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UK: Muslim “anti-radicalization expert” says murdered Ahmadi “not real Muslim”

Apr 17, 2016 6:41 pm By Robert Spencer

Shiraz Maher is one of a large group of “moderate” Muslims in the UK who pretend that the core texts and teachings of Islam are peaceful, and fool the UK government and media into thinking that therefore jihadis can be “de-radicalized” once they’re introduced to the true, peaceful teachings of Islam.

Apologies for the personal note, but actually this isn’t really personal: Maher is also one of a group of “moderate” Muslims in the UK, a group that also includes Usama Hasan and Maajid Nawaz, who have been viciously abusive and arrogant toward me personally on Twitter. Once Maher challenged me to name five Muslims I admired; I told him I wasn’t going to jump through his hoops and didn’t need to prove myself to him, but then supplied him with five names anyway (people such as Ahmed Assid). Maher nonetheless dishonestly trumpeted this as evidence substantiating his claim that I hated all Muslims. In reality, all my work has been in defense of the freedom of speech and the equality of rights of all people before the law — and in light of that I continue to believe that any Muslim who believes in those principles will have no objection to my work.

That Maher, Hasan and Nawaz profess to stand against everything I stand against, and to stand for everything I stand for, and yet still go out of their way to excoriate me, makes me doubt their sincerity and good intentions. And in this case, Maher apologized “for his ‘ill-advised and misjudged’ comments ‘given the circumstances of Asad Shah’s murder and the political context thereafter,'” and “told the Sunday Times that he had often said Ahmadis should not be targeted for their beliefs.” Yet he also knows, and knows very well, that Ahmadis are persecuted in Pakistan, Indonesia and elsewhere because they’re considered non-Muslims, and so his words could easily be taken as incitement to violence against Ahmadis. But don’t be concerned: he is a “moderate”!

Shiraz Maher

“Top expert on Islamist radicalisation is investigated by university for saying slain Muslim shopkeeper was ‘not a real Muslim,'” by Julian Robinson, MailOnline, April 17, 2016:

A top expert on Islamist radicalisation is being investigated for saying that a slain Muslim shopkeeper was ‘not a real Muslim’, it has been reported.

Shiraz Maher, a researcher at King’s College London, wrote on Facebook that he does not ‘regard Ahmadis as Muslims’ – days after a taxi driver admitted killing Asad Shah because he ‘disrespected’ Islam’.

Mr Shah, part of the Ahmadiyya community, was knifed to death in his shop in what was feared at the time to have been a sectarian attack against the peace-loving branch of Islam he followed.

Earlier this month, taxi driver Tanveer Ahmed, accused of his murder, said through his lawyer that he killed the much-loved family man because he had claimed to be ‘a prophet’.

Days later Mr Maher, a senior research fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation, reportedly wrote on Facebook: ‘I really wonder if I’m missing something here but I don’t regard Ahmadis as Muslim.’

According to Richard Kerbaj of the Sunday Times, the Sunni Muslim added: ‘Obviously this does not mean I think they should be persecuted or suffer for their beliefs … yes, condemn the murder and, more long term, suck up the heat out of Muslim hostilities directed towards them but that still doesn’t mean that they should then be accepted as Muslim.’

The newspaper reports that he has since apologised for his ‘ill-advised and misjudged’ comments ‘given the circumstances of Asad Shah’s murder and the political context thereafter’.

He told the Sunday Times that he had often said Ahmadis should not be targeted for their beliefs….

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  1. Angemon says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    A top expert on Islamist radicalisation is being investigated for saying that a slain Muslim shopkeeper was ‘not a real Muslim’, it has been reported.

    Shiraz Maher, a researcher at King’s College London, wrote on Facebook that he does not ‘regard Ahmadis as Muslims’ – days after a taxi driver admitted killing Asad Shah because he ‘disrespected’ Islam’.

    OK, the victim was not a “real” muslim. How about the attacker? Because that’s what we usually hear when a muslim attacks or kills someone “not a real muslim”.

    • linnte says

      Apr 17, 2016 at 8:23 pm

      Perfect thougbt! The KILLER was a Muslim. This Maher is basically diverting the real issue, which is a Muslim murdered someone savagly and predetermined!

      • Shane says

        Apr 18, 2016 at 10:33 am

        Liberal dhimmi fools lap up this nonsense about Islam being a peaceful religion because they view Muslims as their allies against their common enemies – Christians and the West. These fools just can’t understand that the Muslims will turn on them when they get more powerful.

        • Jay Boo says

          Apr 18, 2016 at 10:52 am

          Liberal dhimmi fools tend to be spiteful cowardly back-stabbers.

          Such people are willing to grovel and appease Muslims and to throw us all under the bus in a futile attempt to save themselves.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 19, 2016 at 9:43 pm

        He’s also implying that it does not matter about the victim, because he was not a real Muslim–in other words, no better than a “filthy Infidel”.

