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Strict gun control didn’t stop jihadists from gathering weapons near German mosque

Jun 30, 2016 5:59 pm By Christine Douglass-Williams

Police seized a “war grade weapons” arsenal near a mosque in the German state of Nordrhein-Westfalen. Local politician Ismail Tipi said the discovery “confirms his feelings that these fundamentalist Salafists groups are ready to use violence against the civilian population.”

Germany has ultra-strict gun control laws, which did not prevent Islamic jihadists from obtaining a massive cache of war-grade weapons. Aiming to disarm law-abiding Americans via more gun control legislation is farcical in the face of a jihadist war against America – and, in fact, the West in general. The more the Obama Administration and Western cowards waste time in denying this war, the more time the Islamic State, al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood et al have to plan their multi-level launches of jihad attacks and subversive incursions.

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“European-style Gun Control Didn’t Stop Islamists From Gathering Weapons Near This German Mosque”, by Matt Vespa, Townhall, June 29, 2016:

A German police raid found what is believed to be a “war grade weapons” cache near a mosque in the state of Nordrhein-Westfalen (North Rhine Westphalia). The arsenal belonged to a group of Islamic extremists. The UK’s Expresswrote that Germany has seen a spike in radical Islamists, and that the findings of this raid raised the concerns of Ismail Tipi, a German member of parliament, who says that it only confirms his feelings that these fundamentalist Salafists groups are ready to use violence against the civilian population:

Local politician Ismail Tipi revealed details of the raid and warned of “the danger of fundamentalists”.

Germany has seen sharp increases in the number of ultra-conservative Islamists known as Salafists in recent years, with the total number of sympathisers now seen at 8,900, up from 7,000 at the end of 2014, German officials said.

He said: “According to my information, a weapons arsenal with war grade weapons was found in this search.

“The danger of fundamentalist Salafists who are ready to use violence arming themselves in Germany is very large. This secret raid finding this weapons cache makes this more than clear.”

So, while Congressional Democrats wage war on Capitol Hill over passing more gun control to stop terrorism, which is absurd—let’s revisit the nation’s gun laws. To no one’s surprise, Germany has very strict gun control laws. There’s no constitutional right to bear arms, so the government can pass intrusive enforcement measures to ensure compliance, one of which is pretty much warrantless searches to make sure citizens are following safe storage regulations (via Library of Congress):

Germany has one of the most stringent gun control laws in the world. The current Weapons Act deals with guns suitable for private ownership. It contains a highly differentiated regime for licensing the acquisition, possession, and carrying of permitted weapons that restricts, according to criteria of need, the number and types of guns that can be owned or purchased, and has specific age restrictions for different types of weapons. The Act bans automatic firearms, regulates the production of and trade in weapons, and has reporting requirements that allow the tracing of every legally owned firearm, including those acquired through inheritance. Moreover, the Act contains stringent and enforceable requirements for the safe storage of guns. The Act is implemented by the administrative authorities of the states, except for the newly created National Weapons Register, which is a federal agency.

[…]

Germany categorizes firearms as either weapons of war or weapons suitable for civilian use. War weapons are listed in the War Weapons Act and cannot be circulated among the population.[48] Weapons that are potentially suitable for civilian use are governed by the Weapons Act and its prohibitions and restrictions.

The Weapons Act bans fully automated firearms. It also bans semiautomatic firearms that are not intended for hunting or sport shooting; pump-action shotguns with pistol grips or of a short overall length; firearms that are concealed in other objects; firearms that can be disassembled into unusually small parts; lasers, lights, projectors, and night-vision devices that can be mounted on the firearm to throw light on the target; and certain multiple-shot short arms in calibers under 6.3 millimeters, where the projectiles are not propelled solely by the priming charge.

[…]

Licensed gun owners are responsible for keeping their weapons under lock and key, and the law provides detailed specifications on the quality of the storage containers; these vary according to the potency of the weapons. Owners must inform the authorities of the safe-storage measures taken as well as allow the authorities to enter their dwellings for the purpose of monitoring compliance with safe-storage regulations.

It appears that such access must be granted without a search warrant, and, even though the German Constitution protects the privacy of the home, access cannot be refused if there is a threat of imminent danger. Random inspections, however, must be expected at any time and without any probable cause or suspicion. This increased right of the authorities to conduct inspections was enacted in 2009 in response to the Winnenden school shooting, and much has been said about the interpretation of this right….

