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Petraeus calls for self-censorship to avoid offending Muslims

May 14, 2016 2:19 pm By Robert Spencer

This is essentially an anti-Trump screed, but it has more sweeping and ominous implications. Petraeus has “grown increasingly concerned about inflammatory political discourse that has become far too common both at home and abroad against Muslims and Islam, including proposals from various quarters for blanket discrimination against people on the basis of their religion.” He is clearly referring to Trump’s proposal for a temporary moratorium on Muslim immigration, from which Trump himself is now retreating.

Petraeus doesn’t just oppose this as a policy measure. He is saying that such proposals shouldn’t even be made, for just to state them is damaging: “the ramifications of such rhetoric could be very harmful — and lasting.” They will “compound the already grave terrorist danger to our citizens.”

How will they do that? Well, you see, “those who flirt with hate speech against Muslims should realize they are playing directly into the hands of al-Qaeda and the Islamic State. The terrorists’ explicit hope has been to try to provoke a clash of civilizations — telling Muslims that the United States is at war with them and their religion. When Western politicians propose blanket discrimination against Islam, they bolster the terrorists’ propaganda.”

Petraeus doesn’t offer any alternative suggestion as to how jihad terrorists can be prevented from entering the U.S. He just doesn’t like Trump’s former proposal, and what he terms “hate speech against Muslims” in general, because it will, he says, enrage Muslims and make more of them join the jihad against the U.S. So the upshot of Petraeus’ argument is that we must not say things to which Muslims might object, because this will just make more of them become jihadis. His prescription for minimizing the jihad against the West is for the West to practice self-censorship in order to avoid offending Muslims.

There has been, of course, a comprehensive effort to compel the West into doing just this, and it is going very well. In the wake of the jihad attack on our free speech event in Garland, Texas last year, there were widespread condemnations of our event for daring to “provoke” Muslims. After the Danish Muhammad cartoon riots and the massacre of the Charlie Hebdo Muhammad cartoonists, mainstream media outlets all over the West refused to publish the cartoons in solidarity with the victims and in defense of the freedom of speech, instead opting to publish transparently hypocritical explanations of how they were declining to publish the cartoons out of “respect” for Muslims and Islam.

The lesson of all this is one that no less a figure than General Petraeus has imbibed and is now propagating himself: Muslims don’t like when we say we should stop Muslim immigration for awhile, and they join the jihad. So we must stop saying it, so that they won’t join the jihad. This argument will only encourage them to tell us they’re joining the jihad because of other things we do as well (which they’re already doing), so that we will stop doing those things as well. Petraeus is saying that in the wake of violent intimidation by Muslims, the West’s proper response is to give those violent Muslims what they want, by conforming our speech to suit them. In reality, this will only encourage more violent intimidation.

So if we take Petraeus’ advice, it will not result in less jihad, as he claims, but more: more aggressive Muslim demands on the U.S., more rage, and more “revenge.” Petraeus is giving us a recipe for setting the world on fire even more than it is now.

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“David Petraeus: Anti-Muslim bigotry aids Islamist terrorists,” by David Petraeus, Washington Post, May 13, 2016:

…Moreover, the fact is that free and open societies such as ours depend on a sense of basic security to function. If terrorism succeeds in puncturing that, it can threaten the very fabric of our democracy — which is, indeed, a central element of the terrorist strategy.

For that reason, I have grown increasingly concerned about inflammatory political discourse that has become far too common both at home and abroad against Muslims and Islam, including proposals from various quarters for blanket discrimination against people on the basis of their religion.

Some justify these measures as necessary to keep us safe — dismissing any criticism as “political correctness.” Others play down such divisive rhetoric as the excesses of political campaigns here and in Europe, which will fade away after the elections are over.

I fear that neither is true; in fact, the ramifications of such rhetoric could be very harmful — and lasting.

As policy, these concepts are totally counterproductive: Rather than making our country safer, they will compound the already grave terrorist danger to our citizens. As ideas, they are toxic and, indeed, non-biodegradable — a kind of poison that, once released into our body politic, is not easily expunged.

Setting aside moral considerations, those who flirt with hate speech against Muslims should realize they are playing directly into the hands of al-Qaeda and the Islamic State. The terrorists’ explicit hope has been to try to provoke a clash of civilizations — telling Muslims that the United States is at war with them and their religion. When Western politicians propose blanket discrimination against Islam, they bolster the terrorists’ propaganda.

At the same time, such statements directly undermine our ability to defeat Islamist extremists by alienating and undermining the allies whose help we most need to win this fight: namely, Muslims.

During the surge in Iraq, we were able to roll back the tide of al-Qaeda and associated insurgents because we succeeded in mobilizing Iraqis — especially Sunni Arabs — to join us in fighting against the largely Sunni extremist networks in their midst. Later, we took on the Iranian-backed Shiite militia, with the important support of the Shiite-majority Iraqi security forces.

Likewise, the rapid ouster of the Taliban regime after 9/11 was made possible by our partnership with Muslim fighters of the Afghan Northern Alliance. And in Southeast Asia, it was by working with the government of Indonesia — the most populous Muslim-majority country in the world — that Jemaah Islamiah, once one of al-Qaeda’s most capable affiliates, was routed.

The good news is that today, hundreds of thousands of Muslims are fighting to defeat the terrorists who wish to kill us all. This includes brave Afghan soldiers fighting the Islamic State and the Taliban, as well as Persian Gulf forces in Yemen battling both Iranian-backed Houthis and al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. And it includes Arab and Kurdish forces who are battling the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. In fact, we should do more to support these partners of ours.

Inescapably, clearing territory of entrenched terrorist networks and then holding it takes boots on the ground. The question is — whether in Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria or Mali — do the bulk of those boots need to be our own or those of local Muslim partners?

I fear that those who demonize and denigrate Islam make it more likely that it will be our own men and women who ultimately have to shoulder more of this fight — at greater cost in dollars and lives….

But it is precisely because the danger of Islamist extremism is so great that politicians here and abroad who toy with anti-Muslim bigotry must consider the effects of their rhetoric. Demonizing a religious faith and its adherents not only runs contrary to our most cherished and fundamental values as a country; it is also corrosive to our vital national security interests and, ultimately, to the United States’ success in this war.

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  1. Christianblood says

    May 14, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    I hear you!

    • Polk1970 says

      May 14, 2016 at 6:33 pm

      My God,they were portraying this man as the second coming of McArthur,Eisenhower,and Patton all in one
      This man headed the CIA while having pillow talk with Paula Broadwell,betraying State Secrets

      • Pere LaChaise says

        May 15, 2016 at 3:20 am

        General Betray-us is a craven coward.

        • ainu888 says

          May 15, 2016 at 2:28 pm

          The general is a knowledgeable man with lots of practical experience and theoretical credentials, so a criticism of him should not be casual.

          While the general seems to make a coherent point, it is flawed — our experience in India is an easy counter-example. We created a constitution and a political system in India that prefers the muslims over the majority hindus in practice, even though everyone is equal on paper. Did that ensure a minority muslim population that is grateful ? As an example, we subsidize the Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca at the taxpayer’s expense.

          The problem of extremism can only be solved by education and enlightened principles that originated in the renaissance, after one cannot force modernity upon anyone and violence if out of the question. But toward that goal, everyone needs to be willing to live in the modern era and not in the seventh century. A reply to an insult should be another insult, and not a chopped off neck.

          This is not a level playing field.

        • hmmm says

          May 15, 2016 at 5:28 pm

          agreed, Petraeus is certainly actin/speaking like a pet. Anything to stop Trump, but Trump continues to warn:
          http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-refugees-will-launch-911-style-attacks/article/2591402

        • Debi Brand says

          May 16, 2016 at 3:25 am

          “General Betray-us is a craven coward.”

          Indeed.

          The proof ‘ in the pudding.

      • David says

        May 15, 2016 at 6:05 am

        Ah, the logic of the Left:
        “Islam is a religion of peace, its adherents are just like any other religion; it should be forbidden to speak of murderous jihad, else there could be murderous jihad”.

        • Polk1970 says

          May 15, 2016 at 9:07 am

          yep,heads they win,tails we lose

      • Polk1970 says

        May 15, 2016 at 10:00 am

        and come to think of it,
        Let’s hope he never is asked to speak at West Point to scramble Cadet’s thoughts.

      • Dave says

        May 15, 2016 at 9:35 pm

        General David Petraeus was at one point giving up all “military intelligence” he had to satisfy his sexual desires. Now he wants to educate the American People on how we should react to the actions of Islam, Muslim and isis or any terrorist organization already in this country and to those that obviously will soon be here.

        My father was in the Pacific Isle during WWII. I and my son were in the US Army as enlisted men and dedicated 3 and 4 years respectively. None of us revealed any “secrets” for any reason. And for your information, sir, I was in ASA and proud of it!

        You, sir, need to keep your mouth shut and enjoy what our treasonous POTUS has “forgiven” you for. You, sir, are not an example of patriotism in the USA. You are a brother to the POTUS.

        • Debi Brand says

          May 16, 2016 at 2:31 pm

          Amen.

          Well said, Dave.

      • paul says

        May 17, 2016 at 12:34 am

        General Betrayus is a muslim

    • Westman says

      May 15, 2016 at 2:27 am

      From my perspective, Gen Petraeus has the needed action completely backwards. Right now there is only one Islam in core ideology. There is no “moderate” Islam.

      It took the Protestant Reformation to defang the middle-age abuses of the Catholic Church and demote it from inquisitions and the control of national and private armies. This is exactly what is needed in Islam.

      Islam needs continual pressure on both its dogma and behavior until Muslim leaders are forced to draw a line and declare openly, in Mosques, without reservation, that militant Islam is both wrong and refuse to support it; effectively declaring a reformation.

      The stigma of militant Islam needs to be so embarassing and divisive that a split within both Sunni and Shia’a Islam is the only road to economic survival for Muslims. That means not buying oil from Saudi Arabia or Iran. That also means when Iran plays games with our sailors, they lose their oil loading platforms and if they continue they lose their oil fields.

      Islam, as now constituted, deserves no respect until it declaratively reforms itself into education and equality for women, stops demanding Sharia, and participates civily in the democracies in which it resides.

      It is time for free societies, as when Moses came down from the mountain, to declare that there is no mealy-character middle ground as Petraeus claims or wants, and demand that Islam either abides by the civil law or is given non-religious tax status and no special treatment under civil law. That means no polygamy(civil prosecution), no foreign-sponsored-paid Imams, no praying to hold up traffic(fines, jail), no seditious illegal demonstrations(fines, deportation), immediate “hate crime” prosecution/deportation for sexual or violent crimes in which Allahu Ackbar is uttered. If a particular Mosque is found to be a source of violent jihadists it should be closed, permanently. Even Muslim countries shutter troublesome Mosques. Losing a Mosque should be adequate incentive for members and Imams to report militancy.

      Frankly, we should be pointing out the unjust practices, and the polarizing Muslim/Infidel aspects of Islam until Muslims are so annoyed that the dogma is officially changed to fit the apologetic taqiyya that is, so prevalent in the media.

