“Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34
Muhammad “struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?” — Aisha (Sahih Muslim 2127)
“CII proposes husbands be allowed to ‘lightly beat’ defying wives,” by Obaid Abbasi, Express Tribune, May 26, 2016 (thanks to Lookmann):
ISLAMABAD: The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) has proposed its own women protection bill, recommending ‘a light beating’ for the wife if she defies the husband.
The 20-member CII is a constitutional body which gives recommendations to parliament regarding Islamic laws. However, parliament is not bound to consider its recommendations.
The bill was drafted after the CII rejected Punjab’s controversial Protection of Women against Violence Act (PPWA) 2015 terming it un-Islamic. The CII will now forward its proposed bill to the Punjab Assembly.
The council has proposed that a husband should be allowed to ‘lightly’ beat his wife if she defies his commands and refuses to dress up as per his desires; turns down demand of intercourse without any religious excuse or does not take bath after intercourse or menstrual periods.
It has suggested that a beating is also permissible if a woman does not observe Hijab; interacts with strangers; speaks loud enough that she can easily be heard by strangers; and provides monetary support to people without taking consent of her spouse.
Available with The Express Tribune, a copy of the 163-page bill proposes several bans on women.
It says there should be a ban on co-education after primary education, ban on women from taking part in military combat, ban on welcoming foreign delegations, interacting with males and making recreational visits with ‘Na-Mehram’. It says female nurses should not be allowed to take care of male patients and recommends that women should be banned from working in advertisements.
It recommends that an abortion after 120 days of conceiving should be declared ‘murder’. However, it says a woman can join politics and contract a Nikah without permission of parents.
The bill suggests that anyone who tries to force women to marry with the Holy Quran or facilitate this should be awarded 10-year imprisonment. Similarly, the proposed bill says if any non-Muslim woman is forced to convert, then the oppressor will be awarded three-year imprisonment while the woman will not be murdered if she reverts to her previous faith….
How generous!

Angemon says
“You either have sex with me or I’ll bet you (lightly)”. Meanwhile, in the West, “feminist” organizations are too busy making regret rape to take notice.
abad says
The only ones I know who speak out against Islam’s abuse of women are Christians, NOT the Loony Left Feminists(TM)
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
So true!
Will you look at this muslim ‘man’? You can smell him from here!
Can any of the ladies here think of anything more revolting, than having SEX with one of these filth-encrusted stinking savages? Personally, I’d prefer a ‘light beating’ to going anywhere near one, much less having sex with him.
Wait. On second thought, I’d prefer a SERIOUS beating. Oh gross. Yuck. Barf-bag needed…
Cecilia Ellis says
LMAO! ?
gravenimage says
But, of course, it won’t stop at a single beating. If the victim does not comply, it most often escalates to “Honor Killing”.
Carolyne says
Apparently going to a dentist is not a popular activity in Pakistan.
I have always thought it funny that one of the punishments for women is to be banished from the bed of some dirty old man. To me, that should be a reward.
gravenimage says
True, Carolyn–but it never ends there. It escalates into beating and “Honor Killing”. Banishment is just a warning.
Phil Horaia says
And are feminists saying anything? I can’t hear for the deafening silence. Women are the terrestrial Crown of creation and NO ill treatment is acceptable to the decent man, not even a tap. Feminists who don’t speak out bear the guilt of the assaulter.
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
They’re too busy railing against the American ‘rape culture’. You know, that place where rapists get long prison sentences, and upon release have to register as sex offenders forever, thus stigmatising them for life as the pieces of filth they are.
I really do hate feminists. I think they bear a lot of responsibility for the state of western civilization. We’ve been emasculated, and can no longer resist brute force tactics. It’s time for Europe and the rest of the civilized world to grow some cojones!
KrazyKafir says
The very same council who said there should be no age limit for girls to get married:
“ISLAMABAD- The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) ruled today that Pakistani laws prohibiting marriage of underage children are un-Islamic. At the end of its two-day session today, the CII said there is no minimum age of marriage according to Islam.”
http://nation.com.pk/national/11-Mar-2014/laws-prohibiting-underage-marriage-not-islamic-council-of-islamic-ideology
gravenimage says
Yes–thanks for that horrible reminder, KrazyKafir.
KrazyKafir says
Horrible yes, forget, never.
common sense says
All captured Jihadists should be given a sex change and be sent back to their Islamic country of origin.
Muslim women must be seriously Islamophobic.
Supremacists indeed…….
Wellington says
This just in: Council of the Anti-Jihad Movement recommends reciprocity beating of Muslim males who beat any woman.
