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Raymond Ibrahim: How the Media Exploit — and Omit — Pictures to Islam’s Benefit (WARNING: Graphic)

May 9, 2016 7:43 am By Raymond Ibrahim

Why did the so-called “mainstream media,” or MSM, widely disseminate the picture of Alan Kurdi—the three-year-old Syrian child who drowned in the Mediterranean—while never publishing pictures of other Mideast children who, worse than accidentally drowning, were intentionally murdered?

Did you, for instance, ever see this more recent picture?

This little boy was murdered a few weeks ago, on March 27 — Easter Sunday — when Islamic suicide bombers, targeting Christians, attacked a crowded park, killing dozens of people, mostly women and children.

What about this baby in diaper, lying dead under a church pew?

He—along with some 60 Christian worshippers—was killed when Islamic jihadis attacked their church service in Baghdad in 2010 (click here to see what happened to the adults—including the Muslim suicide bombers).

Did you see this picture?

It was of the “youngest hostage” captured by ISIS/Freedom Fighters after they took the predominantly Christian town of Kessab, Syria, in 2014.  Based on precedent [1], he’s likely dead now.

What about this 12-year-old Coptic Christian girl — also found lying dead on the Mediterranean coast?

She was abducted and murdered in Libya last year, soon after the U.S.-supported jihadis who ousted Gaddafi issued a “reward” for anyone finding and killing Christians.  Her parents were also murdered for the same reason.  (More graphic images of her mutilated face here.)

What of this 12-year-old Pakistani Christian girl?

She was raped and murdered by a Muslim man who wasn’t even convicted, as happens regularly in Pakistan whenever a Muslim abuses or murders a Christian.

Christian children are not the only ones to be slaughtered by Muslim jihadis for being subhuman “infidels.”  The child below was executed in Syria in 2012 by “freedom fighters”—today more commonly known as “ISIS”—for being the son of Shia (who are seen as “infidels” no less than Christians).

This toddler girl was reportedly chained and made to watch her Shia parents being executed.  Based on another extremely graphic picture, her heart may have been later carved out by the “rebels.”

The above pictures are only a small sampling of Christian and other “infidel” children killed by Islamic supremacists.  Much more graphic images are available (such as the beheaded and mangled corpse of a very young Buddhist girl in Thailand).

Back to our original question: why did the MSM—which you now know habitually ignores images of children killed for being non-Muslim “infidels”—publish and widely disseminate the image of a child who accidentally drowned? Simple: For a desired effect.  For a political agenda.  In this case, to prompt “sympathy and outrage at the inaction of developed nations in helping refugees,” as one report put it.

And it worked.

Thus, French president François Hollande phoned a number of “European leaders after the images [of Kurdi] were circulated in the media and told the leaders that the picture must be a reminder of the world’s responsibility against refugees.”    British Prime Minister David Cameron said he felt “deeply moved” by the picture, Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny found it “absolutely shocking,” and so on. “Shame on us all for the death of Aylan Kurdi”—the title of an op-ed—was the dominant theme.

Action followed words.  … Keep Reading 

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  1. Linda Hockley says

    May 9, 2016 at 8:06 am

    Am I the only one who’s suspicious about the death of Alan Kurdi? Its interesting that he and his mother “accidentally drowned”, but the father got safely ashore. His aunt in Canada got an awful lot of air time over a child that was more likely drowned, along with his mother, by his father,

    • Angemon says

      May 9, 2016 at 8:09 am

      No, you’re not:

      http://www.therebel.media/_a_liar_and_a_blamer_kurdi_s_father_accused

      • gravenimage says

        May 10, 2016 at 12:02 am

        Thanks for that.

    • Jay Boo says

      May 9, 2016 at 8:56 am

      The E U (European Ultra-Left) is a propaganda machine.

    • Hope says

      May 9, 2016 at 4:40 pm

      There is a great deal about that poor child’s death that is suspicious. When you look at the evidence, it doesn’t add up.

  2. Jay Boo says

    May 9, 2016 at 8:39 am

    Order
    a tasteful Soup and Mutton Sandwich

    Get
    a hateful Stupid Muslim Sand Bitch

  3. Linde Barrera says

    May 9, 2016 at 9:55 am

    I am so ashamed that “the free press-free speech” modes of operation, also known as “main stream media” in the US has completely overlooked these horrific stories about abuse, rape, torture and murder of innocent children in Islamic countries. It tells me that Satan and his minions are hard at work on planet Earth.

  4. Wakeup says

    May 9, 2016 at 10:06 am

    What I would like to know is does anyone in power look at this website I am not going to delete this one please dont take it down. Does cameron see this does Donald Trump see this as far as I am concerned all muslims who don’t condem this sort of thing are complicit in it.

    “Do not make a friend of the infidel” well that is fine by me. islam is satanic.

  5. celticwarriorcanada says

    May 9, 2016 at 10:13 am

    It was the image of the little girl in her party dress , beheaded in a church , which moved me to become an anti islamist crusader . Michael Coran showed it on The Sun News broadcast which later became The Rebel, here in Canada.Later I learned that this atrocity was carried out by the Free Syrian Army .At one time I was a great respecter of Senator John Mccain ! Now every time I hear about him or see him in the news : I think of that beautiful little girl and I see the footage in my mind , of John Mccain in Syria climbing up the rectums of THE SO CALLED MODERATES who carried out these atrocities ! After that I could no longer think of him as A War Hero But As A War Criminal ! along with Obama , Biden , Hilary and John L.S.D. Burn Out Kerry !!! They should all be tried for War Crimes and then be Strung Up just The Mussolinis . This is Definitely WHY THE Enemedia,hides these images ,because this is the Effect They Have On Most Rational Human Beings Who Have A Conscience ! P.S. I really appreciate your articles Raymond and your concern for the persecution of Christians !

    • Stephen says

      May 10, 2016 at 2:02 pm

      All you need to know about McCain is that he respectfully refers to the genocidal demoniac Mao tse Tung as the Chairman and qoutes him often. He may be physically tough but he’s no hero, he may be a survivor but he’s no hero and never was.

    • Fessitude says

      May 10, 2016 at 2:05 pm

      The question is, (1) are these “Elites” doing it willfully (= knowingly supporting the evil)? Or (2) are they doing it in grossly misguided negligence informed by the sincerely starry-eyed (yet inane) ideals of politically correct multi-culturalism?

      Many in the Counter-Jihad seem unwilling, or unable, to attend intelligently to this distinction. It makes all the difference in the world. But when certain JW commenters indulge the former (1), certain other JW commenters zoom in to bash them over the head, getting their obtuse, muddy boots all over the distinction; and what clarity could have been had is lost in the kerfuffle slash melee.

      • Angemon says

        May 10, 2016 at 3:35 pm

        Fessitude posted:

        “The question is, (1) are these “Elites” doing it willfully (= knowingly supporting the evil)? ”

        Are those the same “elites” you used to mocked others about? “Something along the lines of “the JW conspiracy theorists are under the false impression that there’s a Dastardly Cabal of Elites. Silly them, always looking for an extraordinary explanation when the truth is far more simple”.

  6. Jay Boo says

    May 9, 2016 at 10:21 am

    Innocent children suffer.

    Whatever happened to young journalism students who were once so full of idealistic dreams?
    Now they filter every thought through a PB scheme.

    How many journalism professors have been corrupted by Saudi direct and indirect funding?
    Universities have become addicted to Saudi funding.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/02/25/will-us-colleges-and-universities-see-decline-saudi-funded-students

  7. Jay Boo says

    May 9, 2016 at 10:28 am

    True Islam

  8. D-spot says

    May 9, 2016 at 10:50 am

    Empathy and compassion. Are these the human emotions burned away by a thousand years of inbreeding? The slaughter of innocent children, abused and degraded. What monstrous person thinks this is their ‘god’s’ will? These haunting images must reach the people who need to see them – how can we not act to obliterate this evil.

    • Jay Boo says

      May 9, 2016 at 11:18 am

      “What monstrous person thinks this is their ‘god’s’ will?”
      They know what they are doing.
      Their ignorance is willful.

      Islam has never been a religion; Islam is an excuse.

      • Stephen says

        May 10, 2016 at 2:05 pm

        The one who worships Satan as his god!

