Trump’s backing off of this, which was quite clearly and definitely a policy proposal when he made it, suggests that he wilts under pressure, as the pressure on him for this has been intense indeed. In fact, this is why the Left has targeted his rallies and committed violence at them. This is why he was nearly banned from Britain, and why London’s Muslim mayor, among so many others, has denounced him.
This proposal is also a chief reason why he has outlasted all the contenders and stands as the man with the best chance to be the Republican nominee. Poll after poll has shown that a huge number of Americans supports a temporary moratorium on Muslim immigration — not because huge numbers of Americans are “racist,” as the Left feverishly imagines, but because most Americans know that there is a problem with Islamic terrorism, and most Americans see that the current approaches aren’t working to stop it.
None of Trump’s detractors have ever bothered to offer an alternate plan — how can they, since there is no way to distinguish jihadis from peaceful Muslims? And that’s precisely why Trump proposed the ban in the first place. But now it looks as if whether the next President is Hillary or Trump, the denial and willful ignorance regarding the jihad threat, and the resulting policy errors, will continue.
“Trump: Muslim ban ‘just a suggestion,'” by David Wright, CNN, May 12, 2016:
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump, who issued a December press release “calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” said Wednesday such a ban “hasn’t been called for yet” and it was “only a suggestion.”…
“We have a serious problem, and it’s a temporary ban — it hasn’t been called for yet, nobody’s done it, this is just a suggestion until we find out what’s going on,” the presumptive Republican presidential nominee told Fox News Radio’s Brian Kilmeade Wednesday.
But when Trump first introduced the proposed ban back in December he explicitly said in both a speech and in a press release: “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”

K says
Trump had better clarify this pronto. His campaign will collapse if he reneges on the earlier promise.
Debi Brand says
“Trump had better clarify this pronto. His campaign will collapse if he reneges on the earlier promise.”
Indeed, sudden catastrophic loss of helium.
dajjal says
FYI: On Wednesday, Don Beyer introduced a bill to amend immigration law to prevent Chump from blocking entry of Muslims.
H.R 5207. has been co-signed by 98 AssWholes. Read it here:
http://aha-files.s3.amazonaws.com/2/4f/b/5956/BEYER_059_xml_2.pdf
Express your contempt for it here: https://popvox.com/bills/us/114/hr5207
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Mike says
Many people like myself fully understood where Trump was coming from and the thrust of what he said was to ensure there’s a proper back ground check or vetting is done on migrants and perhaps even visitors if they were deemed a threat. The progressive liberals obviously seized on his words, edited out the vetting part, took out their race cards and turned it into a race issue. It was nothing of the sort and when Ebola was a potential national threat, there were no real issues banning entry from those danger spots. The real issue is the left decry any sensible safety measure to counter a problem if they don’t sponsor it but offer nothing as an alternative. In reality, do they ever offer a solution to any serious problem !
PJ says
Most people imagine Trump said something he didn’t. He talks out of both sides of his mouth. This makes it very easy for people with mutually exclusive views to pretend he agrees with them. But it’s a typical bait and switch. Congratulations, you are falling for the oldest trick in the book.
overman says
Yes, exactly. This ‘switch’ was inevitable. Even Cameron in Britain is pulling the same two-faced stunt. And both Trump and Cameron appear to be sucking up to Sadiq Khan for some reason. l can’t understand it.
Trump was always ‘Soft’ on the muslim issue, though. l’ve only seen two politicians who are speaking honestly about lslam – Geert Wilders and Paul Weston. Nigel Farage has spoken out, but he’s not as fearless as they are.
overman says
Let’s hope it’s just a strategy to get him into the White House, and he’ll follow through with his original plan when he’s in power. Anyway, l still prefer him – Hillary just makes my skin crawl.
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
Don’t forget Viktor orban.
WorkingClassPost says
That’s exactly right, they’ve taken a sensible proposal and scaremongered it into something it was never intended to be.
For my part, I’m glad he’s backing off now, before it became a losing position that he was forced to defend.
J.B. Books says
I’m with you on that…
jbb
gravenimage says
True, Mike.
Lizzy says
It would appear that Donald Trump has felt the weight of the Left and islamics themselves and with the help of the pretender to the Mayoral position in London.
Donald Trump could well have foreseen just how powerful the treasonous Left and islam really is and, believe me, they have one hell of a powerful voice in the UK.
By threatening violence read mass murder. I’d like to think D Trump will stick to his guns and get elected. Maybe get it over with once and for all….it’s going to happen anyway.
Peter Charles says
rue. What the left refuses to do is to recognize that the islamists have declared war on our civilization. They will not be satisfied until we decide to stop them dead in their tracks.
balam says
Mohammad-the prophet of Islam came as Anti Christ and so is every Muslim Anti Christ and Anti Christian.You can see that behaviour alive and well in your president.
Christianblood says
balam posted
(…Mohammad-the prophet of Islam came as Anti Christ and so is every Muslim Anti Christ and Anti Christian.You can see that behaviour alive and well in your president…)
True. The Anti-Christ spirit is very, very evident in the Western world too. It is really controlling most people in the West including media and leaders and educational institutions etc and that is why the Western governments/societies are so pro-islam and hate Christian Russia and are allied with the genocidal muslim Turks who have the blood of millions of innocent Christians in their hands. Please watch the discussion below as a Danish Christian journalist explains this phenomenon: https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/326617-christianity-iraq-syria-west/
overman says
“It would appear that Donald Trump has felt the weight of the Left and islamics themselves and with the help of the pretender to the Mayoral position in London.”
Yes, l couldn’t believe how he was ass-kissing Sadique Khan the other day. Talk about embarrassing.
gravenimage says
Yes–I saw that–*very* depressing.
And despite Trump’s ass-kissing, Khan himself has slandered Trump, said he hopes he doesn’t win, and says he won’t visit the US if he does.
Not that any sane American would want him here, of course…
Mark Swan says
I must HAve Miss This Ass kissing You Mention Here…got a link?
gravenimage says
Here you go, Mark:
“Donald Trump Says Sadiq Khan, New London Mayor, Could Be Exception to His Muslim Ban”
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/05/09/donald-trump-says-new-london-mayor-could-be-exception-to-his-ban-on-muslims/
Regarding a Muslim being elected mayor of London, he said:
“I was happy to see that,” Mr. Trump said of Mr. Khan’s election. “I think it’s a very good thing, and I hope he does a very good job because frankly that would be very, very good.”
Asked why, Mr. Trump said, “Because I think if he does a great job, it will really — you lead by example, always lead by example. If he does a good job and frankly if he does a great job, that would be a terrific thing.”
Now, he does appear to think that Khan’s election will–somehow–lead to Muslims in Britain becoming more “moderate”.
But, of course, Sadiq Khan is no “moderate” himself, and in fact has disturbing links to Jihad terror.
That Trump does not know this is also concerning. It took me three minutes of Googling to pull up all sorts of unsavory information on him–all from reputable sources.
Peggy says
overman says
May 12, 2016 at 5:46 pm
Let’s hope it’s just a strategy to get him into the White House, and he’ll follow through with his original plan when he’s in power. Anyway, l still prefer him – Hillary just makes my skin crawl.
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I was hoping that this is just a stragety to get the left off his back until he is elected.
They are very disruptive and he can’t afford to have his followers attacked. One in charge I don’t doubt he will do what he intends to do.
When in election mode a candidate is not as free to be him/herself.
WorkingClassPost says
Attractive as it sounds, banning every muslim would raise all manner of problems,
Stopping people entering based on their declared religion would turn Trump into the sort of fascist that the media want him to be.
A moratorium on immigration, which is the real context of what he said, is a much more feasible proposition and the one that most people (including many Democrats, in all likelihood), support.
Imagine asking tourists and business people “What’s your religion?” before letting them off their boats and planes, my guess is that most right minded people would be deeply offended, and the islamofobe nonsense would start to look like a real thing, rather than the rubbish that we all know it to be.
PJ says
“Attractive as it sounds, banning every muslim would raise all manner of problems,”
Then why did he say it?
WorkingClassPost says
He said it in the context of Obama’s migration pledges to take in hordes of ‘Syrian’ refugees – most of whom are neither Syrian, nor refugees.
It never looked to me like a blanket ban on every muslim trying to enter the States, whether for business or pleasure, lots of whom may have travelled there many times before, but that’s the bit the media were trying to hang him with.
Mazo says
Obama pledged to take in just 10,000 Syrians directly from United Nations run refugee camos like Zaatari in Jordan. All of whom are Syrians and confirmed as such unlike the waves of unregistered migrants entering Europe from Turkey.
Lebanon has 1.5 million Syrians. Jordan has over 1.2 million Syrians.
And 10,000, which is less than a small rural city, are “hordes” to you.
Bill says
The actual number of Muslims entering the U.S. is far beyond anything that is reported. The “small city” as you so arrogantly say is already a HORDE. A HORDE of people hostile to our Constitution; supremacist, pedophilic, polygamous, authoritarian, subversive and dangerous.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“Obama pledged to take in just 10,000 Syrians directly from United Nations run refugee camos like Zaatari in Jordan. All of whom are Syrians and confirmed as such unlike the waves of unregistered migrants entering Europe from Turkey.”
Ah, so you can vouch for every single one of these refugees, eh?
“Lebanon has 1.5 million Syrians. Jordan has over 1.2 million Syrians.
And 10,000, which is less than a small rural city, are “hordes” to you.”
Mazo, shame on you, you racist bigot. Why would you have Syrians dragged out from a place geographically, religiously, linguistically and culturally closer from where they were bred, born and raised, where they lived their entire lives, to a place halfway across the world, with a different climate, culture, religion and language? Don’t you have the best interests of the Syrian people at heart? Don’t you want them to go back home ASAP after the war?
gravenimage says
Mazo is, of course, upset that we would balk at having any of his violent coreligionists living next door…
Myxlplik says
Clearly Trump was talking about immigration.
balam says
The other alternative would be : MUSLIM TERRORISTS WELCOME TO ENTER WITHOUT VISA. PILOT TRAINING WILL BE PROVIDED ON ENTRY TO AMERICA to repeat 9/11. Most Muslims hate America but would try anything to get the American visa. It is safer to have POISONOUS SNAKES in your bedroom than Muslims in your country. It is almost impossible to reform their thinking.
Peter Charles says
Donald completed the statement with “until we can figure out what is going on.” That is, until we have done the required background search necessary to give us some assurance we are not importing 9/11 mass murderer want to Be’s or San Bernardino killers. Not too much to require in my mind.
overman says
Yes, but the problem is you can’t vet these muslims. The one’s being recruited now are either already in the country [God knows how many ‘Sleeper Cells’ there are], or they don’t have criminal/terrorist backgrounds [most refugees are probably clean] – what’s there to check. lSIS and others are telling them not to carry a Koran or pray or attend the Mosque – just fit in with normal society.
vlparker says
Not banning them raises a hell of a lot more problems than banning them. The more jihadists that enter this country the sooner America is no more.
Myxlplik says
There are perhaps a dozen different types of Visas, we’ll have to see if there will be any restrictions on Muslims, and I think it’s perfectly fair to ask about religious affiliations.
If you lie on the application it can be grounds for deportation, personally I think the longer term 3 year Visas should be denied to Muslims. 30 day diplomatic and travel types sure okay. The 6 month type, maybe, but I have reservations.
Peter Charles says
Just ask to see the Qur’an they are carrying. If it is well worn, no entry.
Bill says
Islam is not merely a religion. I could care less about the religion. The POLITICS of Islam is supremacist, authoritarian, intolerant, and hostile to liberty, hostile to the Constitution, hostile to the First Amendment, hostile to each clause of the First Amendment, hostile to non Muslims and hostile to “equal protection under the law.” Add polygamy, pedophilia, cleptocracy, subversion, slavery and brutality toward non Muslims, all of which are taught and practiced by Muslims, and you have a fascist political ideology that is extremely dangerous and threatening.
PJ says
Mickey, you must be deaf and blind and clueless to think that guy who waffles more than Mitt Romney is going to stick to his guns.
Peter Charles says
And lies about everything.
Angemon says
Let’s see. When Trump was running against establishment candidates (paraphrasing):
“I fund my own campaign and I want to bar muslims from entering the US until we can figure out what’s going on”.
Trump now:
“I’m taking donations for my campaign and the muslim ban was just a suggestion”.
This is how Trump’s political inexperience is showing up: politicians tend to wait until AFTER being elected to go back on their words.
Still, must suck for those people who “just knew” that Trump “got the Problem” and “understood islam”…
PJ says
He’s constantly showing us his and the world hand of cards. SUCH a great deal maker!
WorkingClassPost says
I am still hopeful that he’s only showing you the cards that he wants you to see.
Mark Swan says
Yes of course
Peggy says
Me too. He can’t afford to be continuously disrupted at rallies and his supporters attacked.
He is saying what he needs to say for now.
balam says
A tree that bends during strong wind survives.
Angemon says
You’re thinking of grass. A tree that bends during strong winds grows twisted. But Trump is neither a tree nor grass, he’s a weathervane. And this is not strong winds, this was the kind of thing that won him popular support. This was part of the wind behind his sails.
Mark Swan says
Yes of course
shoehorn of africa says
Exzackerly. Trump knows next to nothing about Islam and jihad. The people would be better served if Cruz, Carson or Allen West was GOP presidential candidate.
gravenimage says
All of them are out now, though–and West was not running at all–not this time, at least. He is by far the most savvy of the bunch.
So Americans have to determine the least worst of those still in the race.
Bill says
None of the politicians, other than maybe West, proposes that the immigration of all Muslims must stop. Cruz and Carson emphatically opposed the proposed ban on the immigration of Muslims. So, how can you make such a statement? Face it. We have NO ONE to stop the flood of Muslims.
gravenimage says
All I was saying is that the positions of these other candidates is at this point irrelevant.
