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Video: Robert Spencer on how to defeat the jihad

May 30, 2016 11:52 am By Robert Spencer

At the David Horowitz Freedom Center’s West Coast Retreat in Rancho Palos Verdes, California on April 9, 2016, I was on a panel with Bruce Thornton and Richard Miniter on “How to Defeat the Jihad.” Here is a transcript of my remarks; for those of Thornton and Miniter, go here.

Robert Spencer: I have to apologize to you straight up because I’m a little bit distracted this afternoon. I was talking to my wife just before I came to the hall today and we’re having a little trouble with her brother. He thinks he’s a chicken and I said to her, “You know, we’re going to have to have him committed” and she said, “I would but we need the eggs.” And that about sums up the Obama administration’s foreign policy. They won’t call Islamic terrorism, Islamic terrorism. And Obama has said I won’t call Islamic terrorism Islamic terrorism because that will only empower and embolden and validate these people, who are not Islamic, who call themselves Islamic and wrap themselves in the mantle of this noble and peaceful religion.

So I ask you, imagine if you were a Muslim and you were about to join ISIS. And then you heard John Kerry say that they were not Islamic. That would make you change your mind, right? Because everybody knows that Muslims look to non-Muslim political leaders to tell them what’s Islamic and what isn’t. Now that’s just as absurd as if you were an observant Christian, let’s say, and you’re in your church and you heard that the supreme leader of Iran was saying that what your church was doing was not Christian. That would make you stop because everybody knows that the supreme leader of Iran, the Ayatollah Khomeini is an authority on Christianity.

Obviously people who are observant believers in one religion are not likely to look to political figures who don’t even hold to that religion to get the idea of what is and is not the proper exercise of the religion. But more importantly, besides the absurdity of the Obama administration position is the fact that our refusal to call this conflict what it really is only exacerbates the conflict and emboldens the enemy because it leads us to underestimate the problem.

Obama has also said that Muslims are our best allies in fighting terrorism. I had a friend who went to the Council on American Islamic Relations, Florida Chapter Convention last year and sent me photos of the fliers and brochures that they had out. A picture of the Statue of Liberty going “shh” and saying, “Don’t talk to the FBI.” And these are the people that Barack Obama is saying we can go to and depend on to fight against terrorism. He refuses to acknowledge that the problem is rooted in Islam and so he refuses to acknowledge that there is any possibility that it could be a larger problem than just ISIL, as he calls them, and Al Qaeda and maybe a few other groups. It absolutely does not enter his mind or the mind of the Washington establishment in general that this could be a problem inside American mosques because they refuse to acknowledge that it’s Islamic.

Four separate independent surveys have all shown since 1998, 80 percent of American mosques are teaching hatred of Jews and Christians and the necessity of the Constitution to be replaced by Islamic law at a certain point when that is possible. These studies were all done separately by different people and they all came to this same result. And it’s not in the least a surprising result when you read the Quran and see that it does say make war against the unbelievers. And it says in particular to make war against and subjugate the People of the Book, that is, the Jews and the Christians. Now this is another way in which calling these things by wrong names and pretending that the problem is other than what it is and continuing to apply failed solutions is only making things worse.

We’ve spent hundreds of billions of dollars building schools and hospitals and highways and the like in Afghanistan and Iraq. Now, how many people who were handed a basketball by an American soldier do you think thought, “Gee, the Americans are really nice. I’m not going to become a jihadi”? It doesn’t work. It’s predicated on the idea that poverty causes terrorism and if we empower these countries by building their infrastructure then everything will be okay and the jihad will evanesce. Study after study shows that jihadis are actually better educated and wealthier than their peers. And the jihadi imperative in the Quran is not predicated on whether or not the infidels are nice to you. It is predicated on the fact that they are infidels and only on that fact, and so no matter how many schools and highways and hospitals we build there will still be people who will point to the Quran and say we have to fight these infidels because they are infidels and they will not in the least be dissuaded by the fact that these infidels have been so very nice to us.

