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Salt Lake Tribune: Qur’an doesn’t command violence against nonbelievers

Jun 5, 2016 12:43 pm By Robert Spencer

In this article, one of the endless stream of mainstream media pieces designed to convince us, despite all the mountains of evidence to the contrary, that Islam is a religion of peace, that the Qur’an rejects “violence against nonbelievers,” and “nowhere” does the Qur’an say that “Muslims should launch jihad against their enemies” — “at least not without interpretive biases.”

Actually, one would need some powerful “interpretative biases” not to see Qur’an verses such as these as mandating that “Muslims should launch jihad against their enemies”:

2:191-193: “And kill them wherever you come upon them, and drive them out from where they drove you out; persecution is worse than slaughter. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, kill them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is all-forgiving, all-compassionate. Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.”

4:89: “They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore do not take friends from among them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, seize them and kill them wherever you find them; do not take for yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.”

5:33: “This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth to do corruption there: they shall be killed, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall be struck off on opposite sides; or they shall be exiled from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”

8:12: “When your Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers; so strike the necks, and strike every finger of them!”

8:39: “Fight them, till there is no persecution and religion is all for Allah; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.”

8:60: “Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatever you spend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.”

9:5: “Then, when the sacred months are over, kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”

9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.”

9:111: “Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.”

9:123: “O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”

47:4: “When you meet the unbelievers, strike their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.”

“Where does it argue women should be kept inside or cover themselves completely?” That’s a straw man. This article is about the Qur’an alone, but those commands aren’t in the Qur’an, but the Hadith. Nonetheless, those commands are authoritative in Sharia: the fact that all Sharia states mandate that women cover themselves and not venture outside unless a male is accompanying them or gives permission is testimony to the authority the relevant hadiths have.

Maysa Kergaye

“Utah Muslims: What Islam’s holy book really says — and doesn’t say — may surprise you,” by Peggy Fletcher Stack, Salt Lake Tribune, June 4, 2016:

What most Americans think they know about Islam’s holy book is that it endorses violence against nonbelievers and the oppression of women. And on those issues, they surmise, it’s way worse than the Bible.

Because of such assumptions, Utah Muslims often get these questions: Where does the Quran say that people should blow themselves up for God? Where does it argue women should be kept inside or cover themselves completely? Or that Muslims should launch jihad against their enemies?

Answers: Nowhere — at least not without interpretive biases.

What most Americans don’t know about Islam’s sacred volume is its statements about tolerance, its condemnation of suicide, its retelling of biblical stories with a twist (like how God told Abraham to sacrifice his son, Ishmael, not Isaac), its view that Jesus was a divine messenger who will be resurrected or its progressive-for-the-time approach to women’s inheritance rights.

Or that the text was dictated by an angel.

Apparently, lots of Muslims don’t fully understand the book’s meanings, either.

Shuaib Din, imam at the Utah Islamic Center in Sandy, believes churchgoing Christians know the Bible better than mosquegoing Muslims know the Quran.

“The problem with many Muslims today,” Din says, is that they see the Quran as a “blessed book and rewarding but not as personally life-changing or used to better society.”…

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  1. jihad3tracker says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    OK, girls and boys, get out your crayons and write a polite colorful correctly spelled reply to this lovely item about The Religion Of Ending Up In Little Pieces.

    If we have been good kids, eating our vegetables and not pushing anyone down on the playground, there might be a contact path to the reporter AND the article.

    • jihad3tracker says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 1:08 pm

      As of now (1:09 PM Eastern US) comments on the article total 812 — but I could NOT bring them up when clicking on the link at the website.

      Maybe this moronic claptrap is causing an avalanche of knowledgeable persons to jump in, and that newspaper can’t moderate them fast enough.

      Whatever the explanation, keep checking back there as today moves along, and let us know if you do manage to open the list of replies.

      The reporter writing it CAN be reached with a bit of research, and the first question is, of course, “DID YOU TALK ONLY TO MUSLIMS?”

      • mortimer says

        Jun 5, 2016 at 1:48 pm

        J3T wrote: ““DID YOU TALK ONLY TO MUSLIMS?” Apparently, she did NOT consult the compulsory alternate source to ‘balance’ her article. Unprofessional? Biased? Yup. Would she do the same if she interviewed Robert Spencer? Nope. She’d ‘balance’ anything Robert Spencer said with ad hominems from a Muslim. The reason this type of put-up article gets produced is that editors know NOTHING about the jihad doctrine, kafir doctrine, taqiyya doctrine or the al Walaa wal Baraa doctrine. They ASSUME that Islam is like Presbyterian only with camels. Preposterous. We must complain.

        It appears when reporters interview Muslims, they do not question ANYTHING that the Muslims say nor run it by an opponent, because that would be perceived as ‘racist’ to question a Muslim’s veracity. Wrongo! Learn about ‘taqiyya’, Peggy. You were had.

        • jihad3tracker says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 2:01 pm

          Hello again dear friend Mortimer —-

          ” . . . like Presbyterians only with camels.” HAHAHA ! Good one ! Please do a video standup comedy routine.

          If it goes viral, Bill Maher might have you on the show BUT ALONG WITH A MUSLIM COMPULSORY ALTERNATE SOURCE, OF COURSE — just to balance things fairly.

        • Westman says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 4:59 pm

          I took the time to review past articles that Ms Stack has written and she beats upon the Mormon Church in her city, quite regularly; displaying far more understanding of its intricacies than she is showing about Islam. Her complete ignoring of Sunnah shows a lazy approach.

          I’m surprised that she didn’t feel the ring tugging on her nose. She was Dhimmi-dummied.

        • mach37 says

          Jun 6, 2016 at 4:13 am

          I thought her mention of “Or that the text was dictated by an angel” was designed to show Mormons that the origin of the Book of Mormon and the angel Moroni relate closely to the Quran and the angel Gabriel. Makes Islam similar to the Mormon belief.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 6, 2016 at 11:34 pm

          Mortimer wrote:

          They ASSUME that Islam is like Presbyterian only with camels…
          …………………….

          Brilliant.

      • abad says

        Jun 5, 2016 at 7:19 pm

        Islam, as a rule, is just not best learned by speaking to Muslims. All you will hear is a highly biased view.

        I recommend reading the Quran, the Hadith, news reports and yes Jihad Wach.

    • mortimer says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 4:07 pm

      Write politely to writer of article:

      facebook.com/peggy.fletcherstack, Twitter @religiongal

      Peggy Fletcher Stack 801-257-8725 pstack@sltrib.com

      Religion – Reporter

      • Nigel GFF says

        Jun 5, 2016 at 4:56 pm

        “…interpretive biases.”

        Thanks for links.
        Yes, they could prove useful to obtain her clarification and examples of these “biases”.
        At least she didn’t use that standby/catch all, “taken out of context”. (Not in the part of the article quoted here).

