glorified nudity,
today it is being practiced right within the corridors of the family
setting through the ‘idiot boxes’ and the Internet. The whole life of
modern man has become sexually oriented. Things have come to such
a pass that from the choice of the coffee that one drinks early in the
morning to the pillow that one uses to sleep late in the night there is
no escape from casting a glance, howsoever, cursory, on the feminine
curves exploited inorder to sell the product.
It has also been for the very same reason that molestation of
women has steadily been on the increase. Indeed, fathers who sexually
harass their own daughters and mothers who involve in sexual
relations with the sons to whom they have themselves given birth are,
fast becoming characters who hardly raise a ripple in the normal functioning
of our intellect. Teachers who sexually harass their female
students! Male students who go around with their female teachers!
The prominent officials who are forced to resign their jobs owing to
the humiliation of sex scandals connecting them to their female secretaries!
Women of royalty who publicly proclaim that they have sexual
relationships with many men! So goes the list of news articles that we
get to read in the daily newspapers. Indeed, it is a situation wherein
women are unable to travel in peace! Wherein they are unable to
work in security! In fact, our society seems to be rushing headlong
into a situation where women are even unable to be at peace in their
very own homes! What is the reason for this state of affairs? Observe
the answers given by mature experts in the field.
Sandra Lee Smith says
THAT’S your sham “morality”; meanwhile, at home, grandpa, daddy, brothers etc molest the girls and women; beat them and abuse them and the little boys as well, and it’sall hunky-dory! Only it’s NOT! It’s PURE, unadulterated EVIL!
gravenimage says
More spam from sham:
ISLAM AND HIJAB
The Qur’anic verses which make the Islamic
dress code compulsory provide clear answers to these questions. They
go as follows: “O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters and the believing
women that they should cast their outer garments over their
persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be
known (as such) and not molested.
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“And not molested”–sham here is giving the game away. The Hijab is *not* about “modesty”–instead, it tells rapist Muslims to leave then alone, but to rape the unveiled ‘whore’ over there.
More:
“And stay quietly in your houses…
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This is not just a headscarf, but full Purdah, where a woman is not even allowed to leave the house without a male “Mehram” (owner).
More:
The real objective of asking the woman to adopt a decent mode of dressing becomes quite clear from these verses.
One: That they may be recognized.
Two: That they be not molested.
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This second clearly shows that Muslims are by nature *rapists*, and the veil only begs the question of who they will be raping.
That Mohammedans then posit this as an issue of *female* morality is simply grotesque.
More:
As far as women are concerned, it is possible, to a certain extent, to
assess their way of life and character from the very pattern of dress
that they adopt.
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Yes–and in this case, what it has to say about Muslim women is that they are frightened of Muslims raping them, and eager to have then victimize Infidel women, instead. *Ugh*.
More:
The ideal woman as envisioned by Islam is modest and pious; chaste and virtuous – she is never approached by sex starved wolves; is not advanced upon by any with pleas for sexual gratification…
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Actually, this is laughable. Muslim men harass women on the street all the time. Infidels, sure–but also Muslim women, including those not just in Hijab, but those immured in Burqas. Any visitor to Dar-al-Islam knows this.
In the civilized West, rapists are not running wild in the streets–except, of course, where there are sufficient Muslims.
But Mohammedans never consider that men have no right to rape women–that concept does not even exist for them.
More:
Women have, in all ages, constituted a group, which has been never allowed any peace.
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Muslim men blame women for rape, as is exemplified above.
More:
The whole life of modern man has become sexually oriented.
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Given that this is said by someone condoning rape of any unveiled woman, it is laughable. Western men don’t act like this.
More:
Things have come to such a pass that from the choice of the coffee that one drinks early in the morning to the pillow that one uses to sleep late in the night there is
no escape from casting a glance, howsoever, cursory, on the feminine curves exploited inorder (sic) to sell the product.
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Of course, Muslim men who don’t believe women should leave the house unaccompanied do not believe women should be allowed to act in commercials or work as models.
More:
It has also been for the very same reason that molestation of women has steadily been on the increase. Indeed, fathers who sexually harass their own daughters and mothers who involve in sexual relations with the sons to whom they have themselves given birth are, fast becoming characters who hardly raise a ripple in the normal functioning of our intellect.
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What *absolute crap*.
We are more sensitive to concerns about harassment than ever.
Instead, it is Muslim families where rape and incest are rife, and the victims have no recourse. The Qur’an itself sacralizes marital rape:
Quran (2:223) – “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will…”
Add to that that girls are often married off when just children, and that Muslims may own sex slaves, and it is clear that rape is normative Islam.
More:
Teachers who sexually harass their female students! Male students who go around with their female teachers!
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Where students are underaged, this is illegal. Predatory teachers are prosecuted in the West.
More:
Indeed, it is a situation wherein women are unable to travel in peace! Wherein they are unable to work in security!
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This is especially perverse, since working or traveling alone both mark a woman as Halal to rape in Islam.
More:
In fact, our society seems to be rushing headlong into a situation where women are even unable to be at peace in their very own homes!
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Again, grimly humorous. A Muslim woman may be beaten, raped, or “Honor Killed” in her own home–and Muslims complain that they can be arrested for this in the West.
More:
What is the reason for this state of affairs? Observe the answers given by mature experts in the field.
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Oh no! Did sham cut his spam off in mid-rant? He really is a very inept Taqiyya artist!
Champ says
Graven wrote:
Oh no! Did sham cut his spam off in mid-rant? He really is a very inept Taqiyya artist!
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LOL! He really is, Graven ..more like a taqiyya amateur.
gravenimage says
Ha ha!
sham says
STATUS OF WOMEN IN ” NON HIJAB ” ZONE:NON MUSLIM CONSIDER WOMEN A ” SEX TOY ”
HERE THE EVIDENCE……..
WORLD MOST LEADING RAPES COUNTRY:
Rank Countries Amount
1 Lesotho 0.844 per 1,000 people
2 New Zealand 0.315
3 Belgium 0.299
4 Iceland 0.286
5 Norway 0.203
6 Israel 0.166
7 Finland 0.141
8 Chile 0.12
#9 Mongolia: 0.118
#10 Ireland: 0.102
nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita
nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita
UN Rape Statistics:
RANK
1 United States of America 93883
2 Australia 18237
3 United Kingdom 13272
4 France 10408
5 Germany 8766
6 Russian Federation 8185
wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
yellodyno.com/pdf/Rape_Statistics.pdf
Rape rate: Countries Compared
1 South Africa 132.4 2010
2 Botswana 92.9 2010
3 Lesotho 82.7 2009
4 Swaziland 77.5 2004
5 Bermuda 67.3 2004
6 Sweden 63.5 2010
nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate
Divorce rate (most recent) by country[SWAPPING ONE TOY TO OTHERS]
Rank Countries Amount
#1 United States: 4.95 per 1,000 people
#2 Puerto Rico: 4.47
#3 Russia: 3.36
#4 United Kingdom: 3.08
#5 Denmark: 2.81
#6 New Zealand: 2.63
#7 Australia: 2.52
# 8 Canada: 2.46
#9 Finland: 1.85
#10 Barbados: 1.21
nationmaster.com/graph/peo_div_rat-people-divorce-rate
‘World’s Largest’ Online Pedophile Ring Smashed In Europe
yellodyno.com/Statistics/statistics_child_molester.html
CHILD PROSTITUTION:
Romania: 2,000 minors victim to prostitution.
The Netherlands: 1,000 children walk the streets.
Northern Italy: 40% of prostitution affects minors.
Belgium: All sorts of young Albanian, Bulgarian, or Ukrainian girls ages 13- 16 years old were discovered in Brussels in 2000.
