The other day on NPR I heard John Shattuck, a former ambassador to Czechoslovakia and now the President and Rector of the Central European University in Budapest, declare the need for the United States to help more with the “refugee crisis” in Europe which, he said, threatened to break Europe apart.
His solution was for America to give more money to support even more refugees in Europe and to admit more of them ourselves from the Middle East. He spoke admiringly — to my mind alarmingly — of the 500,000 refugees Angela Merkel had let into Germany in 2015, and suggested America might do well to emulate Germany. We Americans have a “duty,” he insisted, to help in the resettlement of more of these Middle Eastern refugees in the West. He never explained why Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or Qatar could not accept some refugees (they’ve accepted none), or at least contribute, given their vast wealth, to their upkeep (they’ve given almost nothing); nor did he explain why the four million Syrian refugees now in Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon could not remain in those countries. Wouldn’t it make sense for Muslim refugees to live among fellow Muslims, close to their country of origin and to which, one supposes, they could sooner or later return? Shattuck never mentioned these possibilities. Nor did he explain – perhaps it is so obvious to him that he thought it required no explanation — why America or indeed any country has a “duty” to allow in immigrants, bad or good, from anywhere. He never mentioned that there might be good reasons to discriminate among immigrants, to allow some in and keep others out, according to perfectly sensible criteria. What criteria? Well, what about this: Muslim would-be “immigrants” or “refugees” are the adherents of an ideology, Islam, that teaches them to regard non-Muslims as enemies to be conquered through Jihad, the “struggle” for which there are many instruments aside from qitaal or combat, and among them, most notable in Europe is the Jihad through demography. And once conquered, those non-Muslims are to be converted, or killed, or subject to a host of humiliating disabilities, beginning with payment of the Jizyah. Is that reason enough to keep out, as a class, all those who, by self-identifying as Muslims, may be held to believe what the texts of Islam teach? Does such a quarantine seem like a sensible and prudent course to you, if not to John Shattuck?
Shattuck’s main concern in his NPR appearance was that, absent much greater American involvement in the “refugee crisis,” a united Europe would disunite, give way to “nationalism” (apparently always a Bad Thing) and to what he called “far-right” groups. We’re all used to this adjective and its variants by now. We know that “far right” and “extreme far-right” and “xenophobic far-right” are Homeric epithets systematically affixed in terrorem to those who are opposed to still more Muslim immigration to the West, no matter what their other views. The absurdity of such name-calling can be seen in the treatment of such celebrated anti-Islam campaigners as the Dutch politician Geert Wilders. In his economic views, his desire, for example, to increase social security payments, and to increase other benefits especially for the aged, Wilders would in any other context be considered on the left. So what makes him “far-right”? Only one thing: his concern about Muslim migrants in the Netherlands (who, he correctly points out, gobble up resources that would otherwise go to elderly Dutch). And the late Oriana Fallaci, the eloquent writer who reported so often from the Muslim Middle East, and for her entire life was known as Italy’s most famous left-wing journalist: the only thing that transformed her into a “right-wing” journalist was her ferocious opposition to Islam and Muslims.
Shattuck also exploited that handy charge of “racism” — those opposed to Muslim immigrants in Europe, he said, are “racist.” As has been pointed out ad nauseam at this site, Muslims are not a “race.” No one on the program took Shattuck to task, or asked him to justify his use of these off-the-rack epithets “far-right” and “racist.” Nor was he asked to explain why he thought we should ignore warnings about the nature of Islam and the consequent dangers from Muslim immigration, that come so steadily and soberly from such well-informed ex-Muslims as Magdi Allam, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali. I’m assuming that Shattuck has heard of them and – perhaps I give him too much credit? — that he’s actually read them. Did that reading have no effect on how he thinks about Islam?
Shattuck never discussed, nor did the program’s host, nor any of those who called in think to mention even a single verse from the Qur’an or a single story from the Hadith. It would have been salutary had even one caller read aloud, say, Qur’an 9:5 or 9:29, or any of a hundred similar verses, and asked Shattuck what he made of them. It might have served as a basis for a real discussion. Instead, Shattuck was just a spokesman of the Party of the Good declaring its goodness. As far as Shattuck was concerned, there was no need to actually look at the contents of Islam; it was “racist” and “far-right” to suggest that Muslims had some special connection to terrorism. They were, most of them, just like everyone else. And the handful that were not could be detected without much trouble, and kept out. How did John Shattuck know? Oh, he just did. Unless they were dressed in black balaclavas and waving the black flag of Islam as they stepped onto European soil, those Muslim immigrants represented no threat at all. John Shattuck knows, because for the Party of Good, People Are The Same The Whole World Over.
Europeans may beg to differ. Unlike Shattuck, they are not prepared to overlook the major terrorist attacks by Muslims in London, Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam, Madrid, Moscow, or the many dozens of smaller attacks in many cities in Europe, or the more than 28,000 terrorist attacks by Muslims around the world since 9/11. Nor are Europeans quite so willing any longer to accept less sensational aspects of Muslim behavior that demonstrate a rejection of assimilation and an attempt to impose their own ways on European societies. These include attempts to separate men and women (at public pools, school gym classes, even grocery stores), to censor any unfavorable depictions of Muhammad (from cartoons in Danish and French newspapers, to Italian frescoes and Dante’s Divine Comedy), to create Sharia-compliant mortgages, credit cards, bank accounts, to remove pork from school and prison menus and require what meat is served to be halal, to threaten with death those who forcefully criticize Islam, such as the French high school teacher Robert Redeker who, having published one article in Le Figaro, for his pains will have to remain in hiding for the rest of his life; to drive out of public gatherings those deemed hostile to Islam, such as the distinguished writer and member of the French Academy Alain Finkielkraut, and to kill those deemed guilty of blaspheming Muhammad, such as Lars Vilks (who survived) or those twelve employees of Charlie Hebdo (who didn’t). And – does it need to be stated? – Muslims have been unique in their demands; no other group of immigrants has tried to impose itself on its European hosts.
None of this seems to bother John Shattuck. What does bother him is the possibility that the American government might actually heed the desires of many of its citizens and not increase the number of immigrants “from the Middle East” it is willing to take in. (The governors of more than 30 states have said they will refuse to accept refugees from “war-torn” areas.) And that, says Shattuck, can only fuel Muslim outrage that they are being discriminated against, and that outrage will naturally lead to more Muslim hatred, and even help the Islamic State with its recruiting efforts. In other words, Shattuck warns: we must take in more of those Muslim migrants, or else. There is a name for this: it is called extortion. And it has no end. Keep taking in those Muslims, or else…. Our putative “duty to Europe” turns out to be a “duty to Europe’s Muslims” – to share in their resettlement and upkeep, rather than to come up with ways to keep them out of Europe in the first place.
Finally, John Shattuck mentions — he’s leaving no polemical stone unturned – a visit he made to Auschwitz, and how that supreme example of “intolerance” naturally put him in mind of other acts of intolerance today, such as a willingness to distinguish Muslim from non-Muslim immigrants, based on a reading of Islamic texts and the observable behavior of Muslims over time and across space. Yes, how true. Doesn’t the refusal of some Europeans to allow into their countries as many Muslims as want to come in make you think of Auschwitz? It’s our friend the slippery slope – dare to suggest that the ideology of Muslims is dangerous for non-Muslims, quote chapter and verse from Qur’an and Hadith, adduce the evidence offered by ex-Muslims and dozens of Western experts on Islam – and you’ll only be sliding right up to the barbed wire and “Arbeit Macht Frei.”
David Cameron, Angela Merkel, the Pope, all making big plans for Europe, and bringing up their rear, clichés of compassion at the ready, assorted john-shattucks making big plans for the United States – truly, never have so many been undone by so few.

