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EgyptAir jet crash a “brutal event” and “almost certainly a terror attack”

May 19, 2016 9:16 am By Robert Spencer

If it was “almost certainly a terror attack,” then it was almost certainly jihad. The IRA and the Tamil Tigers and American “right-wing extremists” aren’t taking down too many EgyptAir planes.

EgyptAir

“EgyptAir jet went into a ‘sharp spin’ and fell 22,000ft before vanishing from radar says Greek defence minister – as air safety chief says crash was ‘almost certainly a terror attack,'” by Wills Robinson, Stephanie Linning and Simon Tomlinson, MailOnline, May 19, 2016:

Debris has been found in the search for the EgyptAir plane that crashed into the Mediterranean Sea with 66 people on board after the jet went into a sudden spin and plunged 22,000ft before vanishing off the radar.

Flight MS804 came down near the Greek island of Karpathos ten miles into Egyptian airspace at around 00.30am GMT without making a distress call.

It departed Charles De Gaulle Airport in Paris at 9.09pm GMT last night and was scheduled to arrive at Cairo Airport at 1.15am GMT.

Greek defence minister Panos Kammenos said the Airbus A320 made ‘sudden swerves’ mid-air, lurching 90 degrees to the left then 360 degrees to the right as it fell out of the sky.

He said the plane dropped from 37,000 feet to 15,000ft before the signal was lost at around 10,000 feet.

The revelation came after a former air accident chief said all the evidence was pointed to the plane being targeted in a terrorist attack.

Egyptian Civil Aviation Minister Sherif Fathi also says the possibility of a terror attack as the cause of the EgyptAir crash is ‘stronger’ than technical failure.

The 56 passengers on board included one Briton, 30 Egyptians, 15 French, one Belgian, one Iraqi, one Kuwaiti, one Saudi Arabian, one Chadian, one Portuguese, one Algerian and one Canadian. There were 10 crew members including three security guards.

Jean-Paul Troadec, the former chief of the BEA national investigation unit, said the lack of a live emergency alert suggested a ‘brutal event’.

He told Europe 1 radio station in Paris: ‘A technical problem, a fire or a failed motor do not cause an instant accident and the team has time to react.

‘The team said nothing, they did not react, so it was very probably a brutal event and we can certainly think about an attack.’

His comments came after a merchant ship captain reported seeing a ‘flame in the sky’ over the Mediterranean.

ISIS has been waging a deadly insurgency against Egyptian security forces and last October claimed the bombing of a Russian airliner flying home holidaymakers from the Egyptian resort of Sharm El-Sheikh which killed all 224 people on board.

The flight was the aircraft’s fifth of the day, having also flown to the Eritrean capital of Asmara, the Tunisian capital Tunis and Brussels in Belgium.

French President Francois Hollande said nothing had been ruled out about the cause of the crash.

Speaking at the Elysee Palace in Paris, he said: ‘When we have the truth we need to draw all the conclusions. At this stage, we must give priority to solidarity toward the families (of the victims).’

The Paris prosecutor’s office has opened an investigation into the accident.

The prosecutor said in a statement that its collective accident department opened the investigation with the national gendarme service, adding that ‘no hypothesis is favoured or ruled out at this stage’.

In the minutes and hours after the crash, devastated relatives gathered at Charles De Gaulle and Cairo Airports, weeping and comforting each other as waited for news of their loved ones.

The British Foreign Office said it was in contact with the family of a British national who was feared dead.

The Airbus A320 left the French capital’s Charles De Gaulle Airport at 9.09pm GMT last night before coming down off the Greek island of Karpathos ten miles into Egyptian airspace at around 00.30am GMT.

EgyptAir first reported on the disappearance of the flight, tweeting: ‘An informed source at EGYPTAIR stated that Flight no MS804, which departed Paris at 9.09pm (GMT) heading to Cairo, has disappeared from radar.’…

Air traffic controllers tried to contact the pilot again at 00.27am for the handover of the plane to Cairo’s area of responsibility, but ‘despite repeated calls, the aircraft did not respond’.

Air traffic control called on the emergency frequency and again there was no response.

At 00.29am GMT, the aircraft was over the exit point of the Athens FIR, and at 00.29.40am GMT, it vanished from radar.

The Greek authority said the military was asked for help in case the plane could be located on a military radar, but there was no sign of it.

Search and rescue operations then kicked in 00.45am.

Egypt’s state-run newspaper Al-Ahram quoted an airport official as saying the pilot did not send a distress call and that last contact with the plane was made 10 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

EgyptAir said the plane sent an emergency signal, possibly from an emergency beacon attached to the plane, at 2.26am GMT two hours after it vanished.

In water crashes, an underwater beacon attached to the aircraft’s flight recorders starts to emit a signal or ping which helps search and rescue teams to locate the crash and find the black boxes.

A French security source told the Telegraph: ‘We cannot rule out the possibility of a terrorist attack.’…

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  1. John Galt III says

    May 19, 2016 at 9:30 am

    Brain Dead People;

    Why would any person with a brain wish to fly to a Muslim country unless they were Muslim in which case good riddance.

    • Don McKellar says

      May 19, 2016 at 10:52 am

      Business. Desperate for business. Or a job. Desperate for one of those. Or maybe they were an Egyptologist or an archaeologist. Maybe they are a Coptic Christian. I can think of lots of reasons why somebody would fly to Egypt.

      You’re not too bright are you, John Galt III ?

    • Pilot Friend says

      May 19, 2016 at 4:23 pm

      “…Why would any person with a brain wish to fly to a Muslim country unless they were Muslim in which case good riddance…….

      John Galt , Really ? Sounds like an obnoxious proud bigot .

      • gravenimage says

        May 20, 2016 at 12:28 am

        Pilot Friend, you of all people should realize how incredibly dangerous violent Jihad terror is to civilized aviation.

        Got Muslims? Got Jihad, I’m afraid.

        • paul says

          May 20, 2016 at 11:09 am

          War is coming.

          Our Chamberlains (leaders) are blind to Islam (Hitler)
          Trump is the only one to say “The king has no clothes”

    • Expat88 says

      May 20, 2016 at 4:08 am

      You are actually usually much safer when you fly on a national airline carrier that is owned by a Muslim country (check the statistics). But in this case, Egypt Air is a target of ISIS (which ISIS also was probably responsible for the Russian Airliner that went down when leaving the Sinai).

      • paul says

        May 20, 2016 at 11:10 am

        ISIS were the baggage handlers in France. Didn’t quite fire all of them earlier.

        Too bad….

        You may need to purge islam from your country, Egypt.