  9. Mickey says

    May 9, 2016 at 11:53 am

    The little girl chained to the iron railing looks like my 3 year old daughter.
    We in the West need to see these pictures. This brutality and willful ignorance is ISLAM.

    • Jay Boo says

      May 9, 2016 at 12:11 pm

      It begins with an Islamic call of Allahu Akbar, but always ends with Islam porn.

    • Fessitude says

      May 10, 2016 at 2:13 pm

      Many times over the years I have spoken of how the PC MC worldview is not bad in and of itself; what is going on is that it “re-routes” incoming data and processes it through the PC MC template so that the result coming out the other end (an anus resembling a brain) are politically correct multi-culturalist opinions.

      Thus, when the incoming data of these horrifying pictures of these atrocities against children is absorbed by the PC MC person, the data does not get processed rationally: it gets re-routed along channels that have been constructed to protect Islam and Muslims at all cost. Thus, the incoming data of these atrocities, once it gets processed through the PC MC operating system, leads not to a condemnation of Islam and of Muslims who embody & enable Islam — but rather to the Tiny Minority of Extremists™ who have nothing to do with Islam and the Vast Majority of Nice Muslims Who Just Wanna Have a Sandwich.

      So you see, the outrage at the atrocities would still be registered, and felt, by the PC MC person — but the proper object of it, which then would lead logically to trying to do things in reasonable response to the atrocities, has been replaced by something else.

      Or we can spare ourselves the time and trouble of thinking carefully about this problem (of the problem) and just demonize as evil any and every Westerner who defends Islam…

      • gravenimage says

        May 10, 2016 at 11:15 pm

        Yes–many Westerners–*including* the press–believes Islam *must* be as decent as any other faith, and that these atrocities are an aberration, if they are noticed at all.

        Political correctness *is* based in decent values–that, for instance, we not gratuitously demonize the “other”.

        But many take this, absurdly, to mean that all creeds are equally civilized–and anything that challenges this view–like this appalling evidence of Islamic atrocities–must be passed over lest it shake this bedrock worldview.

        • gravenimage says

          May 11, 2016 at 2:21 pm

          Fessitude, I thought you had made an important observation, and hence replied to it–I have, in fact, commented on your analysis of this specific issue before. That does not mean I necessarily agree with you on your approach to every matter.

          This is, indeed, how I have always responded not just to you but to every poster here.

  10. citycat says

    May 9, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    I’m not one to judge really, but some humans are sick to the core.
    Conditioning or born like that?
    Who can survive such an influence as that which causes humans to commit such horror.
    The horror, apart from orders for body parts, may also disturb the infidels’ clarity, and cause fear, outrage, or familiarization with the constant flow of such horror, such that the infidels are psychologically disturbed.
    I guess that this done because it is simply an Islamic phase in the ongoing jihad of death to all infidels, whether male, female, old, young, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, atheist, Satanist, Pagan, rich, poor, etc, and nothing to do with anything at all, but to kill all non-Muslims.
    They didn’t give the child, for example, the chance to convert. Is that not against what the Qur’an says to do with the infidels.

    • common sense says

      May 9, 2016 at 1:49 pm

      It needs to be reported and right now the Islamic US feral govt actually supports it and does not allow it to be reported. I could give a spit for anyone’s *conditioning*. I am judging it as wrong period….if we don’t know one will.

      • gravenimage says

        May 10, 2016 at 12:11 am

        It has more to do with “political correctness”–it is not as though the MSM desperately wants to report this but is not permitted by the government. We don’t have that degree of governmental censorship here–not yet, anyway.

    • Stephen says

      May 10, 2016 at 2:24 pm

      Citycat I do respect your outrage I truly do but when you prefice it with, “I’m not one to judge really, but some humans are sick to the core.
      Conditioning or born like that?” your apologizing for a basic human passion of hate in the good sense.

      God wants and expects us to hate evil! That is why he created us with the passion of hate not the vice, the passion. Do not apologize for calling evil, evil make that judgement without apology everytime you see it. No one is conditioned or born to chain toddlers to beds, rape and behead 12 year old girls, beat 2 year old boys to death, hang 3 year old children by the neck whatever the sociological or psychological influences on them, THEY CHOOSE TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE EVIL OVER GOOD!

      If one comes after me or my neighbors child I will not psycho-analysis at least not until I have neutralized the threat of evil coming my way or my neighbors way.

  11. common sense says

    May 9, 2016 at 1:40 pm

    160 billion in weapons to so called Syrian rebel fighters under the Hussein admin along with Hillary Clinton for as long as she could stomach it. Main stream press mis- directs correct reporting as a direct accessory to murder. This is what happens in all wars, people especially children die USUALLY as collateral damage. Obvious cover up and dis-information or not reported at all. Apparently no one in the position to direct our view to the area that needs it most are willing to do so.
    Hussein Obama the worlds #1 terrorist at large and one of the greatest deceivers in all of American history. Either by sheer ignorance or by willful deceit. I was never fooled by this false POTUS ( he never received my vote). No words can describe these hellish acts.
    CIA, FBI, DHS they all know this is happening and have directed the main stream to report a false drowning. That’s all it takes because Americans can be played on their compassion and sympathy.
    Muslims don’t give a f*#k if they did they would not need to leave their crappy homeland. They all know this vile crap is being carries out daily.

    • gravenimage says

      May 10, 2016 at 12:17 am

      common sense wrote:

      This is what happens in all wars, people especially children die USUALLY as collateral damage.
      …………………………

      Yes–none of these children died as unfortunate collateral damage, They were directly *targeted* by savage Muslims.

      • Peggy says

        May 10, 2016 at 1:32 am

        Spot on.
        Targeting innocent angels like these children is a horrible sin which can only be done by extreme evil.

      • Stephen says

        May 10, 2016 at 10:00 pm

        Spot on but its much worse notice they disrobed and exposed the innocence of the child they hung. As affected as we are by original sin a theologian once taught me even fallen man cannot think of these types of atrocities on his own. He said such thoughts are first proposed to the mind of men directly by Satan and men choose directly to cooperate, conspire with Satan or reject him. He further noted that St. Peter Damien stated even devils flee when men cooperate with such things never percieving that man would actually cooperate with such acts as proposed to them by Satan.

        It is our choice to beat these savages back to the bowels of hell from whence they came or to see humanity destroyed by our political correctness. There can be no coexistence between good and evil, they have no part in each other!

      • Stephen says

        May 10, 2016 at 10:03 pm

        That no man present put a bullet in the head of any of the monsters who committed these atrocities tells you all you need to know about Islam!

  12. Sam says

    May 9, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    Silence against evil is evil itself. We need to fight Islam everyday. We have no excuses not to. At least we can help Robert so he can continue telling the truth about Islam. I am doing it right now. You donate to please.

    • Hope says

      May 9, 2016 at 5:08 pm

      Sam, I agree. In her book, Stop The Islamization Of America, Pamela Geller writes:

      Everything we believe in has to be defended…..You cannot depend upon anyone else to do this. It must be you….Because we are at war, your approach to life must change. Every day when you wake up and throw your legs over the bed and wipe the sleep from your eyes, ask yourself, “What am I going to do today to save the Republic? What can I do today in the defense of freedom?”

    • gravenimage says

      May 10, 2016 at 12:18 am

      Hear, hear, Sam!

  13. Guest says

    May 9, 2016 at 4:20 pm

    How can such evil exist. What sort of sick world do we live in?

  14. Condor18 says

    May 9, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    The fact that we in the midst of a cultural and military jihad across the globe is omitted by the MSM as well. The various forms of Jihad as well as the hegira into Europe by the EU and into the western hemisphere by the progressives has implanted the ilk into our midst.

  15. Renee says

    May 9, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    I’m cyring

    • gravenimage says

      May 10, 2016 at 12:21 am

      So am I, Renee–with pity for the victims, and rage at their savage murderers–and anger at those who do nothing to expose this evil.

  16. Lisa says

    May 9, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    I’m a Christian women, but after reading about and viewing these poor innocents I am ANGRY with God for allowing these children to be brutalized, terrorized, tortured and murdered.