The idea that poverty causes terrorism I think was most deftly exploded by an incident that was related to me a few weeks ago. I was giving a seminar that was attended by some military people, and a colonel who had served in Iraq, he told me about an Iraqi that he worked with, quite extensively, and he was going back to the States. And so he was saying goodbye to his Iraqi counterpart, and the Iraqi said to him, you’re a good man, and it’s been good to work with you, and I’m going to be very sorry when the time comes for me to kill you. True story.

Now, the idea that we can spend away this problem is so deeply entrenched in both parties that if we’re going to be serious about defeating jihad, then there needs to not just be a new president in January 2017, but an entire cleaning out of the foreign policy establishment, and a rejection, a definitive repudiation of the people who have applied these failed policies again and again and keep on applying them and keep on recommending them despite the ever increasing evidence that they are failed, and that they don’t work, and that they’ll never work. If we had a presidential candidate who was saying that, well, that would be one worth supporting. And we also need to reconfigure our international alliances. Our international alliances are still based on the Cold War. I’m happy to say the Cold War is over. The Soviet Union is gone. Maybe, it’ll be back. But right now, to continue to pretend that Pakistan and Turkey are our allies is just a waste of money to the point of being suicidal. George W. Bush made a deal with the Pakistani president after 9/1,1 giving him, at that time, $1.3 billon a year to fight Al Qaeda and the Taliban. It was soon documented that a lot of that money was being funneled by the Pakistani government to Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and Congress, what do you think Congress did in response to this revelation? They increased the money. That’s right. You know how the system works. They increased the money being given to Pakistan. This would be a joke if people weren’t getting killed.

John Kerry went to ask Turkey to please stop the oil sales that ISIS is using to finance its operations. ISIS overran quite a few oil wells in Iraq, and they’re making millions if not billions of dollars on the basis of selling black market oil. The Turks refused. Why? They’re buying it. And we consider Turkey an ally. There’s abundant evidence that they are allowing ISIS fighters to travel across Turkey into Syria and Iraq to join the group. So, meanwhile, Vladimir Putin said, “Obama we need an international alliance against jihad terror,” and Obama refused. Now, I think Putin has a terrible record in many ways, but we allied with Stalin to beat Hitler. We can’t ally with Putin beat ISIS? We need to reconfigure our alliances such that we are standing with the countries that are threatened by jihad, as we are, and against the countries that are enabling it. Instead, right now, we are allied with far too many countries that are enabling it, and we are helping to finance our own killers.

We need to stand finally for own values, and Bruce alluded to this a little bit, that there has been nothing like the way that we confronted the Nazis and the Japanese in World War II. We went into Iraq and Afghanistan, defeated the people who were in power very quickly, and then the whole thing went wrong because we implemented Sharia constitutions in both countries that enshrined as law the very same beliefs and attitudes that had led those countries to be hostile to the United States in the first place. It is as if we had gone into Germany after the war and put Goering in charge after Hitler had killed himself. In the Japanese occupation, Douglas McArthur, the leader of the occupation, issued an edict very soon after he got there saying that there will be no representation for state Shinto, which had fueled Japanese militarism, in the government or in the schools. Imagine if we had done that in Iraq and Afghanistan and said you’re perfectly free to pray to Allah and read your Quran, but there’s not going to be any Islam taught in the schools and any representation of political Islam in the government. Things would look very different today. But we have never stood. If we had gone into those countries and said, “Women who are being beaten, non-Muslims who are being terrorized, you have safe-haven in the American-controlled areas.” We didn’t do it. We could have gotten a huge ground swell of support among people in Muslim countries who were just as threatened by jihad and hate Sharia just as much as any freedom-loving American. Missed opportunities.

If we’re going to defeat Jihad, we need this kind of massive reconfiguration of policy. I hope whoever becomes president next year will do these things, and I think the force of reality will ultimately make some president have to do them, but unfortunately, it’s most likely that that will come at a time of great crisis due to the fact that we have been emboldening and enabling the jihadis for so long, and they will continue to strike here. Thank you very much.

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  1. ich says

    May 30, 2016 at 12:14 pm

    I applaud you Robert !
    I know sometimes it must be like you are speaking to the wind.
    But please keep up the fight.