  2. quotha raven says

    May 19, 2016 at 9:33 am

    This is ONE of the shapes and looks an attack takes and will take in the future in the WWIII the West has been fighting since 9/11/01 and is currently fighting. I believe it is being arranged by a NWO cabal it is difficult to identify with certainty. But one of its critical elements/weapons is…that’s right….jihad. Are we awake yet, Possums?

    Cheers!

    quotha raven

    • JOHN SPIELMAN says

      May 19, 2016 at 10:43 am

      CABAL, SCHMALL, this was ISIS!

      • quotha raven says

        May 19, 2016 at 11:26 am

        to John Spielman, who sez “CABAL, SCHMALL, this was ISIS!”

        Curb your simplistic instincts for a moment and consider this: might ISIS not be a weapon of the NWO supporters, the Oz behind the curtain? Who do you think is funding and supporting ISIS? Wait! THINK before you respond!

        Cheers!

        quotha raven

        • Don McKellar says

          May 19, 2016 at 1:26 pm

          Moslems are funding an supporting ISIS, you idiot. Moslems who believe in the concept of a caliphate which is ingrained in them. And those moslems who are not directly funding it, enable it to continue with its illegal activities. Turkey, for example, with its enabling of oil money black market trade.

          You really are a retard.

        • quotha raven says

          May 19, 2016 at 5:05 pm

          to Don McKellar – Hmm. From “peanut brain” to “retard” in less than twelve hours!…not a happy path.

          Perhaps you could explain why the USA is currently intent upon providing arms and support to….Libya? Oh, right. To their trusted and internationally acknowledged government? This is not a conspiracy theory, just keepin’ an eye on what this administration is actually doing, given their affection for the Muslim Brotherhood…

          http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/politics/libya-arms-request-isis/index.html

          What could possibly go wrong? Hint: See Benghazi.

          Cheers!

          quotha raven.

        • gravenimage says

          May 20, 2016 at 12:38 am

          Quotha–with all respect–if you are saying that Muslims are not behind violent Jihad, but George Bush is, then you are *way* off base.

          There is a school of thought (so to speak) that says that Muslims cannot be smart enough–or evil enough–to be behind Jihad, and that it must be the fault of the bad ol’ West. This is the mindset behind the “Truther” movement, that believes that Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11, and that is was pulled off by the CIA, or Mossad, or the Illuminatti, or what have you, and was all done to “make Islam look bad”.

          I’m not sure if that is what you are saying here–but this is just conspiracy theory stuff. Do you believe that all 28,400 Jihad terror attacks since 9/11 were pulled off by the “New World Order”?

        • linnte says

          May 20, 2016 at 1:38 am

          Dear Gravenimage, I am reading Londonistan by Melanie Phillips. This book surely deepens my understanding of Islamic infiltration in our society. And it shows, way in advance, how Obama’s Bathroom gender crap is a ploy for greater acceptance of UN ideals. I don’t think all Jihad attacks are directly at the urging of NWO, but I believe the attacks are ALLOWED to further the cause of the NWO. The people in control of the NWO movement know full well that undermining Liberty and the American Constitution is critical for this to be pulled off. Which is why Governments involved turn a blind eye and don’t blame Islams ideology. It’s like the lion who watches the jackal kill prey, then moves in, scares the jackals away and enjoys the kill. If this is indeed the case, we need to fight harder! It seems almost insurmountable!

        • quotha raven says

          May 20, 2016 at 2:14 am

          To gravenimage, who asks “I’m not sure if that is what you are saying here–but this is just conspiracy theory stuff. Do you believe that all 28,400 Jihad terror attacks since 9/11 were pulled off by the “New World Order”?

          The short answer is: No.

          How could you even ask me that??

          I’ve never considered Bush 41 or Bush 43 even remotely responsible for jihad, and I have never intentionally posted any comments to suggest otherwise. I have never mentioned nor do I support “conspiracy theories” about the New World Order. It is a fact that George HW Bush, whom I voted for twice, is the first person I heard use the term. New World Order is not a conspiracy theory, any more than the several forms of jihad make up a conspiracy “theory”.

          George W Bush, whom I also voted for twice, waged war on jihad, although terrorism was not sufficiently understood at the time to call it a war on Islam (which I fully support).

          Many aspects of the end games of both NWO and jihad, however, are compatible and complement each other, and there is simply no denying that the current administration has consistently supported Islam, very publicly in support of CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood. I voted against Obama twice and continue to marvel at the number of Americans who supported and continue to support him. I have some theories about that, but they do not involve conspiracy.

          I don’t think there is any doubt about who set the middle east on fire with “Arab Spring”, and it’s no secret that Obama wanted to install Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and elsewhere.

          I don’t know what I said to mislead readers here into thinking that I hold Bush or the US government responsible for 9-11. which theory I have personally argued so vehemently against that I have lost friendships, but whatever it was, I said it badly to be so misunderstood. I do not “believe that all 28,400 Jihad terror attacks since 9/11 were pulled off by the “New World Order” nor do I hold NWO responsible for any jihad attack.

          Maybe it was my recommendation of the rather difficult book “Interlock”…which does, in fact, espouse – and document – a massive NWO conspiracy theory with the Bush family at the center of the “cabal”.Jihad is not addressed in this book at all. I’m not in a position to argue the merits of “Interlock”, but it strikes me as a book worthy of discussion.

          I do not confuse jihad with NWO.

          Any of you who has been reading my comments here for a while must find that for me to espouse such a theory would be inconsistent with anything else I’ve ever said over the past ten years.

          Still not sure exactly what it was that I said to give such a false impression. Can we put it to rest?

          Cheers!

          quotha raven
          aka “peanut brain”
          aka “retard”
          formerly known as “sock puppet”
          LOL.

          .

        • quotha raven says

          May 20, 2016 at 12:09 pm

          To gravenimage, angemon, fessitude, Don McKellar et al – I’ve reviewed my remarks on this matter, and I can see how they might be misinterpreted – IF one had a tendency to read into remarks more than is actually there.

          When I first mentioned the NWO cabal – difficult to identify – what was foremost in my mind was RECENT total cooperation with Islam by our government at all levels, to an alarming, dismaying level. I was not looking backwards to Bush in order to blame him for “all 28,400 Jihad terror attacks since 9/11 were pulled off by the “New World Order”?” a question I found nothing short of amazing.

          I was, and am thinking that the current administration is being advised and enabled by powerful people – people behind the scenes at Goldman Sachs and Chase and Monsanto and the Council on Foreign Relations, Valerie Jarrett, etc, etc. Who knows who all these people are? Some, you may agree, are puppeteers. Since the day he took office, and even hints of it before, during his campaign, Obama has backed Islam at every opportunity, advancing the cause of Islam, no matter that it has not been in the best interest of the country that hired him.

