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Utica, NY imam: “Islam is the religion of peace…In this religion, there is no time, no space for any type of violence”

Jun 16, 2016 3:05 pm By Robert Spencer

“If (the shooter) followed the true meaning of the religion, they would know they shouldn’t commit violence. They wouldn’t be able to. In this religion, there is no time, no space for any type of violence.”

The Islam of Imam Ahmedin Mehmedovic is apparently a hustling, bustling faith that is just too busy for any type of violence: it has “no time, no space” for that sort of thing. Apparently the Islam of Imam Ahmedin Mehmedovic has “no time, no space” for these statements of the Qur’an:

“If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.” (Qur’an 4:16)

“We also sent Lot. He said to his people: ‘Do you commit lewdness such as no people in creation committed before you? For you practise your lusts on men in preference to women: you are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.’ …And we rained down on them a shower of brimstone: Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime!” (Qur’an 7:80)

And Muhammad makes clear that Muslims should be the executors of the wrath of Allah by killing gays. A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.” (Abu Dawud 38:4447) And: “Stone the upper and the lower, stone them both.” (Ibn Majah 3:20:2562)

Maybe Imam Ahmedin Mehmedovic is just in too much of a hurry. Muslims like him have “no time, no space” for killing gays. But what if their schedule eases up, and they get a chance to move to larger quarters?

Ahmedin Mehmedovic

“Islam has ‘no time, no space’ for violence,” by Alissa Scott, Utica Observer-Dispatch, June 16, 2016:

UTICA – At a time when some blame Islam for the deadly shooting that rocked Orlando, and the presumptive Republican presidential nominee has called for a ban on Muslim refugees, Utica is doing things differently.

Here, the city’s Muslims, Jews, Christians and Buddhists are praying together.

At sundown Wednesday, the American Bosnia-Herzegovina Islamic Center on Kossuth Avenue invited interfaith leaders and people of all religions to share an evening of learning, prayer and food as they hosted a Ramadan Breaking Fast Gathering….

“Lately, because of the reporting about Islam, there is a misunderstanding,” said Imam Ahmedin Mehmedovic, the religious leader of the Kossuth Avenue mosque. “Islam is the religion of peace, not violence. The meaning of the word Islam is peace. That’s the main thing people should know.”

Rows of Muslim men and young boys knelt with their palms facing up, bowing, standing and whispering at times as they prayed until Wednesday’s 8:43 p.m. sunset. Women wore head scarves and prayed upstairs. Everyone was barefoot….

Alissa Scott doesn’t have the wit or critical eye to ask why the women were wearing headscarves and praying upstairs. Even if she had, it is unlikely that Imam Ahmedin Mehmedovic would have alerted her to these hadiths:

“Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of ‘Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black dog. I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil.” (Sahih Muslim 1032)

“Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that.” (Sahih Muslim 1034)

“‘Urwa b. Zubair reported: ‘A’isha asked: What disrupts the prayer? We said: The woman and the ass. Upon this she remarked: Is the woman an ugly animal? I lay in front of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) like the bier of a corpse and he said prayer.” (Sahih Muslim 1037)

“Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Qatadah said: I heard Jabir ibn Zayd who reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas; and Shu’bah reported the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: A menstruating woman and a dog cut off the prayer. (Sunan Abu Dawud 703)

“Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone’s throw.” (Sunan Abu Dawud 704)

Those of other faiths prayed to themselves or simply watched, appearing to appreciate the expression of faith.

Mehmedovic hosted Wednesday night’s event, and is planning another at the Utica Mosque on Court Street for next Wednesday at sundown.

“We are stronger when we are together,” said Gerald Lombardo, a founding member of the Interfaith Coalition of Greater Utica. “When we have people of all faiths together, they get to know one another, they get to building relationships that are lasting. They take us into the future so that whatever happens, we can stand together.”…

Mehmedovic said people such as presidential candidate Donald Trump shouldn’t blame an entire religion for a single person’s actions – that it causes him and other Muslims in Utica to feel “strange,” when really they just want to be included.“If someone is mentally unstable, we cannot put blame on the whole religion, a whole group of people,” he said, referring to Omar Mateen, the shooter who authorities say killed 49 people and wounded 53 at Pulse nightclub in Orlando early Sunday morning. Reports indicate he was an ISIS sympathizer.