      • Lord Wrath says

        May 15, 2016 at 2:45 am

        “Islam, as now constituted, deserves no respect until it declaratively reforms itself into education and equality for women, stops demanding Sharia, and participates civily in the democracies in which it resides”

        I have spoken to the muslims that I work with and they have assured me that an “Islamic Reformation” is in progress… Islam is trying to purge itself of all modernism and moderation and trying to get back to fundamental Koranic doctrine… When Islam returns to its root teachings and Sharia law has been imposed in all corners of the world the “Reformation” will be complete…

        • nic says

          May 15, 2016 at 3:34 am

          ROFL.
          Such cynicism in one so young.. 😛

          Good post, Lord Wrath.

      • Dean says

        May 15, 2016 at 1:46 pm

        He is simply a reminder of the American wisdom why military men are told who to kill and what to blow up to achieve politically approved objectives, despite the failure of democracy to determine rational objectives. Petraeus did an excellent job as tactical leader and architect in Iraq and Afghanistan but his grasp of the bigger picture is naïve and clueless at best. He commanded operatives to develop and manage tactical alliances with one group of savages against another and when American criticism of Islam is felt to threaten those temporary alliances and personnel in the field, he can’t see any farther.

        I believed that he was elevated to CIA because Obama was using his popularity and already had something on him to control him. When he was silent during the aftermath of Benghazi I was telling friends that I wished I was on social media just to raise that question about what Obama was holding over him. Immediately after the election we got the answer. He is not only short-sighted regarding the larger Islam issue, no one like him would ever be allowed near a position of power in this administration if he couldn’t be controlled. Conservatives tend to credit military leaders with unearned political and political respect because of their special competence destroying the assigned enemies of America.

    • brenrod says

      May 15, 2016 at 10:22 am

      so who paid petraeus to write this…. ?

    • V says

      May 17, 2016 at 6:13 am

      It’s called freedom of speach….they need to get over it.

    • V says

      May 17, 2016 at 6:20 am

      Wow…this guy has LOST it!

  2. Reuben Scratton says

    May 14, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    Small wonder the Iraq war went as it did, with brains like his in charge.

    • Graham McGBH says

      May 14, 2016 at 3:19 pm

      Iraq was/is a failure so there’s your answer

      • Polk1970 says

        May 14, 2016 at 6:34 pm

        Now it is thanks to Obama

        • KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM says

          May 14, 2016 at 10:24 pm

          I believe Barry deserves a severe bottom spanking. You agree Morti?

    • Custos Custodum says

      May 14, 2016 at 4:13 pm

      What ELSE do they have on Petraeus?

      Petraeus was never as much of a genius as is generally thought, although he had definite strengths in executing well-defined strategies.

      On the other hand, remember that when he was head of the CIA, Petraeus thought that saving “draft” messages to be viewed by his mistress on a joint Gmail account (rather than actually sending the messages) would actually protect them from NSA snooping.

      Barry’s team would not have been appointed Petraeus to head the CIA in 2011 had they not had several reliable “hooks” into Petraeus life to ensure his complete loyalty to their cause (Islamization, “Fundamental Transformation,” destruction of traditional American values).

      Waiting for the other shoe to drop.

      • Polk1970 says

        May 14, 2016 at 6:37 pm

        249 days and a wake-up

        • Polk1970 says

          May 15, 2016 at 9:33 am

          UPDATE
          248 days and a wake-up
          IOt is crawling,but it’s moving.
          At least there’s no “time-outs” stopping the clock.

      • Polk1970 says

        May 15, 2016 at 10:06 am

        He was deliberatlly using “trade-craft” to avoid internet transmission
        That IS a crime ,in the ACT of BETRAYING State Secrets
        It also shows INTENT to CONCEAL the ILLEGAL ACT.

        • Custos Custodum says

          May 15, 2016 at 12:48 pm

          The sad thing is, this is the “trade-craft” of a two-year-old who covers his eyes to make himself “invisible.”

          Petraeus is clearly not a man who is interested in learning about reality beyond comforting conventional assumptions.

  3. Jay Boo says

    May 14, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    How can we trust anything David Petraeus says?
    Obama has gotten to him.

    http://reason.com/archives/2012/11/15/silencing-general-petraeus

    • Christianblood says

      May 14, 2016 at 2:35 pm

      His name should be David-Betray-Us!

      • Michael Nollet says

        May 14, 2016 at 6:23 pm

        Quite right. And it’s ironic that that moniker was bestowed upon him by the Left, when he was heading up the Surge Strategy that won the war for us in Iraq. Or would have if it hadn’t been thrown away by O’Bambi and Hillary Clinton. None of which prevents him now from saying that she would make a “tremendous President.” Is there ANY humiliation that this bootlicking toady WON’T subject himself to?

        • Polk1970 says

          May 14, 2016 at 6:42 pm

          WHERE the the Great American Generals in these times?
          They were THROWN OUT by Obama,leaving the Petraeus’; of the world.
          Petraeus can’t hold Gen McCrystal’s boots

        • Jay Boo says

          May 14, 2016 at 8:06 pm

          bigger picture

          Petraeus silenced about Hillary / Obama
          (it is the film) terrorism cover up in Libya

    • Polk1970 says

      May 15, 2016 at 9:27 am

      Considering his life,like Hillary’s is in their hands,he’ll jump in the air,and then ask them how high to go in the air.

  4. JawsV says

    May 14, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    Stop calling Islam a religion! Who knew a four-star general could be such a coward? Go ahead and submit to Islam you moron! P.S. Islam SUCKS!

    • Polk1970 says

      May 14, 2016 at 6:45 pm

      A guy with his “misdeeds” being held over his head.
      For him to endorse Clinton after having a front row seat to her CRIMES ,well draw your own conclusions.

      • quotha raven says

        May 15, 2016 at 6:02 am

        Stick a fork in it. We;re done.

        • Polk1970 says

          May 15, 2016 at 10:11 am

          NOT YET!
          Quote:
          America’s first Naval Hero,John Paul Jones”-Revolutionary War
          We have NOT BEGUN to fight”
          VOTE TRUMP!!!!

  5. Michael Nollet says

    May 14, 2016 at 2:34 pm

    Actually, Petraeus was the architect of the “surge strategy” that saved the situation from collapsing when G.W. Bush was President. It isn’t Petraeus’ fault that O’Bambi and Hillary Clinton threw Petraeus’ victory away.

    Nevertheless, Petraeus is the supreme careerist hack and bootlicker. He s unfit for high office and must be kept firmly away from it. He’s on the Retired List now. Good. That’s where he needs to stay.

    • mortimer says

      May 14, 2016 at 2:45 pm

      Fair enough. Petraeus called for throwing freedom under the bus. If we are not fighting for freedom, what are we fighting for.

      If Muslims hate freedom, why would they want to come to free countries? They should not come.

      • Salome says

        May 14, 2016 at 6:17 pm

        Because free countries have more cool stuff than sharia hellholes. They just haven’t worked out the connection. And, of course, the freeish countries of Europe have more free stuff–and that’s a definite attraction.

      • gravenimage says

        May 14, 2016 at 10:19 pm

        Mortimer wrote:

        If Muslims hate freedom, why would they want to come to free countries? They should not come.
        ……………………..

        They don’t come here for freedom, Mortimer. They come here to take over and turn our free nations into Shari’ah hellholes, all while living on the dole and exploiting our wealthy and productive societies.

    • Mr. Lucky says

      May 14, 2016 at 6:29 pm

      The surge strategy was not a success. What worked was bribing the warlords with millions of dollars to stand down. That is when the violence abated.

    • Polk1970 says

      May 14, 2016 at 6:47 pm

      Now ,he won’t be able to get anywhere near Trump
      GOOD!

  6. Cecilia Ellis says

    May 14, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    Petraeus: “But it is precisely because the danger of Islamist extremism is so great that politicians here and abroad who toy with anti-Muslim bigotry must consider the effects of their rhetoric. Demonizing a religious faith and its adherents not only runs contrary to our most cherished and fundamental values as a country; it is also corrosive to our vital national security interests and, ultimately, to the United States’ success in this war.”

    Mohamed Atta: “Just stay quiet and you’ll be okay. … Everything will be okay.”

    • Rev g says

      May 14, 2016 at 4:55 pm

      When he says “demonizing” he really means “telling the truth”.

    • billybob says

      May 14, 2016 at 7:56 pm

      How can you demonize a religious faith that is already demonic?

    • gravenimage says

      May 14, 2016 at 10:23 pm

      Mohamed Atta: “Just stay quiet and you’ll be okay. … Everything will be okay.”
      ………………….

      Grimly apt.

  7. Thyme says

    May 14, 2016 at 2:40 pm

    It’s a political ideology hiding behind the guise of a religion. Read the Quran and become Islamawise.

  8. mortimer says

    May 14, 2016 at 2:42 pm

    Stop denigrating the Nazis or more Germans will want to follow Hitler.

    • gravenimage says

      May 14, 2016 at 10:25 pm

      Mortimer wrote:

      Stop denigrating the Nazis or more Germans will want to follow Hitler.
      ………………..

      Spot on, Mortimer.

  9. Peter Charles says

    May 14, 2016 at 2:44 pm

    Funny, nothing about muslims stopping inflammatory speech or actions, like , say, screaming allahu akbar as they kill Christians , Jews and other “apostates”. Or how about an apology and restitution for the 28,000 plus FATAL terrorists attacks since 9-11-2001 . Or for that matter, how about an apology for 9-11 and before. . General P., let’s hear your answer.

    • mortimer says

      May 14, 2016 at 2:48 pm

      Petaeus wants us not to mention the jihad doctrine.

      • Polk1970 says

        May 14, 2016 at 7:02 pm

        MacArthur is rolling in his grave
        And you can be sure he NEVER betrayed military secrets.

        It would have been better if Patraeus had hired a hooker .
        re: Broadweell,
        Petraeus the “genius” traded his country for sex

        • mortimer says

          May 14, 2016 at 8:22 pm

          Petraeus is wrong to think censorship, rather than debate is the answer.

          I cannot understand a general who does not realize that FREEDOM is what we are willing to die for, not for enduring under censorship!

          We fought for Europe’s liberation two times in the 20th century. We will not surrender to his CENSORSHIP when we refused Hitler’s, Mussolini’s and Tojo’s CENSORSHIP.

          We don’t want cultural Marxist censorship or any Marxist or other CENSORSHIP.

    • Shmooviyet says

      May 14, 2016 at 3:57 pm

      Yes, amusing how these fellows always see islam as the victimized ‘religion’… or as a religion at all.

      Betraytor, “a sense of basic security” WILL be punctured if sane people continue frowning on bloodshed and terror? Thought that had already been done. I would ask him to NAME the *numerous* Western pols who are proposing “blanket discrimination”. If only he could!

      We are offending ‘them’ by merely existing– how would islam fix that? Another bends over and bites the dust…

      • Polk1970 says

        May 14, 2016 at 7:08 pm

        By the way,
        This is a guy that MISTREATED his wife by CHEATING on her.
        Broadwell’s sexual prowess must have driven him wild ,,to BETRAY country and wife

  10. Bill says

    May 14, 2016 at 2:50 pm

    “Inescapably, clearing territory of entrenched terrorist networks and then holding it takes boots on the ground. The question is — whether in Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria or Mali — do the bulk of those boots need to be our own or those of local Muslim partners?”