  2. Cr says

    May 30, 2016 at 12:23 pm

    Deporting them all and banning islam in the west. Thats the utopical solution but imposible.

  3. jihad3tracker says

    May 30, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    I am sure Mr. Miniter — speaking first in the video — is completely sincere and is a valuable asset among counter-jihadist, but the first minute of his remarks has me shaking my ancient head in despair. Why?

    He puts a QUANTITY OF PERSONS for the “enemy” we have to defeat, but the true target facing us is THE QUR’AN + SUNNAH + SIRA. IDEAS — AND IDEAS CANNOT BE KILLED WITH PROJECTILES.

    The pathology of Muhammad lives in subjugative and violent words of the Trilogy, as ready as a virus is to infect minds receptive to hatred and evil — and those lodge themselves in a HUGE number of our fellow humans..

    • PRCS says

      May 30, 2016 at 5:19 pm

      I was shaking my somewhat ancient heat, too–the moment Miniter uttered that “radical Islam” and “radicals” nonsense

      Why do otherwise informed folks still regurgitate such idiocy?

    • hmmm says

      May 31, 2016 at 5:49 pm

      i was surprised also that this “informed” person was referring to jihad and “radical” islam as something as something separate from islam. Westerners can be so daft. of course there are some “unobservant” muslims, but even some of those may at any time decide to more authentically pursue religious doctrine. anjem (andy) choudary is just one example. here’s another in creeping sharia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hueHtOM5dTY

  4. cheryl s. says

    May 30, 2016 at 1:34 pm

    Just an excellent video!
    Wishing Donald Trump, when he ultimately becomes President, would consider any of these three, eminently qualified men to be Director of Homeland Security or Sec’y of State or any high level position in his administration that deals with muslim indoctrination in our nation.

    Mr. Trump at the time, may have condemned Pamela Geller’s & Robert Spencer’s Mohamed drawing contest because he didn’t understand the meaning behind it but, the good thing about Mr. Trump is that he is teachable, learns from his errors and quickly rights those errors as he did when he was Pro Choice then when on to be a strong Pro Life.

  5. Stendec says

    May 30, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    Bruce Thornton has the right ideas.

    I’ve said this many times before, but my “backfire” approach, I think, jibes with what Mr. Thornton laid out in his talk. The Islamic Collective must pay an obvious, massive, and permanent price for every act of aggression against civilization.

    Some examples would be as follows. Physical attacks by jihadist forces should be met with massive destruction–a huge pile of smoking rubble as their jihadist (pirate) base is obliterated. Physical attacks organized by an Islamic government, must result in permanent loss of territory, or sinking of fleets (of ships and/or planes), destruction of ports or aerodromes, or the wrecking of oil facilities and other strategic assets. No apologies. No re-building–ever. (Instead of rebuilding, we should always demand and receive reparations from that government). Physical attacks orchestrated from a mosque should result in the obliteration of the mosque and its flock during Friday prayers. Death threats issued by imams and other “Islamic clerics” should be answered globally with letters of marque issued to international assassination squads who snuff the budding Hitler, and the wrecking of his mosque via drone strikes. Acts of immigration fraud and other attempts at subversive deception must be met with wholesale canceling of visas, and deportation of the offenders’ extended families, and permanent closing of the mosques attended by the deceivers.

    After every such punishment, it is critical to forever “rub it in,” to remind any current and would-be Islamic fascists that their ideology will not and cannot ever be victorious. Their vile doctrines of world domination will only backfire–they will surely lose ground every time, pushed back by the very people they strive to enslave.

    And the Islamic Collective richly deserves to lose–every single time. Because their ideology is vile. It is anti-human. It is backward and primitive. In short, it is unacceptable–now, and forever.

    • James Foard says

      May 30, 2016 at 8:51 pm

      You’r a man after my own heart.

    • Mirren10 says

      May 31, 2016 at 9:58 am

      Brilliant, Stendec.

      I agree with every word.

