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BBC religion chief states “uncomfortable truth”: ISIS driven by “Islamic doctrine”

Jun 2, 2016 7:56 am By Robert Spencer

Aaqil Ahmed said: “I hear so many people say ISIS has nothing to do with Islam — of course it has. They are not preaching Judaism. It might be wrong, but what they are saying is an ideology based on some form of Islamic doctrine. They are Muslims. That is a fact and we have to get our head around some very uncomfortable things.”

I was banned from the UK for saying: “[Islam] is a religion and is a belief system that mandates warfare against unbelievers for the purpose for establishing a societal model that is absolutely incompatible with Western society…”

Will Aaqil Ahmed now be banned from the UK?

Aaqil Ahmed

“Islam inspires ISIS fanatics to commit horrific terror attacks, BBC religion chief claims,” by Charlie Peat, Express, June 2, 2016:

ISLAM has inspired depraved Islamic State jihadis to carry out heinous atrocities, the BBC’s head of religion and ethics has said.

Muslim Aaqil Ahmed described it is an “uncomfortable” truth that the bloodthirsty terrorist cult is being driven by “Islamic doctrine”.

He said: “I hear so many people say ISIS has nothing to do with Islam — of course it has. They are not preaching Judaism.

“It might be wrong, but what they are saying is an ideology based on some form of Islamic doctrine. They are Muslims. That is a fact and we have to get our head around some very uncomfortable things.

“That is where the difficulty comes in for many journalists, because the vast majority of Muslims won’t agree with ISIS.”

Mr Ahmed said he was not referring specifically to the name but “it was a reflection of the complexity of how you describe them and their religious belief structure.”

The religion and ethics chief was speaking at Huddersfield University where he was asked why the BBC refers to ISIS as the “so-called” Islamic State.

The corporation came under fire for the way in which it refers to Daesh and was blasted by David Cameron for using the term “Islamic State”.

The Prime Minister said in January: “I think Muslim families around the country would have held their heads in despair this morning when once again you just called it ‘Islamic State’. You didn’t even say ‘so-called Islamic State’. It’s so important.”…

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  1. Tony says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 8:01 am

    Have you noticed that the comments section to this article in the express is unavailable. I wonder why?

    • Guest says

      Jun 2, 2016 at 2:31 pm

      “Comments Unavailable”. (It’s 1:45 pm CDT.)

  2. AnneCrockett says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 8:07 am

    “It might be wrong”?????? Whoa there, fella. Sure you want to go out on a limb like that?

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 3, 2016 at 12:12 am

      Aaqil Ahmed was behind the BBC whitewash of the vicious “Prophet” Muhammed. The episodes were titled, “The Seeker”, “Holy War”, and “Holy Peace”.

      That there is a “Holy War” episode sounds like a major admission–except that this is described as “the eight-year war with the Meccan tribes”, as though holy war was limited to a short period of time against a tiny and very specific enemy.

      This is followed by “Holy Peace”–which describes both the imposition of bloody Shari’ah law *and Jihad* as constituting “peace”. There does not appear to be further mention that this “peace” would include Islam conquering huge swaths of the known world, from India to Spain, including threatening and eventually destroying the Byzantine Empire.

      Which brings us to the next show he created: a whitewash of the barbaric Ottoman Empire:

      “The Ottomans: Europe’s Muslim Emperor, the story behind the documentary”

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7060b067-4c46-35d6-94b7-94c437ffc475

      So it appears that he is willing to admit small aspects of the savagery of Islam–only to subsume the rest as being ‘plausibly’ civilized.

      In other words, he is still a Taqiyya artist–just a rather subtle one.

      Oh, by the way, he also created a series on Christianity for the BBC, which from its description its characterization is much more negative–including decrying Constantine having embraced the faith (because he wielded temporal power) and large amounts of time spent on Catholic/Protestant violence.

      Overall, more Taqiyya…

  3. mortimer says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 8:19 am

    Caliph Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, who is the ISIS chief and the caliph of the Islamic State, is apparently the first Islamic Studies PhD from a Muslim background who has no idea about Islam.
    Al-Baghdadi, who has obtained BA, MA and PhD degrees in Islamic studies from the Islamic University in Baghdad, has been condemned as a person who knows nothing about Islam, and as the head of an organization that has nothing to do with Islam.
    The professors from the Islamic University of Baghdad, however, do not agree. They taught the caliph and believe his credentials and doctrines are sound.
    “If a person who has a PhD in Islamic studies and does nothing but study the Islamic scriptures knows nothing about Islam, then who does?” questioned al-Baghdadi’s main teacher from the Islamic University, preferring to remain anonymous since the fatwa against ISIS and its chief puts his reputation into jeopardy.
    “The wine-sipping Muslims, those hedonistic adulterers will tell the world what true Islam is? Obama and Cameron know more about Islam than the faculty of Islamic studies at the Islamic University in Baghdad?” the professor bellowed with rage, while talking to a journalist.
    Another professor who had taught al-Baghdadi in BA said off the record that the Isis caliph was an ardent student.
    “He had this obsession with Islamic studies. I used to tell him to go out and have some fun sometimes. But his idea of fun wasn’t too human friendly,” the professor said. “In any case he was a top student. One of the best I’ve ever had. Had the entire syllabus on his finger tips – to be honest, he knew more about Islamic studies than most of the professors.”
    “While you can question whether they are humans or not, there is no doubt that ISIS, including Abu Bakr (al Baghdadi), are indeed bona fide Muslims,” concluded the ISIS caliph’s PhD professor.

