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UK convert to Islam jailed for trying to take her children to live in the Islamic State

May 23, 2016 3:30 pm By Robert Spencer

There are no doubt many more Britons converting to Islam than Muslims in Britain converting to Christianity. The mainstream culture is weak and flaccid, with no features to attract outsiders. By contrast, the nationwide appeasement and accommodation accorded to Islam makes it appear to many Britons to be the strong horse and the wave of the future. And unless there is drastic change there, that is exactly what it is and will be.

Lorna Moore

“British Muslim convert jailed over plan to take children to Isis in Syria,” Press Association, May 23, 2016 (thanks to Lookmann):

A British Muslim who wanted bring up her children under Islamic State in Syria has been jailed for two and a half years.

Lorna Moore, 34, was planning to take her three young children, one of them 11 months old, to the war zone.

Moore, a Muslim convert from Walsall, West Midlands, failed to tell authorities her husband, Sajid Aslam, 34, was about to leave for Syria.

Ayman Shaukat, 28, was also convicted of preparing terrorist acts by helping Aslam and another Muslim convert, Alex Nash, 22, on their way.

Sentencing at the Old Bailey, the judge, Charles Wide, described Moore as a very strong character, and said she “knew perfectly well of [her] husband’s dedication to terrorism”.

“One of the troubling things about you is your facility for telling lies,” he added. He said Moore had told “lie after lie” to the jury during her trial and that some of her evidence was “nonsense”.

She was sentenced to two years and six months imprisonment.

Shaukat was jailed for 10 years with a five-year extended licence while Nash was jailed for five years with a one-year additional licence.

At the time of Aslam’s departure in August 2014, Moore had taken the rest of the family on a Butlin’s holiday in Skegness. The day after dropping Aslam off at the airport, Shaukat sent a photograph of himself on his mobile phone posing with the Isis flag.

As Aslam crossed into Syria, he sent a triumphant message back to Shaukat in the form of a video link to a song called I Made It by Cash Money Heroes.

Within months, Moore had booked flights to Palma and Majorca, but her final destination was given away in a text from Nash’s pregnant wife, Yousma Jan, 20, in Turkey, saying “see you there”.

Moore insisted she would never put her children’s lives in danger, adding: “They mean the world to me.”

She claimed her relationship with Aslam ended after he became abusive and they only lived together for the sake of the children, who are now aged three, nine and 10. She told jurors that when she turned to a Muslim cleric for a divorce, he told her that a “white Muslim is not a special Muslim” and she must take her husband back.

Shaukat, of Pargeter Street, Walsall, denied helping his friends join Isis by dropping Aslam and Nash off at airports.

The convicted burglar and law graduate was nicknamed Karma Chameleon because he presented different versions of himself to jurors and his home in the Caldmore area in Walsall is known locally as Karma.

He described Isis as evil and said he told MI5 he would “assist in any way [he] could” after agents contacted him as treasurer of the community group Islam Walsall. Other members of the West Midlands group allegedly set off for Syria between July and December 2014.

The first to join Isis was Muslim convert Jake Petty, 25, also known as Abu Yaqoob Britany. His mother, Sue Boyce, a Christian minister, wept as she told jurors how she begged him not to go and later had to identify his body from video footage on social media after he was killed in December 2014.

Petty was swiftly followed by former schoolmate Isaiah Siadatan, 24, whose pregnant wife, Kerry Thomason, 24, was prevented from joining him. He had sent her an email in December 2014 insisting that she should bring their children to him to live in Isis territory….

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  1. Keith says

    May 23, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    The children should have been removed from them, placed with new families with new names and new identities, non muslim of course. The parents should then have been allowed to proceed to Syria.

    Harsh I know but they would have got what they wished.

    • linnte says

      May 23, 2016 at 6:28 pm

      I agree. Remove the children! Will she get them back after her prison stay? Probably , and that is WRONG! This isn’t like a simple felony, this is putting all of her children at risk. Stupid stupid woman!

    • Marty says

      May 24, 2016 at 10:12 am

      Not remotely harsh.
      Very wise & very humane.

  2. mortimer says

    May 23, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    Most converts to Islam leave after two years upon discovering the inherent absurdity of Islam, its Arab racism, its hatred of kafirs, its intolerance of other points of view, its abuse of children and women and extreme misogyny.

    Lorna Moore is likely to come to the conclusion herself that Islam is not right in the head and neither was she in falling for it. Islam is a grandiose hoax and very evil.