France: The number would hit 8,000 according to estimations from 2003.
Popular China: It is estimated that there are between 200,000 and 500,000 child prostitutes.
India: According to UNICEF, India is one of the countries with the most child prostitutes. According to a study from the magazine India Today, between 400,000 and 500,000 children are prostitutes in India.
Japan: In this country, child prostitution is frequent. Research has shown that most of the young girl prostitutes do not suffer from economic problems but are “victims” of a culture of consumerism. Minor girls decide to sell their bodies or participate in a pornographic film in order to buy luxury products: cell phones, shoes, clothes. This often comprises very young girls who have either problems in their family or in school.
Philippines: Between 80,000 and 100,000 children, the large majority girls, are victims of prostitution in the Philippines.
Sri Lanka: 30,000 children, mostly boys.
Taiwan: 100,000 minors subjected to sexual exploitation
Thailand: A study of the black market by the International Labor Organization in Thailand in 1998 estimates that prostitution represents 10-14% of the GDP (Gross Domestic Product) of the country in 1998. It is believed that one-third of Thai prostitutes, 24,000-40,000, are minors, sometimes abducted and sold. More than one-quarter are infected with HIV.
United States: Between 244,000 to 325,000 child prostitutes
Canada: The country is becoming alarmed by the rise in child prostitution, notably amongst children of native peoples, victim to the sex industry. This child prostitution is caused by racism, lack of education, and poverty.
fondationscelles.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=87:la-prostitution-des-enfants-dans-le-monde&catid=10:fiches-thematiques&Itemid=12&lang=en
wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sex_tourism
wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_of_children
wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse
THANKS ALLHA MAKE ME A PIOUS ,DECENT,MORAL,IDEAL HUMAN MUSLIM AND NOT PART OF THESE VULGAR/IMMORAL /BASTARDS/HEINOUS ANIMALS
Sandra Lee Smith says
Muslims do not have morals; only a fake public pretense thereof! They rape and molest their own just as fast and a good deal more regularly than foreign “infidels”! As a result most of the populations of majority Muslim nations are in reality “adult-children” whose arrested development makes them consumers of all around them, contributing NOTHING to humanity at large or their own nations individually!
No Fear says
LOL. Your “perfect example” Mohammed was all of the things you find repulsive. Murderer, rapist , thief, pimp….the Islamic source texts tell us all about it !
If I were to use Mohammed as an “excellent example” I would be jailed very quickly.
gravenimage says
sham has spammed this before:
WORLD MOST LEADING RAPES COUNTRY
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sham does not mention, of course, that such statistics exist only where rape is considered a crime. Since so many forms of rape are perfectly Halal in Islam and the countries are so chaotic, there are seldom reliable rape statistics to cite.
And further, women who report rape are likely to be imprisoned or even murdered, because they are considered to be guilty of “Zina”–illegal sexual activity–even though it was not consensual:
“Amnesty International: ‘Woman’ stoned to death in Somalia was 13-year-old rape victim”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/amnesty-international-woman-stoned-to-death-in-somalia-was-13-year-old-rape-victim
He also does not mention that rape statistics are what they are in the West because of *Muslim* rapists:
“Prosecutor: ‘Overwhelming majority’ of Cologne New Year’s Eve sex assault suspects are refugees”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/prosecutor-overwhelming-majority-of-cologne-new-years-eve-sex-assault-suspects-are-refugees
Those “refugees”, of course, are all Muslim.
Similarly, over a five year period in Oslo, *every single stranger rape* was committed by a Muslim migrant.
More:
‘World’s Largest’ Online Pedophile Ring Smashed In Europe
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Actually, all the recent pedophile rings, such at that in Rotherham in England, have been Muslims victimizing Infidel girls. Does sham think we don’t know that?
More:
CHILD PROSTITUTION
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This is illegal in the West, and in most of Dar-al-Harb. Whereas little girls can be lawfully sold to men in Islam, and any attempts to criminalize child marriage are blocked by Muslim clerics.
More:
THANKS ALLHA MAKE ME A PIOUS ,DECENT,MORAL,IDEAL HUMAN MUSLIM AND NOT PART OF THESE VULGAR/IMMORAL /BASTARDS/HEINOUS ANIMALS
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Given the above, how an any Muslim say this with a straight face? It is because Muslims can marry up to four females–including small children–and rape Infidels and keep sex slaves, and still consider themselves “chaste”.
This is, in fact, spelled out in the Qur’an:
Qur’an 4:24:
“And also prohibited to you are all married women except those your right hands possess… And there is no blame upon you…”
*Ugh*.
Kathy Brown, Esq/ says
Sandra, I hear you. Now I’m sorry such has happened to you but hey: Misery (!?) loves company!
‘Look to problems in their own minds…’. That’s a good insight. Honestly: If I can’t defend something, then I learn something about that, you know? I mean it illuminates the subject. I might have to change my mind,
However if you’re insecure you’ll do the ad hominem, no question.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Oh, absolutely, they always do; for some of them, it’s all they do know. And yes, many of us have been subjected to like “abuse” at the strokes of their keys.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Linnte: You don’t need to ‘plead guilty’ to anything! When someone as charming and practiced as Obama lies nonstop, hey, lots of people will believe it.
Now I had his # early on but that was only due to my working in the Pro-Life movement. I was speaking at a ‘Silent No More’ event and several people hipped me to his horrifying, sole opposition to BAIPA (‘Born Alive Infant Protection Act’). Obama was the ONLY opposition to that; and I mean Feinstein and Boxer supported it. So that tells you.
When I saw that I was hot on his trail. I researched him like mad and it was just hideous. So we in the Pro-Life movement knew what he was, what was happening, and then when the economy collapsed right before the ’08 election? I remember thinking: ‘Dear God, this anti-Christ type is going to be elected.’
Now if we can just hang on ’til November God willing, Trump will get in. But it’s uncanny you saying the Kennedy thing Linnte: I worry about that a LOT. And I’m sure we’re not the only ones.
dajjal says
Investigate Trump’s history and evolution on abortion, particularly partial birth abortion. Do you trust his conversion??
Lift the lid and ask: “Where is the beef?” What genuine Conservative Republican contributes to the war chests of the worst congressional liberals??? Do you vote for one who has high praise for Billary?? Cruz to victory!!!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Cruz is good too daj. Trump’s my choice though.
I know Trump’s previous activity; I grew up with him, so to say. NYC’s my hometown. He’s been very clear too-doesn’t try to hide it. There’s no ‘perfect’ candidate. I’m just glad we have 2 Conservatives available.
dajjal says
You are right about the imperfection of candidates, which extends to past nominees and presidents. I would rank Trump higher than Bush & Grahham, lower than Santorum & Cruz. I do not believe that Trump is conservative.
Sandra Lee Smith says
You’re right, he’s not. He’s corporate. And he’s adept at the exact same technique that put Hitler in office. He hits emotional “hot buttons” and gets people to emote, rather than think. Cruz, on the other hand, is pure establishment. He’s played his role well. But he is also not Constitutionally eligible to the office and knows that, yet is running in any case. The Constitution has not been amended as to the natural born requirement. However, if the Repubs can be deceived into electing a second ineligible, the Constitution becomes null and void, and all the damage O has done gets set in stone. There is no longer a “moral high ground” from which to challenge it.
dajjal says
while he has toed the party line on a few issues, such as trade agreements, Senator Cruz is conservative and not part of the establishment. He spoke truth to power, calling out McConnel as a liar on the floor of the senate. No CINO or establishment goon would do that. Check his ACU rating, if memory serves, its 96.
