“The building was one of a number of Catholic churches on a terrorist ‘hit list’ found on a suspected ISIS extremist last April.” So we have a church that was on a jihad hit list and a jihad killer who was monitored by police, and still this happened. Why weren’t there guards at the church? Because authorities probably didn’t take the hit list seriously, or are so overwhelmed by the magnitude of the threat that they can’t place guards at every location that is threatened.
And that’s what the Islamic State wants: to overwhelm the system with so many jihad attacks like this one that the system cannot keep up, and collapses.
Meanwhile, why do the jihadis have a hit list of Catholic churches? Because they consider Christians to be unbelievers (cf. Qur’an 5:17, 5:72), and think that their god has commanded them to make war against Christians and subjugate them (cf. Qur’an 9:29). This points up vividly the absolute failure of the Catholic Church’s ongoing attempts to engage Muslims in “dialogue.” Bishops and imams are chatting away all over, and still the jihad against Christians continues, because it is based on Qur’anic imperatives, and those cannot be talked away.
“Hollande says France is at war with ISIS: Islamist knifemen chanting ‘Allahu Akbar’ behead French priest, 86, and leave nun fighting for her life after storming Mass – before police shoot them dead,” by Peter Allen and Julian Robinson, MailOnline, July 26, 2016:
…The two killers were ‘neutralised’ by marksmen as they emerged from the building, which is now being searched for explosives. French president Hollande said France is ‘at war’ with ISIS while the terror group has claimed responsibility for the killing.
It comes as it emerged that the building was one of a number of Catholic churches on a terrorist ‘hit list’ found on a suspected ISIS extremist last April.
There are also reports that one of the attackers was a local resident who was under electronic tag surveillance having been jailed in France for trying to travel to Syria in 2015. His bail terms allowed him to be unsupervised between 8.30am and 12.30pm – the attack happened between 9am and 11am….

jihad3tracker says
WHEN WE THINK OF THIS SMALL SIZE OF FRANCE — AS COMPARED TO OUR HUGE UNITED STATES — THE PEOPLE THERE MUST BE ON THE VERGE OF A NATIONAL NERVOUS BREAKDOWN.
NO FARTHER THAN A COUPLE OF HOURS’ DRIVING DISTANCE FROM ALL OF THE JIHAD ATTACKS SINCE CHARLIE HEBDO — KNOWING HOW CLOSE JIHADIS ARE TO THEIR VILLAGES AND CITIES.
And, that, my dear friends, is EXACTLY what this tactic of individualized slaughter is brilliantly designed to accomplish — constant vigilance, emotional exhaustion, a ceaseless OFFICIAL national state of emergency.
harbidoll says
Its round-up time.
Tom Davis says
Considering the large number of Muslims in the French Army, just who will be doing the round-up?
underbed cat says
“Considering the number of Muslims in the French Army”…we have the same problem….and considering the number of muslims in the U.S. military, in the administration, and in health care, the massive migration of refugees, the quotas, the visa’s , the insane Iran treaty,the lawsuits against the economy(companies) ……I guess there are reasons Obama can’t name the doctrine of the enemy as he runs the misinformation campaign…right on target with great skill and it shows world wide.
panda says
It’s past roundup time. The first time one of these ‘peaceful people’ hick-ups, shoot him/her. This has gone far beyond decency. Nice of the ‘marksmen’ to have shot him AFTER the fact.
gravenimage says
This is what happens to a nation that hits 10% Muslim population.
Wellington says
Indeed, gravenimage. As bad as having some 1-2% of a Western nation Muslim, when it hits 10% things go into exponential mode. God, Islam is so disgusting.
gravenimage says
Yes, Wellington–there is a well-known list of how the danger from Islam mushrooms with each increase in the Muslim population.
Abu S J. says
IT IS THE RELIGION OF PEACE INDEED. RELIGION OF PEACE!!
EUrope will pay dearly for pretending that islam is peaceful religion.
Peggy says
And they still believe in open borders because “it has nothing to do with Islam”.
One day, soon I hope, people are going to revolt and hand these traitors from the nearest pole.
Dom107 says
I think the French people need to get rid of their government and install a wartime government which is not afraid of suspending some of the liberties we like to have in the west.They have unwittingly let people into their country who do not share their values and worse still want to overthrow them.If the French government is not seen to be tackling effectively this terrorism the French people will engage in counter terrorism and many more innocent people will suffer and die.Unlike Northern Ireland where tit for tat terrorism went on at a high level for three decades there can be no negotiated solution here because the enemy wants to totally Islamify France and the world.
The wishful thinking must stop we are dealing with a ruthless enemy which must be wiped out.Needless to say there should be no further Islamic immigration and those illegals at Calais must be sent back to their countries of origin.I don’t think the present Prime Minister and President have the guts to do this.They like Germany Sweden UK Denmark etc are in denial and paralysed from doing what needs to be done
DP111 says
Well, think of Israel, which is far smaller then France, and has had to suffer far greater number of attacks for more then 5 decades
linnte says
Horrifying!