    Conclusion: ISIS doctrines are those of normative Sunnite Islam taught at Al Azhar University and in Soddy Barbaria. The orthodoxy of al-Baghdadi is not disputed by any of the top Muslim theologians.

  4. DP111 says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 8:31 am

    From the article: The BBC has come under sustained criticism for its usage of “so-called Islamic State”

    Only the BBC could be so anti-British as to appoint a Muslim as the Head of Religious broadcasting in a Christian country.

    Would we be right in saying, so-called British Broadcasting organisation?

    And why is this Muslim still in England. He must know that his religion is held in utter contempt in Britain. It is loathed and feared at the same time.

    If he had any sense of shame or honour, he would have left long ago. But he and his fellow Muslims are still here, expanding rapidly with a huge birth rate, till they are a majority, and can impose Sharia.

    • Jay Boo says

      Jun 2, 2016 at 9:04 am

      In addition to “so-called Islamic State”

      BBC uses
      “Self-styled Islamic State”
      “Self- proclaimed Islamic State”

      I was not aware until this article that dhimmi David Cameron the (so-called) “prime minister ” had anything to do with that.

      “The corporation came under fire for the way in which it refers to Daesh and was blasted by David Cameron for using the term “Islamic State”.

      The Prime Minister said in January: “I think Muslim families around the country would have held their heads in despair this morning when once again you just called it ‘Islamic State’. You didn’t even say ‘so-called Islamic State’. It’s so important.”…
      “

    • jayell says

      Jun 2, 2016 at 10:18 am

      The last I heard (a few years ago) was that the BBC edged out their long-serving Christian Head of Religious Broadcasting and replaced him with a Hindu. Now it’s a muslim. In the ‘BRITISH’ (sic) Broadcasting Corporation. And at the same time we hear about the ‘BBC being too Christian’. Now, I wonder who might have started THAT ball rolling? Time to close down the BBC.

      • Dom1 says

        Jun 2, 2016 at 11:35 am

        Frankly I think the BBC should stop all religious broadcasting. There is enough independent channels on SKY for example broadcasting this drivel for all the main religions and some of the crazy American ones as well .Grow up people and stop deluding yourself. When its over its over !!!!

        • Western Canadian says

          Jun 2, 2016 at 1:03 pm

          And of course, the second worst religion of all, atheism, receives a pass from you.

        • Robeaver says

          Jun 2, 2016 at 1:38 pm

          Yes, let’s confuse evidence with dogma.

        • Trico says

          Jun 2, 2016 at 3:03 pm

          “I think the BBC should stop all religious broadcasting.”
          –
          I think you are right. The BBC should stick to their Strength which is reporting the news before it happens.
          On 9/11, The BBC reported that World Trade Center Building 7 collapsed 23 minutes before it actually did.
          Live on Air, BBC London cut to their Reporter on site near the World Trade Center and asked her about the collapse of Building 7 also known as the Solloman Building.
          As the Reporter is discussing Building 7 having collapsed, you can clearly see over her right shoulder that Building 7 was still standing.
          I know I’m just a Wack-a-Doodle Conspiracy Theorist.
          –
          Here’s a Report:
          “BBC’s Premature Announcement of WTC 7’s Collapse ”
          http://www.wtc7.net/bbc.html
          –
          Here’s a Video where the BBC London cuts to their onsite Reporter prematurely:
          “BBC Reports 911, WTC 7 Collapse BEFORE it Happens”
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=677i43QfYpQ
          –
          The collapse of Building 7 is an unresolved mystery. It was not hit by an airplane and yet collapsed as if it was brought down by a sequence of explosions known as Controlled Demolition.
          Firemen and Citizens on scene reported hearing a sequence of explosions.
          The Government denied that any explosives were involved.
          Knowing the Government as I do, I’m certain they are telling the truth.
          So what brought Building 7 down?
          Why did it just collapse into it’s own footprint?
          It took a lot of thinking and many glasses of Red Wine to figure it out. I have not reported my discovery anywhere, You, whoever is reading this will learn the never before known reason why Building 7 fell.
          Building 7 fell from a Phenomena I am calling: “Sympathetic Collapse”.
          That’s right. Building 7 was so distraught at the loss of it’s 2 Taller brother Buildings that it committed suicide.
          Tears were forming in my eyes as I typed this. Very sad.
          R.I.P. Building 7
          –
          I hope Wellington doesn’t see this or he may call the Men in White Coats to come and take me away.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 3, 2016 at 12:29 am

          Trico wrote:

          The collapse of Building 7 is an unresolved mystery. It was not hit by an airplane and yet collapsed as if it was brought down by a sequence of explosions known as Controlled Demolition…
          ………………………

          Oh, good grief–more “Trutherism”.

          Building 7 had huge amounts of debris from the collapse of the two main WTC towers land on its roof–more than enough to bring down this much smaller building.

