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Video: Robert Spencer: Should we censor ourselves to avoid offending Muslims?

Jun 29, 2016 9:05 am By Robert Spencer

David Petraeus and Larry Summers say we should. I say we shouldn’t, and that to do so is dangerous for a free society. Find out why in this new video.

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  1. biff says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 9:15 am

    It shows how far from our values we have wandered that we would even consider limiting speech.

    Islam is totally intolerant. Islam and Muslims need to join the 20th Century or they need to stay in their shit hole countries.

    Islam is nothing more then a cult.

    Caliphate, Sharia law and all this other crap. Perfect for the middle of the desert.

    This is why Saudi Arabia exists.

    Muslims need to be going to the homeland of Sunni Islam, Saudi Arabia, not flooding Europe and North America.

    A stone age country for stone age people.

    • Carolyne says

      Jun 30, 2016 at 9:26 am

      I will not limit my speech in any way because Muslims might be offended. They offend me every single day of my life. Petraes is a fine one to talk. He had his mistress hidden under his desk at one time so no one would know,. I assume she was reading classified documents at the time. And BTW, it offended me that he would play so fast and loose with my country’s wellbeing. He has no standing to tell me what to do nor does anyone else. The Constitution gives me the right of free speech and midgets or others will not abridge it.

      He offended me with his actions and I don’t care if he isoffended or if I offend every Muslim in the world. Don’t like it Petraeus, tough.

    • MS Case says

      Jun 30, 2016 at 11:10 pm

      Offended???? I am very much offended by a CULT, masquerading as a religion, that promotes murder of family and others who leave the cult or are not believers in their CULT I am most offended by Islam that teaches this to young children who become young men and women then strap bombs to their body and then commit mass murder and then have the gall to say it isn’t murder and that it is authorized and approved in their texts. Offended yes I am. Just can’t understand why it seems not to be offensive to our elected officials offensive enough to say….. enough!!!

  2. mortimer says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 9:19 am

    Western elites do not want freedom of expression, because it is inconvenient for them and for law enforcement. However, to the contrary, it is the duty of law enforcement to defend the law which guarantees freedom of expression.

    A number of American judges have commented on the ‘heckler’s veto’, defined as ‘A controversial position taken by law enforcement officers based on an alleged right to restrict freedom of speech where such expression may create disorder or provoke violence.’

    (source – http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/H/HecklersVeto.aspx)

    -In Startzell, Justice Sloviter made the court’s repugnance for an alleged heckler’s veto clear by adopting these words:
    -“If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government MAY NOT PROHIBIT THE EXPRESSION of an idea SIMPLY BECAUSE SOCIETY FINDS THE IDEA ITSELF OFFENSIVE OR DISAGREEABLE. In public debate our own citizens MUST TOLERATE INSULTING, and even OUTRAGEOUS, speech in order to provide adequate breathing space to the freedoms protected by the First Amendment.
    -“A heckler’s veto is an IMPERMISSIBLE content-based RESTRICTION on speech where the speech is prohibited due to an ANTICIPATED DISORDERLY or VIOLENT reaction of the audience.”

    Similarly, in Hedges, Justice Easterbrook:
    -“The police are supposed to preserve order, which unpopular speech may endanger. Does it follow that the police MAY SILENCE the rabble-rousing speaker? NOT AT ALL. The police must permit the speech and CONTROL THE CROWD. THERE IS NO HECKLER’S VETO. Just as bellicose bystanders cannot authorize the government to silence a speaker, so ignorant bystanders CANNOT make censorship legitimate.”

    • linnte says

      Jun 29, 2016 at 10:03 am

      Hecklers veto. Excellent information Mortimer. Thanks!

  3. Richard says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 9:23 am

    The foundation principles of the Western experience are built on freedom of speech, the legal system depends on it and so does law and order in society at large. To curtail freedom of speech, would be to lay the foundation consequential decline – law and order is an illusion in the West and it stems from freedom of information..

    • Jay Boo says

      Jun 29, 2016 at 10:14 am

      In their would we can criticize Christians for refusing to bake a cake but not Muslims who toss gays off a roof for the religion of hate.

