In the never-ending quest to exonerate Islam of responsibility for atrocities committed in its name and in accord with its teachings, the latest scenario is that Omar Mateen had homosexual desires and was deeply conflicted, finally lashing out violently against those who represented the tendencies he hated within himself. As the New York Daily News puts it here, he was just a “homophobic maniac,” not an Islamic jihadi, and his attack had nothing whatsoever to do with Islam.
It may actually be true: maybe Mateen was lashing out violently against those who represented the tendencies he hated within himself. But why did he have this hatred? Growing up in a devout Muslim household in which the father praised the Taliban, he no doubt learned that homosexuals were vile and should be put to death, in accord with Muhammad’s command. That his apparent revulsion at his gay attractions resulted in mass murder is a consequence of his religious and cultural milieu: he was a devout adherent of a religion that mandates death for homosexuals, and the son of a man who supports a group that puts gays to death (even as homosexual behavior is rampant in Afghanistan). So when he decides to strike out against what he hates within himself, he doesn’t just go and preach at gays, or join an ex-gay group. Instead, he commits mass murder at a gay nightclub. Muhammad, the Islamic prophet who commanded that gays be put to death, would have been pleased. What better way for a conflicted gay Muslim to counter on Allah’s great scales the weight of his homosexual activity and get back into Allah’s good graces than by killing a large number of gay Infidels?
Also, Mateen scouted out Disney as a possible location for a jihad attack. Was that because he was conflicted about his attraction to the Seven Dwarfs?
“Orlando shooter was regular at Pulse gay club; former classmate says Omar Mateen was homosexual,” by Edgar Sandoval, Chelsia Rose Marcius, and Ginger Adams Otis, New York Daily News, June 13, 2016:
Omar Mateen lived a double life.
The homophobic maniac who murdered 49 people inside Orlando’s gay-friendly nightclub Pulse Sunday morning had been hanging out there for three years — and chatted with men via online dating services like Grindr, said multiple witnesses who claimed to have firsthand knowledge of Mateen’s habits.
Mateen’s family said his bloody rampage was sparked by anti-gay hatred.
But his ex-wife, Sitora Yusufiy, when asked on CNN Monday if he was gay, sat in silence for a few seconds before answering, “I don’t know.”
She said Mateen — who she married in 2009 but left months later, claiming he beat her — confessed to her that he liked to go nightclubbing.
“When we had gotten married, he confessed to me about his past — that was recent at that time — and that he very much enjoyed going to clubs and the nightlife,” Yusufiy said. “So, I feel like it’s a side of him or a part of him that he lived but probably didn’t want everybody to know about.”
As rumors circulated that Mateen had been hiding a double life, his father Seddique Mateen insisted Monday his son was not gay.
“It’s not true. Why, if he is gay, would he do this?” said the elder Mateen.
“If it was true I would say yes, if it’s not true I say it’s not true,” he added.
A former classmate of Omar Mateen’s 2006 police academy class, however, said he believed Mateen was gay.
Speaking to WFTV9 in Orlando, the classmate, who asked not to be named, said he was gay in 2006 but had not yet come out about his sexuality.
Mateen had asked him out, the classmate said.
“We went to a few gay bars with him, and I was not out at the time, so I declined his offer,” the former classmate said.
“He just wanted to fit in and no one liked him,” he said. “He was always socially awkward,” the classmate told WFTV9.
Mateen, who had married again, this time to Noor Salman who bore him a son, also visited Pulse several times over the past three years, according to club patrons.
One couple, who work together as drag-dancing performers, said they’d seen Mateen as many as a dozen times at Pulse.
“I’ve seen him a couple of times at Pulse, a couple of other people that I’ve spoken with, including an-ex security guard, have actually witnessed this guy at Pulse many times before,” said Callen, who performs as Kristina McLauglin.
“One friend was a security guard there two years ago and she remembers him,” Callen told the Daily News.
He estimates Mateen began showing up about three years ago. Everybody was blown away to realize he was the man responsible for the slaughter.
“It’s shocking to everyone because we saw him there before,” said Callen.
He said one night Mateen got angry about a religious joke and pulled a knife on a friend. But it was nothing the friend couldn’t handle, Callen said….
“As I was onstage he was standing next to somebody, having a conversation, having a good time close to the stage. Later on that night … he was out there dancing with another guy. It could be he just went crazy. Maybe he got radicalized and hated who he was,” Callen said.

