As muslim attacks against us increase more people and media are going to turn to Spencer and Geller for help. As islamic ideology continues to wreak havoc in our daily lives their humanitarian concerns and warnings will be accepted as life-saving truths. So many on our lost planet have been desperately clinging to the false hope that somehow we in America will be immune to islam’s bad effects. But our well-intentioned desire to see the best in others can only go so far. Let’s be honest, some people are just bad. And you know the power of religion to influence minds. Now consider islam with its call to “slay the infidel” and you get my point. Murder, bigotry, and intolerance, are the main ingredients of islam, taught as divine truth to the faithful, it’s their political and social guide for living. Did I just make that up? No, you know I speak the truth, it’s in black and white with RED all over.
We aren’t immune to islam’s ideology of hate, we’re as susceptible as anyone else. All muslims are connected with islam to some degree, obviously. We have millions of these people in our nation and more are pouring in. I want to like people too. But I see no gain in lying to ourselves. Muslims live according to a creed that is fundamentally no different from Nazism, both are brutal fascist ideologies and totalitarian in nature. It’s not a “religion of peace.” It’s a violent supremacist ideology with some plagiarized religious nonsense thrown in, it permeates every aspect of their culture, their minds can’t help but be tainted against us. And we are seeing the consequences every day, 9/11 was our muslim “Pearl Harbor.” We should be on “full alert,” not making excuses for the enemy.
~BAN CAIR, they want only islam.
~NO MORE MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS, they pose a grave threat to our peace and freedoms.
~PASS ANTI SHARIA LAWS, sharia is their means of imposing religious discrimination and terror on others.
~NO MORE MOSQUES, that’s where they sustain and proffer their anti-western ideas and JIHAD hatred for “others.”
~NO MUSLIM POLITICIANS, muslims can’t be faithful to their religion and serve America too, they are antithetical. There’s no room for demented Allah in our secular politics.
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THANKS MR. SPENCER! YOU GIVE US HOPE, YOU MAKE US PROUD!
Mockingjaysays
If there was a “like” button, I’d click it, Jerry.
Simone Fieldssays
And me!
Janakiraman Rajalakshmisays
Vote for Donald Trump.
Idaniasays
There is little left to say after Jerry. Their “religion/political agenda are in total contrast with our beliefs, with our culture. But it is not a matter of just “difference” this people are taught by their “holy book” that they have to spread islam by all means including killing the “infidels”. All of them believe that evil book is the word of God and feel preassured to obey it to be a good muslim. Islam is a barbaric, ruthless, primitive and cruel set of believe. They will be dangerous as long as they are in the Western World. I do believe that ALL muslims are potential terrorists. The religion of “peace” is a fallacy, I we need to beware.
Jay Boosays
Killing gays is not Islamic.
Therefore Muslims worldwide have come out to strongly condemn their prophet Muhammad’s call to kill gays and insist on a total ban on Sharia law.
The organization CAIR repudiates Muhammad’s attempt to hijack their peaceful religion and advises all Muslims in the US to reject Hillary Clinton’s white-washing of the bigot Muhammad and vote for Donald Trump in November.
Spot Onsays
The photo of three Muslims…one of them gay in between the other two, all on a roof top with the gay Muslim in airborne head first over the roof’s edge. That is true Islam.
Lawrencesays
New developments, seems Mateen was a gay man, a regular at Pulse!! and he used gay apps like Grindr. He sought a gay relationship with at least one man. So now the Islamophile Left is saying it has nothing to do with radical Islam, and the rest of us evil Islamophobes have jumped to conclusions. As usual the idiot Left – desperate to cover for Islam – get it all wrong. Am not surprised the killer was gay or bi, and clearly ashamed of his homosexuality. Who would be surprised he was gay? Yet that begs the question, why was he so ashamed of his homosexuality to begin with? He did not come from a Christian background, but a repressive Muslim background, his father is a Muslim fanatic who hates gays. His self-loathing and shame was learned from his father, and the Muslim dogma that shaped his childhood and upbringing and conditioning. Without the Muslim background, no self-loathing shame that he then projects on other homosexuals, killing them in this act of terror. An unconscious attempt at a perverse kind of ‘redemption’.
And if he was from a Christian background, and did the same thing, and his father was a Christian preacher who called homosexuality a sin punished by hellfire, then I would knock that just as much, without apologetics and equivocation. But point of fact his background and conditioning was all Muslim, and that is what inspired his self-loathing shame that culminated in the violence, nothing else. As such it is not a case of Muslim extremism and self-loathing gay shame being mutually exclusive (as the Left is now spinning it), but mutually reinforcing.
Jay Boosays
Mateen being a gay man is at best a rumor.
Foremost he was a MUSLIM.
Gay is only a secondary issue.
This MUSLIM man may have been a closet homosexual as most MUSLIM men are strangely obsessed with homo-erotic thoughts while simultaneously desiring to be like Muhammad and kill all witnesses.
They Left is trying to identify Muslims as co-victims.