      • jihad3tracker says

        Jun 5, 2016 at 6:39 pm

        As Mortimer suggests, write politely to Peggy Stack — she is a good person fervently hoping that Islam is nice to other faiths.

        But trusting a Muslim for truth is of course naïve: the Qur’an permits DECEPTIVE LIES in situations if survival is at stake.

        Counter-jihadist David Wood made a terrific short video about that (“Taqiyya”) — search for it on Youtube with that exact title.

        • Ted Tyler says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 6:48 pm

          David Wood is both informative and entertaining. He has many really good videos. I like this one in particular: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hUVVlgEqxY

        • jihad3tracker says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 8:17 pm

          Hello to Ted —- Yes, the video linked in your comment at 6:48 is one of David’s best, and I have recommended it often here on Jihad Watch.

          Titled “Three Stages of Jihad” (length 24:50) — with his elfish wit, citations from the Trilogy, historical context, and SEVERAL APPEARANCES BY MUSLIM PRESIDENT BARRY HUSSEIN SOETORO in embarrassing reality-based moments ! ! !

          For those of you who have not seen it, please stay tuned all the way to the LAST 2 MINUTES — when David adds Stage 4, because of the HUGE slice of Westernized Muslims who have absolutely no clue about what the Qur’an actually commands for infidels.

          Let me also mention a short (4:56) explanation by David to answer the question asked by clueless privilege-guilt Americans — “If Islam is violent why are there so many peaceful Muslims ?” That video is “The Jihad Triangle”, on Youtube. Pass the link on to everyone who is still in denial about Islam’s true intent for all of us non-Muslims.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 10:51 pm

          Excellent video by now Christian former Atheist David Wood.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 6, 2016 at 11:38 pm

          Yes–David Wood is excellent.

    • linnte says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 6:44 pm

      Already emailed her! Peggy Stack. Encouraging her to read the Qur’an, Hadiths and Sharia Law books. Gave her all the info on my Mawdudi copy and reminded her that hearing what Islam is from MUSLIMS is not good enough as the article itself points out that most Muslims don’t know what it says any how.

      • jihad3tracker says

        Jun 5, 2016 at 8:33 pm

        Thank you linnte for taking the time to do that. I sent her a long courteous textually-cited email via the path given on her newspaper’s website.

        If she passes our “reality resources” to other Mormons, we might have a rare chance to let them clearly see Islam’s pathological supremacism.

  2. Walter Sieruk says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 12:58 pm

    The totally false claim that the Koran doesn’t instruct in violence against non-Muslims is a good example of Muslims engaging in the Islamic doctrine of Taqiyya. The Islamic dogma of Taqiyya is ,in essence, the teaching that deception and lying is a good thing to do as long as it’s for the advancement of Islam. In this case the putting into practice of Taqiyya for the cause of Islam involves putting a smokescreen the cover up and hide the the reality about the actual violent and deadly nature of Islam from the public .

  3. Holo says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 1:06 pm

    So much dangerous ignorance and stupidity! Few people take the trouble to read at least the Koran if not the other sacred Islamic books. In the KIoran it says over 100 times to “kill the infidels”. But Muslims and consequently our leaders in the western world keep repeating ad nauseum that “Islam is a peaceful religion”.
    There are peaceful passages in the Koran, but these are from the beginning of Mohammed’s activities when he had few followers. As soon as he had more followers and more confidence, his tune changed.
    This Muslim invation of Judeo-Christian countries must be stopped, but how, when our leaders don’t say/see the truth and don’t act.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 2:10 pm

      Even the peaceful verses were a subterfuge or a temporary tactic, not a real philosophy of co-existence. Muhammad was planning conquests while he was in Mecca, he secretly made pledges for destroying the Jews of Yathrib while being outwardly friendly toward them. And isn’t it pathetic Muslim apologists can only come up with the same tiny handful of peaceful verses, which often mean the opposite to what is being said about them? Nor will “abrogation” and what it signifies be mentioned by the snake, Shuaib Din.

      • mortimer says

        Jun 5, 2016 at 4:32 pm

        Thanks to JD for this excellent analysis of the ‘peaceful’, yet abrogated, verses in the Koran. They were all made for the purpose of lulling the opponents of Islam into a false sense of security before they could be ‘dealt with’ violently and their opposition to supremacism destroyed.

        The real meaning of ‘compulsion’ in this verse will startle most people: 2:256 is actually about BREAKING SACRED VOWS! In other words, no one should be ‘COMPELLED’ by a prior vow from becoming a Muslim.

        The meaning of ‘NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION’ (K. 2.256) is revealed in the Sunan of Abu Dawud, op cit, Book 14, Number 2676.
        “Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: “When the children of a woman (in pre-Islamic days) did not survive, she took a vow on herself that if her child survives, she would convert it (to) a Jew. When Banu an-Nadir were expelled (from Arabia), there were some children of the Ansar (Helpers) among them. They said: WE SHALL NOT LEAVE OUR CHILDREN. So Allah the Exalted revealed; “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error.”

    • PRCS says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 3:12 pm

      Allegedly sacred.

    • Ann says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 6:48 pm

      Exactly well put Mortimer. And I am tired of refutes to Islams call to violence against non-believers by paralleling it to the Old Testament in the Bible. Nowhere in Jesus’ teachings of the New Testament is there a speck of provocation to harm anyone! Quite the contrary.
      The Old Testament refers to a time and place in history…..and I would say Jesus came to free people of the 613 laws and keep the ten and even bring those to the two laws “on which all other laws hang”….namely “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and soul, and like unto it, love your neighbor as yourself”.
      If we mortals had evolved into those two simple prescriptions, life on earth would be better.
      Muhammeds later calls to violent Jihad are open-ended.

      • Western Canadian says

        Jun 5, 2016 at 8:28 pm

        “I would say Jesus came to free people of the 613 laws”

        You might say that. He didn’t.

  4. mortimer says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 1:29 pm

    Koran 48.29 “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
    Those with him are VIOLENT (ashiddaa’) against the unbelievers (kufaar),
    Compassionate amongst themselves.” (Richard Bell’s translation)

    Arabic: “Muhammadun Resoulu-llaahi, wa-ladhiina ma’ahu ashidda’u ‘ala-l kuffaari, ruhama’u baynahum.” Koran 48:29

    The Arabic Word ‘ASHIDDAA’ (aSHiddaa3u) covers a very broad semantic field and the specific meaning depends on the context in which the word is used. Its usual meanings include powerful, sharp, ardent, extreme, strong, intensive, rigorous, severe, vehement, quick, violent, and vigorous. The above adjectives make the ayat even more severe and discriminatory. If the verse in question is to be understood in the context of self-defense against physical attacks by unbelievers, then words like harsh, terrible, implacable are probably correct. If the verse is to be understood in a broader, religious context, then a better choice would be made from words like strong, ardent, severe, stalwart, unmoved, unremitting, uncompromising, etc.