      I would add; instead of imprisonment for convicted jihadists, it should be execution, the destruction of the mosques where they were supposedly ‘radicalised’, and the deportation of the imams and *families* of the jihadists.

      • Jay Boo says

        May 31, 2016 at 10:11 am

        M10
        That is so fascist!

        — “execution,
        — the destruction of the mosques ”
        — “deportation of the imams and *families* of the jihadists”

        Sorry, I just had a Mortimer moment.

  6. kessler says

    May 30, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    Great video – I just wish there were more of Robert Spencer debating people with opposing views.

    • Angemon says

      May 30, 2016 at 6:36 pm

      On the flipside, by now there should exist a sizeable gallery of something similar to the Brave Sir Robin from Monty Python and the Holy Grail – people who almost debated Mr. Spencer but ran away.

  7. Bezelel says

    May 30, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    The koran is the source of the problem, not excluding the S.O.B.’s that wrote it. As long as it remains intact, like Robert said someone will act on it. That is a fact. What to do about it debatable. Denying that anyone who studies the koran,(with intent to practice it’s words) should be suspect of committing jihad, denying that is Russian roulette.

    • mortimer says

      May 31, 2016 at 9:38 am

      The Sunna explains the Koran and completes it. Without the Sunna, the Koran hasn’t enough focus to stimulate jihad. The Sira and hadiths show Mohammed and his followers committing murders, tortures, atrocities, lootings, lies, rapes, ethnic cleansings and genocides. The Sunna is what Salafi jihadists use as the model of their behaviors. The hadiths are the easy target, because they have been thoroughly debunked by scholarship showing they are all contentious and politically fabricated. It is impossible to discover if ANYTHING in the hadiths is authentic or original.

      • mortimer says

        May 31, 2016 at 9:43 am

        All copies of the hadiths and Sira should have warning labels on them similar to the labels on cigarettes in many countries: READING THIS BOOK MAY CAUSE BODILY AND EMOTIONAL HARM, INSANITY, LAWBREAKING, IMPRISONMENT AND/OR DEATH. DO NOT READ WITHOUT A COUNTERJIHADIST INSTRUCTOR.

        • Jay Boo says

          May 31, 2016 at 11:13 am

          Islam is merely the shabby … EXCUSE.
          — (Like a NAZI claim of only following orders)

          The hadiths and Sira do not CAUSE Muslims to rape, pillage and murder.

          Therefore,
          Muslims like everyone else should be held accountable for their actions.

  8. Anke L. says

    May 30, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    This with German undertitles…would be wonderful.
    The Germansjust do not hear this comprehensive report ever.

  9. James Foard says

    May 30, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    Great video. Inspiring. At 45:26 I thought I saw smoke coming out of Robert’s ears. It’s the old Good Islam Bad Islam ploy and Robert, bless his soul, wasn’t going to have any of it. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Truth will win.

  10. TJFreedomjihad says

    May 30, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    Robert, thank you for always telling the truth. I wholly agree with notoislam:
    “Thank you for this comment —- This is the first time I have seen this TRUTH —EXCELLENT!
    Thanks to Robert and Pam for telling us the TRUTH in oh so many ways.”

    I call this entry the whole plain truth and nothing but the truth. A daunting undertaking as described, is needed, including rooting out the trilogy, away from the vermin. It must be exterminated, stamped out, flushed as the excrement of satan which it is, one way or the other, by any means available!

    No one should have this trilogy fraud to cause eternal hatred and destruction, and harm to all.

  11. citycat says

    May 31, 2016 at 12:10 am

    “I’m going to be very sorry when the time comes for me to kill you”
    Knowing Muslims I’d say the Iraqi Muslim had had that superior attitude to the colonel all the time, and was putting the boot in, emotionally speaking, when the Iraqi no longer needed to be pretending to be a nice guy.
    The deep morality of the Islamic conditioning of the Iraqi Muslim gives the Muslim the confidence to play the nice guy up until the time of the departure of the Colonel.
    All Muslims have that attitude of superiority to all infidels all day and all night till death.
    What would be the reaction if it was the other way around, and the Colonel had have said that to the Iraqi Muslim?