Angemonsays
I have a theory. Mateen was trying to lure a gay man so he could kill him in the privacy of his home and get away with it. Since he didn’t manage to do so, he decided to simply kill as many as he could.
linntesays
Naw…if he was gay, the only way to redeem himself in the eyes of Allah, would be to be a Jihadi and go straight to Paradise. If he was gay, the guilt he carried and fear of being killed by his own family would have been unbearable. I bet his father found out about him and gave him the only solution possible. I can hear his father say, “You have disgraced your family and yourself. You will go to hell and possibly drag us with you. I will have to kill you unless you redeem yourself through Jihad against the same people you have betrayed us with”. Kill fifty gays for Allah and BOOM Paradise here I come.
dtssays
I think there is a LOT of truth to this. It may not have even been said explicitly, but would it have necessarily had to have been, knowing what they believe?
linntesays
That father is an important person in the life of the shooter. All he would have had to say was “you know what must be done” and yes, a mutual understanding is clearly reinforced by doctrine!
Norgersays
I think you hit the nail on the head. As that Shiite hate preacher who spoke at the Orlando mosque in April said, it is somehow “merciful” to kill gays, murdering them allows them redemption in the afterlife. Mateen gets a “twofer;” he’s “helping” his gay victims by murdering them, plus guaranteeing his own place in paradise as a martyr.
Not that any of this has anything to do with Islam, of course….
linntesays
Not that it has anything to do with Islam of course! Hahahahaha! I needed that laugh! Thanks!
Jack Diamondsays
Ali Muhammad Brown, in 2014, used the grindr app to lure two gays from a Seattle club and shoot them both in the head. The methodology neither confirms or denies this shooter was himself gay because first and foremost he was waging jihad and any duplicity goes. For that matter, any sex act. He also was apparently scouting other infidel targets, not specifically gay.
Months before in 2014 Musab Mohamed Masmari tried to set a gay nightclub in Seattle on fire, with 750 people inside. It should not be a total surprise that another gay club is targeted for jihadist mass murder. They are not targeted because the killer feels guilt for his sexuality.
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We even have the FBI director showing off his ignorance by characterizing the shooter as mentally confused because he supported disparate jihadi groups while pledging allegiance to the Islamic State. As if they are mutually exclusive. He doesn’t seem to be aware (shi’a) Hizballah trained with (sunni) al Qaeda in camps, that they carried out terrorist attacks in tandem; that (shi’a) Iran funded and trained (sunni) Hamas; that ISIS came from al Qaeda (in Iraq) and still venerates Bin Laden; that some al Qaeda groups (Yemen, Syria) have pledged loyalty to al-Bagdhadi; or, the bottom-line, which is all jihadi groups have the same goal and same Islamic motivation (as do all true Muslims), and that regardless of their bloody schisms and their endless cannibalism, share the same infidel enemy.
Comey also asserted the shooter was not part of a terror network but “self-radicalized” via the internet (not by the Qur’an and Sunnah, by the “internet”), ignoring the actual orders of the very terror network the killer pledged loyalty to, orders issued by the Islamic State for Muslims in America to kill in any way they are able the “disbelievers” they find, even in their beds: “Kill him in any manner, do not ask for anyone’s advice and do not seek anyone’s verdict. Kill the disbeliever whether he is civilian or military, for they have the same ruling…both of their blood and wealth is legal for you to destroy…his blood is like that of a dog, there is no sin for him (the Muslim) in spilling it.” –Islamic State Sept 21, 2014
Nigel GFFsays
“An unconscious attempt at a perverse kind of ‘redemption’.”
An interesting observation. Oddly Christian – The Redeemer spilt his own blood to redeem mankind. He gained all for us.
Marteen gave nothing, ‘au contraire’, he took everything. This blood letting will gain him nothing, no personal redemption, only a good roasting in the pit.
linntesays
WE know that, but Islamic doctrine says in Jihad, if the Jihadi dies ALL his sins are forgiven.
Simone Fieldssays
In Afghanistan the saying goes ‘women are for babies, boys are for pleasure’.
He wanted to absolve himself of his sin and the best way to do that is to martyr yourself.
There was a documentary on t.v. recently, filmed in Afghanistan showing the men grooming boys. woman are shut away indoors, never being in the company of women for any outdoor activity means there is no normal interaction, no wonder the result is an abnormal behaviour.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmisays
Robert Spencer has made a thorough study of Islam. Their religion is violently inimical to all non muslims.
India is one telling example. Whoever comes to power has to necessarily appease the muslims caving in to their demands. Thus various Indian politicians to stay in power uphold muslims’ blasphemy laws.
During the “cartoon riots” against Danish Journalist it was an indian muslim minister called azam khan of Uttar Pradesh who announced an award running into billions for anyone (sic) “bringing the head” of the Danish Editor.
Charlie Hebdo murders by jihadists were defended by Indian journalists sagarika ghose of CNN-IBN. Entire indian media is pro muslim & anti Hindu. Most of them are ostensibly hindus but leftists like American leftists.
During 9/11 , muslims of India maintained it was done by Jews to “malign Islam”.
After roasting alive many Hindus in a train in Gujarat the same muslims said ” the train was set on fire by hindus to malign Islam”. Indian despicable minister called laloo yadav ( a darling of bbc) said Hindus died owing to “self combustible coaches”.
Today also apropos Orlando killings Indian muslims comment along the same lines- that Jews have done so to malign Islam. This is how they talk. And obamas of the world alone relish such drivel.