          That the NWO and Islam are ultimately incompatible may be true; it is also true that they feed into each other’s advancement, each providing support,, in one way or another, for the other. Whether intentionally or inadvertently is above my pay scale to assert in most cases.

          Does any of you really think that some of the billions we have pumped into North Africa and the Middle East have not found their way into pockets of jihadis? Have ended up supporting ISIS? How about all that military equipment left behind in Iraq and the weaponry we were running through Benghazi – upon whom O now proposes to bestow a load of military support to at this moment? Think we’ve donated any Toyotas in Syria to “the wrong side”? In Syria, of course, both sides are wrong. That’s how wrong Hillary and Obama got it.

          There is plenty to support the US role in funding ISIS – or, in this case, it might be better to refer to it as ISIL, like O did, to include Israel – and this, too, may have been arranged by some pretty powerful people. Dont’cha think?

          Or perhaps you think Obama is a vastly sophisticated thinker capable on his own of coming up with such a vast, Machiavellian scheme as the one he has been systematically carrying out, smart and motivated enough all on his own to come up with and carry out an effective plan to destroy the sovereign USA and our Constitution, thus aiding the cause of the NWO, possums!

          Perhaps you eschew the notion that there are powers in this oligarchy or, as I like to call it, Mussolini Fascist State, Post-Constitutional USA, powers who frame the policy Obama carries out. Or is this too “conspiracy theory”esque for you?

          In order to misinterpret my words as some of you have done, you really have to expand the meaning of what I say to way more than what was there.

          Cheers!

          quotha raven

        • Angemon says

          May 20, 2016 at 4:42 pm

          quotha raven posted:

          “I was, and am thinking that the current administration is being advised and enabled by powerful people – people behind the scenes at Goldman Sachs and Chase and Monsanto and the Council on Foreign Relations, Valerie Jarrett, etc, etc. Who knows who all these people are?”

          You’ll get no argument from me regarding the scandalous “revolving door” between government and big corporations. I see that same level of shameless back-scratching in my country as well. And not just big corporations but also “special interests” groups – like, for example, CAIR.

          “Perhaps you eschew the notion that there are powers in this oligarchy or, as I like to call it, Mussolini Fascist State, Post-Constitutional USA, powers who frame the policy Obama carries out. Or is this too “conspiracy theory”esque for you?”

          I have no problems in believing that there is outside involvement interfering in government policies, and not with the best interests of the government or the people in mind. For example, Mr. Spencer, on several of his talks, described how he stopped being contacted by law enforcement agencies to share his knowledge of the goals and motivations of islamic terrorists – CAIR protested, the White House acquiesced, and the US became less safe as result.

        • quotha raven says

          May 20, 2016 at 5:31 pm

          Whew, Angemon! My nose is coming pretty much back “into joint”.

          What you’re confirming is what I am seeing, and I can’t think how this ever translated into my embracing the “Bush did it” conspiracy theory (which I was unaware of, come to think of it) that blames the NWO for jihad activities and all terrorist acts since 9/11.

          I worked in NYC only a couple of blocks from the WTC (at Rector and West Streets, one block west of Greenwich Ave) and knew those buildings like the back of my hand, as I was in them, all over them, for years. When 9/11 happened, there was no question who did it, and we all cheered and high-fived it like crazy when Giuliani told that Saudi (was it a Saudi?) to take his money and stuff it.

          Cheers!

          quotha raven

        • gravenimage says

          May 20, 2016 at 8:37 pm

          linnte wrote:

          Dear Gravenimage, I am reading Londonistan by Melanie Phillips. This book surely deepens my understanding of Islamic infiltration in our society. And it shows, way in advance, how Obama’s Bathroom gender crap is a ploy for greater acceptance of UN ideals. I don’t think all Jihad attacks are directly at the urging of NWO, but I believe the attacks are ALLOWED to further the cause of the NWO…
          …………………………

          Hi linnte. It has been a few years since I read Melanie Phillips’ fine book Londonistan. If I recall correctly, she rightly criticizes British officials for turning a blind eye to the Jihad threat from letting large number of Muslims in, but this is quite different from positing that Western authorities are actually *behind* terror attacks, or are at least cheering them on.

          The fact is that Islam is a huge threat to the West in general–and that includes everyone from hard Leftists to UN-one-worlders to the mainstream and the Right.

          While I strongly disagree with some of these elements and think their aims are harmful and misguided, I believe that there are *very few* in the West who are actually pro-Jihad.

          Again, I think this is more of the same idea that only the West can be evil, and that those who are non-Western–like Muslims–are somehow just tools of the West.

          I think the real problem is more that most in the West don’t want to believe anything can be as malignant as Islam, and so they try to ignore or whitewash the threat.

          The fact is that Islam has its own ugly agenda, and they target the entire West, and don’t much care about our disagreements at all.

          Despite this difference of opinion, linnte, I hope you are well and are enjoying exploring your new faith.

        • gravenimage says

          May 20, 2016 at 10:38 pm

          quotha raven wrote:

          To gravenimage, who asks “I’m not sure if that is what you are saying here–but this is just conspiracy theory stuff. Do you believe that all 28,400 Jihad terror attacks since 9/11 were pulled off by the “New World Order”?

          The short answer is: No.

          How could you even ask me that??
          …………………..

          Glad to hear this, Quotha.

          More:

          I’ve never considered Bush 41 or Bush 43 even remotely responsible for jihad, and I have never intentionally posted any comments to suggest otherwise. I have never mentioned nor do I support “conspiracy theories” about the New World Order. It is a fact that George HW Bush, whom I voted for twice, is the first person I heard use the term. New World Order is not a conspiracy theory, any more than the several forms of jihad make up a conspiracy “theory”.
          …………………..

          This is true–and George Bush 41 used the phrase “New World Order” in quite a positive sense. It was only later that it took on other and darker connotations.

          I did not mean to imply that thinking Bush said this was a conspiracy theory–not at all. And the term was also used by a few politicians previous to his using the phrase.

          But if you Google “New World Order” and and “9/11”, though, you will see what I mean about conspiracy theories–all too many believe that 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam, but with the Illuminati, the Masons, the UN, International banking, or the military.

          Wikipedia actually has an article on New World Order conspiracy theories.

          More:

          George W Bush, whom I also voted for twice, waged war on jihad, although terrorism was not sufficiently understood at the time to call it a war on Islam (which I fully support).
          …………………..

          I agree. He was hardly perfect in his knowledge of Islam–to put it mildly–but his instincts in opposing violent Jihad were a lot better than that of the current occupant of the White House.

          More:

          Many aspects of the end games of both NWO and jihad, however, are compatible and complement each other, and there is simply no denying that the current administration has consistently supported Islam, very publicly in support of CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood. I voted against Obama twice and continue to marvel at the number of Americans who supported and continue to support him. I have some theories about that, but they do not involve conspiracy.
          …………………..