    • John Stefan says

      May 31, 2016 at 6:14 pm

      How can we trust any Muslim of the 1.7 Muslims in the world? any at all. How can we? Their allah even gives them the right to deceive us infidels when it advances Islam. Remember the Muslim in Nigeria who was a very close friend to an infidel who lived next door for many years? But when Boko Haram came into town, he is the one that pointed to the house and said: “There is a Christian there.” And if I remember right they were all killed. I’m afraid to trust any Muslim. Our politicians have committed a great evil and harm to our country by permitting them to come to us. Islam does not belong where there is liberty and democracy and free speech.

  12. Matthieu Baudin says

    May 31, 2016 at 1:31 am

    How refreshing; a clear focus on the threat and practical strategies for its containment and ultimate defeat. What a change from the ‘white flag brigade’, that mishmash of muddled voices who are quick to forfeit the rights and dignity of our younger generation.

  13. Jeremiah says

    May 31, 2016 at 5:04 am

    We need to talk less and act more. We can all read the Koran, the mentality of Islam. We need to destroy this ideology. We need to destroy their schools and tear down the mosques if we are to destroy Islam. Teaching children to blow themselves up is not natural. It needs to be taught. The comeback of Islam is a come back in education . . . indoctrination. It does not require hand to hand combat. It requires a ban on sharia and making sure that it cannot take root.

    We can defeat Islam without a government sanction. It just requires reality and a commitment to our future. If Liberals can be committed to chaos, then why can we not be committed to taking our nation back?

    • mortimer says

      May 31, 2016 at 9:33 am

      80% of mosques in the US were discovered sharing literature that promotes jihad violence. The literature mostly came from Saudi Arabia.

  14. mortimer says

    May 31, 2016 at 9:28 am

    It’s a very good question whether building ‘a wall of separation’ between the mosque and the state will accomplish the prevention of jihad…which is the “goal’ I hear in these talks.

    Whenever Muslims read the original, source texts of Islam, they either become enthusiastic jihadists or they lose their faith.

    It seems to me personally that merely STUDYING THE SOURCE TEXTS OF ISLAM CREATES JIHAD. These source texts should only be studied in the presence of a counterjihad instructor…if they are taught at all. The source texts of Sira, hadiths, classical commentaries and Sharia law would best NOT be studied at all, except for scholarly reasons. The source texts of Islam are what cause jihad.

    • Jay Boo says

      May 31, 2016 at 10:15 am

      “merely STUDYING THE SOURCE TEXTS OF ISLAM CREATES JIHAD.”
      —————————————————————————————————–

      OK
      Then why are you constantly nagging that everyone should spend years studying “THE SOURCE TEXTS OF ISLAM “

    • Jay Boo says

      May 31, 2016 at 10:18 am

      “THE SOURCE TEXTS OF ISLAM “

  15. Graham Ford says

    May 31, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    Despite these three presentations, I am still not hearing a cogent or coherent strategy, just some ideas thrown on the table. The Counter-Jihad so far is noise.

    So, we take away the Muslims’ rights to welfare, immigration, education. What just happened to our Jeffersonian democratic values when we did that, as well as equality before the law? There has to be a cogent, principled, moral justification that survives the counter-counter-jihad response to such a potentially self-destructive course of action without it.

    So, you really go to war and drop bombs by the tons, or the thousands of tons. That then makes you, the USA, the bad guy in the eyes of the world. Result – you loose. It did it for you in Vietnam, it almost did again for you in the first Gulf War, it certainly did it for you in the Second Gulf War and in Afghanistan. ‘You are attacking Islam’ will be their rallying cry. That then makes hundreds of millions want to fight the USA, not just ‘85,000’.

    So, you argue that Islam is bunk and poison: in the press, on the streets, everywhere. This is of course spoken against as Islamophobia and so you are now the bad guy, again.

    NO! Any strategy MUST permit the USA/The WEST to maintain and reinforce itself as the holders of the moral high ground and the Jihadis as the scum of the earth. Without that, such policies are wishful thinking and stupid.

