Not that this has anything to do with…
“Day 13: Co-Conspirator: Martyrdom was in my Head Before ISIS Showed Up,” by Jennie Lissarrague, KSTP, May 25, 2016:
The prosecution has finished questioning Abdirizak Warsame, and now defense attorneys are getting an opportunity for cross-examination.
Warsame, who has already pleaded guilty in the case, is testifying against 21-year-old Guled Omar, 22-year-old Abdirahman Daud and 22-year-old Mohamed Farah, who are accused of trying to join ISIS.
Farah’s attorney, Murad Mohammad, first questioned Warsame about his uncle, who is the executive director of Ka Joog, a Minneapolis-based organization that works to combat radicalization among Somali young.
Mohammad asked Warsame if Ka Joog works closely with the government and the U.S. Attorney’s Office, to which Warsame said it did. Mohammed asked if his uncle had anything to do with delaying Warsame’s charges, and Warsame said he didn’t know.
The defendants were arrested in April 2015, and Warsame was arrested in December 2015.
Warsame said he took the guilty plea to avoid the charge of conspiracy to murder outside the United States.
“I knew I was guilty, and I was shown all the evidence compiled against me, and I knew I wouldn’t have a chance,” Warsame said.
Mohammad then asked Warsame about his initial interest in the Syrian conflict and questioned if Warsame thought about martyrdom before the Islamic State existed.
“That was, for me, to go and fight jihad and attain martyrdom, was something in my head before ISIS showed up,” Warsame said.
Mohammad argued that joining ISIS was not an essential part of martyrdom.
“Before ISIS came on the scene, you had the intention, desire and a dream of performing jihad and dying as a martyr so you could go to heaven,” Mohammad said. “Was it necessary for you to join ISIS to achieve martyrdom?”
“Well … that’s where I wanted to go, to join ISIS and go fight with them,” Warsame answered.
“Is it possible for you to be a martyr without joining ISIS?” Mohammad asked again.
“Yes,” Warsame answered.
U.S. District Court Judge Michael Davis then asked Warsame where he “learned all this,” and where he was getting his knowledge.
Warsame cited Anwar al-Awlaki, who was a jihad preacher in Yemen.
“He talked about the end of times, some of the events that will happen during the end times,” Warsame said. “One lecture talked about how at the end of times a group would emerge from the land of Sham [Syria] and would be carrying the black flag and would establish a caliphate during a time when Muslims are being oppressed … When I saw all this fighting was happening in Syria, I listened back to that lecture and saw it as a prophecy that was unveiling itself.”
Warsame also talked about the belief that martyrs would one day be able to save their family members from hell.
“In some parts of Islam, we believe the person who dies as a martyr, if he has family members who, eventually, in the afterlife go to hell, that person who died as a martyr can save his family members that went to hell and take them out and bring them to heaven,” Warsame said….

Shmooviyet says
Seems to me Ka-Joog isn’t working quite hard enough to ‘combat radicalization’. Of course, they’re up against the temptations of islamic afterlife…
No doubt there must be a generous amount of leftist (aka tax-payer funded) aid for this ‘organization’.
Shane says
It is hard to compete with 72 virgins that jihadis get when they are killed fighting in a jihad against the infidels and blasphemers. Mo really had a great idea with the 72 virgins scam!
Walter Sieruk says
So this Minnesota Muslim male wants to “obtain martyrdom.” Concerning the subject of Islamic suicide/homicide – bombers /attackers: They are so thoroughly brainwashed and deluded that they actually think of their murderous actions as “martyrdom operations.” This jihad evil and madness is based on the Koranic doctrine, 9:111. , of a far-fetched and nonsensical doctrine of a sex- filled paradise with many virgins, hours, in it for the use only the jihadist/Muslim male who dies as a “martyr” fighting for the cause of Islam. This weird religious/Islamic teaching is found contained the Koran in 44:56. .55:56. 78:31. This bizarre and odd, irrational Koranic doctrine is not open, to the jihadist, to inquiry, questioning. logic or reason. So this blind unreasoning kind of “faith” in the Koran is a reminder that Thomas Jefferson had written. “Man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without a rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes a wreck.” Likewise, Benjamin Franklin had printed in POOR RICHARD’S ALMANACK something which may apply to this topic. For Mr. Franklin had printed “The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.”