When Arabs themselves are not willing to let in any muslim migrant , Europe , America & India are coerced into accommodating them.
Lots of Nigerian muslims & bangladeshi muslims spread all over India have been unleashing havoc & media does not report. Instead bbc has the gall to interview some Africans who keep calling us “racists”. Lots of people have been commenting on social media how drug peddling , rape & anti social behaviour is what these muslim migrants have brought in.
Just as Joe Biden idiotically classified them as good & bad taliban , India also misleads us by telling afghanis are good & Pakistanis are bad. India has built some dam & keeps inviting many in the name of medical tourism . Organs like kidneys , liver , eyes , whole arms , hearts get harvested from many Hindus to be fitted into such muslims seeking treatment. These are called “goodwill gestures”.
Robert Spencer & Hugh Fitzgerald alone know no winning of hearts is possible through such masochistic measures. But avaricious doctors become uber rich. And the rich corporates ( health care itself is being run like profits chasing corporate industry) are the influential lobbyists funding elections.
Indian film industry is monopolized by many leftists & muslims. If America & China can jointly disable indian film industry altogether that would be most welcome. Hollywood at least has the liberty to make movies that make Americans feel good about themselves. But all Indian movies have to necessarily glorify aurangazeb , akbar , babur , humayun , jehangir & all moghul rulers. shabana azmis of bollywood enjoy the luxury of donning Hindu Sarees , sporting Hindu bindi on their foreheads but seldom recoil from heaping most vitriolic ridicule on Hindus. Indian film fraternity i& indian media are the most powerful opinion makers flush with money. By pulverizing both , America can tide over its economic crisis . And liberate Hindus like me. We are the highly endangered minority in our own country. So much so recently Hindu Sabha celebrated Donald Trump’s Birthday in India & performed an Oblation praying for Donald Trump’s VICTORY.
Hindus including the present Prime Minister Narendra Modi cannot but appease muslims. If not they would bring in the infinitely worse & incorrigibly corrupt congress party to power. As that is what uk our erstwhile colonial occupier wants. UK is also anti Trump.
gravenimagesays
OK–this is just bizarre. Not the post itself, which is very good–but Janakiraman Rajalakshmi was spamming this other thread, *lauding* Muslim terrorists:
I have no idea what is going on here–is it possible two separate posters are using this same username?
Jay Boosays
Can we at least insist on a total ban on Muslims killing gays —
— “until we figure out what is going on”, or is that Islamophobic?
Jerrysays
Not if you ask Hillary, she thinks we need to “reach out” to muslims. We’ve done enough reaching out with welfare, open borders, and foreign aid. It’s time to stop “reaching” and start defending. No more muslim immigrants is a good place to start.
Jan Aage Jeppesensays
Robert Spencer,
Are you aware that some imams have found a loophole in Islamic Law making it not obligatory to retaliate against persons engaging in homosexual acts?
They declare that homosexuality is a mental illness comparable to permanent insanity, and consequently they should not be punished.
As far as I can see the imams have a point. Classical Islamic Law (Reliance of the Traveler) states clearly in chapter 0 – Justice:
“01.2 The following are not subject to retaliation:
(I) a child or insane person, under any circumstances (0: whether Muslim or non-Muslim.”
Jay Boosays
Muhammad himself declared that Muslims should kill gays.
Jan Aage Jeppesensays
I know about the justifications to kill gays in the Quran and Hadiths. The question is if a reclassification of homosexuality from sin against Allah to insanity will save the perpetrator from punishment?
I suspect that most Islamic scholars will consider this reclassification as an illicit attempt to reopen of the gate of ijtihad.
But I would appreciate to have Mr. Spencer’s assessment and to hear if he had heard of imams using this loophole.
gravenimagesays
Clearly Omar Mateen did not subscribe to this view–nor do the Mullahs, who hang gay people in Iran, or officials in Iraq, who stoned gay kids to death, or the Islamic State, which throws them off tall buildings.
Jerrysays
And are you aware that most islamic scholars readily claim that islam is a religion of peace? But is that true? who cares what a few islamic “scholars” think. It means nothing to the countless gays getting persecuted and murdered for islam. When those few tolerant voices within islam translate into real-world change for the better I might listen. Until then I see no reason for optimism, islam’s hateful intolerance is 14 centuries old. Don’t try to persuade us with one or two barking dogs.
Jay Boosays
@Jan Aage Jeppesen
You address Mr. Spencer by beginning with:
“Are you aware”
But I do not believe you are truly a very sincere commenter as others have clearly pointed out at JW link below.
In that comment you joked about
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34).
“Are you aware” that Jesus is not referring to a literal sword in your out of context quote or was that just an attempt to distort Jesus’ message for your own purpose?
Maybe instead of attempting to educate Mr. Spencer about Islam you could go to the following link and read up on (Matthew 10) so you can be better informed about Christianity before you mock it out of gross ignorance of even the basics .
“Are you aware” that Jesus is not referring to a literal sword in your out of context quote or was that just an attempt to distort Jesus’ message for your own purpose?
