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Islamic State: “Only one way for US to gain victory and that is by taking the Quran out of the hearts of Muslims”

May 22, 2016 9:39 am By Robert Spencer

If we didn’t have learned imams such as John Kerry and David Cameron and Pope Francis assuring us otherwise, we might almost get the impression that the Islamic State had something to do with Islam. It’s a good thing we have such erudite leaders who are so helpful in aiding our understanding of the enemy ideology.

Abu Mohamed al-Adnani

“‘There is only one way for the US to gain victory,’ ISIS spokesman warns,” Rudaw, May 21, 2016:

ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – A spokesman of the Islamic State (ISIS) said in a defiant audio message that his group would not be defeated, even if it loses its strongholds in Syria and Iraq or its leader is killed in US air strikes.

“Your threats do not frighten us and you will never win over us,” Abu Mohamed al-Adnani, the official spokesman of the terrorist group, said in an audio message posted online Saturday.

The militant, whose real name is Taha Subhi Falaha, said that even if ISIS loses its Syrian stronghold of Raqqa or Mosul in Iraq, that would not amount to defeat, nor would the death of its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

“The loss of Raqqa, Mosul and the death of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi would not mean that we have lost,” the spokesman said in the 30-minute recording.

He said Western reports about the group growing weaker – as US military officials have recently been saying – are untrue.

“You think defeat is the loss of a city or a land? Were we defeated when several cities of Iraq were taken away from us and we went to the desert? Will we lose if you control Mosul, Raqqa and other cities that were previously controlled by us: Definitely ‘no,’ because defeat is only the loss of the wish and will to fight.”

Naming several top ISIS leaders that have been killed in US airstrikes over the past several months, Adnani said their deaths – or the deaths of other living leaders – would not drive the group to defeat.

“There is only one way for the US to gain victory and that is by taking the Quran out of the hearts of Muslims,” Adnani claimed.

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  1. Peter Buckley says

    May 22, 2016 at 9:58 am

    “There is only one way for the US to gain victory and that is by taking the Quran out of the hearts of Muslims,”

    Which is precisely what is happening:

    http://www.exmna.org/

    Is this “spokesman” aware of the huge numbers leaving Islam? Maybe someone should drop him a line…

    • ECAW says

      May 22, 2016 at 10:59 am

      I see nothing on this website about the number of Muslims leaving Islam. I suspect it is not very many at all. Do you have evidence? I only have some knowledge of its equivalent in Britain, the CEMB, which seems to be a very small number of activists (led by a communist).

      One thing I see in common though, going by the lead article about Maher and Trump, is their strange reluctance to halt the influx of people some of whom would like to kill them. It’s almost as if….

      • Peter Buckley says

        May 22, 2016 at 11:14 am

        From an American Islamic scholar:

        “The extremist group that kills Muslims and non-Muslims alike is also driving countless of the faithful from our religion……by muddying the image of Islam and making the religion appear violent, backward and completely out of touch with the modern world, (extremists) are causing Muslims to leave the religion…….Muslims often think their biggest enemy comes from outside the religion. In fact, the biggest enemy normally comes from inside. Islam’s number-one enemy today is not the US government, nor Israel; it has taken its form in ISIS. The extremist group is the reason why millions of people will have a terrible perception of Islam, why many born into Islam will never accept the faith, and why many Muslims will leave their religion, perhaps even flocking to atheism.”

        http://www.aquila-style.com/focus-points/spirituality/shaking-faith/77587/

        • ECAW says

          May 22, 2016 at 11:51 am

          No numbers or evidence, just an Islamic whitewasher concerned that Muslims might leave because the peaceful religion of Islam has been hijacked:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/georgetown-panel-promotes-one-way-interfaith-dialogue

      • Peter Buckley says

        May 22, 2016 at 11:24 am

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ahmed-eid/young-american-muslims_b_4109256.html

        Both articles I have linked to were written by American muslims………….

        • ECAW says

          May 22, 2016 at 11:56 am

          No evidence again…and he’s only concerned about falling mosque attendance not apostasising.

      • Peter Buckley says

        May 22, 2016 at 11:38 am

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f92Nx4u-SMQ

        Throughout history, in societies with large muslim numbers, apostates have been exiled/silenced/ killed in order to maintain Islamic hegemony. What we are witnessing now, for the first time in history, in WESTERN societies, is apostates being allowed, through FREE SPEECH to explain WHY they left the faith. It’s not so much the act of apostasy that hurts Islamist (i.e. Islam itself), but the explanation of WHY, as the reasons given will chime with other “doubting” muslims.

        Add the Internet to the mix, allowing muslims access to the life of Muhammad, so that they can read for themselves what he did:

        http://www.justislam.co.uk/images/Ibn%20Ishaq%20-%20Sirat%20Rasul%20Allah.pdf

        Islam has only survived so far through violence, threats of violence, myths and half-truths.

        When muslims find out the things they were told by their parents turn out to be false, they will leave the faith. Islam is a house of cards built on shifting sands, ready to collapse………..