Champ says
Angemon wrote:
This is how Trump’s political inexperience is showing up: politicians tend to wait until AFTER being elected to go back on their words.
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Exactly, Angemon! …good point 🙂
PJ says
Robert, so I am wondering if Pamela Geller will be recanting her endorsement of Trump any time soon? He cannot be trusted. I am mystified at how many otherwise discerning people cannot see this.
WorkingClassPost says
Not sure that I get your point about not being trusted, he’s now a politician, so that goes with the territory.
Steve Klein says
Mr. Trump is a push-over. He has the facade of a thug but he is a thuggish wimp.
Steve Klein says
I warned Pamela on her page to steer clear of Trump after I saw her leaning toward supporting him in the event he is the nominee. You are correct, he has a history of duplicity and treachery, the very traits he said his political opponents possessed.
quotha raven says
Steve, Steve! Are you a NYCer? Trump fixed in three months the crack in the Wohlman skating rink in Central Park after the City futzed around with it for THREE YEARS.
Are you touting a Hillary win? Gag me with a fork, Steve.
Cheers!
quotha raven
Trico says
In the 1980s, Trump repaired the Ice Skating Rink in Rockefeller Center which sat in disrepair for many years. After the City spent millions of dollars and bungled the job,
Donald Trump offered to take over the repairs. Trump not only created a much more beautiful rink, he did the job under budget and ahead of time AND PAID FOR THE ENTIRE REPAIR HIMSELF.
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You could look this next story up:
A couple were driving along and saw a limousine on the side of the road twitha flat tire. The driver got out and offered assistance to the limo driver. After the man repaired the flat, a limo passenger exited the limo.
It was Donald Trump. Trump thanked the man and asked how he could repay him. The man said you could send flowers to my wife if you want. Done.
Next day the flowers arrived with a note that said:
“We paid off your mortgage”..
gravenimage says
The problem is that Trump with all his terrible shortcomings–including his shameful excoriation of Ms. Geller and Robert Spencer’ defense of freedom of speech–is still apt to be the least bad choice. Who else? Hillary Clinton? Bernie Sanders? (who is probably out of the race at this point, anyway)
Both of the Democratic candidates have slammed Trump for even *suggesting* that we pause to vet Muslims flooding into our nation for links to terrorism.
Angry Citizen says
It looks like what I suspected earlier could be possible (they do say trust your Gut), TRUMP COULD BE ONE BIG LEFTIST GRIFTER.
Trump came into the game PROMISING EVERYTHING that people wanted. By playing the Card of the Loner, the Entrepreneur, Self Funding etc., he stood out from the crowd and destroyed his opposition.
Now that he is the Runner, TRUMP starts BACKTRACKING (guess he studied Cameron).
It is on record that TRUMP has history with the DEMOCRATS, through support and funding, maybe this was the plan all along, DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES to pave the way for ANOTHER DEMOCRAT VICTORY.
Graham McGBH says
A secret Democrat???? Complete conspiracy theory.
He ran against 12 other Republics and they all lost.
No one on the right has ever dared say what he says.
He’s the real deal.
Peggy says
Big business has a habit of funding both sides of politics. I wouldn’t read too much into that.
It is unfortunate that he feel the need to go softer on the Muslim issue but he is trying to stop the heat for now. It’s not like he apologised and said he was wrong.
Bottom line, there is nobody else out there who can be trusted so it’s picking the best out of what is offered.
Just imagine if Hillary got the presidency.
VRWC member77 says
Bottom line there WAS someone who could be trusted compared to the flip-flopping-flip-flop-flipper dhimmi COWARD don trump. His name was Ted Cruz.
Except for his pick for VP, Fiorina -as a last attempt to stave off the billion dollar worth of media coverage stacked against him (the trump news channel aka fox), Cruz was genuinely the REAL DEAL. Ben Carson was really the only person who had the courage to face the Islamic threat head-on. But look what happened to him.
So now we have a criminal femi-nazi supremacist who belongs behind bars and a con-artist type, unprincipled, dhimmi liberal coward for two presidential choices. Great choice….I choose neither….prepare for real world financial, economic and terror induced chaos in the coming few years. You asked for it and it’s coming.
Myxlplik says
Trump will enact the ban, and if he is shown by experts like Robert, for instance, that Islam itself is ideologically incompatible with our Constitution, or poses a threat to the cultural fabric of our nation, and can come up with the proper verbiage to describe the threat, then if we as a people understand the threat, and then…. yes it would be more or less permanent until the public conscious on the issue is swayed by other evidence.
It’s totally Constitutional, and this is what Trump means by, we will look into it, and I hope it’s just temporary. Trump is very human here, he doesn’t want to act permanently, because of the pain it would cause Muslims as people and families, but would do it to protect his country, if his investigation into the issue led him to that conclusion.
That’s how I hear Trump, and I think now, about all of the timely genuflection over the Japanese by Obama. Muslims like Khan of London know any clear analysis of Islam, which lead to a ban, would be a death knell for Islam in the west for at least several generations, probably a permanent ban is theoretical, but possible for the near future.
One thing is clear though, if Trump waffles on this, he will lose.
gravenimage says
Myxlplik wrote:
Trump will enact the ban, and if he is shown by experts like Robert…
……………………..
Unfortunately, Myxlplik, so far Trump’s only reference to Robert Spencer has been to name his colleague Pamela Geller and slam her for daring to hold the Garland Muhammed Art Show:
“Trump Blames Geller for Being Attacked by Jihadis: ‘What is She Doing Drawing Muhammad?'”
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/04/trump-blames-geller-for-being-attacked-by-jihadis-what-is-she-doing-drawing-muhammad/
Here he called bravely standing up for freedom of speech “just taunting everybody”.
This could change, of course–but given his backtracking on his plan to vet Muslims entering the US, I’m afraid I would not hold my breath.
Certainly in this case I would love to be wrong.
Myxlplik says
I think Trump means to stop Muslim immigration into the U.S., there are so many different types of Visas, it will be interesting to see how restrictions are placed upon them. I think he is working on the details, which is why it’s a bit vague at the moment.
Certainly he has already stated that diplomatic Visas would still be honored.
gravenimage says
I hope you are right, Myxlplik.
Tony says
Let’s face it, Donald Trump has given the fight against political correctness a bad name by combining it with gratuitous insults that are morally repugnant. My last straw with him was the day he posted the unflattering picture of Heidi Cruz. No man with a shred of decency can defend this. I will vote for him if he is running against Hillary, but I am very disappointed that so many of my fellow Republicans chose him as the nominee. I am also a bit disappointed at Jihad Watch for playing up Trump while saying almost nothing about Ted Cruz.
In all fairness, Ted Cruz expressed his disapproval of Obama’s lectures on Islamaphobia and also recommended monitoring of Muslim neighborhoods and Mosques. As a first rate legal scholar, he could not recommend an outright ban on Muslim immigration because banning people based on religion has no legal precedent, but I am sure (given the chance) that he would have been open to the idea of restrictions based on the screening along the lines recommended here at Jihadwatch. In effect, I believe that Cruz would have been much more reliable in protecting our country from terrorism and multiculturalism. Unfortunately, voters are more easily drawn to the person who screams the loudest. This will backfire when Trump’s gratuitous insults come back to haunt him will running against the Clinton machine.
Champ says
Trump is backing off? Wow I didn’t see this coming!
/sarc
gravenimage says
Sadly true…
Myxlplik says
Trump will take a Yuuuge hit in the polls for this, because it sounds like he waffled. He can’t waffle on this, period or it is “YOU’RE FIRED”.
Rob says
Bad move Donald. Your appeal is saying what has been un-sayable for decades.
Unless this is an internally-agreed condition to get Ryan to chair and legitimise the convention nomination of Trump it is a bad move.
Trumps nomination of a running mate will be the coup or catastrophe for him.
Can he drop his ego to partner with someone who is smarter than he is?
Condy Rice was being mentioned a week or so back – less so now.
A black female from the right would neutralise toxic Hillary in one.
Graham McGBH says
Good point.
Jack Diamond says
Condi Rice? Tried and found wanting. Long before Obama, Condi sent out memorandum prohibiting using the words “jihad” or “mujahideen” in connection with Muslims killing. She called Hamas a “resistance movement.” She brushed off that little Sunni-Shi’a ‘thing’ by saying “they would just have to get over that.” Might as well make Prince Bandar’s tennis partner, Colin Powell, the running mate.
No, Trump could be more imaginative. Megyn Kelly. Dolly Parton. Good copy. One could suggest Pam Geller, Nina Shea, Rebecca Bynum, Nidra Poller. All smarter than he is. What happened to “I think Islam hates us”? It still does.
Peggy says
I would love to see Pam beside Trump. That would really put the wind up the parasites.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Omigosh Peg! Talk about a dream ticket! Tho’ if we’re going to dream, hey-Pam for President!
Steve Klein says
Mr. Spencer wrote: “This proposal is also a chief reason why he has outlasted all the contenders and stands as the man with the best chance to be the Republican nominee….”
Right. Then why did he ignominiously back down?
JMB says
We are in an election campaign here in Australia as well. We are also getting saturation coverage of the “Trump/Hillary & Bernie” show and as a result I am slowly gaining an understanding of what the USA political process is all about. But having said that, just how did someone like Trump ever get past first base, was it his money? I have yet to hear him make a coherent statement or speech. But I started to listen when he said something about banning Muslims entering the USA, He did not go far enough, he should have proposed internment until the war on terror stops, I watched with encouragement when he had a “go” at left wing women journalists. Then, a policy of stopping illegal immigration, that is a real vote winner here in Australia, even our current left leaning PM has told us not to get misty eyed over illegal immigrants. Gun control, that is a USA problem, I can not comment.
Draft dodger, i assume this is from the Vietnam era, I feel that anyone who opposed that totally criminal war should be commended. (Those who were forced to take part and survived also need to be commended and cared for)
Yes, perhaps Trump appeals to the secret hopes of real Americans except he needs to start to be consistent and present himself in a manner befitting a future president. Unfortunately at present he is the best opponent that Hillary and her political establishment could ever have wished for.
My wife is a very good judge of character loves Trump and hates Hillary (and Obama)
Trico says
“as a result I am slowly gaining an understanding of what the USA political process is all about.”
You and most of America.
Election Rigging, Superdelegates, Contested Convention, Biased Media.
The Party picks the Nominee, not the Voters.
Reporter:”Then why even have a Primary?
Republican Party Chair: “Good question.Good Question”
JMB says
Thank you Trico, Your observations are noted and fully understood!
JMB
RCCA says
You can thank Paul Ryan for this softening of his statement to a suggestion — Trump has to show his willingness to unify with the Republican Party. Ryan had a hissy fit over Trump’s declaration.
Will Trump be willing to screen immigrants for their views on jihad? That’s a fair question. Hope he gets the proper advisors.
WorkingClassPost says
Hilary is so hated by many Democrats, that Trump can win if he manages to get all/most Republicans behind him.
Will he deliver then?
Who knows, but he cannot be worse than her.
Wellington says
Trump has a knack for stumbling into the truth from time to time. This is quite different from knowing the truth. A stumbler will often retreat from the truth that he has stumbled into (as here), while one who knows the truth, as long as they have courage, will never do this.
I will vote for Trump because the alternative is far worse but I do wish my country had a Presidential candidate who really understood why Islam is so wrong in so many ways and why it is inimical to sundry rights and guarantees found in that magnificent document, the American Constitution. Not there yet.
gravenimage says
Pretty much what I think as well, Wellington.
Mark Swan says
And I do agree as well
Daniel Triplett says
You can write-me in on your POTUS ballot. I’ll take care of the Islamic problem real quick.
Now if I could only find another 70 Million Americans to write-me in…
Looks like Trump will be the only man taking us to the dance. He’s the Prom King. I hope everyone will forgive his mistakes and support him.
He’s addicted to Twitter, and does all his own Tweets. So start working on him. If enough of us contact him, especially if you attach a persuasive meme to your Tweet, or attach a link to an essay you write at http://www.medium.com, maybe he’ll see the problem as we do.
Mark Swan says
Good Suggestion Daniel Triplett…thanks for making it.
dumbledoresarmy says
Excellent idea.
ALL American jihadwatchers should do it – put some pressure on. Because it’s the potential VOTERS who need to be loud and persistent.
Perhaps ACT for America can stir up ALL their members to do as Dan has proposed.
Brigitte Gabriel knows *exactly* how lethal Muslim immigration is. A massive influx of *extra* Muslims into her homeland, Lebanon, which was *already* precariously balanced, was enough to tip it into a wholesale civil war, as the Sunni Muslims, emboldened, set out to destroy the previously-existing secular-Christian state.
Shoutout to ACT for America members here present: *has* Gabriel contacted Trump? Has she asked for a meeting? She needs to , if she hasn’t already. Another person he needs to talk to, desperately, sometime soon, is the Israeli scholar Mordechai Kedar. Because Kedar understands how ‘deals’ work – and DON’T work – in the Muslim world. Google around for some nice short Kedar articles on Jihad and send them to the Trump camp.
Mightn’t hurt to remind Trump and his staffers of *this*.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/63924
Poll on Trump’s Muslim Ban
TEMPORARY BAN OF NON-US MUSLIMS
REPUBLICANS 69 PERCENT
INDEPENDENTS 55 PERCENT
DEMOCRATS 39 PERCENT
dumbledoresarmy says
Here are some soundbites to set circulating in the Trump camp… and beyond it, whenever the subject of that ‘suggestion’ is being discussed.
1/ “Got Muslims? – Got Jihad”. “The Ummah, or Mohammedan Mob, is the sheltering, nurturing sea within which the jihadists swim and from which, ceaselessly, they emerge.”
And 2/ a ‘Hugh Fitzgerald’ classic paragraph (repeated in numerous articles), on the subject of Muslim immigration, as illustrated by the *disaster* currently unfolding in Europe (but also, largely unreported, in a huge swath of *Africa*, and in West Bengal and Assam in India):
“The large-scale presence of Muslims in the countries of Western Europe has led to a situation, for the indigenous non-Muslims and for other, immigrant non-Muslims, that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous than would be the case without such a large-scale Muslim presence.”