Westman says
I’ll vote for it, Wellington.
How do Muslims not shrink in embarassment when their “Umma brothers” say and do these things? They can slough it off as “not Islamic” when ISIS gets violent and the world, in general, will buy it.
When it comes to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc, it isn’t possible to declare these regions from which they and their ancestors emmigrated as, “not Islamic”. Do they say among themselves that those are stupid Muslims and we are so glad we left? How does CAIR characterize a riot in Pakistan over some manufactured offense; a riot that kills people? Saying that it is not Islamic simply makes CAIR into obvious liars before the entire non-muslim world.
Is there some East-West split in the minds of Western Muslims that they are afraid to voice?
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
No, there’s no ‘split’. They either agree with their fellow savages; or they’re terrified their fellow-savages will kill them for ‘blasphemy’.
Now there is a guy who’s head of ‘Muslims For Trump’. However, I’ll bet the rent that he won’t keep HIS head for long.
And for all we know, he’s probably lying so he can get close enough to him to kill him.
Westman says
“…Allah has made the one superior to the other, AND because they spend their wealth to maintain them…”
Two reasons! 1. Men are simply superior, 2. Men support them.
I always wondered how European Muslim males, on the dole, could claim superiority when the state was paying the bills. They even have time to make “Sharia for (nation name here)” signs, kids, and money to buy megaphones. Even if the wife works, they are still superior according to Allah.
I tried to tell my wife that I am superior because “I Am A Man!”. By the time she stopped laughing my leftovers were cold. Then I thought, I can banish her to the couch, depriving her of the carnal satisfaction she desperately seeks(uh-huh), according to Allah. And if that doesn’t work I can beat her with an uncooked strand of angel-hair spaghetti. After a little more thought I concluded that Allah was purveying the motherlode of bad ideas.
In the West it is well understood that, “If Momma’s not happy no one’s gonna’ be happy”.
How can one express to a Muslim who has never been loved properly: The joy of being loved without reservation for just who you are; without reference to your appearance or social standing, willing to give all possible to help you, desiring the sound of your voice, the touch of your hand, to look into your eyes and feel the intensity of an equal love. To stand beside each other and face the world as a team, only restricting to loyalty, allowing the other a full blossom. Like a reference in the Bible, it is a love “which passeth all understanding”. This is what equality in marriage can be.
linnte says
So……are you married? Hahahhahahahahahahahahah! Really, that IS what it’s all about Westman. It is very sad never seeing love in the Muslim world.
Westman says
Yes, and she’s a wondeful person, a natural healer. She can’t get through a checkline without someone telling her about their life and problems while she patiently, and lovingly, listens.
linnte says
Good! She sounds like me! I am always on the look out for a wise gentle man hahahahahahaha! She’s lucky to have you. ?
gravenimage says
She sounds like a wonderful person, Westman–and linnte is right that she is lucky to have you, as well.
And you and linnte are right–there is no love in Islam. Along with its hideous violence, this is the most horrifying aspect of that vile creed.
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
Westman, that was the best post I’ve seen on this site in a long time.
LOVE….
gravenimage says
Pakistan: Council of Islamic Ideology recommends “light beating” for disobedient wives
The bill was drafted after the CII rejected Punjab’s controversial Protection of Women against Violence Act (PPWA) 2015 terming it un-Islamic.
…………………………..
Of course protecting women from violence in un-Islamic. Few things are more un-Islamic, in fact.
God, I hate Islam.
Cecilia Ellis says
Joe, at least you have a souvenir. Some years ago, while stationed in a Muslim country, a group of us — males and females — went to a nearby town to shop, dine and tour the ancient ruins. As we departed a restaurant, we noticed an elderly woman attempting to cross the street in the midst of passing vehicles that appeared to honor no driving rules. In fact, there were no traffic lights or stop signs. The lady, besides having difficulty walking, was also carrying bags of food items she had just purchased at an open vegetable market. Perceiving her to be in danger, one of my personnel ran over to her and took her by the arm, to escort her to safety. As soon as he did so, a group of men came out of the chai house and started beating him . . . because he had touched the woman. They left the young man, as we all approached them, but screamed at us that it was inappropriate for any of us to touch the woman. They then returned to the chai hours patio to continue chewing khat, drinking tea and playing backgammon. Meanwhile, the elderly lady continued, without any assistance of her countrymen, to attempt to cross the heavily trafficked road. We watched, amazed that no one would help her or show courtesy by stopping for an elderly woman standing in the middle of the road. We never again tried to assist anyone. The only souvenir we had was a bad taste for the Muslim community.