        • ECAW says

          May 22, 2016 at 12:04 pm

          “When muslims find out the things they were told by their parents turn out to be false, they will leave the faith. Islam is a house of cards built on shifting sands, ready to collapse………..”

          Well this is an outcome devoutly to be wished but it is only a declaration of faith on your part with no evidence that it is actually happening.

          Thanks for the full Ibn Ishaq though. I only had the link to this abridged version:

          http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sira/index.htm

        • Rufolino says

          May 23, 2016 at 4:37 am

          Recent statistics from Germany indicate that young second-generation immigrant Moslems usually become more devout than their immigrant parents.

      • Peter Buckley says

        May 22, 2016 at 12:19 pm

        Another article by a muslim:

        http://www.theglobalist.com/globalization-and-the-pending-collapse-of-the-islamic-world/

        • ECAW says

          May 22, 2016 at 12:34 pm

          Yes, I’ve heard of this guy. Good luck to him and it sounds very plausible.Muslims have to change or collapse in their own countries with ever increasing populations. My concern is that the inevitable is being avoided by allowing Muslims to parasitise and drag Europe down to the level of where they came from. I do not give a damn about Islamdom, only the West.

          Still no evidence about apostasising I see,

        • Westman says

          May 22, 2016 at 5:07 pm

          Peter Buckley,

          Thanks for the reference. Part two is quite prescient, making the correct prediction in 2010 that Europe would be inundated with migrants.

          http://www.theglobalist.com/the-muslim-world-and-the-titanic/

          “The downfall of the Islamic world would automatically mean that the waves of migration to Europe would increase significantly. For young Muslim immigrants, fleeing poverty and terrorism, Europe does indeed represent a hope for them, as does the United States.”
          …….
          “The spreading violence that came to the fore in the wake of the downfall of their home countries will simply be outsourced, mainly to Europe, because of its non-shielded immigrant situation.”

      • Peter Buckley says

        May 22, 2016 at 12:24 pm

        “Islam in Crisis”

        Another site by muslims:

        http://www.noora1.com/condition_of_the_ummah.htm

        The fact is you’re simply not aware of the numbers just yet. Remember, in the majority of cases, an adult male muslim who apostasizes will take his family with him….

        • ECAW says

          May 22, 2016 at 12:37 pm

          Indeed I am not aware of the numbers yet but neither are you it seems or at least you haven’t given any.

      • Peter Buckley says

        May 22, 2016 at 12:31 pm

        “Less acknowledged, however, are the number of Muslims who have decided to leave Islam. This is partly because it’s difficult to derive data that specific from census reports, but also – as former Muslim Shahid Abbas* tells me over Skype – because “many young people won’t define themselves as agnostic or atheist, usually out of fear they’re doing something morally wrong”. Shahid continued, telling me that – from what he’s gathered in his own experiences – it’s likely that “around 20 to 30 percent” of UK-based Muslims have atheistic or agnostic tendencies.”

        http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/leaving-islam-behind-is-a-scary-prospect-for-britains-ex-muslims

        Do you think this ex-muslim is lying? If so, why?

        The facts are out there. People just aren’t aware of the scale of it yet…………

        • ECAW says

          May 22, 2016 at 12:47 pm

          It’s not up to me to disprove your claims or show why this ex-Muslim is lying, or wrong, or engaging in wishful thinking. It is for you to produce evidence to back up your claims.

          One of the things thst used to bug me about Christians was when they claimed there is a God then thought it was up to me to disprove it. You seem to be doing something similar.

          I note that CEMB say they only have 400 members.

        • Mark Swan says

          May 23, 2016 at 10:09 am

          The expected growth of Islam around the world is perhaps the most striking finding in the recent Pew Research Center report projecting the future of religious groups. Indeed, Muslims will grow more than twice as fast as the overall world population between 2010 and 2050 and, in the second half of this century, will likely surpass Christians as the world’s largest religious group.

      • Peter Buckley says

        May 22, 2016 at 12:55 pm

        “….among the country’s Bangladeshis and Pakistanis, who overwhelmingly describe themselves as Muslims, the numbers are growing, albeit from a tiny base. According to official statistics, between 2001 and 2011 the proportion of Bangladeshis who say they have no faith has more than tripled, from 0.4% to 1.4%. For Pakistanis it has doubled, from 0.5% to 1.1%. Some who explicitly identify as ex-Muslims are becoming more vocal…”

        http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21650604-small-growing-number-muslims-are-abandoning-their-faith-losing-my-religion

        If you want an “exact number”, then you’re looking for the Holy Grail. There’s tons of evidence, from both muslims and ex-muslims, that apostasy from Islam is increasing day on day. It’s a fact. If you can’t be bothered to join the dots, that’s not my problem………

        • ECAW says

          May 22, 2016 at 1:09 pm

          Finally we’ve got some numbers…and they’re miniscule. These are the dots I am expected to join up to find the picture you are painting? I don’t think so.

