In the Detroit News today I discuss the price of the prevailing denial and willful ignorance:
In the wake of the Orlando jihad terror massacre, a counter-terror analyst revealed that denial and willful ignorance about the jihad threat have permeated law enforcement at all levels.
“I spent eight hours with a Midwest police force — 250 officers teaching them about jihad — and helping them understand about al-Qaida and the Islamic faith,” he said. “After eight hours of talking to them a young woman walks up from the Obama administration from the Department of Homeland Security and says, ‘That’s all very interesting, but I disagree with all of it because the primary threat to Americans is white supremacists.’ ”
This patently false claim first surfaced in June 2015, based on a study of the number of those killed by jihadis and by right-wing extremists since Sept. 11. It skews the results by leaving out 9/11, and stated that right-wing extremists had killed 48 people from September 12, 2001, to June 2015, while Islamic jihadists had killed only 26 people in the U.S. in that span.
The results would, of course, look much different if one more day to the period surveyed, September 11, 2001 — or if one adds the 49 people killed by Omar Mateen. The study also ignored the many, many foiled jihad plots, and the fact that jihadis are part of an international movement that has killed many thousands of people, while right-wingers and white supremacists are not.
But the DHS official was just reflecting government policy. The East Orlando Post reported Sunday that James Copenhaver, whom it described as a “veteran investigator and former Orlando law enforcement officer,” said: “I have been in this business for 30 years, and … never in all my years of training, and being involved in several investigative units, to include the FBI Task Force, would we have ever guessed a LGBT club be a target of an terrorist attack.”
Why would they never have guessed? Because the FBI and other law enforcement agencies don’t study the motivating ideology behind jihad terror attacks. They do not know or care that the prophet of Islam, Muhammad says: “If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.” (Abu Dawud 38:4447)
Combine that with Islamic State spokesman Abu Mohammad al-Adnani’s call to Muslims to make this Ramadan a “month of calamity everywhere for nonbelievers … especially for the fighters and supporters of the caliphate in Europe and America,” and there was every reason for the FBI to suspect that an LGBT club could be the target of a jihad terror attack.
This goes back to October 2011, when a coalition of Muslim and South Asian groups demanded that the Obama administration “purge all federal government training materials of (allegedly) biased material.” The administration complied, purging all counter-terror training materials of all mention of Islam and jihad.
While the desire to protect innocent Muslims from vigilante attacks is laudable, to enforce willful ignorance about the motivating ideology behind attacks such as the one in Orlando is not only foolish, but dangerous. It only ensures that there will many, many more jihad massacres.

davej says
Obama is a Muslim.
No matter how eloquent he is a traitor to this country.
Hillary is just as bad, minus the eloquence.
Saleem Smith says
Maybe. Obama is certainly bad, but Hillary may indeed make for a worse president. To me, Obama is a highly narcissistic and charismatic lawyer/politician with a good memory who can read off of a teleprompter well. While Hillary Clinton performs like an ambitious trained seal without a conscience.
Anyways, a devout Muslim named Omar Mateen recently slaughtered nearly 50 gay persons in a bar located in the state of Florida, USA. The devout Mohammedan in question was undoubtedly following the detailed instructions he found located within Islam’s most sacred texts (the Quran and Sunnah).
I am an ex-Muslim and find Islam to be an absurd and offensive religion/ideology. Mohammed the prophet of Islam, who may have never even existed, was probably the most evil human being to have ever supposedly lived. And this fellow ex-Muslim named Hamed Abdel-Samad apparently agrees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmagdEfTAp0
Jay Boo says
Saleem,
That summation of Obama & Hillary is a good one
“Obama is a highly narcissistic and charismatic lawyer/politician with a good memory who can read off of a teleprompter well. While Hillary Clinton performs like an ambitious trained seal without a conscience”
Carolyne says
I think its more than that. I believe Obama to be a Sunni Muslim. He is just aiding his compatriots in their quest for a Grand Caliphate. Hillary, however, is bought and paid for by Saudi Arabia.
BC says
Most Muslims hate the idea of freedom, that is the reason they are Muslims* to submit to the will of a non existing being. Everything that happens is decided by ‘allah’ They want to have a tightly structured life, pray five times a day go to mosque on Friday.
The ambition for a perfect sharia controlled world is like the .desire of the Nazis and the Communists, one to be the master race and the other to ‘perfect’ human beings.