I applaud your action and am delighted that you took the stick.
linnte says
Wow! That is horrifying! A stranger hitting a pregnant woman. So glad you decked him!
Cecilia Ellis says
Joe, thank you for you most kind reply. I recognized you when I first started seeing your postings. I missed you. Bless you and yours!
FuturePresident says
Women are not objects! They are not dolls or toys to use and then break and then throw away! I will not allow this in our country. And when I give the order for occupation I won’t allow this in the Middle East either.
linnte says
Just the simple fact that we are discussing this screams how horrible Islam is.
Jamie Glazov put out a debate video a while ago, with an older Imam convert to Christianity and a Muslim woman who does something with our Government. She stated a couple times that she gets to keep all of her money from work because her husband supports her. This smirking Muslim woman actually sees this as having “equal rights” and how Islam is good to women. In actuality, she has no clue what equality really means. Also, I perceive (in her arrogance) that she thinks non-Muslim women envy her position. And man is she wrong!
abad says
Oh Muslim women (as well as America’s “feminists”) think Islam grants equal rights because women, in Islam, have the “right” to own property. Not to mention the burka, an item of clothing American feminists seem to love because it discourages men from looking at them.
And we all know how those feminists feel “insulted” whenever men look at them.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
“Those women feel ‘insulted’ whenever men look at them.’ ” May I be permitted a slight digression from all things islamic? I promise to make it worth your while…
The ‘feminists’ you mention Abad, WISH that any man would ‘look at them.’ They are plug-ugly dykes who are so hard on the eyes that no normal man would ever ‘look at them.’; unless it was to remark their remarkable unattractiveness…Here’s how I know:
Years ago in NYC when I was young and liberal, I spent some time with a group of these ‘feminists’. Now it was a good thing that I did; because it awakened me to their utter dysfunctionality.
Without exception, these ‘womyn’ HATED with a passion: Men, [normal] women, themselves, motherhood and wifehood. One of their favorite sayings was ‘Marriage is institutionalized rape.’ And they believed this, OK? I mean it was gospel to them.
But here’s the kicker: Do you know what they REALLY lamented? And oh, this is rich: They complained and whined that there was/is ‘too little sex’ in the lesbian community! I kid you not!
Now of course when I heard this, I knew immediately why that was. And of course we all do: It’s because men are-by nature-sexually initiatory! Put simply: MEN chase US. We don’t have to chase THEM.
So of course when you’ve got two women together, nobody ever…umm….makes the first move! And the corollary is also true, and it’s why you have AIDS coming from the [male] homosexual ‘community’-two men together have tons of sex, “way too many partners, promiscuity gone wild.
But my big mistake was, to SAY this.
When I did: No one contradicted the truth of it. Not one. They did, however, castigate me; call me every name in the book, you know the drill, ‘paternalist’, ‘sexist’, yada yada yada…
So my takeaway was this: By and large these ‘feminists’ are the REAL ‘bitter clingers’. They recite endlessly their tales of horrible ‘abuse’ at male hands; none of which is actual abuse of course, but in their echo chambers of like-minded crybabies, no one ever informs them of this.
So when you see these clipped-haired-bad-mannered-foul-mouthed ‘feminists’ bear in mind: They made themselves that way. And like the muslims-all they care about is that everybody everywhere should be exactly as miserable as they are.
Champ says
Must watch!
https://youtu.be/9yUJZ6fErmw
marble says
Some translations read, “beat with a stick” and “scourge.” Karen Armstrong tells us that it is, “beat with a twig.” Horror to Westerners at the harshness of the punishment of the verse is causing a toning down in English translations.
citycat says
Islam is not outta the dark ages.
England is only a while out of treating women badly-
women were not allowed to vote, learn or drive.
Women were burnt alive as a witch for being more clever than men.
Rule of thumb- it’s ok to beat your wife if the stick is not thicker than the thumb of the misogynistic reincarnation of a dog.
Ducking stools- to dunk women under water to stop them talking. And the rest of the world.
I see no solution to the creeping while the Qur’an is regarded as from God or a God.
Why would God or a God set a part of humanity to war against itself? unless there’s more to the story.
There’s violence in the Bible, and in the Qur’an, and in the Gita. Don’t know about the others.
But the outgrowing of the violence therein the Bible and the Gita, has not been explained, or mentioned.
That could be an argument against Islamic violence, but i don’t think the beast will be stopped with reason.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Actually, islam is ‘outta the Dark Ages’ City.
It was founded in the 600’s. The Dark Ages were roughly between 500-1500 AD. But your equivalence between Islam and any other religion? Completely erroneous.