        • Peter Buckley says

          May 22, 2016 at 2:57 pm

          If you think 30,000 is miniscule, you’re entitled to your opinion.

          I’d say it’s significant.

          As the muslim population number in the US is very similar to the UK, it’s reasonable to assume the apostate number is also similar, and equally significant.

          The more important fact is the numbers are growing, and the children of these people will be raised as non-muslims..

          For whatever reason, you find this clear trend hard to swallow.

          That’s your problem.

        • ECAW says

          May 22, 2016 at 3:31 pm

          You seem to think I am duty bound to be convinced by your anecdotal evidence and miniscule PERCENTAGES which equate to numbers dwarfed by immigrant numbers and get irritated when I am not.

          Let me know when you have evidence to back up your claims.

      • DFD says

        May 22, 2016 at 7:07 pm

        Hi ECAW,

        numbers will be very, very hard to come by. An ex-Muslim carries a death sentence, whoever wants to kill him/her, may do so.

        Would you tell somebody that the Mafia wants you dead?

        I don’t think we will ever know the number of real apostates. For those who turn atheist, impossible from the outset. They will hardly confide in the person at he bar… Those who convert, their respective clergy has to shut up, because the convert puts his/her life into his/her hand.

        I think all we can do as to wish them all the best, and those of us who believe, pray for them. Irrespective if it’s a well wish or prayer, they deserve and need it.

        • ECAW says

          May 23, 2016 at 2:28 am

          Agreed. Perhaps there will come a time when the dam breaks and thousands of ex-Muslims march through the streets with banners saying “Islam – it’s all bloody nonsense”. Until then the “extremists”, aka the most devout, will have the upper hand. As someone here says (Jay Boo?) Islam is all about public show, inner conviction is secondary.

      • gravenimage says

        May 22, 2016 at 7:24 pm

        Yes, ECAW–the biggest threat to us is the great influx of Muslims being allowed to enter the West.

        • Jay Boo says

          May 22, 2016 at 10:11 pm

          One solution would be to elect Fessitude as president.

          Sorry

    • Jerry says

      May 23, 2016 at 6:17 pm

      ““There is only one way for the US to gain victory and that is by taking the Quran out of the hearts of Muslims,” Adnani claimed.”

      Get me Jihadi leaders disarmed and immobilised and provide me with a scalpel and I shall gladly assist.

      • Mark Swan says

        May 24, 2016 at 4:37 am

        Good One

  2. Immadiyah says

    May 22, 2016 at 9:59 am

    So, the loss of a city or a land or the leader is not a defeat? Well then, nobody was ever defeated by isis or any jihadi group I suppose. Come to think of it this is so true for the Christians in Iraq and Syria. They are never being defeated by isis or any jihadi group no matter the circumstances. We have already known the ultimate outcome.

  3. WorkingClassPost says

    May 22, 2016 at 10:01 am

    Sounds like a good plan.

    Let’s get to it.

    • Red bee says

      May 22, 2016 at 2:08 pm

      I am all for it.

    • Red bee says

      May 22, 2016 at 2:09 pm

      ROFL. Yes indeed, Abu, you pig headed baboon. You are correct, but not very smart, by telling the truth. The solution is to break the hold Islam has on his followers.

      But how do we do this? On my new website (click my name): the (* machine, I present a theory of why and how Islam gets hold of enough Muslim hearts (children) to ensure the jihad will go on. How do we stop the machine?

      One of my ideas is to make clear to the “modest Muslims”, which make up the majority according to Pamela Gellar, Brigitte Gabriel, Frank Gafney etc., Islam is ruining their lives and exploiting and abusing their children.

      If you have ideas, please share them on this website &/or on my forum http://redbee.website/f/

      Greetings from the Netherlands,

      Red Bee

      • gravenimage says

        May 22, 2016 at 7:28 pm

        Alas, others have also suggested “deprogramming” Muslims–but this has never worked. Why would Muslims listen to what the “filthy Infidels” have to say, in any case?

        But that does not mean things are hopeless–we *have* beaten Islam back many times before–we can with understanding and will do the same again.

        • dajjal says

          May 22, 2016 at 9:36 pm

          If roaches, bed bugs and mosquitoes are not totally exterminated, they keep coming back.

        • Red bee says

          May 23, 2016 at 1:51 pm

          Indeed “deprogramming” is bound to fail because stage one, the most important, of the conditioning (programming, brainwashing) is done at a very young age.

          Therefore I do not suggest “deprogramming” but not programming in the first place.

  4. JawsV says

    May 22, 2016 at 10:02 am

    Robert – I love your dry wit and sarcasm:

    “If we didn’t have learned imams such as John Kerry and David Cameron and Pope Francis assuring us otherwise, we might almost get the impression that the Islamic State had something to do with Islam. It’s a good thing we have such erudite leaders who are so helpful in aiding our understanding of the enemy ideology.”

    Heh! Perfect!

  5. Angemon says

    May 22, 2016 at 10:17 am

    You think defeat is the loss of a city or a land?