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  1. jihad3tracker says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    THE BEST SHREDDING OF LEFTIST 2ND AMENDMENT PATHOLOGY I HAVE EVER HEARD —

    TEXAS CONGRESSMAN LOUIE GOHMERT DURING THAT DEMOCRAT TANTRUM ON THE HOUSE FLOOR LAST WEEK —-

    ” IF ORLANDO WAS ABOUT GUNS, THE BOSTON MARATHON WAS ABOUT PRESSURE COOKERS ! “

    • Keys says

      Jun 30, 2016 at 8:12 pm

      Thanks for that j3t! Perfect! Nothing but crickets after that.

      “IF ORLANDO WAS ABOUT GUNS, THE BOSTON MARATHON WAS ABOUT PRESSURE COOKERS ! “

      • Richard says

        Jul 1, 2016 at 5:24 am

        Only the clinically insane, or an American gun-nut, would think that more guns means less deaths. The guns mentioned were smuggled in through the same porous borders that allow Muslim ‘refugees’ and the ‘sans papiers’ in France to invade Western Europe. These sorts of military grade weapons are illegal in civilized societies. They remain illegal in Europe unlike the US where they seem to be a fashion accessory.

        Cocaine and other hard drugs are illegal in the US, but that does not stop them being smuggled across your borders. So is the solution to make importing cocaine legal?

        My country, Australia, successfully banned this sort of idiocy and the results, not just with the sort of mass murder that seems acceptable in the US, were a reduction in other gun related deaths via suicide, domestic murders and random criminal activity. To see the empirical evidence just look up Simon Chapman et. al. in the Journal of the American Medical Association, Published online June 22, 2016. doi:10.1001/jama.2016.8752. But of course you won’t. Facts are irrelevant to the hopelessly prejudiced.

        Mohamedism [AKA islam – lower case intended] is a vile medieval ideology. It needs to be defeated as an ideology with the same dedication applied to the Cold War. But Leninism/Stalinism only lasted from 1919-1989. 70 years.

        Against muslims the battle has been going on in the West [and India, Eurasia and China] for 1300 years. And you don’t win that sort of war by silly NRA propaganda whose only beneficiaries are arms manufacturers; and the buyers and sellers on the national and international gun trade – both legal and illegal.

        You guys obviously don’t understand the damage American gun-nut ideologues do to the fight against these barbarians by your allies in ‘other overseas countries like Canada’ [to quote one of the more recent pop philosophers on this topic].

        • WorkingClassPost says

          Jul 1, 2016 at 7:37 am

          Sounds reasonable, and can work in countries that don’t already have >300m guns in circulation.

          USA also has an established culture of gun ownership which is largely peaceful and responsible.

          But as more jihadis and pious muslims enter the country, they will need to start vetting owners as a matter of public safety.

          Of course they’ll get guns anyway, but that won’t be so easy, and at least then they will be committing a crime before they actually start killing folks.

        • Richard says

          Jul 1, 2016 at 7:56 am

          Fair enough And trying to reduce the damage that culture does in your country is something that I don’t have an answer too. My concern is that it doesn’t spread to my country, or other western counties that I love.

          My problem is that so many of the people that post to this website conflate American gun culture with a defense of Western Civilization; and they are not the same thing at all. And that means that although I use this and similar sites for information I have to triple check everything before I can use it; and can never recommend it to those like me who are in sympathy with the overall aims.

          And that is sad.

        • KrazyKafir says

          Jul 1, 2016 at 10:10 am

          Are you saying anyone who believes that law abiding citizens have the right to bear arms under the second amendment are “gun nuts”?

        • WorkingClassPost says

          Jul 1, 2016 at 10:33 am

          Richard, I’m interested in what sites you would recommend.

          JW does exactly what it says on the tin, so there’s not much room for prevarication or uncertainty – you’re either in, or you’re out, or not yet sure.

          I’m from the UK, so no guns here either, but if I lived in America, I’d pop down to the range once in a while, for sure, even if I didn’t own a weapon.

          Some things just need to be done.