Champ says
Great comment, Walter! Thank you! I learn so much from *all* of your excellent offerings!
Lizzy says
This martyrdom and 72 virgins cannot be disproved. The muslim ideology cannot be disproved.
Rational thinking and freedom of thought can cause disbelief in such ideologies but cannot force those who are brainwashed from birth and those who fear the consequences of casting off islam and exercising freedom of rational thought.
We are up against an invisible enemy and robotic adherents of that enemy, that being islam.
Champ says
Martyrdom? Hogwash! More like Murder / Suicide!
abad says
One of the worst things our government ever did was allow all of these Somali Muslims into the United States.
Now they are wondering why so many Somali Muslims want to join ISL?
Let them leave the country already. Just confiscate their passport and forbid them to return.
It’s that simple.
Oliver says
Abad- I agree with one modification.
These Somalians take their (extended-if possible, if not, at least their immediate) families with them.
Cecilia Ellis says
“In some parts of Islam, we believe the person who dies as a martyr, if he has family members who, eventually, in the afterlife go to hell, that person who died as a martyr can save his family members that went to hell and take them out and bring them to heaven . . .”
What both Warsame and his lawyer cleverly failed to mention is this: According to their Islamic sources, when Muslims are released from Hell, they will be replaced by Jews and Christians, most of whom, of course, will be women. Think I am making this up . . . Take a few moments to read this display of Islamic scholarship:
“Christian and the Jews will replace the Muslim in HELL
Abu Musa’ reported that Allah’s essenger (may peace be upon him) said: When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire. (Sahih Muslim: Book 037, Number 6665)
Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: No Muslim would die but Allah would admit in his stead a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire. ‘Umar b. Abd al-‘Aziz took an oath: By One besides Whom there is no god but He, thrice that his father had narrated that to him from Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) (Sahih Muslim: Book 037, Number 6666)
This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of ‘Aun b. Utba
(Sahih Muslim: Book 037, Number 6667)
Abu Burda reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians. (As far as I think), Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to ‘Umar b. ‘Abd al-‘Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him)? I said: Yes.
(Sahih Muslim: Book 037, Number 6668)”
http://www.nairaland.com/283706/why-christian-dwell-hell-forever
gravenimage says
Cecilia Ellis wrote:
What both Warsame and his lawyer cleverly failed to mention is this: According to their Islamic sources, when Muslims are released from Hell, they will be replaced by Jews and Christians, most of whom, of course, will be women. Think I am making this up . . . Take a few moments to read this display of Islamic scholarship:
“Christian and the Jews will replace the Muslim in HELL
Abu Musa’ reported that Allah’s essenger (may peace be upon him) said: When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire. (Sahih Muslim: Book 037, Number 6665)
………………….
I just looked that up, and you are quite right, Cecilia. Thank you.
I thought I was pretty knowledgeable about the Hadith, but I had not run across this before. You think you have discovered all the evil of Islam, and then find that there is still further depths to be plumbed. *Ugh*.
Cecilia Ellis says
Graven, let there be no doubt: you are incredibly knowledgeable of the Hadith! No one can possibly recall the innumerable mutterings contained in volumes of an ideology that has a monopoly on savagery.
Angemon says
Just ask Major Hasan, the Tsaernev brothers or the San Bernardino shooters…
Oliver says
I recently saw-not sure where- that a (I think ) Muslim cleric said that the proper translation si 72 RAISINS BNOT 72 VIRGINS. This week, somewhere on the internet.
gravenimage says
That’s an old one, Oliver. Certainly, Muslims are also promised fruit, wine, and abundant running streams–all things in short supply in dark ages Arabia.