    • Todd says

      May 9, 2016 at 9:39 pm

      Why be angry at God? The Father didn’t do this, nor the Son, nor the Spirit. Man did this! Man alone, in his corrupt fallen evil state; by nature an object of God’s wrath. And God will, in fact, pour out His wrath on all who murder and rape and lie and do all kinds of evil like these child killers. The children will be avenged by the One who says, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” So don’t blame God for being patient – His patience is the exact reason why you yourself haven’t yet been subjected to God’s justice for your own evil doing – He’s giving time for repentence. But time will run out, then evil man will face the full fury of God’s justice. And there won’t be any Obamas or mullahs or Camerons or popes or anyone else to shield man then. The children are the Lord’s; they have come unto Him; the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as them. The unrepentant killers will be in hell for eternity.

      • Lisa says

        May 10, 2016 at 12:16 pm

        Todd, you are absolutely correct; blaming God is totally misguided. Thank you for speaking the Truth to me….

        • Fessitude says

          May 10, 2016 at 2:22 pm

          It’s okay to feel angry with God sometimes; He understands, and waits patiently for it to pass. And if it doesn’t pass, however, but festers, like Karl Marx’s Prometheus (about whom the great Aeschylus wrote, “truly, this is a man diseased”), it can develop into a monstrosity as bad as the evil the Rebel in his fever misperceived in the first place as he pursued the fantasy of his Good without God (think the U.S.S.R. and Asian Communism and the millions of men, women and children abused, oppressed, violated, tortured, and massacred under those political forms of mass psychosis all growing out of Marx’s anger at God).

        • Todd says

          May 10, 2016 at 9:22 pm

          I’m with you, Lisa, in your compassion for these poor kids and your outrage when it comes to these unfeeling evil brutes who murdered them. Our comfort and hope is the Lord’s holiness, His wisdom, and His faithfulness. We can rest in Him even in these evil days. Take heart, and peace.

    • gravenimage says

      May 10, 2016 at 12:19 am

      Lisa, be angry with those who so misuse their free will as to commit such evil.

      And be angry with those who whitewash it.

      • Peggy says

        May 10, 2016 at 12:22 am

        Exactly. The enablers are equally guilty and that means MSM, governments, law enforcement, and all the idiots id academia.

        • Stephen says

          May 10, 2016 at 2:37 pm

          No, the enablers or more guilty because every drop of blood from every individual act of horror commited by these monsters is on their hands. Pontius Pilate ended a stark raving lunatic who spent his days of retirement mindlessly circling a lake around Geneva dry washing his hands to blood who formerly thought he could wash his hands clean of innocent blood. Obama’s of the world take note!

        • gravenimage says

          May 10, 2016 at 11:39 pm

          Peggy wrote:

          Exactly. The enablers are equally guilty and that means MSM, governments, law enforcement, and all the idiots id academia.
          ……………………….

          I did not, of course, say that these are “equally guilty” with the Jihad butchers themselves.

  17. Edward says

    May 9, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    The jihad movement is exploited to be a noble effort as a justifiable effort to free the muslim from their self inflicted dilemma, who are being considered the victims.

    Their evil actions are condoned by some non muslim religions and the secular liberal communities around the world. They have more concern about the muslims welfare and well being then the martyrs they kill!

    WHY? Both the liberals and muslims are envious to the point of jealousy because the real victims are the most blessed with prosperity in many ways that’s why!

    The rule: High morality spawns long term success, while no morality within a nation is shunned from receiving blessings from a higher transcendental entity!

    I’m sure the little guy in the photo has seen its maker by now!

  18. Peggy says

    May 9, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    This makes me really sick. My body is shaking right now and I have an overwhelming sense of sadness and despair.
    I pray that God protects these innocent angels or fills the hearts of our leaders with love inorder to go in and get rid of the evil doing this.
    It’s time to band together and DEMAND that as many Muslims as possible get thrown out our out countires. I don’t care how. They can be marched onto ships at gunpoint for all I care. We can’t allow them safety with us while they do this.
    Sometimes I even with for a war to break out so that we can start rounding them up and throwing them out because then we might have a chance to get some order from chaos.
    If anyone here feels sorry for these savages then too bad. I don’t care how this sounds but we have to get tough on them and not worry about their human rights. They are not human so they don’t have any rights.

    • Lanya LaPunta says

      May 10, 2016 at 7:51 am

      The demonic, satan worshipping monster mohammedans, will continue to carry out their atrocities, until we start to treat them, as they treat us.

      I would not be able to bring myself down to the level of a (any and all) mohammedan. Their raping of innocents, torturing of women and children, and brutality to any non mohammedan, I could not perform those actions in revers.

      However, putting all mohammedans to the sword … that seems like the only solution. And, when comparing that to the actions of the mohammedans, it seems exceedingly humane.

  19. gravenimage says

    May 9, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    Raymond Ibrahim: How the Media Exploit — and Omit — Pictures to Islam’s Benefit (WARNING: Graphic)
    ………………………

    Whitewashing the enemy. Simply inexcusable.

    Thank you, Raymond Ibrahim.

  20. Peggy says

    May 10, 2016 at 12:30 am

    Angemon said:

    Ah, so the problem for you is not that CB is using the deaths of innocent people to further his agenda and continue to vilify the West (which, according to him, is either 99-100% anti-Christian and pro-islamic), the problem is that I object to that. Got it.
    =========================
    CB is not using the deaths of innocent children to further any agenda except to keep drumming it in that the west (governments, MSM, law enforcement, academia etc.) are just as guilty for supporting the evil. It is you who is using CB’s post to further your own agenda of discrediting him any way you can.
    You’re the one with a chip on his shoulder. CB nor anyone else goes on the attack of you like you do of CB or me and don’t say you are only debating.
    Your replies to us are very hostile and frankly I am sick of them.
    It’s time someone puts you in your place for a change.

    • Angemon says

      May 10, 2016 at 3:29 pm

      Peggy posted:

      “CB is not using the deaths of innocent children to further any agenda”

      He is, as he has done in the past.

      “except to keep drumming it in that the west (governments, MSM, law enforcement, academia etc.) are just as guilty for supporting the evil. ”

      Make up your mind: does he has an agenda he’s trying to use the deaths of innocent children to push or not? Because you’re admitting he’s using the deaths of innocent children to justify his hatred of the West. Oh, and don’t bother with the “governments, academia, etc” – CB has made it quite clear he’s not talking about “elites” or governments but the West as a whole – i.e., every single individual.

      “It is you who is using CB’s post to further your own agenda of discrediting him any way you can.”

      I can’t take credit for it – he does a very good job on his own. For example, he claimed that the US spent 5 billion USD to depose the Ukrainian government and he even gave a link to prove it… which said that his claim was false. Plus, if you were honest, you’d have noticed others, through no ation of mine, caught up with CB’s shtick very quickly early on – I just happen to be the most vocal among them.

      “You’re the one with a chip on his shoulder.”

      Huh, what?

      “CB nor anyone else goes on the attack of you like you do of CB or me”

      Says the person who barged in here saying I have a chip on my (or CB’s) shoulder and overall whining about me rather than addressing my arguments. Plus, you’re demonstrably false. Take, for example, Mazo, one of the regular islamic apologists here. I could show you posts of him far more aggro and insulting than anything I ever said about you or CB.

      “and don’t say you are only debating. ”

      You don’t dictate the rules here. Plus, I can say that because I usually stick to arguments and reasoning. Of course, when you start throwing falsehoods and random insults my way, gloves are off.

      “Your replies to us are very hostile”

      Says the person who, on several occasions, opened the hostilities against me by outright insulting me for the crime of questioning her words. But you’re the victime here, aren’t you? Peggy, always the crybully.

      “and frankly I am sick of them.”

      Then don’t start s*** by, for example, going around lying about me. As you did here on this topic, where you’re complaining about me.

      “It’s time someone puts you in your place for a change.”

      Come at me bro.

  21. Lexa456 says

    May 10, 2016 at 6:39 am

    Somebody needs to show these pictures to Muslims, even better, muslim refugees, telling them that the poor children were Muslims killed bei the ISIS. Watch AND RECORD their responses closely. And while they are still moaning over their lost future terrorists, come clean by telling them who the children really were. Keep on watching AND RECORDING their reactions reeeaaal close. I bet one will be able to see those people’s real diabolic faces. Spread the videos all over the world for everyone to see.