          I agree–but this is not usually what is meant by using the term “New World Order”.

          More:

          I don’t think there is any doubt about who set the middle east on fire with “Arab Spring”, and it’s no secret that Obama wanted to install Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and elsewhere.
          …………………..

          Things like Obama’s infamous Cairo Speech sure as hell did not help. But I believe the “Arab Spring”–really, more of a ‘Sunni awakening’–was home grown. Many of those in the West who initially applauded it naively but genuinely thought that this was some sort of actual push for democracy in the region, along the lines of the Czech Spring. Most of these people did not think that this would lead to the rise to power of the Muslim Brotherhood and outfits like Al Nusra and ISIS–although anyone with any knowledge of Islam and the region should have.

          More:

          I don’t know what I said to mislead readers here into thinking that I hold Bush or the US government responsible for 9-11. which theory I have personally argued so vehemently against that I have lost friendships, but whatever it was, I said it badly to be so misunderstood. I do not “believe that all 28,400 Jihad terror attacks since 9/11 were pulled off by the “New World Order” nor do I hold NWO responsible for any jihad attack.
          …………………..

          Sorry–I didn’t think those were things you believed in, Quotha, given your posting history here. But using the term NWO is often shorthand for just that.

          More:

          I do not confuse jihad with NWO.

          Any of you who has been reading my comments here for a while must find that for me to espouse such a theory would be inconsistent with anything else I’ve ever said over the past ten years.

          Still not sure exactly what it was that I said to give such a false impression. Can we put it to rest?
          …………………..

          Sure. All of us have at various time had to clarify our positions here, or have had something we said misinterpreted.

          More:

          When I first mentioned the NWO cabal – difficult to identify – what was foremost in my mind was RECENT total cooperation with Islam by our government at all levels, to an alarming, dismaying level.
          …………………..

          I see what you’re saying, Quotha–I have just never heard of referring to this as the NWO. This is probably where people, including myself, misread the point you were trying to make.

          More:

          I was, and am thinking that the current administration is being advised and enabled by powerful people – people behind the scenes at Goldman Sachs and Chase and Monsanto and the Council on Foreign Relations, Valerie Jarrett, etc, etc. Who knows who all these people are? Some, you may agree, are puppeteers. Since the day he took office, and even hints of it before, during his campaign, Obama has backed Islam at every opportunity, advancing the cause of Islam, no matter that it has not been in the best interest of the country that hired him.
          …………………..

          Well, I do agree with the last part of this–but I doubt that Goldman Sachs and Chase and Monsanto are actually particularly acting to back Islam.

          More:

          Does any of you really think that some of the billions we have pumped into North Africa and the Middle East have not found their way into pockets of jihadis? Have ended up supporting ISIS? How about all that military equipment left behind in Iraq and the weaponry we were running through Benghazi – upon whom O now proposes to bestow a load of military support to at this moment? Think we’ve donated any Toyotas in Syria to “the wrong side”? In Syria, of course, both sides are wrong. That’s how wrong Hillary and Obama got it.
          …………………..

          There is no doubt that some of this has wound up in hands of ISIS–we know that it has. This is disastrous–it is also different from thinking that the US is deliberately backing ISIS, as some do.

          More:

          There is plenty to support the US role in funding ISIS – or, in this case, it might be better to refer to it as ISIL, like O did, to include Israel – and this, too, may have been arranged by some pretty powerful people. Dont’cha think?
          …………………..

          ISIS is not in Israel–at least not yet, thank goodness. The “L” of ISIL means “Levant”, but is usually considered to have the same meaning as the second “S” in ISIS–“Sham” (Syria). Even though the Levant is larger than Syria, and does include Israel, that is the main reference.

          More:

          Or perhaps you think Obama is a vastly sophisticated thinker capable on his own of coming up with such a vast, Machiavellian scheme as the one he has been systematically carrying out, smart and motivated enough all on his own to come up with and carry out an effective plan to destroy the sovereign USA and our Constitution, thus aiding the cause of the NWO, possums!
          …………………..

          No, I don’t think Obama is all that intelligent–but given how confused and chaotic much US (and Western) policy is at this point, largely due to continued willful ignorance about Islam, it isn’t that difficult for him to take advantage of things.

          More:

          Perhaps you eschew the notion that there are powers in this oligarchy or, as I like to call it, Mussolini Fascist State, Post-Constitutional USA, powers who frame the policy Obama carries out. Or is this too “conspiracy theory”esque for you?
          …………………..

          I do have to disagree with you here, Quotha–I would *not* describe what we have today as a “Mussolini Fascist State”. But there *are* disturbing elements working to suppress freedom of speech, and we do have to keep vigilant about this.

          More:

          I worked in NYC only a couple of blocks from the WTC (at Rector and West Streets, one block west of Greenwich Ave) and knew those buildings like the back of my hand, as I was in them, all over them, for years. When 9/11 happened, there was no question who did it, and we all cheered and high-fived it like crazy when Giuliani told that Saudi (was it a Saudi?) to take his money and stuff it.
          …………………..

          Yes–I loved Rudy Giuliani for this! I really admired his actions in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.

          In any case, I really appreciate your lengthy reply. Be well, Quotha.

        • quotha raven says

          May 21, 2016 at 12:42 am

          Graven wrote: “Sorry–I didn’t think those were things you believed in, Quotha, given your posting history here. But using the term NWO is often shorthand for just that.”

          Totally LOL. Just like I said before: As you say it’s SHORTHAND, A place that allows or encourages one to jump to conclusions unsupported by evidence! You’d have to read a lot into my comments that WAS NOT THERE to conclude what some did here…. Really and truly.,graven, what you say so supports my suggestion that anyone who so misinterpreted what I was saying must be inclined to “:read more into the statement or opinion than is actually there.” My whole life, profession, training, EVERYTHING has taught me the exact opposite.

          I think psychologists would have at some point codified this disorder…LOL

          Cheers!

          quotha raven

    • Don McKellar says

      May 19, 2016 at 10:55 am

      Oh look, another retard. First two posts on this thread are from retards. First John Galt lll and now quotha raven. Hey peanut brain — Jihad Watch is the ANTI-conspiracy web site where we only deal in reality. Ugly, hard reality, backed up 100% with facts and evidence. You are on the wrong website. Move on.