andy from the cross says
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/world/europe/europe-turkey-visa.html
what refugee crisis?
mortimer says
Fitzgerald wrote: “for the Party of Good, People Are The Same The Whole World Over.”
Europe is committing massed collective suicide. Leftarded Europeans are many in number. They are clueless about jihad, uninformed about Islam and smug in their unexamined delusion.
Anne Smith says
I am sick and tired of uninformed political commentators talking claptrap about how Europe must solve the refugee crisis.
Just recently Newmarket racecourse hosted one of the world’s most prestigious racecards, for the One and Two Thousand Guineas races. All sponsored by the Qataris, money no object, they have a string of top class racehorses and also sponsor other huge race meetings. The Qatari horses run in all the top races.
Not one refugee has been taken in by Qatar or Saudi Arabia, Bahrein, Dubai, for that matter. Why has Europe got to provide homes, money, education, jobs, training etc. to all these Arabic refugees whilst the Arab world does not lift a finger to help any of them? Let their own kind take them in – into their vast unoccupied acres of land and help them with their vast reserves of oil money.
Or is it because the Saudis and their co-religionists see this as a wonderful opportunity to spread the caliphate throughout Europe? If we had political leaders worth their salt it would stop overnight but with idiots like Cameron in charge there is no hope.
jihad3tracker says
Perhaps Mr. Fitzgerald will not take umbrage if I do not comment specifically on the topic of his post here, but instead ask a question that is still relevant to that subject — Muslims and the essential goal of Islam.
NOW THAT CRUZ DROPPED OUT OF THE RACE, WILL THOSE OF US WHO BACKED HIM OR KASICH TRANSFER OUR VOTES TO TRUMP ????
Essentially, to give a reply requires your prior conclusion as to which would be worse for the survival of America: 4 years of a perhaps unhinged Trump or 4 years of seditionist leftie Hillary.
OK — let’s start the brawl ! ! ! I am waiting for responses.
mortimer says
j3t: with respect, everyone here is not American as you seem to assume.
jihad3tracker says
Hello again mortimer — I was certainly not assuming every JW reader is American, being quite appreciative of comments by non-U.S. munchkins I have read in about 5 years of visiting Robert’s blog.
For me & perhaps oodles of those who ARE citizens living within our borders, the “What now?” quandary is extremely important, if we hoped Cruz or Kasich would prevail into the convention.
You may have the last word — I am bailing out to do some other things.
quotha raven says
Jihad3watcher – who sez “OK — let’s start the brawl ! ! ! I am waiting for responses.”
I feel full of trepidation, but I’ll step up to the plate and vote for Trump.I was very suspicious of Cruz, once I learned about his associations with various unsavory entities, so I think now he’d be better suited to Supreme Court Justice! Ya think?
I remember when the City of New York had been “working on fixing” the crack in Wohlman Skating Rink in Central Park for about THREE YEARS (no skating, of course, for all that time, and no apparent progress in fixing the crack).It was in about 1985.that Trump basically stepped up and said “WTF, I WILL FIX IT” and set about to do so. It was operating within a couple of months. I was familiar with Trump at the time, but this act made him public spirited and heroic!
I can only hope he’ll do the same for the USA.
Cheers!
quotha raven
jihad3tracker says
Hello again raven — Thank you for that item about the Donald getting something done when others would not.
I was a supporter of Cruz. He is gone and Kasich has zero chance (if not actually withdrawing) so the old maxim “When you get lemons, make lemonade” will be dusted off and put over the fireplace of my ancestral mud hut.
I’m in it for Trump now, hoping that he is a work-in-progress so to speak, and that even for him —- a guy who has lived vividly & fortunately —- the possibility of becoming chief executive of the United States will have a humbling and clarifying effect.
As a 67 year old American who remembers presidential campaigns way back to 1960’s Kennedy / Nixon duel, onward through 2012, there has been nothing even close to this one in regard to what is at stake for our future.
We all are in for one Hellacious ride from now until the vote — buckle up and hang on !
quotha raven says
Yes, Jihad3 – I was enthusiastically supporting Cruz from the getgo – until, as I said, some unsavory connections made me skeptical about his straightforwardness. But until last night, I was fretting about whether, in the end, I could vote for Cruz OR Trump, the very entertaining loose cannon. Last night that decision was made for me, and I was surprised how easy it was for me to say. OK. Trump it is!
Cheers!
quotha raven
gravenimage says
I have my issues with Trump–as I did with Ted Cruz, incidentally.
But Trump with all his shortcomings is probably better on the central issue of Jihad than is the egregious Hillary. Far from perfect, but he has my vote.
quotha raven says
to Gravenimage – I have grave reservations about both Cruz and Trump. Big ones with Cruz, whom I originally enthusiastically supported, based on his record. But associations and connections later came to light that worried me and made me skeptical and ultimately distrustful. On the other hand, I can see Trump as a loose cannon, and also as a brilliant manipulator of public opinion, just like Obama was. And I don’t hear Trump mentioning the Constitution much. But governing or “leading” like a fascist dictator doesn’t strike me as an impossibility with Trump either! I felt a sense of relief last night when the decision was made for me, and now I’m just holding my breath waiting to see what happens next.
You’re an artist – you – and other JWers – might like a fascinating book called “Interlock”, by Patricia Goldstone. There are some excellent reviews of it on Amazonbooks.com. It’s about the work of Mark Lombardi. I haven’t finished it, but it’s a well-researched and chilling investigation into associations between Texas, money, art, oil, and politics as rendered in Lombardi’s unique artwork…and it’s full of info that might tweak one’s list of political favorites))))
Cheers!
quotha raven
Fessitude says
Two Jihad Watchers apparently oblivious to the fact that Cruz’s choice of VP, Carly Fiorina, praised Islam to the skies in several nauseating paragraphs (over 400 words) back in September 26 of 2001, a mere couple of weeks after 911 That’s the only reason I needed to oppose Cruz (but there were others — his refusal to back Trump’s moratorium on Muslim immigration, and his blaming of Trump for the Leftist shut-down of Trump’s Chicago rally — instead of blaming the Leftist Brown Shirts, Cruz blamed Trump: etc.).
Angemon says
Fessitude posted:
“Two Jihad Watchers apparently oblivious to the fact that Cruz’s choice of VP, Carly Fiorina, praised Islam to the skies in several nauseating paragraphs (over 400 words) back in September 26 of 2001”
2001? Right after 9/11? You mean, when everyone was doing their best “this had nothing to do with islam” part? Really, if that’s how far back you must go to smear Fiorina then it seems you don’t have much of a case…
“That’s the only reason I needed to oppose Cruz (but there were others — his refusal to back Trump’s moratorium on Muslim immigration”
I remember when I proposed a ban. Not a Trump-like temporary pause, an outright ban). I remember your reaction. You were sternly and adamantly against it. Heck you derided and mocked me for suggesting it, claiming I was an “asymptotic” and that I just “didn’t get” “it”. But now, here you are, supporting an inferior idea. Will I get an apology? A heartfelt “You were right all along, Angemon, and I see that now, and I genuinely regret and am ashamed of mocking you and setting up a smear campaign against you back then”? I’m not holding my breath – for all your huff and puff about “changing your mind when new data comes in”, you seemingly manage to (allegedly) change your mind while insisting that the people who held the views you’re changing to were, are and always will be wrong. Boy, if mental gymnastics were an Olympic sport you would be competing for the gold medal…
“and his blaming of Trump for the Leftist shut-down of Trump’s Chicago rally — instead of blaming the Leftist Brown Shirts, Cruz blamed Trump: etc.).”