    We are fighting the damn fight right here in this country with civilian boots on the ground and targets on our backs! Where has he been hiding? NYC, Washington DC, Chattanooga, Little Rock, San Bernadino and other cities. Meanwhile Obama and the Democrats are ushering in Jihad soldiers as we speak, while seeking to disarm us and strip away our Second Amendment rights at the same time. This “perfumed prince” (credit Col. Hackworth for that apt description) urges more appeasement and elimination of the First Amendment rights he was sworn to protect. Of course to Petraeus, any truth written or spoken about Islam, or criticism of Islam is “hate speech”. What a loser. Then, now and forever.

  11. Jaladhi says

    May 14, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    The world is full of gutless idiots!! Such a call from Gen. Petraeous doesn’t make sense. He should be the one taking this fight to Muslims, instead he caves in!! Doesn’t he know the self censorship doesn’t work with them. Even then our mere presence offends Muslims – so what does he suggest we should kill ourselves? Totally moronic call!1 If we take the fight to Muslims they will run – they are cowards. They only show their bravery to weak, women and children.

    • b.a. freeman says

      May 14, 2016 at 6:51 pm

      yup. that’s how they started out, too – killing, robbing, raping, and looting unarmed civilians. most of the highly-touted “battles” from the beginning of islam were really pirate raids by cowardly killers of innocents. the tradition continues after 1400+ years….

    • Polk1970 says

      May 14, 2016 at 7:34 pm

      He KNOWS
      He has an pendulam over his head re:Probation

    • Polk1970 says

      May 15, 2016 at 10:36 am

      Six-Day War–1967
      The road to the Suez Canal thru Sinia littered with Arab/Egyptian military wapons,equiptment,uniforms,boots,including Soviet tanks,abandoned by the FLEEING Egyptians.
      There was a joke that the Soviet leader phoned Israeli PM Eshkol prior to the start of the war asking him what types of weapons Israel would like,and then he provided them to Egyptknowing they would fall,intact and ,in many cases,unused into Israeli hands.
      Iraq War —–2003
      REPLAY,only this time it was Saddam Husseins Iraqi Army and Republican Guards and it was the US Army and USMC on their tails

  12. Champ says

    May 14, 2016 at 2:59 pm

    I see Betrayus not Petraeus!

  13. mortimer says

    May 14, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    Petraeus’s thinking is typical of many military, police or other elitists. The common people don’t need to be informed because they get in the way. He wants the voters to get out of his way.

    However, those ‘common people’ are being asked to pay his SALARY! Who does he think is the boss, him? or the voters?

    How arrogant that he thinks we the voters should be lied to while we pay for programs we hate and don’t understand because the elitists are keeping us in the dark! He is actually describing a form of fascist government which the US government appears to be practicing at the top.

    The big lie they kept repeating is that Islam is ‘the-religion-of-peace’ and that there is a benign, non-jihadist Islam. All Islam is jihadist! Jihad is the core of Islam, but we must not describe jihad or tell anyone jihad’s ominous, totalitarian implications…which all Muslims understand already. Will Muslims be surprised to learn that Islam is totalitarian? Hardly. The only victims are Western people who are being lied to and told to pay for endless wars against ‘terror’, when the source of the terror is ISLAM. (K.8.60 – turhibunna…terrorized them). We need a discussion about the deep hatred of Islam for the part of the human race that isn’t Muslim. Trump is asking for that open and free discussion. Islam is evil, and I believe most Muslims know it already.

    If we are not fighting to defend the freedom of speech, the freedom of information and the freedom of assembly, what the heck are we fighting for?

    Anyone agree?

    • b.a. freeman says

      May 14, 2016 at 6:53 pm

      yes, i agree, but trump is backing off now. i see a deal in the future…

      • mortimer says

        May 14, 2016 at 8:27 pm

        Disagree with b.a.f. – Trump is a NEGOTIATOR. He thinks on his feet. He doesn’t start knowing where he’s going. He’s tentative. He’s fishing for a deal.

        If anyone can get deals for America and the West, it’s Trump. My only concern is Trump’s philosophical shallowness. He has no idea that freedom of expression is the corner stone of the American republic.

        That’s not acceptable in a presidential wannabe.

      • Polk1970 says

        May 15, 2016 at 9:54 am

        Don’t worry
        It’s election time
        His GUT is in the right place and unless he beats Hillary or any other Democrat,he can’t do anything.
        The problem is today’s technology,because the cameras and bright lights are never turned off,and like any reasonable normal human being Trump is capable of altering his views based on new facts,evidence,and changing circumstances
        Strict ,unwavering ideologs,whether Left or Righ ,t,cannot suceed at governing,because they’re always trying to squeeze round pegs(current realities) into square pegs(unwavering “principled” ideology pegs.
        .

    • Mark Swan says

      May 15, 2016 at 6:06 am

      Agree Absolutely

      Is this all He has to say, that, we face a real threat from Islam, but can not say so—because, the powers-to-be, refuse to come to terms with Islam.

      Maybe letting Islam come-to-a-head is the best way to get it aired-out and move-on.

      What He seems to say, here, is that those people, who already know they don’t want
      any more Islam, in their midst, are correct, but they should not say so, because of what
      we have been doing, and it is in so many ways, obviously the opposite of what we should have been doing, we have already destroyed thousands of American lives, bankrupted our economy, stirred up people in so many other lands to hate us, forever, and we just can not admit Islam is still truly the ongoing problem, and His only urging is, stay the course.

    • quotha raven says

      May 15, 2016 at 6:18 am

      Morti – I agree with you. What you say is what’s behind my often saying “Welcome to Post-Constitutional USA.

      IMHO we are undeniably in the early stages of WWIII. Anyone agree?

      Cheers!

      quotha raven

      • Mark Swan says

        May 15, 2016 at 5:55 pm

        Yes

  14. Papa Whiskey says

    May 14, 2016 at 3:09 pm

    To truly follow Petraeus’s logic, one should also forbear from criticism of right-wing extremists for fear that they’ll get angry and commit violence. So liberals should all shut up about that. Think they’ll do it?

    OK, you can stop laughing now.

    • mortimer says

      May 14, 2016 at 8:35 pm

      Exactly. If we tell Muslims their religion teaches violence against the disbelievers, they’ll kill us.

      • Jay Boo says

        May 14, 2016 at 8:47 pm

        Not if we kill them first.
        Am I allowed to say that.

        Are you saying that Muslims are genocidal?

        • mortimer says

          May 14, 2016 at 9:06 pm

          Your program is called genocidal supremacism. You are advocating crimes against humanity. You are morally at the same level as Islam.

        • Jay Boo says

          May 14, 2016 at 9:49 pm

          Relax kafir snorty morty, I am just messing with your knee jerk fascination and begrudging admiration of Muslims who you claim are not responsible for their actions.

          But if they wish to kill us we must read their ‘holy’ book and learn to show them that we are their friends. Right!

          Muslims are genocidal

        • Mirren10 says

          May 15, 2016 at 5:36 am

          ”Muslims are genocidal.”

          No, they’re not. Genocide of all non-mohammedans would mean no jizya, no slaves, no dhimmis. mohammedans would actually have to work productively.

          islam teaches that islam must prevail, but they’ll wait until the end times, when ‘isa’ comes to break all the crosses, and kill all the pigs. (us).

          I thought you knew all this.

        • Champ says

          May 16, 2016 at 2:27 am

          mortimer wrote:

          Your program is called genocidal supremacism. You are advocating crimes against humanity. You are morally at the same level as Islam.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

          Mortimer is lying. This isn’t what Jay Boo is advocating, and Mortimer should be ashamed of himself! There you go AGAIN Mortimer, claiming things against Jay Boo that aren’t even remotely true. Good giref.

          Hey if think that Jay Boo made a “genocidal” remark then report it to Robert Spencer, because he will remove it lickety-split! But you won’t report it because it ISN’T a “genocidal” comment as you allege. LIAR!

      • Jay Boo says

        May 14, 2016 at 9:01 pm

        Ooooooh …………….”they’ll kill us”

        News Flash
        Muslims also have no respect for infidels who always take that (defensive) posture.

        Mort 101
        1 Muslims have no choice but to want to kill us blah .. blah it is not their fault, the Koran tells them so blah .. blah … It is our responsibility to “Deprogram” them.

        • mortimer says

          May 14, 2016 at 9:11 pm

          You should be deprogrammed, but have the basis in philosophy to follow it.

        • Jay Boo says

          May 14, 2016 at 10:08 pm

          mortimer
          Killing indiscriminately is genocide.
          Self-Defense is not.
          Learn the difference.

          Mortimer is offended by the thought of killing Muslims who wish to kill us.

        • gravenimage says

          May 14, 2016 at 10:53 pm

          Mortimer wrote, replying to Jay Boo:

          You should be deprogrammed, but have the basis in philosophy to follow it.
          ……………………

          Self defense is *not* genocide, Mortimer–nor is it morally equivalent.

          Why should anyone be “deprogrammed” from thinking we have the right to fight back against Jihad?

          And Jay Boo, I do *not* believe that Mortimer actually admires Muslims–but he *is* quick to condemn Anti-Jihadists as (supposedly) advocating the genocide of Muslims, usually based in next to nothing.

          I think he is terrified that we will sink to the level of Jihadists–although we never do.

          By the way, Papa Whiskey, good to see you posting again. Spot on comment.

  15. CogitoErgoSum says

    May 14, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    Petraeus offers further proof that Islam is not a religion of peace. He is arguing that to offend Muslims is to run the risk that they will turn violent and attack us. So don’t do anything that might offend them …. which, I might add, is just the sort of attitude one should look for in a choosing a general (if you don’t mind losing all of your battles, that is).

    • Polk1970 says

      May 14, 2016 at 7:38 pm

      Battles?
      What Battles?
      Immediatlly ask for “Terms of Surrender”

  16. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    May 14, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    Petraeus rates respect on things Islam because of the putative success of his surge. The surge, you’ll remember, was where the General showered tribal leaders with truckloads of dollars to tamp down the killing. When the flow of U.S. taxpayer money stopped, the violence started anew.

    He’s more of a military academician that a fighting general, and that shows in the naive Hearts and Minds strategy he pursued in Dar al Islam. It’s one thing to take this dope’s advice on buying peace with cash, it’s another to self-censor to stop Moslems from being themselves, being what they’re going to be anyway. But on TV and in the newspapers, where it counts, Petraeus is given high regard by news entertainers and politicians alike. This is disastrous in and of itself, but moves beyond that when he interjects his delusions into a presidential campaign to stop the first ever candidate to approach speaking of Moslems and Islam for what they really are.

    • Polk1970 says

      May 14, 2016 at 7:41 pm

      Where was he when they were taught Vietnam”?
      “Hearts and Minds” did NOT work in Vietnam and NEVER will work with Muslims.
      NEVER.
      EVER

      • mortimer says

        May 14, 2016 at 9:13 pm

        It’s the ideology, stupid.

        • Jay Boo says

          May 14, 2016 at 9:56 pm

          No Mortimer it is not the ideology to blame.
          Wake up!
          It is the filthy dirty Muslims

          Their hearts and minds only use the ideology to excuse their filthy dirty Muslim depravity.