miriamrove says
Muslims countries have more gay people in them than the entire west. m
Jerry says
Muslims countries have more gay people in them than the entire west. m
To quote a funny line from the tv show Seinfeld, “Not that there’s anything wrong with that.” 😉
A somewhat related topic is the mass raping of women and kids in Europe by muslim men, and the internet porn so popular in most islamic countries.
http://postober.com/general/top-10-countries-that-watch-the-most-porn/
Islam’s religious side seems to have done little to improve muslims’ spiritually or morally, they have no right condemning gays. Not only are they religious hypocrites, their members are committing mass murder and terrorism for hateful and bigoted reasons. There’s nothing noble or virtuous about killing and terrorizing for religion. We’re constantly told that not all muslims are “bad” just because a minority are terrorizing for allah. I suppose in the same way not all dogs are bad just because some are rabid and bite. However, if a majority of dogs had been bitten by the same rabid squirrel then I think we’d start seeing dogs a little differently. Maybe that analogy is too facetious to work, but I think there’s a worthwhile point here. And that is, a majority of muslims have been bitten by the same rabid squirrel, islam. And until we figure out how to deal with millions of “rabid” muslims for islam I think we should do as our next president suggests: SHUT DOWN MUSLIM IMMIGRATION.
TH says
Itis not surprising since Mahmmed was certainly a pedophile.
Carmel says
In Isalm you can’t be gay …… but ,Jesus -Christ , you can kill though .
arauna says
The Qur’an talks of “fresh young boys in paradise” and the Hadith also speaks of this. The Afghani society if full of gays – look on internet and educate yourself. He most probable was molested by a family member as a child as this practice is very prevalent in Afghanistan…..I think he thought of taking martyrs and going straight to paradise and forgiven his earthly sins….as Hadith teaches. But he can go and have perpetual sex with young boys in heaven if he does not want the 72 virgins. This is how the teachings of the Qur’an about martyrdom can make a person crazy.
bill says
well first when quran says young boys at paradise, as servents not sex toys, second what does have afghan society is an afghan tradition that doesnt have anything to do with islam, third islam is not christianity u dont make jihad to win redemption like crusades did, how can u call someone martyre that was making a sin moments before, at last abviously u dont know anything about islam so learn it and speack the truth, he wasnt living in afghanistan or was a truly muslim he was in an occidental community were everything is allowed till u get nutz and shoot everybody
carpentaro says
There is this whole dichotomy, a self loathing. Afghan boys being paraded around, but condemning “officially” this action. This guy had probably been “broken in” by a relative.
Ima Freeman says
Hi, Miriam
I hope you’ve been well and that your son is still thriving in the military. Anyway, slightly off-topic, but please (anyone) correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t the top 3 mass murders in the US (not including the 3,000 slaughtered on 9/11) now, in order: Omar Madeen, Orlando (49 murdered); Tashfeen Malik/Said Farouk, San Bernadino (14 murdered), and Major Nidal Hasan, Fort Hood (13 murdered)? Funny how they’re all muslim, but their actions have nothing to do with islam, even though they all attributed islam to the actions they took.
All the best to you and yours.
Ima
Oliver says
I ( am straight) but have known a number of gays-some were accepting of their sexual orientation, others not. Same with their families. BUT NONE ever went and killed (other) people because they (the other people) were gay, or because they themselves were and hated it. None, as far as I know, killed themselves, either.
In my view, this is an attempt to whitewash Islam- and keep from saying it was Islamic terrorism.
In the same vein, there was (I ACKNOWLEDGE-DID NOT READ) in The Wall Street Journal- (I believe it was an on line editorial) ( and paraphrasing)- since 911-ONLY (my emphasis) 95 people in the US have keen killed by terrorists. (I guess, the rest are work place violence; and other terms), whereas 35,000 people were killed last year in auto accidents.
(Since I did not read-the heading made me sick)- I will comment here. The auto accidents were JUST THAT ACCIDENTS. NOT PRE-MEDITATED MURDER.
When will the media grow the hell up? When will our politicians?
miriamrove says
When will the media grow the hell up? When will our politicians?
When hell freezes over. Not any time soon. m
LB says
Watch for the following title in the next few days:
BREAKING NEWS! EXPERTS REVEAL 9/11 PLANE HIJACKERS WERE ACTUALLY JUST AFRAID OF HEIGHTS AND LASHED OUT ON TALL WTC TWIN-TOWERS! NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER WITH ISLAMIC TERRORISM!