Wait, what? Are you serious? Trump blamed the attack on Garland not on its perpetrators (devout muslims) but on Mr. Spencer and Mrs. Geller. I know you hate them, but come one, try to have a little consistency. How does that work? “Cruz blamed the violence in Trump’s rally on Trump rather than the people who did it and that’s bad, but Trump blamed the attack on Garland not on the aggressors but on the people they tried to kill, and that’s good”. That’s not even your usual cheap bigoted sophistry, that’s outright dual standards. And dual standards on the behalf of the person who *defended* the murdering jihadis.
And you call other people “softies”. Disgusting and pathetic.
gravenimage says
Hi, Quotha. You wrote:
to Gravenimage – I have grave reservations about both Cruz and Trump. Big ones with Cruz, whom I originally enthusiastically supported, based on his record…
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I have some pretty big reservations, as well. Debate about Cruz is, for now, at least, a moot point since he dropped out.
I don’t think Trump is apt to be a “fascist”–but his lack of political experience as well as loose cannon style does worry me, as does his disturbing criticism of freedom of speech and his inconsistent support for Israel.
But he is probably still a better choice than Hillary Clinton. No good choices.
More:
You’re an artist – you – and other JWers – might like a fascinating book called “Interlock”, by Patricia Goldstone. There are some excellent reviews of it on Amazonbooks.com. It’s about the work of Mark Lombardi. I haven’t finished it, but it’s a well-researched and chilling investigation into associations between Texas, money, art, oil, and politics as rendered in Lombardi’s unique artwork…and it’s full of info that might tweak one’s list of political favorites))))
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I don’t really consider Lombardi an artist–perhaps more a political commenter. I’ll look for the book, though. Thanks!
quotha raven says
to gravenimage – who sez “I don’t really consider Lombardi an artist–perhaps more a political commenter”.
I agree. I wasn’t familiar with him at all until an artist friend of mine recently recommended this book. Would highly suggest your having a look at some of the smart, descriptive reviews on amazon books to see whether you might like it. There is a lot of info about Saudis and Iran and oil investment, though nothing I have read yet specifically addresses jihad. “Interlock” contains loads of background info and corrupt connections via oil with w/powers that be and terrorist nations. It appears to be extremely well-researched and documented with regard to a gaggle of pols we all know.
BTW, the late Lombardi did his own investigation/work coming from a leftist viewpoint, but he lived in the art world, which world interests me, and the book is not so leftist that it is unbearable (and I have a relatively low tolerance point))). I’m finding it compelling.
Cheers!
quotha raven
Angemon says
gravenimage posted:
“I don’t think Trump is apt to be a “fascist”–but his lack of political experience as well as loose cannon style does worry me, as does his disturbing criticism of freedom of speech and his inconsistent support for Israel.
But he is probably still a better choice than Hillary Clinton. No good choices.”
I know, right? Meanwhile, born-again Trumpists are quick to assure us that “Trump understands this” or “Trump will do that”. How do they know? Well, because Trump, the author of the “Art of the Deal” and a savvy businessman, said something they wanted to hear. Never mind the times he said something contrary to his position and his history of flip-flopping and back-pedalling, because he meant what he said this time, and what he said this time abrogates all previous stances he had on the issue being discussed.
gravenimage says
Fessitude wrote:
Two Jihad Watchers apparently oblivious to the fact that Cruz’s choice of VP, Carly Fiorina, praised Islam to the skies…
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I said I had issues with Cruz–what would lead you from that to assume that did not include some aspects of his choice of running mate?
Angemon is correct that a lot of politicians, most of whom knew nothing about Islam, piled on the “Islam is a religion of peace” bandwagon right after 9/11. Even at the time–when I myself was less than well informed about Islam–this seemed like an odd and disturbing response.
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
Yup, this definitely worries me. It’s looking like Trump vs. Hillary. That’s what is known as a “lose-lose”. Thinking I will abstain from voting this time around.
quotha raven says
to aDhimmi…sho sez…”Thinking I will abstain from voting this time around.”
Don’t you dare! The USA is teetering on the edge of oblivion and, if you are a citizen, it is your absolute responsibility to figure it out and VOTE.
Cheers!
quotha raven
Lee says
Another great article by Hugh Fitzgerald. Off topic @jihad3tracker, I’m an Aussie, but for what it’s worth, if I lived in the US, Trump would have my formerly Australian Labor Party vote with 100% vehemence, for these reasons (abbreviated):
1. National sovereignty. No more Big Business holding down wages and conditions by subverting the labor market with 15 million illegal entrants into the country (among other tactics), and treating the idea of nationhood, American culture and people as a joke. (For the 15,000,000 figure see Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Director Sarah Saldaña http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/2/ice-gives-away-113-million-says-not-enough-illegal/ )
2. His focusing on jobs for American workers.
3. Focusing on achieving Peace, not Jihad. No more of politicians and Big Media importing an ideology of WAR against your civilization. It’s funny people call Trump a loose cannon etc, yet political TRAITORS *knowingly* import jihadis who have an ideology approving of *mass-murder of nuclear-war proportions*, and are just “normal politicians”. Meanwhile Big Media watches heads roll and have made years’-worth of profitable stories out of the ongoing and ultimately escalating conflict.
4. Hillary explicitly has no respect for any of the above issues. She even re-tweeted Malala Yousafzai’s threat that “The more you speak against Islam…the more terrorists will it create”. Clinton didn’t re-tweet to smear Malala as an “Islamophobe”, but because she thinks this is a *good case* for saying nothing that Muslims might take offence to, and to continue importing Muslims en masse. Fascist Clinton and Malala of course just made a case that Islam must have no place in the civilized free-speech world. See Clinton’s retweet at https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/725415149516013568
If Trump doesn’t win, I’m concerned politicians, Big Business, and Big Media will continue to treat Americans like door-mats, their home nation an economic no-man’s-land, a free-for-all and every jihadi, American civilization the object of hatred of “minorities” and jihadis, and the rest of the Muslim world the responsibility of American tax-payers. Another 4 years of what’s been happening wouldn’t be the end of the American nation, but the point of no return will eventually come.
And my selfish interest? Well, Americans aren’t just Australia’s staunchest ally, who fought alongside us to save us from Japanese fascism. They aren’t just the best people we have come to our country (a recent census showed American migrants are by far the most involved in Australian community groups of all migrants). But unfortunately a world where an American president makes a death-threat to the 6 billion non-Muslims in the world (his UN speech “the future MUST NOT belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam” – given in the context of Muslims killing and threatening people around the world regarding the “Innocence of Muslims” video, and thus validating their threats), is a threat to the future of my country too, where 98% of us don’t believe Muhammad’s claims. Please, no more of that.
Mark Swan says
You Got It Lee
Sam Hawkins says
Preach it, brother.
gravenimage says
Good post, Lee.
dumbledoresarmy says
Hugh: classic essay.
Well said.
Not entirely OT, something encountered on social media.
Out there in cyberspace a particular individual, who shall remain nameless, happened to post a link to an article full of a the usual Muslim accusations of “Islamophobia”, centring on a tragic murder that happened three years ago and that supposedly ‘proved’ that the UK was simply seething with hatred toward the poor, innocent, persecuted Muslims. Except of course that that one murder was, though terrible, an isolated incident not even conducted by a native Briton, and that no other similar events have taken place since (because the author would surely have not failed to mention them, had that been the case).
The article, by one ‘Maz Saleem’, was in the Independent.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/three-years-since-my-dad-was-murdered-by-an-islamophobic-terrorist-muslim-lives-are-still-at-risk-a7010056.html
The person who linked that article, and who swallowed everything in it entirely uncritically, and seems quite blithely convinced (because he knows so many nice, sweet, smiling, ‘secularist’ Muslims) that those who fear Islam and feel worried about its tenets and teachings, are being either silly or downright wicked, introduced the link with the following astonishing statement, and I quote:
“I remember how pleased I was when I first saw Muslims living in Ashton-under-Lyne. At last, I thought, diversity.”