But the problem is that the Houris are also described as “modest” and “dark-eyed”–oh, and “large breasted”–and that is where the ‘this is really a reference to white raisins’ thing falls apart.
Beagle says
At some point after the real-world events which inspired the film Black Hawk Down, American politicians, officials at the State Department, and numerous religious charities decided, mysteriously, that what the US really needed was to import the khat-chewing al Qaeda-linked jihadis who armed children and dragged naked US Rangers through the streets of Mogadishu. That’s a real head-scratcher to me.
dsinc says
Yes Beagle, how crazy must you be, to invite the whole damned country just about to move into your home, and you pay for it, and they still want to kill you, and you still keep inviting them. Why, Why, Why???
TopDrifter says
Martyrdom can be achieved, come “break into my home” you will meet Allah post haste…
Samuel barthis says
How sad for the men\boys Warsame, -year-old Guled Omar, 22-year-old Abdirahman Daud and 22-year-old Mohamed Farah, if they had only immersed themselves into fitting activities or at their ages erudite activities. In and above, if they had only applied historical criticism\ semantic criticism they would have understood as Christophe Luxenberg in his valuable research found out that the Qur’an convoluted the Arabic language with Aramaic. Thus, instead of hur meaning “virgins” it means “white grapes.” in his heaven there will be no virgins but white is appropriate. I can only conclude when he notices this there, he will exclaim “fuck, o fuck what have I done to myself” I think the court should sentence them appropriately to read Luxenberg’s book therein they will find how horrendously the Prophet received his revelations. For the readers they can read this article in the meantime http://www.livius.org/opinion/Luxenberg.htm
gravenimage says
See my post above re “white grapes”.
gravenimage says
“Day 13: Co-Conspirator: Martyrdom was in my Head Before ISIS Showed Up,”
…………………………….
Of course it was. For some reason, so many in the West think Jihad begins and ends with ISIS–which is bizarre, because they thought the same thing about Al Qaida just a few years ago.
If Warsame was not off to join the Islamic State, he would have been off to join Al Shebaab, as so many other Somalians in Minnesota have.
More:
Farah’s attorney, Murad Mohammad, first questioned Warsame about his uncle, who is the executive director of Ka Joog, a Minneapolis-based organization that works to combat radicalization among Somali young.
…………………………….
Is it possible that Warsame’s own uncle was unaware that he himself was “radicalized”? In that case, Ka Joog is inept and useless. If–as was more likely–it was known, then the uncle and organization is corrupt and its “combating radicalization” is a fig leaf for the Muslim community.
In either case, “deradicalization” does not work.
But Ka Joog is still around, flogging its bs to the hopeful Infidels, with their full financial support, of course:
http://www.kajoog.org/
“Ka Joog” means “stay away”–from drugs, violence, and ‘radicalization’.
How’s that workin’ out for you?
common sense says
FBI, CIA, DHS. all have repeatedly said they can’t properly vett those refugees coming from war torn areas and the Jihadist among them will lie anyway.
ISIS even tells us they are implanted in the refugee population and still the dipshot polly’s let them in.
At home and abroad western authorities capture those plotting with ISIS or attempting to join them while our govt hands the enemy in the middle east military grade weapons.
Hussein releases more and more *detainees* (Islamo-aholes) and at the same time lets in more refugees.
Brilliant… a swirling vortex of chaotic hypocrisy on every level.
For the ruthless enemy that IS ISLAM somehow it’s “martyrdom” but murder for anyone else. And we are all Islamophobes thanks to Hussein.
daniel sebold says
I just can’t believe a fellow Minnesotan could act this way. Who would have known? It just makes you wonder. I mean, we are all overall above average in Minnesota. Ouch. This really hurts. Maybe if the lad had taken up ice-skating or skiing this wouldn’t have happened, went out on school ski trips with a nice wholesome Minnesota Christian girl. Maybe if we sent him to Mankato State University, the professors of multiculturalism there could straighten him out, teach some cultural sensitivity classes, give him an A to help him build up a positive self image. I am sure that is the answer.