        • Dom1 says

          Jul 1, 2016 at 12:14 pm

          Yes I 100% agree with your comments. Stricter gun laws are about saving Americans from other Americans. The number killed by Jihadists are minuscule compared to the number killed by crime and domestic/workplace/college disputes and mentally ill/unbalanced people in the USA. Walking around with a gun in your pocket will not save you from Jihadists but will make it more difficult (although not impossible)for them to get hold of assault rifles etc. The stats say it very clearly 1.5 million Americans have been murdered by other Americans since 1950 which is more than all the wars fought by USA in its history.
          UK has comparatively strict gun laws but I would make them even stricter. The recent murder of a member of parliament was, I read, done with an illegal reactivated pistol and knife
          Deactivated pistols should be banned as they are easily reactivated. Samurai swords and combat knives seem to be a favourite of the nut jobs so ban them as well.
          Possessing deadly weapons doesn’t make you safe. It is an illusion and if it did the USA would be the safest country in the World and it is far from that !!
          America has a peculiar problem in the 2nd amendment which was written for a different age but intelligence government should change this. Its nothing to do with being a leftist or a liberal
          ITS GOT TO DO WITH COMMON SENSE AND USEING YOUR BRAIN.PLEASE TRY IT YOU WEAPON ADDICTS OVER THERE !!!!!!!

        • Keys says

          Jul 1, 2016 at 12:24 pm

          Richard says: “Only the clinically insane, or an American gun-nut, would think that more guns means less deaths.”

          This is a straw man argument in relation to my post, Richard. It does nothing to convince me to abolish the American constitutional right to bear arms. I want a right to protect myself and my family from harm.

          You likely grew up in a peaceful Australia, and you trust your government to keep it that way. Good for you; I truely hope you never have a need for guns/weapons to defend yourself, or to fight an armed enemy, or invader/occupier out to kill you.

          I am neither clinically insane, nor a gun nut. I am a Yank, though.

        • Yokel says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 6:08 am

          @ Dom1 (12:44)

          Do you therefore agree with the police big-wig who called a few years ago for the banning of pointed kitchen knives? “There is no reason” said the apparent masterchef “for kitchen knives to have points”. And when all of those are out of circulation, how about screwdrivers. Then ban abrasive wheels, sharpening files, sharpening stones, for they could sharpen anything.

          Tell us where would you stop in your campaign to avoid the individual mad or bad person from having responsibility for their own actions?

          @ Keys (12:24)

          Further info for Richard – the latest figures from the FBI show gun deaths declined over recent years as the number of guns increased!

        • Shane says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 10:38 am

          You are an intolerant twit and now you are defenseless when your muslims start slaughtering your own people. The jihad massacres will continue in most European countries besides France and the UK, and Germany is going to be hit very hard soon. Many Germans have recently bought guns because they know the muslims will soon be slaughtering the German infidels. We citizens of the USA need to be armed as our traitorous politicians keep bringing in muslim immigrants and refugees from muslim countries where jihad and sharia law are popular. Obama has so weakened our counter terrorism agents that they can do little to prevent more jihad attacks. We need our guns.

        • Western Canadian says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 4:22 pm

          Richard, you are an unspeakably ignorant, bigoted half wit and total ass. Gun crimes in the US have been dropping for decades….. EXCEPT in the cities where ignorant morons like you have been in power for the last 50 or so years…. If you remove the 12 most violent cites in the US from the total… The US murder rate drops so drastically, that is becomes one of the most peaceful lands on the planet. Seriously. Crime ridden hellholes (Chicago, for example), have districts with very little crime. And other districts that are third world in their vicious, backwards and hate filled crime rates. Take out the drug related crime, the gang related crime…. And the US is one of the safest countries on earth…

          And what is it about Chicago and another handful of cities, that make then so vile and bloody?? ‘Progressive’ thinkers in the democrat party, who have run the cities for decades. These forward looking (in their own eyes), superior minds (in their own eyes), political machines have effectively banned gun ownership for non-criminals, while doing NOTHING to shut down gangs that are much more often made up of blacks raised in single parent welfare homes…. They have been taught to blame ‘whitey’ for their own state, and do NOTHING to improve themselves…. The tax rates in these socialist/’progressive’ cites are so high, that they drive out business and private citizens… The schools are dedicated to teaching political correct drivel, and the assault rate on teachers is horrendous….

          Most of the US is very open, with friendly people who don’t give a damn about skin colour or where you came from… A huge percentage of them are armed, and are no threat to anyone, who does not chose to be a threat and a violent one, to them. And yes, more guns in the hands of noncriminals, DOES cut crime rates, and cuts them massively. And no amount of ignorance and dishonesty on your part, has any impact on that, at all.