Repeat it and repeat it and repeat. Because to all except the wilfully deluded it is demonstrably a fact. So just keep saying it over and over; and right now, say it to Trump, and to all in his camp, over and over and over and over. Repetition. Lies can be accepted if they are repeated sufficiently often? – so, the TRUTH should also be accepted, so long as people are stubborn enough to keep on stating it over and over. Don’t enter into arguments. Just state it.
So I’ll repeat it, by way of demonstrating the point:
“The large-scale presence of Muslims in the countries of Western Europe has led to a situation, for the indigenous non-Muslims and for other, immigrant non-Muslims, that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous than would be the case without such a large-scale Muslim presence.”
Now, a link, to an article that gives more detail on the same subject.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/57790
Sunday, 30 November 2014
Start With Abdulla Ahmed Ali
And another:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/58845
Sunday, 18 January 2015
How To Put It
“We are not going to welcome, we have no obligation to accept into our midst, those who do not accept, unfeigningly, the laws and customs and understandings of our country.
“If it is for some reason impossible for you ever to accept those laws and customs and understandings, and it is reasonable to expect that you will bring permanent unsettlement, expense, and danger to us, then we do not think it unjust or unreasonable for us not to welcome you, not to encourage you to stay by chaning our ways, and throwing ever more money at you — say, by paradoxicallly taking money that might better be spent on those among the unemployed who want to work, who have not exhibited, over a long period, an unwillingness to work or a belief that a level of employment beyond what is merited should be automatically granted,
and giving it to those who have never demonstrated an eagerness to work, have adopted the lives of petty criminals,
who in a hundred ways demonstrate a contempt for the laws, the forces of order, the rules of society, because those laws, those forces of orde, those rules of society, are the product of non-Muslims and reflect values that are flatly contradicted by the Qur’an, the Hadith, the Sira.
“Neither France, nor any other country in the advanced West, has an obligation to increase the expense and danger to its own citizens, to undo its own ways, to endanger the survival of the country in the face of those who have arrived, but not all of whom, it is clear, have any intention of accepting their obligations, and instead expect their hosts to transform themselves.”
dumbledoresarmy says
Another version of the brief Hugh Fitzgerald soundbite on Muslim immigration and its dreadful fruits. Link included.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/35926
Monday, 20 June 2011
Fitzgerald: Islamophobia? Not So Fast
[Re-posted from January 26, 2007]
“The large-scale presence of Muslims in the Lands of the Infidels has brought about a situation, for those indigenous Infidels (and also for other non-indigenous arrivals, non-Muslim immigrants), that is unpleasant, expensive (the costs of monitoring, the costs of security, spiralling ever upward), and physically dangerous.”
And a nice little essay, well worth reading.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/42807
Friday, 6 July 2012
Anyone At All?
“Is there anyone now in Great Britain, among the indigenous population, who would not, if it could turn the clock backward, have moved heaven and earth to prevent, starting several decades ago, the entry of the Pakistanis and other Muslims too, including the fabulously rich Arabs whose black-robed women with their large flocks of offspring make life so unsettling and unpleasant in the parks, on the streets, in the shops?..”..
“Add to that the skyrocketing cost of security measures, and the general worry over what Muslims will tolerate being taught in the state schools, and all the other ways that the large-scale presence of Muslims makes life unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous.
So once again:
Anyone at all?
You know the answer to that.”
Daniel Triplett says
Great points DDA. Muslim colonization is happening right before our very eyes, with full blessings of 95% of Western Heads of State.
Hopefully President Trump will change the World dramatically. A US, Israel, UK, France, Australia, India, China, and Russia alliance could eliminate Islam in a matter of months.
Unless and until we criminalize Islam Worldwide, the problem will only grow worse. Just ask the Muslims.
gravenimage says
Great stuff, DDA.
Here’s how to contact Trump. Anyone who does, please be polite.
Matt says
Just another example of Trump going back on something he’s said, and why no one can trust his word for anything (which is one of the main issues that the conservative base had with Mr. Trump from the beginning). And this isn’t the only policy claim he’s backtracked from since becoming the presumptive GOP nominee, and we’re getting just a glimpse of what a Trump presidency would entail.
Sad, because this was the one issue that would have caused me to cast my ballot for Trump, and now that’s gone…and so is my vote.
Debi Brand says
“Sad, because this was the one issue that would have caused me to cast my ballot for Trump, and now that’s gone…and so is my vote.”
Indeed.
gravenimage says
Trump: Muslim ban ‘just a suggestion’
……………………
Disturbing to see Trump backing off from this–especially since it just in the context of vetting Muslims coming in to ascertain that they aren’t violent Jihadists. I guess that isn’t a concern of his any more…
Trump may still be the least bad of Americans’ options in November–but those expecting him to be some sort of new Churchill are, to put it mildly, apt to be severely disappointed.
Angemon says
Indeed.
Wellington says
Agreed, gravenimage. He’s no Churchill, not even close. In fact, while I will vote for Trump because Hillary is so wretched, it will not surprise me much at all if Trump, in full ironic mode, turns out to be more political, assuming he’s elected President, than even most current American politicians.
Damn, America is in trouble, as the West is, as the whole world is. Mark Twain was right. We are pathetic. The religious provide reasons for this but, personally speaking, I don’t think their “answers” add up either. We’re on our own, the universe is indifferent to our plight, and right now we earthlings are in a heap of trouble, which we don’t have to be but which we are.
Graham McGBH says
To ban ALL muslims is simply unworkable and ridiculous. It would be impossible. The airlines would refuse to ask customers for their religious beliefs and even entering the USA would create a massive backlog of people. This would be disastrous for business.
So, yeah, we ban all folk from certain countries. Syria has (had) a sizeable Christian population, that ain’t working. What about muslims arriving from Europe? A religious quiz before they enter??
This ban is so discriminatory and stupid BUT, I love Trump, he shoots from the hip, he was pissed about San Bernadino and like most normal people who see bad things happen to good people he vented.
I have no problem with venting, plus it got him great publicity and strengthened the anti jihad movement.
I’m glad he realized that banning ALL muslims was, lets say, an of the cuff remark which has now been checked.
Now, we should be banning all Saudis and shutting their their funded mosques and imposing sanctions and seizing their bank accounts.
gravenimage says
Angemon and Wellington, I always knew we could not rely entirely on elected officials, but things are especially dire right now. Who can believe that these candidates are the best America has to offer? Good grief…
Angemon says
Yeah… One way or another, the coming election should prompt profound changes in not only both parties but in the American electoral system as a whole.
Mark Swan says
Agree…with all three of You.
This Media snip it, is doing exactly what it was intended to do…He can say what he said,
and it does not mean that the Muslim situation will not be scrutinized more if he is president,
We all know it will be exacerbated if Mrs. Clinton get in.
Peggy says
I am certain that the candidates on offer are not the best America has but they are the ones who were helped to get where they are.
Money works miracles. I am still hoping that Trump is playing the game and trying to give a little to everyone. Once he is elected he might be more himself.
If people had someone out there they could truly believe in maybe they would have the courage to start a huge following.
We have an election coming coon and I am very anxious to know just how much Australia has learned and matured. So far it looks like we are going backwards which really scares me. People are so defeated and lost. We are hungry for quality candidates but all we are getting is bargain basement.
I know for a fact that I won’t be giving my vote to either major party even if it means I am throwing it away. I just can’t stand the thought of helping either one take the power.
This is only Australia which doesn’t have the power and influence of the US. I can just imagine how anxious you guys in the US must be.
mortimer says
“WHAT IS GOING ON” … the phrase of Trump…is jihad.
The jihad doctrine is well understood and well explained both by Muslims and by Counterjihadists who quote the Muslim foundational source texts.
The Left and the mainstream Westerners don’t want to listen to the Islamic source texts and don’t want to read them, so they are not learning what they say…which is ‘jihad until victory’.
Trump and other conservative voices don’t understand supremacism. They think there is some half-way house for supremacists. There is not.
vlparker says
Everyone except Trump knows what is going on. The first step to making America great again is to ban muslim immigration permanently.
Mark Swan says
Tweet…Him, and make sense, when You do…
dumbledoresarmy says
Send that to Trump.
“The first step to making America great again is to ban muslim immigration permanently.”
And … the thing is… that is *also* the first step toward just possibly making Britain, France, Germany and any *number* of other countries great again, *themselves* again.
For countries like India, getting on top of Islam, cutting Islam right down to size, would make an *enormous* difference. Islam, the Ummah, the Mohammedan Mob, is a terrible drag on *any* historically non-Muslim nation whether rich or poor, first world or third world. *Any* country at all is better off without Muslims inside the gates!
If the Latino countries of S America and the little Christian island countries of the Pacific want a head start into the 21st century, then they know what to do: they must BAN Muslim immigration. Countries like Iceland and Finland and Greenland, that have a negligible Muslim presence, must institute a similar ban… and discourage those mohammedans already present, from remaining. Same deal for any subsaharan African countries that don’t, as yet, have very many Muslims. Close the borders! Pour all scant resources into policing the borders, if there are Muslims next door. IGNORE all bribes, flattery, threats, nonsense-and-lies, from *any* OIC member. Make alliances with non-Muslim countries ONLY. Make alliance with Israel and get economic advice and investment from Israel, and vote for Israel at the UN, solidly and stolidly (that is: vote for Israel, and do it without explanation or apology, just do it). And then… with *much less* to worry about domestically… reap the benefits.
Trico says
The Japanese Muslim Policy: NO Muslims
The Singapore Muslim Policy:A Few Muslims Kept Under Close Scrutiny
Obama’s Muslim Policy: Sneak them in via UPS planes, and uncontested border crossings,
give them fake IDs and Social Security #s so they can vote, file false tax returns and get unwarranted tax refunds,
give them more money monthly than social security recipients receive,
give them free medical care that is unavailable to Veterans, and the majority of Americans
give them free food via Food stamp programs,
give them free housing while the homeless crisis in America is ignored and many Americans have to cope with relentless rent increases in a jobless and wage stagnant economy ,
assign the ACLU to provide counselors who teach how to “milk” the system for all it;s worth
provide free legal advice on how to use the legal system to get “all entitlements” due and free legal representation to file lawsuits.
Give “Protected Status” to Muslims so they can impose their religious” beliefs on the rest of Society
criminalize dissent and opposition to Muslim domination and any criticism of Muslims and Islam.
Welcome To AmerIslam.
Bill says
You nailed it. I would vote for you over Trump.
Trico says
“I would vote for you over Trump.”
Okay, but I charge more than Hillary. 🙂
gravenimage says
Trico wrote:
The Japanese Muslim Policy: NO Muslims
……………………
I’m not sure why so many people believe this, Trico.
It is not easy for any non-Japanese to gain permanent citizenship in Japan, but there is no specific ban on Muslims.
And while the numbers there are thankfully small, there *are* Muslims in Japan–there are also Mosques.
I think people just want to think that *someone* is banning Muslims.
Trico says
Gravenimage,
Thanks for the correction. there isn’t an Edit option for me to revise my comment so I will do it here.
Yes Muslims or Islam is not overtly banned in Japan.What is banned and absolutely not tolerated is “Radical Islam” and any of it’s abhorrent behavior.
Why doesn’t Japan have a Muslim problem?
What makes Japan different from Europe, Scandinavia, Australia, Canada. United Kingdom and “coming soon to a neighborhood near you”, the United States?
Is it because Japan has Samurai Swords and knows how to use them so when it comes to Head Chopping, Japan wins?
Maybe, but I need to do some digging:
From Conservative Tribune:
“Japan Shut Down Radical Islam Entirely… And Here’s the Simple Way They Did It”
Muslims are required to practice their religion quietly in their own homes and
Muslims are prohibited from overtly endeavoring to convert anyone to Islam.
Out of Japan’s nearly 127 million occupants, only 10,000 of them, less than one hundredth of a percent, are Muslims.
Japan has a ban on Muslim immigrants.
Japan discourages immigration allowing only those in who are there for business purposes.
There are very few mosques or Islamic institutions in Japan
Japan is not swayed by outside influence and political correctness.
The Japanese as a whole are uneasy around Muslims
—
Source: Conservative Tribune
http://conservativetribune.com/japan-shut-down-islam/
—
Source: Politifact.com
“there is nothing in Japanese nationality law that prevents Muslims from becoming naturalized citizens. The requirements concern length of residency, age, a history of “upright conduct,”
Uh oh, did I read that right?
“a history of “upright conduct”
That alone can do it but here are more dealbreakers and they are Big Ones:
the ability to support oneself
a willingness to give up other nationalities. There is no mention of religion..
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/17/viral-image/viral-graphic-says-japan-keeps-out-radical-islam-t/
Let’s Look at that again:
“a history of “upright conduct,”
“ability to support oneself”. (My Note: that includes your 4 wives, several mistresses and dozens of children aka if you want to reproduce like Rabbits, do it on your own dime)
“a willingness to give up other nationalities”
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In conclusion,Japan doesn’t have to ban Muslims. T
he Japanese arranged it so that Muslims will ban themselves.
“Who, me work? No time. I have to pray 5 times a day.
Forget it, I’m going to visit my German Mommy, Angela Nerkell.
She’ll take care of me”.
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Mitch says
“None of Trump’s detractors have ever bothered to offer an alternate plan — how can they, since there is no way to distinguish jihadis from peaceful Muslims?”
Respectfully, Mr. Spencer, on this you are mistaken.
Both Rand Paul and Ted Cruz supported a ban on immigration from “Islamic State” nations. In December of last year Paul introduced a bill into the Senate, HR 3762 which I do not remember you reporting on.