I share that quote with you, Hugh, because I think that as a reflection of the Spirit of the Age, amongst the most wilfully self-deluded and uninformed or misinformed and dangerously-incurious of our compatriots, it can hardly be bettered.
gravenimage says
Dumbledore’s Army quoted:
“I remember how pleased I was when I first saw Muslims living in Ashton-under-Lyne. At last, I thought, diversity.”
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And what has that “diversity” brought to Ashton-under-Lyne?
Nothing good:
“Tensions high in British town after ‘Muslim youths’ attack ‘white girls'”
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3766/tensions_high_in_british_town_after_muslim_youths_attack_white_girls
A video from earlier this week claims to show a gang of “Muslim youths” attacking “white girls” in the town of Ashton-under-Lyne
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The *only* good thing here is that it looks as though the Brits–both boys and the girls–fought back against their Muslim assailants, and had the presence of mind to film the attack.
This town is outside Manchester, which has seen Muslim violence, as well.
David says
Anyone who wants to bring in a half million. Insane, barbaric savages, has to be JUST PLAIN NUTZ! We don’t have the prison space! And concentrate camps are just no Kosher anymore.
Build a wall and bar all entry from any muslim country. It’s the only safe solution.
Sam Hawkins says
500,000? Where does that figure come from? In fact, 1.1 million “refugees” were registered in Germany’s official system in 2015, but already in late September 2015, the head of Germany’s Asylee Authority said that hundreds of thousands of additional “refugees” had not even been registered.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%BCchtlingskrise_in_Deutschland_ab_2015#Bilanz_2015_und_2016.2Ferstes_Quartal
gravenimage says
Quite true, Sam–that figure was low-balling it.
Europe has already let in *millions* of rapefugees–and it is just starting.
mortimer says
The Leftards have let slip their ultimate agenda, which is the total obscuring of nationalities and the elimination of national consciousness. At that point, countries will be indistinguishable one from another.
The Leftards’ total lacuna of ignorance about Islam is the dangerous part of the equation: they have no understanding whatever of life under Sharia. They assume that Sharia is optional and will not affect them, not knowing that Sharia law is the discriminatory, misogynistic, supremacist law of the Islamic empire.
Leftards like Shattuck are clueless clucks in the matter of Islam. They have made an unholy alliance with savages.
sog says
It’s similar to importing the Angles and the Saxons to Briton, except far, far, worse, and infinitely dumber.
KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM says
Is Shattuck a candidate for a bottom spanking, Morti – or something more serious?
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
Jesus christ. Every time I read through these comments, there’s Kaboom with his “bottom spanking” comment. Can you try something new please? You’re starting to creep me out dude…
mortimer says
Fitzgerald wrote: “never have so many been undone by so few”
Disagree. There are many cultural Marxists and they are angry and intolerant of those who contradict them…and they are uninformed as pigs. It’s ‘Animal Farm’.
WorkingClassPost says
Has this guy Shittack
just elevated stupid to a form of art?
Jay Boo says
WCP
Your comment was the only one that managed to stay on topic out of all of the above 11 comments so far.
KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM says
Really? Who appointed you arbiter?
Jay Boo says
KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Is NEVER on topic
A waste
Jerry says
Islam is touted as a religion of peace filled with compassion for humanity. Unfortunately it’s never where it matters most, like human rights and religious freedom. And that might explain why these fake refugees know better than go to some muslim country for help. Instead they go to the “evil” infidels for compassion and material aid. Then they build enclaves and take over.
I’m so sick of our politicians and media lying for this “Nazish” religion. Civilized and sane people don’t make excuses for the Holocaust and we shouldn’t make excuses for islam’s jihad murder of infidels. We need to get the truth out, those that defend this sick ideology are using words as weapons to destroy our freedoms and human rights. These apologists for evil pretend to care about religious tolerance and suffering migrants, but in truth they are filled with snakes of discord and hateful intent.
Islam is not just words on paper, it’s a belief system embedded in the hearts and minds of those who live by that creed–MUSLIMS. I don’t want these muslims in America because it means more of their violent and bigoted faith, a faith that has declared war on all non-muslims and is destroying the world’s peace. Islam is a political agenda of murder and conquest with some religious sentiment mixed in, so trust me, it does not fit our crayon-box definition of “religious freedom,” nor does it deserve constitutional protection as a religion. By preventing the growth of islam we are defending religious freedom, in the same way you defend the 2nd amendment by preventing the illegal and immoral use of guns. We also preserve our nation’s peace and future prosperity. May the true god of love and spiritual blessings–if there be one–protect us from islam’s evil plan.
Time to render our traitors jobless! Replace them with true patriots that love America!
Jay Boo says
Shittack — traitor to non-Muslims
NPR — traitor sanctuary
CeltictotheBone says
Well spoken Jerry.
mortimer says
The Farmer and the Snake
A Farmer walked through his field one cold winter morning. On the ground lay a Snake, stiff and frozen with the cold. The Farmer knew how deadly the Snake could be, and yet he picked it up and put it in his bosom to warm it back to life. The Snake soon revived, and when it had enough strength, bit the man who had been so kind to it. The bite was deadly and the Farmer felt that he must die. “Oh,” cried the Farmer with his last breath, “I am rightly served for pitying a scoundrel.” The Greatest Kindness Will Not Bind the Ungrateful.
– Aesop
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
First we found out that we’re failing innocent Moslems by not letting enough into the States. Now we discover that we’re contributing to the forthcoming collapse of Europe. As the weight of unmet responsibilities mount, we are crushing ourselves with misunderstanding, phobias and just plain old meanness. Let’s bring in a half million or so Syrian refugees from Syria, Iraq, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Algeria, the Sudan, Pakistan and elsewhere and get this Syrian refugee crisis behind us.
You know, the traffic lights on a one-way street can turn green.
Angemon says
He can take his recommendations and shove it alongside the ivory tower he lives in. What he’s counselling will break Europe as well as infect the US. And let’s face it, demographically speaking the US is one generation or two ahead of Europe.
Michael Laudahn says
As an american-sceptic individual, I hate to say what follows, but I am realistic enough to realise the facts: Help us by providing leadership (meaning, vote for the right president), for this is what we don’t have. No matter how good Victor Orbán or Geert Wilders (not even in power) are, what can they do if they are surrounded by group-insane twits. A few well-placed arse-kicks by an american president worthy this name during a european visit could make all the difference.
mortimer says
Shattuck is an unread Pollyanna.
Walter Sieruk says
The different nation of Europe actually have no moral obligation to take in Muslim refugees in from the Middle East . or from other Islamic countries for that matter. Some of them may be dangerous, as proven, many times over, as in France. In fact, some of those Muslim immigrants might be jihadists who are operatives of ISIS, al Qaeda or some other like-mind malicious and deadly Islamic terror organization . Those malice-filled scheming militant jihadists with their vicious and murderous intentions . Those jihad-minded Muslim terrorists who might to allowed to enter Europe are so very insidious and heinous they are similar to ,in character ,those hideous villains described in the Bible .Which reads “They encourage each other in their evil plans, they talk about hiding their snares; they say ‘Who will see them ?’ They plot injustice and say , ‘W have devised a perfect plan !’ Surely the mind and heart of man are cunning.” Psalm 64::5,6. [N.I.V.]
Northern Virginiastan says
Hugh is referring to the May 2, 2016 broadcast of On Point, http://onpoint.wbur.org/2016/05/02/european-refugees-america-john-shattuck. To borrow an expression from Donald Trump, the program was rigged. Host Jane Clayson agreed with Shattuck. I believe that callers were selected because they agreed with Shattuck’s views.
As one listener noted:
There was only ONE caller on this hour-long program who was at all critical of giving every refugee worldwide “the shirt off their back” as the altruistic Christians and Pollyanna POLITICALLY CORRECT Muslim apologists advocate. This caller started to say that “…99% of these refugees are Muslims…” AND HE WAS ABRUPTLY CUT OFF IN MID-SENTENCE!