    • gravenimage says

      May 14, 2016 at 11:00 pm

      Alarmed Pig Farmer wrote:

      Petraeus rates respect on things Islam because of the putative success of his surge. The surge, you’ll remember, was where the General showered tribal leaders with truckloads of dollars to tamp down the killing. When the flow of U.S. taxpayer money stopped, the violence started anew.
      …………………….

      And APF, often the violence did not really stop at all–it just moved to another spot where we weren’t currently “surging”.

      It was like a giant game of Whack-a-Mole, where we were paying the moles to back off for a while…

      • Mark Swan says

        May 15, 2016 at 6:27 am

        Exactly

  17. Jack Holan says

    May 14, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    General Petraeus first you remove classified documents from a secure Government Site and give it to someone without clearance in an unsecured environment. Now you are suggesting that the most treasured basic American Freedom, Freedom of Speech/Expression should be muted to accommodate people whom we are opening the door to out American generosity. No sir, in life usually voluntary becomes involuntary. As Hillary said everyone will need to shun those that break the rule. Of we know if that doesn’t work then illegal laws will be enacted, Americans lose their G-d Given Rights for one religion most of us don’t believe in. It’s almost traitorous to suggest that we adhere to blasphemy laws of Sharia. If this is how the Newbies want to live that’s fine they should remain in aMuslim Country ruled by Sharia it is not my job to conform to the religion they bring with them.
    They have murdered and destroyed my people all over the Mid East and plan to destroy and murder every Jew in Israel and you think I’m going to respect them? Today they are murdering Christians in the Muslim World burning downChurches and clear about. Petraeus you betray us!

    • Polk1970 says

      May 14, 2016 at 7:43 pm

      Yea,but he great sex with Broadwell.

      • Lord Wrath says

        May 15, 2016 at 1:38 am

        Don’t be so sure about the great sex… I’d venture to say that he probably had trouble rising to the occasion… It seems more likely to me that he was the recipient of her strap on!!!

  18. pennant8 says

    May 14, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    On the upside, since all jihadists attacks have as their goal the imposition of sharia with its laws against blasphemy and slander, if we just go ahead and adopt those laws on our own then the jihadists won’t have to attack us anymore.

  19. marblew says

    May 14, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    General, very well said as one would expect from a member in good standing with the Rockefeller CFR
    and a Bilderberg attendee. Don’t forget to send us a post card from Dresden, Germany, next month, and say “hi” to Teufele Merkel for us. That policy of silence as civilised countries are having their populations raped (whether male or female) and murdered is consistent with your policy of having our troops walk about in Afghanistan and be willing to please the enemy by openly receiving fire.
    The motives of those leading us should be obvious to all. They are opposed to Judeo-Christian values and patriotic national sovereignty. They are Globalists looking for complete control of humanity in a world population that will not meet their goal until at least six billion people are killed. In my opinion, they are Luciferians trying to fulfill Satan’s plan. Clergy, wake up!

  20. Jack Diamond says

    May 14, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    The best and brightest at work here. Former Commander of Central Command, former director of the CIA. Rarefied air. But no match for Paula Broadwell (or Jill Kelley). And no match for the Jihad either.

    The waste of life and treasure in Iraq and Afghanistan, having everything to do with the failure to understand what victory should look like, and everything to do with not understanding the enemy and his motivation and aims; having everything everything to do with false and dangerous (and often fatal) assumptions about the Muslim world and our infidel place in it…forget all that. We still need those Muslim allies to fight those extremists and by-golly it’s gonna happen someday, then our problems are over. Just like in Iraq when we paid off all the tribesmen, I mean, won their “hearts and minds”, during the surge. And just like Iraq, in America, we really need to be nicer to Muslims and not antagonize them, and force them to have to kill us. The poison is not in Islam and its teachings, it is us.

    Patraeus could have done his duty and learn the subject at hand, Islam, but he never did. That was the real dereliction of duty. Instead of recommending his officers read and study Jihad doctrine he was apparently recommending T.E. Lawrence, the notorious charlatan with his myth-making about “winning the Arab tribes” as a model for Iraq (see Hugh Fitzgerald’s series at JW on “Arabia Petraea”). His memoir needs to be called “The March of Folly”; or maybe he’ll call it “Turn of the Screw.”

    • Polk1970 says

      May 14, 2016 at 7:47 pm

      Think about this:
      While he was screwing Paula B,he was screwing America at the same time.
      Imagine that pillow talk,with her using sex as a “tool”

      • dsinc says

        May 15, 2016 at 12:52 am

        He was so busy emailing and messaging he didn’t have time to be a general.

    • gravenimage says

      May 14, 2016 at 11:08 pm

      Jack Diamond wrote:

      (see Hugh Fitzgerald’s series at JW on “Arabia Petraea”).
      ………………………

      Yes–excellent stuff, Jack:

      “Fitzgerald: Arabia Petraea, Or General Petraeus’ Middle East (Part I)”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/fitzgerald-arabia-petraea-or-general-petraeus-middle-east-part-i

      “Fitzgerald: Arabia Petraea, Or General Petraeus’ Middle East (Part 2)”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/fitzgerald-arabia-petraea-or-general-petraeus-middle-east-part-2

  21. Bill says

    May 14, 2016 at 3:56 pm

    I detest the politics of David Petraeus. He is an enemy of the Constitution. He assumes that the only threat to the West is from violent Islamicists. In other words, if we succumb to the demands of violent Muslim jihadis, they will leave us alone. He fails to perceive the greatest threat: the immigration, demographics and politics of “moderate” Muslims.

  22. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    May 14, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    Clown admonishments like this one from the failed General are the reason why the public knows so little about Islam. They sense Moslems are rotten murderous troublemakers, and they are that, but there is no education about them because public discussion of the scriptures, the doctrines and the history is regarded as verboten, a sure recipe for career suicide, or even a knife in the chest in the parking lot going home from work. Silent night, dark night, benighted.

  23. somehistory says

    May 14, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    Until someone opens their mouth and speaks, they may convince others of their wisdom. This from the adulterer:
    “…Moreover, the fact is that free and open societies such as ours depend on a sense of basic security to function. If terrorism succeeds in puncturing that, it can threaten the very fabric of our democracy — which is, indeed, a central element of the terrorist strategy.”
    ***********************************************************************************************
    “free and open” means being “free* to speak and think as a citizen chooses.
    “open” means not being afraid to say and do what the government doesn’t necessarily like. The *basic security* comes from being able to freely say we don’t like the policies…or even the person…of a politician. If a citizen is not allowed to say what they think unless what they think agrees with the one deciding who gets to speak and about what to speak, that citizen is not *free* and the society is not *open.*

    If a citizen must censor their speaking in order to be *free*…that citizen is not *free.*
    If a citizen must censor their speaking in order to live *openly*…that citizen is not living *openly.*

    If this guy wishes to keep quiet about what islam is…an evil unlawful way of behaving and treating others according to the speaking of satan the demon, then that is his choice. But that makes him a slave to islam and the moslim adherents. It makes him a slave to satan and the wild beast of islam.

    Being against islam and its evil is not *bigotry.* It is self-preservation.
    Being against islam in recognition of its true nature is to be informed. And to speak about the evils of islam is as necessary as breathing…if one wishes to keep living free.

    How can society stay *free and open* if people are afraid to speak as they think?

    He began this nonsense back when he went after the man in Florida who was planning to burn the unholy book of islam. He called for this man to be stopped by the government in order to *keep safe* from terrorism.
    That didn’t work out so well as the general said, as there are no *mass burnings* of the unholy book…but terrorism in the name of the book and its author and its unlawful evil has not stopped.
    There has been much appeasement of moslims since then…women given the *freedom* to wear the scarf in all kinds of jobs and situations that others are not allowed to wear their choice of apparel…moslims paid to not do their job, such as hauling beer for their employer…moslims given high government jobs…security jobs as airports…little terrorists given tours of the white house and the u.n….
    Government training manuals being re-written to suit moslims who advocate for terrorists….

    This is just as ignorant as the woman who said fat people should not be told by their doctors to lose weight even if it would benefit their health because it is *fat shaming* and might hurt their feelings.

    moslims…if the don’t already know…need to be told their belief is evil and against the Creator of heaven and earth. And if they do know that, they can’t be allowed, in any case, to force that evil onto others.

    • gravenimage says

      May 14, 2016 at 11:43 pm

      somehistory wrote:

      He began this nonsense back when he went after the man in Florida who was planning to burn the unholy book of islam. He called for this man to be stopped by the government in order to *keep safe* from terrorism.
      ………………….

      You aren’t wrong, somehistory:

      “Petraeus Says Quran Burning Endangers War Effort”

      http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703806304576240643831942006

      “Every security force leader’s worst nightmare is being confronted by essentially a mob, if you will, especially one that can be influenced by individuals that want to incite violence, who want to try to hijack passions, in this case, perhaps understandable passions,” Gen. Petraeus said in the Sunday interview…

      “This was a surprise,” Gen. Petraeus said. The Quran burning in Florida, he added, was “hateful, extremely disrespectful and enormously intolerant.”

      So–slaughtering innocent people because someone half-way around the world bbq’d a Qur’an is an “understandable passion”, but critiquing the contents of the violent Qur’an is “hateful”.

      And this guy was supposed to be defending American values…

      • Jack Diamond says

        May 15, 2016 at 12:20 am

        Which also brings to mind this:
        KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The U.S. apologized Tuesday for the burning of Muslim holy books that had been pulled from the shelves of a detention center library adjoining a major base in eastern Afghanistan because they contained extremist messages or inscriptions.

        The White House echoed military officials in saying that the burning of Qurans and other Islamic reading material that had been tossed in a pile of garbage was an accident.

        Demonstrators who gathered outside Bagram Air Field, one of the largest U.S. bases in Afghanistan, shouted, “Die, die, foreigners!”

        A Western military official with knowledge of the incident said it appeared that the Qurans and other Islamic readings in the library were being used to fuel extremism, and that detainees at Parwan Detention Facility, which adjoins Bagram, were writing on the documents to exchange extremist messages. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

        In April 2011, Afghans protesting the burning of a Quran by a Florida pastor turned deadly when gunmen in the crowd stormed a U.N. compound in the northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif and killed three staffers and four Nepalese guards.

        Gen. John Allen (apologized) to the president of Afghanistan, the government of Afghanistan and “most importantly … to the noble people of Afghanistan.”
        https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-apologizes-quran-burnings-afghanistan-195626659.html
        —————-
        Allen, to complete the circle, was investigated for trading sexually explicit emails with the third person in the Petraeus-Broadwell triangle, Jill Kelley.

        The joke here, of course, is that the Qur’an itself contained the “extremist messages” they were only finding scribbled in the margins. I suppose the other joke (on the infidels) is that
        Muslims traditionally disposed of old, faded, or broken-down Qur’ans by means of burial, placing it in flowing water, or BURNING them.

        No such apologies were made when the U.S. military confiscated and burned Bibles that had been translated into Afghan languages, because they would be used to “try to convert Afghans” according to the Defense Department.

