In this sixth segment of my Basics of Islam series, I discuss whether or not the Islamic State (ISIS or ISIL) is Islamic from the words of one of its founding figures.
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Raymondsays
But…but…those two learned islam scholars Barack Obama and John Kerry have assured us ISIS isn’t islamic. Now who am I to believe? Obama & Kerry or my own lying eyes?
Angemonsays
That there’s a discussion on whether or not the islamic state is islamic says a lot about our media, opinion makers and politicians.
shamsays
ISIS A WESTERN CREATED ORGANISATION FOR MAKING ” JEWISH MEDIA RESOURCES ” ,THEY ARE WORKING FOR WESTERN POLITICS/MEDIA ,THEY NEVER EVER REPRESENT EVEN .000000000000000001% OF ISLAM….MUSLIM AROUND THE WORLD 99.99% REJECT/CONDEMNED ISIS AND THEIR VIOLENCE /TERRORISM ……..
WHAT WAS THE REQUIREMENT OF THIS VIDEO ?
BEC’S SPENCER AND TEAM LOSE THE CONFIDENCE ABOUT THEIR IDEOLOGY(LYING/MITH) THAT ISIS BEING AN ISLAMIC ,TODAY MOST OF THE NON MUSLIM PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT ISIS NOT ISLAMIC : 1) ISIS VIOLATE ALL THE ISLAMIC LAW 2) MOST OF THE ISLAMIC COUNTRIES (SAUDI,KUWAIT,ETC) ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THEM…….
MY ADVICE TO SPENCER PLZ STOP LYING ,THE PUBLIC PEOPLE NEVER BELIEVE YOUR LIE…..DON’T WASTE UR ENERGY TO SPREADING LYING……
THE FINAL VICTORY IS ALWAYS BELONGS TO TRUTH
7: 26. O Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover yourselves (screen your private parts, etc.) and as an adornment, and the raiment of righteousness, that is better. Such are among the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, that they may remember (i.e. leave falsehood and follow truth).
6:152 ………..We burden not any person, but that which he can bear. And whenever you give your word (i.e. judge between men or give evidence, etc.), say the truth even if a near relative is concerned, and fulfill the Covenant of Allâh, This He commands you, that you may remember.
7: 29. Say (O Muhammad SAW): My Lord has commanded justice and (said) that you should face Him only (i.e. worship none but Allâh and face the Qiblah, i.e. the Ka’bah at Makkah during prayers) in each and every place of worship, in prayers (and not to face other false deities and idols), and invoke Him only making your religion sincere to Him by not joining in worship any partner to Him and with the intention that you are doing your deeds for Allâh’s sake only
33: 70. O you who believe! Keep your duty to Allâh and fear Him, and speak (always) the truth.
Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6307,6308,6309
It is obligatory for you to tell the truth, for truth leads to virtue and virtue leads to Paradise, and the man who continues to speak the truth and endeavours to tell the truth is eventually recorded as truthful with Allah, and beware of telling of a lie for telling of a lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell-Fire
sham
I suppose if you can believe that someone with the disgraceful character such as Muhammad was a prophet you could convince your self to believe just about anything.
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Angemonsays
sham posted:
“ISIS A WESTERN CREATED ORGANISATION FOR MAKING ” JEWISH MEDIA RESOURCES ” ,THEY ARE WORKING FOR WESTERN POLITICS/MEDIA ,THEY NEVER EVER REPRESENT EVEN .000000000000000001% OF ISLAM….MUSLIM AROUND THE WORLD 99.99% REJECT/CONDEMNED ISIS AND THEIR VIOLENCE /TERRORISM ”
I mean, it takes a really, really, really stupid person to believe illogical nonsense. But you’re a Muslim, so that’s kind of a prerequisite, right?
Anyway, can you please show me what ISIS has done that was not done or commanded by Muhammad, you simpleton? Also, what are they doing that was not done by all of the caliphates throughout history, from Abu Bakr to the Ottamans?
Unless, of course, your argument is that Muhammad and all the caliphates throughout history aren’t Islamic either.