    Furthermore, there is a reason by the elites of all types are selling us down the river. They cannot afford to annoy the Islamic world too much – they depend on it. They need its oil, its gas and its markets. They ‘ride it’ as the Book says (Rev 17). Actually, we ride it.

    We need their oil, their gas and their markets. Until we make up our minds we don’t, because we aren’t going to drive our cars and heat our houses and use electricity that, for many countries, requires the sweet, sweet crude from Arabia, the LNG from Qatar (for our strategic friends in Japan and Taiwan and Europe) and we decide we don’t need those export jobs, and we are willing to take the hit in a reduction in economic output that our banking systems desperately needs to see going up, not down, or else the debt collapses everything.

    No, until we forgo all of that, we are STUCK riding this damn Beast and all we can do about it is huff and puff.

    So, to really not-be-defeated-by-Islam, we have to release ourselves from dependence on its resources. Then we have to have a world financial reset. In the meantime, we should recognise that this migration is an invasion and stop it. Wemust show how Islam is sedition, banditry, blasphemy and misery. Then we outlaw it as we outlawed Naziism. Then, and only then, will the proposals made in this film have any traction.

    As you can see, this is a bigger problem and requires a more extensive strategy.

    • Stendec says

      May 31, 2016 at 10:28 pm

      First off, the purpose of the panel was not to lay out a unified, comprehensive strategy for defeating the jihad. The purpose was precisely to assemble experts on the subject to “throw out ideas” (to share ideas) about how to accomplish that goal. So the basic premise of your critique is false. Moreover, all these panelists know about the oil & gas dependency, and have argued in many forums to have that dependency eliminated.

      Putting your straw man aside, let me ask this question. Who exactly are the arbiters of the “moral high ground” determination? The Communist Chinese? The ex-Soviets of the Russian intelligence agency? Sweden, which is near collapse from uncontrolled immigration, and whose cities are turning into Islamic rape camps? The fascist bureaucracy of the E.U.? Angela Merkel, who is permitting German border towns to be overrun such that their citizens have to lock themselves in their homes merely to survive the night? The British, who permit millions of young girls to be gang-raped by Muslim perverts, and who will never complain because they “need those markets” in the Middle East?

      Elites who have been bought–that is, who “need those Middle Eastern markets”–have no business lecturing anyone about the “moral high ground.” They are depraved people of the lowest character, selling defenseless fellow citizens, along with their children, into persecution, slavery, and death at the hands of Islamo-fascist thugs, just so they can live a few more years of lavish and comfortable life, and just so they can preen about how “tolerant” they are.

      Part of the anti-jihad strategy should be shaming those wretched elites for their treason. Treason against humanity itself.

      We have the “moral high ground” already. Fighting for freedom and the dignity of all human beings (as we always have in the USA, including Vietnam), we don’t need the imprimatur of depraved foreign popinjays and cynical leftist totalitarians in order to resist the renewed Islamic assault on world civilization.

      One more thing. There are already hundreds of millions of Muslims who want to fight us (not that silly 85,000 figure). They fight us because their war manual, the Koran,obliges them to, without any limits to the death and destruction they might cause. They fight us because their tactics manual, the Sunnah, describes slaughter and persecution of non-Muslims as the noble actions of the perfect Muslim man. They are not attacking us for anything we are doing or have done to them in the past. Those are just excuses. They are fighting–murdering, torturing, raping, defiling, subverting–because we are not Muslims, and because we live under our law, not theirs. Those two reasons are the only excuses they will ever need to attack. No one on our side can excuse this vicious doctrine, or ignore its clear implications, and claim to have the “high moral ground.”

  16. Myxlplik says

    Jun 1, 2016 at 1:38 pm

    Remember the little “hidden” freedom room the main character in the book 1984 found. Remember how it made you feel when he found it?

    That’s the way I felt when I watched this video.

    Hard not to think about how it all ended though.

  17. will Rodgers says

    Jun 4, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    I hope Mr Trump is watching, and has plans to add this guy to his adminisrtration.

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