          Oh, as an aside, the worst killing to take place in a US school wad done by an anarchist with a bomb, almost a century ago… and the FIRST mass killing by a gun on the North American continent, took place in my own peaceful country of CANADA!!!

          Until you educate yourself, STFU.

        • Mark Swan says

          Jul 3, 2016 at 2:43 am

          Western Canadian—thanks for being You.

          Richard—I can safely say, that one of the most important words in the world is respect

        • Mark Swan says

          Jul 3, 2016 at 4:38 am

          Do consider that We are a Nation of 324 Million People—with crime problems that
          are not being helped by the Democrats, who rely on certain regional political support.

          There are certainly many things this Country seems un-willing to Approach.

          Gun Violence is highly concentrated in urban and suburban areas and associated with gang violence involving male juveniles or young adult males… Although random mass shootings have been covered extensively in the media… random mass shootings account for a very small amount of gun-related deaths…so far…not even a percentage point.

          Blacks make up 13% of the population (both sexes) but commit 57% of gun homicides. It’s even worse since it’s more like 6.5% of the population (males) committing 57% of the gun homicides.

          The liberal Political Machine…along with media allies may want to Imply that more Gun Control can help with gun violence…but more laws won’t help…we have very strict laws already in place…just admitting that some sources have that inherent potential is a start…to guarding against potential violence.

          If We can not reign in these long standing criminal gangs they are still going to be a major source of Illegal Gun distribution and they will aid an abet any one with the funds…If we can not get a lid on this…WE WILL EVEN FIND FIGHTING JIHAD MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT WOULD NEED TO BE.

          We are not talking just about street people—these gangs are diversified in financial investment and social association they have embedded in business and politics and launder huge amounts of blood money into clean money everyone accepts.

          Estimated Number of Gangs in America

          2016 33,700 Known

          Distribution of Gangs by Area Type Percent

          Larger Cities 41.6%
          Suburban Counties 25.8%
          Smaller Cities 27.1%
          Rural Counties 5.5%

          Estimated Number of U.S. Gang Members

          2016 1.4 million Known

          The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,600 annually from 2007 to 2012.

          During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 16,500 gang related homicides across the United States—

          The U.S. is located just above South America—Mexico its nearest neighbor has over 3 times the murder rate as the U.S.—criminal organizations from South America are very
          active in the U.S. and account for homicides here, and many other crimes.

          These particular gang types come through Mexico, where the cartels rule the country.

          http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/

  2. common sense says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    A “spike in the number of radical Islamists”. In Germany? Really? How’d that happen? (Sarcasm).

    When the adherence to Islam in the political infrastructure of the Fatherland is complete there will be 10’s of thousands Jihadists ready to enforce Sharia and Islam as a whole. What a mess…….

  3. Don McKellar says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    OF COURSE STRICT GUN LAWS DON’T STOP JIHAD!

    Look at the gun laws all over Europe where there has been jihad! What are they like in France or Belgium? Or here in Canada where they have arrested many jihad plotters who all had guns? Did Canada’s gun laws stop the Canadian National War Memorial in Ottawa?

    If jihadis want guns, they’ll get guns. Guns are available in any country for enough money. Stricter gun laws won’t do a damn thing to stop jihad murders. They’ll use guns, they’ll use cars, they’ll use pressure cookers and on and on and on.

    Of course arguing for stricter gun laws is just yet another attempt to diffuse the conversation and try and shut down discussion about the real issue at hand: Islam and why it inspires these killers. This will change under President Trump.

  4. nicu says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    f*** NOrdrhein – Westfalen , again : the county with the most radical Muslims !

    We may not defend ourselves – not even have pepperspray , but Muslims are protected or the police ignores what they are doing !

  5. Warren Raymond says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    Open borders. There are thousands of trucks rolling all over Europe, many from Turkey and of course from Muslim Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo and Herzegovina. All of these places are well stocked with weapons, in Bulgaria, the Czech Republic and Romania it is quite easy to get guns, and the Muslims are everywhere.

    This is a recipe for disaster. An even bigger problem is that the EUro-dhimmies don’t know how to shoot, have a strong distaste for anything militaristic and rely for their protection on a police force that is stuffed with ageing government servants, women & Muslims.