      • linnte says

        May 20, 2016 at 1:52 am

        Don, the NWO is NOT a conspiracy, except by the Governments who are attempting to create it! The one world system has been in the planning for over a hundred years. If I had a regular computer and not a simple tablet, I would give you links to credible writers who have talked and warned about this idea for many years. The goal is absolutely no different from the goal of Islam to dominate the world. What better way to bring in this system by allowing another (Islamic) system to do it for them? You know this is the goal of Islam; Why so antagonist toward any idea that ANOTHER power wants the same? And what will the NWO do with all the Muslims who unwittingly assisted in this coup after it is solidified? Why, become our Savior by getting RID of them so the world will finally have peace. Sound like a familiar plan?

  3. Angemon says

    May 19, 2016 at 9:40 am

    The revelation came after a former air accident chief said all the evidence was pointed to the plane being targeted in a terrorist attack.

    Who could be behind it? I’m going on a limb and say “the misunderstanders of the religion of peace”…

    • quotha raven says

      May 19, 2016 at 9:45 am

      To Angemon – Ya think?

      Cheers!

      quotha raven

    • Godwin says

      May 19, 2016 at 10:03 pm

      US Govt.’s theory : a bomb took down the plane. Must be the work of ISIS or MB, both mortal enemies of Al Sisi.

  4. خَليفة says

    May 19, 2016 at 9:50 am

    Flames in sky spotted from sea – sounds like a bomb went off mid air. So many IS sympathizes in EU, how many work at air ports, with access to baggage and cargo areas of planes? So many weak links on airport security – for passengers as well as airport workers.

    It should be no surprise to Muslims that when something like this happens people assume it was a Muslim. If Muslims don’t like this reality, then Muslims need to reform Islam so that such events stop happening so frequently.

    • gravenimage says

      May 19, 2016 at 10:26 am

      Yes–this plane was flying out of Paris.

      With current security, no one should be able to get a bomb on a plane in France.

      But with so many Mohammedans in “security”, all bets are off.

  5. KrazyKafir says

    May 19, 2016 at 9:50 am

    I’m guessing it was luggage handlers, of the Islamic persuasion, who planted a bomb in the cargo hold.

    • gravenimage says

      May 19, 2016 at 10:26 am

      Probably so.

      • linnte says

        May 19, 2016 at 10:49 am

        Or Iran testing a new missile.

    • Sam Hawkins says

      May 19, 2016 at 10:39 am

      That would be my guess, too. In other news, the EU’s foreign relations representative Francesca Mogherini (who started her political career when she joined the Italian communist party) said today that “immigration cannot be stopped”.

      We are so screwed with the leaders we have. And next year, President Hillary to take over where Obama left off.

      • Mak says

        May 19, 2016 at 11:33 am

        I don’t know. People are getting fed up, at least in the US. A Trump presidency may be a reality, thank goodness!

        Every JW reader should be voting for Trump. He is the only leader at least willing to talk about these problems. If we don’t this event will, very sadly, become something more commonplace in the US. Even for domestic flights. We have plenty of Mohammedites working at air ports in the US too.

        • Jay Boo says

          May 19, 2016 at 11:39 am

          If I had to choose a neighbor I would choose cranky old Bernie.
          Trump would be suing me all the time and Hillary is just too nasty for words.

          But, for President Trump seems to be far away the best option.

        • Shmooviyet says

          May 19, 2016 at 3:20 pm

          @Mak said: “We have plenty of Mohammedites working at air ports in the US too.”
          Yes, another awesomely stupid idea which has gained popularity with Tolerant Airport Commissions.
          I see the “If You See Something Say Something” freeway sign just outside one entrance to the airport is no longer there. The governor, who commands we either love the hordes or leave, must have fretted the sign was offensive to his favored refugees.
          Could be new MAC employees were complaining.

  6. WorkingClassPost says

    May 19, 2016 at 9:58 am

    Should we organize a little sweepstake for the first ‘ Nothing to do with islam’ quote?

    Probably too late already.

    Maybe next time.

    • Tjhawk says

      May 19, 2016 at 11:30 am

      Backlash? Do I hear a backlash?

    • Keys says

      May 19, 2016 at 11:53 am

      Good for a chuckle.

      ?. But you are right, WCP. And as Obama says, the USA will never be at war with Islam – therefore, we can only be at war with nasty people who think they are Islamic.
      Raise your scimitar or AK47, if you think you are Islamic. “Allahu Akbar”!

      So how is a human being suppose to tell a real Obama Muslim from one who just claims to be Muslim?

      Obama Common Core Math: Boys and girls, suppose there are 3 Muslim cargo handlers loading your jet plane. One of the 3 claims to be a muslim, but really is not. How many are real muslims?

  7. Phil Horaia says

    May 19, 2016 at 10:01 am

    It may or may not be the work of terrorists, however they have had, and probably still have, sympathisers working at airports. Muslims need to be removed from them for the safety of further flights.

  8. ICH says

    May 19, 2016 at 10:03 am

    I an so never going to Europe !
    Never mind anywhere that Muslim occupied.

    I will stick with USA & CANADA

  9. Steve Klein says

    May 19, 2016 at 10:11 am

    These attacks put Hillary Clinton at a disadvantage?

    Donald J. Trump ✔ ‎@realDonaldTrump

    Looks like yet another terrorist attack. Airplane departed from Paris. When will we get tough, smart and vigilant? Great hate and sickness!

    6:27 AM – 19 May 2016

  10. gravenimage says

    May 19, 2016 at 10:21 am

    EgyptAir jet crash a “brutal event” and “almost certainly a terror attack”
    ……………………..

    As soon as I heard of this my first thought of course was Jihad.

  11. Mark Davidson says

    May 19, 2016 at 10:23 am

    Waiting for CAIR to claim “fear of backlask against Muslim community” with stock photo of teary eyed child in headscarf to replace headlines across the globe.

  12. PRCS says

    May 19, 2016 at 10:44 am

    When, and if, it’s proven that it was Muslim baggage handlers–what excuses will the Obama administration (and all of the other clueless/deceitful world “leaders”) regurgitate?

    And what will France do when, and if, that’s proven?

    Will they do what’s necessary–even if that offends Muslims?

    • Jack Diamond says

      May 19, 2016 at 11:23 am

      They will say it has to do with political extremism and nothing to do with Islam since most of the victims were Muslims. The whole case against the Islamic State not being Islamic has to do with the “most of their victims are Muslims” argument. The argument is specious since Muslim on Muslim violence is as Islamic as Muhammad in a woman’s clothing, but it sounds reasonable to the uninformed.

      So will this help put an end to Muslims being employed at our airports? No. Authorities will continue to look for the “extremists” among all the harmless, otherwise good Muslims and certainly they’ll catch some of them, the ones parading their ISIS badges around, after the fact in this case, but it won’t stop the planes falling out of the skies.

      • gravenimage says

        May 21, 2016 at 12:24 am

        Probably so, Jack.

    • WorkingClassPost says

      May 19, 2016 at 11:25 am

      We may never know for sure.

