Can’t deport citizens. But a demand for a new immigration law should be repeated again and again like a drumbeat: No further immigration of Muslims until a majority of Muslim-majority nations permit real freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
Robert Crawfordsays
They’re not citizens — their faith doesn’t allow them to swear loyalty to anything but the Caliphate. You can always repatriate Muslims to Muslim countries.
Angemonsays
Assuming they have another citizenship. For those who don’t, there’s always the charge of “treason”
Bobsays
How?
Rahulsays
MUSLIMS NEVER RESPECT OTHER RELIGION.IT’S HARD CORE WORDS.
Garysays
““For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods;”
….allah. The god who comes to rob, steal, kill, and destroy.
…allah. The god of hate.
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
….allah. The god who comes to rob, steal, kill, and destroy.
Don’t forget rape. There’s been a lot of that. We’ve got the long term action in Rotherham, which despite the BBC ignoring it was a factor in the Brexit vote, along with Oslo competing with Stockholm for the title as the rape capital of the world. Cologne was the cherry on top, so to speak.
noel lsqsays
they must be reeducated or sent to a country that will appreciate their ignorance.
mortimersays
…deprogramming Muslims will have to be done by government experts who will need to rely on experts like Robert Spencer and other scholars of the ‘REVISIONIST SCHOOL’ to create a history course to deprogram Muslims right of Islam.
Muslims must all learn that caliph Abd al Malik created Islam.
Jay Boosays
This is clearly written in their hate speech Qur’an.
You ought to know that by now.
Deprogram the Qur’an.
salimsays
The questions how can they learn it if nobody talks about it?
We may not like this and most probably will not believe it but all the statues in the west will be demolished once Islam in control. I don’t mean when all the West converts to Islam but I mean when Muslim numbers reach about double or three times the existing numbers.
Islam is deeply offended by the presence of more successful civilisations, so monuments and other signs of those civilisations has to disappear. This destruction will definitely extend to intellectual treasures (books, films, paintings etc). It is all part of proper true Islam, don’t be fooled by the behaviour of Muslims today as they are still in weakness.
Remember: They destroyed Buddha statue in Afghanistan, Palmyra, Musul artefacts and the Al Alamain cemetery in Libya. What did the West do? they didn’t like it and wrote articles about it and claimed its not true Islam.
The existing Muslims are mostly beyond repair, we can only hope that our leaders can force future generations to be more civilised but it might be too late. The West MUST face Islam head on with no half measures and it starts by allowing people like R Spencer to tell the truth in the main stream media. It is ideological war and still can be won just by few changes to our PC policies.
Kaysays
Most people in our country have still not heard of all these atrocities. They may have heard 1 or 2, but believe the obfuscations about motive and are far from being able to hear there is a threat from Muslims because they believe in their own tolerance which they believe is more righteous than other people (i.e. those who say there’s a threat from Muslims).
Jack Diamondsays
“They destroyed Buddha statue in Afghanistan, Palmyra, Musul artefacts and the Al Alamain cemetery in Libya. What did the West do?”
They “recreated” the arch of Palmyra (using a 3D printer) to put in Trafalgar Square as their act of defiance, because “if you destroy something we will rebuild it again.” Unfortunately, they couldn’t rebuild all the murdered Christians.
The self-censoring of films, books, theater, media so not to offend Islam has been going on a long time, it only takes a few Theo Van Goghs and Charlie Hebdos and Salman Rushdies to have the desired effect. And that’s when the Muslims are still “in weakness.”
CogitoErgoSumsays
Muslims mistake tolerance for weakness. That is because they themselves are tolerant only when they are in a position of weakness. We should never allow them to become strong because they will not tolerate our freedom.
eduardo odraudesays
Imagine: Michelangelo’s paintings in the Sistine Chapel, gone.
salimsays
Muslims are still a minority but Islam is already making its marks on our civilisation. free speech and academia were the first casualties. Islam is sensitive to the notion that other civilisations are/were excellent. Mohammed changed the name of the enlightenment in pre islamic period to the period of ignorance (jahilyia), which is exactly what Muslims call the West today.