Jay Boo says
Thank you, Northern Virginiastan
That is exactly true.
“the program was rigged”
Unfortunately. this is not an aberration at NPR.
The regurgitate this doctrine of Western “duty” on a daily basis.
This is NPR’s standard MO to shamelessly propagandize their aggressive pro-Muslim agenda using a smokescreen of deceptive tactics to avoid telling the truth.
— Shaming
(“the Party of the Good declaring its goodness. ” ) labels any opposition to their pre-conceive immigration schemes as “xenophobic far-right”. and
— Extortion
Not accepting Muslim immigration, we are told will ….
“only fuel Muslim outrage that they are being discriminated against, and that outrage will naturally lead to more Muslim hatred, and even help the Islamic State with its recruiting efforts.”
Northern Virginiastan says
I give credit to NPR for responding to listeners’ complaints, although the responses may not be adequate.
Once in a while, it does work. NPR management did tell a reporter that her interview with Yusuf Islam FKA Cat Stevens was not sufficiently “probing,” after listener complaints (most likely because she did not query Yusuf Islam about his support for the fatwa on Salman Rushdie).
If NPR is bad, PRI’s The World is worse.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
AND HE WAS ABRUPTLY CUT OFF IN MID-SENTENCE!
I’d say that this is emblematic of everything about the West and Islam, but that would be wrong. The caller got a half sentence out, which is more than is generally allowed. The culture has the Mute button pressed on all reactions to the Moslem problem.
Rezali Mehil says
Hugh asks… He (John) never explained why Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or Qatar could not accept some refugees (they’ve accepted none), or at least contribute, given their vast wealth, to their upkeep (they’ve given almost nothing);
The answer to this is simple…Amrike/Canadian Fracking.
You see 90% of the Saudi exports are oil. They (e.g. Saudi) already have a rising population and they need money to purchase their subjects loyalty. So in the past when they needed a bit of additional revenue…just turn the taps off a bit …let the prices rise and they can balance the books …nice and simple really.
And then along came fracking ….to spoil the party …. they have tried to turn the taps down…but fracking turns their taps up.
They have tried to flood the market with cheap oil …fracking industry although damaged a bit …won’t piss off, and that now is a real problem for Saudi in particular.
Whilst some of you may baulk at the highly sensitive issues of subject loyalty …this is taken for granted.
A rising population , most of whom are under the age of 30, unemployment at 30%, subsidised elec, education, cheap petrol, medical free treatment. You have to handle with care.
Already Saudia had had to cut their reserves cut by 200 billion Euros to keep them happy…Now they only got 600 Billion left in the bank.
That is gonna keep the Saudi going for the next 4-5 years whilst they figure out how to ask the population to start paying a bit of income tax, get a few women to work a bit, kick in a bit of modernisation, foreign kuffar investment all whilst keeping the wahabbis happy.
You must appreciate that this is a difficult time for the Saudi et al, change is difficult to manage…
and the last thing on their mind is think about the Europen problem of economic migrants.
You have got to appreciate this …that change is managed wisely such that whabbis remain happy …so things change at a “suitable” pace.
The last thing that Europe and America need is an additional several million Saudia (et al) economic migrants knocking on Europe/American border doors to be let in, because they cannot stand the suffering stigma of having to pay income tax and the stifling heat as the electricity is rationed.
I hope you can see now Hugh that, asking the Saudi to take in foreigners is simply not on their priority radar.
The West needs to be highly respectful of the monumental changes required… migrants are white noise on the radar …please do not write up such a boring subject titles again…your cooperation in this matter will be appreciated.
More Later ….
Rezali
Jay Boo says
Saudis are Muslims
They know quite well that many of these Koran carrying Muslims from war torn countries are the most unstable of them all and are a clear and present danger even to other Muslims.
Jay Boo says
BTW, Rezali
Nice try, but no sale.
I am not buying any of your defective bait and switch merchandise.
common sense says
Saudi Arabia? Really? Maybe the Middle eastern nations should fix their own problems before knocking on our door. Most of us could care less and we’d be stupid to…maybe if they fix their human and Womans rights problems it’d be a start.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Maybe the Middle eastern nations should fix their own problems before knocking on our door.
If by Middle Eastern nations you mean Moslem nations, they have not desire to fix their own problem, which is Islam itself. Quite the opposite, they love the stuff. They want to come here for the good life, the rich living. And they will be brought here, even after Donald is elected and later in his tenure President Trump is browbeaten by the media to the point he can’t take it any longer, and the Moslems will thrive, at least until the Islamize this place. Then they’ll move on to another place. I’m sure the communist Chinese will be happy to bring in several million unhappy American Moslems in a few decades.
Btw, why isn’t China being held responsible for doing their part? Where are the calls to make them take in Moslems?
Mazo says
The United States of America has just 310 million people, China has 1.3 billion people and is smaller in area than the USA. The USA is bigger and produces more food than it needs.
There are over 30 million Muslims in China. There are 16 million in Russia which has just 143 million people.
The United States says there are just 3.3 million Muslims within its borders.
The USA supported the Muslim Brotherhood since the Republican Eisenhower administration in the 1950s to attack nationalists and anti imperialists in the Arab world. The USA needs to up its intake of refugees so it can have a similar demographic to the other major states. The USA has interfered in the Arab world’s affair and everyone elses,
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“The USA needs to up its intake of refugees so it can have a similar demographic to the other major states.”
That’s SJW nonsense that won’t get any traction here. But since you’re bringing all that up, a correlation can be made between the % of muslims in a population and the development level of a country – the less the better 🙂
“The USA has interfered in the Arab world’s affair and everyone elses,”
Arabs and muslims have been interfering in everyone else’s business since the 7th century. I propose, instead, that Europeans, Americans and everyone else invade the Arab and muslim world.
gravenimage says
The appalling Mazo wrote:
The United States of America has just 310 million people, China has 1.3 billion people and is smaller in area than the USA. The USA is bigger and produces more food than it needs.
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So why don’t we feed a huge influx of rapist Muslims? C’mon–it’ll be fun! sarc/off
More:
There are over 30 million Muslims in China. There are 16 million in Russia which has just 143 million people.
The United States says there are just 3.3 million Muslims within its borders.
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China has had mass knife attacks on train stations and police stations, and Russia has had murderous hostage situations at the Moscow Opera and at a school, not to mention bombings on the subway and at airports–just look what we’re missing out on! sarc/off
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The USA supported the Muslim Brotherhood since the Republican Eisenhower administration in the 1950s to attack nationalists and anti imperialists in the Arab world…The USA has interfered in the Arab world’s affair and everyone elses, (sic)
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There is no doubt that the US–and many other Infidel nations–have sometimes had foolish, short-sighted policies when it comes to dealing with ravening Mohammedans.
But that is not what Mazo is implying her–he is implying that America is responsible for violent Jihad instead of his own savage coreligionists, which is absurd.
More:
The USA needs to up its intake of refugees so it can have a similar demographic to the other major states…
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And why would that be? Because Mazo doesn’t want to see any Infidels who aren’t suffering “enough” from the depredations of his violet coreligionists.
Perhaps instead, all nations in Dar-al-Harb should have Muslim populations more like that of the US–or, even better, like Japan, Costa Rica, Tonga, or the Falkland Islands? Sounds good to me.
quotha raven says
Go git him, Graven. Well done. Mazo is devious, contemptable and generally horrid.
Cheers!
quotha raven
gravenimage says
Thank you, Quotha!
gravenimage says
The repellent Rezali Mehil is back:
Hugh asks… He (John) never explained why Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or Qatar could not accept some refugees (they’ve accepted none), or at least contribute, given their vast wealth, to their upkeep (they’ve given almost nothing);
The answer to this is simple…Amrike/Canadian Fracking.