Maybe instead of attempting to educate Mr. Spencer about Islam you could go to the following link and read up on (Matthew 10) so you can be better informed about Christianity before you mock it out of gross ignorance of even the basics . http://biblehub.com/commentaries/mhc/matthew/10.htm
Jan Aage Jeppesensays
The question is addressed to Mr. Robert Spencer and not to you. I will not dignity your irrelevant remarks with an answer.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmisays
In addition to bangladeshi muslims , nigerian muslims , indian muslims , we are burdened with rohingya muslims too in India. These rohingya muslims were DENIED entry by bangladeshis.
It was bbc & uk the incorrigible colonizers who made strident noises for decades against peaceful Myanmar with their agent called Aung San Suu Kyi who has a british husband & some children through him all LIVING in uk. The same weary noises on democracyeeee….human rights were being made eventually overthrowing the Native Rulers & installing this Aung San Suu Kyi. british colonizers scream democracy…but in truth it is to lay their hands on all natural resources & enrich themselves. The rohingya muslims were already facing problems with their penchant for taking multiple wives , breeding irresponsibly & insisting on eating all meat , fish , BEEF included. Eventually on being driven out were accommodated by MASOCHISTIC India. It was congress party in power then which allowed them in. It is the same congress party . their allies communists & ex-president a muslim called fakhruddin ali ahmed that distributed requisite documents to all VIOLENT muslims ( tautology) from bangladesh making them bonafide citizens. Their votes procured easy victory for equally VIOLENT communists & congress party. Both had the same objective. To KILL as many Hindus as possible . Congress & communists accomplished this by abetting evangelical conversions in tandem with large scale influx of muslims within.
UK can comfortably accommodate all rohingya muslims in their own royal palaces , cavernous castles & various museums. And UPLIFT them. But wily uk did not do that. ARABS did NOT allow their own co religionists the rohingya muslims in. All indian muslims can be fitted into Saudi Arabia as Daniel Pipes beautifuuly puts it ” ..there is ISLAM , ISLAM everywhere you turn around”. Instead Hindus for the umpteenth time have been arm twisted into building shelters , clothing & feeding them. Soon they too would be afflicted with sudden jihad syndrome & go on a killing spree. Trust the same asinine media to scream ” this is not Islam…this is not Islam…”.
Why does America want to resort to vaccines & genetically modified crops & seeds to depopulate this world ? Instead take the help of no nonsense CHINA asking them to EXTERMINATE all communists of India -the prannoy roys , prakash karats , sitaram yechurys etc etc , the entire indian media – the barkha dutts , sagarika ghoses , rajdeep surdesais , various worthless politicians spread from Kashmir to Kerala , entire film fraternity- the shahrukh khans, shabana azmis , javed akthars , kamalhassans
( right now he is in America with his two daughters shooting one more crappy movie) , mahesh bhatts , karan johars , anurag kashyaps etc etc. They only plagiarize Hollywood movies , French , Japanese & Iranian movies This depopulation is MOST ideal & effective. Water scarcity to food shortages , space crunch , pollution all would come to an end.
linntesays
I understand your anger! Know that Hindu India is in my prayers, as that is all I can do: pray. Blessings to you!
Janakiraman Rajalakshmisays
Thank you.
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
I winced when Spencer used the term radicalized. Radicalized compared to what, the Holy Ko-Ran? I know use of commonly recognized terms is the basis of human communication, but everybody knows what activated means, so why not use the correct and accurate term even when radicalized is introduced by the host? Here’s why not: radicalized, tiny minority, extremists, perverters and all the rest are misleading in the most fundamental and dangerous way.
linntesays
Please trust Robert to know which words to use to get the message to the American people. Trust him!
David Msays
I’m hearing multiple people in the club are saying there were other shooters in the club as well, & they got away. The MSM won’t touch this angle though.
mortimersays
At last mainstream media has realized that only the counterjihadist have their facts right on Islamic subjects, especially the JIHAD DOCTRINE.
linntesays
Thank you Robert! Shared to my Facebook page!
common sensesays
Robert, it was great to hear you and Brigitte Gabriel on the KSFO morning show with Brian Sussman today.
Thanks so much for championing the narrative on countering Jihad and the politics of Islam. You I’ve us a voice the BELIEF that we can over come tis enemy.
People just need to keep hearing the truth that you and people like Briggite speak about the dangers of Islamofacism.
mortimersays
The spinning of the JIHAD AGAINST GAYS by Muslims to blame Christians is reprehensible.
Distracting the American public away from the issues of JIHAD and SHARIA LAW is delusional and willfully blind.
Our Western elites are desperate to protect Islam from criticism because they are bribed by Saudi Arabia.
underbed catsays
6/14/2016 just listened to potus speech about more tolerance and no surveillance of muslims, just what the terrorist need more freedom to plot.
Holy sht it was weird…it really is doctrinal problem and a huge national security problem….I see not need to tolerate this warfare doctrine….it is normal and he knows it. After so many deaths…this is insane.
Know the doctrine know the what is causing terrorism. A little reverse order. Cracks are showing.