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          May 16, 2016 at 12:53 am

          Jack, a U. S. military person, who was stationed at the site at which Qur’ans were burned, revealed to me the following:

          1. The Qur’ans were being checked out from the detention center library by the prisoners.
          2. The prisoners were exchanging site intelligence information, riot strategies, escape plans, and kill lists, all of which were being written on the pages of those checked-out Qur’ans.
          3. The American military discovered the Qur’anic pipeline.
          4. American military personnel were ordered to remove and to destroy all copies containing handwritten messages.
          5. American military personnel were ordered to burn those copies, as they burned all other trash.

          While I can not verify that the above information is correct, I have no reason to doubt this individual. There should have been no American apology . . . from anyone.

        • Jack Diamond says

          May 16, 2016 at 2:14 am

          No there should have been no apologies. Quite the contrary. But apologizing to Muslims so they won’t scream “die, die die!” or shoot up a UN compound, seems to be the default position. And so what happened after they were burned? Was the library closed to prisoners? Were Qur’ans, their manuals of war, no longer made available? Or were just pencils no longer available?

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          May 16, 2016 at 5:25 am

          Jack, I asked the very questions that you asked. Again, according to the individual with whom I spoke, the Qur’ans were replaced with new copies. Because the individual was not assigned to the detention center, further information was unknown. The number of replacement copies was unknown. For that reason, I suspect that library privileges remained, though perhaps modified.

  24. DJ says

    May 14, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    You ain’t no Charles Martel bruv.

  25. KB says

    May 14, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    I respect Muslims who only practice the peaceful and more human portions of the Koran. Same thing with the Christians and the Jews who do not do live sacrifices anymore. The Islamic/ Muslim Mohammad worshipping folks who want to live a thousand years ago, beheading need to modernize or die.

  26. ponchard colin says

    May 14, 2016 at 4:21 pm

    “…Demonizing a religious faith…” – it is not a religious faith – it is a totalitarian political, militarist, psychological brain washing noetic and physiological dynamic disguised as a religion for the raison d’etre of the universal global submission to this mono culture to the in toto exclusion of other social systems. Go read some books and travel to these totalitarian mono cultures [ eg.:- Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, etc., ].

  27. Angemon says

    May 14, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    Some justify these measures as necessary to keep us safe — dismissing any criticism as “political correctness.”

    “Political correctness” is a term hailing from Soviet Russia, where it meant that Soviets had to have the “correct” positions on “political” matters – meaning that they had to toe the party line or else there was a vacancy in the Gulag Archipelago with your name on it

    Toe the party line or else bad things will happen to you. Sounds familiar?

  28. Wellington says

    May 14, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    Just substitute Nazism for Islam, General. Would you still state what you did? And if you don’t know, General, that Islam is spiritual fascism, then shame on you for not knowing this because the evidence is voluminous that it is. Please consult both Bertrand Russell and Winston Churchill to learn what Islam is really all about, General.

    Right now I’d have to put you in the pathetic category. Easily so. With people in the military like you, I fear for the future of freedom. Wake up, damn it.

  29. Rob says

    May 14, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    Petreaeus – the Christian Noam Chomsky.

    • Wellington says

      May 14, 2016 at 6:00 pm

      With respect, Rob, Chomsky is a complete loon who sees the US as the Darth Vader of nation states. Comparing Petraeus to Chomsky is off the mark and actually diminishes criticism of Petraeus, which must be accurate in order to be effective. Frankly, Petraeus is far more troublesome than Chomsky PRECISELY because he is not a loon and comes across as mainstream in sundry ways.

      • mortimer says

        May 14, 2016 at 9:19 pm

        Petraeus is asking for censorship for the duration of the war against Islamic terrorist groups, but that could take many years. In the meantime, we are not to criticize the atrocities committed by our erstwhile Islamic allies…even crimes against humanity. We are not to discuss the ideology that allows the genocide of kafirs, the suppression of women’s rights, theocratic dictatorship, press freedom, freedom of assembly, etc.

        We must not talk about all the things we love that Muslims hate.

        His making the mission more important than our core philosophy is what is at fault.

  30. rubiconcrest says

    May 14, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    Let me see if I understand David. We cannot tell the truth about Islam because Muslims will fee demonized and denigrated and this will result in us losing our two-faced allies in the ME. When we put boots on the ground again more Americans will die. We also have to be careful not to be too honest at home because we run the danger of losing the wonderful cooperation between the Muslim community and the police in the USA. Let’s continue to do what we have been doing but ‘do it smarter’….

    • Mark Swan says

      May 16, 2016 at 4:45 am

      That’s pretty much it rubiconcrest

  31. mgoldberg says

    May 14, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    So to petraeus, if you call out ‘Islam’ for what it teaches and is canonical and the historical actions indicate as it’s history, those muslims will become violent and kill even more.

    So… let’s reason this out. If we were to to that to Jews, to Christians, to Buddhists, to Hindus, to zoroastrians, to Bahai, would any of those groups then pose any kind of danger of killing others….
    No, they would not.
    So, the answer is, it is no muslims we call out, but Islam, and the tyrannical governments that impose their Sharia upon all others as well as muslims.
    And if the reality is that ‘muslims’ will then be so malleable as to hate others enough to kill them even more than now…. what have we learned.

    That we should have called out Islam as well as all our appeasers all the sooner, and have merely entered the reality that is going on but without blinders.

    All homicidists of the muslim variety should be buried in dead pig carcasses.

  32. Edward says

    May 14, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    Here we go again…..the aged old question…..”What came first the chicken or the egg”

    Petraeus cited:

    “For that reason, I have grown increasingly concerned about inflammatory political discourse that has become far too common both at home and abroad against Muslims and Islam, including proposals from various quarters for blanket discrimination against people on the basis of their religion”

    Appeasement, the Liberal style. A liberal mindset; side with the enemy and thought hoping (w/crossed fingers) they will reason with us.

    Knowingly, It’s only prudent that we will not pat a cobra in it head for we are cognizant that a cobra cannot be domesticated or a Muslim will not assimilate with other social cultures for that matter.

    Back to the question; was it the egg or the chicken……saying whom antagonized the early Muslims to begin with?

    The reference found on this noted website affirms that the innate attributes of the early Muslims terrorist acts were the very beginning of what we now see as our cross to bear.

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/antagonizing.htm

    Here’s are two excerpts from that treatise:

    “It is our intention to show in this paper that the claim that the pagans were the ones who first persecuted Muhammad is not supported by the Islamic data. We will see that the Islamic evidence actually shows that it was Muhammad who first attacked and antagonized the pagan Meccans by assaulting their religion and family values, thereby igniting the anger of the Meccans and instigating their subsequent retaliation against Muhammad and his followers.”

    “Another point worth emphasizing is that it is the Islamic sources themselves that do not support the common Muslim theory that the pagans were the ones who antagonized Muhammad. For nearly every conflict in this world, whether wars between nations or arguments between individuals, if one were to ask one of the parties involved, one will almost always get the answer that the other side started it. The others are guilty that this confrontation ever went so far. It is common sense that in order to determine the truth, one needs to look at the arguments from both sides. History is usually written by those who were victorious. That does not necessarily mean that their view of things is objectively true.”

    From there on Muhammad and his followers have continued with their complaint to this day! We have to expose the Muslim warring mindset to prove that they have been on an unjustifiable campaign to preserve their honor of which they don’t deserve!

    The Muslims started their own inflicted dilemma at the price of thousand innocents for +1400 years!

    “And because of this fact, Muhammad was wrong for insulting and antagonizing the Meccans, wrong for mustering up an army to conquer Mecca, wrong for creating a religion that has ensnared billions of lives throughout the centuries, and which has caused countless deaths and sufferings till this very day.”
    – http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/antagonizing.htm

    Islam is certainly not their answer to their REDEMPTION!

  33. shoehorn of africa says

    May 14, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    ‘blanket discrimination against people on the basis of their religion.’
    Some might call it ‘discernment’.

  34. More Ham Ed says

    May 14, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    Time for another cartoon contest.
    With a ham themed buffet.

    • David says

      May 14, 2016 at 7:26 pm

      Yes! With some plump little piglets in the petting zoo!
      Where can I buy my advanced tickets?

  35. R Cole says

    May 14, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    Because freedom of speech is enshrined in the Constitution in the US – they have to beg you to give it up willingly!!

  36. David says

    May 14, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    He is “concerned about blanket discrimination “????
    He must be in a very small bubble of warped space-time!
    The rest of us, who must live in this reality, are very concerned with Islam’s Blanket discrimination against: ALL THE REST OF HUMANITY! !!
    It has got to be the drinking water in and around Washington, D.C.

  37. Steve Klein says

    May 14, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    Hard to believe this man was (possibly still is) such a hero among conservatives.

    • Stephen says

      May 15, 2016 at 9:58 am

      Not really.

  38. Polk1970 says

    May 14, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    That was before Broadwell got hold of his “head”

  39. Hope says

    May 14, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    “those who flirt with hate speech against Muslims should realize they are playing directly into the hands of al-Qaeda and the Islamic State. The terrorists’ explicit hope has been to try to provoke a clash of civilizations — telling Muslims that the United States is at war with them and their religion. When Western politicians propose blanket discrimination against Islam, they bolster the terrorists’ propaganda.”

    For many people with whom I have debated islam, this one is their favorite line from the liberal playbook. They’ve heard it from Barack Obama and they’ve heard it on CNN and they parrot it dutifully. They believe it with all their hearts because it serves several needs for them.

    1.It gives them someone to blame other than muslims, who must remain the blameless victims (it’s YOU people who are provoking them).
    2. It gives them a “logical” explanation of why islamic terrorism continues to accelerate (if only we would stop offending them, muslims would stop killing us).
    3.It provides them with a false sense of security and control over the situation, as though our behavior is the deciding factor in muslims choosing to wage jihad (Gosh, I know Allah commands me to kill these people, but I won’t because well, they’ve just been so darned nice to me…)
    4. Since it explains so neatly and completely the origins of jihad and how to stop it, it absolves them of any need to actually pick up a koran and read it. It absolves them of any need to investigate further and find out some really inconvenient truths they do not want to know.

  40. vlparker says

    May 14, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    Yes, we must protect freedom of ‘religion’ at all costs even if the ‘religion’ has a mass murderer for a prophet and a doctrine of world conquest. Libtard idiot.

    • mortimer says

      May 14, 2016 at 9:23 pm

      Supremacist theocratic fascism will never be compatible with pluralistic, liberal democracy.

      • vlparker says

        May 15, 2016 at 6:13 am

        That’s pretty obvious to anyone with a brain. Unfortunately, our leaders seem to be brainless.

  41. Steve Klein says

    May 14, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    I’m going to say, because Donald Trump retreated, saying his proposed ban on Muslim immigration was only a suggestion, not a policy proposal, men like David Petraeus sensed a weakening, a softening. Patraeus ‘smelled blood in the water’ so to speak.

  42. Anke L. says

    May 14, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    It is my opinion, that belief systems (religion) do not deserve respect. Only the truth of proven facts deserve that.
    Also people with good social and moral behavior deserve respect, regardless of their belief. Clearly not
    all Moslems are bad people, but Islam is a bad Religion. Actually it is a political system with overtones
    of Religion,which contents is largely stolen material from the prlor existing wisdome and teaching of Judaism and Christianity…Most Moslems do not know their own “religion” and they definitely have no
    respect for the religion of others. It is truely worthwhile studying this….it is eyeopening, and you
    will understand that we cannot give any allowance of power to this evil ideology.