    Well, I certainly don’t remember any army in history claiming they were winning when they were being driven back and losing terrain. It’s even more damaging when your claim of legitimacy lies entirely on your capability to conquer and maintain your grip over terrain – “We’re the righteous caliphate, why else would allah bestow this magnificent victories up on us?”.

    • KnowThyEnemy says

      May 22, 2016 at 2:27 pm

      I actually agree with the IS spokesman. Just because a warrior loses a city or a land, or just because his leader died, does not automatically mean that the warrior is defeated. If his zeal to [ultimately] win is strong, he will stand up and try again, and again and again, and just might win in the subsequent attempts.

      There are only three ways, that I know of, to defeat such an enemy-

      1) Total defeat. This means defeat them so bad that they have nothing left to restart their cause, not even personnel.

      2) Defeat their cause itself. Make the enemy believe that s/he is only wasting time and effort fighting for a worthless cause. In the case of IS it means we will have to “rip the Quran from their hearts”!

      3) My preferred method- 1) and 2) both 🙂

      We need to elect leaders who are willing to do the above.

  6. Phil Horaia says

    May 22, 2016 at 10:19 am

    ISIS is just one of the heads of the Islamic hydra, with, I believe, more heads to sprout following the collapse of ISIS, which I believe will happen too. With the advent of the Internet an ever-increasing number of Muslims are leaving the deen. They are beginning to learn about Islamic beliefs and are becoming disillusioned. We need to educate them through the Internet, through debate.

  7. Ginger says

    May 22, 2016 at 11:05 am

    It’d be quicker to take out the Muslims.

  8. Edgar Allen says

    May 22, 2016 at 11:06 am

    “SO LONG AS THERE IS THIS ACCURSED BOOK (koran) THERE WILL BE NO PEACE IN THE WORLD.”

    William Ewart Gladstone (1809–1898) was Prime Minister of Great Britain four times: 1868–74, 1880–85, 1886 and 1892–94.

    • JawsV says

      May 22, 2016 at 2:48 pm

      Exactly right. You listening, Prince Charles??

    • Carolyne says

      May 23, 2016 at 10:43 am

      Try to read that Gladstone quote publicly in England and you will find yourself at Broadmoor.

  9. Voytek Gagalka says

    May 22, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    “…defeat is only the loss of the wish and will to fight.”

    He, the bastard he is, got it right! Thus, only devastating, overwhelming force (aka. “hyper-overreacting” as it would be called by current western elites) can do that job. Then, and ONLY then, enemy will be so morally devastated that it would essentially give up, at least for a while. Remember Omdurman 1898, what British army did to the hordes of Mahdists in Sudan? Peace occurred and lasted for more than 75 years. It does not last forever, though. Nothing lasts forever.

  10. linnte says

    May 22, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    Exposing the Qur’an for what it really SAYS is critical. If governments would look into this, the Qur’an could be banned. Or, perhaps rewritten to abrogate all the violent, hateful ayat. Someone said it here though….that would make for a very small book!

    • ECAW says

      May 22, 2016 at 12:39 pm

      Just a pamphlet really.

    • gravenimage says

      May 22, 2016 at 7:44 pm

      It would make for a very small book–and one which no Muslim would read.

      • linnte says

        May 22, 2016 at 8:12 pm

        Hi Graven! I just read Fitzgerald’s 2010 article and wow. He is brilliant. And yes, no Muslim would read a shortened version if the Qur’an!

        But a question; you all have been getting posts in this blog for a long time.yes? What keeps you involved? What keeps you slogging away at this seemingly unfixable problem of Islam? I keep finding myself feeling defeated! And I have barely started. Where does one go from here? Have you made a difference in any Muslims life by exposing the Truth? Have any left Islam because if this wonderful blog of Roberts? Once again, I am an inch away from hanging it all up.

        • dajjal says

          May 22, 2016 at 9:08 pm

          Who ever won by surrendering? “He who persevereth to the end, the same shall be saved. ” If we give up, evil triumphs without opposition.

        • Mark Swan says

          May 24, 2016 at 4:42 am

          linnte…what do You mean by “I am an inch away from hanging it all up.”

        • linnte says

          May 24, 2016 at 12:59 pm

          I mean stop discussion on Islam. It gets me very sad. I mean to leave this blog and never read another word about Islam. But, I can’t. Too much at stake! I am just a little old lady in BFegypt Oregon, powerless to DO anything to make changes. Yet, I see, slowly but surely, the friends I have who still listen, on Facebook and in person, are getting what I have been saying. So, as my favorite Native American Actor said on a Clint Eastwood movie, I will Endeavour to Persevere?

      • Carolyne says

        May 23, 2016 at 10:45 am

        I don’t think most Muslims can read, anyway, let alone Arabic.

        • Carolyne says

          May 23, 2016 at 10:46 am

          That, of course, should have been “Can’t read.”

