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Orlando jihad attack highlights debate about acceptance of LGBT people in Islam

Jun 13, 2016 6:03 pm By Christine Douglass-Williams

Cited in the Washington Post article below, a Muslim commentator on FB states:

“An apology from the boy’s father or ‘condemnation’ from CAIR and other Muslim groups is not good enough. All our cultures need to raise our children to be tolerant and accepting. Father needs to own up to the homophobia ingrained in our culture — as do all those Christians calling it ‘an act of god.’”

How did Christians get into this? It’s wrong, ignorant and agenda-driven to bring up Christians here. No mainstream Christian calls for the killing of gays, and no other religion is gunning down gays or calling for it globally in their mainstream. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus are not the ones out to execute gays or collectively preach hate.

The article below also discusses Pew Research statistics on attitudes toward gays. Huh?  The murderous rampage at the Pulse Nightclub goes far beyond law-abiding citizens with attitudes about “sin” or lifestyle choice. The attack in Orlando is about the violent assault on gays sanctioned by a Jihadist ideology that calls for their murder, and are given immunity to do so under Western leftist reprieve. Shame on this author in the article below for watering down this anti-gay, anti-West ideology.

Islam does not accept gays as human beings, let alone accept their orientation. This is a critical distinction from the local churchgoer who raises an eyebrow at homosexuality.

Violence against gays is practiced in accordance with Islamic law, which states that “if you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.” (Abu Dawud 38:4447), despite the D.C.-based Muslim Alliance for Sexual and Gender Diversity stating that “there is no religious justification or precedent in Islam for mass shootings targeting any population, regardless of identity.” There may be no justification, but there is certainly precedent.

This death penalty for homosexuality is practiced in Islamic states, as well as executed by lone wolf jihadists urged on by the Islamic State, not to mention the violent homophobic messages delivered by many Islamic scholars at home and abroad. Adherence to this anti-gay Islamic law was demonstrated in full force through the rampage at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, so the Muslim Alliance for Sexual and Gender Diversity is not truthful. The Washington Times accurately reported that “the fact most hidden by the mainstream media is that you don’t have to be part of ISIS to believe this. It is part of Muslim Sharia law, shared commonly in Middle Eastern countries.”

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“Orlando Shootings Highlight Debate About Acceptance of LGBT People in Islam”, by Michelle Boorstein, The Washington Post, June 13, 2016:

The horrific killings at a gay club in Orlando by a Muslim man who reportedly swore loyalty to the Islamic State set off immediate condemnation from many Muslims — and debate about whether Muslim communities need to be more welcoming of gay people.

Popular U.S. playwright and journalist Wajahat Ali sparked debate on his Facebook page Sunday when he bemoaned the murders and called for his fellow Muslims to speak out:

I hope we empower and uplift our LGBT Muslim brothers and sisters, who often suffer in silence and have been ostracized and demonized by multiple communities in America for their sexuality, religion and ethnicity. They are at the cultural fault lines — blasted for being both gay and Muslim in an America that often uses them as pawns for an absolutist cultural war. This is a moment to call out ignorance that creates an atmosphere which tolerates and breeds hate. … I believe this is a moment for us straight Muslims to aggressively and sincerely assert our solidarity with the LGBT community, not for sake of politics, talking points and expedient alliances, but around shared values and visions of creating an America where no one is hazed, victimized, brutalized or murdered simply for “being.”

Their struggle for freedoms and equality is our struggle and is the American struggle. Period. We should denounce the draconian and unnecessary anti LGBT legislation that is being introduced in several states around the country just like LGBT members have routinely denounced Trump’s anti Muslim bigotry and anti Sharia legislation for years. This is what it means to be American.

More than 2,600 people liked the post by the progressive writer.

Ali was lauded by many for condemning the violence, but many of the comments on his post that triggered the most interaction noted that Islam — like several other faiths — rejects the acceptance of gay relationships.

“I don’t think true empathy and sympathy requires one to shed one’s own personal moral beliefs,” wrote one. Multiple people made similar comments.

In the Pew Research Center’s major study of American religions in 2014, Muslims were split on homosexuality. The poll found that 45 percent of American Muslims thought homosexuality should be accepted and 47 percent thought it should be discouraged.

That means Muslims are less accepting of homosexuality than most religious groups in the study — 66 percent of mainline Protestants, 70 percent of Catholics, and more than 80 percent of Jews and Buddhists say gay relationships should be accepted. But it puts Muslims ahead of evangelical Christians and Mormons, just 36 percent of whom say homosexuality is acceptable.

On Facebook on Sunday, some Muslim commenters called for their community to address homophobia in the wake of the tragedy in Orlando.

“An apology from the boy’s father or ‘condemnation’ from CAIR and other Muslim groups is not good enough. All our cultures need to raise our children to be tolerant and accepting. Father needs to own up to the homophobia ingrained in our culture — as do all those Christians calling it ‘an act of god.’”

Others compared the topic to other areas in which people disagree.

“Muslims have non Muslim friends that drink, right? Friends who eat pork, like going to rock concerts (I go to many), and so on. So people’s lifestyle choices, sexual orientation, etc is what makes this country, our community so diverse and accepting. That is the beauty of America. I can go drink iced tea with lemon while my friends drink a glass of wine. To each [its] own, let God judge, not us.”

Fawzia Mirza, a Pakistani Canadian comedian who is Muslim and lesbian, tweeted her “mixed” feelings:

Feeling a complexity of emotions as a Muslim #LGBTQ American – not done in my name. not done by my family to my family. #FloridaShooting

— Fawzia Mirza (@thefawz) June 12, 2016

The D.C.-based Muslim Alliance for Sexual and Gender Diversity, which runs workshops for LGBT Muslims, asked Sunday that people not “rush” to blame any person or group aside from the shooter himself. The shooting should not be framed as a conflict between the gay and Muslim communities, the group wrote:

It is also not lost on us that this horrific tragedy occurred during LGBTQ Pride month, which this year coincides with the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, typically a period of peace and intense self-reflection. It pains us to see that these periods of joy, celebration, and peace have been marred so violently with such horror.

There is no religious justification or precedent in Islam for mass shootings targeting any population, regardless of identity, nor is there justification in American law or values. This tragedy is a reminder of the terrible harm that can result from the wide availability of guns and explosives. …

 

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  1. Walter Sieruk says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    The deadly Muslim action of terrible violence against homosexuals in not an Isolated incident . To give only three further examples of this committed by Islamic powers. Such as the brutal killing of “gay” people in the lands under the control by the Islamic “state ‘ and by Iran and also by Saudi Arabia.

    • Christianblood says

      Jun 14, 2016 at 8:09 am

      In the meantime, “50 perverts killed in a bar” Headlines a Turkish newspaper with strong ties to president Erdogan. The genocidal muslim Turks follow the same islamic death-cult that the barbarous head-chopping Saudis, Al-qaeda and ISIS follow and Turkey is also an important ally for the US and Nato as they are united in their deep hatred for Christian Russia and its leaders. Read more on the link below:

      http://pamelageller.com/2016/06/50-perverts-killed-in-bar-homophobic-headline-on-turkish-newspaper-with-strong-ties-to-countrys-obamaa-ally-president-erdogan.html/

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 14, 2016 at 10:10 am

        In the meantime, “50 perverts killed in a bar” Headlines a Turkish newspaper with strong ties to president Erdogan.
        ………………………

        Disgusting– but not surprising.