Is there no end to the stupidity and denial of Western media and its political elites? They act as if their lives are not on the line as well…
Bob McKenna says
LB :
The Towers, Fort Hood, San Bernadino, And this tragedy were all caused by “Mucking Fuslims” !
There is no excuse for their barbarian habits, dress, or religion other than abject, inbred,stupidity and fear.
If it weren’t for the threat of death from some other barbaric, head banging, butt and foot sniffing, inbred savage, there would be 98% fewer headbangers !
Even with the common history of coupling with first cousins, sisters and aunts, the average inbred savage isn’t dumb enough to continue thumping their head to some deity made up by a child raping, hallucinating, murderous, madman.
But then maybe they are and maybe I’m wrong.
Tommy says
Satan has him now and is not using a condem
jihad me at hello says
……or lube.
Zub says
Wow, if there is any truth to this they’re going to be shipping BiCarb to CAIR’s home office by the truckload to quench the heartburn this is going to cause.
Oliver says
Other comment- that this dirt bag went night clubbing. Why does that make his gay?
Years ago, I knew a fellow who ran taxis in a major southwestern (US) city.
He told me, in his city, there was a gay nightclub- but had the best jazz in the state. Frequently, hsi cabs went there-to pick up fares-hetro couples- who for drinks and a minimal cover charge were able to hear better jazz then in many concerts.
And, I find it hard to believe an ( quote- copy and paste)“I’ve seen him a couple of times at Pulse, a couple of other people that I’ve spoken with, including an-ex security guard, have actually witnessed this guy at Pulse many times before,” said Callen, who performs as Kristina McLauglin.
“One friend was a security guard there two years ago and she remembers him,” Callen told the Daily News.
An entertainer remembers someone from a few years ago, at a crowded bar? An ex-security officer remembers a patron from 2 years prior? I could see if there was a history of violence with the creep. Otherwise, it seems far-fetched. Considering that there were-on the night in question -over 100 people present when the shooting occurred- and guessing often crowded-to me, seems like a bull shit attempt to whitewash Islamic terrorism.
Just my view.
(I am not doubting that he could have been gay; just the premises it is based upon; perhaps he was pissed that his favorite goat and sheep both died-could be more logical).
Again, my views
Tom Saunders says
Human nature. The only attempt I ever read about trying to statistically determine how large the audience was at Woodstock failed because, according to the survey responses, half of the 18 – 26 year old population of New England was there plus virtually all of that demographic in California (something north of 10 mil). Everyone wants a part in the story, even a bad part is better than no part.
Tom says
I would be careful calling him gay. This seems to me to just be a smoke screen designed to skillfully guide us from the Islamist evil aspect and place it on a psychological illness.
I have other questions: how was he dressed?
How did he manage to carry 1000 rounds of ammo, a long rifle, and a handgun past a checkpoint in the middle of summer [it is hot in Florida]? How many magazines were recovered?
Did this guy have on a trench coat?
I wonder if there was more than one shooter or if he had help.
Oliver says
I read somewhere (not sure where, possibly JW–I do not recall) that one or more survivors said someone blocked a door (exit) from the carnage.
Not sure if true, or just a mass of people trying to get out-and perhaps the door opened in?
Also,m I agree- this possibly gay matter just to deflect from islam.
Bob McKenna says
Oliver :
Probably his favorite goat and sheep were tortured to death in a halal manner to celebrate the end of Rama Lamma Ding Dong, and he turned out to be allergic to donkeys.
What a “Catastrastroke” huh ?
mustapha crap says
Hopefully the 72 virgins are forming a line behind him The more the MSM spouts the homophobia motive the less people who are awake to the threat Islam poses to our societies believe them.
It was a jihad attack motivated purely by ISLAM and NOTHING else
Simone Fields says
In Afghanistan the saying goes ‘women are for babies, boys are for pleasure’.
He wanted to absolve himself of his sin and the best way to do that is to martyr yourself.
jihad3tracker says
SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC BUT EXTREMELY IMPORTANT: If you already watched (or will watch tonight on the news) Obama’s “statement” on national security, please find ALL OF IT on the internet.