After the tragedy – the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history – Trump reintroduced his call for banning Muslim immigration to the U.S.

“People say they’re all the same, but of course they’re not,” Mehmedovic said. “If (the shooter) followed the true meaning of the religion, they would know they shouldn’t commit violence. They wouldn’t be able to. In this religion, there is no time, no space for any type of violence.”

Rabbi Cassi Kail said she was happy to attend the service Wednesday. Recently, she’s faced discrimination because of her faith.

“It’s important for me, especially as a rabbi, to develop relationships with Muslims so that we can perpetuate peace,” said Kail, who is the religious leader at Temple Emanu-El in Utica….

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  1. Nigel GFF says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    It will be the “Peace of Islam” all right..
    Big hint, check the wording – it’s their peace meted out by them, it will be/is imposed according to their rule, on their terms. Our notion of peace (simply, freedom for all) is alien. The words sound & look the same (equal number of letters and syllables and the like) but that’s it. Period. “Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.” (Rudyard Kipling).

    • jihad3tracker says

      Jun 16, 2016 at 4:31 pm

      THIS NEWSPAPER HAS A ***** COMMENT ****** SECTION —- GET GOING WITH A HUGE DOSE OF TRUTH. Citations from the Qur’an are perfect, and Robert provides to verses above in his commentary.

      Add your own — about subjugation and violence ACROSS THE ENTIRE SPAN OF NON-MUSLIMS, NOT JUST GAY PEOPLE.

      • jihad3tracker says

        Jun 16, 2016 at 4:33 pm

        ESPECIALLY ABOUT TAQIYYA, WHICH THIS WONDERFUL IMAM IS DOING !

        • linnte says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 6:22 pm

          It is requiring I answer questions and put in my email before it will show me the article. Sorry.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 6:59 pm

          Linnte, there are only a few comments, so I’m reproducing them here:

          Carolyn Hart:
          Stop lying to the public! The word Islam means “submission,” not “peace.” The Koran calls for the murder and enslavement of unbelievers. It teaches hatred of Jews and gays, and the subjugation of women. Muslims pray that their god will punish unbelievers, that is what they pray in Arabic at these interfaith gatherings. Wake up, America.

          Jebediah Springfield:
          I am just gonna drop this here…

          https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Violence

          Scott Carter:
          Any organization is made up of imperfect humans. There are always those proportionately few bad examples who cause all the trouble and make all the headlines. ISIS and the other lunatic, noise making monsters do not reflect the attitude of the everyday Muslim. I’ve had the opportunity to become acquainted with many Bosnian families over the past several years and found them to be exceptionally kind, family-oriented, and generous….I dare say, more so than people of my own nationality, and they are just as disgusted by the extremists as we are.

          Jebediah Springfield:
          @Scott Carter
          Except when “an organization” follow a specific ideology that commands violence, things are a bit different. In case of islam, a REAL muslim is the one that IS VIOLENT (because islam commands violence), and the one who is not violent is not a real muslim. In other “organizations” (as you like to refer to them), things are different. The violent one is the one that does NOT follow the teachings of that particular “organization”. For example, a Christian who is violent – is violent because he is NOT following the Christian teachings properly.

          The fact that you bacame acquanted with many Bosnian families, etc… does not change the fact that islam is a violent, fascist ideology.

          Todd Barone:
          a religion of peace where the quran teaches killing of the infidel, killing of homosexuals and stoning of women. you can have it and keep it in the middle east..
          …….

          Only one of these posters is clueless–and he gets a corrective from one of the clued-in commenters. Very heartening.

        • linnte says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 7:05 pm

          Thanks Graven! I really need a new more powerful device. One with a mouse so I can copy/paste etc. So good if you to post these because it is very heartening!