          But many conspiracy theorists point to this “mystery” in order to flog the idea that the building was brought down by a controlled explosion–set by (take your pick) bad ol’ George Bush, Mossad, the CIA, or the Illuminati. Certainly, nothing to do with Jihad…sarc/off

        • Trico says

          Jun 3, 2016 at 12:47 am

          GRAVENIMAGE, you must have missed the part of the BBC reporting the collapse of Building 7 well before it did.
          Believe your government and you will make a fine Citizen of the NWO,

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 am

          Trico, I did not miss it–it just did not seem to me to be the most salient point. I do not automatically believe the government–or the media. But neither do I automatically believe that Western governments are the root of all evil.

          Certainly, I do not reject facts out of hand in order to believe that the American government is behind Jihad terrorism.

          There is a great deal of the “fog of war” with a breaking story–I don’t automatically chalk this up to some sort of conspiracy, either. And I say this while holding a very jaundiced view of the BBC’s editorial coverage of Islam.

  5. mortimer says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 8:48 am

    Aaqil Ahmed tells the truth while David Cameron lies and denies.

    It’s shocking that Cameron thinks he’s more knowledgeable about Islam than al-Baghdadi, a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies.

    The UK Conservatives should realize that repeating the lies will not stop ISIS. It’s time to stop the denial that ISIS is Islamic. The evidence is beyond dispute that they practice authentic Islam. Aaqil Ahmed calls this fact ‘UNCOMFORTABLE’. That’s an understatement!

    Islam cannot change…that’s another ‘uncomfortable’ fact. Muslims therefore have a stark choice of deciding if they want be part of a primitive Death Cult or leave it and join modernity and human rights for all.

    • ECAW says

      Jun 2, 2016 at 9:51 am

      Does David Cameron realise he is engaging in takfir when he calls ISIS “not real Muslims”? Surely he deserves to be had up on hate crime charges of have his head cut off or something like that.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 3, 2016 at 12:31 am

      Yes–this is Kitman.

    • Lesley says

      Jun 4, 2016 at 6:50 am

      @gravenimage– Debris on building 7 bringing it down is highly unlikely… I have spent much time in lower Manhattan and the world Financial Center.

      I am not sure what to believe, but the ‘truthers’ you disdain have pointed out the presence of some troubling disconnects, and building 7 is a big one.

      If you’re ever up for a field trip and in NY, I suggest you walk around WFC and see for yourself– the collapse of building 7 makes no logical sense.

      • Trico says

        Jun 4, 2016 at 2:34 pm

        Lesley, With Fresh Eyes not blinded by the corrupt media and government fiction go watch 9/11 videos on Youtube.
        Watch as Building 7 systematically collapses into it’s own footprint.
        Watch as both Building 1 and 2 literally vaporize to dust in midair, Realize that 2 buildings of such immense size should have left thousands of tons of debris from not only the building material but all the thousands of offices, office supplies & equipment ,bathrooms, stairways, elevator shafts personal items, etc. It should have taken months to remove the debris. It should have been impossible to approach ground zero to look for Survivors. But there was essentially just dust. First Responders and Cadaver Dogs and Rescue Dogs were able to approach ground zero to search for Survivors.
        Had the 2 buildings fallen organically as claimed, a search for survivors would not have been possible for quite some time.
        Watch the BBC report the collapse of Building 7 before it actually collapsed. Does that not ring an Alarm Bell in your brain?
        Listen to Firemen, Architects, Pilots, Building Designers, Structural Engineers discuss how the Government’s narrative is not physically possible.
        The engines on the types of planes that supposedly went into the towers weigh 10,000 pounds each. Where did they go? Why didn’t the aluminum wings shear off upon contacting reinforced concrete and structural steel?
        Learn how the World Trade center which was built in the Public Interest was turned over to a Private Enterprise headed by Larry Silverstein in late April 2001. Silverstein took a 99 year lease on the World Trade and took out a massive insurance policy covering terrorists attacks which profited him Billions of dollars.
        Was that Pure Luck? Did Larry have a Crystal Ball? Or was that the Mother of all Insider Trading deals?
        http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/background/owners.html
        Learn how Larry Silverstein ate breakfast at Windows On The World restaurant every day but was not there on 9/11. Learn how the Head Chef of Windows On The World who was normally there was not there on 9/11. He had to pick up eyeglasses or something like that. The bond trading firm Cantor Fitzgerald was wiped out on 9/11 except for the head honcho. Their are other similar stories of “important people” that normally would have been at the World Trade Center were not there on 9/11. “Lucky People”. It’s not who you know, it’s who you know that will give you a heads up of pending doom.
        Building 7 contained a number of Law Enforcement Agencies some of which, like the Pentagon Accounting Office, were investigating corruption. Just like what happened at the Pentagon, those investigating corruption and the evidence collected were destroyed on 9/11.
        Finally, it has been discovered that the World Trade Center buildings had a serious Asbestos Problem as they had been built with a massive amount of Asbestos Fireproofing which would have cost billions to remove properly, floor by floor.
        9/11 solved that problem.
        http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/asbestos.html
        –
        Everyone has to reach Awareness at their own speed and in their own time. Most people dismiss without investigation.
        What about you?