      • Angemon says

        Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 am

        Christianblood posted:

        “The genocidal muslim Turks follow the same islamic death-cult that the barbarous head-chopping Saudis, Al-qaeda and ISIS follow”

        As always, you “forget” to mention Iran and Chechnya. I wonder why…

        Also, for someone who routinely rants and raves against the “LGBT agenda”, your worrying about the Turks calling the victims “perverts” is suspiciously out of character.

  2. Champ says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    “An apology from the boy’s father or ‘condemnation’ from CAIR and other Muslim groups is not good enough.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Not enough? It’s a tremendous **INSULT** coming from them! Jeez …

    • Westman says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 7:31 pm

      Like the father promoting the Taliban had no influence on the Son? And Omar’s wife knowing that her husband was scouting terrorism targets???

      Such an “innocent”, had-no-idea family!

      • Champ says

        Jun 13, 2016 at 7:35 pm

        Spot on, Westman!

      • Clearsighted says

        Jun 14, 2016 at 9:15 am

        And the wife is not cooperating with law enforcement…

    • Idania says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 8:09 pm

      Did you know that the shooter’s father is 100% Taliban and have a ver anti American you Tube “show” .

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 13, 2016 at 11:11 pm

        Yes–here’s dear old dad:

        “Father of Omar Mateen hosted bizarre political talk show, railing against America and praising Taliban”

        http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/father-omar-mateen-hosts-bizarre-anti-us-talk-show-article-1.2670939

      • Jay Boo says

        Jun 14, 2016 at 1:03 am

        NPR did a nauseating dance around that Taliban issue to soften their listeners for when they brought it up just long enough to make light of it.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 10:11 am

          *Ugh*. Thanks for that information, Jay Boo. Far from making light of it, they should have been *focusing* on it.

  3. Tommy says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    How about the American LGBT first condemn Islam?
    The NOW, ACLU,, they hold a lot for the LGBT community, but yet are SILENT about Islam.
    They condemn christianity but silent about islam?

    • Tommy says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 6:29 pm

      Keep your rosary out of my overies…but never keep the koran out of my life.

  4. Cecilia Ellis says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    There is no religious justification or precedent in Islam for mass shootings targeting any population, regardless of identity . . . ”

    So . . . CNN can send a team, headed by Anderson Cooper, to Mecca to cover the solidarity vigil that will be held at the Kabah . . .

    • Champ says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 6:35 pm

      Ahaha! Good one, Cecilia!! 😀

    • Keys says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 8:47 pm

      Hahaha, CE. Please send Don Lemon, too. Two CNN homosexuals parading round ‘n round the Kabah singing Kumbaya. “Think they’ll have that on the Hajj ?”

      • Cecilia Ellis says

        Jun 13, 2016 at 8:51 pm

        Keys, now we know what starts those Meccan stampedes associated with the annual hajj . . . ?

        • PRCS says

          Jun 13, 2016 at 11:59 pm

          You’re on a roll, today, CE.

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 12:52 am

          PRCS, so few opportunities for Ramadan humor … So little time. ?

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 10:15 am

          Keys, Cecilia, and PRCS, one small point: Ramadan ends with Eid al-Fitr, the Hadj ends with Eid al-Adha.

          This is Ramadan right now; the Hadj itself begins in early September this year. (Sorry to be so pedantic)

          If it wasn’t for Jihad none of us would have to give a crap about Muslim “holidays”.

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 11:11 am

          Graven, while I knew it was not the time of the official annual Hadj, I did not know when it actually starts this year. I guess that I should download the “Islamic Slaughter App” to keep track of the Muslim “holiday” calendar. ?

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 1:12 pm

          Sorry, Cecelia–I’ve heard others mix up Ramadan and the Hadj before, and was once upon a time unclear myself as to whether they coincided.

          You’re right, though, that we need an “Islamic Slaughter App” to keep it all straight.

          Does any other faith have such grim “holidays”? Not that I’m aware of…

      • Cecilia Ellis says

        Jun 14, 2016 at 1:26 pm

        Graven, no need for apology. You alerted me to an upcoming massacre. Love all your posts and learn a lot from them . . . a whole lot. ?

        • Keys says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 1:36 pm

          Ditto, gravenimage. Much appreciate being accurately informed.
          Thanks, and thanks CE.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 15, 2016 at 3:09 pm

          Thank you, Cecilia and Keys!

          And Cecilia, sorry for misspelling your name, above.

          There probably *will* be more mayhem at the Hadj. This is so common it even–no joke–has its own Wikipedia page:

          “Incidents during the Hajj”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_during_the_Hajj

          Of course, calling these “incidents” is pretty bland. Funny–you would not need such a page for “Easter incidents” or “Passover incidents”…

  5. Elizabeth says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    Homosexuality has always been considered a mental disorder and most especially a moral deviance in every culture throughout history, even though it was tacitly accepted. The issue here is not homophobia, which is utter nonsense (who is afraid of it? no one! ). What people should address is the beheading of Christians, burning people alive, pouring acid on them, throwing homosexual men off roofs, stoning women , wanton killing of dogs and hundreds of other cruel and repugnant acts of muslims. Stop using the totally bogus homophobia lie. I’m sick to death of hearing it…as well as racist and xenaphobic. Anyone who adheres to traditional moral values needs to come up with a cliche’ about the hate and fear liberals have of them!

    • Elizabeth says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 7:40 pm

      Please cancel my response as it came out wrong. I have every sympathy with these poor men that were shot dead or wounded. Their poor families and loved ones are all suffering so much. I was just responding to peoples’ attitudes about so-called homophobia. It is a hatred not a phobia. And it is just one of MANY equally repellent behaviors of muslims. Anyway, please don’t print what I wrote. Thanks.

    • michael says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 9:47 pm

      Wrong homosexuality was wide spread and accepted in ancient Greece and aRome..women were to marry and bear children. ..young men were there for pleasure of other men

  6. Angemon says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    The horrific killings at a gay club in Orlando by a Muslim man who reportedly swore loyalty to the Islamic State set off immediate condemnation from many Muslims — and debate about whether Muslim communities need to be more welcoming of gay people.

    The “debate” will be something like this:

    “Blah blah, some Christians hate gays so shut up, you bigoted, racist islamophobe. Cue in token gay muslim cleric to assure everyone islam is compatible with LGBTQIA. False comparison about all muslims being judged by the actions of a tiny minority of extremists while Christians and white people aren’t. Muslims and leftists end up joining hands and promising to defend the true victims here: muslims being demonized by the purveyors of islamophobia”.

  7. Jerry says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    When a Muslim proclaims his or her commitment to upholding
    human rights we must not suspect their sincerity.

    The only problem is that according to the the Koran even the
    “People of the Book” – Jews and Christians are considered as
    (like) the descendants of pigs and apes and therefore not
    truly “human” nor deserving of any “Human Rights” let alone
    the rest of all the non-Muslim humanity.

    In short – the genocidal ideology of Islam is totally incompatible
    with all the rest of humanity and thus should not be tolerated
    by the rest of the world.

    We should not allow any Mosques and any Korans until
    Islam abrogates and irrevocably renounce their genocidal
    agenda against the rest of the human race.

    We should also not admit Muslims as citizens or
    permanent residents in any civlised country and
    be cautious and reluctant to admit them as visitors
    or trade partners.