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 7:25 pm

          Linnte, you can get a wireless mouse for about ten dollars. I got a Logitech m187 Wireless Mini Mouse with a nano receiver that plugs into a USB port. I payed $9.95 plus tax. I got it from Office Depot, but I am sure you can find its equivalent at Best Buy or Walmart. It does make things much easier.

        • Shane says

          Jun 17, 2016 at 3:36 pm

          The Imam should have said – “Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say otherwise we will kill you.”
          Quran 9:29 http://quran.com/9/29-30 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
          “Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever you find them —seize them, besiege them, and make ready to ambush them!” (Koran 9:5).
          We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 3:151)
          “Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror thereby into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.” (Qur’an 8:60)
          “Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.” (Qur’an 9:111)

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 16, 2016 at 6:45 pm

        jihad3tracker wrote:

        THIS NEWSPAPER HAS A ***** COMMENT ****** SECTION —- GET GOING WITH A HUGE DOSE OF TRUTH.
        …………………………………

        Yes, Jihad3tracker–most of the comments to this story in the Utica Observer-Dispatch are *very* Islamo-savvy. Glad to see it.

        • Carolyne says

          Jun 17, 2016 at 5:46 pm

          I don’t know. It seems kinda boring to sit around on lawn chairs all day eating grapes and dates and drinking wine and shagging a virgin now and then. And then there are the young boys. I think I’d rather read a book or something.

    • c matt says

      Jun 17, 2016 at 10:05 am

      Maybe his English isn’t very good, because Islam means “submission” in English, not peace.

      • djphoenix says

        Jun 17, 2016 at 3:35 pm

        You are correct, c matt. Islam, as shown by thousands of incidents the last decade or so, clearly show the world that Islam has nothing to do with peace; it’s about submission. Meanwhile, thousands around the world continue to gather to spite those who think they can drive us into submission. More people are sympathetic to the gay community now than before Orland. There are individuals and groups who now pray fervently for the named individuals in the families left behind that they would convert to Christianity. This includes the dad of the Orlando murderer who apparently never taught self-control to his boy.

  2. John spielman says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:22 pm

    And of course islam ALLOWS you to LIE to us unbelievers! Lying to infidels is virtue because muhammed your false prophet and pedophile pervert and islam’s PERFECT man did it!

  3. Tommy says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    The koran should be required reading in all public schools and the kids can read for themselves the ‘peaceful’ writings.

  4. JawsV says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:24 pm

    Al-Taqiyya in action. Keep believing the lying Muslims, liberal chumps.

  5. Champ says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:28 pm

    “Islam is the religion of peace…In this religion, there is no time, no space for any type of violence”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Merriam-Webster could use this statement as an example for what a “lie” is.

    • billybob says

      Jun 16, 2016 at 4:19 pm

      What’s he smoking?

      • Champ says

        Jun 16, 2016 at 6:29 pm

        Camel 😉

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 6:32 pm

          OMG, Champ! Can’t beat that great line! ?

        • billybob says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 6:51 pm

          Remember the old commercial… “I’d walk a mile for a Camel”?

        • linnte says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 7:01 pm

          Brilliant! You’s a schmart cookie Champ! Hahahahahah!

        • Champ says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 7:07 pm

          Love the commercial thanks billybob! …ok, but would he walk a mile for Camel piss? ..probably not, since that’s what mohammedans prefer 😀

        • maghan says

          Jun 17, 2016 at 7:49 am

          And he would walk a mile for one–in an “emergency”, as that Refugee rapist in Germany said when asked why he raped a young boy in a swimming pool.

  6. Ren says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    LIAR!

  7. Michael Copeland says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    “Islam has never for one day been a religion of peace.”
    Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, Caliph of Islamic State
    “Violence is the heart of Islam.”
    Ayatollah Yazdi

    Section r8 of the Manual of Islamic Law is entitled “Permissible Lying”.
    The Manual, “Reliance of the Traveller”, is available as a free download:
    https://themuslimissue.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/relianceoftraveller.pdf

  8. Idania says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    What a lier…what about the 1400 years of history? Peaceful? What about the 4 millions dead of just the Ottoman Empire? It lasted until 1923. Almost yesterday. A religion of Peace???