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 5, 2016 at 1:36 am

        I went to Ground Zero in early 2003, when it still looked like a war zone–the debris had been cleared, but the site was a hole in the ground still surrounded by buildings pocked with damage from the attacks.

        Many engineers have explained the collapse of the buildings–the most famous confirmation is in Popular Mechanics.

        The implication that Larry Silverstein is behind 9/11 is simply grotesque.

        Is he also behind all 28,516 other Jihad terror attacks all over the world since 9/11? And if not, why not?

        And if you believe that Jihad terror is actually committed by Jewish American businessmen in order to ‘make Islam look bad’, then why are you even here?

        • Trico says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 12:39 pm

          The implication that Larry Silverstein is behind 9/11 is simply grotesque.”
          If that is a response to my comment, I never made such claim, Inferring that someone may have profited from inside information is a
          different story.
          You are deeply entrapped in the Matrix if you are not aware all the Mainstream Media is owned by just 6 Multi-National Corporations. Popular Mechanics included. The EPA said the air around ground zero was fine to breathe. No air filter mask needed.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 2:59 pm

          Inferring that someone may have profited from inside information is a
          different story.
          ……………………….

          This sounds like more of “the Jews knew all about 9/11” trope.

          I notice that you did not address the question of Jihad in general. Do you believe 9/11 was Jihad? If you do believe that, then how do you also believe that the Jews–or American businessmen–somehow knew all about it?

          As for the media, there *has* been a troubling amount of buy-outs and consolidation, but the idea that every newspaper and local news station is owned by six multi-national corporations is absurd. Further, the idea that all of these companies are in cahoots with Jihad terrorists strains credulity even more.

        • Trico says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 6:49 pm

          Do you believe 9/11 was Jihad?
          No.
          9/11 was someone else’s Agenda. Nothing to do with Islam.

        • Trico says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 7:01 pm

          “the idea that every newspaper and local news station is owned by six multi-national corporations is absurd. ”
          Ignorance is a choice.
          –
          “the idea that all of these companies are in cahoots with Jihad terrorists strains credulity even more.”
          I never said any such thing. Please learn to read.
          The Media is owned by the Globalists and is under government control which feeds the Media talking points and Video clips.
          I already put up info showing how the Media was forbidden to use Obama’s middle name in 2007. Does that seem like a Free and Ope n Media?
          The Media was also forbidden to film the body bags being brought back from Iraq.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 6, 2016 at 6:32 pm

          Trico wrote:

          Do you believe 9/11 was Jihad?
          No.
          9/11 was someone else’s Agenda. Nothing to do with Islam.
          ……………………….

          Good God. Are all 28,530 Jihad terror attacks since then just more of “someone else’s Agenda”? Intended, no doubt, to make poor innocent Muslims look bad…sarc/off

  6. duh swami says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 8:48 am

    “That is where the difficulty comes in for many journalists, because the vast majority of Muslims won’t agree with ISIS.”

    IIt’s amazing that some kuffar seem to know what the majority of Mahoundians think, what they support and what they don’t support…
    Mahoundians who do not support ISIS are are slanderers, heretics and hypocrites,,,an exception is made for Shia Islam…
    I don’t know what a billion or so Mahoundians think either, but I know they all read and believe in the same book…

    • mortimer says

      Jun 2, 2016 at 9:08 am

      ds wrote: “…amazing that some kuffar seem to know what the majority of Mahoundians think”

      The opinions of Muslims worldwide are studied carefully in surveys. There’s no excuse for not knowing that 65% approve of strict Sharia and a caliphate…Most Muslims approve of ISIS on a basic level.

      • duh swami says

        Jun 2, 2016 at 9:50 am

        You cannot st5udy the opinions of a billion people unless you have a crystal ball…do you have one…And even if you do a complete survey, how many are talking the truth…Ther4e are no moderates…You should know that…

        • chanah says

          Jun 3, 2016 at 4:31 am

          there’s no such thing as a moderate muslim or moderate islam for that matter there’s muslims and there’s islam period

        • Carolyne says

          Jun 3, 2016 at 4:32 pm

          Erdogan said exactly what chanah said. “There is no moderate Islam. There is only Islam.”

    • Trico says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 6:54 pm

      ” like more of “the Jews knew all about 9/11” trope. ”
      The Globalists are not Jews, they are Khazarians. Some of them took Jewish names during World War 2.
      Kindly do some research if you really are interested. There is so much info available.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 6, 2016 at 9:35 pm

        Trico wrote:

        ” like more of “the Jews knew all about 9/11” trope. ”
        The Globalists are not Jews, they are Khazarians. Some of them took Jewish names during World War 2.
        Kindly do some research if you really are interested. There is so much info available.
        …………………………

        Yes, there *is* lots of information available.

        The “Khazar” trope was developed by a Jewish man who hoped this claptrap would save his people during the Holocaust–the idea that Jews in Europe were not really ethnic Jews at all, but Eurasian Khazars.

        Of course, it just wound up being used by antisemites now to undermine the legitimacy of the existence of Israel by claiming that Ashkenazi Jews are not really Jewish.