  43. reyol says

    May 14, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    Sucking up to Islam was the keystone to his Counterinsurgency Strategy. Anyone who stands up to Islam is losing according to his playbook.

  44. lminterests says

    May 14, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    I am willing to take on risk if that is necessary for truth. The government, military, Christians both individually and corporately seem to have become cowards. To many in out culture seem to have developed a self loathing with an unwillingness to stand up for our principles.

  45. gravenimage says

    May 14, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    So the upshot of Petraeus’ argument is that we must not say things to which Muslims might object, because this will just make more of them become jihadis.
    ………………………

    How many times have we heard *this* before, from (ostensibly) lesser men than General Petraeus?

    Especially in the context of Trump’s call for a temporary halt to Muslim immigration while we determine a practical way of vetting terrorists (whether such a method is possible is another issue), this means that Petraeus would have us continue to let in hordes of Muslims which he openly admits here are apt to become violent Jihadists should they become offended over anything at all.

    Remember that this man had command in Iraq at one point. Chances are that that venture never had any chance of success, given that it is a Muslim hell hole–but with men of this appalling caliber in charge failure there was a virtual certainty.

  46. Nabi says

    May 14, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    Like so many of his irresolute ilk it never seems to have entered his empty head to consider Islamists as the bigots although with his own integrated, tolerant society he uses the word fast and loose. Disgusting creature!

  47. pdxnag says

    May 14, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    Can I say that someone yelling the Islamic war cry of Allahu Akbar! (my god is greater than your god, prepare to die for Allah) is “inflammatory political discourse”? (Terrorism: violence to achieve political goal.)

    Can we ask a Muslim to become an apostate from Islam, precisely because of the inherent commands within Islam to wage violent and non-violent sedition, and to commit evil generally against non-Muslims?

  48. No Fear says

    May 14, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    “demonising a religious faith” is fine if the religious faith is supremacist, racist and dangerous.

  49. Jeff says

    May 14, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    Since when is speaking or acting upon the truth considered hate?
    Only in a godless society does this mindset have room to grow.
    This man is a coward and has no credibility. islam is an offense to God and to all of humanity, it is a culture of death, it always has been and always will be. If muslims are offended by hearing the truth, so be it, no one should ever use self censorship or be censored by others when confronting this satanic cult or any other group of people or individuals who adhere to a doctrine or lifestyle that imposes its will upon others while demanding tolerance, acceptance of or outright submission to it/them. islamic doctrine speaks for itself and anyone who blames non muslims for the behavior of muslims ought to look into the 1400 years that this cult has existed and study these past 1400 years of murder, rape, slavery, supremecist ideology and every other vile belief and action that comes from those who belong to it, as those very things are rooted in the foundations of this abomination called islam. It is indeed sad to see how liberalism has turned our once great nation into a delusional wasteland of people who cannot come to terms with reality, much like the muslims who make excuses for all that is unrighteous.

  50. citycat says

    May 15, 2016 at 12:11 am

    Who is it that one must not offend?
    That is usually someone like God, or the boss man, or a violent psychopath, or someone to be feared for various reasons.
    Being careful not to offend Muslims is giving Muslims an artificial status to be feared of, and thus more confidence on top of the already present underlingering confidence from the belief that Muslims are superior to infidels who are to be conquered, infidels are inferior and therefore deserve to be downgraded, which the infidels are doing to themselves, by self downgrading through treachery, cowardice, lying, fear, or else a total warped perception of the ongoing creeping breeding Vampiric Entity called Islam/Muslims.
    “against people on the basis of their religion”
    is not the same as
    ‘against Muslims on the basis of their war machine manual called the Qur’an.’
    Petraeus is either stupid, or a Muslim, or frightened of speaking the truth.
    Unbelievable

  51. CrossWare says

    May 15, 2016 at 1:57 am

    “The globalists LOVE Islam. It’s everything they could possibly want in a false religion. They love its brutality, the way it viciously polices its own and crushes dissent from within. They love its dehumanization, how it turns its followers into little more than human ammunition, eager to be spent in the slaughter of infidels. They love its crushing of spirit, how it keeps entire populations ignorant of history and science while living in destitute poverty, convincing them that fighting the infidels is more important than civilian infrastructure. They love its real rape culture, the way it reduces women and girls to mere livestock, to be raped or beaten or killed or sold on a whim. But most of all, they love its system of unquestioning loyalty, how its followers wouldn’t dare think twice if their imams told them to butcher that person or blow up that kindergarten or beat their own daughter to death. This is why the demonic death cult of Islam has been chosen by the globalists as the official false religion of their new world order.” – cyberjacques
    I found this on another site but it perfectly sums it up!

  52. A.T. Halmay says

    May 15, 2016 at 3:19 am

    I would hate to have him head our army if we get into any war. He looked much brighter than he is.

  53. nic says

    May 15, 2016 at 3:37 am

    “During the surge in Iraq, we were able to roll back the tide of al-Qaeda and associated insurgents because we succeeded in mobilizing Iraqis ….”

    Umm… yeeeeess…. and how well does the good General think Iraq and Afghanistan are turning out ? Extremists in retreat are they ?

    Oh wait.. no.. they’re not.

    • Rev g says

      May 15, 2016 at 4:34 am

      Such reformation as you seek in Islam would be detrimental, not beneficial.
      The Protestant reformation brought scripture to the people, and forged a return to biblical ideals.
      Such a thing, for islam, has been happening, and isn’t pretty.
      To create a benign form of islam is to make it no longer islamic.

  54. Kasey says

    May 15, 2016 at 4:13 am

    After reading General Petraeus’ comments on Islam, its rather obvious that he just doesn’t get it at all.

    Islam is not a religion but an IDEOLOGY akin to totalitarianism, which masquerades as a religion to get its advantages and deflect criticism and the reality of “Islam in action”.

    Until he and other major players in the West get to understand that and behave accordingly towards it, [as well as many Muslims themselves] the conflict will continue until Islamic hierarchies everywhere and the OIC come to grips with that reality and reform it from its grass roots.

    Otherwise most people who face its reality will continue to see The Koran and other Islamic texts as manuals with directives for lethal terror and which lay the seeds of radicalization in every Islamic youth’s mind or convert to it.

  55. Baucent says

    May 15, 2016 at 4:19 am

    “But it is precisely because the danger of Islamist extremism is so great that politicians here and abroad who toy with anti-Muslim bigotry must consider the effects of their rhetoric.”

    So is talking and educating people about “the danger of Islamist extremism” also anti-muslim bigotry? It could be if versed in certain terms, but it doesn’t need to be, nor is generally from my observation. The General appears to be advocating a head in the sand approach, say nothing and hope for the best.

  56. Jon says

    May 15, 2016 at 4:46 am

    Very disappointing to read Petraeus’ comments. One would think that his experience fighting radical Muslims would have made him more sensate about the threats facing the rest of us.

  57. Politicallyincorrectistruth says

    May 15, 2016 at 4:50 am

    Well here we go again,another fool that thinks if we just all hold hands and sing songs everything will be ok. Petraeus says “Demonizing a religious faith and its adherents not only runs contrary to our most cherished and fundamental values as a country; it is also corrosive to our vital national security interests and, ultimately, to the United States’ success in this war.” so, according to him, religious faiths are OFF LIMITS to any sort of analysis,comparison or TRUTH. All religions are not equal and it`s blindingly obvious islam is not compatible with modern society which constantly seeks for better justice, equality etc. As long as there is the koran and hadiths, we will always have those who follow it to the extreme of wanting to destroy democracy and freedom.

  58. duh_swami says

    May 15, 2016 at 5:01 am

    “O how the mighty are falling…Plop, plop, splat…Self censorship translates into ‘please do9n’t hurt me’…The cowards song..t.hey don’t make Generals like they used to…Would Patton talk like that?

  59. Always On Watch says

    May 15, 2016 at 6:43 am

    Gad!

    Denial of the threat of Islam has reached pathological proportions.

  60. Richard Paulsen says

    May 15, 2016 at 7:05 am

    General secretary Hillary Clinton is very elegant, I must say, With a powerful rhetoric. Scaring to be her opponent.

  61. Cindy Mccoy says

    May 15, 2016 at 7:17 am

    This is one big coward. I bet his own men are ashamed of him!!!! Tell me I should be careful in what I say so I don’t offend the muslims!!!! What about how they offend me???? Does that matter??? Not according to you!!!!
    I’m tired of being told I have to bend over backward not to offend people who come here with such hate in their hearts for us. I am told don’t fly my flag it offends them, don’t play my national anthem it offends them. To that I say…..TO HELL WITH THEM!!!!! Then they will have to be offended!!!! I am offended that someone in my country who is part of the military would ask me to hide the flag that MANY heroes have died to protect!!!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!! I am deeply offended!!!!!!!

  62. Jan D'haene says

    May 15, 2016 at 8:02 am

    It is unbelievable and unbecoming for this ” 4 star general” to make such appeasing comments to the enemy. You would think, since he was in command of the troops in Afganistan and Iraq, that he would have learned something about Islam. Now I know why a decisive victory was out of the question from the beginning with this type of mindset. He seems not to have heeded the advice of the late general McCarthy who said that there is no substitute for victory when fighting a war. There is also no substitute for western civilization so that we should defend it to the teeth. Shame on you, Patraeus.
    I also suggest you read Sun Tsu ” the Art of War”, as appeasing your enemy is not an option.

  63. Ver Auger says

    May 15, 2016 at 8:15 am

    I was taught that American soldiers are sworn to uphold and defend our Constitutional freedoms. How can an American General advise us to surrender our First Amendment freedom of speech without protest, without a struggle? Have our Army, Navy and Air Force all been defeated in battle? Is he a coward, or an enemy agent? Regardless, failure to uphold the Constitution is grounds for court-martial. Petraeus should resign his military commission and rank immediately because his words disgrace them and dishonor all American soldiers who have given their lives to defend our freedoms.

  64. Troybeam says

    May 15, 2016 at 8:57 am

    Traitor against America, when one of our Military, elected official tells the American people they must watch what they say as not to offend anyone than they should leave office. The Constitution does not tell us to be quiet, it states “FREEDOM OF SPEECH” We the People need to speak up loudly when anything that may prevent us from speaking up for anything that threatens our nation in any manner.

    • Peggy says

      May 15, 2016 at 9:40 am

      Another name to add to the list of traitors to be dealt with later on.

  65. Elizabeth in The First State says

    May 15, 2016 at 9:06 am

    I know David Petraeus was taught American history. What has caused him to forget how our country was born? Since that very moment in 1776, the United States of America has demonstrated that freedom is more important than security. It is that urge to be free that is in fact the fuel and the guarantee of our democratic way of life, not the craven, timorous huddling in fear for the mistaken idol of “security”. Petraeus once again disgraces himself by whimpering we should not hurt the feelings of anyone who will strike back at us, living out their own values of submission or death. Apparently he prefers the defining American image to be a mouth plastered with Stars and Stripes duck tape. I am more moved than ever by an image much, much older, a rippling flag that reads, “Live free or die”.

  66. Dave says

    May 15, 2016 at 9:44 am

    Petraeusis is either delusional or he has sold himself out.