    Shuaib Din is a master of taqiyya and writer Peggy Fletcher Stack was so uninformed about Islam that she swallowed the disinformation hook-line-and-sinker.

    Peggy Fletcher Stack became an enabler of the jihad without even knowing what had been done to her.

    • Jay Boo says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 2:08 pm

      Mort
      Shake your foot vigorously from side to side and wipe it in the grass to dislodge that didactic convolution and then get right to the point, otherwise you will become “an enabler of the jihad without even knowing what had been done to you.”

      Rule # 1
      You can never “deprogram” someone by showing off to them how much you know about their religion because, they will only trick you through your own arrogance and reel you in with a classic Islamic bait-and-switch.
      One minute you identify with anti-jihad and the next you become a Kufi hat wearing Carpet Kissing Convert with a new Muslim name.
      It happens every time.

      Here is a video about how to deprogram (Correctly).
      After the brief metal music intro it is very informative about the basics.
      This happens to be about Jehovah’s Witnesses but many of the basic concepts of not falling into a word trap apply to Islam as well.
      —
      —
      Deprogramming – 1 (happens to be about Jehovah’s Witnesses)

      • billybob says

        Jun 5, 2016 at 4:10 pm

        Hmmm… Applying that to deprogramming a Muslim…

        “So is there any penalty for leaving the religion of Islam?”

        …and at this point, they won’t want to answer that, because the penalty is death, but if they do…

        Then you say, “A religion like this is categorized as destructive because it breaks up families and friendships, causing deep psychological scars…

        But really, how are they going to respond to that question? Logically they will use taqiyya and lie, but how can they keep covering up if you press the issue…
        Like “Have you ever spoken to someone who left the faith? Why did they leave?
        Should be lots of fun!

        • mortimer says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 4:42 pm

          I hope Jay Boo will seek deprogramming from white supremacism and his approval of the methods of Hitlerites.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 6:16 pm

          Mortimer
          You are such a sleaze
          You cannot back-up and defend yourself against a single point.

          Instead:
          1 You slander like a Muslim apologist with outrageous accusations.
          2 You ignore my long history of challenging racist comments like the one recently with the ‘N’ word which you in contrast ignore.

          3 You hope to entice others to co your dirty work — for you.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 6:18 pm

          Defend your position Mortimer — (If you can)

          The ball is in your court.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 6:31 pm

          Absolutely correct on all points, billybob

          Whether or not they admit their error.
          Should be lots of fun!

      • eagle says

        Jun 5, 2016 at 7:06 pm

        Jay Boo, you know so much about the Muslim culture, what an education we are getting from you. I understand you want to align yourself with the Muslim culture, however, you are in America, Americans have only one law and that is the US Constitution, not Sharia Law. You can direct your frustrations inward for your choice of religion. You are in a Judaeo-Christian country and bound by the American Constitutional Laws. If this frustrates you, you are welcome to leave for a country governed by the Sharia Law. Try to enjoy what life you have with your family and children. If this Muslim president brings in enough Muslims, you may have your wish once America gets crushed by the Muslim Culture. Until then, try to find some happiness with your family. Keep your feet clean and don’t eat pork. A good American does not live by the Quran, a good Muslim does. Your Quran wants to kill all unbelievers, as they are infidels. I am proud to announce that I am an infidel, God help you to understand.
        If it wasn’t for Islam, we wouldn’t have a Muslim president constantly insulting the American Constitution and the American people. If you want Sharia Law, go to a Sharia Law country. The American people are for the most part happy, being happy may not be allowed in the Muslim culture. Just what will a jihadist do with 71 virgins? The imagined pleasure of 71 virgins is only of the body that god gave you, as you blow it away? The Muslim culture is composed of mental illness, government mixed with religion, Sharia Law to govern with cowardly hate and fear. There is no love for the Muslim culture. The 71 virgins will meet in the bowels of hell. Big surprise! ?

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 7:49 pm

          Bizarre

          You obviously have never read my frequent postings against Islam or are a duplicitous Mortimer plant.

          “you know so much about the Muslim culture, what an education we are getting from you.”

          That first sentence sounds suspiciously just like something morty or his Muslim neighbor would say.

          Mortimer
          Why does morty never dare insult Muhammad as I pointed out recently with his 6 names of MO?

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 7:51 pm

          morty hiding while his parrot poses as an eagle.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 8:27 pm

          Yep
          Misrepresenting my position to falsely discredit me just as a typical Muslim would also do. These are the same tactics of morty too.

          The buzzard is hoping for an easy meal by pretending to be an eagle.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 8:32 pm

          I wonder why Mortimer chose to respond after billybob’s excellent reply about mocking Muslims and confounding them with their own trickery with that distraction.

        • mortimer says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 11:06 pm

          Dear Eagle, Jay Boo posted a praise of Anders Breivik and another in favor of an updated Lebensborn program. His comments and paranoia are those of a neo-Nazi.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 5, 2016 at 11:29 pm

          Dear Mortimer
          I am hardly a neo Nazi
          What you describe as a praise was merely stating a factual bit of information that others are afraid to state at the risk of opportunistic dishonest commenters like yourself.

          You still have offered no evidence of support to back up your claims.
          Eagle sounds just like you so I conclude that you agree with yourself.

        • Mark Swan says

          Jun 6, 2016 at 9:25 am

          Jay Boo You have done plenty of good for this site, with your frank humor and quick whit—
          that we all should appreciate—

        • Jay Boo says

          Jun 6, 2016 at 10:42 am

          Thank you Mark

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 7, 2016 at 12:05 am

          eagle wrote:

          Jay Boo, you know so much about the Muslim culture, what an education we are getting from you. I understand you want to align yourself with the Muslim culture, however, you are in America..
          ………………………..

          Eagle, please reread Jay Boo’s comments. He could not be further from wanting to “align…with the Muslim culture”.

  5. Ted Tyler says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 1:32 pm

    People will hold onto their ideas that they have internalized and will fight to defend them. Then they will use confirmation bias to retain data that supports their ideas and reject data that contradicts their ideas. To that, add the problem of happy thought vs unhappy thought. Most people will prefer to retain the happy thought and reject the unhappy thought.

    Now move to the Salt Lake Tribune with “The Koran does not command violence against the non-believers.” Since the readers do not have a clue as to what is in the Koran, have never heard of the Hadith or the Sira, it is easy to slip that one by them. They have been told that Islam is a religion of peace and now they have confirmation. Happy, Happy, Happy. Tell people what they want to hear, whether it is true or not, and you will be applauded. Tell people what they don’t want to hear, even if it is true, and you will be damned.