Jerry says
As muslim attacks against us increase more people and media are going to turn to Spencer and Geller for help. As islamic ideology continues to wreak havoc in our daily lives their humanitarian concerns and warnings will be accepted as life-saving truths. So many on our lost planet have been desperately clinging to the false hope that somehow we in America will be immune to islam’s bad effects. But our well-intentioned desire to see the best in others can only go so far. Let’s be honest, some people are just bad. And you know the power of religion to influence minds. Now consider islam with its call to “slay the infidel” and you get my point. Murder, bigotry, and intolerance, are the main ingredients of islam, taught as divine truth to the faithful, it’s their political and social guide for living. Did I just make that up? No, you know I speak the truth, it’s in black and white with RED all over.
We aren’t immune to islam’s ideology of hate, we’re as susceptible as anyone else. All muslims are connected with islam to some degree, obviously. We have millions of these people in our nation and more are pouring in. I want to like people too. But I see no gain in lying to ourselves. Muslims live according to a creed that is fundamentally no different from Nazism, both are brutal fascist ideologies and totalitarian in nature. It’s not a “religion of peace.” It’s a violent supremacist ideology with some plagiarized religious nonsense thrown in, it permeates every aspect of their culture, their minds can’t help but be tainted against us. And we are seeing the consequences every day, 9/11 was our muslim “Pearl Harbor.” We should be on “full alert,” not making excuses for the enemy.
~BAN CAIR, they want only islam.
~NO MORE MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS, they pose a grave threat to our peace and freedoms.
~PASS ANTI SHARIA LAWS, sharia is their means of imposing religious discrimination and terror on others.
~NO MORE MOSQUES, that’s where they sustain and proffer their anti-western ideas and JIHAD hatred for “others.”
~NO MUSLIM POLITICIANS, muslims can’t be faithful to their religion and serve America too, they are antithetical. There’s no room for demented Allah in our secular politics.
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THANKS MR. SPENCER! YOU GIVE US HOPE, YOU MAKE US PROUD!
Mockingjay says
If there was a “like” button, I’d click it, Jerry.
Simone Fields says
And me!
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
Vote for Donald Trump.
Idania says
There is little left to say after Jerry. Their “religion/political agenda are in total contrast with our beliefs, with our culture. But it is not a matter of just “difference” this people are taught by their “holy book” that they have to spread islam by all means including killing the “infidels”. All of them believe that evil book is the word of God and feel preassured to obey it to be a good muslim. Islam is a barbaric, ruthless, primitive and cruel set of believe. They will be dangerous as long as they are in the Western World. I do believe that ALL muslims are potential terrorists. The religion of “peace” is a fallacy, I we need to beware.
Jay Boo says
Killing gays is not Islamic.
Therefore Muslims worldwide have come out to strongly condemn their prophet Muhammad’s call to kill gays and insist on a total ban on Sharia law.
The organization CAIR repudiates Muhammad’s attempt to hijack their peaceful religion and advises all Muslims in the US to reject Hillary Clinton’s white-washing of the bigot Muhammad and vote for Donald Trump in November.
Spot On says
The photo of three Muslims…one of them gay in between the other two, all on a roof top with the gay Muslim in airborne head first over the roof’s edge. That is true Islam.
Lawrence says
New developments, seems Mateen was a gay man, a regular at Pulse!! and he used gay apps like Grindr. He sought a gay relationship with at least one man. So now the Islamophile Left is saying it has nothing to do with radical Islam, and the rest of us evil Islamophobes have jumped to conclusions. As usual the idiot Left – desperate to cover for Islam – get it all wrong. Am not surprised the killer was gay or bi, and clearly ashamed of his homosexuality. Who would be surprised he was gay? Yet that begs the question, why was he so ashamed of his homosexuality to begin with? He did not come from a Christian background, but a repressive Muslim background, his father is a Muslim fanatic who hates gays. His self-loathing and shame was learned from his father, and the Muslim dogma that shaped his childhood and upbringing and conditioning. Without the Muslim background, no self-loathing shame that he then projects on other homosexuals, killing them in this act of terror. An unconscious attempt at a perverse kind of ‘redemption’.
And if he was from a Christian background, and did the same thing, and his father was a Christian preacher who called homosexuality a sin punished by hellfire, then I would knock that just as much, without apologetics and equivocation. But point of fact his background and conditioning was all Muslim, and that is what inspired his self-loathing shame that culminated in the violence, nothing else. As such it is not a case of Muslim extremism and self-loathing gay shame being mutually exclusive (as the Left is now spinning it), but mutually reinforcing.
Jay Boo says
Mateen being a gay man is at best a rumor.
Foremost he was a MUSLIM.
Gay is only a secondary issue.
This MUSLIM man may have been a closet homosexual as most MUSLIM men are strangely obsessed with homo-erotic thoughts while simultaneously desiring to be like Muhammad and kill all witnesses.
They Left is trying to identify Muslims as co-victims.
Angemon says
I have a theory. Mateen was trying to lure a gay man so he could kill him in the privacy of his home and get away with it. Since he didn’t manage to do so, he decided to simply kill as many as he could.
linnte says
Naw…if he was gay, the only way to redeem himself in the eyes of Allah, would be to be a Jihadi and go straight to Paradise. If he was gay, the guilt he carried and fear of being killed by his own family would have been unbearable. I bet his father found out about him and gave him the only solution possible. I can hear his father say, “You have disgraced your family and yourself. You will go to hell and possibly drag us with you. I will have to kill you unless you redeem yourself through Jihad against the same people you have betrayed us with”. Kill fifty gays for Allah and BOOM Paradise here I come.
dts says
I think there is a LOT of truth to this. It may not have even been said explicitly, but would it have necessarily had to have been, knowing what they believe?
linnte says
That father is an important person in the life of the shooter. All he would have had to say was “you know what must be done” and yes, a mutual understanding is clearly reinforced by doctrine!