        There were people from the Khazar tribe from the Asian steppes who converted to Judaism–but the idea that European Jews are all descended from this tiny tribe is ludicrous.

        So now we find that Trico is not just a 9/11 Truther and a Muslim apologist, but an antisemite who believes that Jews (or, OK, “Jews”) control the world. *Ugh*.

    • Trico says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 7:53 pm

      “the idea that every newspaper and local news station is owned by six multi-national corporations is absurd. ”
      Gravenimage
      It would have taken you 10 seconds to find out what I said was true.
      I do not have the time to do your research. You do not have to agree with or believe anything I post.
      y am not providing info for me. I’m doing it for people like you who have been programmed and blinded from the truth. The World around you is not what you believe.
      I’m still learning.
      You do have to be willing to open your eyes and open your mind to see.
      –
      This is just one Source. There are many.
      Only six corporations own all mainstream media in the United States http://investmentwatchblog.com/only-six-corporations-own-all-mainstream-media-in-the-united-states/
      Bonuses:
      10 Corporations Control Almost Everything You Buy – Business Insider
      http://www.businessinsider.com/these-10-corporations-control-almost-everything-you-buy-2012-4
      –
      10 Companies That Control Almost Everything We Eat
      http://www.businessinsider.com/10-companies-that-control-what-we-buy-2014-7
      –

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 6, 2016 at 9:57 pm

        Trico wrote:

        Only six corporations own all mainstream media in the United States…
        …………………….

        Of course I am familiar with this.

        None of these six own my local newspaper here in Oakland California. They don’t own CNN, AP, Reuters, AFP, or many other news outlets. There is *far* too much consolidation, as I noted, but it is no where near as dire as you imply.

        The bigger issue is “political correctness’, which colors all too much media coverage. But the idea that all coverage is centrally controlled by the Jooooooooos is simply twaddle.

        As for the latter two off-topic links, this is only true if you shop and eat nothing but the mainstream. Personally, I mostly shop locally and patronize mostly independent shops. I go to local farmer’s markets and small producers for a large part of my grocery shopping.

        There are times I shop big corporations, either because of cost, or, in rare cases, quality–but this hardly makes up the bulk of my purchasing.

        If you want to purely patronize mega-corporations, that is of course your prerogative.

  7. Max Publius says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 8:52 am

    As if ISIS is some sort of extreme outlier and the rest of Islam is peaceful as the Quaker Brethren churches. Aaqil Ahmed is using ISIS as an exception in order to shield the rest of Islam. What about all the other Islamic terrorist groups? What about the hatred spewed by average imams at average mosques?

    What about the religious violence over entire regions of the globe, the Islamic supremacy and bigotry embedded in entire Islamic governments like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq, to name a few? What about the hatred of non-Muslims indoctrinated in the minds of hundreds of millions of average Muslims?

    Let’s get real. ISIS doesn’t even scratch the surface of the violence, bigotry and disfunction that flows from Islam.

    • Max Publius says

      Jun 2, 2016 at 8:55 am

      That should read “dysfunction”.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 3, 2016 at 12:36 am

      Max Publius wrote:

      As if ISIS is some sort of extreme outlier and the rest of Islam is peaceful as the Quaker Brethren churches. Aaqil Ahmed is using ISIS as an exception in order to shield the rest of Islam.
      ………………………..

      *Very* true. We used to hear this about Al Qaida; now we hear it about ISIS. Same old, same old.

  8. Don McKellar says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 8:57 am

    You were banned from the UK because Theresa May’s office bowed to the threats from Islamic supremacists and left-fascists to protest you if you came over there. Violent protests, no doubt with possible assassins lurking around. The heckler’s vote rules the UK under the Cameron regime. Pathetic.

    Aaqil Ahmed is the “right” color for left-fascists, so his speaking to truth will not make them mad. And as long as he is careful in how he phrases things, his fellow moslems probably won’t try and kill him. Though at this point he is now going to be on personal high alert and growing eyes on the back of his head. He knows what a dangerous tightrope he is now walking — if one of his fellow moslems thinks he fell off or is close to doing so, he’s a dead man.

  9. Jerry says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 9:04 am

    If islam truly were a religion of peace then why did allah teach murder and hate? If muslims valued peace then the JIHAD violence would be stricken from the record. But they won’t do that because islam is not just their religion, it’s a political system that includes hateful propaganda to control and incite their people to violence. But we’re supposed to believe that the doctrine of hate that inspired islam’s conquests and crimes is brand new, a sort of “hijack” of peaceful islam. Was it a 7th century Hijack of islam when the Arabian Peninsula pooped islamic vermin all over the Middle East, Africa, and Spain? No hijack, they were living islam’s violent fascism as decreed by their god. And it never changed throughout history, the violence has continued to the present day. So there’s nothing new about murder for god in islam. What’s new is our politically correct naivete and the multicultural myth that says all cultures are equal and deserve respect. But this is a dangerous and immoral lie. What islam stands for is a blatant contradiction of our hard-won human rights. Their culture is not equal to our own any more than a serial killer is equal to Mother Theresa.