  67. Stephen says

    May 15, 2016 at 9:54 am

    Does anyone know when Petraeus converted to Islam and joined jihad?

  68. Dale Netherton says

    May 15, 2016 at 9:58 am

    The Two Prong Attacks of Islam

    A false dichotomy is afoot. The notion that Islam is only composed of “Radical” extremists and the other Muslims are simply peaceful is actually a two prong effort to instill Sharia law by two methods of infiltration. First ,the one that gets the most attention is the bloody acts of killing and maiming witnessed most recently by the attacks in Paris. Here the suicidal fanatics demonstrate to the innocents and the muslim population at large how dedicated and ruthless they can be. Willing to blow themselves up to instill terror in the hearts of the innocents they simultaneously instill that same terror in the Muslims passively going along who dare not speak up against their fanatical brothers acting out the atrocities of Mohammad. This method of spreading Islam has been the strategy of Islamists from the first days of this religion. The objective of creating Sharia law and the killing of infidels, the worldwide conquest of all nations, and the establishment of a caliphate drive this movement.

    Once the terror is established by the fanatics the road is clear for the passive Muslims to make their move by infiltration and non-assimilation into countries primarily of another persuasion. Relying on the altruism and fear of their victims, mobs of Muslims take over by majority as in the town of Hamtramck Michigan. It is equivalent to a mopping up operation after the blitzkrieg of the fanatics. This follow up movement must be reinforced by periodic acts of violence and terror to reinforce the followers belief that the movement is inevitable.

    Americans and many others have not wised up to this approach and have excused the followers as deserving of innocence. The taking over of pockets of formerly non-muslim areas proves otherwise.

    If you couple this approach with a willingness to lie to promote Islam you have a potent objective that can only be stopped if it is recognized as the devious monstrosity it is. The intellectual defense of claiming islamaphobia when “innocent followers” are accused of compliance to this spread of Islam works well in a country willing to give the benefit of the doubt and turn the other cheek .

    This war is a different war than those of the past. It is not a war of identified enemies with uniforms and national loyalty. It is a war of subversives willing to connive and infiltrate, perform suicidal carnage and simultaneously slither into the population of the unsuspecting in two different forms. One is the fanatic and one is the follower but both have the same objective and only perform differently to obtain this goal.

    The term radicalized has real meaning when the follower becomes the fanatic. Passively infiltrating and avoiding assimilation is a more subdued method so those who want to speed up the process and inspire the followers to comply become who we call “ radicalized” which means they are now of the fanatic class and will do violence to intimidate and strike terror.

    So what is to be done in such a war? First identify the strategy for what it is and realize how attitudes and mores are affecting our ability to counteract the movement. Calling the followers innocent is a major mistake. When the followers do not denounce the fanatics you can be sure they are being compliant. How many Muslims did you see condemn the killings in Paris?

    This logically leads to the need to identify and root out those who are plotting against the people who are innocent. The source of propaganda is wherever the notion of a caliphate and Muslim dominance is taught. These centers whether in America or the Middle East or the Far East must be targeted as seeds of conquest and infiltrated and monitored and/or destroyed. Hiding behind the “sacredness” of a religious temple or sanctuary is only another tool the true Muslims hide behind just as they hide behind women and children in battle.

    Once the enemy knows we are onto their game, the game is over. When they talk we know they lie. When they seek peace we know they seek dominance. When they claim innocence we know they only use a different method to overtake us. When they cry discrimination, we simply tell them we discriminate against all criminal behavior. We need to give no quarter to this enemy that is doing everything it can to overtake us. They think they are being clever but the identification of their methods and connivance puts us in the position of strength they fear. Once they know that we know what they are up to, trepidation will begin, doubt will spread and the cleverness they were sure was undecipherable will disappear. Know your enemy is the first requirement of victory.

    • quotha raven says

      May 15, 2016 at 4:26 pm

      To Dale Netherton, who ends his comment with ” Know your enemy is the first requirement of victory.:

      Thank you, Dale. Your whole comment is clear, smart and exactly right on the money.
      Hope it will be read by all with focused attention.

      Cheers!

      quotha raven

    • Wellington says

      May 16, 2016 at 1:08 am

      Excellent analysis, Dale. Spot on.

  69. Florida Jim says

    May 15, 2016 at 10:27 am

    MUslims cannot be trusted Sharia, Jihad, beheading and Taqiyya all rule them as anti-American and anti-freedom . their religion is a political philosophy rapped as a Religion Of Peace, it is neither.They cannot or will not assimilate anywhere they simply move in and start the take-over using our freedoms to destroy ourselves.

  70. jewdog says

    May 15, 2016 at 11:42 am

    We should respect people’s religious beliefs, but not when they are violent, coercive or hateful. Islam has purely religious components which do not affect others, but then there are the more problematic elements involving the universal imposition of Shariah law, by force if necessary. There are also many passages in Islamic scripture which denigrate unbelievers in a violent and contemptuous way.
    Petraeus either is not sufficiently aware of those elements, or he knows about them and chooses to ignore their implications. What I find truly infuriating about his views is that they imply that totally innocent people are guilty simply by expressing some justifiably negative opinions about something that richly deserves condemnation. Go to Hell, Petraeus, you lowlife scumbag!

  71. Wes Stewart says

    May 15, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    Arthur Neville Chamberlain FRS (18 March 1869 – 9 November 1940) was a British Conservative politician who served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from May 1937 to May 1940. Chamberlain is best known for his appeasement foreign policy, and in particular for his signing of the Munich Agreement in 1938, conceding the German-speaking Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia to Germany. However, when Adolf Hitler later invaded Poland, the UK declared war on Germany on 3 September 1939, and Chamberlain led Britain through the first eight months of World War II. Appeasement invites aggression. You can submit to your enemy incrementally through appeasement or all at once. It’s surrender either way.

  72. TJFreedomjihad says

    May 15, 2016 at 2:21 pm

    So many actual, and imagined, greats throughout time, as so many lessers, have ethical flaws that arise, among the gamut of pathos-ethos-logos. Too often the greats, apparent or real, get fatal flaws which lead to great consequence, for self or more. A true human problem, involved with ‘absolute (and lesser) power corrupts!’

    Sex opportunity in the greats, and self-imagined greats, is real, outrageously so, clearly at least as far back in Roman and Biblical times as well. Power is even a greater attractant, than wealth, although typically hand in glove.

    Betrayus somehow made General staff, and we thought he was fantastic, the wonder boy, until……but he was and is still deeply flawed, with both islam the gang, and ego. It is too clear he has not yet learned.

    The problem is so common, and real, and consequential, it ought to be taught as a valued vaccine course in military college and every college in the land, (along with the bitter truth of the islam gang!). Unfortunately, the ‘course on flaws and prevention’ (Ethics 101 and remedial, of course), would be more effective when combined with Belief in G-d, and His commandments, either faith’s (Christian-Jew) commandments, which is antithetical to today’s collegiate realities, not to mention societies, who have tended to be suckered into following the stance of the formerly oh so fine ‘smart’ perfessors. Starting at the so called top, Harvard, (and even such as MIT, whose Gruber lacked ‘ethics’ en masse as well) as explained on Fox today, about which Harvard as way too often stepped in it in its most recent, new and current debacle. Even college administrations show their culpability.

    Gruber and Rhodes not to mention so many others are prime examples of this failure-flaw, which involves great lacks of dedication to PATHOS-ETHOS-LOGOS.

  73. Robert Half says

    May 15, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    The entire invasion of Islam stems from our own sins. We ourselves are to blame. Since Roe v. Wade, 57 million + babies have been murdered in the United States, while billions more have been destroyed from birth controls. Keep in mind Roe v. Wade as you read the Mind of the Almighty as He responds to the blood of the unborn screaming to Him for vengeance:

    Woe to the makers of wicked laws. The Assyrian shall be a rod for punishing Israel: but for their pride they shall be destroyed: and a remnant of Israel saved.
    10:1. Woe to them that make wicked laws: and when they write, write injustice:

    10:2. To oppress the poor in judgment, and do violence to the cause of the humble of my people: that widows might be their prey, and that they might rob the fatherless.

    10:3. What will you do in the day of visitation, and of the calamity which cometh from afar? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?

    10:4. That you be not bowed down under the bond, and fall with the slain? In all these things his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

    10:5. Woe to the Assyrian, he is the rod and the staff of my anger, and my indignation is in their hands.

    10:6. I will send him to a deceitful nation, and I will give him a charge against the people of my wrath, to take away the spoils, and to lay hold on the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.

    10:7. But he shall not take it so, and his heart shall not think so: but his heart shall be set to destroy, and to cut off nations not a few.

    Nations not a few? Like all of Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand? All of western “civilization” is now condemned. Pray the Rosary!!!

  74. Stephen says

    May 15, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    I’m pretty sure Petraeus became a Mohammaden once he heard it’s teaching on polygamy. 90% of treason is usually with issues below the belt.

  75. Doug Mayfield says

    May 15, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    At the time, I felt regret for Petraeus and his career ending affair.
    Now I’m beginning to believe we’re well rid of him.

    Self censorship to avoid offending Muslims is the refuge of a
    thorough and complete coward. I say ‘thorough and complete’
    because the evidence pouring in from around the world makes it
    crystal clear that Islam is an absolutely evil belief system.

    To not speak against Islam is to embrace and nurture evil.

    • Dean says

      May 15, 2016 at 8:01 pm

      The vast majority of military officers are only good for destroying the enemy in the field and we can’t expect too much more from them. He was elevated to CIA because the admin knew he could be controlled and he is now only echoing what he is told. Some officers have excellent understanding of the big picture but they are not the rule and can be easily identified by how they consistently handle themselves away from tactical issues. You will notice how the left just ignores their opinions and the Conservatives and the general public should be more skeptical The excellent education at West Point only qualifies in one occupation just like MIT graduates can be absolutely irrational beyond limited scientific expertise.

  76. solange silverman says

    May 15, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    What I want to know is when will he and the rest of the world get “concerned” about the dialogue and actual hateful acts against the Jews? So far, attacks against Muslims have been virtually nil. I guess he thinks that telling the truth qualifies as an “attack.” I write and try to educate others about the truth of Islam and what is happening in the world because of the threat that it poses, only to be told I am “spreading hate.” But I, like you, will not be silent. I feel like this is what it must have felt like to be a lone voice warning the world about the rise of Hitler and what was going on in those camps. People need to wake up.

    • Doug Mayfield says

      May 15, 2016 at 6:05 pm

      I think people are awake. But due to corrupt education, the twin forms of blackmail used by the Left political correctness and multiculturalism, and above all, a lack of confidence in reason and their own minds, they give in as, in my view, Petraeus has.

      You mention the rise of Hitler. I remember reading about America in the 30s, that some very prominent people thought pretty well of Hitler, including Charles Lindberg, Henry Ford, etc. America was also quite isolationist. Pearl Harbor swept all of that away.

      I hope we don’t have to go through the equivalent of a Pearl Harbor in order for people to see that Islam is absolutely evil.