Everybody had to march to the same beat
*qualifier: of course those born into Islam never get a choice as they brainwashed from birth
Laura says
I would disagree just a tad with your statement-“allah” is indeed an existant being – his name is Lucifer.
Steve says
I don’t know if obummer is a actual muslims or not what he is for sure he is a Muslim symphithiser and apologist and appears to hate America and the black part of hm is in constant turmoili with the white part of him and this causes conflict in his private,as well as his public life
Marty says
Islam quite openly starts where Nazism dared not even hint, or Hitler
would not have received more than 10% of the popular vote.
Compare the lives of women under islam, including in the US & UK,
with the lives of German women under Nazism.
Ex muslims are the most courageous people & should be supported
& encouraged.
However, lying is a jihadic duty ,& so we can’t take any more muslims
even ex muslims, in the civilised world.
Robeaver says
All religions try to get kids from a young age. Nazi Youth started young. Because it works. This darn Internet thing is disrupting all this hard work. Shame, that. Oh for the good Olde days. Spare the rod and spoil the child. Death to Apostates………Wait, what?
salim says
Hamid is a hero of our time. He knows islam inside out and spares no effort to expose it. The good thing is that people listen to him and watch his videos. He is making a big difference.
BC says
Absolutely brilliant discussion, many thanks
Angemon says
Saleem Smith posted:
“Obama is certainly bad, but Hillary may indeed make for a worse president.”
Muhammad agrees, although for completely different reasons than your assertion – which, BTW, I wholeheartedly agree with – (skip to 5:45):
Mo says
@ Angemon
Thanks for the video!
Jay Boo says
Maybe Hijab Hillary should reach out to Gays rather than Muslims.
Jay Boo says
Surrogate villain as culprit
After Muslim attacks
The Rules of MSM & OBO Administration.
Don’t get angry at Muslims.
Repress all negative thoughts and feelings about Muslims.
Say some of my best friends are Muslim
Find a (nothing to do with Islam) scapegoat such as:
Gun control,
Right-Wing Christians.
Mental Illness,
Peaceful Islam hijackers.
Or blame Islamophobia and 15 minute film
SBJ says
Willful ignorance of Jihad is perpetuated by puppet Obama and the press.
JayT says
Obama is not a puppet, he knows exactly what he is doing. He has cut the military to the lowest levels since WW2. To this end, he called for an end to the F-22 raptor, the only conventional weapon feared by all. A weapon so potent Congress passed a law saying it could not be sold even to allies.
Obama has done his best to squash the 2nd amendment and 1st for that matter. He has run up the debt like crazy, laughed on TV about how his shovel ready jobs programs weren’t ready at all, and spent his time apologizing for the U.S. to anyone who would listen.
For a while, I wasn’t sure and was looking for a smoking gun to show he was a stronger proponent of Islam than he was letting on. When he had all 122 federal prisons ban pork and gave some crappy reason for it, that was the moment I knew for sure.
He sees every facet of traditional America as a stain on the world that needs to be removed and replaced by third world ideals.
quotha raven says
To JayT – who says “Obama…spent his time apologizing for the U.S. to anyone who would listen.”
When he wasn’t bizzy releasing felons from US prisons onto our streets and terrorists out of Guantanamo to resume their work of destroying the West.
I cannot believe I’m living in times that make so little sense and feels so utterly destructive to liberty and a way of life I confess I had somewhat taken for granted. Not any more.
Good comment, JayT.
Cheers!
quotha raven
Carolyne says
I knew it when he bowed and kissed the hand of the king of Saudi Arabia. I knew it when he said that “The most beautiful sound on earth is the call to evening prayer.” I knew it when he said at the United Nations that “We must never slander the prophet of Islam.” Obama is a Muslim. I have no doubt.
c matt says
To slander the ‘profit’ of Islam, what you say would have to be false. You could not make up falsities about Mudhamed that are worse than the truth.
Northern Virginiastan says
He wasn’t merely bowing, he was genuflecting to the Saudi King.
quotha raven says
I’m hearing more and more reference to “willful ignorance” on all the news/talk shows on the radio. Maybe a glimmer of hope? Thank you Robert Spencer. I’m sure you didn’t do much in the eight hours you spent speaking with these police officers to encourage the ridiculous notion that (presumably after man made global warming) is white supremacists.