  6. mortimer says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 1:32 pm

    Hello Peggy,

    From the “Reliance of the Traveller” (manual of Sharia law approved by Islam’s top university).

    “Duty to fight disbelievers.”

    “The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim”, Book O: Justice, Chapter O-9.0: Jihad, Reliance of the Traveller.

    Peggy, they lied to you.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Jun 6, 2016 at 4:49 am

      Hello Peggy,
      Yes, they iied to you.
      They are permitted to lie.
      “Permissible Lying” is section r8 in “Reliance of the Traveller”.
      “Reliance…” is available as a free download.

  7. Bear Tom says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    Why do Muslims follow such a twisted doctrine? In the first place they are governed by fear. They have the death penalty over their heads for apostasy (4:88-9). But there is more to answering this question, and this leads to a suggestion about how we can help them. In all my time amongst Muslims, apart from Imams, I have only met one Muslim person who knew the Koran and could talk about it with me with intelligence. Muslims do not know their Koran. In school they are taught to recite suras by heart in Arabic, and that is considered to be a “good education”, but apart from in Arabic speaking countries, few understand Arabic. Arabic is a compulsory subject in their schools, but the majority of them find it too difficult. They are told that they must learn Arabic because the Koran can only be properly understood in the original language, which is a lie. The Koran is available in most languages in the world. One may lose the supposed poetry in the original but, if the translation is faithful, the meaning will still be clear.
    Many are afraid to read the Koran in their own language because it means admitting they can’t read it in Arabic. They prefer to remain in ignorance about what is in their book. But they will fight and kill to defend this thing they do not know!! They are taught to accept blindly what they are told, and not to ask questions (5:101).
    What to do then? Tell them to read the Koran!! Challenge them to read their book. The beginning of understanding comes through knowledge. If they read the Koran in their own language they will see for themselves the truth that is kept hidden from them.
    Many conversions from Islam come through finding out the truth of what is written in the Koran. The men who run off to fight with ISIS know what is in the Koran, and they make the decision to follow it literally. The grand leader of ISIS is considered by his peers and university professors to be one of the most educated people in the whole world about Islam. He knows what is in the Koran and chooses to follow it religiously. By the actions of these people we see what is in the Koran. They are the real Muslims following their book and prophet to the letter. Every one of their stupefyingly violent actions they justify with quotations from their holy texts. It’s all in their holy books: Mutilation, scourging, amputation, decapitation, burning to death, drowning, crucifixion and rape – it’s all there.
    The point of getting people to read the Koran is to educate them. Those under the power of the Devil will feel obliged to follow the advice of the book and start fighting to promote Islam. For the Koran says that the real Muslim, the true believer, is he who slays and is slain for Islam (9: 111). Those not under the power of the Devil will reject it with disgust and leave Islam, as many are doing.
    Save souls. Encourage the reading of the Koran. Start with yourself so you know what you are talking about. Love must be sincere, says Saint Paul. Hold on to what is good but hate the evil.

    • abad says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 7:35 pm

      Fear is right.

      I just finished reading a report of how ISL is now killing its own members for fear of spies being in their midst.

      Fear, Psychosis, Schizophrenia.

      The best shrinks of the 20th and 21st centuries would have a field day with Islam…..

    • Michael Copeland says

      Jun 6, 2016 at 4:58 am

      “Ninety per cent of muslims know absolutely nothing about the Koran”,
      I. Q. al Rassooli
      Yes, read the Koran.
      Useful tip: start with Chapter 9. This, the “Sura at Tawba” cited by the killer of Lee Rigby, overrides and “abrogates” ALL the peaceful verses elsewhere in the Koran.
      How come?
      The Koran is not arranged in date order: Chapter 9 is the LATEST complete chapter.
      That is what endows it with abrogating effect.

  8. Jack Diamond says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 1:46 pm

    and while lying about the Qur’an he wouldn’t bother mentioning the Sunnah of Muhammad, the hadith all the practices of Islam are based on, because the same Qur’an commands Muslims to obey Muhammad. A Muslim submits to the judgments and ways of Muhammad by the record of his life and sayings, by the authority of the hadith. Which merely would confirm that “what most Americans think they know about Islam’s holy book” is correct. What kind of newspaper would print such shit propaganda by this incredulous fly-eyed-wonder-before-a real-life-imam Peggy Fletcher Stack, without the slightest reservation or counterpoint from someone remotely in the know, in the year 2016?

  9. Guest says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    Bull

  10. Guest says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    The advertising page of The Salt Lake Tribune provides telling clues about the motivations of Peggy’s editor and the reason for Peggy’s refusal to think clearly about Islam:

    “REACHING UPSCALE CONSUMERS

    61% of Sltrib.com visitors have household incomes of $75,000+
    36% are age 18-34
    67% are white collar workers
    78% are homeowners
    84% are college educated”

    Of most interest should be the figures for white collar workers and the “college educated”

    See http://www.sltrib.com/info/advertise/

  11. Christianblood says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    (Salt Lake Tribune: Qur’an doesn’t command violence against nonbelievers)

    Traitorous Westen elites intentionally spread misinformation, propaganda, falsification and deception to support and show great favor to the islamic cult of death and its fanatical followers.

    • mortimer says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 4:02 pm

      Peggy Fletcher Stack and her editor at the Salt Lake Tribune are naïve Pollyannas.

      They got everything backwards: jihad-terrorism is not supported by a tiny minority of Muslims, but by the majority; Islam is not a religion of peace, but of warfare against disbelievers; Islam is not pluralistic, but supremacist.

      • Jay Boo says

        Jun 5, 2016 at 6:27 pm

        Wow
        Mortimer says here unambiguously.

        “They got everything backwards: jihad-terrorism is not supported by a tiny minority of Muslims, but by the majority”

        This from the contradictory position of previously sometimes claiming that Muslims have secret thoughts against Islam when attempting to peddle the simplistic wishful thinking deprogramming meme.

  12. LR says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 2:03 pm

    Well, if what these Muslims say is true…

    Why tell us Americans? Educate your own then, so they will stop the evil madness of ISIL, stop FGM, stop honour killing, apostate killing, Christian persecution, Jew hatred etc.

    • Keys says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 3:05 pm

      Right on, LR. Educate your own, indeed, but they will need different basic texts.

      Apparently, the Muslims have a poor catechetical program in their Madrasas throughout the world and throughout the centuries, because millions of their students just did not get the religion of peace, religion of compassion, religion of non-compulsion teachings down pat.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 7, 2016 at 12:08 am

      True–this “Islam is a religion of peace” is always aimed at Infidels–never at the violent members of that supposed religion of peace…

  13. billybob says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    “The problem with many Muslims today,” Din says, is that they see the Quran as a “blessed book and rewarding but not as personally life-changing or used to better society.”…

    Of course not. It isn’t. It can’t.