  9. Ron Mitchinson says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    Islam is a death cult. The Quran its book of war. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. A Radical Muslim will cut off your head. A Moderate Muslim will hold your feet as it is done. They worship death, we should give it to them in spades.

    • c matt says

      Jun 17, 2016 at 10:10 am

      A Radical Muslim will cut off your head. A Moderate Muslim will tell you why it’s your fault he cut off your head.

  10. Jaladhi says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    Why are the reps from other religions praying with these lying SOB’s? Don’t they see for themselves what Islam and Muslims are like. They should not give legitimacy to Muslim taqiyya by going to their mosques!!

  11. Walter Sieruk says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    When that imams said that “Islam is a religion of peace” he was engaging in “damage control ” of the image of Islam to Westerners. As in putting up a smokescreen to hide the violent and deadly nature of Islam from the public To explain this in another way ,in the false statement that imam made he was putting in to practice the Islamic doctrine of Taqiyya. Which is the Islamic dogma that lying and deception is a good thing to do as long as it’s done fort had advancement of Islam. In addition to all this Likewise, It’s a good idea not to take at face value the claim that the word Islam means “peace.” For example, the ENCARTA WORLD ENGLISH DICTIONARY copyright 1999 defines Islam as “submission” based on the word “aslama” meaning “he surrendered.” Given the definition it’s an odd phenomenon that after about fourteen hundred years starting on September 12, 2001 the meaning changed from “submission” to “peace.” It’s very well known that if the police are questioning someone and he changes his story something is wrong. Nevertheless, when it comes to Islam no one gets suspicious of the change. The jihadists brag that they will win the war against the West by using the Western ignorance and naive gullible mindset on the subject of Islam against us. It seems that they do have some basis in that claim since so many Westerners are beguiled by the Muslim disinformation campaign.

  12. Face_The_Truth says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    LINK

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-origin-of-the-term-religion-of-peace/

    ‘President Bush said it on Sept. 16, 2001, “Islam is Peace.”

    President Obama said it on numerous occasions, for example on Nov 7, 2010, in India, “Islam embodied a religion of peace.”

    This mantra is also used by the typical Muslim-on-the-street who is trying to defend against Islam’s well-earned reputation for violence and terrorism.

    When asked where in the Quran does it say that, Muslims cannot cite a verse.

    It just isn’t there – at least in those words.

    So where did that expression come from?

    It turns out that there was a book printed in India in 1930 (and again in 1988) with the title – The Religion of Peace.

    The author was Ishtiaq Husain Qureshi, a British-educated historian who was later involved in the establishment of Pakistan.’

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 16, 2016 at 7:43 pm

      Thanks, Face_The_Truth. Here’s the brilliant Mark Durie on the subject:

      “Time to consider why the ‘religion of peace’ is so bloody”

      http://www.lapidomedia.com/node/6386

      Ishtiaq Hussain Qureshi was a big proponent of the bloody creation of Muslim state Pakistan. He also wrote a hagiographical biography of the conquering Mughal Emperor Akbar.

      • Face_The_Truth says

        Jun 17, 2016 at 11:30 am

        Indian Muslims try to WHITEWASH every negative Islamic contribution to human civilization.

      • Face_The_Truth says

        Jun 17, 2016 at 11:39 am

        By the way, did you notice Ishtiaq Hussain’s last name “Qureshi” which signifies his direct descendancy from Islam’s founder’s Arabian merchant tribe of The Quraysh???

        LINK

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishtiaq_Hussain_Qureshi

  13. Cecilia Ellis says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    “They take us into the future so that whatever happens, we can stand together . . .”