    • Yokel says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 6:16 am

      And the biggest problem of all is that the governments are NOT on the side of their people. For just one example, have a close look at what the British state is attempting to do to Tommy Robinson. Some details appear on here, you will find more at TheRebel.media and GatesOfVienna.net .

  6. Jack Everett says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    With EU open borders a terrorist could easily bring in a gun from somewhere else.

  7. Bezelel says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    Owning a gun is not a license to kill. If you want a valid license to kill, you need to be in law enforcement or military and under the right circumstances or a civilian defending yours or someone elses life as governed by the Constitution.
    If you are muslim, the “right circumstances” as governed by sharia, It would be a much shorter list to just say who you cannot kill.
    This is not a good time to dis-arm.

  8. Keys says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    This cache was found “near a Mosque”. Maybe the Germans should check inside the Mosques.

    • Don McKellar says

      Jun 30, 2016 at 8:30 pm

      You mean sort of a follow the trail of breadcrumbs scenario? Nah, that would be Islamophobia. That kind of logic and fact-based thinking won’t happen until that witch Merkel is gone. It could be a long time. I hear she’s building a bunker.

    • Roy Peters says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 2:51 am

      The cache was purportedly found in a large cooler for vegetables.
      A commentator on a German forum suggested that the EU now is likely to pass a law that storing weapons in produce coolers is forbidden or that such coolers can not be built close to mosques.

  9. utis says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    My town, Chicago, has strict gun laws. We may not be the U.S murder capital, but we’re high in the competition. Every day I walk into my workplace and face a sign telling me I’m in a gun-free zone. Yeah. Sure. I’d like to bet zero on that.

  10. Idania says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    How come the governments wants to deny the real threat that Muslims are? Everything is so bizarre! So non-sensical, they are not ignorants, they know how many millions of people have been killed by Islam . They still are fed by the Qur’an, why will they be different? The world is in trouble because of the stupidity of the governments.

    • Andra says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 9:09 am

      It´s not stupidity. The “elites” think that muslims are easier to guide than us. The Christian and Jewish traditions have developed individuals that can think for themselves. And thinking people are dangerous for those in power. Therefor we have to be extinguished.

  11. Angemon says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    European-style Gun Control Didn’t Stop Islamists From Gathering Weapons Near This German Mosque

    And there’s a very good reason for that – criminals break the law. That’s why they’re, well, criminals.

    • Mark Swan says

      Jun 30, 2016 at 11:32 pm

      Every country has access to illegal weapons—criminal organizations turn huge profits in guns
      and ammunition.

    • Cecilia Ellis says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 8:08 am

      Angemon wrote: “And there’s a very good reason for that – criminals break the law. That’s why they’re, well, criminals.”

      Indeed! ?

  12. Ian H says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 9:08 pm

    Having strict gun control means finding a cache of weapons is sufficient reason to let you start arresting people. They will have arrested and charged someone in Germany over this, and also confiscated all the weapons. If the police in the US find a cache of weapons in/near a Mosque they may not be able to do anything because simply having a cache of weapons isn’t a crime. It probably wouldn’t even make the news. In the US the police have to wait until the weapons are used to commit a crime before they can act.

    Gun control isn’t a simple issue. There are some big disadvantages to doing things the way the US does.

    • Mark Swan says

      Jun 30, 2016 at 11:50 pm

      They may not be willing to search the Mosque because of Islamophobia,
      but any Illegal weapons or ammunition can get you real prison time,
      and will make the local news at least—it depends on the circumstance.

      American law is the Gold Standard for all Democracy any where.

      • Ian H says

        Jul 1, 2016 at 3:23 am

        The US is only marginally a democracy at all. You guys have a republic with the trappings of democracy but designed deliberately to dilute as much as possible the power of the electorate to effect real change. Could you conceive of any US vote having the same impact that the Brexit vote is going to have? Gold standard? – don’t make me laugh.

        • umbra says

          Jul 1, 2016 at 10:48 am

          Well, we shall all find out after November 8th, 2016.

        • Mark Swan says

          Jul 1, 2016 at 2:01 pm

          Ian, I do agree with you on your comments and feel the same way all to often.

          America exist for now and if it did not—the world would miss us.

          The American way of life is more than a catch phrase—do we have problems—You better believe we do—are we perfect—no—we are just Humans.