    • Fessitude says

      May 10, 2016 at 2:26 pm

      That would be a pointless exercise. Given what we know (or what we should know, by now) about Islam and Muslims, we ought to reasonably conclude that any Muslim who seems appropriately ethically outraged by such photos is lying to us, feigning that outrage & indignation — no less than when that Muslim would say that “Islam is a great religion of peace”.

    • gravenimage says

      May 10, 2016 at 11:44 pm

      I think we already know that most Muslims are fine with the slaughter of Infidel children–no sleight of hand is needed.

      • Mark Swan says

        May 11, 2016 at 7:19 am

        Yes, that, Appears Obvious, doesn’t it.

  22. Jay Boo says

    May 10, 2016 at 7:07 am

    Muslims
    Time to wax and polish Islam with PBUH wax.

  23. Jay Boo says

    May 10, 2016 at 7:11 am

    RUTGERS UNIVERISTY

    Time for a photo display.
    Students, don’t forget to bring your Qur’an dart boards.

  24. Jay Boo says

    May 10, 2016 at 9:07 am

    Cover Photo — The ‘Glory’ of Islam

    Three Muslim men armed only with fully loaded AK47’s manage to defend Allah and subdue an infidel child.

    • Mark Swan says

      May 11, 2016 at 7:16 am

      Those Monsters, Pointing Those Cursed Rifles, In The Face Of That Sweet Baby.

      What a poster angainst evel that is.

  25. Stephen says

    May 10, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    To call these Mohammaden scum evil, savage, barbaric, monstrous or worse seems to be complementary to them. I don’t believe there is a word in any language sufficient to describe them except to say they are completely Satanic and will not stop until the human race is annihilated.

    No longer decieve yourself this is precisely why Rushdie called the Koran satanic and St. Thomas Aquinas concluded those who follow the Koran cannot co-exist with a civilized society because the Koran is anti-civilization. These atrocities against God first and then all of humanity second are taught by the Koran, period. Every politician throughtout the world is guilty of the Satanic sin of treason who do not stand up to this Satanic religion and that means demon Barack Obama first and foremost.

    We must drive them out before they drive us and our children (see above photos) out. There is a reason Christ refused to dialogue with devils, both types, fallen angels as well as humans, see Herod! Dialogue and you die! The above article is a call to Action not Dialogue! Evil prospers when good men do nothing, I.e., become evil. Think about it.

  26. Lesley says

    May 10, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    Evil acts– especially evil acts committed against children, grow and fester in the dark.

    I wish there was a way to hijack the main stream media and disseminate this information to a wider audience.

    If anyone has ties to hacker groups like anonymous… They should plan momentary takeovers of fox news or CNN to spread this information.

    One of the problems with the counter-jihad resistance is that we’re all too nice and too fair minded. We could use a few bold members on our side who know how to fight dirty and aren’t afraid to do so.

    I think a brilliant way to do so would be to interrupt our regularly scheduled programming to bombard the masses with these uncomfortable truths…

    • Peggy says

      May 10, 2016 at 9:54 pm

      That would be fantastic.
      Surely there are smart hackers out there who could do this. If they visit this site let’s hope they take up the fight.

      • marc says

        May 10, 2016 at 10:07 pm

        Sadly, anonymous has mostly fallen for its all the joooz and the 1% who cause all deaths, they swallowed the palastinian genocide hoax, they spend a large amount of their effort on their campaigns like #opisrael where they hack any israeli owned website (anything.il). I Have worked in IT security for about 20 years, all the right thinking folk with the skills and know of the ongoing genocide of the ME indigenous Christians, just don’t break the law, and hacking is illegal, if caught doing what you suggest, I’d face years to decades jailed.
        https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r has the resources, and does have an impact, but only targets the bad guys themselves.

        • Lesley says

          May 11, 2016 at 5:01 am

          Wow, that is really interesting, Marc. I appreciate your expert input.

          Yes, even if I had the know how, there’s too much tell-the-truth-and-do-right in me as well (which I count as a good thing, but wow I get sick of the dirty tactics that enable the stealth jihad).

    • gravenimage says

      May 10, 2016 at 11:46 pm

      We can get the word out ourselves–we don’t need to shut down the freedom of speech of others to do it.

  27. Peggy says

    May 10, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    Angemon says

    May 10, 2016 at 3:29 pm

    Is he right? Can you prove that the West fully backs what’s happening? Of course you can’t. That, however, won’t stop you from saying so.
    =============================
    You have a serious problem Angemon if you truly belive what you just wrote? The proof is all around you. Even on this site you can see proof everywhere that west supports these monsters and covers up for them.
    Can’t you see that you are getting more and more irrational?
    You claim that I am a liar and I have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to you. No, I am fed up with you but that’s because you are the one who has pushed it from the beginning. You argue every little point and demand answers and when you do get some you keep thinking up more and more questions. It’s never ending.
    Most rational people might just write back once disagreeing but you latch on to something and makes a person regret ever answering you.
    If you wish to continue making a fool of youself, go ahead.
    You know, we don’t all have to agree with you. You would make an excellent dictatorl.;

    • Angemon says

      May 10, 2016 at 8:19 pm

      Peggy posted:

      “You have a serious problem Angemon if you truly belive what you just wrote?”

      *yawn*

      More personal attacks from you? I’m shocked – SHOCKED!!!

      “The proof is all around you. Even on this site you can see proof everywhere that west supports these monsters and covers up for them.”

      Apparently, the proof is so plentiful you can’t point to a single damning piece…

      “You claim that I am a liar”

      Which you are.

      “and I have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to you.”

      Which you do.

      “No, I am fed up with you but that’s because you are the one who has pushed it from the beginning.”

      Says the person who barged in to tell everyone how much of a terrible person I am, and, instead of backing her post, is desperately engaging in petty personal attacks.

      “You argue every little point”

      I don’t – I’ve let you get away with a lot. Maybe I should stop treating you with kid’s gloves then.

      “and demand answers and when you do get some”

      Right, because saying “The proof is all around you” apparently counts as an answer…

      “you keep thinking up more and more questions. It’s never ending.”

      What would you say if I said “what you just wrote is absolutely wrong and the proof of that is all around you”? Would you accept it and move on your merry way?

      “Most rational people might just write back once disagreeing”

      Funny coming from you.

      “but you latch on to something and makes a person regret ever answering you.”

      Again, funny coming from you. Plus, you didn’t come here to answer me, you came here to lie about me and tell everyone how much of a big meanie I am.

      “If you wish to continue making a fool of youself, go ahead.”

      Petty snark won’t hide the fact that you’re refusing to back what you wrote – can you prove that the West fully backs what’s happening? You can’t, hence the petty personal attacks.

      “You know, we don’t all have to agree with you. You would make an excellent dictatorl.”

      I don’t doubt you know a thing or two about dictatorships seeing how not only you fully endorse Putin but also never saw a criticism of him or Russia you didn’t immediately tried to stifle. But the truth of the matter is that I’ve had arguments – civil, some long, others short – with other users here where we agreed to disagree and each go our own way. There are, however, some issues where I won’t back down. I won’t excuse totalitarian regimes. I won’t excuse trolls who lie about me or my culture. You

      Ever the crybully, aren’t you? You barged in, insulted me, lied about me and now you’re trying to play the victim. You go out of your way to avoid having a civilized discourse and you want others to pity you? Pathetic.

      Anyway, back to the matter at hand: can you prove that the West fully backs what’s happening? Because I sure as hell can’t. I distinctly remember huge manifestations all over Europe against the war in Syria. Many thousands hitting the streets to say they wanted no part of it. But apparently asking you to back your claim is “having a problem” while acting like such manifestations never took place is the sign of a clear mind.

    • Angemon says

      May 10, 2016 at 9:38 pm

      You would make an excellent dictatorl.;

      Be honest: which of us told the other “shut up you’re in the minority” and “someone should put you into your place”? Because I don’t remember ever having said that to you. You say I’d make an excellent dictator because I refuse to take nonsense for an answer? What would your thuggery make you excellent at? C’mon, point your oh-so-insightful! gaze to yourself – “first take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye”.