  4. Klaas says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 9:27 am

    If telling the truth about Islam offends them, then we are obliged to offend them. Because the truth must be told to prevent that even more people become victims of this fraud.

    • John Stefan says

      Jun 30, 2016 at 12:55 pm

      Jesus offended the many unbelievers and even those who for a while did follow Him but refused to believe the truth that He spoke. But the truth must be spoken. We are to speak it in love, but it must be spoken even if the 1.6 billion Muslims don’t like to hear it. Tough! Then the Muslim who can’t stand the truth should go to a country where he will be happy. “God, give us the courage to speak the truth in love and then give us the guts to suffer the consequences for having spoken the truth and bless our government that it remains faithful to democracy and free speech.”

  5. mortimer says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 9:28 am

    Freedom of expression is the basis of every good thing that differentiates the Western world. Every military officer should have a thorough understanding of free speech, you would think! After all, soldiers of Western countries have died, not for an abstract ‘peace’, but for the positive values of FREEDOM of religion, FREEDOM of assembly, FREEDOM of speech.

    These values of FREEDOM are non-negotiable. Rivers of blood were shed in their defense. It is incredible that a former military officer like Petraeus fails to understand that. He is not fit for public office, since he does not understand the ‘raison d’être’ of all Western democracies.

    Shame on any public figure who asks us to live on our knees.

  6. Angemon says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 9:42 am

    Should we censor ourselves to avoid offending Muslims?

    Short answer: no
    Long answer: hellllllllllll NO!!!

  7. vivienne Leijonhufvu (@goldaleijonhufv) says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 9:48 am

    We should not censor ourselves for the benefit of an unholy religion like ISLAM instead we should fight it.

  8. fouad says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 9:49 am

    1. Spirituality has nothing to do with our daily behaviors and conduct. Worshipping is a relation between the individual and his/her God.
    2. Society should interfere whenever there is a law violation.
    3. As for cultural diversity, people have to follow one famous rule:” Do unto others as you want others to do unto you.”

  9. Jay Boo says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 10:01 am

    RACIST and SEXIST

    By using the very RACIST and SEXIST expression “Angry White Males” as a stereotype and code word to imply racist motivation to anyone who criticizes Islam, NPR is provoking White Males to violence.

    NPR must stop this very offensive hate speech provocation. They should realize they are only playing into the hands of those who criticize carpet kissing Muslims.

  10. Michael Copeland says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 10:03 am

    Thank you for another useful video.
    On a technical note the sound quality could take a little improvement.

  11. linnte says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 10:07 am

    Thanks Robert! This old woman appreciates you!

  12. duh swami says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 10:08 am

    When confronted by a bully, don’t make him mad…Instead fall on your knees and beg him not to hurt you…if he want’s your money and your daughter, give hem to him…Maybe, if you’re lucky and he will kill you last……

    • ProudAmerican says

      Jun 29, 2016 at 11:24 am

      DS – I was making this same analogy the other day on another site. That’s a lesson I learned a long time ago. I.E. you may not want to fight, but that won’t stop the bully from bringing the fight to you. Only way to stop a bully is to teach them a lesson.

      They’ve already brought the fight to us and no amount of denial is going to make it go away. I think more and more people are waking up to this reality. I think at some point a majority in the free world will have to become resolved to win this fight!

      Unfortunately, under the current New World Order they are trying to bamboozle us as our brothers and sisters die, in USA and around the world.

      To me the scary thought isn’t of offending stinking Mudslime POS thus inciting them to Jihad. No, to me the scary thought is continuing with this madness until tragedy befalls us on a truly epic scale. It seems like that’s what it’s going to take to get that majority to finally open their eyes and find the resolve to eliminate the enemy! Or when that happens are we going to be so weakened and infiltrated that we capitulate and accept our new masters?