  14. Charli Main says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 2:43 pm

    Relax Peggy. Your cheque, from the Saudi Embassy is on the way. You practice taqqiya so well, you could even be a Muslim

  15. David says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    Those muslim Satan worshipers first learned to LIE from the expert himself.
    Read your Bible! The Father of lies is none other then the god that Muslims worship!!!
    I’ve NEVER got any TRUTH from the mouth of a muslim in my entire life!

  16. ECAW says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 3:42 pm

    Just posted this on the Salt Lake Tribune:

    “It is disingenuous to say that the Koran does not tell Muslims to launch jihad against their enemies…at least not without interpretive biases.

    In the Koran Mohammed’s followers were indeed called on to launch jihad on Mohammed’s enemies specifically in 7th century Arabia. The trouble is that the “interpretive bias” which generalises that command to wage jihad on all unbelievers everywhere and forever until the whole world is under Islam is not an “interpretive bias” at all. It is the mainstream interpretation to be found in the Hadiths, the Sira (ie biographies of Mohammed), the great medieval commentaries and the Sharia.

    Muslims know that there is more to Islam than the Koran. Non-Muslims must inform themselves about what really constitutes orthodox Islamic teachings in order to avoid being deceived.”

    This article is an example of why I say that it is not worth trying to claim that the Koran mandates global, eternal jihad. It doesn’t. We need get the point across that the global supremacism comes from the Koran only as viewed though the later Islamic scriptures.

    • Wellington says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 5:44 pm

      ECAW: I would contend that just because the Koran does not EXPLICITLY state that its violent, control-freak, murderous verses (and they’re all over the place) are for all time does not at all mean that they aren’t. Backing all this up are all the supporting Muslim shit found in the hadiths, sira and rulings by all the major schools of Islamic theology, both Sunni and Shiite, to this very day. Further confirming that said verses ARE for all time are all the God-damn Islamic terrorist organizations acting to this very day as though such verses are for all time. And against this is you saying, well, there’s nothing EXPLICIT saying these disgusting verses are forever. See the problem?

      I know you mean well. And in high theory land (and yes, what you proffer is high theory because the REALITY is completely contra what you assert) you have an abstract and arid point but, respectfully, I see arguments such as yours as accommodating evil, even though this is not your intention.

      Don’t try to save Islam. It’s not worth saving. There’s no good in it that cant be found elsewhere and yet there is much evil in it which is hard to find anywhere else. Give up the ghost, ECAW.

      • Charli Main says

        Jun 6, 2016 at 1:59 am

        Some would have us believe that Nazism and Adolph Hitler´s rantings in Mien Khamph were only applicable to 1930´s Germany and the prevailing social structure of Europe at the time.

        In no way did Hitler intend his words and actions to be a model for all future Nazis through all time.

      • ECAW says

        Jun 6, 2016 at 2:56 am

        Wellington – The fact that you think that I wish to save Islam shows that you have misunderstood my position. I do not wish to save Islam. I wish to see it destroyed. Tactically, that requires convincing non-Muslims that Islam is implacably supremacist. But that is impossible if you tell them there is something in the Koran which they can easily see isn’t there. That merely confirms them in the view which they wish to hold and leaves them comfortable in dismissing our larger claim of Islam’s inherent supremacism.

        There is no need for you to tell me about the interpretations of the hadiths, sira, terrorist organisations etc. I know them very well and accept that they represent the Islam we have to confront.

        How the local wars of a brutal prophet/warlord got turned into a global, eternal mission is a murky area. I have recently started reading Robert Spencer’s “Did Muhammed Exist” in hopes of gaining some clarity. My starting position is to suspect that a similar process of inflating the shadowy, provincial figure of Mohammed for the political ends of later Arab imperialists applies to the Koran as well.

        As for giving it up, there is no chance of that until I discover a convincing refutation or someone else provides one, which they haven’t so far. I am encouraged in this by the dedication in Spencer’s book “Dedicated to all those who do not fear to go wherever the truth may lead them”. At present the truth I see is different from the one you see.

        • Mark Swan says

          Jun 6, 2016 at 10:30 am

          A picture is worth a thousand words—

          Look at what is going on with Islamic Jihad—are there many Imams who
          condemn Jihad—it is what they perceive from the pitiful writings that matters.

  17. Champ says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    The unholy quran is replete with violent texts against non-muslims.

    Just more to hate about evil islam …

    “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.” — Romans 12:9

    The Good Shepherd, that is:

    Question: “What did Jesus mean when He said ‘I am the good Shepherd’?”

    Answer: “I am the good shepherd” (John 10:11) is the fourth of seven “I am” declarations of Jesus recorded only in John’s Gospel. These “I am” proclamations point to His unique, divine identity and purpose. Immediately after declaring that He is “the door” in John 10:7, Jesus declares “I am the good shepherd.” He describes Himself as not only “the shepherd” but the “good shepherd.” What does this mean?

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Good-Shepherd.html

  18. CogitoErgoSum says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    Such articles never bring up the subject of abrogation and how it applies to understanding the Quran. It’s one of those “interpretive” things too difficult for the writer to explain …. so why go into it? I doubt if even some of the Muslims quoted in the article know about it or can explain it.

  19. Pete says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    I frankly do not understand, why we still have such complicated disucssion about obvious facts. Quran is not peaceful book – it contains many horrible verses. Here argument will come that old testament also contains horrible verses. That is true. However you have far more muslims in the world, who are willing to fulfil those horrible passages in practical life, you will hardly find christian willing to do the things from old testament. The difference is that christians do have still second testament, which is basically just basic rules of peaceful behaviour – non-conflicting behaviour in life. I think this discussion is really becoming boring a bit- there is clear fascist movement in islam, which is quite strong and should be silenced primarily by muslims themselves. If they will not do that it is clear other nations will do that later on…… and not necessarily western liberal democracies – I think China or Russia is also fed up with this islamic fascism movement. So it is basically in the interrest of muslims to fight against this nonsense in their own societies. Against governments which are promoting such values and systems etc. I appreciate all the efforts jihadwatch is bringing into this discussion. In my opinion many people are still in denial of this problem of fascism in islam even though it is crystal clear to anybody sane that it exists. And it cannot be solved by denying this fact.

    • Mark Swan says

      Jun 6, 2016 at 11:17 am

      You are Right Pete—if they want to compare descriptive examples to prescriptive examples
      they are wasting everyone’s time-aren’t they.