“natural born citizen” is not defined in the Constitution. The issue has not been conclusively settled by SCOTUS and will not be ‘cuz the courts consider it to be a political issue. The latest ruling in a lower court is that Cruz is eligible. numerous suits were brought questioning Obamination’s eligibility; all of them were tossed out, not one of them was considered on its merits and SCOTUS rejected the appeals.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Natural born WAS settled as the Founders intended, by SCOTUS over a century ago in at least 2different cases. It’s been “unsettled” again,by libs,who didn’t like the founders or SCOTUS’ designations, around O’s and now Cruz’ ineligibility to hold that office. As for Cruz’ “conservatism”, it’s a ROLE he’s playing in that grand Guignol we euphemistically call a Congress.. It’s ” bread and circuses”, nothing more.
dajjal says
Trump donated to the campaign warchests of Clinton, Weiner, Kerry, Pelosi, Reid & Schumer. What Conservative would do that? He was 100% pro abortion. He wanted Oprah for his VP. Cruz has a 96% ACU rating in the senate. The facts do not support your conclusions.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Naj: ‘Leaving them…weak in debate with muslims’.
Your scholarship is marvelous and impressive. My point was, why do we feel compelled to engage in ‘debate’ with muslims?
That’s letting them call the shots. It reminds me of what the marvelous Muhammad Ali used to say when asked why he was so often the winner in the ring. He said: ‘I make them fight my fight, and I never fight theirs.’
When you permit the other side to define the argument you’re going to lose, usually. And even if you win you’ve given them a victory by granting-even momentarily-the truth of their demands/argument.
We’ve seen the depredations of islam, now, for 15 years. The facts v them are overwhelming; you know the adage, ‘Not all muslims are terrorists but 99% of terrorism is committed by muslims.’ To me that’s the beginning and the end of the ‘debate’.
As for the insanity of ‘ISIS/Hezbollah/HAMAS/the Muslim Brotherhood/the PLO aren’t islamic’, well, the burden isn’t on us to prove that these organizations are islamic. Quite the reverse. Muslims bear the burden of disproving that. The side which has ‘the burden of proof’ has to work the hardest.
These savages have been humored by our logical, deferential Western culture, from the jump. Time to stop.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Thank-you, Kathy! I’ve been saying that for some time everywhere I post, about them, and libs alike. I reject PC as a communication form and speak plain English. But allowing any opponent to dictate the terms of conflict is a losing proposition from the start!
dajjal says
Chances of apostatizing a Muslim through debate or changing his attitude border on zero. But blog comments get spidered by search engines and can be included in search results if the right key words are used.
Letting Muslims bait us and put us on the defensive is not useful. But, if we point out the false assumptions and premises embedded in their comments & questions, we can score a few points with readers.
When we cite the Qur’an, hadith, exegesis and Islamic law in our debates with ‘slimes, we can educate other kuffar and show them where to look for more information.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Good points, Dajjal. I admit I’m much better versed in the Word of God, so generally stand there.
dajjal says
I have resources for you, Sandra: A slew of pdf files filled with quotes from and links to Islam’s canon. There are many good fact bombs you can hurl at Muslims. The blog post I am linking to in my nick has links to the files which you can download,, save, embed in blog posts and attach to emails.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Send me the links. I’ll look them over. sandralmeesmth46@gmail.com will reach me.
dajjal says
This is the prime stuff. In the Book List, the link to Ash-shifa is out dated, get it from the internet archive. Most of these were originally posted at Islam Exposed or Freedom Ain’t Free.
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/266724137/You-Are-Disqualified
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/266723965/Divorce
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/266723815/Marriage
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/266723563/Witness-Testimony
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/266723433/Honor-Icide
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/266723233/Shariah-Queers
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/266598134/Allah-is-Not-God
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/266575128/Misogyny
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/262005472/The-Defamation-of-Jesus-Christ
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/259351549/Two-State-Solution-Peace-in-a-Pig-s-Anus
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/254741668/Book-List
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/252004497/Reform-Reform-Islam-Islam
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/248670577/Common-Word-Deception
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/246704147/Islam-is-Demonic
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/232668510/Aisha-s-Age-of-Marriage
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/230663806/Islam-is-Intolerant
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/229081120/Innocence-of-Muslims-Revisited
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/228741966/Islam-is-Satanic
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/227418623/Islam-s-Mercenary-Mission-Updated
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/223292838/The-Defamation-of-Jesus-Christ
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/220586952/What-s-Wrong-With-Islam-Muslims
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/213423566/Hedaya-2-141-Annotated
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/212631107/Jihad-Defined-and-Exemplified-pUpdated
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/212627663/Hledaya-2-140-Annotated
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o https://www.scribd.com/doc/108500978/International-Qur-an-Petition
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/102062137/Female-Genital-Mutilation
o https://www.scribd.com/doc/101992355/Wife-Beating
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o https://www.scribd.com/doc/101512413/Shari-ah
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Ted Tyler says
Wow! Great work Jajjal. It will take many days for me to go through your references.
I see where Islam gets a lot of its inspiration for badness – the Old Testament. Check out http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/rape-in-the-bible/ We have to be aware of all this stuff – or a knowledgeable Islamic apologist would tear us apart in a debate.
dajjal says
The sequence of revelation is O.T > N.T. . Qur’an. Since he spoke last, Moe had the opportunity to fix anything wrong in the other texts. Instead, he doubled down on the evil stuff. We must always be ready to call out argumentum Tu-quoque whenever the Muslims pull it from their bag of dirty tricks.
Nothing in the Old or New Testaments subtracts anything from the evil of Islam. Once you are familiar with the scriptural basis of terrorism, you can demand that your Muslim interlocutor point out their functional equivalents in the N.T. He will not be able to do it; he can only cite metaphor and allegory out of context.
linnte says
Dajjal, that is good advice! Make the Muslim stick to the subject and he has no rebuttal.
dajjal says
Like herding cats: easier written than done.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Herding cats is a good analogy; I’ve tried both, and neither works well.
linnte says
Hello Sandra! I am learning more and more each day. Thank God! Having fun with getting little insights about Jesus!
Sandra Lee Smith says
Excellent, Linnte, that’s how we all learn and grow in Him; a little more each day. Listen to the Holy Spirit as you read; He’ll oprn things to you that your own natural understanding would never grasp, and keep doing so.
linnte says
I always wondered how the Word was with God in the beginning. Then one of Roberts bloggers(can’t remember his name) posted information for me about the Trinity and Genesis slammed me! God created man in his own image!!! How did I not SEE that before? Jesus was with God in the beginning, and it was his plan all along even before the first people came to be. Amazing! Hahahaha!
Sandra Lee Smith says
Exactly. Salvation was planned out and prepared for, before the first human was created too. The Father spoke and Jesus was the Word He spoke, the active Principle in creation. But human understanding alone never makes that connection. Like Peter responding to Jesus’ qestion about Who He was, the Holy Spirit gave you that insight to see., and He does that for all of us. You’ll see many things as you read that you’ll wonder how you never understood or saw before. I’m stiil having that experience, having read the entire Bible over a dozen times as well as studying various areas for years. So don’t expect to get it all the first time.
linnte says
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Sandra Lee Smith says
Tyler, this page you offer shows NO understanding of the BIble and Yhwh God Who inspired it at all! If you’re following this, I think you need to put it all aside and READ the BIble on its own merits!