    • Baucent says

      May 24, 2016 at 9:18 am

      Will she? She can’t stop lying.

  3. mortimer says

    May 23, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    Old Bailey judge, Charles Wide said, “One of the troubling things about you is your facility for telling lies,” he added. He said Moore had told “lie after lie” to the jury during her trial and that some of her evidence was “nonsense”.

    Your Honour, the ‘nonsense’ of which you speak is SACRED PREVARICATION called ‘taqiyya’.

    All judges need to learn the doctrines of TAQIYYA, MUDA’ARAT, DARUNA, KITMAN (and other devious techniques of normative Islam) before they are prepared to try a Muslim.

    A jihadist has a DUTY to lie.

  4. Ted Tyler says

    May 23, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    I would like to ask her two questions.

    1. Why did you convert to Islam?

    2. Why would you want to join ISIS?

    If we don’t know her thinking process, then out ability to combat Islamization is significantly diminished.

    • Joanne says

      May 23, 2016 at 5:49 pm

      Great point. I have started listening to a few Muslim converts’ stories on YouTube. Their reasoning still eludes me a bit. I need to listen to more. But I think Robert Spencer is correct about western societies being “weak and flaccid.”

      Along those lines, I find this interesting : “Abu Yaqoob Britany. His mother, Sue Boyce, a Christian minister…” I think a lot of our cultural weakness and degradation can be attributed to the Church’s going off the rails in a multitude of ways.

      • Ted Tyler says

        May 23, 2016 at 6:52 pm

        On March 9, 2016, I reviewed a book by Angela Walden entitled: “How & Why I converted to Islam”. My review may be too long for here – but I try to show what she is thinking – or at least what she wants us to think that she is thinking:
        Top Customer Reviews

        2.0 out of 5 starsLarge difference between Angela’s view of Islam and the reality of Islam today
        By Ted Tyler on March 9, 2016
        Format: Kindle Edition Verified Purchase
        Brilliant writing for the Muslim Apologists. Angela’s 10 page “book” can be summarized as follows: ” I was desperately searching for God. In Church they could not answer my questions and I was terribly confused by the dual nature of God/Jesus. i saw Muslim football players who went to Mecca and I liked their wives. Now I have found Islam and I am now at peace with the world.”
        So if you want any deep philosophy of religion, you will not find it with Angela. Brent D. Green is spot on with his mini-review “Canned Garbage….” Also Truth Revolt’s review “They will kill you if you leave Islam” is spot on – with respect to defining the religious mandates of Islam. Angela, like George Bush, gives the illusion that Islam is a “Religion of Peace” when in fact the propagation of Islam has been marked by bloody and/or subversive Jihad.
        Since Angela does not make clear to me exactly how or why she converted to Islam, I tried to make a summary by taking notes as I went through the book. I took direct quotes, did paraphrasing, or even make comments. That should give you an idea of her thought processes. the Book is truly worth the price.

        How and Why I converted to Islam by Angela Walden (2014)

        In “Seeking God: My Journey as a Christian” Angels shows some emotional instability by stating “My entire history in church & with God had been based on Guilt, shame, & confusion”.
        During prayer, she had issues of doubt and confusion. She asked questions of the preachers that they could not answer. She was confused over the God/Jesus duality. She wanted to worship God in a way “that was most pleasing to Him”. But do we pray to God or do we pray to Jesus. Gosh, this is so terribly confusing for me – I just don’t know what to do!
        Many times after a service I would come down to the alter and confess that I was a sinner and needed Jesus to be saved but I never felt cleansed of my sins. When I was not transformed, my family was critical of me. I felt hopeless. I could never be good enough for God or for my family. I was damaged. I ran toward God, but I could not reach Him.

        Hit the Floor…Waiting

        I was depressed and decided that I had to go directly to God. I believed that I had to humble myself. I went to my room and put my head on the floor. I felt hopeless and I was willing to wait there until the end of the world. I desperately search for God, I am humble and I am an open vessel for God.
        I went through the Bible again, with prayer, seeking God’s guidance. I tried to be a better person. I tried and I prayed.

        An Unexpected answer to My Prayers

        I saw a TV program about two Muslims who gave up football careers to do make the pilgrimage to Mecca. They fasted during Ramadan and Allah and obedience was the center of their lives. They had beautiful wives even though they were covered head to toe and I could not see them! The wives spoke beautifully and joyfully about Islam, so I had to find out more about Islam:
        1. Allah is the same God the Christians and Jews worship.
        2. Allah is a single God and Jesus and Mohammed are prophets.
        2. Muslims believe in Jesus and other people from the Bible
        3. Muslims stop at specific times in the day to pray.
        4. the pilgrimage to Mecca is called the Hajj.
        5. Islam is a religion of peace. Muslims believe in having the best manners.
        5a. Muslims believe that there is a reward from God for treating women with respect.
        5b. It is against Islam to make fun of other religions.