There is no other ‘religion’ which has, since its inception, unvaryingly preached-and-practiced conversion through conquest. None. Zilch. Nada.
The history of islam is one long slog through an abbatoir of its own creation. Death, death, death. The Koran reads like a manual on slaughter.
Now it’s certainly true that, as you state, ‘There’s violence in the Bible.’ But you are incorrect in saying that ‘the outgrowing [sic] of the violence therein has not been explained or mentioned.’ There is a very clear explanation of that ‘outgrowing’, which is that Judaism and Christianity Jews underwent ‘The Enlightenment’, aka ‘The Age of Reason’. Islam boasts that it bypassed that. Yes City. Boasts.
However I do indeed agree with you when you say, ‘I don’t think the beast will be stopped with reason.’ Nothing can stop those particular beasts, but bullets. Lots and lots of bullets, delivered by ‘rough men with guns’.
linnte says
Well said Kathy!
garegin says
Sad to say but this isn’t a far cry from what the Talmud teaches. I guess all antichrists think alike or rather rip off from each other.
gravenimage says
The idea that Jewish men regularly beat women is mistaken at best.
garegin says
I more had in mind women’s secondclass status in things like testimony, addressing others, prayer, etc. I have no idea about wife beating in the Talmud.
gravenimage says
Jewish women are equals to men, including in Israel.
Would that this were true anywhere in Dar-al-Islam.
linnte says
The HUGE difference being, Jews today have moved past that and have evolved, seeing that beating a wife was not a command from God but written of men. The Qur’an and Hadith however are timeless and it is expressly written as valid today. No spiritual enlightenment happens in Islam. None. Oh, except toilet paper.
Carolyne says
Orthodox Jewish women are required to shave their heads and wear a wig. I don’t know the rationale behind that, but all religions discriminate against women in some way.
garegin says
I was talking about religious law, not civil. Istael is a secular state. Mosaic law is not the law of the land, period.
I saw simply hinting that these mysoginistic statues were taken by the Arabs from the Jews. The fact that most Jews view them as dusty relics is separate question.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Yes, yes: This is what the Talmud ‘teaches’. It’s in the Bible too. But we don’t see Jews and Christians stoning women, raping children, and actively owning sex-slaves.
That activity is confined to muslims. Only to muslims.
citycat says
Kathy Brown
yeah i see what your’re saying.
I consider the dark ages to be times of violence of which there has been plenty since 1500, and world wide, but mainly Islam now,
but thanks for the enlightening info though.
Ok
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
No problem. ‘Dark Ages’ certainly can convey your usage too City.
siesmann says
95% edicts of this moronic CII involve women and/or sex -some other recent ones
1Genetic testing (semen) is not permissible as evidence
2.man doesn’t require permission from his wife/s to contract second,third or fourth marriage(can extend it further as long as doesn’t exceed 4,though Mohammad did not follow his ruling and had eleven(some say more) wives simultaneously,and uncountable concubines)
3. there is no lower age limit for a girl to be married to
4.they are blocking the women protection act ,paased recently by Punjab Assembly
-and many more
duh swami says
To the primitive intellect, the ‘rule of thumb’ and the ‘rule of wrist’ is the same rule…When Allah says ‘lightly he doesn’t mean ‘mercy’…He means beat then until they see the light…’The floggings will continue until moral improves’…That could take weeks in some cases…’
vcragain says
Oh please can I be the one that ‘rewards’ this guy for his wonderful loving thoughts? – just let me get at him – I will tell you he would be screaming for mercy within 5 seconds – I rarely get really angry, but this has certainly done it – what a revolting piece of s**t he is !!!
Carolyne says
Judging by the state of his teeth, I think forcing him to go to a dentist would be a fate worse than death to him.
Carolyne says
It has been my experience that people who act as if they are superior actually know they are inferior and try to cover it up. So it is with Muslims.
Florida Jim says
This joins beheading, cutting off hands and arms, stoning people, cutting out their tongues, burning them alive, putting them in cages and sinking them in water as a slow painful death…This is some wonderful political ideology not a religion at all.You can avoid these foul tactics if you convert, become a slave to them, pay a fee to them but each of these i a temporary reprieve only even thou they say it is a permanent solution it never is.
Babs says
I hope I will live to see the fight back from muslimas whose husbands are violent animals, perhaps along these lines:
Stitch in Time
Oh there was a woman and she lived on her own,
She slaved on her own and she skivvied on her own,
She’d two little girls and two little boys —
And she lived all alone with her husband.
For her husband he was a hunk of a man
A chunk of a man and a drunk of a man,
He was a hunk of a drunk and a skunk of a man
Such a boozing, bruising husband.