    I don’t want more muslims, or their mosques, or their fascist influence in this country. Not because I’m a bigot, but because I’m against bigotry. And that’s what they represent to me, bigotry, and ignorance, with a great potential for violence and destruction of our culture, freedoms, and values.

    Muslims be gone, and take your Nazi-faith with you.

    • mortimer says

      Jun 2, 2016 at 9:13 am

      Jerry wrote: “Was it a 7th century Hijack of islam”?

      Yes. Many scholars see in the ‘Koran of Mecca’ a Christian heresy that was hijacked by warlords who transformed it into a warrior cult of murder, plunder, rape and torture. Caliph abd al Malik was ‘Mohammed’.

      • Jerry says

        Jun 2, 2016 at 10:02 am

        Oh for cripes sake, Mortimer, that’s so disingenuous of you to say. For you to go allllll the way back to the embryonic stage of islam, into their history’s primordial soup, and try and undermine my larger point is so nit-picky. I don’t care what a handful of “scholars” say, experts on the mythical past are a dime a dozen. I’m far more concerned about the tangible aspects of islam’s undeniable past of mass murder, rape, and destruction, for allah. And feel just fine doing it. Thanks anyway.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 2, 2016 at 10:22 am

          Yes Jerry
          Mortimer has a nasty habit of being shamelessly disingenuous.
          You make a solid case against Islam.

          Although you are atheist, please notice Mortimer’s distracting bizarre reference to Christianity as a reply. While Islam may very well have stolen from both Judaism and Christianity it serves no purpose to mention that in reply other than to distract from your point.
          —————————————————————————–

          “No hijack, they were living islam’s violent fascism as decreed by their god. “

        • Angemon says

          Jun 2, 2016 at 7:43 pm

          Jerry posted:

          “Oh for cripes sake, Mortimer, that’s so disingenuous of you to say. ”

          I think mortimer was being facetious – there’s a sharp difference between the meccan and medinan chapters, and there’s a hadith where caliph Malik talks about being the one who collected and compiled the quran.

    • Jerry says

      Jun 2, 2016 at 10:38 am

      Mortimer has a nasty habit of being shamelessly disingenuous.
      You make a solid case against Islam.
      Jay Boo

      Well, thanks. Mortimer is a fine contribution to this site in my little opinion, so I have nothing against him. But he as done this sort of thing before to me, and it seems to be for no good reason other than to be needlessly contentious. There may be a smidgen of truth to what he offered here, but it totally misses the larger point for the sake of wild speculation. So I don’t think much of this particular effort on his part, it served no real purpose. There’s a lot of interesting historical tidbits that are worth throwing out there. But when they are used superfluously to undermine an ally’s efforts I think that’s counter productive. And we are allies, despite any disagreements we JW fans may have between us. At least that’s how I feel about it.

      • Jay Boo says

        Jun 2, 2016 at 10:45 am

        You are correct.
        Sometimes Mortimer offers very good comments and I agree that in this case, Mortimer’s reply appears more about being “needlessly contentious” and (I would add perhaps a need to show off knowledge than anything else.

      • DFD says

        Jun 2, 2016 at 2:19 pm

        Jerry says: “….And we are allies, despite any disagreements we JW fans may have between us. At least that’s how I feel about it.”

        Most definitely so!
        ==============

        • Champ says

          Jun 2, 2016 at 7:31 pm

          Fessitude wrote:

          I dare say DFD & Jerry would change their tune if some JW regular called them “Donkey” and “Jackass” a few dozen times, and nobody chimed in to help him out after fucking years of this nonsense (from “Phillip Jihadski” in former times, now reprising his tiresome M.O. as “joe blow” — indeed, instead of helping out, they would occasionally blame the victim, rather than the bully)

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Really?! “Fess” cannot figure out WHY nobody chimes in to help him? Well, this certainly isn’t due to a lack of knowledge, since he has received *plenty* of feedback–over the years–regarding his abuse toward others on Jihad Watch. Wow this statement would be funny if it weren’t so jaw-dropping and pathetic.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 2, 2016 at 8:33 pm

          Champ posted:

          “Really?! “Fess” cannot figure out WHY nobody chimes in to help him? Well, this certainly isn’t due to a lack of knowledge, since he has received *plenty* of feedback–over the years–regarding his abuse toward others on Jihad Watch.”

          Indeed. But facts and evidence never stopped him from trying to drag people into becoming his personal flying monkeys – people should come and insult his critics because he says so. Someone called him a “jackass”? Well, why does he care? According to him, we’re all “fucktards” to begin with, so our opinion shouldn’t matter.

        • Champ says

          Jun 2, 2016 at 7:43 pm

          “Fessitude”, you’ve made your bed, now lie in it …

        • Angemon says

          Jun 2, 2016 at 8:39 pm

          Lie he will, as he is clearly so fond of lying 😉 . And, as he likes to remind us every so often, alone.

        • Champ says

          Jun 2, 2016 at 10:10 pm

          Angemon, that video is a *riot* and so fitting 😀 …good find!

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 3:33 pm

          Joe Blow is gone.

      • Jerry says

        Jun 2, 2016 at 7:25 pm

        I dare say DFD & Jerry would change their tune if some JW regular called them “Donkey” and “Jackass” a few dozen times…

        Don’t drag me into this.