I’m still feeling like I’m Through the Looking Glass. Willful ignorance provides a stimulating and instructive look at how some human minds work. The proclivity and ability for self-deception is astonishing.
Cheers!
quotha raven
quotha raven says
Oops! I meant to say ” I’m sure you didn’t do much in the eight hours you spent speaking with these police officers to encourage the ridiculous notion that (presumably after man made global warming) is white supremacists are the major threat to America’s security..” qr
Guest says
It has been made clear “white supremacy” no longer exists.
Moses says
May God remember those who lost their loved ones but at the end of the day,if we don’t tackle radical Islam head on we will be lighting up more candles and remembering the dead.
linnte says
Robert, glad to see you in the Detroit News! It’s a good place to speak to non Muslim Americans who are inundated by Islam in Michigan.
Lo0okmann says
Orlando reveals our willful ignorance about jihad—Spencer
It is willful and continued ignorance, forced on us by a ‘determined’ media with false notions of civility and tolerance.
Baucent says
This willful ignorance extends to the mainstream media who have a shocking lack of curiosity when it comes to terror acts carried out by muslims. Where have all the investigative journalists gone? A little research show the worst place in the world to be gay is muslim countries. That Saudi Arabia and Iran both kill gays as does Islamic State. These cowards in the media (or is it ideology) won’t “join the dots”; Islam teaches gays should be killed and many muslims agree with that.
So how to explain an attack on a place where gays gather by a muslim who claims to be a ISIS follower? Simple, call him mentally disturbed and a hater of people (meaning anyone) Such are the lies the media spins. But will uninformed masses buy it this time?
Cecilia Ellis says
Here is a link to the FoxNews segment featuring Dr. Sebastian Gorka, who minces no words in calling out the Obama administration’s policy of political correctness and the impact that has on defeating Islamic terrorism.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/06/13/dr-sebastian-gorka-obama-must-declare-war-drop-political-correctness-and-save-lives.html
Gorka warns that American lives will continue to be lost unless Obama removes the constraints of political correctness, the constraints he put in place.
Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, and Sebastian Gorka — to name but a few — have done their part, at great risk to their personal safety. All are frontline champions in the ongoing battle to identify the enemy and to save lives, despite the consequences. To all of them I say, “Thank you. You are fighting the good fight.”
Jay Boo says
LGBTQM
The letter ‘M’ to be added to LGBTQ so Muslims do not feel overshadowed in claiming victim status.
sham says
KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE NOT PART OF RELIGION OF ISLAM: SOME PEOPLE ACTION SHOULD ACCOUNTED FOR THEM ,NOT THEIR RELIGION,THAT IS MADNESS/LUNATICS/BRAIN DEAD PEOPLES ACTIVITIES ……….
CAN ANYONE CRITICIZE CHRISTIANITY FOR HITLER ??????????
5: 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.
3:21. Verily! Those who disbelieve in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah and kill the Prophets without right, and kill those men who order just dealings, announce to them a painful torment.
17: 33. And do not kill anyone which Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islamic law).
Muslim :: Book 17 : Hadith 4238
Ubida b. as-Samit repnrted: I was one of those headmen who swore allegiance to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) that we will not associate anything with Allah, and will not commit adultery, and will not steal, and will not kill any soul which Allah has forbidden, but with justice nor plunder, nor disobey (Allah and His Apostle), then Paradise (will be the reward) in case we do these (acts) ; and if we commit any outrage(bad, violence) (and that goes unpunished in the world), it is Allah Who would decide about it. Ibn Rumh said: Its judgment lies with Allah.
Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 161
It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: Avoid the seven noxious things. It was said (by the hearers): What are they, Messenger of Allah? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Associating anything with Allah, magic, killing of one whom God has declared inviolate without a just cause..
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 21
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
The Prophet said, “The most hated persons to Allah are three: (1) A person who deviates from the right conduct, i.e., an evil doer, in the Haram (sanctuaries of Mecca and Medina); (2) a person who seeks that the traditions of the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance, should remain in Islam (3) and a person who seeks to shed somebody’s blood without any right.”
Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 185
Narrated Abu Musa:
The Prophet said, “Near the establishment of the Hour there will be days during which (religious) knowledge will be taken away (vanish) and general ignorance will spread, and there will be Al-Harj in abundance, and Al-Harj means killing.”
Champ says
“CAN ANYONE CRITICIZE CHRISTIANITY FOR HITLER ??????????”