The West is facilitating this. A few years ago there was a campaign about the islamic achievements in science where they claimed that islam made 1001 scientific inventions, almost everything has its roots in islamic science. It was a very big lie (like everything else in islam) but the campaign was celebrated by governments and organisations although the lies were evident.
I am surrounded by Muslims and even the highly educated ones call the statues “asnam” that must go(especially the nude ones). I honestly don’t see how the nude statues and paintings can survive without offending the Muslims. We already have a Muslim mayor in London and his first action was to ban “too revealing” poster of women in adverts.
gravenimagesays
eduardo odraude wrote:
Imagine: Michelangelo’s paintings in the Sistine Chapel, gone.
………………….
As an artist and art historian, I find this especially chilling. Muslims have destroyed art and artifacts all over the world, and are aiming at the West.
This story from 2012 in the Maldives is perhaps one of the most disturbing of all, where ravening Muslims destroyed virtually the island nation’s *entire artistic heritage* in a single hideous rampage:
“It begins: Muslims in Maldives smash Buddhist statues in National Museum”
…deprogramming Muslims will have to be done by government experts who will need to rely on experts like Robert Spencer and other scholars of the ‘REVISIONIST SCHOOL’ to create a history course to deprogram Muslims right of Islam.
…………………………..
Mortimer, I know you have flogged the idea of “deprogramming” Muslims here scores of times, without ever saying how you propose that would be done, since Muslim despise the “filthy Infidels” and would not listen to them.
Your implication that Robert Spencer is advocating “deprogramming” Muslims or that he is developing such a program is quite mistaken.
He has, in fact, been quite critical of the whole idea as one which does not work:
“Saudi Arabia ‘reprogramming’ jihadists through ‘art therapy’”
“It is hard to imagine what form this would take…”, and predicts the project is foredoomed.
We *have* beaten back the threat of Islam before–but never by counting on the reformation of Muslims.
Idaniasays
Re-edúcate? a muslim?, that had been fed the Qur’an front birth? Don’t think is very possible. Those people do not think, they aré fanatics.
Michael Copelandsays
The tomb of Saint Elian at the now demolished Mar Elian monastery was destroyed by Islamic State “because it is dedicated to a god other than Allah”.
Angemonsays
Indeed, just like the Tomb of Jonah.
Kellysays
What has happened to Jacques Mourad, the priest from St Elian?
Is there someone who can put together a “slideshow” showing this continued destruction of artifacts and culture through Muslim violence? If someone could get such a thing onto mainstream media–or maybe even Facebook–it might open some eyes about these not just being random incidents but a definite pattern.
eduardo odraudesays
Jacques Mourad seems to be fine, as far as I can tell from a google search.
Idaniasays
The people don’t see what they don’t want to see. Just look back to 1400 years of history. History is repeating itself.
If there is hope, action should be taken now.
linntesays
Supremacist jerks!
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
Winners. Call them what they are. Just take a look at what Merkel’s done, that’s called unconditional victory.
Jay Boosays
Maybe it was not a Muslim but an American Leftist tourist.
Angelina Jolie?
Join Stewart?
Jane Fonda?
Ben Affleck?
gravenimagesays
I think not.
Voytek Gagalkasays
It must be some semi-literate prank who barely can spell properly. Where is usual “u” immediately after “Allah” ( as in “Allahu Akbar”) ? If that was Mohammedan, he offended his “god” by spelling “his” name in grammatically improper form in alphabet of “crusaders” – off with his head! If he was not, he should go back to school and learn proper grammar first before making fool of himself!
Eursays
in Morocco which it is always the example of less orthodox Muslim country ( ejemppp ) there are millions of illiterate , imagine in mauritania … bufff
Westmansays
I wss wondering why it wasn’t in Arabic script? I would think any Muslims would learn it about the time they first learned to spell their own names.
Zésays
It’s in a script the infidel can read.
A public statement is not very effective if the target doesn’t understand.
gravenimagesays
I agree with Zé–they used the Roman alphabet to more easily strike terror in the hearts of the “filthy Infidels”. Moreover, not all pious Muslims can write Arabic script, in any case.
Fitting that such acts are called vandalism, after invading tribes of the 5th century.
I wonder how long before muslimism is a word, and exactly what nastiness it will describe.