Ted Tyler says
I am glad that so may of the people who post here are scholars – way smarter than me – and make many valuable contributions to the site.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Doesn’t take a scholar; just someone open to the Holy Spirit while reading the Word of Yhwh God to understand what He wrote there. And repetitive reading thereof.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Some of these are very easy, almost straight from the Bible; I know enough of Islam to discern that, clearly, simply comparing the character descriptions of each from their own holy books to refute that. Others I’ll need to read. But I bookmarked the page so I can; thanks Dajjal, for posting these!
dajja says
For pure scriptural comparison, try skeptic’s annotated Koran & Bible. For esoteric depth, use corpus quran which breaks verses down word by word with a dictionary & concordance.
Ted Tyler says
Dajja, I searched for “skeptic’s annotated Koran & Bible” looking for a side by side comparison, and found Skeptics Koran and Skeptics Bible – but not both together. Does side by side exist? Then I found a site called “Quora” in which a Muslim was attacking some anti-Islamic site. This looks like a potentially dangerous site. Do you know if this is a good site for information – or is it something that we should stay away from?
dajjal says
I have no knowledge of any side by side Bible/Koran If the Skeptic’s CD is in pdf format, you could search both books at once by putting them in a single folder.
Diane Dew has a side by side comparison of Christianity and Islam, Google will find it for you.
I have no knowledge of “Quora” , but a look at the Wikipedia page makes me think it is probably LibTarded. See Wikipedia for possible privacy issues. I can tell you that Yahoo Answers used to immediately censor questions about Islam.
Ted Tyler says
Dajjal, Thanks for the information.
I am now off to volunteer at the Boston Marathon. At the Marathon bombing, one of our running club members was hit by flying human body parts. Then, at a running club meeting later, she spontaneously broke down and cried. She left the meeting for a while with one of the other women comforting her. So how does Islam effect your day? Rhetorical. OK. Not all Muslims are terrorists. But then, not all dogs have rabies.
dajjal says
Dogs are not commanded to become rabid and attack us. In 8.12 Allah tells Muslims what to do ‘cuz he will cast terror. In 8.57 he prescribes harsh treatment for defeated victims to strike terror into those to be attacked next. In 8.60, he commands them to maximize military force to terrify prospective victims. In 9.120, he promises Brownie Points for acts of terrorism. 9/11 and the Boston Massacre were acts of Islamic worship.
Ted Tyler says
BTW, The woman who was hit by human body parts was not volunteering. She was running the Boston Marathon. Here is a link to photos of the Boston Marathon from 2013. http://jimrhoades.com/13/boston/
I did the photos at 15K.
linnte says
There’s a Qur’an that has a concordance? Wow! I need one!
dajjal says
Its a web site, not a book. This link will get you into one of the nasty parts.
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=9&verse=29
The individual words with blue foreground color are linked. Those linked pages show you the root word and its variants besides a list of all the ayat where the word is used.
linnte says
Thanks!
gravenimage says
Check out Robert Spencer’s “Blogging the Qur’an”, which is also excellent:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/quran-commentary
linnte says
I see your point Kathy! It’s a good point-not even qualifying Muhammad with an debate. So much to learn for me!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Hey Graven: Filthy Infidel Kathy here (thank you Sir. Thank you.)
Oh, what a post! You slay me! (no pun intended).
You covered all the bases I think. Oh-one thing. I was advised to ‘know peaceful muslims’. I didn’t get a chance to remark this but:
Some years ago my [late] husband and I were talking with some [peaceful] muslim friends. The topic of islamic terror arose and my husband said-in his inimitable way-‘Trouble is: We’re not sure you really don’t want to kill us.’
At this our peaceful friends became, well, extremely un-peaceful. In fact the man JUMPED up from his chair (this is a husband and wife I’m referencing) and went ballistic. ‘Don’t you understand?’ he yelled. ‘WE-WE-WE are afraid too! Because they will kill us too!’. This person went on to itemize all the things which would happen to him, his wife, and his children, if he EVER did anything whatever to combat islam.
My husband was intrigued. ‘Hell pal-why don’t you and your family get the hell out of that s_ _t hole then?’. To this our friend responded, ‘Because you cannot do it! It is death!’.
We beat a hasty retreat but not before my husband said, compassionately, while patting this guy on the shoulder, ‘Sucks to be you man.’
gravenimage says
Kathy Brown, Esq. wrote:
Hey Graven: Filthy Infidel Kathy here (thank you Sir. Thank you.)
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Hi, Kathy! I hope you know I was using ‘filthy Infidel’ tongue-in-cheek. By the way, I am a woman, not a sir. I take no offense, though.
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Oh, what a post! You slay me! (no pun intended).
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Thank you! I always look forward to reading your comments.
KCSanDiego is a nasty piece of work. He is a type of “stealth troll” who poses as an Anti-Jihadist, and takes things downhill from there.
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You covered all the bases I think. Oh-one thing. I was advised to ‘know peaceful muslims’. I didn’t get a chance to remark this but:
Some years ago my [late] husband and I were talking with some [peaceful] muslim friends. The topic of islamic terror arose and my husband said-in his inimitable way-‘Trouble is: We’re not sure you really don’t want to kill us.’
At this our peaceful friends became, well, extremely un-peaceful…
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I’ve had similar experiences–and not just fearful Muslims, but Muslims who seem quite reasonable until you mention Jihad terrorism, Jews, or the rights of women. Then the mask usually comes off…
Re your reply to Anna, below–my mother was English, and I still have my elderly aunt and a lot of cousins there. My mother and aunt served in the army as young women during WWII. My mother worked as a teletype operator for the Ministry of Information, and was one of the few people who originally saw the now famous “Keep Calm and Carry On” posters that were to be put up in the event of a Nazi invasion.
And my grandfather was a police superintendent in the West Midlands, long before they were overrun with invading Muslims.
It both breaks my heart and makes me incredibly angry over what is happening in Britain today. Our parents and grandparents didn’t fight the Fascists so that Albion could fall to the ravening Muslim hordes.
Glad to hear you teaching the First Amendment. I am more grateful every day that we have such protections–freedom of speech is the bedrock on which all other rights are predicated.
KCSanDiego says
Hi gravenimage!
You really need to lighten up! I came on this thread with an idea contrary to the other posters. It wasn’t even an original concept, but came from Nabeel Qureshi’s, latest book “Answering Jihad: A Better Way Forward.” Most posters on this thread would agree that Nabeel is a highly respected Christian apologist with a comprehensive handle on all things Islamic. I was rewarded by you and others with derision and a healthy sprinkling of insults and slurs. If you treat guests that way, they will simply leave you alone and you’ll be left in your own personal echo chamber.
I observed that you and others appear to see every Muslim as “the enemy”. If they are radicalized, kill them. If not, they must be engaging in taquiyya, so get in their face and confront them with Islam’s core teaching. Badger them until they submit to your all-powerful logic. I presented a list of derogatory names that you and your fellow posters labelled Ida (yes, she has a name), in an effort to show you that dehumanizing any human being into an object of derision is exactly what the Jihadist does! That is how he can cut the dirty kafir’s neck without flinching – it wasn’t as if he was murdering a fellow human after all. This practice isn’t original either – read about it in any college Psychology textbook.
Finally, you also commit the Muslim practice of takfir by labeling me a “stealth troll” posing as an Anti-Jihadist. The irony is thick. You are becoming that which you hate. My advice to you would be to purchase and read Nabeel’s book. Perhaps we could have an intelligent, thoughtful and respectful discussion after that. Until then!
Mirren10 says
I see stardusty psyche is back again, under the moniker KCSanDiego .
Same old tripe, same old MO.
KCSanDiego says
Really Mirren10? Et tu?
gravenimage says
Yet more from KCSanDiego:
Hi gravenimage!
You really need to lighten up!
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I consider atrocities like the Paris and Brussels attacks quite serious, and will not make light of them on the say-so of an apologist for evil.