    • gravenimage says

      May 11, 2016 at 12:26 am

      Peggy wrote, replying to Angemon:

      Even on this site you can see proof everywhere that west supports these monsters and covers up for them.
      …………………………

      Peggy, Jihad Watch is part of the West. Robert Spencer is a Westerner, as are the majority of people at Jihad Watch.

      There are many other Anti-Jihadists in the West–including Robert’s colleague Pamela Geller.

      You *yourself*, as an Australian citizen, are a Westerner.

      More:

      You would make an excellent dictatorl. (sic)
      …………………………

      Replying to posters and asking for clarification–even if you believe it is not needed in these instances–are not the actions of a dictator.

      This is an implication that Angemon is somehow preventing your exercise of freedom of speech–which is not the case at all.

      • Peggy says

        May 11, 2016 at 1:15 am

        The west is way bigger thatn JW. JW is a very small resistance site compared to what the west actually is. This means MSM, government, education system, banking system and the rest of the establishment. Just because JW is set up int he west doesn’t mean that it actually represents the west. JW represents decency, truth and integrity which is a rarety in the west these days.
        We here in Austrlia have the Q Society of Australia which is wonderful and some minor parties but again they are the exception not the norm.
        There are countless examples of how the powers which actually have control in the west are aiding IS and covering up for them. Let’s not shut our eyes to the truth just because there is a resistance like JW. They are a lot more powerful.
        I have said it on many occasions that I don’t include the population as the west but rather the bodies I have mentioned before.
        Angemon keeps up with more and more questioning even when I have given him my replies. I can’t reply to every little thing he requests. Have you noticed the size of his replies? He argues the same thing over and over even when he knows I or someone else won’t change their stance like he is trying to wear us down. It feels like bullying and not necessary. I don’t owe him any justification for my posts. Do you ever have anyone on your back so much that you feel like you need to justify everything you write to the same person over and over? It’s obsessive.
        I am sure there are others here who don’t share my views but they don’t suffocate me. Maybe if you experience this level of scrutiny just for the same of finding something, anything to discredit your views you might understand the frustration.

        Do you actually agree with his methods?

        • Angemon says

          May 11, 2016 at 9:15 am

          Peggy posted:

          “Angemon keeps up with more and more questioning even when I have given him my replies.”

          Because more info is needed. If you, for example say that you can “deport” native citizens I’ll ask you how you plan on doing it. If you tell me you can create laws to do so I’ll ask you if you know your constitution and your lawmaking process. If you have a problem with me asking you something that basic that’ll you *will* be asked if you try to start a grassroot movement with the aim of making laws to “deport” native citizens, then the problem isn’t in my end, is it? What are you going to do, complain that the Constitutional Court Judges are asking you questions?

          “ I can’t reply to every little thing he requests.”

          Nor the big things. If you can’t answer basic questions regarding the ideas you’re espousing then the fault does not lie with me, does it?

          “ Have you noticed the size of his replies? He argues the same thing over and over even when he knows I or someone else won’t change their stance like he is trying to wear us down. ”

          OK, this is both hilarious and sad at the same time. How many long-winded posts have you dedicated to explaining, in lavish detail, how I’m a terrible person because I ask you things and write long posts? Latching on to people, expecting them to validate your claim? When you start to sound like a cartoon character maybe it’s time to stop and think for a bit:

          http://assets.amuniversal.com/b6729150539f01315e35001dd8b71c47

          If you put half the effort you place into complaining about me asking you stuff into actually answering what I ask you, things would much quicker and smoother.

          “ It feels like bullying and not necessary.”

          Oh, I’m so sorry! I didn’t know I was hurting your precious little feelings! You know what feels like actual, genuine bullying? The kind of answers you make – “you’re in the minority, shut up”. “Someone should put you into your place”. You crybully. Do you see me moping around the corners and telling my sob story to everyone, trying to gather sympathy?

          “I don’t owe him any justification for my posts. Do you ever have anyone on your back so much that you feel like you need to justify everything you write to the same person over and over?”

          Talk about a mixed message…

          “It’s obsessive.”

          If you say so, Dr. Hack McQuack.

          “Do you actually agree with his methods?”

          Worry not about the shape, focus on the content.

        • gravenimage says

          May 11, 2016 at 5:14 pm

          Peggy wrote:

          The west is way bigger thatn JW. JW is a very small resistance site compared to what the west actually is. This means MSM, government, education system, banking system and the rest of the establishment.
          ………………………………

          Thanks for the reply, Peggy.

          Of course the West is bigger than Jihad Watch–and bigger than the Counter Jihad in toto–I never implied otherwise.

          More:

          Just because JW is set up int he west doesn’t mean that it actually represents the west. JW represents decency, truth and integrity which is a rarety in the west these days.
          ………………………………

          There is nothing more Western than defending Western values of human decency and freedom, which is exactly what JIhad Watch does.

          More:

          We here in Austrlia have the Q Society of Australia which is wonderful and some minor parties but again they are the exception not the norm.
          ………………………………

          Yes–everything I’ve heard about the Q Society is excellent.

          And the tide does appear to be turning in Australia when it comes to resisting the influx of the invading Muslim hordes–I hope other Western nations follow her example.

          There are also “Reclaim Australia” rallies, which sound very promising.

          Of course, there is still a lot of dhimmitude there–things never change all at once. But recent signs are positive.

          As fellow Aussie Dumbledore’s Army says, get out and *push*.

          More:

          There are countless examples of how the powers which actually have control in the west are aiding IS and covering up for them. Let’s not shut our eyes to the truth just because there is a resistance like JW. They are a lot more powerful.

          I have said it on many occasions that I don’t include the population as the west but rather the bodies I have mentioned before.
          ………………………………

          It is not just official bodies that are in willful denial about Islam–quite a few ordinary people are, as well. That’s why we can’t rest, but have to keep up efforts to educate about the Jihad threat.

          But the idea that most Western “elites” are *deliberately* enabling Islam with a view to its taking over here is misguided. Most enablers of Islam are desperately trying to regard ravening Muslims as just ordinary people.

          This is terribly dangerous, but it is *not* the same thing as understanding Shari’ah and approving of its imposition.

          More:

          Angemon keeps up with more and more questioning even when I have given him my replies. I can’t reply to every little thing he requests. Have you noticed the size of his replies?…
          ………………………………

          You can reply to Angemon or not, as you so please. If you believe he has somehow violated Jihad Watch rules, you can take it up with Robert Spencer or Marc Louis.

          Peggy, you often reply to my comments, frequently quite critically. I have never suggested–or so much as thought–that you should not be able to.

          More:

          He argues the same thing over and over even when he knows I or someone else won’t change their stance like he is trying to wear us down.
          ………………………………

          Probably not. When someone is clearly fixed in their views, the point of countering them is often intended for third-party readers as much as to change the mind of the poster addressed.

          Of course, I do not intend to speak for Angemon here.

          More:

          It feels like bullying and not necessary. I don’t owe him any justification for my posts.
          ………………………………

          I know you have often sneered at Western freedoms, but this sort of give-and-take is part of that. Unless there are threats–and I do not believe there ever have been–then replying to a person’s comments is not bullying.

          But of course you do not have to justify yourself to Angemon, myself, or anyone else here. You can ignore anyone’s comments if you so desire.

          More:

          I am sure there are others here who don’t share my views but they don’t suffocate me. Maybe if you experience this level of scrutiny just for the same of finding something, anything to discredit your views you might understand the frustration.

          Do you actually agree with his methods?
          ………………………………

          There are people–both here and on other sites–who do not agree with me in one way or another.

          Of course I do find this frustrating at times–that is human nature. But except in the case of threats–again, not an issue here–I always acknowledge that everyone has a right to disagree with me and my ideas, and to openly challenge mine.

          I have found, in fact, that onerous as this can be in the moment, that it has at times challenged me to reexamine my ideas, to reassess at times, and to defend them logically when I believe they are sound.

        • Angemon says

          May 11, 2016 at 8:37 pm

          gravenimage posted:

          “When someone is clearly fixed in their views, the point of countering them is often intended for third-party readers as much as to change the mind of the poster addressed.”

          Indeed, I’ve stated that on several occasions. It, depending on the other party, can also be a bit of a workout for the old ‘noggin.

        • gravenimage says

          May 12, 2016 at 5:34 pm

          Agreed.