Not only was Paul’s idea more practicable than Trump’s, since it targeted something more definable — whole countries — than the individual faith of an individual, which could and would be lied about, not to mention challenged on multiculti-PC grounds, Paul took actual political action in Washington, while Trump merely made a campaign promise (again, to rub it in, which many of us figured to be empty).
What you call “wilting under pressure,” may be nothing more than the real Donald Trump returning to view.
common sense says
Yup Paul and HR 3762. What happened? Where did it go? Who is bringing this up? It’s a very substantial plan and very effective. Cruz sites constitutional religious protection for nit wit Muslims who are not even here or are not US citizens yet? Really?
Obama? Congress? Empty bags of hot stinky air. News outlets? Garbage in and out the focus is drama not actual progress.
At war with Japs? Deport Japs and win war, apologize later and receive many thanks from citizens and our factories for the needed protection. Do the same to Islamoscuz and apologize later.
-Trump “political correctness is killing our country”.
I hope DJT wakes up on all of the real dangers of Islam and gets this done but I’m not holding my breath.
Bill says
Wrong. For us to survive we must understand and act accordingly that Islam is a political ideology MORE than a “faith.” We are “kafirs.” Our plight, under Islamic rule, has nothing to do with “faith” or religion. It will be one stroke of a whip after another through the POLITICS of Islam.
gravenimage says
Mitch, George Bush made similar suggestions right after 9/11 to restrict immigration into the US from these nations–it would have been a start. But he was shot down almost immediately.
Mo says
“Trump: Muslim ban ‘just a suggestion’ ”
I hate to say, “I told you so” but…
Actually, I have no problem saying it: I TOLD YOU SO.
livingengine says
Donald Trump has a Sharia Problem.
Graham McGBH says
The alternative??? Hillary (I want to emulate Merkel) Clinton???
Get behind Trump, he’s our only chance.
Or kiss the 1A and 2A goodbye.
Stop the petty squabbling, stop the back stabbing, vote in Trump on November, or get Clinton. Up to you.
Peter Charles says
Yes, the choice is Trump or pond scum Hillary.
Laurence says
Unfortunately it appears that Donald Trump continues to make it up as he goes along, saying and doing whatever appeals to potential voters and supporters, particularly the disenchanted, and which gets him media attention. Maybe one day he’ll rely less on showmanship and honestly present himself as a man of deep principles, but it isn’t yet. And based upon his past statements (followed by ‘unstatements’) I am not inclined to hold my breath.
gravenimage says
Sadly I agree.
Steve Klein says
He can’t take the heat.
quotha raven says
Then again, Steve Klein, maybe not. Maybe he is backing off a position that, for the time being, might sink him through relentless ridicule and calumny from the press and corrupt pols, dems and repubs.
Maybe he is just being politically savvy and playing his cards close to his chest? I certainly hope that is the case.
Cheers!
quotha raven
RonW says
We can hope…
But I think he thinks that it’s not an immediate problem, something that can be horse-traded with the ‘establishment’.
I’ve wondered, before, though, why it is that the ‘establishment’ _want_ more muslims? I just can’t wrap my head around it.
Bunyip says
I think you’re right quotha raven.
No presidential candidate has been subjected to a media shit storm quite as savage and unrelenting as the one Trump has had to endure. I don’t blame the man for wanting some respite from the onslaught.
Check the video at the 10:45 mark. He makes it very clear that he hasn’t changed his position on Muslim immigration. He understands that people with sinister aims will be among the “Syrian” immigrants, that they are mostly young men of military age, and that there is no way to vet them:
“I would stop it, and I would stop it immediately.”
Trico says
“No presidential candidate has been subjected to a media shit storm quite as savage and unrelenting…”
And so it continues:
“Washington Post assigns army of 20 to dig into ‘every phase’ of Trump’s life” – Washington Examiner
Steve Klein says
Truman’s dictum, “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen,” is a good one.
Champ says
So Trump is just another run-of-the-mill lying politician? Shocka!
JawsV says
Too bad. It was the primary reason I would vote for him.
dumbledoresarmy says
Very, very, very disappointing.
Every American here present who *finds* it disappointing must communicate with the man and tell him exactly that.
Tell him flat out, the following irrefutable reality – “Got Muslims? Got Jihad”.
Tell him, flat out, that you are SICK AND TIRED of being made to play the deadly game of “Muslim roulette” – which has already killed and maimed many Americans **on American soil**, not only on September 11 but at Fort Hood and at Boston and at San Bernardino and Chattanooga – and that a moratorium on Muslim immigration is one step toward getting out of that deadly game.
Put him on notice, NOW.
gravenimage says
True, DDA.
Here is how to contact Trump:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/contact
Letting him know what you think can’t hurt. Including a link to Jihad Watch is not a bad idea, either.
Shmooviyet says
A great idea, if he pays attention…That safe, tacked-on “until we figure out what’s going on” line rang false from the start.
A few hours spent absorbing islamic reality from JW et al, and he would’ve had it ‘figured out’ long ago.
dumbledoresarmy says
Thanks.
I think I will. Identifying myself as an *Australian* who cares about the US-Aussie alliance. Because if the USA sensibly toughens up vis a vis the Ummah, or Mohammedan Mob, that will help *us* too.
quotha raven says
to Gravenimage – Thank you so much for the link to contact Trump campaign. I will use it, and I’ll certainly include a link for JW. Hope a lot of others here use your practical info.
Cheers!
quotha raven
Debi Brand says
You can bet your life I did.
gravenimage says
Thanks DDA, Quotha, and Debi.
John Johness says
As the bumper sticker says “No matter who you vote for a politician always gets in”. At least he brought the whole topic to the debate. In reality he will compromise – that is just the nature of politics.
Currently there has not been any outrageous slaughter in Europe ( the indignation lasts about four weeks max) But you can guarantee the Isloonies will attack again and it will be back on the agenda. I also expect the Mayor of London will come out with some over the top remark – they just can’t help it. Rationality is not part of the Quran, emotion and affects are.
Mark Swan says
John Johness I Agree
Carmel says
Deceiving!
TJFreedomjihad says
Although prepared just three months ago, the indefatigable Pat Condell, has a few choice observations on Don Trump and America, and islam, of course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDDhhpM_dzo This one titled “Brit Pat Condell blasts America’s Left” You’ll like it if you’re not on the wrong team….And while at it, don’t miss this cheery reality of life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H3d6tIgeuQ If some bearded buffoons or some bag-headed bimbos tell us how offended they are … He ranges wide in truths herein, dramatically great.
When one is running a giant incredible maze, amongst the enemy around every corner, and subversives in in wait, even in one’s own company team, sometimes, it is wise to maintain situational awareness at every moment, and that may make strategic fake outs and adjustments, just to get through the maze, and become king of the hill.
I don’t know about others , but as for me, that is what I think. I see modified positions as the timing and situation warrants, but this is not an ordinary cow tow man. Watch how he conducts himself when he becomes the leader, that is when you have the real intelligent time and right to criticize and complain, not when he is running through hell, just to get their, and must do some punts, first.
Trump is not made of ordinary stuff, he isn’t. Everyone ought to know that by now, any more than is Robert or Pat Condell. And Trump has made plenty of signals, along the way for the observant and wise, that damn few have had the b**** to do so much of. If he has as I suspect he does, the feeling of anger underneath that some at least some of you do, and that I do, he will follow through, at every opportunity, which very special President may. He has the stuff of which great men CAN be made. No one else has shown it, none. And he has an outrageously great start. Remember follow through and technique.
TJFreedomjihad says
Gravenimage, you have my permission to send this piece of mine to his address, if you wish, as IF he sees it he’ll be likely to understand our good wishes and knowledge. Good people of the civilized and even a few from the uncivilized world understand and agree, if they read real news somewhere, or worse, live it. But let me know if you do send this piece.
gravenimage says
I’m sure you can send it. TJ. If he sees it I’m sure he will appreciate your support.
vlparker says
I’m not the least bit surprised by this. Trump has more positions than the Kama Sutra. The muslim ban and the wall were the only two reasons I had for voting for Trump. I hope he loses tons of support over this and it forces him to reconsider.
Angemon says
vlparker posted:
“Trump has more positions than the Kama Sutra. ”
XD
Good one 😉
vlparker says
I wonder if Guiliani had anything to do with this.
vlparker says
Whoops. Giuliani.
gravenimage says
Giuliani has been pretty anti-Jihad.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
I’ll still support Trump, even in the face of this quote. But I do hope SO much that he’s not ‘backing off’ the muslim ban. We desperately-and I mean that literally-need this!
I think this may be something said to deal with idiot Ryan.
Alas! We have no saints or angels available to run at this time!
Mark Swan says
Absolutely Agree Kathy Brown, Esq.
davej says
A ban on further Muslim immigration is NOT a “religious test” because Islam is not a genuine religion. It is a violent, Supremacist Cult that seeks to overthrow our government and society.
Why would we not prohibit such people from populating our Country?
Bill says
Yes. You nailed it. It is the POLITICS of Islam, Islam, a POLITICAL ideology, that is disastrous for non Muslims, aka, kafirs. The religious aspects of Islam are of no importance. The POLITICS OF Islam kills, abuses, and seeks dominance.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Dave: ‘Religious tests’ have nothing whatever to do with immigration. It is totally and absolutely fine, constitutional, and indeed DESIRABLE, to employ such tests-and plenty of others!-in determining immigration policy.
People are confusing immigration with running for public office. Religious tests may not be employed in determining eligibility for the latter. However: Your point does indeed apply to that too. Once we have a decent president, we will certainly need to revisit the designation of ‘islam’ as a religion.
You accurately point out that islam in not a religion. It IS a political ideology, and into the bargain one which explicitly calls for the overthrow of the USA…
Yes: that’s one of many things to look forward to during the coming Trump presidency. The wall. ISIS bombed into oblivion. Mexico and China punched in the face and tariff’ed into a parade rest. I for one can’t wait.
Daniel Triplett says
Islam is a crime; a long list of serious felonies, with Sedition and Conspiracy to Murder being right at the top of the list.
No one could start a religion like Islam today and get away with it. Muhammad would be on Death Row.
dajjal says
Sorry, Chumps; you hitched your wagon to an Ass which pulled it into shitcreek and stopped, leaving you to wade through sewage to get to shore. I toldja so!
I told you that Trump is an unprincipled, narcissistic opportunist who knows nothing about Islam and cares less. He only says what he thinks you want to hear, I toldja so and he has demonstrated proof that i was right all along.
Trump made a deal and reneged. There is only one thing to do about it. Now its time to exercise buyer’s remorse, cancel the deal and tell the GOP to nominate a worthy statesman with Conservative principles: Senator Ted Cruz. The convention delegates must revolt and dump Trump.
When Trump said he needed to figure out… was your first clue and you ignored it. Jizya & hijra are going on; that fool does not even know what they are.
Bill says
You are right about Trump, but Cruz condemned Trump’s proposal to stop all immigration of Muslims. That is completely unacceptable to me. Cruz, and now, Trump, by allowing the immigration of masses of people who are hostile to the Constitution, are de facto Islamophiles. Trump has lost my support. Naturally I despise the Democrat Party and Ted Cruz and the republican Islamophile establishment.
Daniel Triplett says
Try to get past it Bill, and pull the lever for Trump. Otherwise you’ll help put a Demoncrat in the White House, which could quite possibly mean the end of Civilization.
Mark Swan says
dajjal…I did not know those things, until I ran across this site.
Debi Brand says
Amen, Bill.
Across the board to your above statement.
THURSDAY, MAY 12, 2016
Donald J. Trump’s “December 07, 2015” Declaration on “Preventing Muslim Immigration”
http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2016/05/donald-j-trumps-december-07-2015.html
dajjal says
The Chump lied to someone. Did he lie to the voters or to the Islamopandering RINOs? In either case, he can not be trusted.
Senator Cruz did call for excluding the rapefugees, give him credit for that and for his bill condemning the Ikhwan.
Guest says
He was also going to carpet bomb ISIS putting a halt to the migrant crisis completely. As well as safe guarding our right to bear arms which we could defend against people like them. Look at the big picture in a campaign not just one thing.
Debi Brand says
Cruz likewise promised to fight for right for the Muslim to freely practice the tenets of their religion here in our nation.
Has anyone at this site studied Islam?
dajjal says
We want the numerous bloodsucking parasites to study Islam, which is why I created “Islam 101 For Politicians”.
Daniel Triplett says
Caliph Ohammad will be visiting Hiroshima on 27 May.
Although those two A-Bombs saved 1 Million American lives, and several Million Japanese lives too, he’ll apologize to the Japanese like the douche he is.
I knew some Dumbycrat President would do this one day.
Angemon says
Are the Japanese even asking for an apology? Or it it just the SJW crowd who is always offended in behalf of people who are more likely to be offended by their unwarranted white-knighting than by what’s allegedly offending them?
Daniel Triplett says
I’m not sure if the Japanese are officially asking for an apology, though I’m sure they’d like one.
They don’t deserve one. They started the war, and committed horrific war atrocities. We did them a huge favor ending the war as we did, saving millions of their lives and ours.
Then we spent the next 71 years treating them with dignity and respect, as friends, bearing the burden for their defense, at the expense of our own economy, which allowed Japan (and W Germany) to become World economic powerhouses of technology, ingenuity, manufacturing, and prosperity because they were able to spend their money on production versus defense.
Just imagine how we’d have been treated had we lost the war.
Particularly as a man who never wore his country’s uniform himself, an apology coming from Obama would be a tremendous show of disrespect to all of our WWII veterans, and the 439,800 brave, patriotic Americans who paid the ultimate price to keep our country free, and the World free from tyranny.
He’ll say something stupid too about how we need to abolish all nuclear weapons from Earth so this never happens again. This shows his total arrogance and naiveté about warfare strategy and how to win wars.
In terms of scale, scope, numbers, and the enemy’s will to fight, the stakes are just as high, if not higher now, with the Islamic War confronting us. Anyone who believes we’re going to win this war without using nuclear weapons is a fool.