CogitoErgoSumsays
In translating the article I find that it states, “Use of the name of God to offend others is blasphemy.” I don’t know if that is part of Italian law but I would agree that writing or shouting “Allah Akbar” is definitely offensive to me. However, I do not agree that God should be addressed as Allah.
eduardo odraudesays
In a core Islamic text, Muhammad speaks of help from terror, his right to spoils of war, and his mission to all mankind
Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) said: I have been given superiority over the other prophets in six respects: I have been given words which are concise but comprehensive in meaning; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me: the earth has been made for me clean and a place of worship; I have been sent to all mankind and the line of prophets is closed with me.
Notice also that Muhammad here calls himself the last prophet, so no one can ever come along and correct anything he taught.
mortimersays
Mohammed committed and commanded religious vandalism, so it is normative Islam, rather than an aberration.
We should expect much more vandalism. After vandalism comes the abuse of living people, soon to be tortured, then dead people.
How much suffering will Western countries take before they say ‘no’ to Islam? Spain absorbed Islamic pain for hundreds of years before expelling all Muslims, including many Christian converts who did not seem
mortimersays
…including many Christian converts who did not seem trustworthy to the traumatized Spaniards.
Hopesays
Jihad Watchers may remember that, back in March (Easter time), Catholic church statues in 3 Massachusetts towns were attacked and destroyed. The outdoor statues of the Virgin Mary had their heads and hands cut off, and one statue of Mary was sprayed with black paint to simulate a burqua. One statue had the Arabic symbol for “Allah” sprayed on it, although the vile, dishonest media cropped the published photo to hide this fact.
Anyway, my online research shows that no arrests whatsoever have been made in these cases. It seems the story was made to disappear as soon as it was reported. Interesting , though…further research shows that one of these Massachusetts towns is also home to an “Islamic Center” that was defaced with spray paint last November. Well, the arrest in that case was made within just a few days of the crime! And that case made international news!
So, if the perpetrators are a couple of white guys and the victims are muslim, the police investigate and make an arrest. If the victims are Christian? Forget it. Do you suppose police went to that “Islamic Center” and asked some questions about who might have done the Catholic church vandalism? Why no! That would be racist. And Islamophobic.
eduardo odraudesays
Hope,
I believe we should not mix this up with race. This is not about “white guys.” That is how the enemy wants the media to frame it. That we are a bunch of racists. That makes the job of Islam-critics, which is already hard enough, impossible.
This is not about race. It’s about an expansionist totalitarian belief system called Islam. Islam is not a race, it’s a choice, one that can legitimately be criticized.
If someone insists on claiming that we are racists, it should pointed out that Muslims are of all races, and what’s more, the core Islamic texts in about ten different places describe Muhammad as “white.” So in PC terms, to be an Islam critic is to criticize a dead white male.
Hopesays
eduardo, you are right. Our counter-jihad fight is not about race and I did not mean to make it about race. When I said “white guys,” I meant that the 2 guys arrested had Italian-American names. It just seems that the media is immediately forthcoming with suspects’ names when those suspects are white Americans. If a suspect is a muslim or an illegal immigrant, the information is withheld for as long as possible. It is actually the liberal media that make it about race, because they have a leftist narrative and agenda to pursue.
gravenimagesays
Hope, I haven’t forgotten this vandalism, even if authorities have.
And I agree with you and eduardo that this is not about race, but about the repulsive ideology of Islam.
Wellingtonsays
As William Shirer, author of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, observed, Italy has about half of the great art of the world. The rest of the word has the other half. Much of this art is pictorial of course and thus anathema to Islam’s iconoclasm, as Muslim terrorist groups have frequently indicated. Thus much danger looms for the preservation of a priceless heritage and so I hope Italy votes in October, as the British did just last week, to leave the EU and then begin to take control of its own borders once again accompanied by a realistic awareness of what Islam means for Italy if Islam gets its way. Much depends on this vote, including quite arguably the preservation of innumerable masterpieces of sculpture and painting.
eduardo odraudesays
Agreed, Wellington. But is it pictorial art that is outlawed by orthodox Islam? I thought it was any art that portrays animals or human beings (since they have souls, and only Allah can create souls, not artists). If art only portrays a landscape and plants, I guess that might be “halal.”