    Hussein Barak Obama, the Luciferian occupant
    of the White House when praising Islam for
    its contribution to USA culture deliberately omits
    to remind us that the main Islamic contribution to
    American History and Culture was provided by
    the predominantly Arab Muslim Slave Hunters
    and Traders who supplied America with Black
    African slaves that they captured and traded
    under the pretext that because they were
    “Kaffirs” – “Infidels” – “Deniers of the Faith”
    they were not really human.

    When “African Americans” re-examine their own
    history and roots they should treat the Muslims
    as what Muslims really are – the enemies of
    human rights, freedom and dignity.

    • michael says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 7:42 pm

      Hello
      Many surahs cite poeple of the book favorably. ..the hatred towards Jews is due to an infiltrator jewelry who caused dissention among early Muslims that ended up causing break into 2 factions we see today . sunni and Shia. Yiu are right regarding Muslims as having been advocates of slavery. .thus this should be concern for African Americans. Im an apostate. I do not believe Isis is run by true muslims. .many training them are simply American and european mercenaries.

      • Vicky says

        Jun 13, 2016 at 9:46 pm

        I think you are very ignorant of your own ex religion.

        • michael says

          Jun 13, 2016 at 10:12 pm

          I only knew what was in Koran and hadiths. .and yes some of it seemed draconian to me…but again the time was differnrnt and the relatively small band of Muslims during early years were being slaughtered left and right. ..so that was environment. I can only say I’ve never felt presence of God as I did in Islam.. early Islamic history is much more credibly documented in my opinion than Christian and
          Jewish history ..But again there are many variants of Islamic common practice per tribal culture also…in Islam one gains paradise by merit and one who is unbalanced sees killing enemies of Islam as merit…again many unbalanced Muslims believe they are akin to Sahabee ,that is where most Muslim names.come from, and see themselves as at war as they were then
          .as if Christians believed themselves to be disciples of Christ inm modern.day
          and took to wearing sandles and robes.of course the disciples per the Bible had a much less aggressive approach

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 1:17 am

          @Michael

          Is Allah great?
          ——————–

          If Allan is so great and a god then why is Allah super touchy about insults from human beings who in comparison are like tiny single celled bacteria in comparison to humans?

          If Allan is so great then why would Allah be impressed by any human deeds?

          Rather than being magnanimous and forgiving and rising above humans, Islam’s Allah is full of petty resentfulness and vindictiveness as bad as Islam’s hateful little piss-ant Muhammad (coincidentally?)

          Allah is a filthy JOKE.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 14, 2016 at 12:25 am

        “michael” wrote:

        Hello
        Many surahs cite poeple of the book favorably. ..the hatred towards Jews is due to an infiltrator jewelry who caused dissention among early Muslims that ended up causing break into 2 factions we see today . sunni and Shia.
        …………………………….

        This break did not occur until the fourth “Rightly Guided Caliph”–long after the death of Muhammed. But the Qur’an and Hadith and the “Prophet” himself are virulently antisemitic, so this is false.

        And the only favorable references to “People of the Book” are those who *convert to Islam”.

        More:

        Yiu are right regarding Muslims as having been advocates of slavery. .thus this should be concern for African Americans. Im an apostate. I do not believe Isis is run by true muslims. .many training them are simply American and european mercenaries.
        …………………………….

        Uh huh. Has this “apostate” noticed that ISIS operates exactly on the basis of the texts and tenets of Islam and the model of the “Prophet”?

        Instead, like any Muslim, he pretends that Jihad is done by “filthy Infidels” to make Islam look bad.

        And were this true, how were these Kuffar able to so snow Omar Mateen and so many other devout Muslims that they are willing to murder in ISIS’s name?

        More:

        I only knew what was in Koran and hadiths. .and yes some of it seemed draconian to me…but again the time was differnrnt and the relatively small band of Muslims during early years were being slaughtered left and right. ..so that was environment.
        …………………………….

        This is rot on several levels. It was Muslims who *initiated* violence. And then, the idea that the violence of Islam was intended only for that historical period is something rejected by every devout Muslim. We see the results of that interpretation every day–including here in Orlando.

        More:

        I can only say I’ve never felt presence of God as I did in Islam.. early Islamic history is much more credibly documented in my opinion than Christian and
        Jewish history ..But again there are many variants of Islamic common practice per tribal culture also…
        …………………………….

        If “michael” “felt presence of God” in Islam, why would he have left?

        More:

        in Islam one gains paradise by merit and one who is unbalanced sees killing enemies of Islam as merit…
        …………………………….

        Where did Muslims get such an “unbalanced” view? Why, from the Qur’an and Haditth and the words of Muhammed himself. The only sure way to gain Paradise is to wage violent Jihad.

        More:

        again many unbalanced Muslims believe they are akin to Sahabee ,that is where most Muslim names.come from, and see themselves as at war as they were then
        .as if Christians believed themselves to be disciples of Christ inm modern.day
        and took to wearing sandles and robes.
        …………………………….

        Grimly hilarious–as though mass murder were comparable to wearing sandals and robes.

        Moreover, one does not find Christians, even very devout ones, wearing sandals and robes, because Christians realize that emulating Christ has nothing to do with dressing like him or the Apostles.

        More:

        of course the disciples per the Bible had a much less aggressive approach
        …………………………….

        Ya think?

    • Kepha says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 8:37 pm

      As a scion of East African Muslims, President O comes from stock that was hunting and selling African slaves long after the slaveholders of the American South had been ruined by our Civil War. Of course this would never be told to American K-12 kids.

      @Michael: So it’s the fault of the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ that the early Muslims split into partisans of Abu Bekr, Uthman, and Umar on the one hand and those of Ali (Ahl-al Bayt) on the other? Or that a couple of those Rashidun Caliphs were murdered by people close to them? Or, I suppose, that Muhammad got a special revelation that the pretty wife of his kinsman Zaid was inappropriate for Zaid, or just fine for Muhammad himself was somehow also the fault of the JOOOOOOZ?

      Sure, some parts of the QUr’an say nice things about the Ahl-al-Kitab, but others lie about us and accuse us of Shirk and worse. For example, I’ve lived cheek by jowl around Jews my entire life, but I have yet to hear one of their spokesmen, see in one of their books, or encounter in a theological discussion with one the belief that Ezra was the Son of God in the sense that I see Jesus Christ as the Son of God (in contrast to the Qur’an 9:30). Come to think of it, the QUr’an also presents the Christian Trinity not as the Father, Word (Son), and Holy Spirit, but as God, Jesus, and Mary.

      You may be a murtad, but you seem to still be stuck in Islamic ways of thinking when you propose that ISIS is directed by American and European mercenaries. Islamic history is replete with examples of Muslims turning against each other without any help from outsiders. You need to accept it that among all people descended from Adam the First by ordinary generation, there will be those who love faction, strife, hatred, and murder.

      • michael says

        Jun 13, 2016 at 9:15 pm

        From what I recall homosexuality is taboo in mainstream Islam.Islam places great importance on marriage and having children. Much 9f the.crazy stuff. .or horrific stuff taking place is tribal culture. .not Islamic practice supported by a Koran or hadiths …Sexuailityy

        • michael says

          Jun 13, 2016 at 9:16 pm

          Sexuality..overt Sexuality is frowned upon…even in lovemaking. ..