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I came on this thread with an idea contrary to the other posters. It wasn’t even an original concept, but came from Nabeel Qureshi’s, latest book “Answering Jihad: A Better Way Forward.”…
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Last I saw, Nabeel Qureshi was not claiming that anyone who opposes violent Jihad is calling for genocide.
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I was rewarded by you and others with derision and a healthy sprinkling of insults and slurs. If you treat guests that way, they will simply leave you alone and you’ll be left in your own personal echo chamber.
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KCSanDiegeo is only a guest here the way any other poster on Jihad Watch is.
The idea that we should accept apologia for evil without comment is absurd.
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I observed that you and others appear to see every Muslim as “the enemy”. If they are radicalized, kill them. If not, they must be engaging in taquiyya, so get in their face and confront them with Islam’s core teaching. Badger them until they submit to your all-powerful logic.
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KCSanDiego is still claiming we want to mass-murder Muslims, which is just false.
And he is deliberately using Islamic phrasing here–that we are forcing Muslims to “submit” to us if we have a problem with them murdering us.
Actually, I have never thought it likely that we “filthy Infidels” can have much effect on changing the minds of most pious Muslims at all. The only thing that has ever worked historically is containment.
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I presented a list of derogatory names that you and your fellow posters labelled Ida (yes, she has a name), in an effort to show you that dehumanizing any human being into an object of derision is exactly what the Jihadist does!
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The idea that criticizing someone for showing no concern for the victims of Jihad terror, and instead flogging false victimization is “dehumanizing” is absurd.
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That is how he can cut the dirty kafir’s neck without flinching – it wasn’t as if he was murdering a fellow human after all. This practice isn’t original either – read about it in any college Psychology textbook.
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Islam much predates modern psychology, and dehumanizing both Infidels and any non-orthodox Muslims is the core of Islam.
Ida S Suandi – Al Shara is, in fact, perpetuating that dehumanizing when she evinces no concern for the victims of her coreligionists, but just considers the true victims Muslims who may get funny looks from frightened Infidels.
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Finally, you also commit the Muslim practice of takfir by labeling me a “stealth troll” posing as an Anti-Jihadist.
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The Islamic tenet of Takfir involves deeming a Muslim so “un-Islamic” that he is considered a virtual Infidel, and hence fair game for murder, just like any other Kaffir.
That KCSanDiego is claiming that I intend his murder is simply grotesque–it is, in fact, utter calumny.
But given he pretended that someone telling him to “take a long walk off a short pier” was a call for his death, I suppose I should not be surprised. Still incredibly ugly, though.
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The irony is thick. You are becoming that which you hate.
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The usual–that if we dare oppose Muslims killing us, that we are–somehow–the same as the murderous Jihadists.
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My advice to you would be to purchase and read Nabeel’s book. Perhaps we could have an intelligent, thoughtful and respectful discussion after that. Until then!
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I am quite familiar with his work. Here’s the very decent and civilized Nabeel Qureshi on the Paris attacks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_NOm8kWtRU
He does not ignore the victims of the attacks, nor does he ignore the fact that the victims were killed on the texts and tenets of Islam. Further, he does not pretend that the real victims of Jihad against the Infidels are Muslims getting funny looks.
After 9/11, he did what I did–he took a long, hard look at Islam to see if the Jihadists were acting on the ideas of Islam and the model of the “Prophet”, and even though he found it difficult to accept, he found that it was so.
KCSanDiego can pretend that Nabeel Qureshi’s reaction was no different from that of the false victim mongering Ida S Suandi – Al Shara, but that does not make if so.
gravenimage says
Mirren10 wrote:
I see stardusty psyche is back again, under the moniker KCSanDiego .
Same old tripe, same old MO.
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I knew he sounded familiar, Mirren! He was trolling extensively here about a year ago.
There’s some of his classic bs on this thread:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/06/texas-muslim-faces-charges-of-lying-to-fbi-about-allegiance-to-islamic-state
I’m not absolutely certain they are one and the same–but it does seem likely, Certainly, they are just the same kind of troll.
KCSanDiego says
Not me, sorry. Of course, there is no way I can prove it; you’ll just have to take my word for it. Paranoid much?
KCSanDiego says
Hi gravenimage!
You said:
Neither am I. This is a strawman you have claimed about me at least twice. Never said it — you made it up.
I have endeavored to treat everyone here with dignity and respect. I expect it in return. It is clear that, as Robert would say, your arguments are weak, otherwise you would not need to resort so quickly to ad hominem.
Actually, I wasn’t thinking of that specific wordplay at the time I wrote it. It is clever, though!
Hmmm. Kathy Brown, Esq. said:
Sounds clear to me. When challenged, she never took it back. Now, I’m not so naïve to assume that she seriously means it. But the whole point of my first post was to try to tease out exactly who our enemy is. Our enemy is the core ideology of Islam and those adherents that are out to kill us and/or drastically change our way of life (eg. sharia, dhimmitude, etc.) We should offer a measured response when challenged. For a selfish, whining hijab-wearing Singaporean mum, I’d hope the response should be a lot less drastic than what occurred on this thread. Robert’s direct response was simply “Good idea. Go.”
Criticism is OK, as are disagreement and “earnest” discussion. Labeling someone as a sub-human object is a real issue as it is how jihadists justify their actions. The fact that many here so quickly resort to it is disturbing.
The analogy of takfir breaks down in polite society, so I was actually claiming that you were calling me a hypocrite in that I feign to oppose jihad while defending it. And “take a long walk off a short pier” is a thinly veiled reference to the original “take a long walk off a short plank” as in “arggggh, there be pirates here!” While the first may be a bit amusing (assuming the victim can swim), the latter intends quite different results. Y’all *really, really* need to lighten up. I mean, I did respond in the original post with the smile/wink emoticon!
Same strawman. Your words, not mine.
But you are obviously unaware of the content of the referenced book. From your comments, it sounds like you are unwilling to investigate further. Sad, really.
So, since I’m not getting anywhere except to provide target practice for some unkind souls, I think I’ll take a sabbatical from this thread. Let the rejoicing and self-congratulation begin! I wish each and every one of you the very best.
Angemon says
KCSanDiego posted:
“I have endeavored to treat everyone here with dignity and respect.”
Yes, it was very dignifying of you the way how you went on pretending people here were calling the woman in question “sub-human”. Not to mention the respectful fashion you copied from the dawah playbook and tried to lecture Christians on their religion.
“Now, I’m not so naïve to assume that she seriously means it. ”
Of course, you only implied it in a dignified and respectful manner.
“ Labeling someone as a sub-human object is a real issue as it is how jihadists justify their actions. The fact that many here so quickly resort to it is disturbing.”
Again, no one here labelled her as “sub-human”. As I said: strawman level: OVER 9000!!!
“So, since I’m not getting anywhere except to provide target practice for some unkind souls, I think I’ll take a sabbatical from this thread. Let the rejoicing and self-congratulation begin! I wish each and every one of you the very best.”
Yes, it’s clear who here has the moral high ground and who only stopped by to fling their crap.
gravenimage says
KCSanDiego wrote:
Not me, sorry. Of course, there is no way I can prove it; you’ll just have to take my word for it. Paranoid much?
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KCSanDiego may or may not be Stardusty Psyche–we have had others of this ilk here before, including the egregious Americana. It hardly matters–they are of a type.
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Hi gravenimage!
You said:
Last I saw, Nabeel Qureshi was not claiming that anyone who opposes violent Jihad is calling for genocide.
Neither am I. This is a strawman you have claimed about me at least twice. Never said it — you made it up.
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This sort of bald-faced lie should surprise no one. KCSanDiego wrote, earlier on this very thread:
Kathy Brown, Esq.