Norger says
I think you hit the nail on the head. As that Shiite hate preacher who spoke at the Orlando mosque in April said, it is somehow “merciful” to kill gays, murdering them allows them redemption in the afterlife. Mateen gets a “twofer;” he’s “helping” his gay victims by murdering them, plus guaranteeing his own place in paradise as a martyr.
Not that any of this has anything to do with Islam, of course….
linnte says
Not that it has anything to do with Islam of course! Hahahahaha! I needed that laugh! Thanks!
Jack Diamond says
Ali Muhammad Brown, in 2014, used the grindr app to lure two gays from a Seattle club and shoot them both in the head. The methodology neither confirms or denies this shooter was himself gay because first and foremost he was waging jihad and any duplicity goes. For that matter, any sex act. He also was apparently scouting other infidel targets, not specifically gay.
Months before in 2014 Musab Mohamed Masmari tried to set a gay nightclub in Seattle on fire, with 750 people inside. It should not be a total surprise that another gay club is targeted for jihadist mass murder. They are not targeted because the killer feels guilt for his sexuality.
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We even have the FBI director showing off his ignorance by characterizing the shooter as mentally confused because he supported disparate jihadi groups while pledging allegiance to the Islamic State. As if they are mutually exclusive. He doesn’t seem to be aware (shi’a) Hizballah trained with (sunni) al Qaeda in camps, that they carried out terrorist attacks in tandem; that (shi’a) Iran funded and trained (sunni) Hamas; that ISIS came from al Qaeda (in Iraq) and still venerates Bin Laden; that some al Qaeda groups (Yemen, Syria) have pledged loyalty to al-Bagdhadi; or, the bottom-line, which is all jihadi groups have the same goal and same Islamic motivation (as do all true Muslims), and that regardless of their bloody schisms and their endless cannibalism, share the same infidel enemy.
Comey also asserted the shooter was not part of a terror network but “self-radicalized” via the internet (not by the Qur’an and Sunnah, by the “internet”), ignoring the actual orders of the very terror network the killer pledged loyalty to, orders issued by the Islamic State for Muslims in America to kill in any way they are able the “disbelievers” they find, even in their beds: “Kill him in any manner, do not ask for anyone’s advice and do not seek anyone’s verdict. Kill the disbeliever whether he is civilian or military, for they have the same ruling…both of their blood and wealth is legal for you to destroy…his blood is like that of a dog, there is no sin for him (the Muslim) in spilling it.” –Islamic State Sept 21, 2014
Nigel GFF says
“An unconscious attempt at a perverse kind of ‘redemption’.”
An interesting observation. Oddly Christian – The Redeemer spilt his own blood to redeem mankind. He gained all for us.
Marteen gave nothing, ‘au contraire’, he took everything. This blood letting will gain him nothing, no personal redemption, only a good roasting in the pit.
linnte says
WE know that, but Islamic doctrine says in Jihad, if the Jihadi dies ALL his sins are forgiven.
Simone Fields says
In Afghanistan the saying goes ‘women are for babies, boys are for pleasure’.
He wanted to absolve himself of his sin and the best way to do that is to martyr yourself.
There was a documentary on t.v. recently, filmed in Afghanistan showing the men grooming boys. woman are shut away indoors, never being in the company of women for any outdoor activity means there is no normal interaction, no wonder the result is an abnormal behaviour.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
Robert Spencer has made a thorough study of Islam. Their religion is violently inimical to all non muslims.
India is one telling example. Whoever comes to power has to necessarily appease the muslims caving in to their demands. Thus various Indian politicians to stay in power uphold muslims’ blasphemy laws.
During the “cartoon riots” against Danish Journalist it was an indian muslim minister called azam khan of Uttar Pradesh who announced an award running into billions for anyone (sic) “bringing the head” of the Danish Editor.
Charlie Hebdo murders by jihadists were defended by Indian journalists sagarika ghose of CNN-IBN. Entire indian media is pro muslim & anti Hindu. Most of them are ostensibly hindus but leftists like American leftists.
During 9/11 , muslims of India maintained it was done by Jews to “malign Islam”.
After roasting alive many Hindus in a train in Gujarat the same muslims said ” the train was set on fire by hindus to malign Islam”. Indian despicable minister called laloo yadav ( a darling of bbc) said Hindus died owing to “self combustible coaches”.
Today also apropos Orlando killings Indian muslims comment along the same lines- that Jews have done so to malign Islam. This is how they talk. And obamas of the world alone relish such drivel.
When Arabs themselves are not willing to let in any muslim migrant , Europe , America & India are coerced into accommodating them.
Lots of Nigerian muslims & bangladeshi muslims spread all over India have been unleashing havoc & media does not report. Instead bbc has the gall to interview some Africans who keep calling us “racists”. Lots of people have been commenting on social media how drug peddling , rape & anti social behaviour is what these muslim migrants have brought in.