  20. jura says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    https://www.rt.com/news/345468-kazakhstan-shooting-hostages-attacks/
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-kazakhstan-extremists-shooting-idUSKCN0YR0IX

  21. Troybeam says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    Every article written about Islam like the one here in Ohio is a complete lie to the general public. These articles are meant to be non threatening to the general public as to draw in followers. What these articles fail to mention is Sharia Law and how it impacts a woman’s life in Islam as well as this fact, everything good mentioned in the Koran about equal, sharing etc. is voided and null as you read towards the end of the Koran addressing the woman’s worth less than cattle and not worth the dirt they walk on.

    These groups are dangerous to our society, our culture and our history, Islam needs to be addressed quickly in our nation and removed from the religious status to that of a theocracy so it can be removed from our nation as threat to our legal system and nation as a whole.

  22. citycat says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    There are Godless ones that know the Qur’an more than most Muslims.
    And with that little bit of info it then came to me this evening, subconscious problem solving over decades.
    A major move to dispresence the influence from the Qur’an via Muslims, withous the use of any violence whatsoever upon any person.
    The reason that it cannot be written here is symptomatic of a weakness, in Infidel lands, which will prevent this move from working.

  23. Wellington says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    No other religion has to profess its innocence and its innocuousness again and again and again in the face of so much evidence to the contrary (e.g., over 28,000 Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide just since 9/11, never mind the destructive record of Islam in past centuries, for instance its barbaric actions in the subcontinent of India). This in and of itself speaks volumes about the “uniqueness” of the hideous faith, the enormous burden to mankind, which is Islam.

    So, enough with the tedious (and often deceitful) parsing of Koranic passages. It’s gotten sickening. Long ago it has.

    • Ted Tyler says

      Jun 5, 2016 at 6:31 pm

      Excellent point! Islam is the only religion that must continuously proclaim how peaceful it is. That in itself is very telling.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 7, 2016 at 12:11 am

      So true, Wellington.

      • Mark Swan says

        Jun 7, 2016 at 8:14 am

        Absolutely—enough

  24. Angemon says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    Answers: Nowhere — at least not without interpretive biases.

    Great – now you just need to convince all the classic and current islamic scholars who interpret the quran in light of the sirah and ahadith. You know, those two other sources of islamic orthodoxy that you conveniently left out.

  25. Concerned Indian says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    There are always some apologists who keep re-interpreting everything that’s not right.The oft repeated sentence is–to you your religion to me mine- also is used to win trust only to be betrayed.Here in India they tell us – years ago we were Hindus.Some even try to win our trust by claiming–Prophet’s forefathers were Hindus.
    At times I wonder whether people are gullible to believe or they have an interest in believing lies.

  26. Mach1Duck says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    Islamic law is derived from the Qur’an and Sunna as defined by orthodox schools and jurists of the law; Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i and Hanabali. From the earliest Islamic authorities to contemporary Muslim jurist, a rule of law exist that, when the capability exist, the Muslim is required to perform jihad against the non-Muslim; the term jihad means “war against non-Muslims to establish religion.”
    Extremists rely on this legal definition of jihad to justify attacks against non-Muslims, and as Hani Siba’i states, “In Islam there is no such thing as civilians.”

  27. Edward says

    Jun 5, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    “The problem with many Muslims today,” Din says, is that they see the Quran as a “blessed book and rewarding but not as personally life-changing or used to better society.” – Shuaib Din, imam at the Utah Islamic Center

    At least this imam reveals the holy books’ short comings. I’m beginning to believe that the Muslim’s in Utah are NOT reading the jihadist version. Is there a tamer version of the koran that paints muhammad as a gentler prophet that is known? You know the version that Pope Francis, Kings, Liberals and politicians read. Oh yeah, I forgot Hillary too! Ha!

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Jun 6, 2016 at 12:06 am

      I think the Quran actually should be divided into two sections similar to the way the Bible is divided into Old Testament and New Testament. The first portion of the Quran should contain only the Meccan verses and the second portion should contain only the Medinan verses and all the verses should be put in chronological order as near as possible. The verses that were abrogated by later verses should also be highlighted in bright red with a cross reference to the related abrogating verse.

      The Quran as it is now is not put together in any sort of chronological order. It’s mainly organized by chapter length with the longer chapters first and the shorter chapters last. This was done to make it easier for people to memorize the entire Quran but it also makes it harder for people to understand what was going on in Muhammad’s mind over the 20 years of his “revelations.” When people did not accept Muhammad’s initial meekness and tolerance he became increasingly embittered. His “revelations” became more and more harsh with some of the later intolerant verses contradicting the earlier tolerant verses. Some of the later ones cancelled out the earlier ones.

      This all pertains to the concept of abrogation and Islamic scholars were the first to come up with this idea to help explain to themselves the contradictions in the Quran. This newspaper should do a follow-up story explaining all this to its readers but I have no doubt that it won’t due to the fear of being called Islamophobic if it did so, even though the concept of abrogation was developed by Islamic scholars. The lack of knowledge concerning abrogation also helps explain the confusion of people like Obama, Cameron, Merkel and the Pope in their understanding (or misunderstanding) of the Quran.

      • Michael Copeland says

        Jun 6, 2016 at 6:49 am

        The Koran at a Glance is very useful.
        It has different colours distinguishing peaceful and violentnt passages.
        http://www.koran-at-a-glance.com/

        Bill Warner has made An Abridged Koran.
        It is available as a book and a free download:
        https://www.politicalislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/PDF-Look-Inside/An_Abridged_Koran_look_inside.pdf

        • Keys says

          Jun 6, 2016 at 8:55 am

          Thank you for the links, Michael Copeland.

    • Jay Boo says

      Jun 6, 2016 at 12:18 am

      I agree with C.E.S.
      Would it work for a publisher though?
      The lack of copyright might affect later profits, but given how many more people are now up to speed on Islam and the pent up desire for such a book, it might sell in the millions at a good enough price to make a publisher very interested to publish an initial run before competitors leap in to copy and scavenge the market.

  28. gravenimage says

    Jun 6, 2016 at 12:13 am

    Salt Lake Tribune: Qur’an doesn’t command violence against nonbelievers
    ………………………….

    Is this religion writer Peggy Fletcher Stack’s stupidity, or did she get it spoon-fed to her by Imam Shuaib Din?

    Stack has written apologia for Muslims before, including this puff piece about a Muslimah who started wearing Hijab right after 9/11:

    “Worried Utah Muslim asks: ‘Do I remove my headscarf?’”

    http://www.sltrib.com/news/3277823-155/worried-utah-muslim-asks-do-i

    Imam Din is your standard Taqiyya artist from everything I’ve read about him, saying at one time–laughably–that Islam is “the first religion to introduce religious tolerance”.