      The plane flew to Ethiopia and Tunisia and Brussels, before Paris, so something could’ve been sneaked onboard earlier in the day.

      • Jack Diamond says

        May 19, 2016 at 11:41 am

        They’ll find out. It will be someone on their “watch list.” Paris was the last point of departure so is the most likely suspect. Unless it was the co-pilot…but then there was that “fireball in the sky” seen by the merchant ship captain.

  13. Lizzy says

    May 19, 2016 at 10:47 am

    The days of foreign travel diminishes. People will have to holiday in their own countries if they’re worried about foreign travel. That’s ok if they live in a warm climate and not Europe which is becoming more prone to terrorism by the day.

    Whether or not this plane was the victim of a terrorist attack the possibility will increasingly alter our lifestyles. Islamics are effectively killing the pleasant lifestyles that Westerners have worked for and built for themselves. The good days have about gone.

  14. nic says

    May 19, 2016 at 10:52 am

    I don’t think that the CNN article defended terrorism, or suggested that “Islam has nothing to do with it”.

    One thing they DID let slip is the fact that Trump jumped the gun with the San Bernardino shootings, suggesting it was a terrorist attack before the facts where in. Umm… and he was correct ! Kinda shooting down their own article !

    • Keys says

      May 19, 2016 at 12:07 pm

      Yes, and Trump siad “looks like”, not “this is”. The meaning of words may or may not matter when one (or CNN) has an agenda to spin.

  15. Zeke Zick says

    May 19, 2016 at 10:57 am

    Prayers for the victims families, pity for the victims, curses and wrath for those who carried this out.

    Down in hell Allah is laughing

  16. linnte says

    May 19, 2016 at 11:05 am

    So sad! Prayers for the families of all involved.

  17. melancholy observer says

    May 19, 2016 at 11:12 am

    The Jihadists are now successfully breaking through aircraft security. Its all so depressing. And to think the American President and his joke secretary of state and his likely successor just want open borders.

  18. Eur says

    May 19, 2016 at 11:21 am

    Deport them all and ban islam. Is the only way. The civil war in europe is comming,i can see everyday in my city more and more muslims, more fear ,heat… Is a question of time but not dude the backlash is near.

    • TJFreedomjihad says

      May 19, 2016 at 1:09 pm

      Good to here from the continent the truth, Eur! Remember, through the 1400 years the examples of Martel, Sobieski, Lepanto*, Crusades. They have shown islams only respond or respect vicious overwhelming defeat, so far in history. muslims are often low in intel, due to multiple inbreeding, always brainwashed, believe in unicorn fantasies, not reality, usually very far from being into logic or reality, and most often lazy, and mostly cowardly. Other than that they exist, and breed, often like zombies, in actuality. Nowhere enough moslems see the light, and bravely turn their backs on islam. But some do.

      *FYI: Battle of Lepanto, on 7 October 1571 in which a fleet of the Holy League, a coalition of European Catholic maritime states arranged by Pope Pius V, led by Spanish admiral Don Juan of Austria and mostly financed by Spain, decisively defeated the fleet of the Ottoman Empire [bad dude moslems] on the northern edge of the Gulf of Corinth, off western Greece.

      BRAVO, POPE PIUS V. This one saved the West. Was actually intelligent, incredibly. Thank, God, of course.

  19. TJFreedomjihad says

    May 19, 2016 at 12:13 pm

    Condolences to victims’ families, as always! Horrible as always, and guilt on the fraud gang of satan, as always.

    Some fine comments from many here. Especially the repeat of Trump’s exceptional and brave and to the pure point of the truth, tweet, made early on, too. This guy is exceptional!!!

    A point not made yet is the Paris airport fired 70 airport involved employees, only 10 days before, for having associations with isis, a point not yet made also, is which ones are still there, or replaced with new ones who have such associations. It’s a certainty they did not eliminate them all, when dealing with such realities.

    As a former pilot and engineer and more, imagine a small potent bomb pack loaded on the right side of the airframe either cabin or cargo area, at the last or near last moment, which was somehow triggered as Egypt airspace was entered, to signal them, as they like to do, blew open the right side of the rear fuselage, hinging it on the left side, for a few seconds, would as described turn the aircraft left, for a few moments, wind buffet would quickly tear off the tail, left side hinged for a few seconds on the left side fuselage, then the forward section of the passenger fuselage and wings, took complete diving spiral to the right, broke apart, plunging into the sea. Sadly, this would explain some of the early presented flight behavior, very, very, well, even better than the hostile cockpit takeover, although that would be the second superb explanation of the final moments. One thing to bear in mind, is the radar coverage at the best, would not, cannot that far off, resolve spinning but would be able to ‘see’ and resolve spiraling of the fuselage, even with IFF squawking.

    Another point made wrongly, is we haven’t been at war with islam since 9-11, but rather clearly since they made ‘war’ on us as we were still forming as a nation, in the 1700’s, let’s keep that clear, as follows in Jefferson and Jays letter. In fact their war on us, with no cause (but their own baked in gang hatred of all other people and us by ‘divine’ requirement), whatsoever given by us, did indeed cause us to form our Navy and Marines. This is fact, true history, for the liberal lurkers reading this, look up the whole letter and history. Life is way worse than you liberal utopian unicorns wish it to be. And it likely may get a whole lot worse, maybe less so with Trump, but he is only a strong good man, not G-d! History books, the true ones, (non-revisionist unicorn liberal style) ones, are writ of all of this type of stuff!!!!!