        After studying Islam for several weeks I believed that there is ONE God! I finally understood the difference between Jesus and God. Now all the confusion and gilt was gone! Now I didn’t have to make a “show of my faith” or live up to people’s expectations. There was peace in my heart for the first time ever.

        Renewed Faith, Hope, and Joy

        After doing my own thorough research, I contacted mosques in my city and found many American women there. None of the women there converted to Islam to get a man. They were intelligent, free-thinking, had sought out knowledge, and had chosen Islam.

        I met people who love each other and help each other for the sake of Allah. Muslims believe that there is a reward from god for even the smallest kind act .. even smiling.

        The main difference between Islam and Christianity is that Islam does not try to convert others or convince them of your religion. There is a verse in the Koran 2-256 the states: “there is no compulsion in religion…….” I choose to leave people alone and respect their beliefs. I have encountered problems with other people because of their misconceptions about Islam.

        In prayer, when I assume the most humble position possible, I feel joy. I believe in respect for people of all religions and of no religion. We each have the right to follow our own unique path and none of us deserve hatred or violence”.

        So Angels Walden is propagating the illusion that Islam is a religion of peace. Unfortunately, too many people will read her stuff and believe it.

        • ECAW says

          May 24, 2016 at 4:20 am

          These accounts of conversion generally seem to be explained more by psychology than theology with, at least from the ones I’ve seen from women, a strong element of masochism. Come to think of it there seems to be a chain of sadism and masochism all the way down from the arch-sadist Allah to the Stockholm Syndrome type women who assure us how well women are treated in Islam.

          They remind me of Eric Fromm’s book “Fear of Freedom”.Cats like to curl up into a constricted enclosure. Some seeds need compressing with a boot. Some people long for a box to live in with no personal responsibility just the requirement to follow orders.

        • Ted Tyler says

          May 24, 2016 at 5:02 am

          Thanks for the “Fear of Freedom” reference.

          Psychology is the major part of conversion. First you must propagate the myth that Islam is a religion of peace and then you must prey on a person’s psychological weaknesses to drive the message home. We should be looking at recruitment videos to see how the Jihadists can get into the mind of a susceptible individual.

          I recommend “The Manipulated Mind” by Denise Winn (1983), Oldie but goodie – and shows how captured American soldiers can be brainwashed by communists. The bottom line here is that all “normal” people can be brainwashed. Isolate a person for a week or more and a normal person will desire some form of human contact – even contact from an abuser!

        • Eu says

          May 24, 2016 at 5:01 am

          I gather that : this woman was mentally unhealthy , unbalanced . Probably suffered from depression , anxiety … What she says of his search for God , to be more connected , the incomprehension about the duality of father and son … says now , being Muslim and justifying the decision . I hope she journey and see what is Islam.
          the kind of society that creates, machismo, avoidant personality , submission … but probably not enough .

        • CTL says

          May 24, 2016 at 6:27 am

          When can I laugh ?,
          I quote,
          I saw a TV program about two Muslims who gave up football careers to do make the pilgrimage to Mecca. They fasted during Ramadan and Allah and obedience was the center of their lives. They had beautiful wives even though they were covered head to toe and I could not see them! The wives spoke beautifully and joyfully about Islam, so I had to find out more about Islam:
          Football careers ( PLENTY OF MONEY THEN)
          Had beautiful wfes ? but could not see them , ( SHE MUST HAVE BEEN BLIND ) covered head to toe , . ( HOW WERE THEY BEAUTIFUL ?)
          But what put the spoke in was this part of what she said , I quote,
          I could never be good enough for God or for my family. I was damaged. I ran toward God, but I could not reach Him.
          How does her family believe that you can just flick a switch and be with YHWH in an instance , Patience is a virtue ,
          I believe that was the start of the jounrney down the wrong path ,
          I pray for her that she has or will come back to YAHUSHA , .

        • Jay Boo says

          May 25, 2016 at 2:04 am

          Ted Tiresome
          Anti-Christian Atheism peddler.