CogitoErgoSumsays
It would seem to me that Muslims should consider animals as having souls. Just what kind of soul I am sure. See Quran 6:38:
“And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.”
It’s also interesting to note that when Pope Francis was asked about dogs going to heaven, he thought that they would. However, when I checked some more concerning what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about the soul, I found that, yes, it teaches that all living things do have a soul ….. even plants. However, the souls of plants and animals are not rational souls like the souls of human beings and thus they cease to exist upon death … unlike man’s rational and immortal soul.
Why the Pope did not mention this or seem even to know about it amazes me. He should have learned it while in the seminary.
CogitoErgoSumsays
Correction: Why do I tend to leave out that little three-letter word NOT? The second sentence of the first paragraph should be: Just what kind of soul I am not sure.
Wellingtonsays
“He should have learned it while in the seminary.”
There is much, CES, Francis should have learned but didn’t.
Wellingtonsays
Yes, I should have been more specific than my use of the word “pictorial” since this could include mere landscapes. Of course, any representation of humans, let alone more lofty entities like a deity and angels, are verboten in Islam and since Islam produces control freaks galore who insist on their way only, much representational art is subject to destruction by Muslim barbarians, like the Buddhist statues destroyed by the Taliban years ago in Afghanistan.
It is a travesty! I do not think Italians will tolerate much of this behavior.
Ex-muslimsays
The only way to rid islamic terror and jihad off the West is to ban islam and deport or convert muslims to another more humane and peaceful religion.
R Colesays
Allah Akbar!!
Warning! Battle cry!!
‘San Petronio is the patron saint of Bologna’
Muslim migrants in Europe with nothing to do – but wait around for the Islamic paradise!! People feel sorry for you – they pay for your whole life – you can bring your relatives and they will pay for them too!!
Richard Paulsensays
How much of this rubbish will Europé and eurooeans take? Before reacting, or if reacting at all.
Lionesssays
It will take a while longer, but eventually people will wake up from the nightmare of islam and start fighting to take their countries and their freedom back. New generations will see that their parents have sold them a pack of lies and now they are the ones to free themselves from the deception. There will be a bloody clash like no other in history, that will decide the fate of western civilization – whether it lives or dies. God help us all.
andrew sapiasays
The demographic problem is so hard for people to see. What they need to look at is the number of young people. It used to be a decade ago that the number of British men of fighting age was like 20 to one and now it is like 9 to one and fast approaching 5 to 1. The longer you wait to take your country back the more difficult and less likely to succeed without total destruction. Imagine London being like Fallujah, or Lebanon door to door fighting. Don’t think it can’t happen. I believe France will be forced to partition their country at some point. Sweden is finished almost no matter what they do at this point. They are already past the point of no return.
Richard Paulsensays
There should be a referendum concerning immigration into Europe.
gravenimagesays
Italy: Saint’s statue defaced with “Allah akbar”
……………………..
And the story just following this one on Jihad Watch?
“Sweden: Muslim screaming ‘Allahu akbar’ smashes up Malmo church
The other end of the continent; same old Jihad desecration.
TheBuffstersays
Certainly the art treasures of the West are in danger along with all our other values the more that the West imports Muslims and their culture and religion.
But in this particular case I wonder whether the “Allah AKBAR” was not done by a Muslim, but rather a non-Muslim trying to stir things up. I could be mistaken, but it seems to me that actual Muslims don’t say “Allah akbar”, while many times non-Muslims hear it and say it that way. Muslims say “Allahu” with their “akbar”.
At least that’s how I’ve observed it.
Richard Paulsensays
A muslim unused to other letters than his own might have scrawled.
andrew sapiasays
The destruction of Christendom and the end of the Catholic consensus in Europe was the end of resistance to the Islamic hordes. Unless Europe returns to “The Faith” it is finished. Secular Europe is no match for Islam and Protestantism even less. It was the Catholics that resisted Islamic incursion at Malta, Lepanto, Vienna, Poitiers, and in Spain. The Protestants actually sided with the Sultan.
eur says
Deport them allllllll
eduardo odraude says
Can’t deport citizens. But a demand for a new immigration law should be repeated again and again like a drumbeat: No further immigration of Muslims until a majority of Muslim-majority nations permit real freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
Robert Crawford says
They’re not citizens — their faith doesn’t allow them to swear loyalty to anything but the Caliphate. You can always repatriate Muslims to Muslim countries.