        • dajjal says

          May 24, 2016 at 1:57 am

          If memory serves, their literacy rate is in the 60s and 17% have read the Qur’an in their native tongue.

  11. Guest says

    May 22, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    No the only way for the U.S to receive victory is for Obama to get out of the White House and make way for a real President!

    • Carolyne says

      May 23, 2016 at 10:48 am

      He’s out of the White House most of the time, anyway. During the shooting outside the White House last week, he was at some AFB playing golf. He was in no danger except, perhaps, by an errant golf ball.

      • linnte says

        May 23, 2016 at 12:04 pm

        There was a shooting at the White House? I guess I really need a news program!

        • Carolyne says

          May 23, 2016 at 1:59 pm

          Somebody with a gun on Executive
          Ave. Secret Service shot him. He was in critical condition. Don’t know if he survived. Prez was playing golf.

  12. mortimer says

    May 22, 2016 at 1:32 pm

    Abu Mohamed al-Adnani, an official spokesman of ISIS, said, ““Only one way for US to gain victory and that is by taking the Quran out of the hearts of Muslims”

    Precisely. This is what I call ‘deprogramming Muslims’. All Western intelligence agencies need to IMMEDIATELY develop and run effective protocols for deprogramming jihadists right out of Islam.

    • KnowThyEnemy says

      May 22, 2016 at 2:37 pm

      If the governments “run protocols for deprogramming jihadists right out of Islam,” the so called peaceful Muslims will cry Islamophobia and will accuse the govt of waging a war against Islam and Muslims. And the govts will fall for it.

      Hence, it is better to run these procedures to deprogram ALL Muslims, not just the jihadists. Of course this can be done only by calling Islam what it truly is- an enemy ideology!

    • gravenimage says

      May 22, 2016 at 7:51 pm

      Mortimer wrote:

      Precisely. This is what I call ‘deprogramming Muslims’. All Western intelligence agencies need to IMMEDIATELY develop and run effective protocols for deprogramming jihadists right out of Islam.
      …………………..

      Mortimer, you flog this idea here *all the time*. But you have never once said how this would work, or why pious Muslims would ever listen to the despised Infidels.

      So far, such “deprogramming” schemes have been abject failures:

      “Germany: Muslim teens admit bombing Sikh temple; one was in deradicalization program”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/germany-muslim-teens-admit-bombing-sikh-temple-one-was-in-deradicalization-program

      “Saudi Terror Rehab ‘Poster Boy’ Back with Al Qaeda”

      http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/216927/saudi-terror-rehab-poster-boy-back-al-qaeda-daniel-greenfield

    • Jay Boo says

      May 22, 2016 at 10:23 pm

      Here is a permanent solution Mortimer.Instead of
      ” taking the Quran out of the hearts of Muslims”

      Why not instead take the word ‘Quran’ out of that sentence.
      ” taking the hearts of Muslims”
      I will call this deprogramming surgery.

  13. TheOldOligarch says

    May 22, 2016 at 4:18 pm

    How depressing that we have to be given the correct strategy for defeating our enemies by those enemies themselves because our leaders are too clueless to figure it out themselves.

    Islam is going to be violent as long as it exists, undermining faith in Islam and thereby reducing the number of Muslims is obviously the best way to ensure the long term diminution of this problem.

    • gravenimage says

      May 22, 2016 at 7:55 pm

      How would this work? It never has before.

      • Demsci says

        May 22, 2016 at 10:32 pm

        Gravenimage, it is very proper of you to ask “how would this work?” But if we keep trying only what we have always tried, we keep getting what we always got. And oh, yes, haven’t the big grandiose ideas always failed!!!

        But new ideas at first are always unattractive, precisely because they are new. And also still clumsy, untried.

        There is now “Iterative thinking”; it relies on experimenting and collecting data, analyse them, adapt and improve. It involves no more big unwieldy theoretical plans! Check it out.

        What the vast majority of posters here and everywhere wants is in the AGAINST-business, Freedom FROM, Getting Rid of. Mortimer wants to DE-programme. And what we also see is increasing desperation, total skepticism that Islam is ever being defeated.

        Good, can that be a token to try iterative thinking and trying out formulating what we are FOR, not just AGAINST? For instance; can we emulate the successformula of Islam? (Which is NOT praising Islam, just beating it with it’s own advantages).

        Islam came into the world and REPLACED religions, it did not just fight them off, it offered a comprehensive ideology; where it was FOR, it’s opponents were AGAINST. It’s followers thus had the more ZEAL.

        Now WE tell Muslims that we don’t have a zealous ideal like theirs, just that we hate it, we tell them to ditch their belief (AND their promise of heaven, love of family, pride of community) and offer them nothing concrete in return!

        The Muslims may see the world like this: A. I love my good fellow-Muslims the most, forever. B. Then there are some really nice infidels,
        whom I (should) prefer to those Muslims, whom, frankly, I abhor, group C.
        Finally there is group D, reserved for all those infidels that are assholes.