HE IS IN TOTAL RAGE NOW, BECAUSE THE ORLANDO JIHAD WRECKED HIS PLAN to stall having to confront what a Muslim will do to Americans. AND, HE WAS SO MAD HE DEMOLISHED ONE OF HIS MAIN & CRUCIAL PUSHBACK POINTS IN THE REMARKS:
He noted that San Bernardino, Orlando, and Fort Hood slaughter all were perpetrated by CITIZENS, and then used that supposedly to prove that a Muslim U.S. entry ban would not have stopped those events.
But the only thing that really convinces us (who can think clearly about this) of is: MUSLIMS PLACE THEIR RELIGION ABOVE LOYALTY TO THE UNITED STATES —- so we really MUST HAVE SURVEILLANCE ON ALL American citizen Muslims in their towns and mosques.
Please emphasize this when you email your federal and state officials about the necessity for Trump’s ban on Muslim entry: BOTH THE ONES COMING IN TO THE U.S. —- AND —- THOSE ALREADY HERE can suddenly become fully faithful, devout, obedient ORTHODOX WORSHIPPERS OF ALLAH.
And, acting out the sick commands of a bloodthirsty “god”, there will be plenty more carnage. I have lived 67 years on this amazing planet, in America, and we are in for a very hard future, now that Islam is about to be put under the microscope by Trump.
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Tommy says
Before Obama leaves office, he’ll call Sharia Law a civil right. Mark my words!
Salome says
It makes sense that this is a case of a none-too-pious Muslim who concluded after hearing a firebrand Imam that the only way back to salvation is to kill and be killed in the cause of Allah. The only troubling bit in this equation is that he chose the chance of death by cop rather than the certainty of a suicide bombing. Any thoughts, folks?
Oliver says
One of his idols, some Muslim creep who went to the same mosque as he did- did a suicide bombing in (I think it was Syria, if not, Iraq)- and he mentioned this slime’s name.
My question-if this was his idol, as you, (Salome) asks, why didn’t he do a suicide bombing? (In Syria, preferable, or Afghanistan)- and target Muslims of another sect? Leave infidels alone.
Tom Saunders says
Explosives are difficult to obtain. The FBI and ATF really do have that nailed down pretty tight since OKC; and they require genuine expertise to effectively use. Lots of wannabes have been caught in “midnight parking lot” transactions. Not impossible but really hard to do. Another possibility is that he took the “fight to the death” thing seriously. Would be interested in hearing what the hostages have to say about his behavior/comments with the police assaulting the building.
Oliver says
Understood- re explosives here. But probably abundant in Syria- and a suicide bombing there- will/does the world good-if it takes dozens (or more) other Muslims with the bomber.
John spielman says
If Omar was a homosexual, this is even more damnation of islam ( if even more was possible), as islam has a malevolent works righteous theology where if you have too much sin there is no possibility of doing enough “good deeds” in your remaining life to off set your sins. The only way to obtain a waiver from this works driven salvation is that you must die in combat against unbelievers- killing as many as possible, to gain entrance to islam’s brothel in the sky! That is why the 911 hijackers went out drinking alcohol ( a no no in islam) the night before.
SpiritOf1683 says
With 9/11, drinking alcohol was all part of the deception to avoid suspicion, and perhaps behaving as if he was gay was yet another similar type of deception.
dumbledoresarmy says
“and perhaps behaving as if he was gay was yet another similar type of deception.”
Yep. That was my thought.
And if he actually *was* gay, then he gets to have some fun whilst rationalising his behaviour to himself as ‘camouflage’ – ‘deep cover’ as he scopes out his target for mass-murder. And he can sin as much as he wants to, knowing it will all be wiped away and he’ll get ‘paradise’ when he does the whole ‘slay and be slain’ thing, jihad fi sabil allah.
Muslims are allowed to break all kinds of sharia rules if it can be rationalised as ultimately furthering the cause of Islam.
Jack Diamond says
It’s more subtle than that, “the damnation of Islam.” They do not sin by using you and yours. Your blood and wealth are permitted to them.
SpiritOf1683 says
It may well be that he wasn’t homosexual but went to that gay club to stake out the place – see how many security exits there were and where they were to deny exits to the clubgoers, how he could get weapons past the entrance, and to discover the best spots to kill and maim the greatest number of clubgoers. This was surely planned over a period of several visits.
dumbledoresarmy says
Perfectly possible.
And … if he actually *was* gay, makes no difference. He was *still* scoping out the joint, view jihad, at the same time.