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Hitler *hated* Christianity, so you desperately need to educate yourself …
Jay Boo says
INNOCENT ??????????????????
sham in his very first sentence said
“Killing innocent people not part of Islam”
The problem with that sentence is the word — “innocent”
There is not very much that Muhammad considered innocent including his six year old child bride Aisha
How dare that nasty pedophile pervert condemn gays.
Muhammad said to kill homosexuals
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/homosexuality.aspx
http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm
salim says
How about you learn your Quran first?
” 5:32 ….except for retaliation and (!!spreading!!) mischief”, mischief means practicing un islamic things such as drinking alcohol, eating pork, listening to music and believing in crucifixion. basically it describes ordinary life styles of non muslims, therefore, all non muslims can be legally (according to sharia) killed. The word “spreading” is not part of the verse and you added it as part of islamic deception.
quotha raven says
To Salim – Always good to see your comments here. As you are a former muslim, your remarks carry extra credibility. As for “sham” – Go git him. Every single time. Sometimes he/she’s subtle, but usually his/her comments contain buried or overt evidence that he/she is not who he/she presents himself/herself to be, so it’s helpful to have savvy, informed people like you, Salim, ready to pick up on these inconsistencies and share your thoughts. Your input is much appreciated.
Cheers!
quotha raven
Mo says
@ sham
“KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE NOT PART OF RELIGION OF ISLAM: ”
Your name suits you perfectly. Nice try at taqiyya. We all know that in Islam, non-Muslims are not considered innocent.
“CAN ANYONE CRITICIZE CHRISTIANITY FOR HITLER ??????????”
LOL! What does Hitler have to do with Christianity? You’ve never read the Bible. You know zero about what it teaches.
Take your lies elsewhere.
Seth says
Sheep offering their necks up for the slaughter.
sham says
ABOUT Omar Mateen(WIKI)
In 2009, Mateen married his first wife, who left him after four months; the couple’s divorce became final in July 2011. Following the nightclub attack, Mateen’s ex-wife said that he was “””””obviously disturbed, deeply””””””'”; she stated that Mateen was often physically abusive and used ””””””’steroids”””””””
Mateen’s father, Seddique Mir Mateen, was quoted as saying that he had seen his son get angry after witnessing a gay couple kiss in front of his family at the Bayside Marketplace in Miami months prior to the attack, which he suggested might have been a ”””””””motivating factor””””””””’.[60][61]
ACCORDING TO ISLAM AS A MUSLIM FIRST HE NEED :Patient for public violence
14: 12. “And why should we not put our trust in Allah while He indeed has guided us our ways. And we shall certainly bear with patience all the hurt you may cause us, and in Allah (Alone) let those who trust, put their trust.”
47: 31. And surely, We shall try you till We test those who strive hard (for the Cause of Allâh) and the patient ones, and We shall test your facts (i.e. the one who is a liar, and the one who is truthful).
SECOND Public people have no right to punish the people: even they attack them
Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 173
It is narrated on the authority of Miqdad b. Aswad that he said. Messenger of Allah, you just see (here is a point): If I encountered a person amongst the infidels (in the battlefield) and he attacked me and struck me and cut off one of my hands with the sword. Then he (in order to protect himself from me) took shelter of a tree and said: I become Muslim for Allah’s sake. Messenger of Allah, can I kill him after he had uttered this? The Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) said: Do not kill him. I (the narrator) said: Messenger of Allah, he cut off my hand and uttered this after amputating it; should I then kill him? The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Don’t kill him, for I you kill him, verily he would be in a position where you had been before killing him and verily you would be in a position where he had been before uttering (kalima).
People who take weapons (BLINDLY) for fight prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 190 ,91,92
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 637
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Champ says
sham defined:
noun
1. a thing that is not what it is purported to be.
adjective
1. bogus; false.
verb
1. falsely present something as the truth.
CrossWare says
Nice taqiyya. Add to it that infidels does not count as “innocent” so none of this BS applies to them.
Richard says
It transpires this Orlando murderer was gay
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/orlando-shooter-reported-pulse-club-regular-patrons-article-1.2672445
Gays according to Islam go to hell and not only hell but Islamic hell, a very bad place indeed, for those who are brainwashed to believe it (which are plenty).
So the question arises- why then does he kill gays?