    • Carolyne says

      Jun 30, 2016 at 9:47 am

      Our government seems to be of the opinion that if you don’ offend Muslims they won’t hurt you. Nothing could be further from the truth.. They will consider you scared little bunnies and will hurt you a lot. I consider that of Petraes and his ilk. Obama is a different matter. He is a Muslim and it is his religious duty to destroy us not matter what we say or do.

  13. Troybeam says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 10:12 am

    Censor our speech to appease Islam, No way in hell will I ever give up my free speech to appease Islam. Islam does not respect anything even their own when they have different views of the Koran.

    If the idea of censoring speech to appease Islam appeals to you than keep this in mind, it does not apply (censorship) to Islam.

  14. Ren says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 10:18 am

    Bigotry of islam ought to be encouraged for the truth about islam must be set forth.

  15. Jay Boo says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 10:24 am

    Trump made a mistake.
    He said (ban all Muslims) until we figure out what is going on.
    It is obvious from the context that he was referring to Muslim immigration.

    He was not talking about banning Dr. Oz.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/famous-muslim-celebrities/

    • Carolyne says

      Jun 30, 2016 at 9:57 am

      I would mean Dr, Oz. I knew his parents before they moved back to Turkey and I knew him as a baby. I also know that he left the US to serve two years in the Turkish army. Apparently that is a rule to keep his Turkish citizenship. I thought serving in a foreign military could be cause for some kind of penalty, but it seems it sis never used. He was born in Maryland, so is an American citizen by birth, who served in a foreign military.

  16. Jay Boo says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 10:28 am

    In my above link Micheal Moore has a sign saying:
    “We are all Muslim” in front of Trump Tower.

    Will he stand in from of the Pulse Gay Nightclub in Orlando with a sign saying:
    “We are all Gay”?

  17. Jerryj says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 10:59 am

    The left’s attitude of appeasement is far more dangerous than our speaking in truth about islam’s jihad doctrine. They send the bad message that islam’s intimidation works, that we can be cowered into silence. The left won’t even acknowledge islam is the source of muslim terrorism, nor do they offer effective solutions in dealing with it. Their approach is conciliatory toward muslims committing violence for islamic doctrine, but critical of those who speak against it. The left is feeding muslims’ bully mentality, self-censorship will only lead to more bullying. By denying the facts the left is facilitating the spread of islamic oppression and murder. They would rather destroy our sacred right of free expression than allow us to speak ill of islam’s jihad doctrine and the violence it’s causing.

    But I won’t be silenced, and the more they say we should “shut up” the more I talk. Nobody tells me I can’t speak against murder and violence, hate and bigotry, for religion or any other reason. It’s the appeasers and apologists who are guilty of hate rhetoric. Their defense of islam is in effect hate speech toward good people who are against it. The tactics of these lying snakes is to deny deny deny, and to protect the belief system of a people who have made the entire world an object for spiritual and political conquest. These traitorous scum should be removed from power. And the muslims they protect should be considered a threat to our nation’s security and cultural identity, if not on an individual level then on a collective one. And by the way, there’s no shame in wanting to protect our cultural identity. They love theirs so much they bring it wherever they go, their religion preaches murder to protect it, and they do it. A moratorium on muslim immigration seems rather innocuous by comparison, don’t you think?

  18. Kay says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 12:13 pm

    There is a problem with calling for a ban on Muslims. It’s that people aren’t trying to understand; they’re trying to confuse and polarize. There’s an ignorance, willful or not, about the unprecedented numbers planned to come in. People don’t know. So they don’t have enough context and they don’t listen, being all too ready to blame the messenger.
    There’s also too much ignorance about what has been happening in Europe. That seems organized in part by the media but most Americans are still unaware.
    Bowing to the bullying characterization of being called Islamophobic etc is like appeasing any abuser. It might work in the short run but in the long run the abuse spirals up.

  19. UriahB says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 12:13 pm

    These daily reports are getting more and more sinister. PC will be written as a part of the Bill of Rights. It will nullify freedom of speech. Somehow if Hell a ry is elected she will attempt to get this passed. We are in deep sh*t.
    AIRAHS. Spelled backwards. All Into Ramadan Are Hateful Specimens. I am trying my best to be tolerant. But at this point, I am afraid we are up the creek with no paddle. We are (not on this blog) blind to reality. We need you Donald. But you need to do your part when elected. Enuf is enuf! I urge anyone who can to get your arms and be ready to repel the barbarians of the 21st century, 19th century, and so on, We must prevail!