The Muslim hijackers of 9/11 went to strip clubs and *drank alcohol* only a short time before carrying out their mass murders. I bet they enjoyed the naked girls and the grog, even while they told themselves they were doing it to evade suspicion and ‘blend in’.
Jack Diamond says
It’s a twofer. Permission by need of concealment, guarding themselves, war is deceit; and permission that the blood and wealth of the kuffar are his for the taking, absent a peace treaty or dhimmi pact to alter the permanent state of war, not to mention his sexual sins are not punished if done in foreign (kuffar) lands (there are hadith), that smaller evils are permitted to prevent a bigger evil( just as “fitna” is worse than killing), and that the merits of jihad and “martyrdom” outweigh everything.
While the shooter targeted a gay club, he was also scouting other (non-gay specific) targets for jihad mass murder. So he was not necessarily fixated on gays as much as he was fixated on jihad.
SpiritOf1683 says
Yes, he will have scouted other nightspots, both gay and non-gay, then decided this particular club was the mopst propmising to carry out an atrocity and ticked the greatest number of boxes – like ease of getting weapons in, number of exits – the fewer the better in his mind, because he’d see it as limiting the chances of escape for his targets and alternatively making it harder for special forces to storm the building, greatest field of fire, the number of patrons making a huge target for a large count of killed and maimed. It seems that anyone venturing into a nightclub will need to learn where the exits are.
Peggy says
It doesn’t take years to steak out the place.
He was most likely gay but hated that part of him.
He should’ve just killed himself.
So if he is gay in this life, does he also remain gay in that paradise of his and does he get 72 virgin men or women?
Tom Saunders says
I saw this coming the second I heard the rumor that he had been seen at the martyr scene several times prior to the attack. The meme of unfulfilled homosexual love, which is the purest kind, was crushed by WASP hatred of all that is beautiful practically writes itself and – GUNS. Genuinely stupid arguments are virtually impossible to refute with reason.
Now rumors are circulating that his current wife is talking to the FBI detailing how helped him scout locations to attack together, including the homosexual bar, and she knew of the plan essentially from the beginning. Reality may over take the meme.
I seem to recall that Mohammed Atta frequently took the Twin Tower 19 to bars and strip clubs, etc., to put the fire of righteous rage in their belly.
Hope says
The Seven Dwarfs! I love it.
common sense says
Hetero sexual Islamofacist murderer or homo sexual Islmofacist murderer who could not stand his own alleged homo sexual desires?
Either way same result.
His son will grow up to be taught his murderous Dad was a martyr and hero and its ok to beat women.
Luke Andrews says
I’m glad you guys mentioned the part about homosexuality being rampant in Afghanistan. I am gay, and my experience has been with Arabs and Turks, tho’ I’ve read about the same situation holding true for Afghanis; and I can tell you, they’re very easy to seduce. At age 70, walking down a street in Turkey, I was openly propositioned on a daily basis. And a friend of mine who taught English in Saudi Arabia had the same experience there. What’s more, I and gay friends in Scandinavia (before the recent rapefugee incidents there) have often found Arabs very amenable to our advances. I think it’s an element of their culture, but also the result of the fact that their own women are strictly off-limits to unmarried men. I’ve been told that in Turkey, male friends often “relieve” each other in the baths there, because otherwise they can find no sexual outlet before marriage.
somehistory says
Little boys are raped by moslim men and *kept* for that purpose.
The little boys grow up to rape other little boys.
There is no doubt from this quarter that he could have been homosexual…*hated* it or was just afraid of being found out by other moslims and since he had been seen in that club, not *hiding* it as he was supposed to do. If found out, he could/would be a target for death.
So, maybe in his logic, if he had to go out, go out taking others with him and *earn* his reward from satan.
TheDane says
I don’t really buy this story, but it sure is very convenient for isis-friendly Obama! I think it has been fabricated to the occasion, then they can get focus off of islam. Would this critter really drive up to 2 hours each way, to get to a gay bar? If his father had sympathies for the Talebananas, would he not fear upsetting his father – and even dragging his wife to a gay bar? Would she not oppose that? This story is really too odd….
Angemon says
Kepha says
Apart from the killing of people, I now have a bit of sympathy for Mateen, even if I believe he should hang.
We are taught from the Law and Gospel that we are sinners in need of redemption–which is given through Jesus Christ. There isn’t one of us born of ordinary generation who isn’t wrestling against his sinful impulses. I’ve got plenty, although my sexual activity and orientation, whether sinful or sanctified, have been hetero.