Answer the Quran promises that those who are killed while killing the infidel are washed of all their sins and go straight to Islamic paradise, where you not only get 70 eternal virgins to have eternal sex with, but also smooth skinned young boys as “pearls” circulating among them.
Jay Boo says
Wake up LGBT world
If (any Muslim) claims to support gays he is either lying or an apostate to Islam.
Islam’s founder Muhammad — said to KILL GAYS
let me repeat that:
Islam’s founder Muhammad — said to KILL GAYS
51% of U.S. Muslims want Sharia;
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/51-of-u-s-muslims-want-sharia-60-of-young-muslims-more-loyal-to-islam-than-to-u-s
Understanding the Ramadan Massacre at a Gay Nightclub in Orlando (David Wood)
milad meah says
Orlando reveals our willful ignorance about ISLAM
Debi Brand says
Indeed. Of course.
Debi Brand says
“ …there will many, many more jihad massacres.”
Indeed, In brief.
As you stated, Robert, when Abu Dawud, and others, provide the command of the “prophet of Islam,” “If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done,” that is the precise action the believer is then Allah-charged to take.
My hardcopy DARRUSSALAM (Global Leader in Islamic Books) rendition of Sunan Abu Dawud provides the words of the “Messenger of Allah,” on the above Hadith this way: “Whoever of you find doing the action of the people of Lut, kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”
Other sources in the Conical Six offer the same.
That said, on AC 360 tonight, one of the young men that was there in the bathroom with the shooter, this young man stated, he heard Manteen state to the 911 operator, not only that he had declared his allegiance to IS”s “Al-Baghdadi,” but that this [hit] was for IS, “You got to stop bombing them.”
In short, as you spoke to, we want to pretend this has nothing to do with basic Islam. But this is nothing more, nothing less than basic Islam in action.
We bomb them, they are going to attacks us, where they can, where each one decides he/she wishes to spend him or her self in the sake of Allah.
And because we refuse to regard, this is basic Islam in action, hit after hit, after hit, we will absorb, and the best we will do is clean up the mess, process the remains, light our candles, assert our “solidarity” to abject willful blindness to Islam, and prepare for the next flow of carnage and bloodletting by the Allah-obedient.
In brief.
Mike Ramirez says
sham quoted the following verse from the Quran:
5: 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.
BUT failed to quote the verse immediately following 5:32
5:33 states: “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”
Now, here’s the TRUTH about 5:32 (Guess where it originates from?)
“He who saves one life… it is as if he saves an entire universe. He who destroys a life… it is as if he destroys an entire universe” TALMUD – Sanhedrin 4:5
Muslim apologists have many times quoted Jewish text to try to prove the validity and harmlessness of Islam. Yes, really!
One such example is where Muslims credit the Qur’an with the saying which proclaims that “if one person is killed, it is as if all of mankind has been killed.” The fact is: That is not even an Islamic teaching to begin with; it came from the Jewish teaching as cited above and also found in Mishna 5 which states:
3) “Therefore but a single person was created in the world, to teach that if any man has caused a single life to perish from Israel, he is deemed by Scripture as if he had caused a whole world to perish; and anyone who saves a single soul from Israel, he is deemed by Scripture as if he had saved a whole world.” Source: http://mishnahyomit.org/sanhedrin/Sanhedrin%204-5.doc
Now, here is where Muslims put an out of context “spin” on the Jewish saying and fail to reveal the complete message as written in the following text:
Qur’an 005.032
YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
PICKTHAL: For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah’s Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.
SHAKIR: For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
However, guess what happens next? Qur’an 005.033
YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
And as for Muslim apologists’ comments that downplay the fact that Muslims are encouraged to lie for a specific means, here is what is taught in Islam:
Chapter 261 Falsehood that is Permissible (Book of Prohibitions)
The learned compiler of this book has put forth some arguments to prove that it is lawful to tell a lie under the stress of circumstances. An example of this is the case of a Muslim who hides himself or his money from a tyrant who is bent on killing him or taking his money from him. If one knows the whereabouts of this Muslim or his money and is asked about it, it is permissible to lie in this case to save a Muslim’s life or his property, but it is better to give an equivocal answer, that is one which is not clear or definite in meaning, and that can be interpreted in more than one way in order to shun lying altogether. The sum and substance of discussion has been derived from the narration ascribed to Umm Kulthum (May Allah be pleased with her). She said: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, “A liar is not the one who tries to bring about a reconciliation between the people and speaks good to avert dispute or to convey good.”