        But us? Do we have have a group A? A group we are connected with in spiritual democratic lifestyle? Which represents all the people we admire and love most? If we do, we express this only very limited, much much less than the Muslims routinely do.

        Our group B. may, among many good people, only contain good Muslims if we ensure that we do have a group A that we connect with with higher priority than “good Muslims”. Even good Muslims may never be our best best friends.

        And our group C might well contain non-Muslims who we don’t particularly like

        and our group D should be the damned enemies, the Jihadi’s.

        I do know all this sounds far-fetched, and dreaming, but that is because it is NEW, and still unformed, so clumsy.

        But the idea is to finally come up with something those who are AGAINST Islam are FOR. This is at the heart of Positive Psychology; get organised to promote what you are FOR, formulate THAT. Not just what you are AGAINST.

        Which gives us the chance to present to Muslims a BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO ISLAM.

        Which will put them in our position now; that of fear, resistance, despair at times.

        • dajjal says

          May 22, 2016 at 11:46 pm

          You missed the train; it pulled away from the depot while you were at the bar for a beer. That was the last train.

          As far as ‘slimes are concerned, there is and can be nothing better than Islam.
          To them, Allah is the god and there is no other; no alternative. They are either going to Jannah or Jannahm when they croak, and there is no alternative. They want to gain admission to the celestial orgy and avoid being cast into the fire.

          This is not like upselling the Equinox shopper to a Cadillac or Mercedes. Its the supreme success or nothing. You have nothing to sell and can obtain no product to replace a ticket to Jannah.

          To the ‘slime, Christianity is deprecated, superseded by Islam; a relic of pre-Islamic foolishness. To him, Jesus is a slave of Allah and a messenger, inferior to Moe. you can not convince him otherwise.

          To the ‘slime, democracy and representative republicanism are systems of man made law; inferior to Allah’s laws laid down in the Koran. You have no goods to sell him. He wants the houris, gardens and rivers of wine. Nothing less will satisfy him. You can not offer those things, Only Allah can.

          You have two courses of action: destroy his Iman so he no longer believes in Allah, his imperatives threat & promise or send him underground, to fertilize the sterile soil of the desert.

          Which course of action will you pursue?

        • Demsci says

          May 25, 2016 at 2:26 am

          Dajjal, In common with you (all) I am heavily against Islam. And contrary what you might think,

          I have little or no problem with a military solution, provided it was provoked sufficiently; we must be seen to defend, not to attack, and, of course,

          democracies need majorities and that we only get in defense, not in attack.

          But to come from a position of strength, is it not imperative that we have a group A, an A-civilization which we are FOR? What IS it that we cherish and defend?

          Surely more than just some boring status quo? No! Far more; a civilization never seen before, performing like mankind performed never before!

          This position of strength by the way also made so many “slimes” as you put it on a dependence role, did it not? You were talking about desperates or testosterone-filled young men, and young women with ideals-but-delusions of youth.

          But what about: All these Muslims with needy children, or needy ailing parents, or sick and needy themselves,

          unemployed, yet used to luxury, attached to houses, cars, smartphones, all of which cost money, delivered by the infidel?

          What about cheeky Muslima’s, used to get their way with the polite Westerners? In marked contrast to patriarchal Muslim men?!

          And is all this taqqiya not in the end rubbing off on Muslims subconsciousness? I mean in mixed cities, Muslims HAVE to be polite to sell, compete, be promoted at times.

          And this huge dependence, intermixedness, as long as the Muslims are in the minority, and the system, economy, provides, now serves for a tolerable setting.

          In this setting we can define “us”, tell “us” what we are FOR, not just against.

          Even you, Dajjal, seem in awe, not of the faith and behavior of the “slimes”, BUT of their threat through some kind of strength. For that you seem to have a “healthy respect” and so you should,

          But that means that you can despise the religion, but emulate what makes it successful and that means that you should identify what you are FOR, as Muslims do. That you should have a very large group A to identify with, like a big democratic group.

          The point was not that THE MUSLIMS will reject that, the point was that “WE” should embrace that in huge numbers to unite behind it’s flags, symbols.

          And with that spirit: Fight away, but in a democratic way! For THAT is what “WE” in essence are; what inspires and unites us, Democratic!!!

        • dajjal says

          May 26, 2016 at 5:56 am

          Our national treasure consists of two irreplacable documents: the Declaration of Independence & Constitution.

          Our values: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

          You can not sell Muslims an alternate system ‘cuz they believe theirs is perfect and that abandoning it would consign them to Jannahm.

          You do not get to square one kinetically or ideology without getting their attention and impairing their Iman.

          Political will is needed to undertake the battle on either the kinetic or ideological plane. At present, that political will does not exist.

          There are too people who understand the threat posed by Islam; too few who know that it is intrinsically evil and can not be reformed. Too few who know that moderate Muslims who will ride in to stop the zealous believers are a myth.

          If there is a way of overcoming those deficiencies, I am unaware of it.