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Uh huh–because Saudi Arabia and Qatar were known for philanthropically taking in refugees before fracking was invented…oh, wait…no they weren’t…
More:
You see 90% of the Saudi exports are oil. They (e.g. Saudi) already have a rising population and they need money to purchase their subjects loyalty. So in the past when they needed a bit of additional revenue…just turn the taps off a bit …let the prices rise and they can balance the books …nice and simple really.
And then along came fracking ….to spoil the party …. they have tried to turn the taps down…but fracking turns their taps up.
They have tried to flood the market with cheap oil …fracking industry although damaged a bit …won’t piss off, and that now is a real problem for Saudi in particular.
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Oh, no! Bad Infidels, always inventing things! Don’t they know their inventions–such as internal combustion engines, which made oil a valuable commodity in the first place–should only be used to enrich Mohammedans?
More:
Whilst some of you may baulk at the highly sensitive issues of subject loyalty …this is taken for granted.
A rising population , most of whom are under the age of 30, unemployment at 30%, subsidised elec, education, cheap petrol, medical free treatment. You have to handle with care.
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And why is unemployment so high in Saudi Arabia? For one thing, it has no real economy beyond oil, and even with mandated do-nothing placeholder positions for Saudi citizens in the oil industry, most of the actual workers there are Americans and other Westerners in engineering and management, and other Infidels doing the drilling.
In fact, there are many jobs Saudis will not take–construction, service, other blue-collar work–and many more they are not qualified for. The Saudis import huge numbers of laborers and maids from places like Malaysia and the Philippines, whom they treat like slaves.
The fact is that most Saudis do not believe they should have to engage in productive labor at all. And why not? This is the Muslim ideal.
And civilized nations don’t have to buy their citizens’ loyalty–they have generally rational governments and most of their citizens consider themselves patriots.
More:
Already Saudia had had to cut their reserves cut by 200 billion Euros to keep them happy…Now they only got 600 Billion left in the bank.
That is gonna keep the Saudi going for the next 4-5 years whilst they figure out how to ask the population to start paying a bit of income tax, get a few women to work a bit, kick in a bit of modernisation, foreign kuffar investment all whilst keeping the wahabbis happy.
You must appreciate that this is a difficult time for the Saudi et al, change is difficult to manage…
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Cry me a river…
More:
and the last thing on their mind is think about the Europen (sic) problem of economic migrants.
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Why, exactly, is this a *European* problem? Just because Rezali Mehil’s coreligionists, just like herself, are not refugees, and are not even economic migrants–they are coming here as invaders intent on destroying our nations and turning them into barbaric Islamic hell holes.
They’ll be glad to collect welfare and other bennies in the meantime, of course…
More:
You have got to appreciate this …that change is managed wisely such that whabbis remain happy …so things change at a “suitable” pace.
The last thing that Europe and America need is an additional several million Saudia (et al) economic migrants knocking on Europe/American border doors to be let in, because they cannot stand the suffering stigma of having to pay income tax and the stifling heat as the electricity is rationed.
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The question was why Saudi Arabia doesn’t take in Muslim refugees–not why Saudis themselves don’t become migrants.
Is it any surprise, though, that Muslims who have rejected reason would be unable to follow even such a simple argument? Of course not…
More:
I hope you can see now Hugh that, asking the Saudi to take in foreigners is simply not on their priority radar.
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Of course it isn’t–the Saudis care nothing about their fellow Muslims, except in making sure they have plenty of supremacist Mosques.
The fact is that it is the West that provides most of the charity for the world, including for Muslims. This is true even when adjusted for income.
And the *least* charitable? Why, that would be the Muslim world–and this is true when adjusted for income, as well. Even wealthy Muslims like the Saudis are extremely *uncharitable*. This should not surprise–unlike Christianity and Judaism, Islam teaches little about charity, and Muslims are actually prohibited from charitable giving to Infidels.
Zakat is often translated as “charity”, but it is not. It has more to do with funding violent Jihad than it does with actual charity like running hospitals or aiding victims of natural disasters.
More:
The West needs to be highly respectful of the monumental changes required… migrants are white noise on the radar …please do not write up such a boring subject titles again…your cooperation in this matter will be appreciated.
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In other words, continue to take in hordes of Muslim rapefugees, and don’t expect Dar-al-Islam to do the same–you filthy Infidels.
Champ says
In other words, continue to take in hordes of Muslim rapefugees, and don’t expect Dar-al-Islam to do the same–you filthy Infidels.
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Indeed, Graven! …that pretty much sums up what repulsive “rezali” is advocating.
Mark Swan says
Mazo and Rezali Mehil…meet their match, with gravenimage’s point for point
analysis of what they say…She’s a wonder…that’s a fact.
Custos Custodum says
Thanks, Graven, your ever-poignant rebuttals are much appreciated.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Champ, Mark, and Custos!
Rezali Mehil says
Salaam Graven,
Fit, well and still childless I presume…. Dennis not able to address the Jaffa syndrome yet then?
Anyway to more serious matters… here is more on the start of the serious effects that I predicted.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-binladin-group-to-lay-off-50-000-as-low-oil-prices-bite-1462193499
The most interesting aspect of the report …
“The job cuts, which were first reported by Saudi media, coincided with riots in Mecca during the weekend. Pictures and footage circulating on social media, which couldn’t be independently verified, showed protesters setting buses on fire. A spokesman for the Mecca Civil Defense confirmed they had to extinguish fire in seven buses and that an investigation was under way.”
You can see why it is important for Saudi nationals not to pay tax… they get pissed off , prides get hurt and tempers flare… 7 buses torched in the holy city of Mecca…
I would urge Amrkie to invest in Saudi …to help them to diversify… you owe them something … you have been driving because of being able to fill your cards with Saudi petrol fro nearly 50 years….
More Later
Rezali
gravenimage says
After the obligatory personal insult from the vile Rezali Mehil, she wrote:
Anyway to more serious matters… here is more on the start of the serious effects that I predicted.
The most interesting aspect of the report …
“The job cuts, which were first reported by Saudi media, coincided with riots in Mecca during the weekend. Pictures and footage circulating on social media, which couldn’t be independently verified, showed protesters setting buses on fire. A spokesman for the Mecca Civil Defense confirmed they had to extinguish fire in seven buses and that an investigation was under way.”
You can see why it is important for Saudi nationals not to pay tax… they get pissed off , prides get hurt and tempers flare… 7 buses torched in the holy city of Mecca…
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An odd combination of gloating and victim-mongering. This should not surprise–the Saudis are Rezali Mehil’s fellow Muslims, but they are Sunni to her Shia–hence the schizophrenic tone.
But this is quite common with Mohammedans.
As for “they get pissed off , prides get hurt and tempers flare…”, that pretty much sums up the Muslim approach to the least frustration.
We Americans just paid our taxes April 15, yet we were not out rioting in the streets and torching buses.
More:
I would urge Amrkie to invest in Saudi …to help them to diversify… you owe them something … you have been driving because of being able to fill your cards with Saudi petrol fro nearly 50 years….
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Actually, the United States produces more oil than does Saudi Arabia–we are an exporter, and have *never* had to rely on the Saudis to gas up our cars.
Russia, in fact, also produces almost the oil that the Saudis do.
As for oil *reserves*, Venezuela has more than does Saudi Arabia, and Canada almost as much.
The Saudis are, of course, big oil exporters–but they have no monopoly.
And we have been facilitating the Saudi’s oil industry for decades–the idea that we “owe them” is ridiculous.
But then, Muslims *always* feel that the Infidels “owe them” and need to keep them on the dole. *Ugh*.