      • michael says

        Jun 13, 2016 at 9:33 pm

        In short yes it was a Jewish infiltrator who caused the break. .part of Islamic history.i am not beholden to Judea Christian belief system. .although originally a Christian by baptism. .so references to Bible and beliefs therein I do not hold as truths. But ill tell you in Islam I strongly felt then presence of God.the proof is in the pudding ..as did all the Muslims I spent time with. No I do not subscribe to elite Jews running the world. .though they have relative inordinate influence in US AFFAIRS as compared to their paltry numbers.
        Any doctrine may have conflicting text..but again for me the proof was in the pudding. .and the beautiful feeling of the presence of God…had in no way any connection to malevolence, jealousy, violence, etc…thatb non Muslims like to associate ALLAH with…I can only say that since much of Koran was written during wartime when Muslims were besieged by other tribes and peoples..and thus warlike in nature. .unbalanced individuals will take it literally as though they are modern day sahabee and run with it.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 1:26 am

          The Glazov Gang-Sex in the Islamic City.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 10:35 am

          More crap from “michael”:

          From what I recall homosexuality is taboo in mainstream Islam.Islam places great importance on marriage and having children. Much 9f the.crazy stuff. .or horrific stuff taking place is tribal culture. .not Islamic practice supported by a Koran or hadiths …Sexuailityy
          …………………………………..

          What rot. While same sex *love* is taboo, raping small boys is Halal, and is even a “perk” for dead Jihadists in “Paradise”. See references to those “pearly boys”.

          And don’t forget that taking women in Jihad and raping sex slaves is *also* completely Halal.

          More:

          Sexuality..overt Sexuality is frowned upon…even in lovemaking. ..
          …………………………………..

          Also bs. While people–especially women–can be stoned to death for lovemaking with someone they have fallen in love with, having sex with up to four wives–including underaged little girls–is perfectly Islamic, as is rape of as many Infidel women they can get their hands on.

          And the Islamic “Paradise” is a virtual whore-house in the sky.

          The idea that Islam is “modest” requires a very selective reading of its foul tenets.

          More:

          In short yes it was a Jewish infiltrator who caused the break.
          …………………………………..

          Notice that “michael” keeps flogging this,but is unable to name the person. That’s because even by Islamic lights this is twaddle. The split had to do with the bloody internecine power struggle in Islam after the death of the “Prophet”, not about “meddling Jews”.

          This is absurd in any case–that Muslims would have a genocidal hatred of Jews due to the actions of a single person.

          The reason Muhammed hated Jews is because few of them chose to follow him once he had proclaimed himself “prophet”.

          More:

          .part of Islamic history.i am not beholden to Judea Christian belief system. .although originally a Christian by baptism. .so references to Bible and beliefs therein I do not hold as truths. But ill tell you in Islam I strongly felt then presence of God.the proof is in the pudding .as did all the Muslims I spent time with. .
          …………………………………..

          This is only true if one fells the “presence of God” in bloody barbarism.

          I ask again; if he felt the presence of God in Islam, why did he ever leave?

          Or does he just suppose his bs will go down better with Anti-Jihadists is he claims he is an apostate?

          More:

          No I do not subscribe to elite Jews running the world. .though they have relative inordinate influence in US AFFAIRS as compared to their paltry numbers.
          Any doctrine may have conflicting text..but again for me the proof was in the pudding. .and the beautiful feeling of the presence of God…had in no way any connection to malevolence, jealousy, violence, etc…
          …………………………………..

          Uh huh.

          More:

          thatb non Muslims like to associate ALLAH with…
          …………………………………..

          Not sure if this “association” refers to Christians considering Jesus to be the son of God, or if he is referring to non-Muslims rightly considering “Allah” to be violent and malevolent. He is not very coherent.

          More:

          I can only say that since much of Koran was written during wartime when Muslims were besieged by other tribes and peoples..and thus warlike in nature. .unbalanced individuals will take it literally as though they are modern day sahabee and run with it.
          …………………………………..

          Again, no Muslim considers the edicts of the Qur’an to be valid only for its time. This is why “michael’s” coreligionists are so violent *today*.

        • Keys says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 12:28 pm

          gravenimage-Jay Boo- Kepha and others-
          Thanks for your excellent response to Michael. I think it is important for readers who do not frequent JW to see a response to those who extol the deceit of Islam.

          I do not believe he is sincere, but rather a lying Muslim troll, not worth responding to except as noted for the sake of others.

          Others who may not know that most Muslims believe that the Koran contains the exact, unalterable, timeless, eternal (written before Mohammad even existed) words of Allah in Arabic, so to try to spin them in to a forgiving historical context, as written in wartime, is a type of taqiyya to ensnare through sympathy. Allah’s word applies always, and to say otherwise is blasphemy deserving death, unless one is lying for the sake of Islam.

          If he is sincere, does he think an evil spirit would seduce his soul in an unappealing manner? His “beautiful feeling of the presence of god” is not proof of the goodness of Islam. Feelings are not proof. Islam’s fruits are not good; the fruits of Islam are deceit, destruction, and death. The proof pudding you are standing in may not be pudding, michael.

          And we didn’t even ask if you believe the 72 virgins stuff!

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 1:15 pm

          Thank you so much, Keys!

          And I agree with you estimation of “michael”.

  8. More Ham Ed says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    Tiny Minority ™ alert:

    What are so-called “moderate” muslims (lowercase be upon them) saying in ARABIC about the Orlando massacre which the leftist media won’t show you:

    http://www.barenakedislam.com/

    • Cecilia Ellis says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 8:01 pm

      More Ham, this video should be forwarded promptly to Obama and Hillary in order that they can reconsider their narrative that the Orlando massacre was a perversion of Islam. No . . . wait . . . the jaws-of-life could not extract that deceptive, PC stance from their mouths.

      • michael says

        Jun 13, 2016 at 10:17 pm

        My sense is that if Hillary was a Republican and thus had to rely on conservative votes..she would be far more severe against any perceived threat 6th an any republican around…she’s a nasty piece of work From.what I’ve read in past. ..however as I’m in Union I’ll vote democrat for financial self survival

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Jun 13, 2016 at 11:05 pm

          Michael wrote: “However as I’m in Union I’ll vote democrat for financial self survival”

          Michael, do you know that your name, in Hebrew, means, “Who is like our God?” It is a beautiful name, the name of one of three Angels mentioned by name in the Biblical texts. Michael has prominence in fighting against Satan, “the Greatest of Deceivers.”

          That having been said, casting a vote that you believe will ensure your “financial self-survival” is something you might want to reconsider. Remember, for instance, the coal miners. Initially all Union members, the miners withdrew their membership when Hillary proclaimed that she would put them out of business and close their mines. Truly, one named such as you would not fall for a lie, a lie that tells you that Democrats will ensure your financial security.

          I do not dismiss your concern nor view it lightly, but there are other variables to be considered as well. Whatever your ultimate choice is, that is your decision.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 14, 2016 at 1:23 pm

      Thanks for that, More Ham Ed–*very* telling. One of the few things Muslims take joy in is murder–ugly, ugly stuff.