          There are those who would very much like to see the attributes of U.S. nationhood fade away. What they fear is the set of ideas that still makes the United States the most powerful nation on earth. For the ideas of America are a sign of contradiction to the way the rest of the world operates.

          The power of these American ideas to inspire people all over the globe creates an ongoing challenge to those who think the world should be organized on very different principles, they stand for concepts and processes that are the opposite of what Americans consider to be human freedom and dignity.

          The whole world is in huge trouble Ian—we had better hope it can get better.

        • Western Canadian says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 4:29 pm

          Actually, the original intent of the founding fathers was to limit the power of government… with the requirement to monitor and control belonging to the citizens… Sadly, they have NOT been paying attention, and are losing their power over their government.

    • Westman says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 2:43 am

      The simple part of the gun control is that German citizens are essentially unarmed. That is good news for terrorists and government.

      Governments have proven themselves to be spectacularly unable to protect the citizens from any criminsl activity; so in the time it takes for criminals to carry out actions, short of hostage-taking, Germans are on their own. The Police will, of course, investigate after the fact. Planning responses to a terrorist attack would be a wise citizen excercise before attending any large public events.

  13. berserker says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    I suppose it is time for the Jews in Germany to start packing their bags. They will be the first targets. The Dhimmi Progressives will be the first to submit and do the bidding of the Islamists.

  14. UriahB says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 4:41 am

    8900 Salafists. Yes. Global mental illness is on the rise. And it’s catchy. Maybe they caught it from Belgium, France, etc. Nice.

  15. Michael Copeland says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 5:13 am

    A mosque is a court, a school, a training place for militia, and a storage place for arms.
    Sam Solomon

    • umbra says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 10:50 am

      You missed one other. It is also a place to molest children, but that is a secret.

  16. Yeta Xux says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 5:41 am

    No matter how strict gun laws in Germany, France etc. have, as long as there are no border controls within the Schengen area and the very poor control of the EU’s external borders and illegal weapons basically can flow freely between countries. Difficult to get a weapon legally, Yes. Difficult to get illegal weapons to terrorists, No

  17. Barnaby says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 5:53 am

    My god you’re an idiot. Gun control is not about stopping terrorism, it’s about stopping massacres. How many massacres do you have in the US? More than one a day you buffoon. How many massacres do they get in countries where guns are illegal? Almost none. Do you see the difference? It’s about saving lives. Mateen bought his guns legally, if he wasn’t able to do that, he would never have killed those 49 people. What don’t you thick people understand? Guns should be illegal. No-one needs a gun, no-one should have a gun.

    • Richard says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 6:49 am

      The Yanks are hopeless. Let them have their toys; just ban ammunition.

    • Brazilian says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 10:43 am

      Completely right, just google Brazil’s (where guns are completely outlawed) crime stats and you will confirm your faith.

    • Guest says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 10:50 am

      “Guns should be illegal”? “No-one needs a gun, no-one should have a gun”?

      Let us know when you demand that governments give up their guns.

      Oh, but you don’t actually mean that no cop or bureaucrat or leftist politician “should have a gun”.

    • Cap'n Mike says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 12:26 pm

      “Guns should be illegal. No-one needs a gun, no-one should have a gun.”
      What about the Police and the Military?
      Do you trust them with guns?
      In the US we don’t think the Government should be the only ones with guns.
      The 2nd Amendment is about keeping the government in check.

    • Western Canadian says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 4:40 pm

      Barnaby and Richard, you are both utter and complete morons, without a single fact to back up your irrational hatred of Americans, those who own guns and those who do not. The US is NOT experiencing blood baths due to noncriminals owning guns…. It has a high murder rate, due to select cities banning NONcriminals from owning guns, while doing nothing to shut down the gang culture that commits half the murders in the US….. Contrary to lies that you two love to cling to, school shooting are down, and have been dropping for decades. Most US states have VERY low murder rates, the cities cursed for decades with democrat political machines are the outliers…. A breakdown by COUNTY of US murder rates, says all that ANYONE INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH needs to know about US murder rates and responsible gun owners…. which obviously doe not include you two ignorant and proud if it ass’s. Red state voting counties (Republican counties) average murder rate is less than 0.05 per hundred thousand. Blue state voting counties (democrat counties) average murder rate is over 17 per hundred thousand. And don’t bother lying to try to weasel out of being so damned ignorant and so damned stupid.