Just as Joe Biden idiotically classified them as good & bad taliban , India also misleads us by telling afghanis are good & Pakistanis are bad. India has built some dam & keeps inviting many in the name of medical tourism . Organs like kidneys , liver , eyes , whole arms , hearts get harvested from many Hindus to be fitted into such muslims seeking treatment. These are called “goodwill gestures”.
Robert Spencer & Hugh Fitzgerald alone know no winning of hearts is possible through such masochistic measures. But avaricious doctors become uber rich. And the rich corporates ( health care itself is being run like profits chasing corporate industry) are the influential lobbyists funding elections.
Indian film industry is monopolized by many leftists & muslims. If America & China can jointly disable indian film industry altogether that would be most welcome. Hollywood at least has the liberty to make movies that make Americans feel good about themselves. But all Indian movies have to necessarily glorify aurangazeb , akbar , babur , humayun , jehangir & all moghul rulers. shabana azmis of bollywood enjoy the luxury of donning Hindu Sarees , sporting Hindu bindi on their foreheads but seldom recoil from heaping most vitriolic ridicule on Hindus. Indian film fraternity i& indian media are the most powerful opinion makers flush with money. By pulverizing both , America can tide over its economic crisis . And liberate Hindus like me. We are the highly endangered minority in our own country. So much so recently Hindu Sabha celebrated Donald Trump’s Birthday in India & performed an Oblation praying for Donald Trump’s VICTORY.
Hindus including the present Prime Minister Narendra Modi cannot but appease muslims. If not they would bring in the infinitely worse & incorrigibly corrupt congress party to power. As that is what uk our erstwhile colonial occupier wants. UK is also anti Trump.
gravenimage says
OK–this is just bizarre. Not the post itself, which is very good–but Janakiraman Rajalakshmi was spamming this other thread, *lauding* Muslim terrorists:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/sharia-london-muslim-mayor-bans-body-shaming-advertisements
I have no idea what is going on here–is it possible two separate posters are using this same username?
Jay Boo says
Can we at least insist on a total ban on Muslims killing gays —
— “until we figure out what is going on”, or is that Islamophobic?
Jerry says
Not if you ask Hillary, she thinks we need to “reach out” to muslims. We’ve done enough reaching out with welfare, open borders, and foreign aid. It’s time to stop “reaching” and start defending. No more muslim immigrants is a good place to start.
Jan Aage Jeppesen says
Robert Spencer,
Are you aware that some imams have found a loophole in Islamic Law making it not obligatory to retaliate against persons engaging in homosexual acts?
They declare that homosexuality is a mental illness comparable to permanent insanity, and consequently they should not be punished.
As far as I can see the imams have a point. Classical Islamic Law (Reliance of the Traveler) states clearly in chapter 0 – Justice:
“01.2 The following are not subject to retaliation:
(I) a child or insane person, under any circumstances (0: whether Muslim or non-Muslim.”
Jay Boo says
Muhammad himself declared that Muslims should kill gays.
Jan Aage Jeppesen says
I know about the justifications to kill gays in the Quran and Hadiths. The question is if a reclassification of homosexuality from sin against Allah to insanity will save the perpetrator from punishment?
I suspect that most Islamic scholars will consider this reclassification as an illicit attempt to reopen of the gate of ijtihad.
But I would appreciate to have Mr. Spencer’s assessment and to hear if he had heard of imams using this loophole.
gravenimage says
Clearly Omar Mateen did not subscribe to this view–nor do the Mullahs, who hang gay people in Iran, or officials in Iraq, who stoned gay kids to death, or the Islamic State, which throws them off tall buildings.
Jerry says
And are you aware that most islamic scholars readily claim that islam is a religion of peace? But is that true? who cares what a few islamic “scholars” think. It means nothing to the countless gays getting persecuted and murdered for islam. When those few tolerant voices within islam translate into real-world change for the better I might listen. Until then I see no reason for optimism, islam’s hateful intolerance is 14 centuries old. Don’t try to persuade us with one or two barking dogs.
Jay Boo says
@Jan Aage Jeppesen
You address Mr. Spencer by beginning with:
“Are you aware”
But I do not believe you are truly a very sincere commenter as others have clearly pointed out at JW link below.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/islamic-state-vows-to-punish-anyone-celebrating-spring-festivals-with-20-lashes#comment-1400842
In that comment you joked about
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34).
“Are you aware” that Jesus is not referring to a literal sword in your out of context quote or was that just an attempt to distort Jesus’ message for your own purpose?
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/mhc/matthew/10.htm
Maybe instead of attempting to educate Mr. Spencer about Islam you could go to the following link and read up on (Matthew 10) so you can be better informed about Christianity before you mock it out of gross ignorance of even the basics .
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/mhc/matthew/10.htm
Jay Boo says
Please delete
I accidentally posted the same link twice
Comment did not post
I corrected error and posted it
Jay Boo says
@Jan Aage Jeppesen
You address Mr. Spencer by beginning with:
“Are you aware”
But I do not believe you are truly a very sincere commenter as others have clearly pointed out at JW link below.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/islamic-state-vows-to-punish-anyone-celebrating-spring-festivals-with-20-lashes#comment-1400842
In that comment you joked about
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34).