Angemon says
Assuming they have another citizenship. For those who don’t, there’s always the charge of “treason”
Bob says
How?
Rahul says
MUSLIMS NEVER RESPECT OTHER RELIGION.IT’S HARD CORE WORDS.
Gary says
““For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods;”
….allah. The god who comes to rob, steal, kill, and destroy.
…allah. The god of hate.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
….allah. The god who comes to rob, steal, kill, and destroy.
Don’t forget rape. There’s been a lot of that. We’ve got the long term action in Rotherham, which despite the BBC ignoring it was a factor in the Brexit vote, along with Oslo competing with Stockholm for the title as the rape capital of the world. Cologne was the cherry on top, so to speak.
noel lsq says
they must be reeducated or sent to a country that will appreciate their ignorance.
mortimer says
…deprogramming Muslims will have to be done by government experts who will need to rely on experts like Robert Spencer and other scholars of the ‘REVISIONIST SCHOOL’ to create a history course to deprogram Muslims right of Islam.
Muslims must all learn that caliph Abd al Malik created Islam.
Jay Boo says
This is clearly written in their hate speech Qur’an.
You ought to know that by now.
Deprogram the Qur’an.
salim says
The questions how can they learn it if nobody talks about it?
We may not like this and most probably will not believe it but all the statues in the west will be demolished once Islam in control. I don’t mean when all the West converts to Islam but I mean when Muslim numbers reach about double or three times the existing numbers.
Islam is deeply offended by the presence of more successful civilisations, so monuments and other signs of those civilisations has to disappear. This destruction will definitely extend to intellectual treasures (books, films, paintings etc). It is all part of proper true Islam, don’t be fooled by the behaviour of Muslims today as they are still in weakness.
Remember: They destroyed Buddha statue in Afghanistan, Palmyra, Musul artefacts and the Al Alamain cemetery in Libya. What did the West do? they didn’t like it and wrote articles about it and claimed its not true Islam.
The existing Muslims are mostly beyond repair, we can only hope that our leaders can force future generations to be more civilised but it might be too late. The West MUST face Islam head on with no half measures and it starts by allowing people like R Spencer to tell the truth in the main stream media. It is ideological war and still can be won just by few changes to our PC policies.
Kay says
Most people in our country have still not heard of all these atrocities. They may have heard 1 or 2, but believe the obfuscations about motive and are far from being able to hear there is a threat from Muslims because they believe in their own tolerance which they believe is more righteous than other people (i.e. those who say there’s a threat from Muslims).
Jack Diamond says
“They destroyed Buddha statue in Afghanistan, Palmyra, Musul artefacts and the Al Alamain cemetery in Libya. What did the West do?”
They “recreated” the arch of Palmyra (using a 3D printer) to put in Trafalgar Square as their act of defiance, because “if you destroy something we will rebuild it again.” Unfortunately, they couldn’t rebuild all the murdered Christians.
The self-censoring of films, books, theater, media so not to offend Islam has been going on a long time, it only takes a few Theo Van Goghs and Charlie Hebdos and Salman Rushdies to have the desired effect. And that’s when the Muslims are still “in weakness.”
CogitoErgoSum says
Muslims mistake tolerance for weakness. That is because they themselves are tolerant only when they are in a position of weakness. We should never allow them to become strong because they will not tolerate our freedom.
eduardo odraude says
Imagine: Michelangelo’s paintings in the Sistine Chapel, gone.
salim says
Muslims are still a minority but Islam is already making its marks on our civilisation. free speech and academia were the first casualties. Islam is sensitive to the notion that other civilisations are/were excellent. Mohammed changed the name of the enlightenment in pre islamic period to the period of ignorance (jahilyia), which is exactly what Muslims call the West today.
The West is facilitating this. A few years ago there was a campaign about the islamic achievements in science where they claimed that islam made 1001 scientific inventions, almost everything has its roots in islamic science. It was a very big lie (like everything else in islam) but the campaign was celebrated by governments and organisations although the lies were evident.