And as I noted, Saudi Arabia, with its vast unearned oil wealth, could have diversified long since–but that would involve actual work, something the average Saudi believes is beneath him:
“Saudi youth, the issue of unemployment and work ethic”
http://www.arabnews.com/columns/saudi-youth-issue-unemployment-and-work-ethic
“There is Nitaqat and labor rules requiring the companies to hire Saudis. But, the Saudis are not taught at an early age the importance of work ethic…”
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Of course, so many Muslims have a poor work ethic, due to the vicious “Prophet’s” disdain for productive labor and belief that it is only fit for slaves. But the Saudis are some of the few able–for now, at least–to largely live out this Mohammedan ideal…
Custos Custodum says
Watch your tone, Rezzie-boy, when addressing adults.
As regards Saudi Arabia, their massive payments to anti-fracking campaigners have helped delay things, but competition is hard to beat back in the long run. Remember the candle-stick makers.
The House of Saud are smart, so they will take in as many millions of Muslims and non-Muslims as we tell them. The “Rub’-al-Khali” (“Empty Quarter”) still has plenty of space, and the Bin-Laden Group will be happy to land some new contracts.
Buying political protection by shmeering pols, journos and profs in the U.S. and Europe is also getting harder. People can be so ungrateful! You may have noticed that Barry now has new friends in Tehran. Being on speaking terms with the Persians is actually helpful because we need to discuss some territorial changes in the Arabian peninsula with them and the adult players, Russia and China.
On the RINO side of the aisle, you will have heard that the Bushies and Cruz have lost some of their grip on the levers of power. Barbara Bush made a major mistake letting Jeb run, because we now have serious opposition research in various hands waiting to be played. The Saudi dons must realize that the Bushies are no longer entirely sound as consiglieres.
But let’s not get personal about these problems – we all know you are a fun, open-minded kind of guy. What do you say we sit down for a brewsky, let’s say during the Ashura celebrations in Mecca later this year?
Sam Hawkins says
Think she is a girl 🙂
Angemon says
Rezali Mehil posted:
“You see 90% of the Saudi exports are oil.”
And Pakistanis and Iranians just hate them god-damned Arabs who know nothing about islam and somehow were bless by allah with wealth literally out of the ground – all thanks to the kuffar, of course, since Arabs weren’t the ones coming up with the Industrial Revolution.
But don’t you worry, Reza – there are non-muslim oil-rich countries out there more than willing to sell their oil to non-muslim nations, plus new technologies that will result in less need for oil. Eventually the Saudis will be as pauper as any given muslim country without oil, and you’ll be able to point and laugh at them – just as long as you forget that you are in the same boat as them. “Tis better to have oil and lose it than to never have oil at all”.
common sense says
No Law exists to do anything for refugee’s from any part of the world. Just an out of touch POTUS pushing them through our borders. No obligation or promise has been made by the American people, a fervent will to help out does not exist. I can barely read about these clowns and their suicidal ideas anymore….and before you wonder what kind of person I am I work with every type of person imaginable including Muslims (educated Muslims).
Jack Diamond says
John Shattuck may run a university in Budapest but fortunately someone quite different is the Prime Minister of Hungary. Victor Orban speaks for those Europeans and Americans who have a very different concept of “duty” than Shattuck and all the usual suspects (the EU, the UN, Merkel, Soros, Cameron, Obama, NY Times et al):
“It is forbidden to say that those arriving are not refugees, but that Europe is threatened by migration.
It is forbidden to say that tens of millions are ready to set out in our direction.
It is forbidden to say that immigration brings crime and terror to our countries.
It is forbidden to point out that the masses arriving from other civilizations endanger our way of life, our culture, our customs and our Christian traditions.
It is forbidden to point out that those who arrived earlier have already built up their own new, separate world for themselves, with its own laws and ideals, which is forcing apart the thousand-year-old structure of Europe.
It is forbidden to point out that this is not an accidental and unintentional chain of consequences, but a preplanned and orchestrated operation; a mass of people directed towards us.
Europe is the community of Christian, free, and independent nations; equality of men and women; fair competition and solidarity; pride and humility; justice and mercy.
This time the danger is not attacking us the way wars and natural disasters do, suddenly pulling the rug from under our feet.
Mass migration is a slow stream of water persistently eroding the shores.
It is masquerading as a humanitarian cause, but its true nature is the occupation of territory.
And what is gaining territory for them is losing territory for us.
The main danger to Europe’s future does not come from those who want to come here, but from Brussels’ fanatical internationalism. We should not allow Brussels to place itself above the law.
We shall not allow it to force upon us the bitter fruit of its cosmopolitan immigration policy.
We shall not import to Hungary crime, terrorism, homophobia and synagogue-burning anti-Semitism.
There shall be no urban districts beyond the reach of the law, there shall be no mass disorder.
No immigrant riots here, and there shall be no gangs hunting down our women and daughters.
We shall not allow others to tell us whom we can let into our home and country, whom we will live alongside, and with whom we will share our country.
The task which awaits the Hungarian people, the nations of Central Europe and the other European nations which have not yet lost all common sense is to defeat, rewrite and transform the fate intended for us.
We Hungarians and Poles know how to do this. We have been taught that one can only look danger in the face if one is brave enough. We must therefore drag the ancient virtue of courage out from under the silt of oblivion.
First of all we must put steel in our spines, and we must answer clearly, with a voice loud enough to be heard far and wide, the foremost, the single most important question determining our fate:
The question upon which the future of Europe stands or falls is this:
“Shall we be slaves or men set free — That is the question, answer me!”
-Hungarian PM Victor Orban 3/15/2016
gravenimage says
Here’s more from the witless John Shattuck:
“Learn more In the battle for hearts and minds, branding refugees as security threats – as politicians on both sides of the Atlantic are doing – only fuels intolerance and gives terrorists a potent recruitment tool to convince young Muslims that the West has no place for them. This is a battle of values that we should be winning…”
In other words, we should take in millions of hostile Muslims–and if we don’t, he threatens that they will become full-blown terrorists.
What could possibly go wrong?
“Terrorists and the refugee battleground by john shattuck – project syndicate”
http://educationus.in/terrorists-and-the-refugee-battleground-by-john-shattuck-project-syndicate__
Michael Copeland says
Mr. Shattuck could try to listen to muslim leaders themselves:
“The jihad will lead to smashing Western civilization and replacing it with Islam which will dominate the world … .”
Muhammad Mahdi Akef, Muslim Brotherhood
See “Mr. Camerfon, Islam is Hostile”
http://www.libertygb.org.uk/news/mr-cameron-islam-hostile
mortimer says
Agree. ‘Listen to the Muslim leaders’…their agenda is based on classic Islam…not wishful thinking of cultural Marxists who have not read Islam’s foundational source texts.
jewdog says
Many intellectuals are more wedded to abstract concepts than to empirical reality. Sometimes you just have to stop theorizing about morality and look around. Anyway, isn’t the highest form of morality the obligation to protect life?
DFD says
Actually the US has a duty to share the Muslim burden with Europe.
After all, you have many more precision weapons, bombs, etc. than we do. If you are reluctant to use them on the right targets, such as Molenbeck, Berlin Neukoln & Kreuzberg, outskirts of Paris, Londinistan & Luton, etc. Maybe you can lend them to us? By “us” I mean us *real* Europeans.
Trust me, we know where to put ’em.
PS: Londinistan may be a bit tricky, Putin could be cheesed off, if a semi-Russian city were to be bombed — I got to check my coffee, must be different brand than what I normally have….
Berengaria says
These aliens are NOT refugees, they are Rapefugees & Americans do
Not want them. We had enough of them on 9/11/2001. No More. If youl Lefties want them in Buda or Pest. Say so!
Renee says
The real refugees are the Jews in Europe, fleeing anti-Semitism.
Guess what they are fleeing from??
Mark Swan says
Yes Indeed Renee
gravenimage says
True.