          Allah is not Allah is the same God the Christians and Jews worship.
          (Yeah I know — you were only quoting her)
          Same with the other ALLAHU Islamo BS
          Who is Allah?

          WHO ? …Allah who ?
          —- Lucifer

          Lucifer ?
          …Allah Lucifer ?
          Yeah,
          …. Oh Yeah
          Un huh

          Lucifer … Oh Yaaaaaay yuh !

        • Ted Tyler says

          May 25, 2016 at 5:06 am

          Jay Boo, It is always refreshing to see you posts as they reflect a clear understanding of the world and always give us suggestions as to how we can slow down the Islamization of our civilization.

    • Marty says

      May 24, 2016 at 10:21 am

      Very good questions.
      I’d suggest these two answers.
      1. In the West, converts to islam are usually petty criminals from ethnic minorities
      who lack the decency to reform & want to join the largest & most violent
      criminal organisation the world has ever known.
      In the case of (dim) women, they sometimes marry a mohammedan & are forced to
      convert.
      2. IS represents islam at its purist. Modeling itself on Saudi Arabia, the most
      evil place on Earth (pace North Korea, Iran & Pakistan).
      The Saudis are not seen as pure enough by their progeny & so IS is getting back to basics
      with no trimmings.
      Humankind should curse for eternity every politician who sells the Saudis any technology
      beyond the tricycle.

      • Ted Tyler says

        May 24, 2016 at 11:11 am

        Thanks for the contribution. I suspect that the answer to #1 would actually be a long list. There would be many factors and some factors would apply more strongly to some people than to others.

        a. I really don’t understand what fundamental Islam is.
        b. I have fear of freedom and want to be told what to do.
        c. I like alpha males and bad boys
        d. I feel a need to be punished and degrade myself.
        e. I have a need to give myself totally to a cause to give my life meaning.
        f. I have a bad feeling when people across the street look at me funny.
        g. I have been told that I should kill anyone that insults Islam.
        h. I have intestinal problems when ever anyone mentions ham.
        i. I have a family that is all Muslim and I don’t want to be alone.

        OK, I think that I am grasping a bit here – but different people will have different motivations.

        • Concerned Indian says

          May 24, 2016 at 11:25 am

          Yes,T T you have scored abull’s eye.But every case is different.Many times there is a rebel who does not fit in the family or society around,feels lonely and gravitates to someone who appears to offer a shoulder.I don’t wish to appear frivolous but note the difference between Lorna Moore and the Muslim man.He is ugly and looks maniacal.Yet,she liked him.This can’t be dismissed lightly.There should be thorough investigation done by psychologists to ascertain her reason to fall for this creature.This way some conclusions could be drawn,such weak or lonely,misled women can be zeroed in on and your society can be saved from further assault by Islam.It’s not the ISIS/Al Qaida but seemingly innocuous people like her husband who will implode the society one day.The Muslims won’t have to fire a single bullet then.The nationalist party/parties should take it upon themselves since any strong words and actions will get them into trouble,as it’s being mulled in Austria.So agitation is not the way but this “compassionate” way is.Slowly they might be able to wean such weak women away from Muslim lovers.These regular guys in your society are more dangerous.

  5. Champ says

    May 23, 2016 at 3:56 pm

    Moore insisted she would never put her children’s lives in danger, adding: “They mean the world to me.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Add this to the list of the *many* lies she’s told!

  6. Angemon says

    May 23, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    “One of the troubling things about you is your facility for telling lies,” he added. He said Moore had told “lie after lie” to the jury during her trial and that some of her evidence was “nonsense”.

    It’s almost as if she believed it’s OK to lie to infidels or something like that…

  7. Hindu American says

    May 23, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    Finally, one gutsy English judge.

    About some of the other above comments on “lies”, well folks for a momeen, there are lies, bloody lies and islamic lies. No prizes for guessing which category of lies will not take you straight to hell.

  8. WorkingClassPost says

    May 23, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    Some of these parents should get together in a class action against the media, govt and clergy, who are all complicit in the loss of their children, by saying that islam is a religion of peace.

    There must be a lawyer somewhere who would take it on.

  9. PRCS says

    May 23, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    I wonder if David Cameron thinks she got Islam all wrong.