  10. Angemon says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 9:08 am

    “That is where the difficulty comes in for many journalists, because the vast majority of Muslims won’t agree with ISIS.”

    Citation needed. In any case, whether or not “the vast majority of muslims” agrees with ISIS, that shouldn’t affect the role of journalists – collecting and circulating information.

    The Prime Minister said in January: “I think Muslim families around the country would have held their heads in despair this morning when once again you just called it ‘Islamic State’. You didn’t even say ‘so-called Islamic State’. It’s so important.”

    Oh, it is important indeed – to call it “islamic state”, that is, not going around to avoid calling it what it is.

  11. Jay Boo says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 9:14 am

    Good afternoon Muslim world.
    Still sleeping?

    It is time to wake up.
    Stop hitting that SNOOZE control of rationalization.
    How is ISIS behaving any different from sex-slave owning child rapist Muhammad?

    ISIS follows Muhammad’s disgrace to the letter.

  12. Ren says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 9:17 am

    Get the truth out on islam!

  13. Michael Johnson says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 9:35 am

    Isis is as Islamic as you can get

  14. torino390 says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 10:25 am

    They WANT terrorism, they WANT violence, they WANT chaos, they WANT bloodshed, they WANT civil unrest. This is all setting the scene for a reasonable amount of shit to hit the fan any time soon. Europe and the US are in this together. Be prepared as best you can.

    • Jay Boo says

      Jun 2, 2016 at 10:33 am

      Misery loves company.

  15. Michael Copeland says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 11:02 am

    “the vast majority of Muslims won’t agree ……”
    The “vast majority” may be quite interesting but they do not define, or alter, Islam.
    Islam is not a Trade Union.
    Islam is defined ONLY by its source texts.
    The “vast majority is irrelevant.
    Incidentally, the vast majority of muslims do not understand or speak Arabic, the language in which they are forced to learn and recite the Koran.
    As Rifqa Bary from Sri Lanka, teenage convert to Christianity, says,
    “In Islam you pray in Arabic, so you do not know what it is you are saying.”

  16. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    The BBC has a religion chief? I figured that it was an atheist only operation. Oh, I get it: the BBC Religion Chief’s job is to make sure the network bashes religion and the religious.

  17. The Thomas says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 1:12 pm

    “Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”
    Winston Churchill 1899:

    • Michael Copeland says

      Jun 2, 2016 at 6:23 pm

      Print your own Churchill on Islam wallet cards:
      http://www.libertygb.org.uk/news/churchill-islam-wallet-cards

  18. Guest says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 1:18 pm

    Oh what a surprise. Wait… We already knew that moron.

    • Thomas says

      Jun 2, 2016 at 4:26 pm

      “Oh what a surprise. Wait… We already knew that moron.”

      Then WHY are we in the situation we are today?

      It is obviously NOT KNOWN, or this whole thing would have been avoided.

      You think?

  19. Big Al says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 1:55 pm

    Islam is a cult and a blueprint for a theocratic totalitarian state based on the ravings of a so-called prophet who was a megalomaniac, a misogynist, a murderer and a paedophile. It is the most miserable life denying cult imaginable and should be banned worldwide. I am sick of hearing the lies of Muslims and the apologists for Islam. How anyone with a modicum of intelligence can be unable to see Islam for what it is is incomprehensible.

  20. gravenimage says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 2:43 pm

    The Prime Minister said in January: “I think Muslim families around the country would have held their heads in despair this morning when once again you just called it ‘Islamic State’. You didn’t even say ‘so-called Islamic State’…
    ……………………….

    But he does not realize that they only held their heads because the Taqiyya isn’t working everywhere…

    • Champ says

      Jun 2, 2016 at 3:28 pm

      OT:

      Graven, do you have Marc’s email? If you do, could you please provide it here or simply send me a private email. Thank you!

  21. R Cole says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    Of course Muslims know Islamic State has everything to do with Islam!!

    Which makes David Cameron sound so desperate!! Carrying Obama’s water!!

    ::

    This has been my opinion also – let’s acknowledge the difficult facts about Islam – then we can have open and honest debates.

    Otherwise – the criteria becomes too black and white and like that of a three year old.

    For many it is as simple as – the good Muslims think like us and the bad Muslims don’t.

    And anyone saying – it’s much more complicated than that – is shouted down – mainly by Leftwingers who – by what they don’t say – make it clear they have no knowledge of Islam.

    But if you can shout ‘racism’ the loudest you can clear a room – that could have held open debate and allowed others to hear nuanced opinion – pretty quickly.

    ::

    Just the Facts

    Here is where I see the problem – in my opinion terrorism is mostly for the state – it is the state’s job to protect the citizens – only when Muslims or Islamic groups indicate that they want Islamic law or an Islamic state here in the west –

    with these narrow confines criticizing the motives and objectives particularly of those described as good or moderate Muslims becomes difficult even hazardous – with the Left becoming increasingly reactionary.

    Even as what those described as good or moderate Muslims want is not dissimilar to what is the Islamic State or ISIS – possibly minus the violence – most would be quite happy with a similar arrangement.