  29. isabella van der westhuizen says

    Jun 6, 2016 at 1:36 am

    Well it says you must clean yourself with water after a number 2 not with paper
    Sounds very progressive to me

  30. Bear Tom says

    Jun 6, 2016 at 1:47 am

    CES and Jay Boo, a book of this kind is essential to combat Islam, and many of this type have been published to explain the convoluted nature of this sect. Our Robert, Mark Durie and many other warriors are doing just that. In a sane society reading of their books would be compulsory in schools.
    I ask, but why is the Koran not effaced from the earth? It is a manual of hatred and death, with a God who hates and kills. It must be diabolically supported to have such influence..

  31. JUSTICEFORALL says

    Jun 6, 2016 at 2:20 am

    THIS IS NOT TRUE! I READ THE KORAN (AS WELL AS ALL THE MAIN RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD) WHEN I WAS A TEEN. ALTHOUGH MOST RELIGIONS’ BIBLES TEACH THINGS SIMILAR TO THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, THE KORAN WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT (IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY) SAID IN 109 PLACES TO KILL AND TO DO IT FOR ONE REASON – THE OTHER PERSON WAS NOT OF THEIR RELIGION! IT TALKED ABOUT “SMITING WITH THE SWORD” AND “CUTTING” THEIR THROAT OR NECK! A RELIGION THAT TELLS THEIR FOLLOWERS TO KILL OTHERS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT OF YOUR RELIGION IS “NOT A RELIGION OF PEACE” BUT JUST THE OPPOSITE!

  32. Davegreybeard says

    Jun 6, 2016 at 2:34 am

    @CogitoErgoSum
    “This all pertains to the concept of abrogation and Islamic scholars were the first to come up with this idea to help explain to themselves the contradictions in the Quran.”

    Please educate yourselves, Infidels!

    “Abrogation” in the Quran was not invented by “Islamic scholars,” it was “revealed” by Allah himself when he says in 2:106:

    “We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?”

    This was “revealed” to Muhammad in Sura 2, when he first took up residence in Medina. Muhammad was faced with the problem of how to justify the violence visited upon “Unbelievers” to separate them from their cash – since earlier Allah had counseled in 86:17:

    “So give a respite to the disbelievers. Deal thou gently with them for a while.”

    So 2:106 is Allah telling the “Believers” that “for a while” was now over and it was time to begin the killing of Infidels. This killing is in fact commanded in this very same Sura. .

    Allah makes it all perfectly clear – no “Islamic scholars” needed.

    41:30 “A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail…”
    11:1 “[This is] a Book whose verses are perfected and then presented in detail from [one who is] Wise and Acquainted.”
    6:114 “”Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?” And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.”

    Knowest thou not Infidel, that the Quran is indeed “a book maid plain?”

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Jun 6, 2016 at 10:30 am

      Davey, you are right. Allah does talk about replacing some verses with others that are better but for some reason Allah never got around to specifying exactly which verses he wanted replaced and forgotten. So when people wrote the verses down and later somebody put them all together into a book the abrogated verses got mixed in with the replacement verses. Now the scholars can’t agree upon which verses were abrogated and which were not. They can’t even agree upon whether a new verse abrogates the old or the old abrogates the new. That’s how “plain” things are.

      So why didn’t Allah just present Muhammad with a book already printed and with footnotes and a glossary and appendix so everything would be perfectly clear? I admit I’m not smart enough to figure that one out but it sure seems incompetent to me to just dribble out parts of your book over a period of 20 years or more and then let imperfect human beings put it all together in mixed-up form along with the parts you decided needed improvement. Some god!!! It should be obvious that Islam is one crazy, mixed-up and utterly insane religion based on the thoughts and personal desires of a one, crazy, mixed-up and utterly insane man.

      So, yes, I do need to educate myself some more to be able to understand things, Davy. But then so do a whole lot of other people.

      • Ted Tyler says

        Jun 6, 2016 at 10:59 am

        “It should be obvious that Islam is one crazy, mixed-up and utterly insane religion based on the thoughts and personal desires of a one, crazy, mixed-up and utterly insane man”

        Excellent summary. However, I would replace “man” with “desert warlord”.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 7, 2016 at 12:23 am

      Excellent post, Dave.

      • Mark Swan says

        Jun 7, 2016 at 8:52 am

        Yes Davegreybeard, thankYou

  33. Michael Copeland says

    Jun 6, 2016 at 5:03 am

    Memo for Peggy Fletcher Stack:
    The Old Testament is not part of US law.
    The Koran – all of it – is part of Islamic law, with the death penalty for denying any verse.

  34. duh swami says

    Jun 6, 2016 at 7:14 am

    When you can’t think of anything good to say about Islam,, lie about it,i…the unwashed and uneducated will believe you…

  35. Purushottam Deshmukh says

    Jun 6, 2016 at 10:07 am

    It is really shocking to see Muslims & Muslim-Fearing non-Muslims depicting Islam as a faith of peace. Islam stands for submission one’s will to Allah. How can submission of will draw forth tranquillity? A child is born but it is helpless. However, in the course of time, it begins to manifest its willpower. This is Mother Nature’s extraordinary gift to man to let him overcome all difficulties without harming anyone. Willpower is a divine force through which divinity makes one to realize his spiritual and material goals. It is through neat and clean understanding of willpower one begins to realize the purpose and deeper issues of life. But when someone’s faith is forcing him to completely submit his will to that which doesn’t exist, what horror shall befall him? It may be one of the many causes that Muslims are abnormally envious of those who individually live life to the full.

  36. Carolyne says

    Jun 6, 2016 at 11:21 am

    I have often found it humorous that many religions rely on an “Angel’s” dictation for their tenets. Joseph Smith had the angel Moroni. I don’t know Mohammed’s angel’s name, but it was he who supposedly dictated the Book of Mormon. Wasn’t it an angel who warned of the coming downfall of Sodom and morrah? And didn’t an angel tell Kot to give his daughters up to be gang raped?

    How do creatures who look like men but with feathered wings dictate these orders? “Take a letter……”

    • Carolyne says

      Jun 6, 2016 at 11:25 am

      A couple of corrections. It was Moroni who dictated to Joseph Smith the book of Mormon. And Mohammed’s angel dictated the Koran to him. I don’t know that angel’s name. Lot was warned of the downfall of Sodom and Gomorrah by angels. My new keyboard is stiff. Pardon the errors.