For he would come home drunk each night,
He thrashed her black, he thrashed her white;
He thrashed her, too, within an inch of her life,
Then he slept like a log, did her husband.
One night she gathered her tears all round her shame
She thought of the bruising and cried with the pain,
Oh, you’ll not do that ever again,
I won’t live with a drunken husband.
But as he lay and snored in bed,
A strange old thought came into her head,
She went for the needle, went for the thread,
And went straight in to her sleeping husband.
And she started to stitch with a girlish thrill
With a woman’s heart and a seamstress’ skill,
She bibbed and tucked with an iron will,
All around her sleeping husband.
Oh, the top sheet, the bottom sheet, too,
The blanket stitched to the mattress through,
She stitched and stitched for the whole night through
Then she waited for the dawn and her husband.
And when her husband woke with a pain in his head,
He found that he could not move in bed,
Sweet Christ, I’ve lost the use of me legs!
But this wife just smiled at her husband.
For in her hand she held the frying pan
With a flutter in her heart she given him a lam;
He could not move but he cried, “God damn!”
“Don’t you swear,” she cried to her husband.
Then she thrashed him black, she thrashed him blue,
With the frying pan and the colander too,
With the rolling pin just a stroke or two
Such a battered and bleeding husband.
She said, “If you ever come home drunk any more,
I’ll stitch you in, I’ll thrash you more,
Then I’ll pack my bag and I’ll be out the door,
I’ll not live with a drunken husband.”
So isn’t it true what small can do
With a thread and a thought and a stitch or two?
He’s wiped his slate and his boozing’s through
It’s goodbye to a drunken husband.
Words & Music by Mike Waterson
recorded by Mike Waterson, Martin Carthy, Max Hole
gravenimage says
Of course, this would never work with a Muslim husband. He’d just gather his relatives afterwards and “Honor Kill” her.
John Marst says
A light beating? Just use a switch rather than brass knuckles. Well okay then. Such an enlightened buffoon. For the Stone Age anyway.
Guest says
I’ve read something of interest recently. There is an all female soldier unit in Iraq fighting ISIS, and apparently they are driving them out of settlements easily because ISIS is afraid of them (I know what you’re thinking I didn’t believe too). ISIS believes if a woman kills them they won’t get to go to their false heaven. Is this an Islamic thing or something ISIS made up?
If it is an Islamic belief maybe that’s why Muslim oppress their women. They are afraid of them.
linnte says
Whoa! Wow! That makes sense. I wonder how we could find that out? I don’t recall reading it in Qur’an or Hadith.
Cecilia Ellis says
Linnte, perhaps the following verbatim quote will answer your question:
“Answering Islam – Jesus is GOD
October 26, 2014
Reasons why jihadists fear being killed by female fighters
Muslim terrorists are fearful that if killed by a woman, they would go to hell. Although no direct reference within the Quran nor Sahih Hadith, they see this as the same principle as dogs. The hadiths say all dogs owners will loose “one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily” (Sahih Muslim 10:3813, Al-Muwatta 54 5.13, and Al-Muwatta 54 5.12) thus longer time in hell. So, although the hadiths do not specify to not touch dogs, many Muslims would cross the road to avoid the possibility of coming in contact with a dog, (the reason i’ve always owned one (especially black dogs)).
So although no direct quote stating “if killed by a woman, you’ll go to hell” there are many quotations that promote this trail of thought. First we have to distinguish what Islam teaches about women… here are a few:
Women are Weak – (Bukhari 8:73:230)
Women are Stupid – (Bukhari 3:48:826)
Women are Crooked – (Bukhari 7:62:113)
Women Lack Gratitude – (Bukhari 1:2:28)
Women are like Devils – (Sahih Muslim 8:3240)
Woman are an Evil Omen – (Bukhari 4:52:110)
Most Women are Destined for Hell – (Muslim 36:6596)
To sum it up this quote from Bukhari hadith:
“Then Muhammad passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.” (Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301)
To die doing Jihad, fighting for Allah’s cause is a great honor for a Muslim. As Muslim are taught women are worthless it would bring great shame in being killed by one in combat.”
https://www.facebook.com/AnsweringChristHaters/posts/612760562179356
Hope this helps, Linnte. I had the same question.
linnte says
Thank you Cecilia. It does help, and I see the (perverted) logic of it. Btw, I have a black, buff, tank of a dog too, but when I got him at five weeks old, I didn’t know I may need him as a protection against Muslims! Hahaha! He would certainly eat their lunch if needed. Thanks again !
Gaza Strip Joint says
Gotta luv those Stonehenge bottom teeth!