    American Commissioners to John Jay, 28 March 1786
    American Commissioners to John Jay
    http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-09-02-0315
    Grosr. Square March 28th. 1786
    Sir
    Soon after the arrival of Mr. J. in London, we had a conference with the Ambassador of Tripoli, at his House.
    The amount of all the information we can obtain from him was that a perpetual peace was in all respects the most advisable, because a temporary treaty would leave room for increasing demands upon every renewal of it, and a stipulation for annual payments would be liable to failures of performance which would renew the war, repeat the negotiations and continually augment the claims of his nation and the difference of expence would by no means be adequate to the inconvenience, since 12,500 Guineas to his Constituents with 10 pr. Cent upon that sum for himself, must be paid if the treaty was made for only one year.
    That 30,000 Guineas for his Employers and £3,000 for himself were the lowest terms upon which a perpetual peace could be made and that this must be paid in Cash on the delivery of the treaty signed by his sovereign, that no kind of Merchandizes could be accepted.
    That Tunis would treat upon the same terms, but he could not answer for Algiers or Morocco.
    WE TOOK THE LIBERTY TO MAKE SOME INQUIRIES CONCERNING THE GROUNDS OF THEIR PRETENTIONS TO MAKE WAR UPON NATIONS WHO HAD DONE THEM NO INJURY, AND OBSERVED THAT WE CONSIDERED ALL MANKIND AS OUR FRIENDS WHO HAD DONE US NO WRONG, NOR HAD GIVEN US ANY PROVOCATION.
    THE AMBASSADOR ANSWERED US THAT IT WAS FOUNDED ON THE LAWS OF THEIR PROPHET,1 THAT IT WAS WRITTEN IN THEIR KORAN, THAT ALL NATIONS WHO SHOULD NOT HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THEIR AUTHORITY WERE SINNERS, THAT IT WAS THEIR RIGHT AND DUTY TO MAKE WAR UPON THEM WHEREVER THEY COULD BE FOUND, AND TO MAKE SLAVES OF ALL THEY COULD TAKE AS PRISONERS, AND THAT EVERY MUSSELMAN WHO SHOULD BE SLAIN IN BATTLE WAS SURE TO GO TO PARADISE.
    That it was a law that the first who boarded an Enemy’s Vessell should have one slave, more than his share with the rest, which operated as an incentive to the most desperate Valour and Enterprise, that it was the Practice of their Corsairs to bear down upon a ship, for each sailor to take a dagger in each hand and another in his mouth, and leap on board, which so terrified their Enemies that very few ever stood against them, THAT HE VERILY BELIEVED THE DEVIL ASSISTED HIS COUNTRYMEN, for they were almost always successful. We took time to consider and promised an answer, but we can give him no other, than that the demands exceed our Expectations, and that of Congress, so much that we can proceed no further without fresh instructions.
    There is but one possible way that we know of to procure the money, if Congress should authorize us to go to the necessary expence, and that is to borrow it in Holland. We are not certain it can be had there. But if Congress should order us to make the best terms we can with Tunis, Tripoli, Algiers and Morocco, and to procure this money wherever we can find it, upon terms like those of the last loan in Holland, our best endeavours shall be used to remove this formidable obstacle out of the way of the prosperity of the United States.
    Inclosed is a Copy of a Letter from P. R. Randall Esqr. at Barcelona, the last from Mr. Barclay was dated Bayonne. It is hoped we shall soon have news from Algiers and Morocco, and we wish it may not be made more disagreable than this from Tunis and Tripoli. We are &c.
    J.A.
    T.J.
    Tr (DLC); in Smith’s hand; endorsed: “March 28. 1786. Copy from J.A.…T.J. to Jno. Jay.” Tr (DNA: PCC, No. 86); at foot of text: “The aforegoing Letter was taken from a Copy furnished by Mr. Jefferson for the purpose, the original having been communicated to Congress and referred by them to a Committee, which never reported on nor returned it. H. Remsen junr.” Not in SJL. According to Jay’s letter of transmittal to Congress, 23 May 1786, the enclosures were missing (DNA: PCC, No. 80, ii; JCC, xxx, 307, note); see Randall to Commissioners, 17 Feb. 1786.
    The present letter was read in Congress on 25 May and referred to Jay for a report thereon; Jay’s report, dated 29 May 1786, is in Dipl. Corr., 1783–1789, i, 606–8. Jay expressed confidence in the ministers, suggested that the terms of the treaty with Barbary powers be left to them, and advised against borrowing money for that purpose.
    1. Tr reads “profit.”
    Index Entries
    Permalink What’s this?
    http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-09-02-0315
    Note: The annotations to this document, and any other modern editorial content, are copyright © Princeton University Press. All rights reserved.

    As far as the details of the seconds before ‘death’ of the aircraft, the recording boxes will provide those accurate details, ultimately, apparently, hopefully, not too many more days from now.

    • TJFreedomjihad says

      May 19, 2016 at 12:31 pm

      I forgot to include reason for the bomb theory, the apparently single report (therefore suspect) of a merchant marine ship observation of a flame or trailing flame in the sky, in the area, which would increase the likelihood of the bomb theory.

      And by the way, people can stay conscious at altitude for minutes, not immediately lose consciousness. Remember, all sorts of people climb ‘in slow death’ up Mt. Everest, 29k feet, often with no supplemental O2, (acclimated somewhat, heavy exercise). That is not much lower than this aircraft purported to be cruising (37k feet)!! And all people who fly know that O2 masks drop on pressure loss, for conscious installation on adults. Most have a couple minutes of useful consciousness to grab and breathe o2.

  20. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    May 19, 2016 at 12:26 pm

    This is one of the many new normals we have in these modern times. Moslem mass murder by airplane has taken on a regular rhythm, almost like a heartbeat. Boom, boom boom. Moslems have been around for 1,400 yrs, but they have been among us in Europe, America and Down Under until only recently. Boom, boom, boom. Islamic activism in action. By law, at least Islamic law, there is nothing wrong with this. It’s a duty to be performed in pursuit of the Cause, as set forth in the Holy Ko-Ran and Hah-Deaths.

    Praise Allah.

    • TJFreedomjihad says

      May 19, 2016 at 12:37 pm

      The CAUSE of the nearly unlimited perfect 90 foot whores, in that whorehouse heaven in the sky. HA, SUCKERS! Just suck milk, honey, get fat, and screw forever…..HA, SUCKERS!!!

    • TJFreedomjihad says

      May 19, 2016 at 12:43 pm

      Complete, massive blasphemers, are those moslem murderers, believers, against the One True G-d, also, for those who care!

  21. awake says

    May 19, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    It has been quite some time since the enemy, which is Islam, has been at the gates, no?

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      May 19, 2016 at 1:28 pm

      In modern times I mark the start date at the assassination of RFK. Yeah, I know Sirhan was raised a Christian, blah blah, but that got my attention. Then there was Munich, then Klinghoffer, then the ’93 WTC, then the cutaway deal where the real perps of McMurrah were covered, then 9/11, then 7/7…

      There’s a big one coming. At least that’s what they say, and there’s no reason to doubt them. They are motivated, are amply funded, have transferred technology, have free travel rights and can walk right through our open borders. Boom.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        May 19, 2016 at 1:44 pm

        There was also Khobar Towers, Beirut Barracks, the Luxor atrocity – all three were before 9/11, plus the 68 years of jihad waged against Israel, simply because Israel exists.

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          May 19, 2016 at 2:15 pm

          Points well taken, 1683. But I can only type so fast and people can stomach only so much detail.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        May 19, 2016 at 1:47 pm

        And what will happen when the big one comes, especially iof it is in Europe or North America? Out will come the scented candles and more of the sort of crap spouted after the Paris and Brussels atrocities.