        • ECAW says

          May 26, 2016 at 12:42 pm

          Only jihadi atrocities I’m sorry to say. Plenty of them and starting to affect the elite instead of grannies, soldiers and holiday makers.

        • ECAW says

          May 26, 2016 at 12:45 pm

          My comment is awaiting moderation?

          When did that start?

        • Angemon says

          May 27, 2016 at 7:08 am

          From my experience, when you try to post more than 2 weblinks.

      • TheOldOligarch says

        May 23, 2016 at 12:20 am

        I disagree, it was working.

        As Raymond Ibrahim has said on a number of occasions (and it’s one of my favourite observations that he makes), in the early 19th century a succession of heavy military defeats were inflicted on the Muslim world by the West. Islam was, as he puts it ”defanged and contained”, and really did seem to do into decline. Islam only seems convincing when it’s conquering infidel lands, and subjugating and enslaving unbelievers. This is also why Muslims become so violent if their religion or prophet is mocked, the legitimacy of Islam is based almost entirely on a kind of forced respect.

        We need a situation, which is entirely doable (though won’t be done), where Islam is openly and unapologetically mocked, and is in a position to do precisely nothing about it. ”Your religion is a joke, and if you have a problem with that, we can take this outside anytime”. Sounds immature, but that is the posture the West should take towards Islam. Islam just isn’t workable when it has to cringe in the shadow of overwhelmingly powerful infidel nations and endure their mockery and contempt.

        Like I said this won’t be done because we’ve allowed so many Muslims into the west and so Islam really can’t be mocked openly without severe reprisals. In terms of dealing with the Islam problem long term though, I do think it’s the best bet. If Islam could be returned to its ”defanged and contained” condition and then kept there for long enough I believe it would shrivel and die.

        • linnte says

          May 23, 2016 at 12:23 am

          The legitimacy of Islam is based almost entirely on a forced respect.

          Excellent statement!

        • KnowThyEnemy says

          May 23, 2016 at 1:01 am

          The solution that you have provided is excellent and WILL work! (Note to Fessitude: This is a long term “solution” and is consistent with the recommendation made by Hugh Fitzgerald in his 2010 article that you linked to above.)

          “Like I said this won’t be done because we’ve allowed so many Muslims into the west and so Islam really can’t be mocked openly without severe reprisals.”

          I am of the belief that if there is even a single country where your solution is put into practice, it will undermine Islam everywhere in today’s highly globalized world. And the nation that is most capable of implementing this solution is USA. Good luck to Muslims trying to carry out reprisal attacks here.

          If the US can get Islam’s neck under its boots, and it can, Islam will begin to collapse. First it will go down in the west and other non-Muslim majority countries, then in the rest of the world!

          Once again, we (Americans) need to elect leaders willing to implement this solution!

        • Mark Swan says

          May 24, 2016 at 4:56 am

          TheOldOligarch…I agree, one thing the strong arm understands is a stronger arm.

    • Jay Boo says

      May 22, 2016 at 10:26 pm

      undermining faith in Islam

      One way is to mock its non-stop evil buffoonery with a blitzkrieg of non-stop mockery.

      • TheOldOligarch says

        May 23, 2016 at 12:21 am

        Yes precisely, but this has to be done from a position of strength, where it is made plain that Muslims are able to do exactly nothing about it. While our societies remain infested with so many of them that isn’t workable.

  14. DP111 says

    May 22, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    “There is only one way for the US to gain victory and that is by taking the Quran out of the hearts of Muslims,” Adnani claimed.

    Islam is religion of war and rests on victory that allah gives. One way to defeat Islam is to inflict heavy defeat on its forces, nations, one after another, and never stopping.

    It then becomes obvious to the Muslim that “allah is not the greater” but actually “the weaker”.

    • gravenimage says

      May 22, 2016 at 7:56 pm

      That’s how we last beat back Islam two hundred years ago. It served us well for a long time.

    • Jay Boo says

      May 22, 2016 at 10:29 pm

      I vote for flattening the Al-Aqsa Mosque and building a Victory Jewish Temple in its rightful place.

    • TheOldOligarch says

      May 23, 2016 at 12:23 am

      Agreed, Islam understands itself to be a state, the ummah, and basically behaves like one. One severe military defeat at the hands of infidels does more to undermine the faith of Muslims than a thousand logically sound arguments.

      • dajjal says

        May 26, 2016 at 6:03 am

        Islam interprets defeat & failure as signs of insufficient piety & zealotry, not weakness or indifference on Allah’s part. Everything good comes from Allah, everything bad from themselves.

        A military defeat would only strengthen the hold of the Wahhabis.

  15. dajjal says

    May 22, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    No victory until every Muslim is EX or Extinct. The ‘slime spokesman has confirmed what we learned from “The Quranic Concept Of War”, pg. 60 : destruction of Islamic Iman is essential to victory.
    1. Debunk the Qur’an: expose its inconsistencies & errors.
    2. Expose Allah: show that it is Satan.
    3. Expose Moe: show that he was a false prophet, pederast, lecher & war criminal.