Christianblood says
linnte
What the murderous muslim jihadists are doing to Christians in the islamic world daily is even more horrifying and right now the jihadists started doing the same thing in the West. The real worrisome thing is that apart from the clueless politically-correct establishment authorities no one is opposing them in a meaningful way and this will only encourage more and more of them to carry out more murderous horrifying jihad attacks on the clueless civilians who have no idea of what is hitting them! (graphic video below)
http://shoebat.com/2016/07/24/horrific-brutal-massacres-being-done-by-islamic-terrorists/
Dov Berrol says
Indeed. It really is miraculous that Yisrael has survived surrounded by these barbaric people. And not only survived, but flourished into a beautiful, dynamic pluralistic, modern country. It may have its problems, but it is truly a bright spot in a dark part of the world.
William Han says
I live in a country with a Muslim majority and I wonder why Europeans accept muslim immigrants. Why ???
Ignacious says
Where is the outburst of empathy we saw as “Je suis Charlie”, “I am Paris”, etc… Here we have an old priest of the ever riduculed Catholic Church and nobody goes to the streets to show empathy. Same with the atrocities happening to civilians in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. It’s all spinned by the politicians and mainstream media. Wake up folks !!
Bob says
And where, Ignacious, is the scream of horror, and the condemnation of such a barbaric act from the useless, useless, islam-dominated United Nations?
Carolyne says
I find it incredible that our FBI had the names of terrorists on their watch list–those who perpetrated the Boston Marathon bombing, Orlando, San Bernardino and other acts of violence, including information about Hassan trying to convert American soldiers, and yet they were unable to stop them. But they can devote two years to Hillary Clinton’s crimes and conclude they were not crimes. Just what do they do?
One supposes they are still trying to determine the reasons that these Muslims were violent. If they don’t know by now, they never will.
Loretta Lynch (Appropriate name)wants to prosecute those of us who criticize Islam–we are her worst fear, so she says—yet she meets with the husband of the target of an FBI investigation secretly on her airplane and explains that they only talked about their grandchildren and golf. Coincidentally, of course, that target was exonerated the next week by the FBI. One supposes the Justice Department is still investigating the circumstances of the teacher who reported the “Clock Boy” with an eye toward a prosecution. “See something, say something” will get you in a lot of hot water from our government.
Annak says
We are lost when our own security services are incompetent or complicit with the enemy. Either way, we are doomed.
R Cole says
This Islamic threat thing has been on the horizon for ages – instead the French and other western leaders chose to focus on the hocus pocus ‘Islamophobia’ – in the hopes that this will all just go away.
In these times it’s clear we need a different sort of leader.
One who will not seek quick-fix solutions in restricting hard won rights – but sees the importance of upholding them.
Budvarakbar says
Forty plus years ago – I had a Scotsman tell me that “WOGS begin in Calais” – EFF Frwance and Germany better pull its collective head out and team up with the Slavs before it is TOO DAMN LATE!
Ex-muslim says
I keep wondering as to why ordinary citizens of France and other Western countries are not taking the law into their hands and defend their people from the bloody islamic jihadist killers who are living among them?
Remember CAR people? An African country who rose up and rid themselves off the well-armed islamic militia known as (Seleka) who ruled them using clubs, rocks and knives! What the hell is wrong with the Western men/societies?????
Carolyne says
Because the ordinary citizens of France and other Western countries have been disarmed and have no weapons with which to defend themselves. Only Muslims and law enforcement have the weapons. Muslims use them, law enforcement is prohibited from doing so. If Hillary Clinton is elected, we too will be disarmed and our Constitution demolished by a left-wing anti-American Supreme Court appointed by the Clintons.
MM says
Europe should learn from the Old Testament: Sirach 12:
3 No good ever comes to a person who gives comfort to the wicked; it is not a righteous act.
…
5 Do good to humble people, but don’t give anything to those who are not devout. Don’t give them food, or they will use your kindness against you. Every good thing you do for such people will bring you twice as much trouble in return.
…
15 An enemy will stay with you for a while, but not when trouble comes. 16 He will speak fine words while he plots how to trap you. He will pretend to share your sorrows, but he will kill you if he gets a chance. 17 If trouble comes your way, you will find him waiting, ready to trip you up while he pretends to help you. 18 He will be a different person then, rubbing his hands, nodding his head, and spreading rumors about you.
linnte says
So will Hollande release the list of targeted Churches so they can at least defend themselves? Good LORD give them strength to fight back!
Cecilia Ellis says
Great question, Linnte. Others might be:
Did French security services, last April, bother to advise the diocese in which this church is located and the local pastor that this church had been designated as a specific target by ISIS?