        • marc says

          May 12, 2016 at 5:44 pm

          Yep, something I can agree on, I’d like to remind you all that a healthy forum such as this would only exist in our western civilisation.

      • Peggy says

        May 11, 2016 at 9:46 am

        Graven, has Angemon become your mouthpiece? I think you can see now that he cannot stop. This conversation was supposed to be between us.
        Anyway, If you still aren’t convinced that the west (again all those bodies I mentioned because it’s easier to say the west than go through them all) is not doing most damage and therefore needs to be our priority in stopping take a look at this.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faUf9KhJofU

        Has anyone Russia has a relationship with done this much damage to the world?

        • Angemon says

          May 11, 2016 at 10:05 am

          Peggy posted:

          “Graven, has Angemon become your mouthpiece?”

          Did I ever claim to be?

          “I think you can see now that he cannot stop.”

          Yes, f*** my right of response – if I don’t let you get away with insulting me and lying about me then I “cannot stop”.

          “This conversation was supposed to be between us.”

          Public. Forum. You want to have a conversation just between the two of you? Talk on another medium. And for someone whose flagship is “Angemon just can’t stop”, you’re certainly going out of your way to not let the issue die. Dual standards much?

          Like I said, when you start to sound a cartoon character, maybe it’s time to stop and think for a bit:

          http://assets.amuniversal.com/b6729150539f01315e35001dd8b71c47

          Because latching on to others and hammering them over and over, trying to force them to validate what you say, while you whining that someone else is hammering you over and over, doesn’t bode well for you.

        • gravenimage says

          May 11, 2016 at 6:41 pm

          Peggy wrote:

          Graven, has Angemon become your mouthpiece? I think you can see now that he cannot stop. This conversation was supposed to be between us.
          ……………………………

          Peggy, of course Angemon is not my “mouthpiece”–I have no mouthpiece–though I do respect his comments. I also disagree with him on a few points from time to time.

          And there are no private conversations here on Jihad Watch–by its very nature, anyone may comment.

          More:

          Anyway, If you still aren’t convinced that the west (again all those bodies I mentioned because it’s easier to say the west than go through them all) is not doing most damage and therefore needs to be our priority in stopping take a look at this.
          ……………………………

          I believe Islam is the main thing that needs to be stopped.

          When Western bodies, individuals, or non-Western bodies or individuals enable Islam–for whatever reason–that also becomes an issue for us.

          More:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faUf9KhJofU
          ……………………………

          I am not that familiar with Alex Jones. I don’t know that I’m all that interested in a feud between him and Glenn Beck. I’m not an uncritical fan of Beck, and find some of his ideas loony–but the idea that he is the “devil” seems rather off base. Nor do I believe he is a “body snatcher”.

          I certainly agree with Alex Jones that the influx of Muslims here is a terrible threat–but his dubious accusations that the powers-that-be are deliberately importing Muslims with the express aim of enabling a Sunni takeover makes less sense.

          Many of our politicians are still hazy on what the Sunni/Shi’ite split actually is–that idea that they have decided on theologically backing the Sunnis is implausible at best.

          The idea that our government is running Al Qaida is conspiracy-theory stuff, as well. We have not done nearly enough to consistently counter JIhad terror, but to say that we are actually running Jihad terror groups is ridiculous.

          This is, though I doubt he realizes it, exactly what Taqiyya-spewing Muslims claim–that it was the US government that was responsible for 9/11.

          A more minor point, but he is also incorrect in believing that Islam was benign a thousand years ago. He might want to study the plight of dhimmis conquered by Islam. He and his partner–I didn’t get his name–also seem rather confused as to what the books of Islam are comprised of.

          The reference to “Bill something” was probably Bill Warner, who is indeed a fine Anti-Jihadist. (yes–his partner confirms this later in the video).

          Incidentally, Glenn Beck has been quite critical of JIhad terrorism, as well, and has noted that JIhad is traditional Islam.

          All in all, Alex Jones is an Anti-Jihadist, and is using his platform to warn people about Islam–a good thing.

          But he has great gaps in his knowledge–and if his unsubstantiated claims that the US government runs Al Qaida were intended to convince, then I regret to tell you that I would, unlike Mr. Jones, actually need some proof.

          More:

          Has anyone Russia has a relationship with done this much damage to the world?
          ……………………………

          If, like Alex Jones,I actually believed that the US government is running Al Qaida, then I would have no problem with whole-heartedly agreeing with you.

          I must say that I consider this “Truther” nonsense, however.

          I have never, incidentally, said that Russia is worse than the West when it comes to cluelessly enabling Islam–just that they are both making many of the same mistakes–including pandering to Muslims, whitewashing Islam, and playing short-sighted realpolitik while aqll too often ignoring the Jihad threat.

  28. Peggy says

    May 10, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    DFD says

    May 10, 2016 at 1:12 pm

    Lanya LaPunta says: “…Rather, we should be praying for God to SAVE the West, from the evils of mohammedanism….”

    Indeed dear Lady, indeed. I fully concur.
    =======================
    I pray that God saves the west too but not just from Islam but from themselves.
    God helps those who help themselves and so far I don’t see any evidence of that. Maybe once Trump is elected and give some power back to the people.

  29. More Ham Ed says

    May 11, 2016 at 12:05 am

    The Religion of Pieces.
    28326 deadly ISLAMIC terror attacks since 9/11.
    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

  30. Peggy says

    May 11, 2016 at 1:03 am

    marc says

    May 10, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    Christianblood, I can hear you’re frustrated, but that does not give you some privilege to spam and generally mess up the threads here, quality not quantity please.
    ==========================
    Interesting choice of words ‘spam’.
    I would love to know what exactly do you consider to be spam.
    If you want quality instead of quality then you really need to look at Angemon’s replies which are more like novels and take people into directions their posts weren’t even going thus producing a dialogue on a subject not even talked about. I wouldn;t exactly call them quality but then you most likely have a different opinion.

    • marc says

      May 11, 2016 at 1:16 am

      spam, posting large numbers of irrelevant posts and links, I’m not going to argue with you, and I’m not taking sides here, or going to argue the subject here, but i did see a long string of what I consider spam, I belive posted in frustration, and I gave what I consider a suitable warning seeing as CB signed up with a fake email, I needed to post it here. If you have another understanding of what spam is, I am really not interested.

      • Peggy says

        May 11, 2016 at 1:40 am

        That wasn’t an argument. That was a question and my opinion on something else.

    • Angemon says

      May 11, 2016 at 9:12 am

      Peggy posted:

      “If you want quality instead of quality then you really need to look at Angemon’s replies”

      Keyword here being “replies”. BTW, didn’t you say “One doesn’t excuse the other”? Back-pedal much?

      “which are more like novels”

      Whoa, you really have a short attention span, don’t you? Never mind that I quote what I’m replying to, it’s just that my replies are “novels”. It seems it’s all about form over content with you…

      “and take people into directions their posts weren’t even going thus producing a dialogue on a subject not even talked about.”

      Which would, at worse, make them off-topic. But it seems you don’t know how conversations work in the real world – you start talking about one thing and end up talking about something else.

      “I wouldn;t exactly call them quality”

      You, according to your own words, don’t even read most of them. Bias much?

      • Peggy says

        May 11, 2016 at 9:42 am

        Oh for God’s sake give it a rest.
        Do you know when to call it quits?

        • Angemon says

          May 11, 2016 at 9:58 am

          I get it, Peggy – according to your logic I’m not supposed to reply to you when you make slanderous, false statements about me, right of response be damned…

  31. Peggy says

    May 11, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    Angemon says

    May 11, 2016 at 9:58 am

    I get it, Peggy – according to your logic I’m not supposed to reply to you when you make slanderous, false statements about me, right of response be damned…
    ===================
    No, you don’t get it. I simply don’t want to discuss this any longer with you.
    If you have a job then you would have taken part in anti bullying seminar. Did you not pay attention when they discussed the part when you are asked to leave something or someone alone and you ignore it and keep going it’s harassment or bullying.
    I have asked you quite a while ago, and politely too to just ignore my posts and I would yours but you kept going and now you wonder why I get abrupt with you.
    You keep making all these assumptions and present them as fact. So fine, let’s end this.
    Reply to this and have your last say and let’s just agree not to keep going in circles any longer.