        • linnte says

          Apr 19, 2016 at 11:45 pm

          It is SICK isn’t it?

    • Anne Smith says

      Apr 18, 2016 at 5:38 am

      This is all red herring stuff. Whether he was a “real” Muslim or an infidel or a Mormon or an atheist doesn’t really matter. What matters is that he was murdered and that is against the law whatever his faith.

      Bring back the death penalty for murderers.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 19, 2016 at 9:44 pm

        It does not matter to civilized people–but it does matter to supremacist Muslims.

  2. RCAVictor says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    How can our politicians and newspapers keep saying this is a religion of peace when everywhere they are in the world is beset with violence?

  3. sidney penny says

    Apr 17, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    “In reality, all my work has been in defense of the freedom of speech and the equality of rights of all people before the law — and in light of that I continue to believe that any Muslim who believes in those principles will have no objection to my work.”

    “Any Muslim who believes in those principles will have no objection to my work.”

    The key to everything -should be repeated at every talk and interview.

  4. Jay Boo says

    Apr 18, 2016 at 12:28 am

    All Muslims are annoyingly smug asses.
    Shiraz Maher like many Muslims feels privileged because pious prayer duty deeds.
    Please inform the Muslim world that Islam is still not a religion.
    Sex-slaver Muhammad’s made up dreams were not real revelations.
    They were child rapist perversions.

  5. Baucent says

    Apr 18, 2016 at 1:26 am

    ‘I really wonder if I’m missing something here but I don’t regard Ahmadis as Muslim.’

    What he was “missing” is he had forgot to engage his deception filter and was for once plainly speaking as a sunni supremacist. Major slip up Maher, as that attitude is central to so called “radicalisation” that you “study” no doubt at the British taxpayer’s expense.

  6. Lexa456 says

    Apr 18, 2016 at 2:06 am

    No wonder that Ahmadiyya Muslims are rejected by the Islamic world. Because this is a (if not the only) quite moderate influence in Islam.

    Real Muslim, not real Muslim. I can no longer read or hear the crap. WHAT THE HELL MAKES A MUSLIM A REAL MUSLIM? Why doesn’t the Islamic community finally define the one and only “REAL Muslim” so all their fellow Muslims finally know to which religion image they must adhere…

    Oh, oops, it’s impossible. Otherwise you run the risk of being punished by the “real TRUE Muslims” for leaving Islam. Filthy cowards and hypocrites.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 19, 2016 at 9:47 pm

      They aren’t entirely moderate–Ahmadi still believe in imposing brutal Shari’ah law. But they don’t believe in waging violent Jihad in order to do so–so this makes them far too “moderate” for orthodox Muslims.

  7. roger says

    Apr 18, 2016 at 3:01 am

    Islam is playing a very clever game of chess with the western world, and they are winning because the leftist idiots in the west are giving up their best game pieces.

  8. mortimer says

    Apr 18, 2016 at 7:08 am

    Shiraz Maher is apparently considered moderate because he wears a business suit and a tie, instead of the standard attire of devout Pakistanis.

    I wonder if he has outlined how his so-called moderate views differ from standard, discriminatory Sharia law…if at all.

    So is his ‘moderate’ apparence jihad by another means?

  9. Bob says

    Apr 18, 2016 at 9:51 am

    Moderate Muslim = oxymoron…

  10. wildibll2u says

    Apr 18, 2016 at 12:38 pm

    So Maher thought the murder was simply a mistake by a religious Mulim who really intended to kill a member of some sect the killer believed was apostate.
    And Maher didn’t really criticize the religious belief behind the attack. Just the mistake.

    That doesn’t help the man who was murdered very much. Or his family.

  11. wallace says

    Apr 18, 2016 at 3:42 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/18/scottish-muslim-groups-ahmadi-anti-extremism-campaign-launch-glasgow

    • linnte says

      Apr 18, 2016 at 7:08 pm

      Thanks for the article Wallace.

  12. Mockingjay says

    Apr 18, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    I’ve grown convinced these anti/de-radicalization muslims are all lying snakes since I came to know of a case of one who is now under investigation of actually assisting some Jihadis (with false testimonies of good behaviour) get to Syria instead of stopping them, as he supposedly was.

  13. gravenimage says

    Apr 19, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    UK: Muslim “anti-radicalization expert” says murdered Ahmadi “not real Muslim”
    ……………………

    Let’s say a member of a group some mainstream Christians deemed to be rather fringe were murdered–like, say, a Mormon or a Unitarian or a Jehovah’s Witness*–can you imagine their first reaction on seeing the headline “Christian murdered” would be to denounce the victim as not a real Christian?

    I know I can’t. The likely reaction would be “poor man”, and a vow to pray for him.

    Really, this is just intended to devalue the worth of the victim–in fact, it implies that his murder was justified.

    (*please note, I am *not* making a case about these groups, or any others, as to whether or not they should be considered real Christians–this is merely an example)

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