      Here’s the direct link to the story:

      http://www.barenakedislam.com/2016/06/13/so-what-are-moderate-muslims-saying-in-arabic-about-the-orlando-massacre-which-the-media-will-never-show-you/

  9. jacques sabena says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    According to Obama, it’s only “organizations like ISIL or organizations like al-Qaeda or those who have perverted Islam and created these radical, nihilistic, vicious organizations, one of the groups that they target are gays and lesbians because they believe that they do not abide by their attitudes towards sexuality “. What did he have to say about this? When the entire Muslim world, not just extremists, took this anti-LGBT stance? From Reuters, just last month – “A group of 51 Muslim states has blocked 11 gay and transgender organizations from attending a high-level meeting at the United Nations next month on ending AIDS, sparking a protest by the United States, Canada and the European Union. In February, the 54-member African Group, the Organization of Islamic Cooperation and the 25-member Group of Friends of the Family led by Belarus, Egypt and Qatar protested six new U.N. stamps promoting LGBT equality”.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 14, 2016 at 1:25 pm

      Yes–and where is the “Palestinian” gay rights group located? Why, in Israel, of course.

  10. Edward says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    “There is no religious justification or precedent in Islam for mass shootings targeting any population, regardless of identity, nor is there justification in American law or values.”

    Dissecting these above thoughts;

    “There is no religious justification or precedent in Islam for mass shootings targeting any population, regardless of identity”

    Right,there is no moral justification, but the Koran’s Islam professes it just the same without any human embarrassment!

    “nor is there justification[killing] in American law or values”

    Yes,only when murder has been committed to an innocent, as a rightly act of punishment there is justification.

    “This tragedy is a reminder of the terrible harm that can result from the wide availability of guns and explosives”. …

    Whoever wrote this thought has it wrong….weapons doesn’t kill people. People with evil intent radicals have!

    Again highlighting the availability and blaming it on inanimate weapons, but not the actual lethal act!

  11. citycat says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    There should not be a debate about acceptance of LGBT people in Islam, but about acceptance of LGBT people BY Islam, which would highlight the lack of acceptance of ALL infidels by Islam, unless Islam is accepting an infidel INTO Islam.
    There’s no way around the fact that ALL infidels are legal targets as far as Islam is concerned, and the moderate Muslims are allowed to lie about that fact while they cunningly rip off the infidel with a mingy smile.

    • Edward says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 9:39 pm

      You are right citycat about what you say here:

      “There’s no way around the fact that ALL infidels are legal targets as far as Islam is concerned, and the moderate Muslims are allowed to lie about that fact while they cunningly rip off the infidel with a mingy smile.”

      The radical and the moderate muslim abide to the same evil tenets of the koran.

      I do have a question though….should the moderate muslim’s be considered “yes-mans” (sycophants) when they are in locked stepped with be the rigid orthodoxy of an Islamic diehard by just by denying their reluctant stress to be able to survive? If this is the case muslims in general live in a high state of duress always. Saying this, they will do anything to obtain 100% dominance…..if they do by which time they will achieve peace according to their convoluted mindset. That’s their end result for their ultimate goal

  12. Kepha says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    Fine. Let the Muslims discuss it among themselves.

    I’ve made no bones here that, as a Christian, while I condemn the violence against them, I’ve long held that “normalizing” the LGBT agenda will one day rise up and bite the whole of society in a very painful place–if it hasn’t already started doing so. I’ve noted as well that while we call homosexuality a sin of which the practitioner should repent and the Muslims say that the practitioner must be killed (except if he’s a dominant Muslim male and the aggressor), the LGBT crowd and its liberal backers say we Christians are the real enemy. Indeed, the Left’s war against those who are trying to exit the pervert lifestyle (something we Christians see as possible, with God’s help) suggests a savagery towards “apostasy” matched only by the Taliban and Wahhabis themselves.

    I’m shedding no tears for Mateen. Like Judas Iscariot, he’s gone to his place. But, having seen all six Afghan feminists (cousins to the Marg-bar-Amrika screamers who looked for all the world like Sister Mary Joseph Wahckham about to take a ruler to little Johnny for having his tie on crooked) paraded around college campuses to apparently justify the no-win war in Afghanistan, when they start parading a few Iranian queers to justify another war with dubious chances of success (Make the world safe for bu%%ery!), I’m going to lead the cry of “Hell, no! We won’t go!”

  13. R Cole says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    “Anti-sharia legislation”!!

    Laws that state gays should be thrown off cliffs.

    This facebook post is a chimera.

    Openly gay people are hung in Iran [on mobile hanging cranes]. And like the Islamic State – in Iran there have been several court rulings that have sentenced people to be thrown off high cliffs as punishment. And these are either sharia or sharia based rulings.

    What’s amazing is how Muslims who advocate for theocracy – depend on the Left’s ignorance of Islamic sharia for support.

    Also the ‘expedient alliances’ comment is a point the Left should take note of. When it comes to getting Islamic law – these Muslims ain’t your friends!!

    Actual sharia law legislation in America would require a change to the Constitution. And for the purpose of implementing sharia – to which CAIR has told Muslims ‘it is their human right’ – it would be hard if not near impossible to do it through the Left alone. To do so by calling those – “bigoted” – who would oppose such laws that would introduce inequalities and undermine basic freedoms – is a hard sell.

    What is interesting – is listening to the Muslim kids of immigrants – who were either born or grown up in the west – they seem to have a fanciful – almost utopian view of what the Islamic world is like. I have seen openly gay people in the Islamic world – and others knew they were. [Even saw male prostitutes.] This idea of Muslims – that they are coming from a position of perfection [of the Islam world] to imperfection [the west] – is a complete nonsense. ‘He has friends who drink alcohol and eat pork.’ I have seen Muslims drink – and indeed more than a few have a problem with alcohol – in the Islamic world.

    That is why so many end up in the hills of some remote outback – waging jihad – because they can’t find this utopia. More, it is their clinging to this idea of perfection in society – that leaves their countries so unstable. Hence they seek out more security and better opportunity in the western world – where they again try to implement the same failed Islamic theocratic ideas – in hopes of a different result.

    ::

    Trump’s right – the jihad is not our problem. Immigration is a privilege – not a right. The amount of money that will need to be spent – first vetting – then monitoring millions of Islamic migrants and their descendants – for decades to come – could be better spent building up the inner cities – or developing depressed areas. Hillary mentioned the Saudis – if they can spend billions building mosques and Islamic schools that teach hate and cause chaos – then let them also spend the money to clean it up. We did not start this problem. And as we have seen with Muslim immigrants who have been given every opportunity – but still take up arms against fellow citizens – we are not going to solve it!

    ::

    Last I checked not too many ‘explosives’ that were widely available!

    ::

    Truthfully – of the Orlando shooing – I think everyone is left completely shocked!

    • billybob says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 8:47 pm

      All very well articulated. Thanks – appreciated your thoughts.

  14. Mubarak says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    “45 percent of American Muslims thought homosexuality should be accepted and 47 percent thought it should be discouraged.”
    The opposite of “discouraged” is “encouraged” not “accepted”.
    Who thinks homosexuality should be encouraged? The LGBT communities for one. They arrange pride parades among other things and by so doing promotes and sells homosexuality and even suggests that it is a form of sexuality one can be proud of in contrast with heterosexuality, which one presumably ought to be ashamed of. Here is where it has gone too far, but if one mentions it a hailstorm of abuse is likely to occur as if the logical consequence of such a critic is the shootings, we have seen in Orlando. Well, it is not, but just as many people don’t want Islam imposed on them – by public prayer e.g. – many people don’t want this vulgar demonstration of a persons sexuality imposed on them. The very demonstrative character of those pride parades declares from afar, that there is something suspect, strained and defiant about the whole enterprise. This needs also to be said and heard in in this connection, but not as a defense of this act of hatred, that was not a tragedy that happened to occur in Orlando, but an act willfully perpetrated by a human agent.