Rsays
Ottomans*
Craig Pritchardsays
ISIS is pure Islam. Mohammed was mentally ill.
Bongobitarito Islamorefugee.says
The Sham trash is best ignored rather opposed .
Mr Spencer is quite focussed and relevant.
Please do carry on Mr. Spencer to enlighten us about the blackhole that masqueraded as a religion for so long. The disillusionment will help those muslims the most who will come to understand that they are nothing more than the captives of a vile ideology that their politici-religious ulemas have been using with utmost cunning over the last 1450 years to keep them absolutely enslaved. They are slaves to their god who has not considered the muslims as his sons and daughters. So much of cruelty and hearllessness on the part of a god is unthinkable who wats to have slaves only. Despicable indeed.
Sham, save yourself from this virulent god who seeks your servitude. Hate be upon him!!!!!
Live as a true human being full of the natural gift of love and compassion we are born with .
God bless you!
Jack Diamondsays
Zawahiri had addressed this after 9/11, as cited in “The Al Qaeda Reader”: “Ibn Taymiyya said ‘Based on the consensus of the ulema, those Muslims who are accidentally killed are martyrs; and the obligatory jihad should never be abandoned because it creates martyrs.’ (also) there is no question that those (Muslims) who are intermixed with the infidels, apostates, and their aides, of their own free will, are less sacred in the religion than those Muslims who are coerced or used as shields–and even these latter the ulema have permitted to be fired upon whenever they are in the midst of the infidels.”
The Islamic State addressed this, too. Al-Adnānī, the official spokesman, said:
“The Islamic State doesn’t make permissible the blood of a Muslim, rather we do not target nor kill anyone except the combatant kuffār, and every one of you knows this very well, even though we are accused of this in the western media. If we wanted to target civilians and innocents, then the roads (we are in control of) are full of them and the markets are crowded (with them) but we are the most careful in terms of protecting the Muslim blood. If you support us & help us in our fight against the crusaders with your tongue & limbs we will support you & protect you, however if you stand in the camp of our enemies against us then what are you waiting for from us (other than fighting you)?”
Never is a Believer to kill a Believer… except when he is an apostate (grounds for which can even be your thoughts–“to intend to commit unbelief, even if in the future” (‘Umdat al-Salik, Acts that Entail Leaving Islam) or just is in the way, like those kaffir women and kids who happen to be “among them” when an attack happens (Sahih Muslim 19/4321).
The Islamic State cannot be Islamic because real Muslims wouldn’t kill other Muslims?
Muslims have been cannibalizing other Muslims from the beginning, nothing could be more Islamic. Muhammad had a rival mosque burned down. The first Abu Bakr declared war and slaughter on “apostates” who wanted to exit Islam after Muhammad’s death. Almost all of the Rightly Guided Caliphs were murdered, often horribly, by equally pious Muslims. It’s true Muslims aren’t supposed to kill fellow Muslims as a rule, or maybe just a suggestion, since there has never been any great worry about killing apostate Muslims or collateral-damage dead Muslims in a jihad attack (since they are rewarded by becoming martyrs, thank you very much). I’d mention the Sunni and Shi’a past and present but as Ambassador Peter Galbraith learned when informing George Bush there were actually two sects of Islam in Iraq, shortly before the invasion, Bush replied, “I thought the Iraqis were Muslims!” People can only take in so much information.
Zarqawi was the pupil of Abu Masab Al-Suri, an important al Qaeda strategic thinker who wrote the 1,600 page manifesto “Call to Global Resistance”. Al-Suri is one of the ideologues behind what became ISIS. His biggest complaint was that new jihadis entered the movement without being properly steeped in Islamic doctrine. In sharia. They just wanted to go fight. Hence, every Islamic State fighter is put through stringent indoctrination in the core texts and teachings of Islam. Not that there is anything Islamic about that either.
duh swamisays
If you are Shia, the Sunni Islamic caliphate is not Islamic…If you are kufr, it’s all the same…
Raymond says
But…but…those two learned islam scholars Barack Obama and John Kerry have assured us ISIS isn’t islamic. Now who am I to believe? Obama & Kerry or my own lying eyes?