Mateen may have believed that by declaring himself a jihadist, killing a bunch of his fellow homosexuals, and getting himself killed in the ensuing shootout, he was purging himself of his sin. It is too bad he did not accept the Gospel message of Jesus’ sacrifice of himself for our sins, and open himself up to the Holy Spirit’s renewing power. Then again, had that happened, he’d have been a double mortad–to the Muslims who would’ve hated his turn to Christ, and to the LGBT community by abandoning an “identity” which must not be surrendered at any cost.
Peter says
It is said that Omar got enraged when he saw two men kissing and started shooting .Is it possible that one of those two guys or both were his boy friends and their unfaithfulness in cheating on him broke his heart!
Oliver says
He (supposedly) saw the two men kissing IN MIAMI, A FEW MONTHS PRIOR.
Which leads to the question-why go home, then months later go to Orlando to shoot people? Would have made more sense to do it in Miami.
(Except there the people ,probably all have guns-when I lived there, it certainly seemed that way–in all areas.) (Never went to gay or lesbian bars there-as I am straight). But guns were everywhere.
Dov Berrol says
There are plenty of Gay Jews struggling with their romantic orientation. And Gay Buddhists, and Gay Hundus, and Gay Catholics, and Gay Mennonites, and Gay Protestants and Gay Zoroastrians, and Gay Native Americans and Gay Atheists struggling with a romantic orientation that puts them in the minority in the world. But none of us seems to think that the solution to dealing with the shame thrown at us by society is to buy a gun and kill people. Islam seems to be the only ideology that encourages murder as a way of pleasing a divine entity.
And just in case your readers need reminding: the Hebrew Bible does not prohibit same gender affection, love, romance and marriage. It says nothing about homosexuality as we know it today in contemporary modern times. The only thing it prohibits is harmful anal intercourse, especially rape.
The Creator of the Universe blessed the world with same gender romantic attraction to serve as a model for pure love and friendship between people…disconnected from any ulterior motives of creating children. It serves as the model for the biblical command to “Love your friend as you would love yourself.”
Peggy says
It really Pi$$es me off that they use the excuse of being gay.
People who are gay and have trouble coming out or accepting it usually harm themselves. They never go on a killing spree.
How dare they tarnish the memory of all the gay people who have committed suicide by suggesting that murder is how they cope.
Isn’t there one decent journalist who would pull them up on that?
Frank95054 says
The fact that he frequented this particular gay bar does not mean that he had gay tendencies. I for one suspect that he frequented the bar so that employees and customers there would not think twice about seeing him in their club. Then, when the time came for him to kill, he just slipped in with his weapons and began killing. Its reported that he befriend the bouncers and bar tenders. Classic surveillance and disarming tactic!
David says
I believe the PC want to live under the Muslim law. Before that happens, the leaders need to be taken out and shot. All of the leaders. No exceptions. If that happened, I pray my wife and I are dead because I don’t want to see the carnage that WILL happen. I worry about my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. They have to live in that society.
Lynne says
It doesn’t matter if he was gay or not. He still would have chosen another venue and killed as many innocent victims as possible. This attention is to divert the reason. The reason is Islam. The appeasers are afraid to say it.
Simone Fields says
In Afghanistan the saying goes ‘women are for babies, boys are for pleasure’.
He wanted to absolve himself of his sin and the best way to do that is to martyr yourself.
Oliver says
I posted this on another JW post- but (my view) worth repeating. (used somewhat different wording)
I knew a man, (passed away a little over a decade ago) who ran taxis in a major southwestern (US) city.
Frequently, his taxis were called to a gay bar- that ALSO HAD JAZZ. Frequently, the clients (for the cabs) were HETRO couples-often with too much too drink (some also called for cabs to take them there-knowing that they will drink). One night, filling in for one fo his drivers, who was ill, he asked a hetro couple- why they went there.
Their response- bets jazz in the area. They could care less about the other clientele. They wanted to hear the music, and the cost was less (including drinks, dinner, etc) then tickets to a comparable concert.
back to the scum bag-going to a gay bar does not mean that one is gay. as others have said-could have gone for other reasons. AND I THINK-AS HAVE OTHERS- THIS GAY STUFF IS TO COVER UP ISLAM RELATED MURDER.