Don McKellar says
Trump knows where his power with the people comes from — it’s his clear-headed practical agenda –and the moslem ban is right up there on the list. What he’s doing now is finessing the idiots in the GOP who are bought and paid for by moslems, trying to make them think the door is open somehow. Trump still needs to get the nomination. And he also needs to make sure that there’s no “conservative” third party idiot nominee running out there who will ensure Hillary wins. To do that, he needs to unify the GOP enough that he gets the nomination and the election campaign starts — then it’s game on. No more waffling needed. It is all about the votes from the people again. The moslem ban is ON. He’s going to stick to his basic platform that brought him as far as he has gotten. But right now it’s not about the votes from the people, it’s about closing the deal of him as the nominee. It’s not over yet!
dajjal says
Your faith is unfounded. Trump is a chump; deceptive, opportunistic demagogue who can not be trusted.
Peggy says
Then vote for Hillary. Who’s stopping you?
dajjal says
Fools, felons and traitors will vote for Hillary. I live in Michigan, where the populous counties of the south east corner of the state are full of fools so my vote does not count. I will write in Ted Cruz. I hate Hillary &, Sanders with an ineffable passion but I can not vote for a lying demagogue.
gravenimage says
dajjal, it is your vote. With all respect, I really doubt writing in Ted Cruz will do much good, though.
dajjal says
Nothing can do any good in a state dominated by leftwingers & union goons. But I have a conscience. I will not knowingly vote for a crook.
Peggy says
I agree. He is saying what he needs to say for now.
dajjal says
Nobody needs to say anything. He nailed down a platform plank, now he has torn it up. That testifies to his lack of sincerity. If he needs the approval of RINOs, he does not need or deserve my vote and will not get it.
Debi Brand says
‘ agree, dajjal.
dumbledoresarmy says
I wonder whether he’s read Sun Tzu, and what kind of ‘ground’ he currently believes himself to be traversing.
Peter Charles says
Almost certainly he has. Executives in most large businesses are required to do so. One the other hand, Obama and Clinton have not. The Clinton’s, tho, seem to have a feral native intelligence for the deception and spying aspects.
Mitch says
When Trump said,
“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,”
he was talking about you, Don McKellar.
Debi Brand says
There is both a hell of a, as well as a significant, difference–to state the least–between a suggestion and a declaration.
Hence, at the following:
http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2016/05/donald-j-trumps-december-07-2015.html
THURSDAY, MAY 12, 2016
Donald J. Trump’s “December 07, 2015” Declaration on “Preventing Muslim Immigration”
dajjal says
excellent post, Debbi. I’d have combined the two for more immediate effect. I confess that I had not yet decided how to blog it.
Debi Brand says
Thanks, dajjal.
I lacked time to add anything beyond a title, nonetheless, I wanted to, minimally, get the two posted.
Debi Brand says
Robert, you are across the board correct in your statements above on the reason’s for Trump’s overwhelming support.
In short, for that reason and more, a few minutes ago, posted at https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/, the following:
dajjal says
Well done! I just commented on your great post to Chump.
Guest says
Cruz wouldn’t have backed off for anything.
Guest says
I told you all he had no idea what he was doing. You could have elected someone who really cared, who did everything he promised us he’d do, but instead of showing you cared as researched each candidate, you choose to believe Trumps lies. Well done Trump supporters, you killed our beloved country.
dajjal says
I regret to state that your analysis is correct. Unless there is massive voter remorse culminating in a delegate revolt at the convention, our fate is sealed.
This points out the necessity of due diligence, careful examination of candidate records and suppression of emotion in decision making.
Peggy says
You’re still free to vote for Hillary and so is the rest of America if Trump is so much on the nose. Nothing’s happened yet so don’t be so dramatic.
dumbledoresarmy says
There are nearly six months till the election.
You have a choice between totally and immediately disastrous (Hilary Clinton, with the sinister Huma Abedin at her elbow and whispering in her ear) or the potentially educable – Donald Trump, who has chosen *Walid Phares* as an adviser.
I think Phares is surely preferable to Abedin!
Get tweeting. If Trump receives thousands upon thousands upon thousands of tweets and other communications – including from face-to-face encounters, if that is possible for anyone here – ALL hammering on how important it is to lots and lots of Joe and Jill Publics, to have a BAN on further entry of Muslims into the USA, that should *surely* make an impression.
It’s up to *ordinary* people to try to pass on to him – and to his *staffers* – in their own words, the facts on Islam – jihad, sharia, deceit, dhimmitude – that people like Raymond Ibrahim (on Islamic deceit, most notably), Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Brigitte Gabriel, Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Patrick Sookhdeo, Mark Durie and Bat Yeor (on Dhimmitude), Mordechai Kedar (on JIhad, and hudna, and Islamic antisemitism), Andrew Bostom, and any number of others have unearthed and analysed.
Just do it and keep on doing it.
You have just under six months. And get to work on everyone you know. You have to tell them all exactly why *you* want a ban on Muslim immigration into the USA. Repeat, over and over, the keywords “playing Muslim roulette”.
When queried, refer to the Tsarnaevs – Chechen Muslim ‘refugees’ – and to the Fort Hood jihad massacre, by a Muslim Fifth Columnist within the US army. Refer also to the *attempted* jihad mass murder at Times Square on May Day some years ago.
The Muslim who plotted it and, thank God, *failed* – his bomb, though planted, did not detonate – was **an immigrant from Pakistan**. He had **taken out American citizenship BEFORE he hatched his plot**.
When he was criticised for having broken his oath of allegiance – the oath he took during his American citizenship ceremony – he responded, right there in court, without batting an eyelash – “I sweared, *but I didn’t mean it”.
So … Ockham’s Razor, confronted with *that*, tells us that the safest course of action – given the height of the stakes, that our authorities are gambling with, potentially, the lives of *thousands*, tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of innocent citizens – is to NOT LET ANY MORE MUSLIMS IN.
Because we can’t know which ones will pull a Fort Hood or a San Bernardino or attempt a Times Square car bomb. Or even if they don’t, what of their *children* or grandchildren? It’s the children of Muslim immigrants to the UK who are, right now, galloping off to Syria to cut off heads and rape little Yazidi girls. Or hatching plots to kill large numbers of non-muslim Britons.
Debi Brand says
“Cruz wouldn’t have backed off for anything.”
Precisely, to include his promise to fight for the Muslim to freely practice their religion here in our nation.
Chief part of that faith system, making “Allah’s” din the supreme din in the land. Bidding the fair, according to Shariah, forbidding the unfair. Just basic Islam. Tenets Cruz promised to fight for.
quotha raven says
I’ve just got this to say: If Trump totally backs off, USA has been taken for a ride by him not unlike the one Obama charmed many citizens to take…charisma, balls, outreach, empathy…
Is any of it real?
One more thing, though: Here’s how one answers the oft-posed question “what was HIllary’s main achievement during her term as secy of state?”
Investor’s Business Daily just came out with an article about Bill and Hillary’s $100 million “donations” and an additional $30 million she raised from Middle Eastern contacts while she was secretary of state. So there’s yer answer to THAT little question, not that we didn’t all know it anyway.
I’m thinking Trump’s still the better choice, and I just voted for him in the OR primary. Even though (god forbid) I might find myself ultimately totally misled.
Cheers!
quotha raven
Cheers!
Alexandra Pierce says
Oh, come on, people. He always was going to modify his stance on that, and I mean that as a good thing. If you pay attention at all to how the man operates, then you should notice that he approaches everything like it’s a deal to haggle about. You open with a high price you don’t actually expect to get, with the goal of being bargained down to a price you’re still going to be happy with. I think he knew perfectly well that he was never going to take the unconstitutional step of discriminating on the basis of religion. Who knows? He may even say, “Okay, you’re right. It’s wrong to put an immigration moratorium only on Muslims. We’ll have a moratorium on all immigration instead.” Whatever the case, I’d be willing to bet that his goal on this issue is based on openly acknowledging and confronting Jihad, including on an immigration level.
Always On Watch says
One more dramatic jihad attack on our soil, and Trump will no longer moderate his stance.
Bill says
Islam is hostile to liberty, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the First Amendment and each clause of the First Amendment. Sharia is hostile to all of the above and relegates the kafir (that would be all non Muslims) to dhimmi status. The immigration of “moderate” Muslims is more dangerous than the certifiably dangerous violent jihadis because the “moderates” will practice political jihad in order to dominate and subjugate the kafir.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
For the 10 MILLIONTH TIME: There is nothing-repeat NOTHING-‘unconstitutional’ about using ‘religious tests’, and any OTHER test deemed necessary, in determining immigration law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People are confusing/conflating such ‘tests’ with suitability for public office.
And not only CAN such ‘tests’ be used in re: Immigration, they MUST be used.
Now having said that: It would be perfectly constitutional to keep ALL muslims from running for office, because islam isn’t a ‘religion’. It’s a political ideology which-hello!-calls for the overthrow of the USA.
Jay Boo says
Excellent point Kathy.
That needs repeating
“Now having said that: It would be perfectly constitutional to keep ALL muslims from running for office, because islam isn’t a ‘religion’. It’s a political ideology which-hello!-calls for the overthrow of the USA.”
Alexandra Pierce says
*lol* You know, when I wrote that post, I thought, “I can just see it. Here come the shrieks about ‘Islam’s not a religion! WAHHHHH!’ I should head that off at the pass…” But no, I didn’t. I keep overestimating the amount of reason people here tend to apply to this subject…
Kathy….
Islam, whether you like it or not, is a religion. It’s based on claims made by a so-called prophet, his god, and comes with all the attending spiritual claims that go with it. And if you’re going to try demoting it on the basis of its political dimensions, then you’d better be prepared to have other religions classified that way, too, because once you try doing that to Islam, interested parties will eagerly leap on the chance to pick apart the tomes of Judaism and Christianity, and the claims of some of their devotees, in order to classify them as mere “political systems” as well. If you want to open that Pandora’s Box, by all means, go right ahead. I’ll buy the popcorn, lol.
Or you could just deal with reality, which is that Islam is a religion, and is going to be treated as such in the public square.
dajjal says
The principal purpose of Islam; its mission is neither theological, spiritual, nor charitable; it is mercenary. Islam was founded and operated as an income source for Moe. For the disgusting details, search for and read: “Islam’s Mercenary Mission”.
Islam is a predatory way of life having military, social, governmental and religious components. The religious component serves as a camouflage to prevent victims from recognizing it as a predator and as a troop motivator. For the disgusting details, search for and read: “What’s Wrong With Islam & Muslims?”.
the original religion of Islam is Jihad. Jihad is warfare against non-Muslims. Islam recruits and retains members by the sword. It is not the functional equivalent of Judaism or Christianity and should be treated as an Arab Mafia, which it is, not a religion.
Alexandra Pierce says
dajjal,
I’m quite aware of Islam’s issues, and have done plenty of reading on it, thank you. It’s abominable and ghoulish… and it’s a religion. From Merriam-Webster:
re·li·gion
rəˈlijən/
noun
Full Definition of religion
1
a : the state of a religious
b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2
: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3
archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
Many people of faith – any faith – associate “religion” only with religions they’re comfortable with. That’s their problem. And, as I said before (and it was my primary point), if you demote one religion on the basis of its political dimension, you open all religions to being characterized as mere political ideologies, too. Unless you really want to open the Pandora’s Box of granting power to the government to decide which already-existing religions are genuine and which aren’t, I suggest you snap out of your snit and face the fact that Islam is a religion and should be dealt with as such. And the best way to de-fang it, and ensure that no part of it is instituted, is to zealously keep religion and state separate. “Sorry, Muslims, but we don’t care that your religion has a bunch of ‘laws,’ or that you feel like your religious expression will be hampered unless you don’t to govern and/or be governed by those ‘laws.’ In this country, no religion is granted governing status of any kind, and if anyone breaks our secular laws in the course of practicing their religion, they’ll be charged with a crime. If you don’t like it, that’s your problem.”
That’s the only line in the sand we need to draw, and we need to bolster/enforce it. Your personal, emotional need to divorce Islam from your concept of “religion” is your problem.
dajjal says
Our founders unwisely accepted the traditional categorization of Islam as a religion even though Adams & Franklin knew what it is. Sane and reasonable people do not accept a “religion” that recruits and retains members by threat of death and commands them to wage war on the remainder of the human race.
Islam’s mission is mercenary and its method is martial. It declares and wages war in the name of a demon. No quantity or quality of sophistry will make me accept that or cause me to cease from disrespectfully demanding that it be outlawed.
Otherwise, it is only necessary to cast your criminal enterprise as a religion to justify it and protect it from scrutiny & prosecution.
Alexandra Pierce says
And, once again, you deliberately fail my primary point about handing government the power to decide which religions are “genuine” and which aren’t, or that maintaining strict separation of religion and state is all the bulwark we need, legislatively speaking, to negate Islam’s political dimensions. Instead, you re-iterate what most every JW reader already knows about Islam, like you’re a cult member chanting a mantra.
Your personal, emotional needs about the definition of religion are your problem and your problem only, and if you’d prefer to Quixotically tilt against the definition of religion because it makes you uncomfortable, then you’re part of the greater problem. There are effective ways to fight jihadism. Your approach isn’t one of them.
dajjal says
There is no need for government to judge the validity of Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. Those do not threaten anyone neither do they subvert the government,.
I repeat for emphasis: freedom of religions is for religions, not criminal enterprises disguised as religions! Religions have spiritual and theological purposes including the relations between God and man. They can not be proved. The existence of deity can not be proved. Those matters are taken on faith or not.
Islam stands alone for its mercenary mission and martial methods. Only Islam recruits and retains by physical force. Only Islam declares and is waging perpetual war. Only Islam declares, in its law, that “infidels may be attacked without provocation.”.