  10. Walter Sieruk says

    May 23, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    That Muslim women by trying to take her children out of Britain and then take them across and over to the Islamic “state” to “live”,or better termed to “exist,” is child abuse It’s also exposes just how terribly blind and ignorant she really is about the brutal ,cruel and heinous nature of ISIS. To try to force her child to the lands under the control and power of ISIS means, in reality, that her children’s future would be a living nightmare that would only go from bad to worse to the worst. If that mother is actually so extremely blind and deluded and naive to the extent that she can’t see the about the reality of ISIS it then means two things First.,she’ an unfit mother. Second, if in her delusional error-filled Islamic way of thinking she has some kind of insane “good intentions”, then it shows old saying is true. Which is that “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

  11. linnte says

    May 23, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    And God forbid that one if her children should be a GIRL. She would be condemning that girl to horrors.

  12. Eu says

    May 24, 2016 at 6:59 am

    I think that woman converted to Islam in the same way that could have gone to yoga, she thought that Islam would bring peace to her mind. The difference is obvious for a healthy mind , she has fallen into a destructive cult . Perhaps she now spiritually alive , demure .. but she or her children will suffer the consequences.

  13. vivienne Havalant-leijonhufvud says

    May 24, 2016 at 8:58 am

    They say ‘Love is blind’ in the case of this stupid cow never a truer word spoken even though it is a cliche!

  14. John A. Marre says

    May 24, 2016 at 10:09 am

    Anyone who adopts the violent ideology of Islam should be stripped of their citizenship and expelled from the country.

  15. Concerned Indian says

    May 24, 2016 at 10:13 am

    the last word should be “trend”.

  16. FuturePresident says

    May 24, 2016 at 1:25 pm

    Her children better be in foster care even after she gets out of jail. She’s unfit to be a mother.

  17. dumbledoresarmy says

    May 25, 2016 at 8:47 am

    A useful book is Rosemary Sookhdeo’s “Stepping into the Shadows: Why Western Women Convert to Islam”.

    Something to bear in mind: Muslims, like all Abusers, have a very finely-tuned ability to hone in on potential prey, people who are vulnerable for one or more reasons.

    *All* destructive mind-control cults are very good at scoping out their targets (just like con-artists are).

    A further remark – there is in the ‘atmosphere’ in modern western society at present a *great* deal of what i call Islamopuffery aimed at making Islam and conversion to Islam appear ‘cool’ and ‘exotic’ and fashionable and exciting; whilst at the same time an avalanche of mockery and scorn is heaped upon Christianity (in particular, any aspect of Christianity that is counter to the Zeitgeist).

    And a final thought: I wonder whether anyone has had a go at doing a literary and psychological comparison between books like the one described and analysed above by poster Ted Tyler – Angela Walden’s “How & Why I converted to Islam” – and books such as Hannah Shah’s “The Imam’s Daughter” or Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s “Infidel”.

    Might be an interesting exercise. Compare and contrast: testimony of a westerner (whether male or female) who has converted to Islam, whether from a secular or semi-practising Christian background, with testimony of a person, whether male or female, who has *left Islam* and converted to Christianity, or else become a declared atheist/secularist along classical western lines.

    I wonder what might emerge from such a study?

    • Concerned Indian says

      May 25, 2016 at 9:35 am

      Thanks for this reference( Rosemary Sookhdeo).I was looking for such information since many in the U.S. and U.K.( especially women) have converted to Islam.One woman gone=one family gone to them.I might skip Ms.Walden’s book totally.

      • Ted Tyler says

        May 25, 2016 at 10:29 am

        On Amazon, Rosemary Sookhdeo’s book had only a single 1-star review. Apparently the reviewer thought that the book did not go into enough detail. I ordered the book and will do my own review.

        The Angela Walden “book” is essentially a statement of cluelessness by Angela and therefore not very interesting; however, the various reviews of that book are interesting.

        • Concerned Indian says

          May 25, 2016 at 10:41 am

          Thanks again,T T.,I have already ordered the book by Dr.Sookhdeo,

          Please let me know when your review is ready.
          Very disturbing trend- these conversions.

        • Ted Tyler says

          Jun 24, 2016 at 6:16 am

          My review of Stepping into the Shadows – Why Women Convert to Islam – is now on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Stepping-Into-Shadows-women-convert/dp/0954783573/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1466762972&sr=1-1&keywords=stepping+into+the+shadows

        • Concerned Indian says

          Jun 24, 2016 at 6:57 am

          Thanks again,T.T. Browsed through the same now.Regards,

  18. G P says

    May 25, 2016 at 9:51 am

    ‘he told her that a “white Muslim is not a special Muslim” and she must take her husband back.’

    Imagine the look on her face when she heard that.

    This comment should be circulated widely so that all self-hating Western women can’t say they haven’t been warned.

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