    • billybob says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 8:53 pm

      You need to grow up. People are born that way for the most part and have no choice. They have their “Pride” celebrations because people like you try to make them feel ashamed of themselves. Let them be. Nobody says you have to go to their parades. I don’t. It is too much for me, but I know the days of beating them up in the park need to be long past us. They are human beings like the rest of us.

      • michael says

        Jun 13, 2016 at 9:38 pm

        Billy Bob
        I agree in most cases homosexuality is inherent by birth. There are cases of early sexual abuse that may engender homosexual behavior I believe. It is funny that 2 of the most lauded ancient civilizations. .Greek and Roman practiced homosexuality extensively. ..

      • Mubarak says

        Jun 14, 2016 at 5:12 am

        A year after the passage of the 1975 Consenting Adult Sex Bill, Bob Hope told this joke:
        “I’ve just flown in from California, where they’ve made homosexuality legal. I thought I’d get out before they make it compulsory.”

        For Hope, this was an oddly profound gag, aptly observing that in the “Age of Tolerance,” mere tolerance would soon not not be enough. That in the near future, in the absence of participation, nothing less than full-blown celebratory approval would do.

        Read the whole article here: http://mccluresmagazine.com/_featured-2/no-joking

        • Keys says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 1:18 pm

          Enjoyed your post, Mubarak. Interesting link, too.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 1:56 pm

          The sickening Mubarak–who has lauded Muslim rape–wrote:

          “45 percent of American Muslims thought homosexuality should be accepted and 47 percent thought it should be discouraged.”
          …………………………………

          What Mubarak does not tell us is that what pious Muslims mean by “discouraged” is what we saw in the Pulse Nightclub.

          More:

          The opposite of “discouraged” is “encouraged” not “accepted”.
          Who thinks homosexuality should be encouraged? The LGBT communities for one. They arrange pride parades among other things and by so doing promotes and sells homosexuality and even suggests that it is a form of sexuality one can be proud of in contrast with heterosexuality, which one presumably ought to be ashamed of.
          …………………………………

          What crap. Accepting homosexuality does not mean that one should be ashamed of being heterosexual.

          This is Muslim “reasoning”.

          More:

          Here is where it has gone too far, but if one mentions it a hailstorm of abuse is likely to occur as if the logical consequence of such a critic is the shootings, we have seen in Orlando. Well, it is not, but just as many people don’t want Islam imposed on them – by public prayer e.g. – many people don’t want this vulgar demonstration of a persons sexuality imposed on them.
          …………………………………

          The idea that acceptance of gay rights is the same “imposition” as having to live under Shari’ah law is utter bs. The presence of openly gay people does not directly affect straight people–would that that were true of Infidels forced to live under the heel of Islamic law.

          More:

          The very demonstrative character of those pride parades declares from afar, that there is something suspect, strained and defiant about the whole enterprise.
          …………………………………

          Mubarak would, no doubt, say the same about a St. Patrick’s Day or Chinese New Year parade, as well.

          More:

          This needs also to be said and heard in in this connection, but not as a defense of this act of hatred, that was not a tragedy that happened to occur in Orlando, but an act willfully perpetrated by a human agent.
          …………………………………

          No–it was an act of Jihad perpetrated by a *Muslim*.

          Yet more:

          A year after the passage of the 1975 Consenting Adult Sex Bill, Bob Hope told this joke:
          “I’ve just flown in from California, where they’ve made homosexuality legal. I thought I’d get out before they make it compulsory.”

          For Hope, this was an oddly profound gag, aptly observing that in the “Age of Tolerance,” mere tolerance would soon not not be enough. That in the near future, in the absence of participation, nothing less than full-blown celebratory approval would do.
          …………………………………

          Muslims do not understand jokes.

          The idea that heterosexuals in the West are forced to participate in homosexuality is ludicrous.

          But he believes that anything short of throwing gays off buildings is “participation”.

          Here’s one *very* important point: while Mubarak supposedly takes a consistent anti-homosexual stance here, we find from his postings elsewhere that he is ready with apologia if the homosexual relationships are not, as at the Pulse Nightclub, between consenting adults, but instead involve Muslim rape of small boys:

          *This* is what he has to offer when one of his coreligonists raped a six-year-old boy:

          “Mubarak says
          May 12, 2016 at 5:33 am

          If the West was more careful with its own moral hygiene and e.g. stopped the war on boys and masculinity (Christina Hoff Sommers), it wouldn’t be so susceptible to these opportunistic Islamic infections.
          The wrestling event in Munich was probably an American and feminist inspired, inter-gender wrestling event, where no distinction is made between boys and girls, so how could the refugee from Afghanistan tell the difference?
          Not that an “interference” with a girl would be that much better, but it would assert
          some higher degree of normality although misdirected and criminal. –
          Why did the father leave his son alone in the cabin, by the way —? A symbolic picture of the incident and of father-son relations these days.”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/05/germany-muslim-migrant-sexually-assaults-6-year-old-boy-in-changing-room#comment-1433792

          (by the way, his fevered speculations about the wresting event being feminist and inter-gender are just bizarre)

          He goes on to say in subsequent posts that Islam is “instant karma” for the supposedly decadent West–that we *deserve* to have little boys raped by Muslims, and that Muslims would not rape them except that they have been–supposedly–“feminized” in the West.

          This does not, of course, explain why Muslims rape little boys everywhere else in the world.

          In the end, Mubarak is a typical Mohammedan–who hates *consensual* homosexuality, but is fine with Muslim rape and pedophilia.

          God, I hate Islam.

        • Keys says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 3:43 pm

          Thanks for the dope on Mubarak, graven. You are definately keeping things on he up and up.

  15. Wellington says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    The essence of the problem here, and the reason why JW exists, is that Islam, alone among the major religions of the world, and virtually all minor religions too, instructs it followers to use force in this world to uphold its religious tenets.

    Other religions, whether major or minor, threaten something in the next life if one does not believe this, that or the other thing—-or do this, that or the other thing. Many such religions also threaten that the deity or deities they assert exist could even punish you in this world for not doing or believing blah, blah, blah. But only Islam in its theological blueprint extends to its believers the right to use force IN THIS WORLD to implement its religious tenets.

    Here Islam is truly the odd man out among religions and herein lies the very menacing aspect of this super control-freak faith. Some 28,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide just since 9/11, versus almost no other religious terrorist attacks in said time period, tends to overwhelmingly prove the point maintained here.

    To put it another way, I don’t care what stupid stuff Muslims believe. But I do very much care about Muslim actions in this world in order to uphold the stupid stuff, the ass-backwards rot, they believe is aligned with some kind of cosmic truth. Yep, it’s the “action” element and not the “belief” element” that matters. Again, JW and similar sites would not exist if the “action” element were non-existent in Islam.

    But it is. It’s all over the place. Just in America it’s more than enough——in NYC, Shanksville PA, at the Pentagon, at Fort Hood, in Boston, San Bernardino, in Philly, now in Orlando, et al………and with no end in sight, not first and foremost because Islam is a totally effed up religion, which it surely is, but first and foremost because it is not being accurately described as a totally effed up religion.