I am surrounded by Muslims and even the highly educated ones call the statues “asnam” that must go(especially the nude ones). I honestly don’t see how the nude statues and paintings can survive without offending the Muslims. We already have a Muslim mayor in London and his first action was to ban “too revealing” poster of women in adverts.
gravenimage says
eduardo odraude wrote:
Imagine: Michelangelo’s paintings in the Sistine Chapel, gone.
………………….
As an artist and art historian, I find this especially chilling. Muslims have destroyed art and artifacts all over the world, and are aiming at the West.
This story from 2012 in the Maldives is perhaps one of the most disturbing of all, where ravening Muslims destroyed virtually the island nation’s *entire artistic heritage* in a single hideous rampage:
“It begins: Muslims in Maldives smash Buddhist statues in National Museum”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/it-begins-muslims-in-maldives-smash-buddhist-statues-in-national-museum
Their plans for the West are no different.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
…deprogramming Muslims will have to be done by government experts who will need to rely on experts like Robert Spencer and other scholars of the ‘REVISIONIST SCHOOL’ to create a history course to deprogram Muslims right of Islam.
…………………………..
Mortimer, I know you have flogged the idea of “deprogramming” Muslims here scores of times, without ever saying how you propose that would be done, since Muslim despise the “filthy Infidels” and would not listen to them.
Your implication that Robert Spencer is advocating “deprogramming” Muslims or that he is developing such a program is quite mistaken.
He has, in fact, been quite critical of the whole idea as one which does not work:
“Saudi Arabia ‘reprogramming’ jihadists through ‘art therapy’”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/saudi-arabia-reprogramming-jihadists-through-art-therapy
“Australia: 10 school-age children in government-run jihad rehab”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/australia-10-school-age-children-in-government-run-jihad-rehab?doing_wp_cron=1467065610.4478681087493896484375
Re the Australian program, Robert Spencer writes:
“It is hard to imagine what form this would take…”, and predicts the project is foredoomed.
We *have* beaten back the threat of Islam before–but never by counting on the reformation of Muslims.
Idania says
Re-edúcate? a muslim?, that had been fed the Qur’an front birth? Don’t think is very possible. Those people do not think, they aré fanatics.
Michael Copeland says
The tomb of Saint Elian at the now demolished Mar Elian monastery was destroyed by Islamic State “because it is dedicated to a god other than Allah”.
Angemon says
Indeed, just like the Tomb of Jonah.
Kelly says
What has happened to Jacques Mourad, the priest from St Elian?
Is there someone who can put together a “slideshow” showing this continued destruction of artifacts and culture through Muslim violence? If someone could get such a thing onto mainstream media–or maybe even Facebook–it might open some eyes about these not just being random incidents but a definite pattern.
eduardo odraude says
Jacques Mourad seems to be fine, as far as I can tell from a google search.
Idania says
The people don’t see what they don’t want to see. Just look back to 1400 years of history. History is repeating itself.
If there is hope, action should be taken now.
linnte says
Supremacist jerks!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Winners. Call them what they are. Just take a look at what Merkel’s done, that’s called unconditional victory.
Jay Boo says
Maybe it was not a Muslim but an American Leftist tourist.
Angelina Jolie?
Join Stewart?
Jane Fonda?
Ben Affleck?
gravenimage says
I think not.
Voytek Gagalka says
It must be some semi-literate prank who barely can spell properly. Where is usual “u” immediately after “Allah” ( as in “Allahu Akbar”) ? If that was Mohammedan, he offended his “god” by spelling “his” name in grammatically improper form in alphabet of “crusaders” – off with his head! If he was not, he should go back to school and learn proper grammar first before making fool of himself!
Eur says
in Morocco which it is always the example of less orthodox Muslim country ( ejemppp ) there are millions of illiterate , imagine in mauritania … bufff
Westman says
I wss wondering why it wasn’t in Arabic script? I would think any Muslims would learn it about the time they first learned to spell their own names.
Zé says
It’s in a script the infidel can read.
A public statement is not very effective if the target doesn’t understand.
gravenimage says
I agree with Zé–they used the Roman alphabet to more easily strike terror in the hearts of the “filthy Infidels”. Moreover, not all pious Muslims can write Arabic script, in any case.
WorkingClassPost says
Fitting that such acts are called vandalism, after invading tribes of the 5th century.