“Are you aware” that Jesus is not referring to a literal sword in your out of context quote or was that just an attempt to distort Jesus’ message for your own purpose?
Maybe instead of attempting to educate Mr. Spencer about Islam you could go to the following link and read up on (Matthew 10) so you can be better informed about Christianity before you mock it out of gross ignorance of even the basics .
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/mhc/matthew/10.htm
Jan Aage Jeppesen says
The question is addressed to Mr. Robert Spencer and not to you. I will not dignity your irrelevant remarks with an answer.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
In addition to bangladeshi muslims , nigerian muslims , indian muslims , we are burdened with rohingya muslims too in India. These rohingya muslims were DENIED entry by bangladeshis.
It was bbc & uk the incorrigible colonizers who made strident noises for decades against peaceful Myanmar with their agent called Aung San Suu Kyi who has a british husband & some children through him all LIVING in uk. The same weary noises on democracyeeee….human rights were being made eventually overthrowing the Native Rulers & installing this Aung San Suu Kyi. british colonizers scream democracy…but in truth it is to lay their hands on all natural resources & enrich themselves. The rohingya muslims were already facing problems with their penchant for taking multiple wives , breeding irresponsibly & insisting on eating all meat , fish , BEEF included. Eventually on being driven out were accommodated by MASOCHISTIC India. It was congress party in power then which allowed them in. It is the same congress party . their allies communists & ex-president a muslim called fakhruddin ali ahmed that distributed requisite documents to all VIOLENT muslims ( tautology) from bangladesh making them bonafide citizens. Their votes procured easy victory for equally VIOLENT communists & congress party. Both had the same objective. To KILL as many Hindus as possible . Congress & communists accomplished this by abetting evangelical conversions in tandem with large scale influx of muslims within.
UK can comfortably accommodate all rohingya muslims in their own royal palaces , cavernous castles & various museums. And UPLIFT them. But wily uk did not do that. ARABS did NOT allow their own co religionists the rohingya muslims in. All indian muslims can be fitted into Saudi Arabia as Daniel Pipes beautifuuly puts it ” ..there is ISLAM , ISLAM everywhere you turn around”. Instead Hindus for the umpteenth time have been arm twisted into building shelters , clothing & feeding them. Soon they too would be afflicted with sudden jihad syndrome & go on a killing spree. Trust the same asinine media to scream ” this is not Islam…this is not Islam…”.
Why does America want to resort to vaccines & genetically modified crops & seeds to depopulate this world ? Instead take the help of no nonsense CHINA asking them to EXTERMINATE all communists of India -the prannoy roys , prakash karats , sitaram yechurys etc etc , the entire indian media – the barkha dutts , sagarika ghoses , rajdeep surdesais , various worthless politicians spread from Kashmir to Kerala , entire film fraternity- the shahrukh khans, shabana azmis , javed akthars , kamalhassans
( right now he is in America with his two daughters shooting one more crappy movie) , mahesh bhatts , karan johars , anurag kashyaps etc etc. They only plagiarize Hollywood movies , French , Japanese & Iranian movies This depopulation is MOST ideal & effective. Water scarcity to food shortages , space crunch , pollution all would come to an end.
linnte says
I understand your anger! Know that Hindu India is in my prayers, as that is all I can do: pray. Blessings to you!
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
Thank you.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
I winced when Spencer used the term radicalized. Radicalized compared to what, the Holy Ko-Ran? I know use of commonly recognized terms is the basis of human communication, but everybody knows what activated means, so why not use the correct and accurate term even when radicalized is introduced by the host? Here’s why not: radicalized, tiny minority, extremists, perverters and all the rest are misleading in the most fundamental and dangerous way.
linnte says
Please trust Robert to know which words to use to get the message to the American people. Trust him!
David M says
I’m hearing multiple people in the club are saying there were other shooters in the club as well, & they got away. The MSM won’t touch this angle though.
mortimer says
At last mainstream media has realized that only the counterjihadist have their facts right on Islamic subjects, especially the JIHAD DOCTRINE.
linnte says
Thank you Robert! Shared to my Facebook page!
common sense says
Robert, it was great to hear you and Brigitte Gabriel on the KSFO morning show with Brian Sussman today.
Thanks so much for championing the narrative on countering Jihad and the politics of Islam. You I’ve us a voice the BELIEF that we can over come tis enemy.
People just need to keep hearing the truth that you and people like Briggite speak about the dangers of Islamofacism.
mortimer says
The spinning of the JIHAD AGAINST GAYS by Muslims to blame Christians is reprehensible.
Distracting the American public away from the issues of JIHAD and SHARIA LAW is delusional and willfully blind.
Our Western elites are desperate to protect Islam from criticism because they are bribed by Saudi Arabia.
underbed cat says
6/14/2016 just listened to potus speech about more tolerance and no surveillance of muslims, just what the terrorist need more freedom to plot.
Holy sht it was weird…it really is doctrinal problem and a huge national security problem….I see not need to tolerate this warfare doctrine….it is normal and he knows it. After so many deaths…this is insane.
Know the doctrine know the what is causing terrorism. A little reverse order. Cracks are showing.
underbed cat says
It is not radical it is pious sir.