OK, so by your logic we should round up 1.6 billion inhabitants, a full 25% of the world’s population, and murder them all
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/uk-hijabbed-muslima-worries-that-people-will-start-to-look-at-me-in-a-funny-way/comment-page-1#comment-1413825
But this is very much how this sort of troll operates; they hope we are simply not paying attention.
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The idea that we should accept apologia for evil without comment is absurd.
I have endeavored to treat everyone here with dignity and respect. I expect it in return. It is clear that, as Robert would say, your arguments are weak, otherwise you would not need to resort so quickly to ad hominem.
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Referring to apologia for evil as such is not an ad hominem. It is something good Anti-Jihadists here oppose every day.
And the idea that this sort of nastiness from him exemplifies “dignity and respect” is grimly laughable.
And pretending–of all things!–that Robert Spencer would agree with his vicious pandering against those who oppose Jihad here is just grotesque.
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Badger them until they submit to your all-powerful logic.
Actually, I wasn’t thinking of that specific wordplay at the time I wrote it. It is clever, though!
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Game playing is very much a part of this sort of troll’s MO, as well.
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KCSanDiego is still claiming we want to mass-murder Muslims, which is just false.
Hmmm. Kathy Brown, Esq. said:
Finally: The asininity of your we-should-never-ever-be-angry-at the ‘deceived adherent(s) born into the religion/culture’, is stupendous. Those are the people who ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO KILL US. And you are wrong, incalculably wrong, to say ‘it does no good to categorize 1.6 billion people…as lying pieces of offal.’ It does tremendous good! That is what you do to ‘the enemy’. You objectify them. You demonize them. You call them just ‘the enemy’ because you don’t even want to think of them as human. That is why we called the Nazis ‘Krauts’ and ‘Huns’; the Japanese ‘Japs’ and ‘Nips’. You know nothing, do you? Let me run it down for you. See: WE’RE the good guys. OUR men have to be TAUGHT to kill, and it doesn’t come easy to them. That’s because they/we are not: Nazis. Kamikazes. Muslims.
You have to do that because that’s how you kill them. Ask the Marines, the Army, Navy and Air Force.
Sounds clear to me. When challenged, she never took it back. Now, I’m not so naïve to assume that she seriously means it.
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Now KCSanDiego is pretending that Kathy Brown Esq was not serious in her opposition to Jihad.
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But the whole point of my first post was to try to tease out exactly who our enemy is.
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Not really–it was all about whitewash and apologia.
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Our enemy is the core ideology of Islam and those adherents that are out to kill us and/or drastically change our way of life (eg. sharia, dhimmitude, etc.)
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What does KCSanDiego mean by “our enemy”?
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We should offer a measured response when challenged. For a selfish, whining hijab-wearing Singaporean mum, I’d hope the response should be a lot less drastic than what occurred on this thread.
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A swerve like this is also not uncommon. Previously, KCSanDiego was pretending that Ida S. Suandi-Al Shara was a peace-loving Muslim strongly condemning Jihad violence. Once he realized that he was getting nowhere with this ludicrous claim, he is now changing tacks.
Now he is imply that we simply should not be allowed to take her fake victimhood seriously, and that if we do, we are being “drastic”.
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Robert’s direct response was simply “Good idea. Go.”
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Once again, KCSanDiego is pretending that Robert Spencer is in full agreement with his bs.
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The idea that criticizing someone for showing no concern for the victims of Jihad terror, and instead flogging false victimization is “dehumanizing” is absurd.
Criticism is OK, as are disagreement and “earnest” discussion. Labeling someone as a sub-human object is a real issue as it is how jihadists justify their actions. The fact that many here so quickly resort to it is disturbing.
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More and more of the same–that if we oppose Jihad that we are “dehumanizing” Muslims, and that opposing Jihad violence makes us just as bad as violent Jihadists.
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The Islamic tenet of Takfir involves deeming a Muslim so “un-Islamic” that he is considered a virtual Infidel, and hence fair game for murder, just like any other Kaffir.
That KCSanDiego is claiming that I intend his murder is simply grotesque–it is, in fact, utter calumny.
But given he pretended that someone telling him to “take a long walk off a short pier” was a call for his death, I suppose I should not be surprised. Still incredibly ugly, though.
The analogy of takfir breaks down in polite society, so I was actually claiming that you were calling me a hypocrite in that I feign to oppose jihad while defending it.
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No–I don’t consider KCSanDiego a hypocrite at all. He is feigning opposition to Jihad in order to insult Anti-Jihadists and undermine actual opposition to Jihad.
This is, of course, a very different matter.
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And “take a long walk off a short pier” is a thinly veiled reference to the original “take a long walk off a short plank” as in “arggggh, there be pirates here!” While the first may be a bit amusing (assuming the victim can swim), the latter intends quite different results. Y’all *really, really* need to lighten up. I mean, I did respond in the original post with the smile/wink emoticon!
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Still at it. Kathy Brown Esq was not calling for this poster’s death, no matter how far back he wants to take the origins of this phrase.
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The usual–that if we dare oppose Muslims killing us, that we are–somehow–the same as the murderous Jihadists
Same strawman. Your words, not mine.
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KCSanDiego has been at this all over this threat–including in the very post I am currently replying to.
This is, in fact, *very* common–pretending that Anti-Jihadists are morally the same as Jihadists themselves. A stock way of attempting to undermine any opposition to savagery.
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I am quite familiar with his work. Here’s the very decent and civilized Nabeel Qureshi on the Paris attacks…
But you are obviously unaware of the content of the referenced book. From your comments, it sounds like you are unwilling to investigate further. Sad, really.
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Also very common–it is like saying that we cannot criticize Islam unless we have read the Qur’an, and then if we have, that it does not count unless we read it in the original classical Arabic.
That I am–and have proven–that I am quite familiar with Nabeel Qureshi’s work is now no longer enough–I must read his latest book and be able to provide him with direct quotes, or else I am not fit to comment.
By the time I had read this book and had citations at the ready, of course, KCSanDiego would be on to some other supposedly necessary hoop to jump through.
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So, since I’m not getting anywhere except to provide target practice for some unkind souls, I think I’ll take a sabbatical from this thread. Let the rejoicing and self-congratulation begin! I wish each and every one of you the very best.
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Also very common. He is getting nowhere here, and so declares us all “unkind souls” for daring to oppose Jihad.
Let’s hope he is not just decamping from this thread–but time will tell on that count.
Champ says
Graven wrote:
KCSanDiegeo is only a guest here the way any other poster on Jihad Watch is.
The idea that we should accept apologia for evil without comment is absurd.
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Brava, Graven!! Exactly, we are all “guests” on Jihad Watch, and we’re all at liberty to respond to what others write any way we see fit.
gravenimage says
True, Champ–we are all Robert Spencer’s guests here.
gravenimage says
Oh, and Kathy–I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your husband. He sounds like a great guy.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Thank you Ma’am. I’m happy to take the gender correction, if for no other reason than to counter the imponderably twisted Left, which likes to argue that gender does not exist…(!?)
And no, no: I was very flattered to be called ‘Filthy Infidel’! In fact I just ordered some T-Shirts bearing precisely that legend (inter alia). In that manner I shall employ our magnificent 1st even w/o speaking!
On another matter: Seems like the individual you were addressing constantly fears others are trying to kill him; or at least incite him to suicide. Alas! When I was a nurse I worked in [locked] psych wards. Many of my patients thought that very thing. However, Haldol and other psychotropics did wonders…
Thank you for sharing the English connection. What an extraordinary country and people. And I will tell you: I think precisely the very thing you mentioned-that our fathers (and both my uncles) did NOT risk their lives when in their teens, to now have us surrender Western civilization to worse-than-Nazis-and-Japs. No. Absolutely, emphatically, not.