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          May 19, 2016 at 2:19 pm

          Yup. More scented candles and more placards without the image of the Holy Prophet Mohammed. A few loyalists will pop off, like Trump maybe, but in the aftermath of The Big One there will be a strong liberal urge for conclusive closure, the myth of Unicorns and misunderstanding will be picked up and wielded like a hammer to promptly discredit and shut up anybody pointing the finger at Islam. And then, with maybe 10,000 or 100,000 fresh dead Infidels, we’ll announce a new round of Moslem importation to demonstrate that the myth is true.

    • gravenimage says

      May 21, 2016 at 12:45 am

      Yes–few modern Westerners know anything about Lepanto and the Gates of Vienna, which is a big part of our problem.

  22. Bezelel says

    May 19, 2016 at 1:17 pm

    Has the thought occurred to anyone that these attacks are never going to stop unless the people who commit these attacks are stopped? Problem solving 101: Find the source of the problem and eliminate it. The source of the problem is the koran. It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. hussein obola will blame it on climate change.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      May 19, 2016 at 1:36 pm

      That’d require taking on a religion. Yeah, it’s more than a religion, even a fake religion. But we cannot and will not attempt to stop the problem at the source because to do that would violate our ideals. Not theirs, ours. So we win the piety prize and they win the world.

      I do expect the Confucians will resist, though. But that confrontation is decades away. And the Hindus may finally attempt to clean house, but oh that’d be a messy process. Everybody else will give in by default.

      • Bezelel says

        May 19, 2016 at 3:12 pm

        The koran VS the Constitution. satan worshipers aren’t allowed to make human sacrifices. If the koran were stripped of all political text there would not be much left.

  23. Sam says

    May 19, 2016 at 1:19 pm

    “EgyptAir jet crash a “brutal event” and “almost certainly a terror attack””

    O common now! Lets not jump to the conclusion yet. Lets wait for investigation to continue for few months or years. Then we can find out if there was any “radicalization” involved by “extremist factors”. We also need to be very sensitive to the feelings of different “races” during the investigation not to offend and keep the harmony with different ethnic groups in the Western world. The most important advice I would give is that we never use the word ISLAM to defame the religion of peace and offend the “moderate” Muslims.

    Thank you very much!

  24. celticwarriorcanada says

    May 19, 2016 at 1:48 pm

    Richard Quest has it all figured Out ! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  25. common sense says

    May 19, 2016 at 2:17 pm

    Prayers for the fallen.

    Cold detachment for Islam and a watchful eye and every curse. Thank you again Robert Spencer amongst many others.

    Expose Islam as it exposes itself for what it is, and here is another tragic opportunity but the fool poly’s will apologize some more because they are lazy, pessimist’s at best. IMO they are deluded cowards trying to polish a turd.

    “A pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees opportunity in every difficulty”. – W. Churchill

    Democrat policy pushes spidge in our face and tells us it’s chocolate. The catastrophic redundancy is making me sick.

  26. TJFreedomjihad says

    May 19, 2016 at 3:26 pm

    Great comments, ’83, APF, bezelel, cs, sam.

    Another thing is among the few knowledgeable analysts on Fox so far, was pointed out once, that strategically, the isis wanted to deliver the message to Assisi of Egypt, since he wasn’t nice to MB nor the populace either, so the event was ideally inside Egypt airspace. And it was, if just, inside E. airspace, after Greek (apparent) controller hand off. A point which wages somewhat to the hostile takeover suicide dive argument possibility. Three suspects would be passenger, 3 marshals, flight deck crewperson. Much technically still possible.

    But there is the supposed ‘flame’ seen in the sky.

    You can make book that Trump, if he spoke, as President, would speak more the truth that Robert and we all know, far more than Bush on the 9-11 fire truck megaphone had spoken.

    Just chuckled at shrillary saying Trump isn’t qualified, that SHE knows how hard this job is, to which the chuckle, which is for a crooked woman, all her collegiate and adult life, yes, it is hard, for a person like her. She only knows scheming and deceit (a lot of extra work), not honesty, just getting and taking and manipulating, always. Trump knows so much more, and decency and honesty as well as toughness, which she no more has, she is just numb and astonishingly cold, from all her life’s scheming. She did America’s first pure political prisoner, after all, lying to gold star moms, to their faces, in front of their dead sons bodies. That’s cold, very cold.

    Not even thinking of the political caused refusal to authorize quick rescue forces for Benghazi, who were indeed ready, waiting, it turns out. Nor the espionage, at least technical, or worse, involved of her private server, (even Russia has 20k or so of her emails, available). Nor the fact of her being fired for unethical legal conduct, starting out her whatever “career” of lies. Nor the lies about Bergdahl, etc.

    By the way, mostly sorta kinda O/T, a point I wish to get out to the public, the excellent movie ‘Eagle Eye’ and AI and autonomous computer controlled cars, keep in mind, most “techies” are liberals, about 80% supposedly, at least in California. Want to trust your future to leftist liberal unicorn believing ‘techies’? How much do you trust such as Jonathon Gruber, Ben Rhodes, arrogant slobs, all secular self-absorbed brain, no wisdom?

    Just sayin’, after all, what kind of “conscience” would a far out leftist say, on an ego trip actually program into a piece of hardware with defective software, that could go rogue, on its own, by being primitive, unsophisticated enough, or politically a sucker software brain, let alone be hackable just because it would exist, and have safeguards bypassed, as in ‘Eagle Eye’s’ ARIIA. No one has shown a way to have non hackable software, even the bit coin et al system. Think on those, not too far in the future thoughts, too! For those who think quantum is the answer, we know so little at this point, likely no such answer.

    Software brains are extensions of our imperfect selves.

  27. TJFreedomjihad says

    May 19, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    For those who here are the ‘doubting Thomas’s’ of the Trump worthiness of Presidency, ye had best high thee over to this entre here, to learn why I have been variably but now heavily, and wholly with enthusiasm been supporting Trump. http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/05/blast-from-the-past-donald-trump-and-the-counterjihad/#comment-448576 Important matters are coming out, this is highly significant, for America’s better future….. Faith: get it, keep it!

    And perhaps check this out, too, re the shrooooooful traitor: http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/05/the-avarice-of-an-empty-pantsuit-speaking-to-an-empty-room/

    Elsewhere there is more than as much wrong with Bernie, just another commie, as is wrong with the Shroooooo.

    The modern dems have bet on woeful demonstrable losers, for so long now, even the Romney kristol and nat. review, have tipped their hats, as losers. Very sad. They have more fear than brains, nor energy to research, nor experience to understand, no faith, and that is not in support of the precepts of the Founding Fathers, who displayed wisdom and education, immensely. And a great many were even younger, then.

  28. TJFreedomjihad says

    May 19, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    Ah, sheer poetry in words, he speaks my mind, perhaps yours too? Or should? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjYLWadz5Yc

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