  16. gravenimage says

    May 22, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    Islamic State: “Only one way for US to gain victory and that is by taking the Quran out of the hearts of Muslims”
    ………………………..

    Or we could just beat them back militarily. We didn’t drive Muslims back at the Gates of Vienna or the Battle of Lepanto or on the shores of Tripoli by bothering with Muslim’s foul beliefs.

  17. Jay Boo says

    May 22, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    True GI
    It was only after the Ottoman Empire got a sound ass whopping that the Ottoman Turks signed up for courses at Mortimer’s school of deprogramming.

    However, the disease often reemerges without the constant follow up treatments of well deserved mockery.

  18. Mubarak says

    May 23, 2016 at 6:03 am

    The Islamic world “Dar al Islam” is a house divided against itself, because that was the way it was intelligently, or rather unintelligently designed. Ultimately this house or kingdom will not stand. But before its total collapse it will drag the world into a Hobbes’s war through its transcendental rage over being exposed in its impotence and sham.
    I hope, I am wrong.

    • ECAW says

      May 23, 2016 at 6:08 am

      I too hope you’re wrong but I fear you are right.

    • linnte says

      May 23, 2016 at 11:59 am

      What ECAW said is how I feel too. It’s gonna be a long hot summer!

  19. Token says

    May 23, 2016 at 1:19 pm

    al-Adnani is perfectly correct. ISIS and Islam won’t be defeated by guns or bombs. What we _must_ do is destroy its religious base. The prophet Mohammed is clearly a mythical character, the Koran is a work of vicious propaganda and the entire body of Hadith is a pack of lies. Islamic society today is desperately sick and Islamic history is a story of cruelty, oppression and parasitism. [Do I get my own fatwa yet?]

    Persistently hammering home these truths and utterly rejecting Islam as anything like a respectable religion will do as much or more than any military action.

  20. Carolyne says

    May 23, 2016 at 2:02 pm

    I would like to know why western leaders are giving us over to Islam. Is it the one-world philosophy? Is it money from oil rich Islamic countries? Is it traitorous? Is it hatred of the US and the West? Exactly why are they doing this? It is a mystery to me. Merkel, Obama, Cameron etc. etc. etc. Why?

    • linnte says

      May 23, 2016 at 6:59 pm

      Thanks for the explanation of the WH shooting.

      My brains get addled when trying to figure out the WHY of all this painful struggle with Islam, and the submission of our leaders too. I spend a ridiculous amount of time wondering why. I only see one answer; NWO.

      To bring in a global Government, all the citizens MUST be under control. Or the rebels eliminated at least. What better way to take over the world? Let a minority do it for you so the Government doesn’t rile up the people before hand and lessen the chance of success. The Islamic invasion is pernicious. And it is clearly working in GB and Europe. Now the USA is the target of the invasion with the EU saying that America hasn’t contributed to the migrant crisis significantly.

      I think once the Islamisation has a good foot in the door, Governments will finally step in and “SAVE” us and be the hero we have been looking for. We will accept gleefully. And Gov will ban Islam with its evil doctrine, except Shari’a will have become an excellent control Ideology.

      That’s my opinion, and I’m sticking to it! ?

      • c matt says

        May 24, 2016 at 9:29 am

        I agree – seems the NWO wants to use Islam as the battering ram. Let enough muzzies wreak enough havoc in enough places, and soon the sheeple will be clamoring for a “savior” to “keep them safe.” Conveniently, in steps the NWO to provide just that. Heck, we already have that in a smaller scale test in the US – the (un)Patriot Act, the TSA, Homeland (in)Security.

        • linnte says

          May 24, 2016 at 1:10 pm

          We do. The Patriot Act was the deal clencher!

  21. Edward says

    May 24, 2016 at 9:02 am

    Islam will collapse when all the LIES are exposed.

    Here’s one of many Muslim’s LIES:

    Abraham of the Holy Bible was a Jew and not a Muslim!

    Abraham was post mortem phased in to the Muslim community when Hedron, Israel was conquered (7th century) and renamed as Ibrahim ibn Azar, while buried in the Cave of the Patriarchs/Cave of Machpelah (Patriarchs-era 2000-1800 BC). A mosque was established above the burial grounds in the 7th century. When Hedron fell. A typical Muslim act to establish their ownership after a conquest, as a symbolic authority gesture to change historical fact when it is NOT!

    More about Abraham’s Burial Site.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs

    http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/13

    • Edward says

      May 24, 2016 at 9:39 am

      ‘Habra (Hebron) is the village of Abraham al-Khalil (the Friend of God)…

    • linnte says

      May 24, 2016 at 1:08 pm

      It just came to me…. Ishmael is the son of a BONDSWOMAN (which of course made him not the legal inheritor of God’s promise) and all Muslimas today are STILL bondswomen. They wear the hijab and Burqua to prove it! Ironic!!! It gives me greater understanding of our Lord’s incredible sense of justice! And humor.

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