    • gravenimage says

      May 11, 2016 at 6:49 pm

      Peggy wrote:

      Did you not pay attention when they discussed the part when you are asked to leave something or someone alone and you ignore it and keep going it’s harassment or bullying.
      ……………………………

      Peggy–with all respect–were this always the case then we would not be allowed to speak out about the threat of Islam at all, since Muslims have made it quite clear that they do not want us to be able to discuss this.

      • Peggy says

        May 11, 2016 at 7:38 pm

        I have no problem discussing even when we dissagree. I don’t always agree with you but you reply with courtesy and your approach is civil. Perfect example is Alex Jones clip. I have watched many of his clips as I have Michael Savage’s clips and what I get out of that is obviously a different message to what you get. That doesn’t mean that I have to now grill you so much and pick everything you say apart and make you justify your views.
        We may both watch the same video or read the same article but we both might get similar or different views at the end of them.
        I am quite sure that you have seen me disagree with some of the posts here too and others disagree with me and I haven’t had the same response to them or they to me like the situation with Angemon.
        So two people can grind at each other sometimes and the best thing to do is to just give each other space which I have tried quite a while ago but he won’t respect that.
        He has many other peope here to debate with as do I and as a matter of decency when you see that all ou do is frustrate someone you stop when asked.

        I haven’t asked anyone else to drop it so I am not against a discussion. I have discussion with you but I don’t get frustrated with you even if we disasgree. There is a right way and a wrong way to approach someone and the right way is to do it with common courtesy.
        I hope you understand my feelings on this.

        • Angemon says

          May 11, 2016 at 8:40 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “I am quite sure that you have seen me disagree with some of the posts here too and others disagree with me and I haven’t had the same response to them or they to me like the situation with Angemon.”

          Probably no one else called you on your nonsense regarding Putin. How you manage to say that he isn’t rabidly anti-West is beyond me…

          “So two people can grind at each other sometimes and the best thing to do is to just give each other space which I have tried quite a while ago but he won’t respect that.”

          Well, this is rich, considering that you, on several occasions, have gone well out of your way to rant about my alleged hatred of Russia and claim that I always try to blame Russia for everything or say that Russia is worse than the West, regardless of whether or not I replied to you or of what I actually said. Dual standards much?

          Do you have some sort of condition where you can’t describe reality accurately? Or are you simply trying to carry on masquerading as victim?

          “He has many other peope here to debate with as do I and as a matter of decency when you see that all ou do is frustrate someone you stop when asked.”

          You? Decency? That’ll be the day… And, of course, the only one stopping would be me – I don’t see you stop talking about me. I do see, whoever, you trying to excuse yourself from the consequences of your s***posting by claiming “I’ve told you to stop replying to me”. That’s not how things work. If you want a safe space go to college.

          “I haven’t asked anyone else to drop it so I am not against a discussion.”

          Depends on the subject.

          “There is a right way and a wrong way to approach someone and the right way is to do it with common courtesy.”

          I approach you with the same courtesy you’ve always shown me. The fact that you’re still latching on to GI, looking for validation while pretending to be the victim, tells more about you than you’d like to let out.

    • Angemon says

      May 11, 2016 at 8:36 pm

      Peggy posted:

      “No, you don’t get it.”

      I do get it, Peggy. You want to be free to say whatever you want about me, order me to shut up or even making veiled threats while claiming I’d make a great dictator but the moment I rebut what you say you start complaining that I’m replying to you, that I’m writing longs posts, etc. You’re a crybully, plain and simple.

      “If you have a job then you would have taken part in anti bullying seminar. Did you not pay attention when they discussed the part when you are asked to leave something or someone alone and you ignore it and keep going it’s harassment or bullying.”

      And here is the crybullying. Again: Public. Forum. You’re posting on a website where everyone can see what you post and react to it. The bully here is you, since you seem to be under the impression you can dictate what I – or others – can reply to or not. Also, for the record, I’ve held jobs where if I were told to go away and I *did*, I’d be doing a terrible job and undoubtedly be a just cause for terminating my contract. You keep using the word “bullying” – I don’t think it means what you think it does…

      “I have asked you quite a while ago, and politely too to just ignore my posts and I would yours”

      Again: why should I ignore when you go out of your way to defame me? You lie about me and you have the cheek to say I’m supposed to ignore it because you asked me to? That’s not how things work. Plus, if you’re not ignoring my posts why should I ignore yours?

      “but you kept going and now you wonder why I get abrupt with you.”

      You get abrupt with me because you can’t stand dissident thought. Things *have* to be as you say, and anyone who deviates from the party line gets petty snark or, as in my case, gets told to “shut up” (because I’m in the minority, right?) or that I need to be put in my place. That’s clear cut totalitarianism.

      You claim I can’t stand people who think differently? That’s wrong. Arguing a point with someone is NOT being unable to stand different thoughts. Telling someone to shut up because you don’t like what they’re saying IS.

      “You keep making all these assumptions and present them as fact.”

      This coming from the person who a few sentences ago assumed I’ve taken part in an anti-bullying seminar, going as far as to assert – not speculate, assert as in “they discussed such and such and you didn’t pay attention” – what was discussed there as well as my reaction. Projection, thy name is Peggy! Anyway, what assumptions did I allegedly made and presented as fact?I’m asking because you claimed you don’t read most of what I post (or something along those lines; I don’t recall your exact words).

  32. Peggy says

    May 11, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    I approach you with the same courtesy you’ve always shown me. The fact that you’re still latching on to GI, looking for validation while pretending to be the victim, tells more about you than you’d like to let out.
    ==================
    Hey I was not rude to you for some time when you approached me in a manner less than courteous. I did in the end treat you the same way so don’t come here pretending I started this whole hostility.
    ————————————————

    Then you say:

    The fact that you’re still latching on to GI, looking for validation while pretending to be the victim, tells more about you than you’d like to let out.

    See how you just make your own world around you and state it as fact.
    I wash’t looking for validation from GI. I was explaining things to her but it seems that when i try to explain my position on something she has brought up with me you get upset and have to write not one but 2 replies.
    If GI didn’t want to discuss this with me she wouldn’t have brought it up.
    I am not expecting anything from her but I do have the right to put my reasons for the way I feel when approached about it. Should I have not replied to her because you feel upset or threatened that maybe I will get your friend to change her mind about you? Don’t worry. I can’t see GI doing that. That is not my goal nor do I see her being influenced by anyone. It’s a credit to her that her approach can’t be changed to suit yours.

    • Angemon says

      May 12, 2016 at 9:13 am

      Peggy posted:

      “Hey I was not rude to you for some time when you approached me in a manner less than courteous. I did in the end treat you the same way so don’t come here pretending I started this whole hostility.”

      BS.

      “Then you say:

      The fact that you’re still latching on to GI, looking for validation while pretending to be the victim, tells more about you than you’d like to let out.

      See how you just make your own world around you and state it as fact.
      I wash’t looking for validation from GI. I was explaining things to her
      ”

      More BS. You’re nagging her, going on and on asking “don’t you think what he’s doing is wrong? do you agree with his methods? I’m the victim here, you see?”. You won’t give up until you get her to agree with you, which is exactly what you’ve been accusing me of doing.

      “If GI didn’t want to discuss this with me she wouldn’t have brought it up.”

      Let’s see: your post on May 11, 2016 at 1:03 am is about me. And, when I replied to that, you went:

      Oh for God’s sake give it a rest.
      Do you know when to call it quits?

      I can imagine your reaction if I had replied to you something along those lines – “if you don’t want me to respond then don ‘t bring me up”. I’d never hear the end of your fake outrage.

      What GI wrote:

      This is an implication that Angemon is somehow preventing your exercise of freedom of speech–which is not the case at all.

      She wrote that as a reply to something you wrote me – and, in a sheer display of hypocrisy, you didn’t went “No, that was for Angemon, please don’t reply when I’m addressing someone else”. That particular line of though is reserved for me alone – I can’t reply to you when you’re addressing someone else but others can. Funny how that works…

      Anyway, from there on you latched on to her, always playing the victim, always trying to get a condemnation of me out of her. “Do you see the size of his replies? Do you agree with his methods?”. You’re not explaining anything, you’re looking for validation. “Yes, I see the size of his replies. No, I don’t agree with his methods”, and you won’t rest until you get it so next time you can play the numbers gama – again.