Always a pleasure to read your posts here Graven.
gravenimage says
Kathy Brown, Esq. wrote:
Thank you Ma’am. I’m happy to take the gender correction, if for no other reason than to counter the imponderably twisted Left, which likes to argue that gender does not exist…(!?)
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Gender *definitely* does exist–but it tells us nothing about competence or strength, obviously.
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And no, no: I was very flattered to be called ‘Filthy Infidel’! In fact I just ordered some T-Shirts bearing precisely that legend (inter alia). In that manner I shall employ our magnificent 1st even w/o speaking!
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Those T-shirts sound great! I just did a search for “Infidel T-shirts” and was thrilled to see how many are available–including ones in girly-girl pink. Lots more people waking up to the Jihad threat.
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On another matter: Seems like the individual you were addressing constantly fears others are trying to kill him; or at least incite him to suicide. Alas! When I was a nurse I worked in [locked] psych wards. Many of my patients thought that very thing. However, Haldol and other psychotropics did wonders…
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I have a slightly different take on this, Kathy–I don’t think KCSanDiego really thinks anyone here is seeking his death; I think he just believes that if he can absurdly present Jihad Watch readers as a bunch of homicidal maniacs that he can undermine the legitimacy of our opposition to Jihad.
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Thank you for sharing the English connection. What an extraordinary country and people. And I will tell you: I think precisely the very thing you mentioned-that our fathers (and both my uncles) did NOT risk their lives when in their teens, to now have us surrender Western civilization to worse-than-Nazis-and-Japs. No. Absolutely, emphatically, not.
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I agree with you about England. We owe the mother country a great deal.
And every generation has to reaffirm our values and our freedoms. I just hope we rise to the occasion.
Certainly, the free West was slow–almost too slow–in waking up to the threat of Fascism.
Churchill is cited–though this may be a misattribution–as saying “Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing…after they have exhausted all other possibilities.”
I hope all of the West finally stands up together–we have a great society and values to defend.
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Always a pleasure to read your posts here Graven.
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Same to you!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Anna: Thank you! I can truly say that it was my pleasure to prosecute them. And no: The prof. hasn’t reverted to normalcy. She’s discovered that she gets to be a much more effective bully dressed in the garments of islam.
I’m going to print out your quote-about not having a 1st Amendment-and show it to my American History class. I’ve been teaching the 1st recently, and emphasizing that the Founders made it the ‘First’ Amendment (out of 10) because it was/is the most important. As you know we are unique as a nation in having it; and further unique in that our 2d Amendment vests us with the right to bear arms.
What is happening in England breaks my heart.
My [late first] husband was an Englishman who served in the RAF. We spent time in England and I grew to love it almost as much as my own country. And if Brian was alive today he’d be apoplectic. Then he’d break down and cry. His father flew Spitfires in WWII in the Battle of Britain. When Brian was a tiny baby in ’45 he had to be taken out of London (they lived in Staines) to the countryside, with his brother, to escape the bombing…
Still Anna: Until I actually see-God forbid-the UK flying the ISIS flag and being dhimmified by the savages? I’ll never believe that England is lost. You are the people who held off Hitler for 2 yrs. straight. Utterly alone. Enduring the Blitz. I believe with all my heart that you-like us!-will turn from your present insanity and throw off the muslim coil.
God bless you, Anna, and your wonderful, exceptional country. ‘Britons never ever ever will be slaves.’
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Linnte: I’ve got a few suggestions for ‘what to do’ with your knowledge of the hell that is islam.
The Muslim Student Association (‘MSA’) has a Facebook page for every single college in the USA. They are a branch of Hamas, Hezbollah, and CAIR.
Google the colleges in your area. Then, go to the college’s website and search ‘MSA’. When it comes up, go to their Facebook page and POST HONEY.
This shakes them up, and often they’ll threaten you with violence, which is when they get taken down (if they don’t get taken down by Facebook, you contact FB with the threatening post, and ask them to take it down).
When this happens? The other muslims on the page go ballistic. So then THEY threaten you and…so it goes.
It is very important for these liars not to go unchallenged. Give it a try. I recommend this highly.
linnte says
Beautiful, wonderful, excellent! Hahahaha! Thanks Kathy!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Linnte: Do you know how many people, when viewing my suggestions, would NEVER respond as you have?
Ah…but that’s what makes us Americans.
You’ve got guts, as do all of us here. That’s because we draw our strength from The Source of it all, Jesus Christ.
God bless you dear Linnte. And I must add: Just think how bad things have gotten-we have to have COURAGE to disagree with people? Well yeah: But only if they’re MUSLIMS.
linnte says
Ahh, the tales I could tell you about having courage in my life! It’s been a long row to hoe. But your idea is excellent and I WILL do it. Haha! Starting with the University’s here in Oregon. Then the Community colleges. Onward and outward. Thanks and pray I get just the right words from Jesus! 🙂
linnte says
And it dawned on me…I will start by rewriting some classic Quranic verses. Tweaking them just a tad. Start the debate that way and raise the flag of FREEDOM yaaaahooooo!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Dear Linnte: I don’t want you to worry, ever, about how to speak truth to muslims. Because your Savior and mine has got that covered: ‘Take ye no thought how, or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say; for the Holy Ghost shall teach ye in that same hour, what ye shall say.’ Luke 12-10
linnte says
Luke. I will look that up. Thanks again!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Mirren: Can’t believe one of the individuals here had the gall to say to you, ‘Et tu?’. As if YOU’RE the worst thing here; the ultimate betrayer…
In the midst of the carnage that is islam, you’re the worst apparently. For calling out a troll!
Incredible. Right up there with the muslims.
Mirren10 says
Hi, Kathy, hope you’re doing well.
”Mirren: Can’t believe one of the individuals here had the gall to say to you, ‘Et tu?’. As if YOU’RE the worst thing here; the ultimate betrayer … ”
I think what pissed off ‘KCSanDiego’ the most was my outing his previous persona of ‘stardusty psyche’. He must have thought he’d successfully produced a new ‘style’ 🙂
If you remember his last appearances here, before he was banned by Robert for barfaced lying, you, graven, Jack Diamond, Angemon, myself, and others, tore him to shreds.
Notice that this time he’s swiftly decamped ! 🙂
Mirren10 says
That should be ”barefaced” . 🙂
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
I knew that Mirren.
And I’d never have connected the two, Stardusky with KC, but I think you are right. He did decamp. They all do. They have no facts, only taqqiya.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Naj, Sandra: I believe Cruz is a good candidate for president. If Trump doesn’t get the nomination, I would certainly vote for him.
Trump is my choice. I very much want to return to the Founder’s concept: ‘Citizen legislators’. And he’s the only one who talks turkey about the muslims.
I don’t care for the hysterical rhetoric during the campaign season tho’. I don’t like the candidates carrying on as they do; and I wish there was more respect expressed among conservatives, for each others’ choices. I wouldn’t dream of lecturing either of you, for example, on why you should vote differently! I respect you both, and I believe you’ve both chosen your candidate thoughtfully.
And now good night to all.
gravenimage says
Yes–none of the candidates are perfect–they are all seriously flawed. But both Cruz and Trump–though I don’t think either of them knows much about Islam itself–have taken tough stances against Jihad violence and the ones who perpetrate it. That’s a lot better than we have now.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Najj: I feel it is an honor to have a scholar of your depth and brilliance on this site.
To me, people like you are proof positive that the muslims will never, ever WIN. Because ordinary people like you rise up, and say, ‘No’. In fact, you say: ‘Hell no!’