    Knowledge is power. A huge dearth of knowledge about Islam exists out there among the Western elites. This thus benefits the spiritual fascism which is Mo’s decrepit creed; also leftists aplenty who can regularly be counted on to get almost nothing right and, like Muzzies, thrive when ignorance abounds and wisdom and common sense recede. Much recession going on right now. Much.

    • mortimer says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 9:54 pm

      With respect, the BELIEF by Muslims in the supremacy of Sharia law, may, I believe, validly concern you very much. Sharia law is the only religious law that applies to those outside of Islam without their consent. Roman Catholic canon law only applies to Roman Catholics, for instance. Not so Sharia.

      Muslims BELIEVE that Sharia was legislated by Allah directly without the agency of humans and therefore is superior to ‘man-made’ laws.

      Muslims BELIEVE that gay bars are ‘impermissible’ for five reasons: homosexuals meet there, the two genders unchaperoned mix there, dancing occurs, musical instruments are played, alcohol is consumed. When all five occur at the same time and during the holy Ramadan season, it is blasphemous beyond words.

      Muslim actions are based on their BELIEF in the universal application of Sharia law.

      Most Muslims will agree with these executions to some degree, but 65% of all Muslims BELIEVE in having strict Sharia law.

      It is the BELIEF of the 65% of all Muslims that is particularly DANGEROUS to us. It leads them either to take the law into their own hands as vigilantes or to hide the vigilantes from the dirty kafirs.

      Muslims BELIEVE that volunteer vigilantism authorized by Sharia in the service of Islam is a ‘good thing’ and meritorious.

      • Wellington says

        Jun 13, 2016 at 10:23 pm

        With respect, mortimer, I can’t discern where we have any difference here though I took your opening as indicating we might. Please expand upon your initial comment if you will.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 11:08 am

          It is called morty one-upmanship Wellington
          It is in the voeg tradition
          Sadly, we have seen this nonsense from Mortimer before.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 14, 2016 at 11:10 am

          Yet, another morty drive-by hit and run sissy-boy discretization.

  16. mortimer says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    Western journalists in general have no knowledge of Sharia law’s terms regarding homosexuals. For their convenience I provide the following.

    Quotes from a fatwa:

    Punishment of Gays Punishment of Homosexuals

    https://islamqa.info/en/38622

    The crime of homosexuality is one of the greatest of crimes, the worst of sins and the most abhorrent of deeds, and Allaah punished those who did it in a way that He did not punish other nations.

    The Sahaabah were unanimously agreed on the execution of homosexuals, but they differed as to how they were to be executed. Some of them were of the view that they should be burned with fire, which was the view of ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) and also of Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him), as we shall see below. And some of them thought that they should be thrown down from a high place then have stones thrown at them. This was the view of Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him).

    Some of them thought that they should be stoned to death, which was narrated from both ‘Ali and Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with them).

    After the Sahaabah, the fuqaha’ differed concerning the matter. Some of them said that the homosexual should be executed no matter what his situation, whether he is married or not.

    Some of them said that he should be punished in the same way as an adulterer, so he should be stoned if he is married and flogged if he is not married.

    Some of them said that a severe punishment should be carried out on him, as the judge sees fit.

    • Sam Hawkins says

      Jun 14, 2016 at 10:56 am

      What the fuqaha’ ??

      Remember that photo spread in the Daily Mail last year? Islamic State threw a gay man off the roof. (Pic of man tied to chair on rooftop; pic of man in mid-air; pic of broken man on ground.)

      But he was still alive! Next pic, an IS “fighter” (very young, no real beard yet, just some peach fuzz on his cheeks). Bends down to examine the victim, not unkindly. Is this a moment of mercy? Will they decide to let him live? Hell no!

      “And some of them thought that they should be thrown down from a high place then have stones thrown at them. This was the view of Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him).”

      You got it! After they satisfied themselves that he was still breathing, the bastards stoned him. All in accordance with Islamic law!

    • Jay Boo says

      Jun 14, 2016 at 11:02 am

      “The crime of (being a Muslim) …
      …. is one of the greatest of crimes, the worst of sins and the most abhorrent of deeds”

  17. mortimer says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    Americans have known or should have known about the Islamic hatred of homosexuals and Sharia punishments. It is now time for Americans to learn the KAFIR DOCTRINE of Islam which teaches that all non-Muslims are KAFIRS, ‘the worst of beasts’. Such vermin are undeserving to live.

    KAFIRS, by the way, constitute 80% of all humans. Muslims consider 80% of the world to be vermin who should be killed by Muslims to make way for a purified world ruled by Sharia law.

    Islam is theocratic fascism. I hope LGBTQ people are reading this and learning it by heart.

  18. citycat says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    “demonised by multiple communities in America for their sexuality”
    What a snake
    like most Immans
    accepting Gay in Islam?
    If so, then does that overshadow the rape, misogyny, FGM, sex slavery, thus making Islamic sexual abuse acceptable and appealing to misogynistic pigs?
    I guess so.
    There is nothing said by an imman or a Muslim even, when talking of Islam, that is not 100% for the forthing of Islam to rule Earth.
    Truth to cover lies that cover truth that cover lies that cover the truth that Islam means to kill or convert all infidels.
    Trickery and fear and all the shenanigans of devious evil, all day, all night, while the infidels drink and enjoy themselves into oblivion of the encroagiog beast from the east, it seems that it does not matter how much Islam spreads, most infidels in the west are unaware, or refuse to look.

    • michael says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 9:54 pm

      There is truth that while.many Muslims I knew well relyed on and advocated conversion by others seeing kind behavior of Muslims. .others really wished for return of caliphate.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 14, 2016 at 2:01 pm

        More claptrap from Muslim apologist “michael”.

  19. michael says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    This is a very good blog ..much better than sophmoric, curse word laden babbling on YouTube

  20. gravenimage says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    Orlando jihad attack highlights debate about acceptance of LGBT people in Islam
    ……………………………………….

    The only “debate” in Islam about LGBT people is whether it is OK to hang them as is done in Iran, gun them down as Omar Mateen did in Orlando, or whether they should just be killed the “traditional” way by throwing them off tall buildings as is done in the Islamic State.

    God, I hate Islam.

  21. R says

    Jun 14, 2016 at 12:32 am

    I like this Christine Williams.

    • Cecilia Ellis says

      Jun 14, 2016 at 12:55 am

      Me, too!

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 14, 2016 at 2:03 pm

      Yes–a fine new contributor at Jihad Watch!

      For anyone who is interested, here are some of her writings at the Gatestone Institute site:

      http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/author/Christine+Williams

  22. Crystal says

    Jun 14, 2016 at 2:34 am

    Steven Anderson is a Christian man (Ruckmanite, cult) with a lot of influence who did say that he didn’t mind what the jihadist did. So I’d be a little careful of saying that no Christians have called for gay peoples’ deaths:

    http://www.towleroad.com/2016/06/steven-anderson-orlando/

    Type in “Steven Anderson – Orlando, death” and see what you find. It’s shocking.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 pm

      Yeah–that’s ugly stuff. It is well worth noting, though, that it was not Steven Anderson or any of his followers who murdered fifty people in Orlando–it was a pious Muslim.

      • Keys says

        Jun 14, 2016 at 5:14 pm

        Ever notice that it is not the imams, ayatollahs, muftis, shiekhs, princes, kings, caliphs, scholars, and other assorted Islamic biggies that do the suicide missions, bombings and killings?