Angemon says
That there’s a discussion on whether or not the islamic state is islamic says a lot about our media, opinion makers and politicians.
sham says
ISIS A WESTERN CREATED ORGANISATION FOR MAKING ” JEWISH MEDIA RESOURCES ” ,THEY ARE WORKING FOR WESTERN POLITICS/MEDIA ,THEY NEVER EVER REPRESENT EVEN .000000000000000001% OF ISLAM….MUSLIM AROUND THE WORLD 99.99% REJECT/CONDEMNED ISIS AND THEIR VIOLENCE /TERRORISM ……..
WHAT WAS THE REQUIREMENT OF THIS VIDEO ?
BEC’S SPENCER AND TEAM LOSE THE CONFIDENCE ABOUT THEIR IDEOLOGY(LYING/MITH) THAT ISIS BEING AN ISLAMIC ,TODAY MOST OF THE NON MUSLIM PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT ISIS NOT ISLAMIC : 1) ISIS VIOLATE ALL THE ISLAMIC LAW 2) MOST OF THE ISLAMIC COUNTRIES (SAUDI,KUWAIT,ETC) ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THEM…….
MY ADVICE TO SPENCER PLZ STOP LYING ,THE PUBLIC PEOPLE NEVER BELIEVE YOUR LIE…..DON’T WASTE UR ENERGY TO SPREADING LYING……
THE FINAL VICTORY IS ALWAYS BELONGS TO TRUTH
7: 26. O Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover yourselves (screen your private parts, etc.) and as an adornment, and the raiment of righteousness, that is better. Such are among the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, that they may remember (i.e. leave falsehood and follow truth).
6:152 ………..We burden not any person, but that which he can bear. And whenever you give your word (i.e. judge between men or give evidence, etc.), say the truth even if a near relative is concerned, and fulfill the Covenant of Allâh, This He commands you, that you may remember.
7: 29. Say (O Muhammad SAW): My Lord has commanded justice and (said) that you should face Him only (i.e. worship none but Allâh and face the Qiblah, i.e. the Ka’bah at Makkah during prayers) in each and every place of worship, in prayers (and not to face other false deities and idols), and invoke Him only making your religion sincere to Him by not joining in worship any partner to Him and with the intention that you are doing your deeds for Allâh’s sake only
33: 70. O you who believe! Keep your duty to Allâh and fear Him, and speak (always) the truth.
Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6307,6308,6309
It is obligatory for you to tell the truth, for truth leads to virtue and virtue leads to Paradise, and the man who continues to speak the truth and endeavours to tell the truth is eventually recorded as truthful with Allah, and beware of telling of a lie for telling of a lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell-Fire
ISIS VS ISLAM :
http://isisvsislam.blogspot.in/
Jay Boo says
sham
I suppose if you can believe that someone with the disgraceful character such as Muhammad was a prophet you could convince your self to believe just about anything.
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Angemon says
sham posted:
“ISIS A WESTERN CREATED ORGANISATION FOR MAKING ” JEWISH MEDIA RESOURCES ” ,THEY ARE WORKING FOR WESTERN POLITICS/MEDIA ,THEY NEVER EVER REPRESENT EVEN .000000000000000001% OF ISLAM….MUSLIM AROUND THE WORLD 99.99% REJECT/CONDEMNED ISIS AND THEIR VIOLENCE /TERRORISM ”
And, as usual, nothing to back your claim.
Angemon says
P.S.: This one’s specially for you, sham:
Jack Diamond says
Epic tale, one performance only. An english translation at
http://sye10.miiduu.com/translators-wanted
R says
I mean, it takes a really, really, really stupid person to believe illogical nonsense. But you’re a Muslim, so that’s kind of a prerequisite, right?
Anyway, can you please show me what ISIS has done that was not done or commanded by Muhammad, you simpleton? Also, what are they doing that was not done by all of the caliphates throughout history, from Abu Bakr to the Ottamans?