[Al-Bukhari].
It may be concluded that falsehood is permissible in the following three cases:
(i) While fighting Jihad in the Cause of Allah.
(ii) To conciliate between people.
(iii) For the husband to please his wife and the wife to please her husband.
Source: http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/riyad/17/book17.htm
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siesmann says
Islam is always a dilemma-bigotry really. Bacha-bazi or rape of young boys and girls is much prevalent in Afghan and Pakistan culture.Yet they claim otherwise.If one doesn’t like gays or hates them,that is no reason to kill them. American Right also dislikes,and some even hates gays,but they don’t go about murdering them.
CrossWare says
I do not think the purge is just bumbling ignorance by incompetent government, a botched attempt to protect innocent Muslims. This more look like as a coordinated Muslim Brotherhood infiltration to dissolve defence. If they really wanted to protect the innocent (in my mind only the ex-Muslim apostates are), knowing the ideology would help measure up the dangers these people has to face.
Jay says
Sham,
Hi there and peace be with you. I say all of the following out of love and respect to you Sham. It seems you are seeking to find peace and sense in your religion and are trying to prove to others you are right. I ask that you keep seeking. Dude, you will never find peace in yourself by submitting to a law & trying to force it on others. Religious law shows us how horribly wretched we are and
the law never restores our honor and stops the sin in us in order to be good enough to make it to paradise. Your awesome prophet Isa said in the Injeel, which your Holy Book says you can read-as you know as you are well versed in the Quran However, the problem with the verse which states, “you should make no distinction between the Torah, the Zabur, & the Injeel”-the books before the Quran-is that your Imams say its corrupted. Who corrupted it?? Let me ask you who is greater God or man???
You believe the Imam over Gods Word?? If you ever have the guts to seek truth for yourself, you will find that Isa is truly the bread of life and the living water that all can come to and will never be thirsty again. He believed that the God of the Bible was GREAT enough to die for and his creation (people) would never have to and sacrifice any longer to try and make it to paradise. Do you understand why Christians don’t sacrifice except the sacrifice to love your neighbor as yourself? Jesus NEVER taught about killing yourself or others to attain life hereafter. Do you have any idea what I’m talking about? Do you really want rest & peace or have you been able to do that on your own? I couldn’t and either can you. I hope this Eid you seek and find the real and final sacrifice. May you be blessed with an abundance of peace and love.
Plamen says
Bravo, Robert!!
But, thousands more voices are needed like yours.
It took 700 years for Iberia and 600 years for the Balkans to get rid of that plague (ok, state actors were all at the time). Provided peoples there understood it as threat since its very beginning.
In America, people still look divided between who to blame outside of real threat’s delineation: it is the “we”, gun laws, radicalistion, wrath, bad integration and many more baseless inventions.
How many centuries more?…
Plamen says
Hitler admired islam. He wished Germany to be islamic and as such to conquer Europe and entire world:
“Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers — already, you see, the world had fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing was Christianity!—then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies heroism and which opens the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so”. – Hitler’s Table Talk 1941-1944, p 667
Norger says
“Right wing terrorists” are more dangerous than Islamic terrorists. From a statistical analysis standpoint, here’s the best debunking of that nonsense that I’ve read. And this was before Orlando.
https://apholt.com/2016/01/11/right-wing-extremism-vs-islamic-extremism-in-the-united-states-a-look-at-the-numbers/
Richard says
Our willful ignorance extends not only to our leaders and politicians, but extends to our, by now, thoroughly brainwashed public and even to the victims of Jihad violence.
Surely the most deluded of all people must be the liberal LGBT community who regard Muslims as fellow oppressed minorities and align themselves with them and defend Islam after every atrocity committed in its name, including against them.Who totally ignore and turn a blind eye to the evidence of Islam as practiced by the most Islamic countries in the world, or for that matter the more “moderate” Muslim countries.