Defrocking Islam; lifting the veil of false faith; exposing its mission & methods, declaring it to be an Arab Mafia, casting it from the penumbra of free exercise clause protector and expelling & excluding Muslims are matters of national security.
The small minority of deranged nut cases who claim Christian scriptural justification for murder do not define Christianity. Their existence does not justify outlawing Christianity.
Honoricide, killing apostates, imperialism, genocide & terrorism are intrinsic to Islam, part of its definition and practice; established in its scripture, tradition and law. The practice of Islam is incomplete without them.
The fact that most Muslims, out of ignorance, cowardice or pragmatic considerations are not raising Hell yet does not justify allowing the continued existence of the war cult.
There is no possibility of determining which Muslim will detonate next or how soon. There is no possibility of protecting every soft target 14/7/365. Terrorism can only be stopped by removing Muslims from our midst and that can not be done while Islam and Muslims are under the penumbra of free exercise protection.
Those who love life, liberty, security and prosperity must rise up as one demanding that Islam be defrocked, outlawed, expelled and excluded. We must vote against congressmen and senators who continue to shield Islam from exposure and expulsion.
I am passionate about this because it is a matter of life and death. Just a few months ago 14 people were slaughtered and twenty more injured by a Muslim and his wife worshiping Allah with rifles in an office building. Once is enough.
Trico says
“were slaughtered and twenty more injured by a Muslim and his wife worshiping Allah with rifles in an office building.” Once is enough.
Where???
dajjal says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack
In an office bldg. run by the Health Dept. in San Bernardino Ca.
Alexandra Pierce says
*edit note* That should be, “fail to address”
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
When I wrote as I did, Alex, I meant that islam’s not a ‘religion’ in the legal sense. I should have clarified it better.
When courts decide whether something qualifies for tax-exempt status as a ‘religion’, they analyze as follows:
1. Does the ‘religion’ have a secular agenda, i.e., does it spend a lot of its time/money in the public political space?
2. Does the ‘religion’ endorse political candidates?
3. Does the ‘religion’ state political goals, for example: Do religious leaders (priests, rabbis, pastors, imams) specifically urge the overthrow of a government?
When the answer to these things is ‘yes’, then the ‘religion’-even WITH a theological/spiritual component-fails to qualify as a ‘religion’.
Islam is a ‘yes’ on all these fronts. Friday night ‘worship’ at the mosque is a free-for-all regular indictment (by name) of: America, Israel, etc. Islam regularly urges the overthrow of all secular governments. And islam spends the vast majority of its $/time supporting candidates and lobbying for specific laws/changes to laws.
You are right in citing that Webster defines ‘religion’ as it does. But that is not the legal test. I should have made that clearer, and I did not. I apologize for that omission.
dajjal says
While Islam seeks to impose its rule on the entire world [Muquaddimah Ch. 3] and destroy/supplant all non-Islamic regimes [maududi: Jihad In Islam, pg. 10] Its political and religious components are ancillary to its military/economic component. They serve to keep the Ummah together, in line and at war so that Moe and his successors have a constant flow of ganimah, fei and jizya with which to support themselves and their supplicants.
Islam is a continuing crime against humanity and should be treated as such.
Trico says
Did it ever occur to any of you that The Donald may be using his own version of taqiyya?
Before writing him off let every one contact him to re-educate him if that’s what is needed and he’s not just okaying possum.
i already did 2 days ago to let him kn of of the Muslim Mayor’s ties to The Muslim Brotherhood and his view that moderate Muslims are Uncle Toms.
If you haven’t seen this video already, you should.
Going back to 1980,you’ll see young businessman Donald Trump, decades before running for office, espousing the very same things he does today on unfair Trade Agreements, The US Economy, the US Veterans and more.
It will make you fall in love all over again with him. Don’t be so fast to write Trump off. Remember, this is Trump from 1980 in the video.
It’s proof Trump is not just “Playing Politics”.
Always On Watch says
Excellent video!
Trico says
EditsL
and he’s not just playing possum.
to let him know of of the Muslim Mayor’s ties to The Muslim Brotherhood
Always On Watch says
Neoncon “journalist” — and Islamophile — Michael Gerson keeps beating the drum that Trump’s statements about Muslim immigration are unacceptable and dangerous. See Trump’s ugly speech could lead people to think of Muslims as ‘less than human’. Read it — if you can stomach it.
Gerson and others in certain think tanks — organizations which are little more than GWB’s policy advisors who had to exit the White House in 2009 — are having fits over Trump. So, I conclude that when I got to vote in November, Trump is the better choice. We know what Hillary will do.
fedupAmerican says
Ted Cruz was the only Republican who did not wilt under pressure. That’s why everyone “didn’t get along with him.” He stood up against Obama and wouldn’t back down despite Obama shutting down the government and blaming it on the Republicans. Republicans voted for the wrong guy.
Ver Auger says
” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” – the First Amendment applies to all levels and divisions of government. Any government action which singled out any religion for “special treatment” would be struck down immediately by Federal Court. A constitutional amendment is required before any government action based on religion. The quickest amendment to be adopted (lowering the voting age to 18, which was not opposed) took over 3 months to be ratified by the required 3/4 of the states. If 13 or more states refuse to ratify, the amendment would fail. I am not an attorney, nor am I expressing my opinion; the above is based on general knowledge and open for corrections & comments.
Bill says
Islam is a political ideology with a body of law (i.e. Sharia) that has been codified and practiced for centuries. Islam is a political ideology that violates Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. Islam is a political ideology that is hostile to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the First Amendment and each clause of the First Amendment. There is no right to immigrate into the U.S. There is ample federal law to prohibit subversives from entering the U.S. “Moderate Muslims are subversive and hostile to the Constitution and seek to impose Sharia and apply it to us (kafirs) to subjugate us.
Trico says
“Islam is… hostile to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the First Amendment ”
–
Infidel, “he Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the First Amendment “” are of words written by man. The The holy Quran on which Islam is based are the words of Allah as spoken to the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Man’s words carry no weight when weighed against that which is written in the holy Quran.
Ver Auger says
Bill, the only reference to religion in Article 6 is: “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” which does not appear to disqualify any religion from claiming First Amendment protection. Again, what makes you believe that Trump’s proposal would not be struck down by a Federal court within 24 hours?
Trico says
what makes you believe that Trump’s proposal would not be struck down by a Federal court within 24 hours?
Islam has to be declared NOT a religion or at the very least not just a religion.
No religion kills you or wants to kill you because you opt out or switch allegiance to a different deity.
Islam fits the definition of a cult.
I submit that it is a demonic cult but one step at a time.
dajjal says
we can outlaw the Mafia. What’s the difference?
1. Islam is Arabic, not Italian: irrelevant.
2. Islam claims divine sanction for plunder.
3.Islam has scripture, cosmology & theology.
So we can’t outlaw Islam ‘cuz it has scripture, cosmology & theology? Since when is the Constitution a suicide pact?
Lift the veil, expose the Orc behind it and outlaw the damn thing!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
What outstanding points you make here Tri.
I have long thought that islam is PERFECT for a RICO charge. That’s a criminal charge, and it was designed-and works beautifully!-for ‘Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations’.
In fact the ‘Holy Land Foundation’ trial was based on just that legal theory. Any good federal prosecutor could easily nail islam on such grounds.
dajjal says
And Robert Spencer knows one with experience prosecuting terrorists; Andrew McCarthy would be an excellent A.G.
gordon miller says
This action by Trump shows he is quite slippery and foretells how he will act in his presidential role. What a disappointment. I was just beginning to come around to feeling positive about his nomination.
Trico says
What is wrong with all of you who are ready to abandon the Trump Army? You are condemning Trump based on your wild imaginings of something you read without knowing anything of Trump’s real motivations or intentions. You would make terrible Jihadists as you could not be trusted to wear a S u i c i d e V e s t, complete your Jihad, and go to Paradise therefore disappointing the 72 virgins that await you.
-Stop condemning Trump until you get Facts NOT Suppositions.
“Condemnation before investigation is the highest form of ignorance”. – Albert Einstein
duh_swami says
Like him or not, he’s the only show in town…If you really don’t like him you can always vote for the blond with the clot…
What he says now is not what is important…what’s important is what he will actually do if elected…
Richard Paulsen says
Sweden now worse than China and India. More men than women. That´s what the U.S.A. wants for the U.S.A.?
Don´t think that Donald Trump has changed anything. He just has pointed out the right problems. Still thesee attacks on him. I think that he is just a great and a brave man.
For example mentioning there are so many men arriving from muslim countries compared to women. 71% men.
Sweden being the most extreme country receiving refugees/immigrants or whatever they are being called.
Now more boys compared to women than in China and India in Sweden. It will not be levelled out.
In 2015 ages 16-17 years old 123/100 boys/women. China 117/100.
In 2015 71% males arriving..From Syria, Somalia, Afghanistan.
1000 years ago there were +124.713 women. 10 years ago + 79.000 women.
Just some 9,5 million citizens in Sweden. Compared to 1,6 billion muslims. Easy to change into a majority of muslims. It´s on its way. sooner or later with the politics at present.
That´s why the U.S.A. is so important to Sweden. Cause a change in the U.S.A. can hopefully result in a change also in Europe and Sweden.
Hopefully the U.S.A. will not go the same way. Not listening to those claiming this migration is the same as the one before which built the U.S.A. and has taken part in Europe from different countries in Europe.
Link. In swedish.
http://www.gp.se/nyheter/debatt/abnorma-antalet-unga-m%C3%A4n-ett-problem-f%C3%B6r-sverige-1.15076
Richard Paulsen says
Correction. 100 years ago, Not 1,000.
Richard Paulsen says
More men than women immigrate to Sweden. In December 2014 there was + 2,225 women.
in Dec. + 4,700 men.
In 2020 + 38,200 men.
Statistics differ, but the tendency is clearly pointing in the same direction.
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=4714042
duh_swami says
Why does the US ‘need’ any immigration at all? There was no immigration from 1924 -1965,,,During those there were no Islamic terror attacks in the US at all…
The ancient home of all Mahoundians is Saudi Arabia…Al buses full of Mahoundians refugee’s and immigrants should be redirected there…Allah would welcome them…wouldn’t he?
J.B. Books says
He’s learning the ropes…
Of course, he can’t make good on it as a “promise”…
He was voicing his feelings at the moment…
BUT, when he’s boss over ICE, the grunts can “read” his lips and use the “process” to turn away the bad ones.
Build big ships and send all the BAD ONES back to Saudi, Syria, Persia (let’s call it what it is) and let them learn a little about national responsibility and patriotism…
People get too hyper about this. The majority of the Muslims will dump the Koran, the Prophet and the whole Akbarian charade as quick as they can find they bite into their first Big Mac…
(Spence knows this..)
J.B. Books says
Omit “find” for edit…
J.B. Books says
Make that “find they”
Pretty slow coordination on this site…
Robert Spencer says
I don’t know anything of the kind. Big Macs, and Western popular culture for which your burger is a metonymy, are all over the Islamic world, and have never stopped jihad.
Debi Brand says
Well asserted, Robert.
It is not the burger or the fries in or out of the diet, it is–as this site speaks to daily–the “Book,” and that in it.
J.B. Books says
Well, I’m honored that the “mountain” speaks…
Of course, when moved, I take a “dig of the spur” to inspire some thought beyond the moment for the, uh, unwashed.
But, the echo-chamber format is therapeutic… for the moment only.
The “cause”, sad to say, goes beyond the “feel better” rush…
I’d like to share a few things, knowing your “sked” is a monster.
Synecdoche aside, how DOES one contact you …privately?
Peggy says
Agree, they have burgers and fries in the west and they still wage jihad here.
Angemon says
As well as special positions created just for them (like “community liaison officer” or some inane crap like that). And puzzling as it may be to the pundits and talking heads, those “moderate” muslims who are supposed to be shining beacons of “moderation” and the first bulwark against “extremism” end up covering “extremism”, if not being “extremist” themselves.
Debi Brand says
Indeed, Peggy.
If only we’d had given them a milkshake to boot, perchance, that would have swayed them away from the Book of Allah and the traditions of their “prophet.”
awake says
Trump is keeping all the media hacks off balance. It was a political suggestion from the stump. It could be a reality via executive order, at least temporarily, in the name of national security, but would likely be challenged in short order. A permanent moratorium of Muslim immigration to the US would need to come from the legislative branch, not likely, and upheld via the SCOTUS, also, not likely.
Trump or bust, regardless.
Bryn Fjox says
Heh, everyone!
CHILL OUT!
The sky didn’t fall!
The boat didn’t sink!
CNN started this.
Trump just met with the Conservatives for the first time for the briefest of talks.
He still is hands down, the best choice for Americans and the world as the next POTUS.
Put your appropriate-for-every-politician-always cynicism away for a moment and stay the course.
Its been a LONG TIME since there’s been a true patriot in office.
Trump claims to be that and he unabashedly shares the people’s contempt for the “system”. Plus, he shares the same concerns about the general state of affairs including the Islamist invasion and its cultural attack on the free world.
He deserves our undivided support and, the opportunity to have history prove him anything other than the patriot and economic master he claims to be.
He needs to be the one replacing the master illusionist still in office – who promised fundamental change and then turned the world’s lone superpower into: a record $20Trillion debtor, a defeated militarist, a covert supporter of Islamist uprisings and power and migration, and a world political strategist laughingstock; with manufacturing in-capability, huge trade deficits, and a disillusioned, deflated and under-employed/under-educated populace, infected intentionally with pockets of anti-American, anti-republic, anti-Christian Islamist cancer. That is without a doubt fundamental change – and fundamentally what America and its people did not deserve, but was gladly served up hot by the most anti-American POTUS in history. We do not need the illusionist’s assistant to carry on with this sad show.
STAY THE COURSE!
Trump is headed in the right direction.
This has no appearance of desire for prestige or power – he has that already.
Trump says he knows how to, “and wants” to, get Americans there – he wants to “Make America Great!”.