    That is . . . if the slippery pools of blood on the floor allow survivors to stand at all …

  14. Tommy says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 4:05 pm

    A religion of ‘piece’…a piece of a homosexual here, a piece of a homosexual there…

  15. Dum Spiro says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 4:13 pm

    An Arabic word has only one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Arabic or Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.

    Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace can be brought about by forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar Ibrahim Sulaiman puts it (and I’m trying to italicize this quote), “Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law.”

    That and more here:
    https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths/means-peace.aspx

    Dr. Bill Warner has pointed out in his CSPI presentations (YouTube) that in the 1400 years of Islam, 12 decades are jihad free. So Islam is 9% peace and 91% violence. But hey, if you want to use tawriya (deceit by ambiguity) and/or kitman (deceit by omission), 9% should be good enough for the “Islam is peace” mendacity.

    Studying these things should enlighten us…
    –Spero

  16. Richard Paulsen says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    If so there is no reason of escape and instead staying at home..

  17. John Marst says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    HAHAHA … What? Wasn’t the Imam joking?

  18. Dum Spiro says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    Somebody once quipped that ISLAM is an acronym for:

    I
    Steal
    Lie
    And
    Murder

    Hmmm… robbing caravans, coaxing a foe out in the open under false (ironically peaceful) pretenses, and then killing him and a slew (no pun originally intended) of others….

    Humor can help us learn well…
    –Spero

    • Zub says

      Jun 16, 2016 at 5:42 pm

      I would like to offer a slight revision to the acronym.

      ISLAM…

      I
      Subjugate
      Lie
      And
      Murder

  19. jura says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    Because of the name Ahmedin Mehmedovic I think, this imam is a Bosnian.
    Bosnian islam is very influenced by bogomilism. A neognostic sect with its centre in preislamic Bosnia till15th century. Problem is Bosnia these days is undergoing islamisation by arabic imams and there is no way defending bosnian islam.

  20. JS says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    I’ve said it many times, I’ll say it again… I really want to watch the so-called moderate imams living in the US debating the leaders of ISIS on their interpretation of the Quran.

    Please, please, please… make it happen. I’ll chip in few dollars.

  21. Jack Diamond says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    “The meaning of the word Islam is peace” is a lie. Islam means “submission” and the only peace in Islam for non-Muslims is in the grave, in conversion, or in subjugation. Absent a (temporary) peace treaty or dhimmi pact (ransom for your life) the norm between Muslim and non-Muslim is war. That is Islam. That is why the Qur’an is a manual of terror and the Sunnah a chronicle of a terrorist.

    While having Ramadan breakfast the Imam could explain why the Orlando shooting happened during Ramadan or why on day 11 there have been 88 attacks and 713 kills in the name of Islam this Ramadan, zero for any other religion, and zero Muslims killed by Islamophobes.

    Maybe he could even explain why so many “glorious” battles in Islamic history took place during Ramadan? Or why it celebrates the Battle of Badr, the first military victory of Muhammad, the miraculous victory where each Muslim fighter was aided by 20 angels, the start of the Jihad…you know, violence, bloodshed…and what that has to do with the spike in Muslim violence every Ramadan?
    He could explain why the final battle at Tours, which decided the fate of Europe, was launched by the Muslims during Ramadan–in fact they waited until Ramadan to attack. Or why the violent jihad which created Pakistan was launched during…Ramadan. Clearly all those Muslims must have been “mentally unstable” like the Orlando misunderstander of Islam, unless, of course, the Imam Mehmedovic is deceiving his incredulous (dumb as rocks) interfaith audience! Alissa Scott, Gerald Lombardo, and Cassi Kail could make one despair for the Republic.

  22. Veritas says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    An ass has passed in front of him. Ishmael.

    “a wild ass among men; his hand shall be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. And he shall dwell over against all his brethren”

    • Carolyne says

      Jun 17, 2016 at 5:55 pm

      Is that ass named Barrack Hussein Obama?

  23. billybob says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    Breaking news, courtesy of CNN email alerts…

    The Orlando shooter and his wife exchanged text messages during the Pulse nightclub rampage, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation says.