  23. Denna says

    Jun 14, 2016 at 2:43 am

    I want to strongly condemn islamic and all religious forms of homophobia and hatred towards LGBT people. These religions are immoral at the core and we should not let them spread their immoral disregard for human life.

    Islam has destroyed the Middle East and it is the most effective iN corrupting the mInds of sane people. No more of this!

  24. Mubarak says

    Jun 14, 2016 at 6:10 am

    Apropos people – in this case men – kissing in public thus enraging Omar Mateen:

    If two men kiss in public, who can tell whether they want an audience or if they are so absorbed by each other and gone with the wind, that they don’t know where they are? If their kissing is just a staging and enacting of the stupid, inauthentic program WWYD, their affection for each other is already tainted and deserves our disapproval, but certainly not by killing.
    So don’t impose this kissing drivel on people in the public sphere, if you can help it.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 14, 2016 at 2:10 pm

      More blaming of the victims by the appalling Mubarak.

      He has also blamed the New Year’s Eve rapes in Cologne on the West allowing women to attend public holiday events, and the Muslim rape of small boys on their supposed feminization in the West.

  25. jacques sabena says

    Jun 14, 2016 at 7:55 am

    The monster was of Afghan origin, where, of course, as a good Muslim country, there are no “gays”. Really? Five years ago British newspapers carried this story… ”

    In Afghanistan older, powerful men boost their social status by keeping boys as sexual playthings and the practice is celebrated in song and dance, a military study claimed.

    British officers in Helmand requested the study to help them understand the sexual behaviour of locals and Afghan comrades after young soldiers became uneasy they were being propositioned.

    American social scientists employed to help troops understand the local culture reported that homosexual sex was widespread among the Pashtun ethnic group in southern Afghanistan.

    • Mubarak says

      Jun 14, 2016 at 12:09 pm

      Classic: you fight in others, what you can’t overcome in yourself – and if your have overcome it in yourself, your fight against others is with grace, humility and understanding.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 14, 2016 at 2:14 pm

        Yet more crap from Mubarak.

        There is *no* Muslim fight against Bacha bazi in Afghanistan at all–the sexual use of small boys is very much a part of Muslim “culture”.

        What Muslims *hate* is the sort of affectionate, consensual same sex relations one finds at places like Pulse Nightclub.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 14, 2016 at 2:11 pm

      *Very* true, jacques.

  26. Don Davenport says

    Jun 14, 2016 at 8:50 am

    Islam and Muslims have long passed gays on the p.c. hierarchy. If one points out Islam and its devout followers are “homophobic”, they’ll be labeled “Islamophobic”.

  27. Florida Jim says

    Jun 14, 2016 at 9:23 am

    The group is called LGBT butt the Orlando chapter proudly adds Q is that a slighjt or PC error? Following Democrat nonsense is tiring.Democrats need more and more taxes to fund all the misfits they associate with to get these taxes the make up problems like Global Warming[ who would not be happy to save the planet is the scam] Global warming, climate change, global cooling [the first iteration], GreenPeace, NOW, PETA, PBR, PBS , professors everywhere are fully engaged in the scam because as the money pours schools have joined the rape of america and their fees have skyrocketed just as the global warming scam rewards the phony statistics. Check whom is getting rich off Democrats and you will see it is an entire nation of people being bribed with my tax dollars to vote Democratic and shut up.The end game of democrats is to return to a Marxist nation and “do it right ” this time it never works but the same people and their foul offspring keep trying.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 14, 2016 at 2:15 pm

      “Q” is “questioning”. “I” is often added, as well. Fairly silly at this point.

      • LR says

        Jun 15, 2016 at 2:15 am

        graven,

        Yes, silly…And now there has been tons of media time debating over bathrooms…And I heard one mom in Britain being very upset that her child’s ‘uppity school’, still dares to mention school uniforms for girls AND boys. Mom thinks that is horrible, and is battling the school since her little girl wants to wear pants, or thinks she’s a boy, or whatever.

        Get over it Mom! I promise your kid won’t suffer terrible trauma or die because she has to wear uniform dresses for awhile.

        This is what some news outlets waste their time on these days.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 15, 2016 at 3:47 pm

          The worst of it is that this is, as you note, such a waste. Here we are facing the greatest threat of our time from Jihad, and we are often wasting our time with this silliness instead.

  28. Gman says

    Jun 14, 2016 at 11:43 am

    Frighteningly absent are the lack of questions being asked. Such as:
    1) Where is boy Obama on this other than mumbling some canned speech. A real leader would summon all FBI/DOJ/DHS big shots and find out what they need to keep this nation safe. It’s well known that the FBI needs 3 times the number of field agents just to keep tabs on these kooks.
    2) Where is Paul Lyin’ Ryan? Hmmmmmmmmm? He’s nowhere to be found. He ought to be leading the house to address all this.
    3) Where are all the LGBT groups? Any other time they’d be marching in the streets against Christians.
    4) Maybe when the government can’t/won’t lead the people, the people need to lead the government.

  29. dmorgan says

    Jun 14, 2016 at 12:23 pm

    Muslims have tolerance foronly one thing , killing others in the name of their religion! And that is why bal-allah, created infidels so muslims would have a divine right to murder ! They have done it from it’s inception and will keep doing it, until they are” forced” to stop by us infidels! There is no other way!

  30. LR says

    Jun 15, 2016 at 1:10 am

    Radio show interviewing Imam of Islamic society of Central Florida re: homosexual sex. Saying same as several Christian groups have said..

    ‘Not ok with God to act out the sex, but of course should be accepted and loved in family and community. Has been that way in Islam throughout history, throughout the world.’*…

    ‘Chapter eighteen’…those who believe can believe, those who don’t want to believe don’t have to’…He brought up that chapter of Koran*….

    Muhammed Musri…Islamic society of central Florida…
    *paraphrasing…

    https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/06/13/cnn-islamic-society-central-floridas-imam-musri-condemns-strongest-terms-orlando-attack/210896
    *******

    Some Christian minister did state it was a good thing that 50 pedophiles are gone…I think he went into hiding…

  31. Manuele says

    Jun 21, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    “There is no religious justification or precedent in Islam for mass shootings targeting any population, regardless of identity, nor is there justification in American law or values. This tragedy is a reminder of the terrible harm that can result from the wide availability of guns and explosives”.

    I CAN SMELL MUHAMMAD’S PERVERTED TEACHING IN EVERY SINGLE WORDS COMING OUT OF The D.C.-based Muslim Alliance for Sexual and Gender Diversity. THE LIES TO COVER UP THEIR OWN PERVERTED THINKING, THEIR HATE OF PEOPLE THEY CONSIDER INFIDELS. I SAY THAT THE MUSLIMS HAS BEEN THE PROBLEM FROM THE BEGINNING AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE PROBLEM. THEY HAVE GOT NOTHING GOOD OR HEALTHIER TO TEACH THE ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY. NONE WHAT SO EVER. I SAY THAT THE SOONER THE LEFTIES/LIBERALS CALLS OBAMA TO ACCOUNT FOR HIS IGNORAMUS SOFT APPROACH TOWARDS ISIS AS A TERRORIST ORGANISATION, SOMETHING POSITIVE MIGHT COME OUT OF IT. TO BLAME THE AVAILABILITY OF GUNS AND EXPLOSIVES IS JUST PUSHING THE BLAME AWAY FROM THE PERVERTED TEACHING OF MUHAMMAD. THE JACKASS.

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