STAY THE COURSE & SUPPORT THE CAUSE!!
Angemon says
I, for one, am heartened and in good spirits. I never thought there were so many mind-readers in the CJ movement, but here they are, and assuring me that Trump is just saying what he needs to say to get into office. Never mind that he’s going back on one of the points that won him popular support, I’m have to believe what he said a few months ago instead of what he’s saying now because in only one of those occasions he was telling people what they wanted to hear and not what he actually feels…
Daniel Triplett says
I agree. He must speak toward closing the deal first. He’s a very smart man.
Either you see the problem or you don’t. He sees it.
The man is a fighter too, which is exactly the kind of CINC we need to win wars, in short order.
As he’s done with the robust Republicans he just handily ejected from the GOP Nomination, he hits hard at his enemies. Give him authority to use MRV-ICBMs, and this man can eliminate forever the Islamic threat, a war we are currently losing badly. We don’t have the money, time, military, nor method to do it any other way.
King Tut says
Robert, stop getting your news from Clinton News Network…
gravenimage says
King Tut, CNN’s political commentary is terrible, no doubt about that.
But their hard news is reputable. There is no reason to doubt this story, which has also been reported elsewhere.
Shane says
What Trump proposed was unconstitutinal; what he should say is he wants to stop all immigration from Muslim countries. That is doable. Especially stop immigration from Muslim countries where Jihad and Sharia are very popular, like Pakistan, Somalia, and Saudi Arabia!
Peter Charles says
What part of the Constitution would stopping muslim migration here until we can sort the refugees from the jihadis? Keeping enemy soldiers out of the country seems to me part of the reason we have the Constitution we have.
solange silverman says
OR he is biding his time and lying low until he is in office.
Let’s hope it’s the latter.
dumbledoresarmy says
I hope so too. My reason for so hoping is buried in the final paragraphs of this article – an interview with Trump, done by one Ron Rosenbaum, that was published way back in 1987, and then reprinted in the Spectator this year.
But it was first printed in 1987. 1987!
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/63778/Trump%2Don%2Dthe%2DThreat%2Dof%2DNuclear%2DProliferation%2Din%2D1987
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2016/03/trump_s_nuclear_experience_advice_for_reagan_in_1987.single.html
“…But it has largely been forgotten that Trump is not new to nuclear matters. He has been thinking about how he’d handle nuclear weapons and nuclear proliferation for more than a quarter-century, at least since 1987, when he claimed to me that he was “dealing at a very high level” with people in the White House (that would have been the Reagan White House) on doomsday questions…”.
And here’s the paragraph that matters (the subject of Pakistan’s then-nascent nuke project had been raised, in the course of the interview):
“…So what’s the solution? I ask him. How do you get the French to stop, how do you get French technology out of the hands of the Pakistanis at this point?
“I think you have to come down on them very hard economically or whatever way,” Trump says. “I think the solution is largely economic. Because there are so many of these countries that are so fragile and we have a vast power that’s never been used. They depend on us for food, for medical supplies. And I would never even suggest using it except on this issue. But this issue supersedes all other things.”
He pauses.
“I guess the easy thing would be to say you go in and clean it out.”
“Like the Israelis did with the Iraqi plant?”
**“I don’t necessarily want to advocate that publicly because it comes off radical. And you know, without a lot of discussion prior to saying that, it sounds very foolish and this is why I get very concerned about discussing it at all.”** {my emphasis – dda}.
dajjal says
Lenient measures worked so well! The Gooks and the WakiPakis got nukes and we got poorer. Yeah, right. 🙁
UNCLE VLADDI says
Robert:
Trump clearly desperately needs an anti-islam advisor to brief him on stuff before he opens his big yap all the time.
Why don’t you volunteer for the job? You’re an American, and I bet it’d pay well, too!
😉
quotha raven says
Uncle Vladdi – I second the motion! go for it, Robert, if there is a minute left free in your week! My goodness, what an opportunity.
Cheers!
quotha raven
dajjal says
Good pick, Unk., far superior to yer first suggestion. But Trump would not spend enough time listening to Robert, even if he did, he would not likely understand what Robert says.
quotha raven says
To Dakka; – Jeez! Who died and made you King Site Shrink? Your arrogant, sneery, assessment of Trump’s intellect and committment is based on….what?
Cheers!
quotha raven
dajjal says
BA° with a 3.8 avg in my political science science courses and decades of observing a few statesmen and numerous AssWholes running for and holding office.
As soon as I saw video clips of his previous interviews and statements and red his contribution record, I knew what he is.
R Cole says
I donno !!
Trump was meeting with Speaker Ryan yesterday.
And he had sent Ben Carson ahead to feel him out.
I take it efforts to ‘unify’ the party – in Speaker Ryan’s mind – did not include the Muslim ban!!
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CNN has been saying that all day – they are such idiots [80% they other 20% are alright!!]
On Fox News this morning Trump is still talking about putting together a commission lead by Rudy Giuliani to look at Muslim immigration as well as immigration from the southern border and in general.
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Interesting looking at the news coverage yesterday – which leads me to believe that Trump’s ‘suggestion’ comment – is a change in language – and that is one of the Senators or Rep, said he told Trump – that Trump should make sure that anyone who comes in is vetted. [Can’t remember the exact wording] But it was like he was teaching Trump political speak.
And that is reflected in what Ben Carson is going around saying today – Trump doesn’t know how to use the political language and tie things up in a ‘nice neat bow’ – which the politicians and the press understand well. But the people identify more with the way Trump talks now.
Notice Trump hasn’t read that Snake poem – since he bought that new adviser on board!!
https://youtu.be/rhqneAhyJkI
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The CNN guy this morning smelled a rat – the politician’s brother Chris Cuomo – was saying to a guest – shouldn’t we go after Trump for just saying that – even though he says he’s changed his mind!! A person just doesn’t say those things – if he doesn’t believe it…
They’re just grasping at straws – What Muslim Ban!!
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We can tell the London Muslim Mayor he can stay home!!
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Immediately after the SB shooting several politicians proposed banning people from those countries which hate American – like Pakistan – which was always a more viable solution. In addition such a ban has already been done. Determining what one’s faith is – presents enormous hurdles.
Debi Brand says
I can swear to the fact, if Trump starts back-peddling away from important issues and assertions he has tabled, chief among those issues the one in focus here, he will flat lose the support and votes of many who stood by him, voted for him, fought for him.
What’s more, if the Establishment believes, they can take Trump–and if Trump is foolish enough to allow them to twist and contort him into the Candidate they desire to have–make him the Candidate the establishment desires, and then retain the support of those who supported Trump for the issues he tabled, both of the said parties are fools.
dajjal says
Identity cards indicating whether the bearer is Muslim are issued by most states in Dar al-Islam. If the refugee from one of the issuing states has no ID card, send him back. If he has one with the Muslim box checked, send him back.
Put the refugee through a long, grueling . vetting process; when he is physically and psychologically exhausted, send him to two small rooms, one with a Lebanese Christian, dressed as a Muslim who greets the refugee with “As-Salaam-Alaikum,”. Record the reaction with a hidden camera. The second room, with a tray of sweets a Hasidim greets him with “As Samu-Alekum!”. Again, the reaction is recorded by a hidden camera. The cctv tapes will be easy to analyze.
Trico says
“dentity cards indicating whether the bearer is Muslim”
On the note of identity cards, are you aware of the National ID Act? Many Americans used to make fun of the old movies. ie: Casablanca: “May I see your papers please?”.
The criminals running the pretend government had passed the National ID Act. This will be a chipped ID card. You will not be able to leave your home without it. “May I see your ID Card please?” except they may not be so polite.
Everything is done in baby steps. Only recently have credit cards been chipped. At some point all credit cards will be. Passports are all chipped. Driver licenses are chipped but you can opt out…for now.All these are to get you used to the Chip technology. At first it’s sold as Convenience and Security in some cases. You exchange Privacy and Freedom for the Convenience & Security. Once you trade away your Privacy and Freedom , you ain’t getting it back.
It gets worse.
The National ID chipped card is the precursor to having the chip implanted directly into you. The chip will have ALL your info: ID, Health Info, Medical History, Medications you take, Employment Record, Bank info, etc and will be used for everything : banking, bill payments, paycheck deposit, shopping, taxes.
Once you’re chipped , the government can take what you “owe” directly no matter your situation. Be a bad “Citizen” and your chip can be turned off.
To support this total control over the People, the Obama Administration has made it illegal to feed the homeless.
The point of all the above is, it isn’t just the Muslims who will be tagged, Everyone will be. Muslims too!
quotha raven says
to Trico, who warns of chips and control.
At the other end of the totalitarian spectrum, Trico, is, for example, the Oregon legislature, which has just decided that requiring proof of US citizenship to register as a voter violates (illegal aliens’ ?) civil rights. Therefore, they are enabling jihadis and anyone else to become automatically registered voters. Hence, “motor voters” are made legitimate US voters. Sick, much?
Oregon is a very Leftist state, and this move on the part of our legislature indicates just how cynical the Democrats are. They assume, of course, that all the NON- US citizens will vote Democrat, as it is Democrats who are enthusiastically touting and distributing all the free stuff.
And the Left are right. It doesn’t concern them that they are supporting the destruction of the country that gave them a voice.
Or perhaps they are so eager to see this country brought down that they knowingly enlist the aid of jihadis to speed up its destruction.
To Democrats and Leftists, I say this (thank you, Mark Twain) “The large print giveth; the small print taketh away.” Be careful what you wish for!
Cheers!
quotha raven
Trico says
To quote quotha…I just wanted to say that. 🙂
Yes I had read about and seen examples of ads the Obama administration was placing in South American countries saying to “send your children to the US” where they will get everything free.
Ads were also placed in Chinese publications offering pregnant Chinese women to come and give birth here and get free medical care, etc.
Those illegals are to build the democratic voter base. All the tens of thousands or more of Muslims were flown in by UPS planes or just walked across the border uncontested. Border guards were told to stand down. Many have quit. A female border guard that tried to report this was told to stop. She didn’t and was arrested and spent a few years in prison before those helping her were able to get her released. That was in 2004, I believe.
The Muslims Obama brought in were all given fake IDs and Social Security numbers which many used to get tax refunds they didn’t deserve on top of everything else free they are getting.
Fed up, the 17,000 member: “National Border Patrol Council Endorses Trump for President – Breitbart”
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Google Headlines:
“”Obama reinstates ‘catch-and-release’ policy for illegal immigrants … http://www.washingtontimes.com/.”
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“13 Illegal Immigrants Arrested in California Wearing U.S. Marine Uniforms” -2011 Fox News Report
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Prison Time for Illegal Alien Who Crossed River to Rob other Illegal aliens” -Breitbart
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“Crossing the line: Corruption at the border”
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“Examples of Serious Crimes by Illegal Aliens’ -fairus.org
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“Undocumented immigrants lucrative for private prison companies”
-New York Daily News
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dajjal says
I do not advocate chipping and whomever tries to do it to me will lave a #12 4E up his or her arse so far they’ll need surgery to remove it.
My suggestion is to check the authentic ID cards of applicants for asylum / immigration Not carding or chipping citizens.
Peggy says
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
May 13, 2016 at 12:07 am
Omigosh Peg! Talk about a dream ticket! Tho’ if we’re going to dream, hey-Pam for President!
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Can you just imagine, not only the first female president but exactly what the US needs.
Let’s get back to what is more of a reality for now. Trump may have his faults and may not be as eloquent as sly Obama but the world doesn’t need window dressing. The world needs a man who cannot be bought by Islam money or any money. At least then we might have a chance of someone who believes in what he is doing.
If Pamela was right there beside him it would be perfect then.
Peggy says
Annak says:
And I certainly agree on Putin. Years ago I read he left the NWO and that is why BO and Merkel were out to get him. It interested me,
They started the Ukraine business, Putin started nothing but defended Assad’s authority being undermined by the wicked West. He was right.
However, his links to Iran are very disturbing.?
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I agree. Putin has been proclaimed to be a monster by the west and a lot of people have bought it.
The same west which is destroying us all on purpose tell us that Putin is so bad when they are bad for us. They intend to destroy our way of life.
Connections to Iran are a puzzle. We do know that Iran is an enemy of Saudi Arabia and that’s good but they are also an enemy of the west. Maybe if the west didn’t get into bed with SA Iran would not be as hell bent on hostility. Maybe, maybe not it’s such a complicated game that we may never know what’s driving Iran. One thing is for sure destroying Israel is not to be allowed so getting Iran under control should happen. Perhaps Russia has a plan there. Let’s hope someone has.
dumbledoresarmy says
Iran is Muslim. Iran’s *rulers* – heavily entrenched – are Muslim to the backbone. Sure, they’re Shiites and hate Sunnis like hell (hatred which is, of course, returned in equal measure) but they are even madder than the Sunnis. Yes, Iran has its brave and intelligent *apostates* – including the transcendentally-brave ‘underground church’ that somehow manages to *grow* – but… the great primitive mass of Iran is pickled in Islam. Shiite Islam not Sunni Islam, but… from the Infidel POV it’s like the difference between arsenic and strychnine, they both kill, nastily.
If you want to understand Islamic Iran, read the chapters on Iran in V S Naipaul’s “Among the Believers” and “Beyond Belief”.
When he’s discussing the Shiites, and Ali, is when he makes the *very* pertinent observation – an observation backed up by lots of old-fashioned scholars – that “Islam sanctifies rage”. Now… think of that. Think of that ecstasy of rage… and then throw nukes into the equation. Then feel the ice water flowing down your back, and your hair standing on end. It’s the Shiites who bloodily flog themselves and cut themselves with knives, at the ‘Ashura’ commemoration. They’re even madder, less rational, than the Sunnis… or it’s just a different degree of madness, of non-reason.
They *hate* America, they *hate* Israel… why? because both of those countries are quintessentially Infidel.