I wonder how long before muslimism is a word, and exactly what nastiness it will describe.
CogitoErgoSum says
In translating the article I find that it states, “Use of the name of God to offend others is blasphemy.” I don’t know if that is part of Italian law but I would agree that writing or shouting “Allah Akbar” is definitely offensive to me. However, I do not agree that God should be addressed as Allah.
eduardo odraude says
In a core Islamic text, Muhammad speaks of help from terror, his right to spoils of war, and his mission to all mankind
In a canonical hadith collection, Sahih Muslim:
LINK: Book 4, Number 1062:
Notice also that Muhammad here calls himself the last prophet, so no one can ever come along and correct anything he taught.
mortimer says
Mohammed committed and commanded religious vandalism, so it is normative Islam, rather than an aberration.
We should expect much more vandalism. After vandalism comes the abuse of living people, soon to be tortured, then dead people.
How much suffering will Western countries take before they say ‘no’ to Islam? Spain absorbed Islamic pain for hundreds of years before expelling all Muslims, including many Christian converts who did not seem
mortimer says
…including many Christian converts who did not seem trustworthy to the traumatized Spaniards.
Hope says
Jihad Watchers may remember that, back in March (Easter time), Catholic church statues in 3 Massachusetts towns were attacked and destroyed. The outdoor statues of the Virgin Mary had their heads and hands cut off, and one statue of Mary was sprayed with black paint to simulate a burqua. One statue had the Arabic symbol for “Allah” sprayed on it, although the vile, dishonest media cropped the published photo to hide this fact.
Anyway, my online research shows that no arrests whatsoever have been made in these cases. It seems the story was made to disappear as soon as it was reported. Interesting , though…further research shows that one of these Massachusetts towns is also home to an “Islamic Center” that was defaced with spray paint last November. Well, the arrest in that case was made within just a few days of the crime! And that case made international news!
So, if the perpetrators are a couple of white guys and the victims are muslim, the police investigate and make an arrest. If the victims are Christian? Forget it. Do you suppose police went to that “Islamic Center” and asked some questions about who might have done the Catholic church vandalism? Why no! That would be racist. And Islamophobic.
eduardo odraude says
Hope,
I believe we should not mix this up with race. This is not about “white guys.” That is how the enemy wants the media to frame it. That we are a bunch of racists. That makes the job of Islam-critics, which is already hard enough, impossible.
This is not about race. It’s about an expansionist totalitarian belief system called Islam. Islam is not a race, it’s a choice, one that can legitimately be criticized.
If someone insists on claiming that we are racists, it should pointed out that Muslims are of all races, and what’s more, the core Islamic texts in about ten different places describe Muhammad as “white.” So in PC terms, to be an Islam critic is to criticize a dead white male.
Hope says
eduardo, you are right. Our counter-jihad fight is not about race and I did not mean to make it about race. When I said “white guys,” I meant that the 2 guys arrested had Italian-American names. It just seems that the media is immediately forthcoming with suspects’ names when those suspects are white Americans. If a suspect is a muslim or an illegal immigrant, the information is withheld for as long as possible. It is actually the liberal media that make it about race, because they have a leftist narrative and agenda to pursue.
gravenimage says
Hope, I haven’t forgotten this vandalism, even if authorities have.
And I agree with you and eduardo that this is not about race, but about the repulsive ideology of Islam.
Wellington says
As William Shirer, author of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, observed, Italy has about half of the great art of the world. The rest of the word has the other half. Much of this art is pictorial of course and thus anathema to Islam’s iconoclasm, as Muslim terrorist groups have frequently indicated. Thus much danger looms for the preservation of a priceless heritage and so I hope Italy votes in October, as the British did just last week, to leave the EU and then begin to take control of its own borders once again accompanied by a realistic awareness of what Islam means for Italy if Islam gets its way. Much depends on this vote, including quite arguably the preservation of innumerable masterpieces of sculpture and painting.
eduardo odraude says
Agreed, Wellington. But is it pictorial art that is outlawed by orthodox Islam? I thought it was any art that portrays animals or human beings (since they have souls, and only Allah can create souls, not artists). If art only portrays a landscape and plants, I guess that might be “halal.”