    Around 4 a.m., holed up in a bathroom about two hours after he started the attack, Omar Mateen texted his wife, Noor Salman, asking if she’d seen the news, the official said.

    At one point, she responded with a text saying that she loved him.

    I am touched…

  24. Hope says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    “Here, the city’s Muslims, Jews, Christians and Buddhists are praying together.”

    Yes, and apparently these stupid Christian, Jewish, and Buddhist fools are completely unaware that the muslims are praying for Allah to punish and destroy the unbelievers. That is what they are praying, in Arabic of course, right in front of you, and laughing on the inside at your stupidity.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 16, 2016 at 7:48 pm

      Yup…

  25. Wellington says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    He’s lying, ignorant or delusional. No fourth option exists and the three that do are all negatives.

    • Cecilia Ellis says

      Jun 16, 2016 at 6:27 pm

      Wellington, how about the incredibly unique probability that it is a combination of all three options?

      • Jack Diamond says

        Jun 16, 2016 at 6:45 pm

        Interesting sidebar, this mosque replaced an old Methodist church, meaning the church was converted into a mosque, a symbolism and meaning no doubt lost on the good people of Utica but not to the not-so-very-ignorant Imam.

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 7:08 pm

          Jack, a mosque recently and quietly replaced an old church in the town in which I live, and in a matter of days, the windows were blackened-in to preclude potential for seeing inside. Then came the new brick siding to cover up those windows. Of all the empty buildings throughout the city, they chose the church.

        • linnte says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 11:20 pm

          They are very good at desecration. Everything they touch turns to rot. Jesus brings us light, Allah blackness. The Lord needs to return and alleviate the blot of Islam.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 7:58 pm

          Yes, Jack–it *was* lost on them. A clueless woman who used to attend church services there witlessly said how glad she was that the church was “saved”.

          “In This Town, Open Arms for a Mosque”

          http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/19/nyregion/19towns.html?_r=0

          You might gag when you read it.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 8:05 pm

          Grim, Cecilia. And this is happening all over–in Europe, especially.

          An ancient form of Muslim supremacy.

          Invading Muslims massacred all Christians taking sanctuary at Hagia Sofia in Constantinople, then turned what was then Christendom’s greatest cathedral into a mosque before the blood was dry.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jun 16, 2016 at 10:22 pm

          Yes, it is happening at an alarming rate in Europe, one estimate was two churches a week are being bought and converted into mosques. Because the churches are empty.

          From 2012, and it’s only gotten worse:
          “Duisburg (Germany), which has a total population of 500,000, is home to around 100,000 mostly Turkish Muslims, making it one of the most Islamized cities in Germany.

          Muslims in Duisburg are now clamoring to turn empty churches in the city into mosques, according to the Germany daily newspaper, Der Westen.

          In Germany as a whole, more than 400 Roman Catholic churches and more than 100 Protestant churches have been closed since 2000, according to one estimate. Another 700 Roman Catholic churches are slated to be closed over the next several years.

          By contrast, there are now more than 200 mosques (including more than 40 mega-mosques), 2,600 Muslim prayer halls and a countless number unofficial mosques in Germany. Another 128 mosques are currently under construction, according to the Zentralinstitut Islam-Archiv, a Muslim organization based in Germany.

          In Britain, Islam has overtaken Anglicanism as the dominant religion as more people attend mosques than the Church of England. According to one survey, 930,000 Muslims attend a place of worship at least once a week, whereas only 916,000 Anglicans do the same.”
          http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2761/converting-churches-into-mosques

          Daniel Greenfield wrote on this subject in 2015, concerning its spread into America:
          “The most thrilling experience for the new colonizers of the West is the taking of a church or a synagogue and transforming it into a mosque. While for the moment this has to be done legally, it is the closest thing to the ISIS experience that an Islamist can have in America or Europe without going to jail.”