Israel is hated because… Jewish. Because on Jewish land liberated from the iron claws oof the Ummah and defended by sovereign Jewish arms; Israel is hated because it defies the Dhimma, because it is full of Jews who used to be despised, exploited Dhimmis.. and now are NOT.
America is to the 21st century as Byzantium was, 6th-15th century. Big and rich and beautiful and Infidel to the core, a pirate’s dream of plunder. And despite the ravings of ‘Christianblood’, America despite all the follies of many in its Islamophile diplomatic contingent and ruling classes still contains lots and lots and lots of Christians, lots of churches and crosses and ringing bells, especially in all the little regional towns that are now being infiltrated by swarms of Muslim ‘refugees’.
Here’s a very revealing story about Muslims… notably, an IRANIAN Muslim… in a street in a state capital in Australia, seven years ago.
Context: at the time Israel was giving Jihad Armed Camp Gaza a damn good – and richly-deserved- HAMMERING. And all the usual suspects were howling and wailing and anti-Israel hatefests, marked by hysterical Jew-hatred, were kicking off all over the West.
An Aussie paper, “The Age”, in Melbourne (incidentally, Melbourne has Australia’s biggest Jewish community) published a very nastily antisemitic op ed by someone whose name I do not now recall.
In response, a lady named Carolyn Overington wrote a slashing piece in a column in The Australian. There were Comments.
And one of those Comments was so striking that I copied it and kept it . I cannot unfortunately give an active link; the archive-keeping at the Australian is not very good.
Here is the comment, complete with time-stamp and date.
‘Jonathan Whybird
Mon 19 Jan 09 (05:24pm)
‘Excellent article Carolyn. I note the earlier poster who said that he/she has sent the article in question to the Anti-Discrimination Commission. I think The Australian should do this itself and report on the outcome – it would be very very interesting.
“Marcus (the expert on everything) {another commenter in the talkback – dda} I cannot agree with your view that most of the Palestinians [sic – dda] are peaceful people.
“On Saturday [17th Jan 2009] in Brisbane there was another demonstration in favour of Palestine at which anybody who bothered to go (I live in the city and they marched in my street so I had a front row ground level seat as my fiance and I had come back from a run) would have heard Muslim Australians chanting “kill the jews”.
” I even spoke to one protestor who confirmed he was Muslim and from Iran who said there would only be peace when Israel and the rest of the west was destroyed.
‘Now this man was supported by many of his fellow protestors who screamed with him, but for three men in the crowd who shook their heads and at that point left the protest (and apologised to us for the comments of the others).
{Nota bene, ladies and gentlemen, that the Jewhaters and ‘death to the west’ folks were the MAJORITY and that the real ‘tiny minority’ numbered exactly *three* – dda}
“When I asked the man why he hated the west he said “because you reject the prophet”.
“Please explain to me how this sort of behaviour should be tolerated?
” Also why is it that two weekends in a row have seen protests in their thousands against Israel – but the muslim community was silent over September 11, Bali [the Muslim bombing of a nightclub that killed many, many Infidel tourists and severely injured and permanently disabled many more – dda] and London?”
I trust Iran even *less* than I trust the Abominable House of Saud.
They’re both poison. One is a black mamba and one is a rattlesnake.
And as far as I know, btw, *both* seem to have had a hand, one way or another, in the mass-murderous assault on the USA on September 11 2001. The Saudis supplied the bulk of the actual *raiding party* – the hijackers – but I have come across references to Iranian involvement at other levels.
It was a pan-Umma effort.
Peggy says
I don’t trust either side of Islam either. They both hate us all with a passion. The only difference right now is the urgency with which we have to deal with the SA supported sides because they are the ones infiltrating our countries. We have to secure our homes first before we can secure the rest.
I am aware that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map. Problem for them is that Israel has nukes as well so they would be wiped off the face of the earth.
Yes, we have to make sure that Iran doesn’t get to use anything they have and so far they haven’t. Maybe they never will but first we have to defeat the enemy inside our home so that makes IS a priority.
Iran is dangerous but at the moment they are not the ones killing us in our own streets. Maybe Russia has a better handle on Iran than we do on the others. it certainly looks that way right now. All Iran is doing is threatening. The others are beheading us.
Let’s secure our own borders first and then deal with external problems.
dajjal says
If Iran nukes Israel and Israel vaporizes them in retaliation, that is just fine with the Mullhs; its their ticket to Jannah. All their sins will be forgiven, they will get two houris and 70 Christian women pulled from the fire to screw all day every day. The supreme success!
Fort Hood, Boston & San Bernardino could only be prevented by expelling and excluding all Muslims from our territory.
We must get them out of here, out of this hemisphere and out of Europe. We must destroy their Iman. They will not quit raising Hell until they quit believing or go there.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
I agree with you Peggy. As if we could trust either branch of the Religion From Hell! And I also second your point that we need, desperately, to SECURE OUR BORDERS. Just this past week we saw muzrats apprehended by the BP, and they had ties to terrorism…
I love Dajal’s comments just above. After Trump’s elected God willing: We’ll have an Exec. Order freezing muslim immigration, then surveillance of EVERY mosque in these United States. Followed by pulling the tax-exempt status of every single muslim terrorist ‘Civil Rights Organization’ in the country, aka CAIR, the MSA, and the hundreds of other unindicted co-conspirators named in the Holy Land Foundation case. Of course these things are just a beginning.
Dear God it feels good to hope again. God Save These United States-
Trico says
“t was a pan-Umma effort.”
Make no mistake, The Bush Administration was in on it up to George W. Bush’s Skull & bonehead.
Do you need proof?
gravenimage says
Trico apparently does not need proof. He is a 9/11 “Truthter”.
Trico says
“Trico apparently does not need proof. He is a 9/11 “Truthter”.
And a Proud Infidel too.
gravenimage says
Peggy wrote:
Maybe if the west didn’t get into bed with SA Iran would not be as hell bent on hostility. Maybe, maybe not it’s such a complicated game that we may never know what’s driving Iran…
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It’s not that complicated, Peggy. Don’t you know that the Islamic Republic of Iran is a Shari’ah state run by the Islamic clerics? They hate Infidels. The fact that they are Shia rather than Sunni does not change this fundamental fact.
Trico says
“it’s such a complicated game that we may never know what’s driving Iran”
Turkey is “driving Iran”.
Obama & Muslim Brotherhood are plotting Jihad in America (My claim, not JihadWatch).
Europe, Scandinavia are well on their way to becoming Islamic. Canada &New Zraland are in progress,
Turkey will emerge as the bid threat to Uran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Erdogan, Obama & Muslim Brotherhood will seek to create a Global Caliph and restore the Ottoman Empire.
Anyway, that’s how I read the tea leaves so far,
Trico says
Global Caliphate
Peggy says
That’s all true, but there is still a helluva lot more that we don’t know.
For instance, Muslim Brotherhood is in bed with Obama and Turkey is a NATO member which means US ally. So if Turkey and Muslim brotherhood and allied with the US how come they are also driving Iran which is as enemy of the US?
This is such a complicated game and the only common thing I see is that they are all devious and not to be trusted.
I can’t see how it is in Iran’s interest to create another Ottoman Empire with Turkey on top. There has to be more to this than what we think.
I doubt that Turkey being a Sunni country is in any way in charge of a Shiite county like Iran or driving it in any direction. Maybe, but it doesn’t seem likely when we take into consideration the level of hatred between SA and Iran. I think that Turkey is being backed by the US which Iran wants to destroy along with Israel.
You’re right about Europe Scandinavia etc. The whole world is in danger from Islam but how they all fit into all this is very puzzling.
Trico says
I misunderstood it when you said “driving Iran”
I believe the Unholy Trio: Obama, Erdogan & Muslim Brotherhood want to destroy Iran…and all the other Middle East & Islamic African Countries. They want the Pie for themselves.
And yes I know there is so much we don’t know. my comment is not gospel, just conjecture based on available info I’ve come across.
gravenimage says
Now Trico appears to believe that we are the threat to Islam. Good grief…
Trico says
“Trico appears to believe that we are the threat to Islam. Good grief”
?????????????????????????????
Peggy says
True, all of Islam is our enemy but I can’t see Iran and SA cooperating in any way. I think Iran has it’s own axe to grind with the US and probably for being in bed with SA which they hate.
I could be wrong and probably am but am truly confused how they all fit into this nightmare and what other motives drive them apart from the obvious one.
They all want to rule because they all obey Islam but at the end of the day have they decided on which side of Islam is that?
To us it doesn’t matter because the same fate awaits us if they succeed but Iran might have more than one reason to hate us. Not saying they are justified, just an observation.
Trico says
“reason to hate us”
We don’t believe in the prophet Muhammad
We don’t believe Allah is the one true god
we don’t regard the Quran as a holy book
United States foreign policy
gravenimage says
Muslims always have myriad reasons to hate the free world.
Trico says
“Iran is an enemy of Saudi Arabia and that’s good but they are also an enemy of the west.”
GeoPolitics is above my pay grade but I’ll ask this: Is Iran’s hostility towards the West because the West are Infidels or is their hostility really directed towards the pretend US government, the United States Of America, Inc the privately owned Corporation that through it’s agenda of Hegemony & Exceptionalism has exported untold mayhem and destruction to much of the World.
After 9/11, a report came out that detailed a plan to take down 7 Countries. Iran is on the list. Wouldn’t you be kinda upset with someone looking to take you out?
By the way, this report was prepared well in advance of the 9/11 attack.
This was the Cabal’s plan to take control of all the Middle Eastern oil producing countries. They wanted the other natural resources too.After that, they wanted to take over Russia, China and basically Everywhere. Their plans got stalled and by now should be derailed.
Look up:
Global Warfare: “We’re going to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran.” -Video Interview with General Wesley Clark
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“0:03 / 2:12
General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned – Seven Countries In Five Years
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Note:General Wesley Clark is a Retired 4-star U.S. Army general
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How do you like your fake Us government?
dajjal says
At wikipedia: “first Barbary War”
In Sahih Bukhari: 4.53.386.
Get clues.
Patti York says
I just listened to an interview with Trump from Friday May 13. In it he states that ALL of his proposals
are suggestions at this point because he is not the president yet. He also said that he and Guiliani have
plans to form a commission on terror in which Guiliani will head up. I dont see this as back tracking.
dumbledoresarmy says
Bear in mind, too, that the late great Oriana Fallaci liked and respected Rudolf Giuliani.
gravenimage says
Rudy Giuliani was a rock after 9/11. Among other excellent things, he told that vile Saudi Sheikh what he could do with his check.
KathYes y Brown, Esq. says
Yes he was Graven, and Dumble! I remember it so well!
And honestly: You have to be a New Yorker to know this-but he also performed a MAJOR miracle, in cleaning up the Times Square area…
You know the old movie ‘Taxi Driver’? When the [from out of town] De Niro character takes Cybil Shepherd to what he thinks are, ‘the movies’, but are really porn flicks? Well: That was ALL the Times Square area. It was a filthy gutter of porn: Revolting movies, peep shows, vagrants handing out fliers on the street to sex-acts, just the pit of Hell itself…
And Giuliani said he’d ‘clean it up’. And he DID. You can’t possibly understand how astonishing that was, unless you lived there.
And when he told that oily sheik to shove it? We were just DELIRIOUS.
Now other than the muslims and transforming NYC, well, Rudy’s hardly conservative at all. But still, those two things? As The Donald would say, ‘That’s HUGE!’
Peggy says
dajjal says:
We must get them out of here, out of this hemisphere and out of Europe. We must destroy their Iman. They will not quit raising Hell until they quit believing or go there
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You will get no argument from me on that one. I’ve been saying this for a long time now.
dajjal says
So, Peggy, how do we prevail upon a President & Congress to identify the ideas of Islam that render it inimical and declare war on them? What is the strategy and what are the tactics for destroying their Iman as per “The Quranic Concept Of War”: 60?
Peggy says
Sadly, I am not a strategist but what we can do is keep writing to our members of parliament (congress) and keep trying to educate people around us. Hopefully then they will write to them as well. It doesn’t hurt to send references to our claims.
Let them know we are fed up and give them information we have. Now I suspect that they already know the dangers but are either bought or intimidated into the policies of today. For the ones who just maybe don’t know yet our information sharing with them should help and for the others our determination to be heard just might help.
dajjal says
Bring back the HUAC and aim it at Islam. And start an Anti-Islam Party.
hmmm says
Trump’s suggested temp ban on unvetted muslims matches what he first proposed during the first round of debates. i am not following your point here. He has not been elected yet, but surely writing to him to clarify public support for his proposal would help immensely. clearly Trump gets it:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-refugees-will-launch-911-style-attacks/article/2591402
Trico says
Is this Dump Trump diatribe on JW happening organically or is it being promulgated by DAT agents? Be aware of DAT agents.
So many of you here call Donald Trump shallow based on a news headline or article you read completely obliterating from your mind that the Media is doing anything and everything to derail Trump by biased and “reporting” and slanted Media coverage.
And it’s working based on so many of the comments here. None of you are Trump insiders or Political Strategists. Me neither. But I at least have the sense to wait and see what Trump will do once he has the Power to do something. If in your wild imaginings you think Hillary will address the Islamic Jihad you are dreaming. The same applies to Ted Cruz whose real last name should be Bush, They are all Cabal puppets and it’s the Globalists Cabal that structured this Muslim invasion in the first place: to destroy Western Civilization, wipe out Christianity, Judaism and Atheism, eliminate the races to make way for aOne World religion, a One Race of people, a One borderless World State under a One World Totalitarian government and EVERYTHING under the One World New World Order.
It’s not Donald trump who is shallow. It’s you who are so ready to abandon Trump and flee before the battle has really begun. You are the fleeing soldiers who wind up getting shot in the a s s and then demand a Purple heart for your treachery.
Peter Charles says
Don’t forget that Hillary has already been paid off to the tune of 100 million dollars plus by the muslim states.