      • Keys says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 7:59 pm

        Thanks for your comments, WC, and others.

        Maybe, though, we could eliminate all rapes by requiring all rapists and all non-rapists alike to have a penectomy. Take away their guns, so to speak, to reduce or eliminate rape. (sarc off)

      • Mark Swan says

        Jul 3, 2016 at 1:40 am

        Western Canadian Excellent Truthful Points—Thank You Very Much For Sharing The Truth.

    • Angemon says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 5:10 pm

      Barnaby posted:

      “Mateen bought his guns legally, if he wasn’t able to do that, he would never have killed those 49 people.”

      Ah, you can assure us that is a fact? That if Mateen hadn’t bought his guns legally he wouldn’t have, for example, bought guns illegally and shot away anyway, or that he’d have bought pressure cookers, fertilizer, rat poison and blew himself up? I’m asking this because you seem to be working under the assumption that firearms are cursed artefacts that drive people to kill.

  18. Andra says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 7:55 am

    In Germany a Special squad took out the shoes before entereing a mosque while looking for terrorists. Another Police unit has apologized for not doing so on another occation. You can not expect from a state as weak as this that they control weapons in a mosque. Checking hints in this direction could offend muslims.

    • Nic says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 8:30 am

      I’ve searched google for this sort of event, and couldn’t find any references, other than in a couple of blogs without any attribution.

      Did this actually happen, Andra, or is it another internet meme ?

      • Andra says

        Jul 1, 2016 at 9:22 am

        No, this is real. There was a terror warning in Bremen in February. That was the occation when the Police excused themselves for not taking off their shoes. The link further down refers to the incident when the Police took off their shoes, it happened in Berlin in 2015. The newspaper BILD is rainbow press but this incident was mentioned in other MSM as well but I can´t find the links at the moment.

        http://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/hausdurchsuchung/polizisten-kamen-auf-socken-zur-razzia-42679936.bild.html

  19. WorkingClassPost says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 7:56 am

    I
    I’m on a phone, so hope this link works:-

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

    You should see that USA is high-ish, but nothing compared to other New World states.

    Given that most gun crimes are by illegally held weapons, the number per legally owned guns is startlingly low.

    A note too for President Trump, it should be easy to see why so many honest people are trying to cross your southern border.

    You don’t need a wall, what you need is to stop supporting corrupt governments.

  20. Nic says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 8:22 am

    Ummmm….. has this actually happened ?

    The only source is a local politician, Ismail Tipi. He states that this “SWAT” raid was top secret.

    OK.. then…. how did he find out about it ? He’s in local government, but he doesn’t hold any police or security-related positions.

    There is no independent confirmation from the Police, the Security Services, any government minister responsible for either of these, or any local witnesses etc to the raid. No arrests seem to have been made (I don’t think you can keep an arrest secret in Germany ?? ), and the location of the “greengrocers shop” is curiously vague… as is the location of the un-named mosque.

    The guns where supposed to have been found in “a refrigerator”, but the accompanying photograph in the Express shows a collection that would have barely fitted in a LORRY.

    It will be interesting to see if there is any corroboration over the next few days, but right now this story – as presented – is very suspicious.

    • WorkingClassPost says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 10:20 am

      Yes, you’re right to remain sceptical, but the German authority’s handling of previous islamic news, Cologne etc., is bound to add weight to these reports.

      Just demonstrates how little is achieved by lying – muzzies take note.

  21. Guest says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 10:46 am

    Guns and ammo are pouring into Germany. Everyone, esp. leftist radicals, knows this.

  22. Cthulhu says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    Germany is a powder keg now. If something happens, if some bearded goatfuc.ers start to kill innocent people in the streets I bet that mosques will burn. German people are not like French or Swedes. They will fight them and kill them. Not the police, not the leftist politicians, but people that care about their families, culture and their country. And there is a lot of Polish and Russian guys in Germany who will be happy to join the wild hunt.

  23. Len Vaness says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    The German Member of Parliament says that it is the OTHER arm of Islam that does this…do you believe him? Makara, Taqiyya…

  24. reyol says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    No one works the black market as smoothly as the Mohammedans. Gun control just means that the Mohammedans will be the most well armed when they feel ‘strong enough’ to seize power.

    • Mark Swan says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 4:57 am

      You Got It reyol

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