          This is quite literal Islamic supremacism and allahu-akbar. No different from when Muhammad did it to the temples at the ka’ba, destroyed them and converted it into a mosque. No different from the Al Aqsa mosque, which wasn’t built near the Jewish Temple mount, it was built right on top of it. No different than the thousands of mosques built atop the razed temples in India. No different than the thousands of destroyed or converted churches of the Christian Middle East. Nowadays? They buy churches and “save” them and are roundly congratulated by the clueless infidels (those frogs slowly being boiled to death, blithely unaware).

      • Wellington says

        Jun 16, 2016 at 7:10 pm

        Yes, Cecilia, your hypothesis is certainly a valid one. Actually quite fitting too since Islam is very much wrapped up with mendacity, a dearth of knowledge (both of the world and oneself) and mental aberration.

  26. gravenimage says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    Utica, NY imam: “Islam is the religion of peace…In this religion, there is no time, no space for any type of violence”
    ……………………………

    Are Imams like Ahmedin Mehmedovic just laughing up their sleeves at this point when they trot out this bs?

  27. billybob says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    I’m watching a great video right now. It is a Hannity show that took place a few months ago. It has an all star cast – Robert Spencer, Brigitte Gabriel, Pamela Geller, and many more. It is just as timely today as it was back in November.

    Rise of Radical Islam

    • linnte says

      Jun 17, 2016 at 12:12 am

      I was not awake in January of 2015. I wish I had seen this when it aired. Thanks for this video!

  28. Thomas Hulting says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    Taqiyya is the Islamic principle wherein it is acceptable (authorized) to LIE about Islam if it it is done in the defense or furtherance of Islam! Clearly, this is EXACTLY the Islamic principle invoked here!!!

  29. mgoldberg says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    “…Mehmedovic said people such as presidential candidate Donald Trump shouldn’t blame an entire religion for a single person’s actions – that it causes him and other Muslims in Utica to feel “strange,” when really they just want to be included.“If someone is mentally unstable, we cannot put blame on the whole religion, a whole group of people,” he said, referring to Omar Mateen, the shooter who authorities say killed 49 people and wounded 53 at Pulse nightclub in Orlando early Sunday morning. Reports indicate he was an ISIS sympathizer.”

    So, the 28.650 Jihad attacks just since 9/11 shouldn’t be shouldered by Islam, nor the half a million slaughtered just since then? Nor the 290 millions in the 1400 yrs? No, it shouldn’t be shouldn’t be shouldered by all muslims, but it should be shouldered by Islam.
    The fact that this ‘imam’ calls for Trump to be corrected rather than Islam to be seen for it’s flaws, and for those who follow devout homicidal dictates as per Mohammed is rather shallow, false, and should engender suspicion as to the imam’s sincerity.

  30. Bridgette says

    Jun 16, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    They should all have their filthy tongues cut out for their taqiyya. You can fool a few some of the time.

  31. TopDrifter says

    Jun 17, 2016 at 4:37 am

    “…I am not pissing down your leg! It is really raining!”

  32. scherado says

    Jun 17, 2016 at 6:59 am

    Having spent more than a little time in upper “up-state NY”, I ask, what is being conveyed with “no space”?

  33. c matt says

    Jun 17, 2016 at 10:03 am

    Mehmedovic, the religious leader of the Kossuth Avenue mosque. “Islam is the religion of peace, not violence. The meaning of the word Islam is peace. That’s the main thing people should know.”

    I get it, this Mehmedovic guy s a comedian, right?

  34. Angemon says

    Jun 17, 2016 at 10:31 am

    Great, another shia taqqiyah-monger…

  35. Horseman says

    Jun 18, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    Two things: (1) Islamic law (Sharia) is very explicit about the punishment for homosexuality. (2) Anybody who can read knows that Islam has never been a religion of peace.

  36. Manuele says

    Jun 27, 2016 at 12:55 am

    EXCUSE ME BUT, THE IMAM IS CRAPPING FROM HIS MOUTH. I CAN SMELL FOUL SMELL OF LIES, DECEITS AND DENIALS.

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