      • Carol says

        Jun 7, 2016 at 12:34 am

        Actually, Carolyne, God sent the angels to get Lot out of Sodom and Gomorrah due to the outcry against its sin. The angels showed up, Lot offered hospitality to them. After getting ready for bed all of the men of the city surrounded the house and wanted to have sex with the angels. Lot offered his daughters to them. But the angels pulled them inside and struck the men with blindness since they were getting pretty rowdy. They then rescued the family since God was going to rain fire and brimstone on the city. So, no, not the angels but Lot offered his daughters. You can find this in Genesis 19: 1-26. And it is God who gives the orders not the angels. Thanks

        • Mark Swan says

          Jun 7, 2016 at 8:49 am

          Thank You Carol—I liked You comment, and would like to add this—

          The Name Angel is one of magnificence, and should be used in deep respect and honor to Them and the God whom They serve…diligently… Angels were created by fiat to be Ministering Spirit Beings to the eventual Human Beings…They are Holy…which means set apart for God’s purpose.

          Angels, higher than Man is now, are the Ministering Spirit Servants of God in the Administration of His universe-ruling Government. And in relation to Man, Angels are ministering spirits, sent to minister to the Heirs. (Heb. 1:14) , (Rom. 8:17) , (Gal. 4:6-7) , (Heb.2:5-8).

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 7, 2016 at 12:25 am

      Muhammed’s Angel was Gabriel–really, the Muslim “Jibreel”. Ugly stuff.

  37. Davegreybeard says

    Jun 6, 2016 at 2:01 pm

    @CogitoErgoSum
    “Now the scholars can’t agree upon which verses were abrogated and which were not”

    There is consensus, in a broad sense, among Islamic scholars that the later (and more violent) verses in the Quran abrogate the earlier ones – enough so that an Infidel may confidently promulgate this without getting bogged down in the minutiae of Islamic doctrine.

    A handy Infidel’s guide to Quranic abrogation (and also the chronological order of suras) may found on the net at “Koran at a glance.”

    The Quran and Islam become much more understandable, and logical, if you follow the events in Muhammad’s life and match them up with “Revelations” he received from Allah regarding that event. This is done by following the “Sirat Rasul Allah” concurrently with the Quran, thus putting the Quran in context and chronological order.

    A repeated pattern quickly emerges wherein Muhammad will get himself into some sort of jam and then Allah will conveniently provide a “Revelation” to get him out of it.
    One example of this is when Muslims murdered their very first Infidel. The murder occurred during the sacred month of Rajab when, by time honored tradition amongst all the Arab tribes, fighting and killing was prohibited. Muhammad’s thugs had committed a huge social gaff and Muhammad knew it – so much so that at first (as chronicled in the Sira) he would have nothing to do with his share of the booty.

    But then Allah came through with 2:217

    “They question thee (O Muhammad) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression), but to turn (men) from the way of Allah, and to disbelieve in Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people thence, is a greater with Allah; for persecution is worse than killing.”

    The Sira has very similar language regarding this event and states that “Seduction” (of a Muslim away from Islam) is worse than killing.

    From this we have the Islamic tenet that for an Infidel to even suggest that a Muslim question his faith it is “persecution” and grounds for killing that Infidel.

    This pattern (of Allah saving Muhammad’s ass) occurs so often that some Infidels have come to the conclusion that Muhammad was just making it up as he went along.

    Happy studying, Cogito!

    • ECAW says

      Jun 6, 2016 at 2:20 pm

      And here is the relevant bit of the Sirat Rasoul Allah in a handy abridged version:

      http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sira/12.htm

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 7, 2016 at 12:25 am

      Another good post.

  38. denis says

    Jun 6, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    According to Bill Warner’s blog “Political Islam” between the Koran, the Hadiths and the book the Suna – the life of Mohammed the words kill, slay. torture. punish. whip. rap, cut of heads, strike necks, unbelievers and other words that tell followers of Islam to preform these acts of violence on the kafir. They are urged to do HIJRA , immigrate to other countries and breed like wild animals to overcome the native population so Islam will rule, . This is happening in Europe today. If anyone ever reads the Koran you will find that it is a book that urges violence against non believers. Islam preaches HATE and where ever Islam raises its ugly head POVERTY AND DESPAIR follow.

    • Ted Tyler says

      Jun 6, 2016 at 9:48 pm

      True Denis. It is the lesson of History. A lesson that too few people are aware of. And a lesson that too many people refuse to acknowledge.

    • eagle says

      Jun 7, 2016 at 10:38 am

      Denis, I think you are exactly right. It is a wonder to me how people can live inside a little bubble and not care if the Muslim culture sweeps across America as they are doing in Europe. Our founding fathers warned us, we must protect the constitution or this would happen here in America. Look around the America, it is happening here and Satin Obama is leading the charge. Obama is a Muslim suck-up, destroying America. Obama has the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR in his support. The State Department feels they have to warn Americans about the threat of the Muslim holidays, like here comes another storm and we all need to shelter in place. I say get this pig excrement out of the country. The American people need to pass legislation that will effectively remove this Muslim Culture out of this country. This could start by passing a bill that prevents a Muslim from holding any position within the American government. The Muslim people have their own government within their religion of peace. They are clearly the enemy of the American people; all welfare should be cut off to the Muslims. Anyone supporting the Muslim culture will be charged with treason and jailed. This would be a good beginning and a good day for the American people. The American people are governed by the constitutional law and no other. For the American people and by the American people not Sharia Law. Finally, the American people will have their country back. God bless America, the Ten Commandments and the Constitution of the United States.

  39. steve brown says

    Jun 8, 2016 at 12:21 am

    Jihad has ****INFILTRATED**** the editors office of the Salt Lake Tribune.http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

  40. Heather says

    Jun 8, 2016 at 9:45 am

    Mosab Hasan Yousef, son of Hamas Leader, says Mohamad is a gangster and Islam has a split personality, is an idealogy of torture and death.
    His YouTubes should be shown to all muslims. He would know the truth about Islam.
    The koran is a licence to kill, rape, torture, destroy.The book of the devil.
    Why any sane woman would cover her hair is beyond me. There are a lot of stupid people in the world.

    • Concerned Indian says

      Jun 8, 2016 at 9:51 am

      I know.Yet,there are many in the West converting to Islam especially women.I wonder what’s the attraction?

  41. JUSTICEFORALL says

    Jun 13, 2016 at 12:28 am

    YOU NEED TO READ THE KORAN (IT IS NOT THAT LONG) AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IT SAYS IN 109 PLACES TO KILL OTHERS FOR “ONE REASON” – THEY ARE NOT YOUR RELIGION! IT TELLS THEM TO “SMITE THEM WITH THE SWORD” AND CUT THEIR THROAT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT EVEN SAYS THEY CAN MURDER THEIR WIFE AND KIDS IF THE FORMER DISOBEY THE HUSBAND/FATHER. HOW CAN THEY LIVE AMONGST OTHER PEOPLE WITH THOSE BELIEFS?

    • eagle says

      Jun 13, 2016 at 8:50 am

      After Obama leaves, we need to have congress move on S.2230: Muslim Brotherhood Terrorist Designation Act of 2015 and HB0461.

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