    You could argue, fine – one man’s paradise. The only problem is that the Islamic paradise includes the re-organisation of the world. So that non-Muslims become citizens of and subjected to Islamic laws.

    ::

    The Islamic Utopia

    In one sense I think that we have to pull away from the Muslim idea to bring everyone under Islamic rule as being evil – but as their religious conviction.

    And further understand that when these Muslims/groups ask for something – we should have at least a basic understanding of what overall they wish to achieve.

    Say, with 5-10% of the children in a school being of the Muslim faith – and then there is pressure to take the whole school halal. And with the continuous push for the adoption of religious rules – in other public places – based on what ‘offends’ Islam – [and challenges harshly put down as “racist” even “Nazi”] next the rules would no longer be focused on western norms but on Islamic ones.

    It is the making of an Islamic state. If you have been to the Islamic world you will see it is rule by rule – law by law.

    But under hostile conditions around the discussion of Islam – under this climate of fear – people can’t speak up and say for ex. at the local school – can’t we simply offer these 7% Muslim kids an alternative halal meal option.

    ::

    No!

    The Left are often okay with these very dogmatic ways to control speech – many look to and revere the communist world – but actual former communists, those who lived under these regimes – say – that kind of controlled PC speech – we see in the west today – was detrimental of their society. It stopped the flow of ideas. And some believe this was their undoing.

    The Islamic world is straitjacketed by its medieval ideology – which many of its members hope one day the world will be straitjacketed too. Listen up, we are going to tell these ‘good’ Muslims no!!

  22. Mac Skiba says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 3:25 pm

    David Cameron is a politically correct little bitch.

  23. common sense says

    Jun 2, 2016 at 7:56 pm

    Half truths are ever the blackest of lies. Many of the people posting here obviously know all about Islam and I for one am all for reading all about it over and over. Repetition is the mother of all skills.

    I’d like to see Robert debate Mr. Ahmed on what “most Muslims” think “real” Islam really is and why the majority of Muslims polled would prefer Sharia law.

  24. Baconator says

    Jun 3, 2016 at 12:51 am

    whodathunkit? I thunk ISIL terrorists were all Buddhist monks and vegan Hindus.

  25. Baucent says

    Jun 3, 2016 at 4:08 am

    “That is where the difficulty comes in for many journalists, because the vast majority of Muslims won’t agree with ISIS.”

    As a journalist, Ahmed should be giving us some cold hard facts on muslim polling on ISIS and sharia. Actually some survey’s I have read show a remarkably high level of support for sharia law among muslims living in the West.
    He does acknowledge ISIS members are muslims. That fact is still disputed by lefty apologists and more than a few muslims.

  26. chanah says

    Jun 3, 2016 at 4:25 am

    most likely he will be beheaded for telling the truth and not using taqiyya like a good muslim is commanded their evil satanic so-called god and their false dead in hell profit

    • chanah says

      Jun 3, 2016 at 4:26 am

      should be “commanded by”

  27. firefox says

    Jun 3, 2016 at 12:48 pm

    ISLAMOPHOBIA!!!
    And from a Muslim??!
    White Islamophobia must be so dangerous it is can spread to Muslims.
    We must have laws against it.
    (END OF SARCASM)
    WHAT FOLLOWS IS SAD DEMENTED TRUTH:
    Thank you Trudeau for trying to stop this vicious disease and institute Canadian Islamophobia Laws before it destroys mankind!!!
    Trudeau is more of a dolt than this Muslim who, will likley be fired from his position for Islamophobic behavior.

    THESE ARE LINKS TO ARTICLES ON ISLAMIC CULTURE AND INBREEDING AND HEALTH ISSUES THAT HAVE SHOCKED ME – PLEASE READ
    I just read some excellent pieces that exposed a depth of darkness to Islam that shocked me, and made my already grave concerns, far more grave. This is what may be moving in next door and prove overwhelming to our costs in health care.
    You MUST read this:
    http://canadafreepress.com/article/the-primordial-world-of-islam
    …and you MUST read the comment of “Roquewave1”, here:
    http://canadafreepress.com/comments/the-primordial-world-of-islam#Comments
    …which contains a further link to this:
    https://pjmedia.com/blog/the-problem-of-inbreeding-in-islam/?singlepage=true#undefined

  28. Raja says

    Jun 3, 2016 at 1:46 pm

    Some seeming fresh air in otherwise stinking BBC which has essentially been anti Christian to masquerade as secular. entity. This is another evil under the sun in Muslim appeasement by Leftists and all power hungry. BBC need not be FOR any belief system but they must be truthful but sadly it is for Muslims by Muslims and of the Muslims. Is there no soul left in UK that they should pander to evil Islam and oppress the lambs (Christians)? When God’s people are oppressed He does his part. God has His own way of judging and avenging. BY that standard UK will be “finished” sooner or later because she cannot deliver justice to her own, especially God’s own.

  29. Glen says

    Jun 4, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    At last, some truth from within the KGBbc, don’t expect any more truths any time soon, the organisation is a disgrace and should be smashed to pieces.

  30. Ali Bey says

    Jun 6, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    No SOME FORM of Islamic doctrine, Islamic doctrine in its pure and literal meaning

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