CogitoErgoSum says
It would seem to me that Muslims should consider animals as having souls. Just what kind of soul I am sure. See Quran 6:38:
“And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.”
It’s also interesting to note that when Pope Francis was asked about dogs going to heaven, he thought that they would. However, when I checked some more concerning what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about the soul, I found that, yes, it teaches that all living things do have a soul ….. even plants. However, the souls of plants and animals are not rational souls like the souls of human beings and thus they cease to exist upon death … unlike man’s rational and immortal soul.
Why the Pope did not mention this or seem even to know about it amazes me. He should have learned it while in the seminary.
CogitoErgoSum says
Correction: Why do I tend to leave out that little three-letter word NOT? The second sentence of the first paragraph should be: Just what kind of soul I am not sure.
Wellington says
“He should have learned it while in the seminary.”
There is much, CES, Francis should have learned but didn’t.
Wellington says
Yes, I should have been more specific than my use of the word “pictorial” since this could include mere landscapes. Of course, any representation of humans, let alone more lofty entities like a deity and angels, are verboten in Islam and since Islam produces control freaks galore who insist on their way only, much representational art is subject to destruction by Muslim barbarians, like the Buddhist statues destroyed by the Taliban years ago in Afghanistan.
gravenimage says
Seeing Muslims targeting Italy’s deeply rich artistic heritage is incredibly alarming.
linnte says
It is a travesty! I do not think Italians will tolerate much of this behavior.
Ex-muslim says
The only way to rid islamic terror and jihad off the West is to ban islam and deport or convert muslims to another more humane and peaceful religion.
R Cole says
Allah Akbar!!
Warning! Battle cry!!
‘San Petronio is the patron saint of Bologna’
Muslim migrants in Europe with nothing to do – but wait around for the Islamic paradise!! People feel sorry for you – they pay for your whole life – you can bring your relatives and they will pay for them too!!
Richard Paulsen says
How much of this rubbish will Europé and eurooeans take? Before reacting, or if reacting at all.
Lioness says
It will take a while longer, but eventually people will wake up from the nightmare of islam and start fighting to take their countries and their freedom back. New generations will see that their parents have sold them a pack of lies and now they are the ones to free themselves from the deception. There will be a bloody clash like no other in history, that will decide the fate of western civilization – whether it lives or dies. God help us all.
andrew sapia says
The demographic problem is so hard for people to see. What they need to look at is the number of young people. It used to be a decade ago that the number of British men of fighting age was like 20 to one and now it is like 9 to one and fast approaching 5 to 1. The longer you wait to take your country back the more difficult and less likely to succeed without total destruction. Imagine London being like Fallujah, or Lebanon door to door fighting. Don’t think it can’t happen. I believe France will be forced to partition their country at some point. Sweden is finished almost no matter what they do at this point. They are already past the point of no return.
Richard Paulsen says
There should be a referendum concerning immigration into Europe.
gravenimage says
Italy: Saint’s statue defaced with “Allah akbar”
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And the story just following this one on Jihad Watch?
“Sweden: Muslim screaming ‘Allahu akbar’ smashes up Malmo church
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/sweden-muslim-screaming-allahu-akbar-smashes-up-malmo-church/comment-page-1#comment-1467763
The other end of the continent; same old Jihad desecration.
TheBuffster says
Certainly the art treasures of the West are in danger along with all our other values the more that the West imports Muslims and their culture and religion.
But in this particular case I wonder whether the “Allah AKBAR” was not done by a Muslim, but rather a non-Muslim trying to stir things up. I could be mistaken, but it seems to me that actual Muslims don’t say “Allah akbar”, while many times non-Muslims hear it and say it that way. Muslims say “Allahu” with their “akbar”.
At least that’s how I’ve observed it.
Richard Paulsen says
A muslim unused to other letters than his own might have scrawled.
andrew sapia says
The destruction of Christendom and the end of the Catholic consensus in Europe was the end of resistance to the Islamic hordes. Unless Europe returns to “The Faith” it is finished. Secular Europe is no match for Islam and Protestantism even less. It was the Catholics that resisted Islamic incursion at Malta, Lepanto, Vienna, Poitiers, and in Spain. The Protestants actually sided with the Sultan.