  20. eduardo odraude says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 12:48 pm

    Here is a list of links to many news stories in which public figures in the West, teachers, artists, comedians, journalists, writers, and politicians, admit to self-censorship because of death threats and violence from Muslims:

    http://quotingislam.blogspot.com/2011/06/are-lights-going-out.html

    Anyone who reads all those stories and still ridicules Trump’s proposal just does not give a damn about free speech.

  21. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Jun 29, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    Technically, this presentation is sub-optimal: the speaker’s eye movements show that he is reading from the text of a teleprompter than is off-center from the viewer, and the sound has an “empty room” timbre. Personally, I would prefer to just read the text (and could do so more time-efficiently than listening to its recitation).

  22. Jim Funderburgh says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 2:46 am

    Mr. Spencer. I’ve read a couple of your books & visit your web site daily. Just wanted to say, keep up the great work!

  23. bostongal912 says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 3:04 am

    Hell no we shouldn’t censor ourselves! I speak out every chance I get! If Muslims can’t handle the truth too bad! When you’re repeating lines right out of the Quran there’s not a lot they can say! I don’t worry if it will offend Muslims or anyone else for that matter! More people need to know what that hateful book they worship says! They also need to hear the words of the so called prophet and the horrors he committed! Why is there free speech except when it is anything about Islam! Obama with his “the future doesn’t belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”. Please give me a break!!!

  24. TH says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 3:15 am

    If Muslims are given to rage at what they don’t like to hear and have recourse to violence, it is not our fault, but their problem. How come that Islamic jihad by muslims is our fault?

  25. Debi Brand says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 3:49 am

    “…Spencer: ‘Should we censor ourselves to avoid offending Muslims?'”

    Hell no.

    In the video clip of Spencer and Patraeus, on the right, wise and courageous man; on the left in Uniform, foolish and cowardly man.

  26. aaron morand says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 9:48 am

    How offensive is carpet bombing? I mean if there isn’t anyone left to complain?………

  27. Ninsuna says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 11:22 am

    I’m offended by Islam. Jihad … beheadings, bombings, various forms of murder…. child brides and sex slaves…. rape, sexual assaults, oppressed women wearing burkas and hijabs…. criminalization of homosexuality punishable by death …. taqqiya …. prejudice against dogs (God’s most perfect and noble creation) …. all the whining about “Islamophobia” after another Muslim has just horribly slaughtered people….

    There are countless reasons I’m offended by Islam. Yet it just won’t STFU and go away.

  28. Ninsuna says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 11:30 am

    I failed to add to the list, Islam’s rampant and unrelenting Jew-hatred, another reason I’m offended by Islam. (And I’m Christian, not Jewish.)

    Much more is unmentioned, but that one is huge.

  29. Greytigertx says

    Jun 30, 2016 at 12:06 pm

    PC at its best. I for one could care less if Muslims are offended. I am offended by their attitudes, lack of morals and filth. I am also offended by their made up ” religion “. Muhammad was a perverted old con man and his followers are no more than moronic stooges.

    • Carolyne says

      Jun 30, 2016 at 8:31 pm

      I will go further and say I enjoy it immensely when a Muslim is offended.

      • Lynette says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 11:30 pm

        I enjoy as well. I never spell moslum correctly as I was told it annoys them, I never use Capital letters for islam, koran, palestine for anything or anyone islamic also the same for obama, kerry, clinton’s etc but always will when I say Christianity, MrTrump! My small effort of showing my complete lack of respect and belief in. Petty I know but makes me happy.

  30. Kay says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 12:40 pm

    http://www.therebel.media/exclusive_audio_eyewitness_confirms_migrants_raped_five_year_old_idaho_girl

    witness speaks in Idaho

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