      • TJFreedomjihad says

        May 15, 2016 at 8:22 pm

        For me it was 9-11, as updated Pearl Harbor, perhaps an even greater tragedy will befall or be needed. I pray not,

        Certainly such was known to the scholarly class in the ancients of Greece, as this comment of relevance: “Nothing FORCES us to know what we do not want to know, except pain”. – Aeschylus

        It really is a statement most profound, when one explores all the incarnate manifestations. Even the force of the quotation hurts, knowing sometime personally, as we all do, of the this profound Greek truth. Writ little or large, it operates through time.

  77. rabrooks says

    May 15, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    But in the same light, wouldn’t anti-American statements form mudslimes ‘naturally’ cause anti-mudslime actions by Americans?

    • Dean says

      May 15, 2016 at 7:50 pm

      Conservatives tend to expect too much from military officers. From my experience in the military, beyond some expertise on killing and destroying the enemy officers have every variety of political and ideological views. I was never impressed with Patraeus except his tactical efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Even then he was concerned about enemy reactions to American criticism as it might affect his operatives and their temporary alliances with Islamic partners in those wars. I was sure that Obama had something on him to elevate him to CIA because that admin wouldn’t let anyone in that position they couldn’t control, and absolutely convinced when he was silent about Benghazi and we found out about what they had all along after Obama’s re-election. I am not saying that he is not reaching irrational conclusions about these issues with all the info but it is just as likely that he doesn’t think beyond his command responsibilities and is otherwise clueless and takes his lead from others echoing his original theater level of understanding.

      • TJFreedomjihad says

        May 15, 2016 at 8:36 pm

        Never is it to much to expect honor, integrity, and diligence, and a measure of intelligent wisdom from our military officers. Brilliance of command may be an exception, but not the former. Even the ranks carry some of the stuff of brilliance, for time and circumstance, if wrought well, in modern forces.

        Actually getting these attributes can sometimes disappoint. In Petraeus, the question is did he secretly convert, or did he fail to study and know his enemy, truly. Either way, he fails to live up to the example of Patton, or the lessons of Sun Tzu, and others of the same advice to know well your enemy.

        It has always been a variable hell to work under civilian commanders in chief, some worse than others, easily the worst of all time the chief betrayers in office, which does well include shrillary shroo, et al. Brain washing and blackmail taken to an high art form.

  78. rabrooks says

    May 15, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    But why is it OK for the mudslimes to have a “full blanket discrimination” policy against non-mudslimes?

  79. Debi Brand says

    May 15, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    ………………………………

    In the article, Patraeus warns those who write or speak on Islam and the adherents to it and do so using verses, analysis, and/or citations that often arouse in the reader or hearer of such, anger, passion, or hostility.

    He warns against such action, stating, he has “grown increasingly concerned about inflammatory political discourse that has become all too common both at home and abroad against Muslims and Islam.”

    He warns, if the practice is allowed to continue, it will undoubtedly incur to us lasting harm, as well “compound the already grave terrorist danger to our citizens.”

    Thus, he warns us against what he calls this “blanket discrimination, against people on the basis of their religion.” Put in other words, he warns us against thinking, regarding, or treating followers of Islam as though there is a distinct difference between those who follow Islam and those who do not.

    Speaking to the offences and dangers Patraeus cautions us against, revered scholar and teacher of Islam, Qadi Iyad, in his renown work, Ash-Shifa, provides the following clarifications on the matter:

    “Know that all who curse Muhammad, may Allah bless and grant him peace, or blame him or attribute imperfection to him in his person, his linage, his deen or any of his qualities, or alludes to that or its like by any means whatsoever, whether in the form of a curse or contempt or belittling him or detracting from him or finding fault with him or maligning him, the judgment regarding such a person is the same as the judgment against anyone who curses him. He is killed.”1

    Buttressing that established Islamic precept, the same source asserts, “This is the consensus of the ulama and the imams of fatwa from the time of the Companions until today.” (Ibid.)

    From the same regarded source, Ibn al-Qasim asserts in “the ‘Utibiyya,’ “Anyone who curses him, reviles him, finds fault with him, disparages him is killed …. Allah made it obligatory to respect the Prophet and be dutiful to him.” (ibid, P. 374.) Hence, Abu ‘l-Musab and Ibn Abi Uway, state, “they heard Malik say, ‘Anyone who curses the Messenger of Allah … reviles him, finds fault with him or disparages him is killed, be he Muslim or unbeliever.” (Ibid.)

    So too, anyone who shows contempt or “lack of respect for the Messenger of Allah…His blood is permissible.” (Ibid, P. 375.)

    Therefore, as Qadi Iyad provides, “the fuqaha of Andalusia gave a fatwa that,” the scholar of Toledo, ibn Hatim, “be killed and crucified” because someone testified the man had “made light of what was due the Prophet.” (ibid.)

    Clearly, just as Patraeus is warning us of, it is a dangerous act, for one who studies Islam, and in that study finds fault in the doctrine of Islam, to voice that fault found. Therefore, Patraeus warns all against doing so.

    Thus, mindful of the above spelled-out basic tenets of Islam, as I read the counsel of Patraeus, I could not help but think, “You know, Islamically speaking, Patraeus is so right.”

    Moreover, as Robert accurately points to in his intro of the article, Patraeus here is clearly speaking to the Temporary ban of Muslim Emigration that Trump called for. Chastening, warning, both the man who made the call and the people who supported him in it.

    (Patraeus failed to speak to the fact that many in Islam are prisoner to it, held in it because a basic tenet in Islam demands the execution to those who leave it. He likewise failed to speak to the fact that many women subjected to men who live guided by Islam live deprived of much basic freedom and dignity.

    He also shied from stating, many of the so-called Muslims of which he speaks, who, fought or fight alongside our troops, with us, for our cause and not for the only cause and reason the Muslims is Allah and Allah’s Messenger allowed and ordered to fight for; for so doing, have been slaughtered.

    Slaughtered at the hands of the Allah-obedient. Slaughtered according and in obedience to the tenets of the Islam Patraeus begs we refrain from showing in a less than honorable light.

    In addition to the above worthy-of-addressing issues, Patraeus likewise shied from speaking to the fact that the lion’s share of the aforementioned at threat from the basic tenets of Islam; they pray, hope, or wish for Non-Muslims to find the backbone, the courage, the fortitude to address Islam for what its “sacred texts” show it is. Bring into light the realities of that faith-system. Thus help, save, free those suffering, those marred, those marked for slaughtered because of what is written in the established text of Qur’an and Sunnah.

    Indeed, practicing what he preaches, Patraeus refrained from mentioning what one typically notes in articles posted at Jihad Watch: seemingly daily, someone is, oftentimes many are, by the hands of “believers” threatened, marred, dismembered, or slaughtered in obedience to the guidance and the tenets of Islam.)

    Read more: http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2016/05/petraeus-makes-case-for-our-need-of.html

  80. Debi Brand says

    May 15, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    Petraeus makes the case for our need of, “…namely, Muslims.”

    http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2016/05/petraeus-makes-case-for-our-need-of.html

  81. Edward says

    May 15, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    Respect from others is earned and not to be expected!

    What can be expected from others that are known to hate other religions simply because a human conceptualized an ideology that justified their own wrong doings to mask their real actions as documents have contradicted their own accounts.

    The Muslims started their own inflicted dilemma (of not being respected) at the price of thousand innocents for +1400 years!

    “And because of this fact, Muhammad was wrong for insulting and antagonizing the Meccans, wrong for mustering up an army to conquer Mecca, wrong for creating a religion that has ensnared billions of lives throughout the centuries, and which has caused countless deaths and sufferings till this very day.”

    – http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/antagonizing.htm

    • Edward says

      May 15, 2016 at 9:47 pm

      The Blame Game that Deception Prone People Use to Gain Prominence:

      The cunning expertise of the Islamic adherents has snared many to believe they are the main victims in any human account that may undercut their dignity, when in fact they are the perpetrators to begin with, which has caused many horrendous crimes. Evidence of such atrocities is flagged by many resources, i.e. Jihadwatch.org and ThereligionofPeace.com among others that have proved such veracity without doubt!

      Here is example of such an attribute that beleaguers many innocents.

      http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-philosophy-of-terrorism-why-blaming-victims-offers-no-justification-for-terrorist-attacks

  82. Lulu says

    May 15, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    Simple…. he is a mouthpiece… For them…. …….. TRUMP2016

  83. Mark says

    May 15, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    “They will “compound the already grave terrorist danger to our citizens.” They already want to kill us. How in the world can you “compound” that? Who is this guy, anyway?

  84. Rev. William Cook says

    May 16, 2016 at 12:27 am

    I believe the Japanese call it seppuku or hari-kari. At Jonestown, Guyana in 1978, cyanide-laced Kool-Aid was used. Jim Jones called it “revolutionary suicide.”

  85. duh_swami says

    May 16, 2016 at 5:41 am

    Percival…Hear no evil, see no evil, hear no evil, speak o evil…Percival was a pure fool who had a very short life span…

  86. Demsci says

    May 16, 2016 at 6:43 am

    Petraeus says he is pro our free and open societies, and safety in them. i believe that he is. But his choice of strategy is so dumb and uninformed. We can be very anti-Islamic precisely we are so pro-democratic! And we let Muslims be anti-Democratic because they are so pro-totalitarian!

    Why can’t he acknowledge that Islam is a pre-modern-democratic, un-democratic and anti-democratic ideology. Islam is in favor of Totalitarian society. It is either that or a hell of a lot of Muslims misunderstand Islam in that way.

    People, including Muslims, should be required to choose the one or the other and live in the one they prefer, not in the one in opposition to that. Isn’t that reasonable and rational?

    We can respect people’s choice for one of the 2 sorts of societies, but Petraeus still thinks we insult Muslims when we simply ban them for preferring a totalitarian society over a democratic society.

    I know it sounds simplistic, but plenty of surveys clearly show many anti-democratic, totalitarian values, in varying degrees, among Muslims. And we do have the means to describe the difference between societal systems. And so we can let people choose and hold them accountable for that choice.

  87. Angry Citizen says

    May 16, 2016 at 11:42 am

    “David Petraeus: Anti-Muslim bigotry aids Islamist terrorists,” by David Petraeus, Washington Post, May 13, 2016:

    So America has a Dopey Dave the same as the UK.

    To BOTH Dopey Daves,

    Anti-Muslim bigotry DOES NOT aid Islamist terrorists. WEAK TWO FACED LEADERS aid Islamist terrorists, or more correctly, AID muslims.

  88. gary fouse says

    May 16, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    Petraeus is absolutely wrong. If we in the West close our mouths as to the threat facing us and refuse to question the ideology that is driving it, we only embolden the jihadists. Our good will means nothing to them. They only respect strength and will exploit weakness.

    Long live the First Amendment. They don’t have it in Europe, and Europeans who speak out and tell the truth risk being imprisoned by their own governments. We dare not surrender our rights here.

  89. comnp1958 says

    May 19, 2016 at 7:25 am

    Why do we give a S**t if we offending Muslims, this love affair with a murderous, false religion, that believe Muhammad was a god is a joke. Why this love affair of the satan and his practice.
    This BS that Anti-Muslim bigotry aids Islamist terrorists is insane, they want to KILL YOU, they don’nt care what you say.
    Stop the insanity and grow a pair, Petraeus was a great leader what happen

  90. Draki says

    May 19, 2016 at 8:19 am

    Petraeus is a statist. Anything that the state doesn’t approve is a no no. Screw him.

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