Richard Paulsen says
Of course he didn´t say anything about discrimination of non muslims in muslim countries. Non muslims being just some 0-10% in most countries with islamic rule.
Of course not a word about all mosques in Europe and in all of the Western world being built. Nothing about the fact that no churches are being constructed in islamic countries.
Of course not wondering whether you are a refugee or not establishing the same as in the country you escaped from.
Of course not asking himself why there are so many men compared to women leaving islamic countries for Europe.
Sweden is the country allowing most refugees per capita in Europe. The EU commission and Sweden now demands other countries to take in more in order to help Sweden. Even to send money to Sweden.
Frans Timmermann of the EU commission proposes a fine of some 1 million SKR or some $ 150.000 per “refugee” being denied in.
Sweden boasts about having the best economy in the world. Better than in any country in Europe and even than the U.S.A.
If swedish economy is as good as being told by leading politicians and economists and can´t manage, how then is it possible to expect poor countries to manage?
The leaders in Europe have lost their minds.
Below Juncker, Chairman of the EU Commission, explains Europe needs “refugees” since there are fewer children being born in Europe. Ignores helping europeans and european families.
http://ec.europa.eu/priorities/migration_en
Jack Diamond says
yes, that’s another of their specious arguments “without migration the EU’s working age population will decline by 17.5 million in the next decade. Migration will increasingly be an important way to enhance the sustainability of our welfare system and to ensure sustainable growth of the EU economy.” That mighty Muslim workforce. Then there is the dreaded “root causes”: “many of the root causes of migration lie deep in global issues which the EU has been trying to address for many years…Civil war, persecution, poverty, and climate change all feed directly and immediately into migration, so the prevention and mitigation of these threats is of primary importance for the migration debate.”
It’s called Eurabia (the merging of “civilizations”, in reality the swallowing of one by the other) and it’s fate was decided decades ago by superior beings like the EU Commission. Allah willing.
Richard Paulsen says
The ” Blame it on Europe, never on the arabstates ” syndrome.
gravenimage says
Jack Diamond wrote:
yes, that’s another of their specious arguments “without migration the EU’s working age population will decline by 17.5 million in the next decade. Migration will increasingly be an important way to enhance the sustainability of our welfare system and to ensure sustainable growth of the EU economy.” That mighty Muslim workforce…
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This is so true, Jack. The fact is that the mushrooming Muslim influx is *costing* Europeans, since so many of them, far from working, are eternally on the dole–and that is just in terms of Euros.
That an aging population is being exposed to an aggressive young demographic adhering to a violent creed is a recipe for disaster–as it has already proven.
The cost is not just in increased security measures, but in the terrible threat to safety and our civilized values.
Reni Jollant says
It is the Muslims’ duty to solve the Muslim problem! They know how to handle the rapist, murderous, thieving hordes…and they don’t allow them to sue to get innocent citizens’ money because they are SO INSULTED that they are not respected.
Richard Paulsen says
Agree. The UN and the EU should demand that arabcountries take responsibility for their own citizens in their own countries and to stop them from leaving.
They are not the business of others.
gravenimage says
Reni Jollant wrote:
It is the Muslims’ duty to solve the Muslim problem! They know how to handle the rapist, murderous, thieving hordes…
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I’m afraid not, Reni. While Sharia’ah *may* apply when the victims are Muslim–although rarely if they are vulnerable women, children, or minorities–they *never* apply to Infidels.
Rape, theft, and even murder of non-Muslims is rarely prosecuted at all in Dar-al-Islam, and in the rare cases where it is, one can expect nothing more than a slap on the wrist for the Mohammedans–usually followed by violent rampages against the Infidel community.
Abu Nudnik says
The chief duty of a nation is to survive.
Richard Paulsen says
Right.
kilfincelt says
Agree!!!
gravenimage says
Hugh Fitzgerald: John Shattuck and America’s “Duty” to Solve Europe’s Refugee Crisis
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We have a “duty” to take in every Muslim rapefugee…
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And that, says Shattuck, can only fuel Muslim outrage that they are being discriminated against, and that outrage will naturally lead to more Muslim hatred, and even help the Islamic State with its recruiting efforts…
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If we don’t take in violent Muslim “refugees”, they will be forced to become even more violent.
In that case, we might still be better off if they weren’t right here in our own civilized country.
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In other words, Shattuck warns: we must take in more of those Muslim migrants, or else. There is a name for this: it is called extortion. And it has no end. Keep taking in those Muslims, or else….
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Yes–until we become a Muslim hell hole ourselves.
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Our putative “duty to Europe” turns out to be a “duty to Europe’s Muslims” – to share in their resettlement and upkeep, rather than to come up with ways to keep them out of Europe in the first place.
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Yes–Europe has no “duty” to take in millions of ravening Mohammedans, and neither do we.
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Finally, John Shattuck mentions — he’s leaving no polemical stone unturned – a visit he made to Auschwitz, and how that supreme example of “intolerance” naturally put him in mind of other acts of intolerance today…
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Grotesque–in order to “atone” for the Holocaust, we have to indiscriminately invite in millions of antisemites screaming that they will finish the job Hitler started.
And while one *might* be able to make such a claim in regards to Germany and Austria–though this is pretty iffy, over seventy years on–how would it apply *at all* to nations like the United States, whose soldiers *liberated* the camps?
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such as a willingness to distinguish Muslim from non-Muslim immigrants, based on a reading of Islamic texts and the observable behavior of Muslims over time and across space…
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**Yes**. If there is a parallel to WWII, it is not the plight of the Jews–instead, it is efforts to keep Nazis out of the United States following the war.
Another fine piece by Hugh Fitzgerald.
Guest says
We don’t have to do squat! Europe made this mess, so they have to be the ones to clean it up.
Richard says
As demographics and electoral significance start to influence strategic foreign policy making in the near future in Europe; so it will become strategically important for the United States to nurture sympathies in its own electorates if it wishes to maintain influence in Europe and the Levant ?
SD says
In the next 100years Europe will learn the hard way that Islam is not peace, the final culmination probably being a civil war szenario in European countries. Their children will see this war with their own eyes. Their cities transformed into shot up and bombed up war zones. Their economic strenght will diminish as the muslims will bleed them dry long before war starts if it hasnt already. Islam is not peace because the false prophet paedophile, rapist, adulterer, murderer, mass murderer and genocidist was no man of peace, muslims unable and unwilling to think critical and ask uncomfortable questions idolize him like some holy person and consider him a supreme example, no peace can come from following such a man.
Muhammad was the 1st islamic terrorist.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Re: he’s “the President and Rector of the Central European University in Budapest”???
Isn’t Hungary one of the few places in Europe managing to keep the muslims out?
At least, for now?!
Hopefully he won’t be tolerated there for much longer!
gravenimage says
Yes–Hungary has been one of the saner places as regards the Muslim invasion, in large part due to the policies of Prime Minister Viktor Orbán.
bouboulina says
I’ve never been scatalogical in my comments but this bird-brain’s verbalizing what can only be categorized as a major brain-fart with catastrophic portents for the civilized world.
gravenimage says
I don’t think we should force Muslim countries to take in these “refugees”–we should just keep them out of our own civilized nations.
Some countries like Australia and Norway are already starting this. May there be many more.
paul says
Grow a pair! Oust Merkel Deport the invading Army!
NOT America’s problem. As Trump said we will stop muslims coming to America. I suggest Europe do the same.
Bring in Turkey to EU. 8 million will come. None will leave.
Bring In Syria to EU. 10 million will come None will leave.
You are NOT sane.
Like the muzzie school girl says. Infidels are dirty and if they all disappeared no one would notice.
This is going to end badly and you have no one to blame but your liberal selves.
paul says
Merkel types are the problem. Suicide is part of liberalism
globaltreeimmigration says
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