Almighty God has given each and every one of us gifts. We all just show up on sites like this; and we spend heaven knows how much time and money and heart, working to defeat the hell that is islam.
Thank you Sir!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Linnte: You will never, ever ‘make the muslim stick to the argument.’ Never.
Think ‘Leftist’. You can never ever make them ‘stick to the argument’, either.
Neither of these types ever respond to rationality. Rationality is their enemy. So when you confront them with facts-however irrefutable!-they go to 1. Insults and 2. Victimhood.
The only way to ‘make them stick to the argument’ is to put them on the stand where-if they won’t answer-they go to jail for contempt!
The truth has no power whatever over muslims.
linnte says
I can debate with Leftists, and well. Muslims are a new challenge and I am already hip to how well they totally ignore a blatant, straightforward yes or no question. They tick me off so BAD! hahahaha! Where I live, I don’t think I will ever have a chance t arguing with any Muslim, and that’s kind of depressing! Ha! But, I know you are correct. Thanks Kathy.
dajja says
Agreed: herding cats & snakes is impossible. But experts can pin down Muslims and make them squirm. Geller, Spencer, Steyn & Wood are good models to follow.
In Facebook & Twitter, Muslims will eventually try to get us banned. The more passionate will sink to sexual innuendo, profanity & threats.
Study logical fallacies, practice sussing out unstated false premises and be quick to point out diversionary tactics.
Bear this in mind: we will not apostatize most Muslims, but we can educate other kuffar in the trial.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Apropos of the license plate post: some years ago I had an extraordinary experience with an illegal vis a vis my bumper sticker:
I lived in Kansas City at that time and was a member of ‘The Minutemen’, an anti-illegal alien organization. My sticker said ‘SECURE OUR BORDERS’ and had an image of a colonial American, holding a cell phone (the inference was that one should report illegals).
One day while driving in broad daylight, a driver behind me sped up as if to crash into my car several times. He’d brake at the last minute. However he drove me off the road, while screaming obscenities out his window and making obscene gestures.
I was shaking like a leaf. However: I got back on the road. I then saw him turn into a Radisson Hotel. I followed his car, got his license plate and called the cops.
When they arrived I told them the guy was inside the hotel. The officers then ascertained that this lunatic was an employee there! He was a Somali-here illegally-who’d taken offense to my sticker. I pressed charges and we went to court. Turned out this madman had several OTHER charges (of course), and he was sent to jail for 3 months.
I spoke of this experience at one of our ‘Minutemen’ meetings. Incredibly, one of our own MEMBERS actually suggested that I remove the bumper sticker since it was ‘dangerous’ (this member was a true patriot who was concerned with my safety).
My response was visceral and immediate. ‘He can kiss my a_s! My father and uncles risked their lives in WWII for our Freedom of Speech, among other things! I’ll be darned and double-darned if I conform MY behavior to THEIR objections!’
So I’m betting I’ll have some tales to tell once I affix my new ‘9/11’ sticker. As bad as the illegals are, nobody’s as violent as the muslims. .
Sandra Lee Smith says
Kathy, that dude was likely both. We have a lot of them crossing our border down here in AZ and have had for years, from all over the Muslim world, including Somalia. And I agree with your stand. The only way to stop bullies is to stand up to them, whether individuals or nations. I have no intention of cowering for these overblown bully cowards either.!
Angemon says
‘Love your spirit, Kathy, and I’m glad you went through it unscathed.
gravenimage says
Good for you, Kathy!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
100% Sandra! He was indeed both muslim and illegal. That came out in Court; he tried this ‘I’m a muslim’ garbage so as to intimidate the Judge. Didn’t work. She threw him in the slammer.
And this is the importance of Robert’s/Pam’s organizations. We’re at the grassroots level, ordinary Americans. But if you can say ‘I’m an ordinary American’, well, you’ve said a lot! We’re the exact same people who stood up to England-the greatest power in the world at that time. And we’re continuing the tradition.
Be sure to read the incredible ‘Chebucto’ School article here, and see the video. It concerns Canada; but this is worldwide what’s going on. I spoke to some French priests of ours who are over here in the
USA and honestly, what they have to say gives you fits.
And omigosh: Kudos to you and all our fellow Americans living right at the border. Several of our ‘Minutemen’ members went down there on numerous occasions. It’s a hellhole.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Two of my forebears are among those ordinary Americans who stood up to the English crown’s army, so I guess I got their spirit; and THIS isn’t what I served for either, nor any of those between those first 2 and me or my kid sister, who also served!
The AZ border has been like that the entire 35+ years I’ve lived in this state! Some of our LEOs have tried to stem the flow; but the Feds keep suing us for it!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Wow Sandra! Military AND descended from the colonials? We’re in the presence of royalty here folks!
Of course you/your family didn’t serve for this. Neither did my Dad and uncles; nor all our extraordinary vets. And what a spectacle as you say: Obama suing the states, over a state law only enacted because HE won’t enforce FEDERAL immigration law!
And the talking heads on the tube wonder why Trump is off the charts and Cruz not terribly far behind, am I right? That’s because they’re idiot dimwits whose patriotism you could stuff into a cocktail olive. And their knowledge of the enemy? That would fit in my eye.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Not royalty, just a long line of American patriots. I think they know more than they let on, but ignore it. The agenda is ALL that matters. So they cover up truth that doesn’t fit the agenda. Their allegiance is to globalism, not America; to the NWO, not nationalism or the attendant patriotism. Thing is, they have either not thought through where that must go, as it has done with every past attempt at a single world government, or they still believe they’re smarter than God and can make it work this time (insanity). Either way, we’re all going to be hurt badly before this comes to an end, unless Jesus calls His own out before it all falls apart.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
‘They have…not thought through where that must go…’
The inability/refusal of the left to use logic and rationality, increases with each passing day. A short compendium:
1. Leftist feminists champion islam. Islam unequivocally subjugates-present tense-women more horrifically than ANY preceding western institutions-past tense-ever have. Islamic female disenfranchisement is ongoing, unchanged from that of the 7th century. The western version of that is…wait. There is no ‘is’ there. The West has undergone the reformation of that, and it no longer exists.
2. Leftist so-called ‘LGBT’ organizations champion islam. Islam calls for the death of anyone who identifies as homosexual, lesbian, etc.
3. Leftist ‘democratic’ political thought champions islam. Islam calls for the death of: Democracy, Free Speech, religious freedom and individual self-determination.
Now I have spent more time than anyone should in the bastions of leftist ‘thought’, our institutions of ‘higher learning’. I have attended the classes, heard the speakers, participated in the ‘discussions/debates’ and interviewed/questioned the presidents/Boards of Trustees of these places. I have pursued the student complaints, and conducted hearings on said complaints. And I can tell you w/o qualification Sandra: The vast majority of the [student] imbeciles are ignorant of ANY knowledge which countervails the party line. The vast majority of the [‘professor’/’instructor’] morons have ‘heard of’ [opposing] conservative theory but have never examined that in anything like a thoughtful manner.
So they are ignorant; not just by choice, but by fiat. In other words-but for our legal prosecution of religious/free speech suppression-they do not permit counter speech. Thus it is rarely heard.
Now Obama and his admin. and like-thinkers are in this latter category. Until his administration, it was not possible to find a leftist echo-chamber outside of our colleges. Since his election, that echo chamber has been taken on the road.
Sandra Lee Smith says
Okay, I’ll buy that; it fits what I can observe fully. Doesn’t alter the fact that they’re alldeluded and belong in what used to be called State Hospitals, of which I can name several. A genuine psychotic makes more sense on a bad day than the average leftist today does on his best days!