      “I am not expecting anything from her but I do have the right to put my reasons for the way I feel when approached about it. ”

      Which would be a fair point if you weren’t framing your “explanation” in shady terms careful crafted to extract a condemnation out of her. “Do you agree with his methods?”, etc.

      “Should I have not replied to her because you feel upset or threatened that maybe I will get your friend to change her mind about you? ”

      Your words, not mine. Anyway, as I explained above, you shouldn’t have replied to her to begin with if you were to apply your rules consistently – when I reply to something you write to someone else it’s “I’m not addressing you so don’t reply to me”. Dual standards much?

      “ It’s a credit to her that her approach can’t be changed to suit yours.”

      Again with ascribing me falsehoods. When did I ever tried to change GI’s approach? Never, that’s when. And it’s even more egregious coming from someone who accused me of “making my own world around me and stating it as fact”.

      If you put 1/10th of the effort you devote to act in authoritarian leftist fashion denouncing, deriding, slandering and lying about me to into making a cogent, coherent argument, things would go much smoother and quicker.

  33. gravenimage says

    May 12, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    No, Angemon has never tried to get me to change my approach–certainly not that I’ve ever seen.

    • Peggy says

      May 12, 2016 at 6:47 pm

      Now I’m confused as to why you wrote this. When did I say that he tried to have you change your approach? I remember asking a little while back if you agree with his approach but I never said that he tried to get you to change your approach.

      • Angemon says

        May 12, 2016 at 7:54 pm

        Now you’re conflating two different issues.

        • Peggy says

          May 12, 2016 at 8:31 pm

          I am asking GI since she is the one who said it. Why to you feel the need to answer for her?

        • Angemon says

          May 12, 2016 at 8:48 pm

          a) why the dual standards? You’ve shown several times you only get butthurt when I reply to you – you certainly didn’t see fit to make that same argument with GI when she replied to something you directed at me.

          b) As it should be painfully obvious, I’m not replying for her. I’m addressing you on something you said. You’re conflating two different issues. Did I say I was replying for her? No, I didn’t. Why, then, did you felt the need to mischaracterize my post by ascribing me something that’s clearly false? I get it – you have my guts and take any opportunity you have to try to denigrate me, no matter how petty and childish you might appear. But you’re still conflating two different issues, and lying about me won’t change it.

      • gravenimage says

        May 12, 2016 at 10:58 pm

        Peggy wrote:

        Now I’m confused as to why you wrote this. When did I say that he tried to have you change your approach? I remember asking a little while back if you agree with his approach but I never said that he tried to get you to change your approach.
        ……………………………….

        Peggy, when you wrote:

        “Should I have not replied to her because you feel upset or threatened that maybe I will get your friend to change her mind about you? Don’t worry. I can’t see GI doing that. That is not my goal nor do I see her being influenced by anyone. It’s a credit to her that her approach can’t be changed to suit yours.”

        I read that as your saying that Angemon was trying to get me to change my approach. I may have misinterpreted what you were trying to say–sorry if that is the case.

        At this point this thread has gone so far off the terrible story above that unless something unusual comes up I will probably move on to other stories.

        Be well all.

  34. Peggy says

    May 12, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    Angemon, are you on something?

    • Angemon says

      May 12, 2016 at 10:31 pm

      This coming from the person who accuses me of trying to start arguments. Tsk tsk…

  35. Peggy says

    May 12, 2016 at 10:29 pm

    Angemon, GI made a statement and I needed her to clarify it for me, that’s all. Your two cents worth had nothing to do with what I asked her.
    You have to be on something because you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
    The reason I don’t speak to GI the way I do you is becaue she is not silly and her approach is civil.
    You simply don’t deserve a civil response when you are unable to be civil yourself.

    • Angemon says

      May 12, 2016 at 10:38 pm

      Peggy posted:

      “Angemon, GI made a statement and I needed her to clarify it for me, that’s all. Your two cents worth had nothing to do with what I asked her.”

      The Oracle has spoken! Do not question the Oracle!

      “You have to be on something because you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.”

      Arguing with whom?

      “The reason I don’t speak to GI the way I do you is becaue she is not silly and her approach is civil.”

      Like I said, I approach you with the same kindness you approach me. Well, that’s not entirely true – I’m far more kind approaching you than you are approaching me. For example, I never went out of my way to randomly talk about you in a topic.

      “You simply don’t deserve a civil response when you are unable to be civil yourself.”

      So this is your new shtick now? “You brought it on yourself”? Really? So you insult me, lie about me, defame and slander me, and when you (rightfully) get flak for it you think you can excuse yourself with “well, you’re not civil therefore I’m not going to be civil with you”?

      And you accuse *me* of being on something. Tsk tsk…

      • Avenger says

        May 15, 2016 at 10:31 pm

        You’ve watched old Star Trek reruns way too many times Angemon. Don’t use my alter handle anymore please. The Oracle

        Did you happen to open up the video of Senator Dick Black discussing America’s involvement with ISIS in the Middle East? If so, how can you keep thrashing CB for his disgust of Western governments, especially the US, for their role in aiding and abetting the Sunni dominance of the Middle East, North Africa and Europe? You should welcome Christianbloods criticism of the West, it sure has made me and others at JW dig deeper into the wickedness of the Wests marriage for money to the ME oil states.
        To sum it up, allow Christianblood too keep hammering away at the cesspool created by politicians being bought and sold by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, and Turk bribe money.

        • Angemon says

          May 16, 2016 at 7:29 am

          Avenger posted:

          “Don’t use my alter handle anymore please. The Oracle”

          You mean, the one you adopted to address me and me alone after I wrote, replying to you, “The Oracle has spoken! Do not question The Oracle”? No, thanks, I’ll keep using that expression as often as I damn well please. If you want to pretend I’m talking to or about you, go ahead. Just don’t expect to be taken seriously.

          “ You should welcome Christianbloods criticism of the West”

          You mean his insane and unsubstantiated claims, like that 99% of the West hates Christianity and loves islam? Anyway, no one was talking about CB, so hush, little one.

          “ it sure has made me and others at JW ”

          “Others”, eh? Citation needed. Or are you talking about the rest of your little troll circle?

        • Avenger says

          May 16, 2016 at 9:34 pm

          Angemon, I was just kidding on the oracle thing but being a treky you took it wrong.
          You also didn’t answer my question about if you had viewed the Senator Black interview.
          You probably have but you know that speaking about it would make your existence as a EU troll look even shallower than it is now.
          Within decades, spineless west Europeans like yourself will be begging Moscow to occupy your cities with tanks to keep your heads from being kicked around like a soccer ball. The Oracle

        • Angemon says

          May 17, 2016 at 8:28 am

          Avenger posted:

          “You also didn’t answer my question about if you had viewed the Senator Black interview.”

          I have no idea of what interview you’re talking about but, seeing as you’re a paid Russian troll, I’m going to go on a limb and say it’s something out of Russia Today, one of Moscow’s propaganda outlets. Am I right?

          Also, you didn’t answer my question about who were those “others at JW” you’re supposedly representing. Plank, eye, speck, etc.

          “your existence as a EU troll ”

          There’s no such thing as “EU trolls”. At least not in the sense there are Russian trolls paid to spread anti-Western, pro-Russian propaganda in European and US forums. Like you and CB, for example.

          http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house

          http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/documents-show-how-russias-troll-army-hit-america

          You (plural) are easy to spot, you know? And it’s not just about the basic English mistakes, it’s that you just can’t stop praising Russia and/or hide the disgust and hatred you feel for Americans and your neighbours to the West to save your lives. I could point out the instances where you tried to ascertain my nationality and made sneering comments about the heads of European nations in the process but why bother when you provide a perfectly valid demonstration here:

          “Within decades, spineless west Europeans like yourself will be begging Moscow to occupy your cities with tanks to keep your heads from being kicked around like a soccer ball.”

          Awwww, what’s the matter snowflake? Cranky because the vodka ran out? Within decades Moscow will be too busy trying to fight off the Caucasus Emirate to invade anyone.

  36. Cynic says

    May 15, 2016 at 2:50 am

    this is islam the same islam Malcolm turnbull encourages in Australia #malcolmturnbull

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