If you have any doubt, just listen to this tearful plea of a mother of a victim, pleading for – wait for it – not surveillance or action against jihadis but – Gun Control.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36520213
jacques sabena says
Richard, you are so right, deluded is the word. Why can’t they see that Muslims consider them as disease-ridden deviants at best, deserving of death at worst. And I don’t want to hear any BS about it only being extremists (as Obama said) – this from Reuters news just weeks ago – “A group of 51 Muslim states has blocked 11 gay and transgender organizations from attending a high-level meeting at the United Nations next month on ending AIDS, sparking a protest by the United States, Canada and the European Union. In February, the 54-member African Group and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation protested six new U.N. stamps promoting LGBT equality”.
quotha raven says
To Richard – I have to admit I couldn’t bring myself to watch the video you linked…my heart hit the floor when I read your lead-in, and I’d already gone “Tch!” LOL. The psychology of self-deception is quite baffling, non?
Cheers!
quotha raven
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Where is Spencer on the TV now? On all the shows high level statements are made without specific facts to back them up, going both ways. It would seem that the news entertainers would want to get down to brass tacks and prove what they say. Maybe. Maybe not.
Ken Olsn says
just was on Hannity last with Brigitte.
quotha raven says
Dear APF – How are you and your pigs?))) I am happy to report that Robert seems more and more lately to indeed be getting the esteem and, slowly but surely, the exposure he richly deserves as an essential voice in today’s political climate in the USA and throughout the West.in helping people to realistically assess Islam and US policy in so many areas, not just immigration and foreign policy,Here is something that just sailed into my email:
Video: Robert Spencer on Newsmax on the Orlando jihad massacre
by Robert Spencer
Yesterday I appeared on Newsmax’s Steve Malzberg Show to discuss the Orlando jihad massacre
I’m sure you’ll be seeing it.
Cheers!
quotha raven
quotha raven says
Also, APF, The lib-dominated media are either religiously Marxian or timid as mice about disturbing the leftist status quo and hence unlikely, sad as it is, to investigate and consider all sides of any story. They are far more likely to look pretty, maintain what they see as their gravitas and stay with the company line and not rock the boat. Believe me. Bosses are bullies and, cynically, what sells, sells, and success is success!
Cheers!
Florida Jim says
Since Sharia, Jihad, Taqiyya, beheadings, abuse of boys and women, instilling hatred in three year olds, making converts slaves and having them pay taxes to muslims. Why would any country allow a single muslim to join their country? The goal for muslims everywhere is not to assimilate but to rule the only answer is to deport and ban any mjuslims if you want to save your country.CAIR Imams, Mosques leap to defend the latest muslim terrorist killer but it is all a giant charade to stay and continue the silent takeover of America but Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland will follow if the threat is not taken seriously and all of them ousted or converted to a religion where love and peace reigns Love They Neighbor As Thyself and Love Thy God seems a better religion to me.Muslims are taught to lie as needed to keep Islam going , taqiyya it is called, but this means we can never trust a muslim, doesn’t it?
jacques sabena says
And even now, as morgues in the US and Europe fill up with innocent victims of medieval savagery, to think that, despite the mounting body count, behind the scenes governments and agencies are quietly finalising the arrangements for the importation of hundreds of thousands of more potentially lethal Muslims to force on our communities. Incomprehensible and despicable. We are signing our own death warrant.
Carolyne says
No, our governments are signing our death warrants. I do not want one more Muslim in the US and I want those who will not assimilate to be deported to some desert somewhere with one camel for company. Or a goat. They can choose.
quotha raven says
to Jacques Sabena – I totally agree. I’m horrified. I agree with Carolyne, too. By “we” I interpreted what you meant to be our non-responsive government.
Cheers!
quotha raven
Jay Boo says
Gay leaders request total ban on killing gays until we figure out what’s going on.
Hillary responds and condemns gays for bigotry.
mortimer says
When LGBTQ’s support Muslim immigration, it’s like Jews supporting the Nazi Party. The Muslims will eventually want to murder all the gays when there are enough of them.
aaron morand says
just watched our Pres. and then the Hildabeast on the evening news…both outraged that DTrump has
them both clearly defenseless at his charge that they know all too well what the agenda of the Muslim
in the USA is and will NOT do anything about it,,,,,they are both in my opinion Muslim sympathizers and
enablers……any Citizen who now thinks that Muslims can be trusted, will make good Citizens, are an
asset to this Nation are seriously deluded…..it now IS Time and PAST TIME to toss out any Muslim who is already here who has ANY connection with a terrorist in the ME, any connection at all, and S T O P the
immigration of any more Muslims to this Nation and it*s protectorates…..Islam is at WAR at the USA..
WHEN will our Government realize that FACT……????????