Unless, of course, your argument is that Muhammad and all the caliphates throughout history aren’t Islamic either.
R says
Ottomans*
Craig Pritchard says
ISIS is pure Islam. Mohammed was mentally ill.
Bongobitarito Islamorefugee. says
The Sham trash is best ignored rather opposed .
Mr Spencer is quite focussed and relevant.
Please do carry on Mr. Spencer to enlighten us about the blackhole that masqueraded as a religion for so long. The disillusionment will help those muslims the most who will come to understand that they are nothing more than the captives of a vile ideology that their politici-religious ulemas have been using with utmost cunning over the last 1450 years to keep them absolutely enslaved. They are slaves to their god who has not considered the muslims as his sons and daughters. So much of cruelty and hearllessness on the part of a god is unthinkable who wats to have slaves only. Despicable indeed.
Sham, save yourself from this virulent god who seeks your servitude. Hate be upon him!!!!!
Live as a true human being full of the natural gift of love and compassion we are born with .
God bless you!
Jack Diamond says
Zawahiri had addressed this after 9/11, as cited in “The Al Qaeda Reader”: “Ibn Taymiyya said ‘Based on the consensus of the ulema, those Muslims who are accidentally killed are martyrs; and the obligatory jihad should never be abandoned because it creates martyrs.’ (also) there is no question that those (Muslims) who are intermixed with the infidels, apostates, and their aides, of their own free will, are less sacred in the religion than those Muslims who are coerced or used as shields–and even these latter the ulema have permitted to be fired upon whenever they are in the midst of the infidels.”
The Islamic State addressed this, too. Al-Adnānī, the official spokesman, said:
“The Islamic State doesn’t make permissible the blood of a Muslim, rather we do not target nor kill anyone except the combatant kuffār, and every one of you knows this very well, even though we are accused of this in the western media. If we wanted to target civilians and innocents, then the roads (we are in control of) are full of them and the markets are crowded (with them) but we are the most careful in terms of protecting the Muslim blood. If you support us & help us in our fight against the crusaders with your tongue & limbs we will support you & protect you, however if you stand in the camp of our enemies against us then what are you waiting for from us (other than fighting you)?”
Never is a Believer to kill a Believer… except when he is an apostate (grounds for which can even be your thoughts–“to intend to commit unbelief, even if in the future” (‘Umdat al-Salik, Acts that Entail Leaving Islam) or just is in the way, like those kaffir women and kids who happen to be “among them” when an attack happens (Sahih Muslim 19/4321).
The Islamic State cannot be Islamic because real Muslims wouldn’t kill other Muslims?
Muslims have been cannibalizing other Muslims from the beginning, nothing could be more Islamic. Muhammad had a rival mosque burned down. The first Abu Bakr declared war and slaughter on “apostates” who wanted to exit Islam after Muhammad’s death. Almost all of the Rightly Guided Caliphs were murdered, often horribly, by equally pious Muslims. It’s true Muslims aren’t supposed to kill fellow Muslims as a rule, or maybe just a suggestion, since there has never been any great worry about killing apostate Muslims or collateral-damage dead Muslims in a jihad attack (since they are rewarded by becoming martyrs, thank you very much). I’d mention the Sunni and Shi’a past and present but as Ambassador Peter Galbraith learned when informing George Bush there were actually two sects of Islam in Iraq, shortly before the invasion, Bush replied, “I thought the Iraqis were Muslims!” People can only take in so much information.
Zarqawi was the pupil of Abu Masab Al-Suri, an important al Qaeda strategic thinker who wrote the 1,600 page manifesto “Call to Global Resistance”. Al-Suri is one of the ideologues behind what became ISIS. His biggest complaint was that new jihadis entered the movement without being properly steeped in Islamic doctrine. In sharia. They just wanted to go fight. Hence, every Islamic State fighter is put through stringent indoctrination in the core texts and teachings of Islam. Not that there is anything Islamic about that either.
duh swami says
If you are Shia, the Sunni Islamic caliphate is not Islamic…If you are kufr, it’s all the same…