Did this church conduct a Muslim dialogue program?
Was the church air-conditioned?
dumbledoresarmy says
*Every* church in France should assume it is on the list and take appropriate steps. Don’t wait for the Authorities. Find and hire NON-MUSLIM security guards; or call for patriotic volunteers willing to do it for free or for a nominal sum (there *must* be some Catholic veterans around who would be able to assist or able to train others). Synagogues have had to have advanced security measures for *ages*; now the Christians are finding they have to do the same, so they should have a chat to their Jewish brethren and get some tips. And… invest in some good guard dogs, with a handler.
Perhaps Marine Le Pen should add to her campaign platform a proposal for robust Israeli-style protective/ security measures for *all* non-Islamic places of worship in France: churches (whether Catholic or Protestant), synagogues, and Buddhist temples (there are, I understand, a few of those, because of immigrants from Indochina).
Further note: it’s probably way past time that, all over every western country that has a sizeable mohammedan Fifth Column, *every* church and other Infidel place of worship is going to have to take steps to up their security measures. Assume you are or could be a target. This church and its priest, in France, were not, so far as I can tell, particularly prominent. It’s not as if it were Notre Dame de Paris, or the Cathedral of Chartres. So if you attend St Bloggs in the Suburbs, *don’t* assume you’re safe.
Every jihadwatcher who is a member of *any* non-Islamic religious body – Jewish, Christan, Hindu,. Buddhist, Sikh – *ought* to be raising this matter; asking the question – *what if* what happened to the Har Nof synagogue in Israel (Muslims with axes and guns) happens here?” “*What if* what happened to the priest in France just now, happens here?”
Jack Diamond says
“This church and its priest, in France, were not, so far as I can tell, particularly prominent.”
The church is a French heritage monument, first. Then, when Sid Ahmed Ghlam was arrested in April 2015, (after he called an ambulance in Paris when he accidentally shot himself), authorities found a cache of weapons in his car, parked nearby, and in his residence. They also found he was in contact with a French speaking ISIS member in Syria who had ordered attacks on churches in France, including the Sacre-Couer basilica in Paris and the church in Normandy.
That the Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray was targeted was known to authorities, yet it was left unprotected and, perhaps, not even warned.
Then, to complete a circle, this church in Normandy is next to the Yahiya mosque, best known for having as a member a French jihadist who became an ISIS headcutter, MAXIME HAUCHARD. This town was in the news once before recently when it was revealed the executioner in an ISIS video from Syria (beheading Peter Kassig and 18 Syrian captives) was a local resident, Maxime Hauchard.
Now it turns out the murderer of Father Hamel, ADEL KERMICHE, who was being monitored with an electronic ankle tag for twice attempting to join the Islamic State, was a friend of Maxime Hauchard. “French security sources said Kermiche met former Catholic Hauchard, now 24, close to his home village of Le Bosc-Roger-en-Roumois, in Normandy. It raises the possibility that Kermiche was inspired by Hauchard to carry out Tuesday’s attack in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray. ” (Daily Mail July 27)
Was this also known by authorities?
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*For a sickeningly typical portrait of a jihadist as a misunderstood youth, alienated by his host culture, “brainwashed” by a “cult” whose motives have absolutely nothing to do with Islam
(nice parents after all; a French “Professor of Islam” to say ISIS appeals to those who know nothing of Islam–even though Hauchard goes off to Mauritania to specifically to get “stricter” religious instruction, before he goes to Syria); a care worker saying “youths here have no support. If you’re alone and isolated, maybe that’s an explanation (for Hauchard).”
As if that is a reasonable explanation for CUTTING OFF PEOPLE’S HEADS.
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-french-jihadist-20141129-story.html
Jack Diamond says
I neglected to mention that shortly before his arrest, Glahm had put three bullets in the head of poor Aurélie Châtelain, attempting to carjack her vehicle. Glahm was a scholarship IT student who lived in “an ultra-modern student apartment building” in Paris. Hardly a case of poverty and lack of education and opportunity forcing youth into the arms of “radicals”, yet here we have what should be a poster boy for multiculturalism and Muslim assimilation, turn out to be a cold-blooded killer wanting nothing more than to wage Jihad and leave for Syria, as he posted on social media. Oh, and with a girlfriend/confederate who only went about in public dressed in a niqab. I guess he is a poster boy for something after all.
John A. Marre says
So that’s it now. A Muslim murders a priest in a church. This is what the world has come to? An elderly man who had dedicated his life to God and peace is brutally murdered by slime yelling their favorite Muslim death chant!
Yes, that’s it, and I want all Muslims kicked out of this country! Enough! I’ve had it! This is too much! Every last one of them out of here! I don’t care where they go! Get out!
And the enabler in chief out along with them! I don’t care where he goes! Send him to Kenya!
No more murders in the name of Islam! I’m tired of hearing the word Islam! It means murder, death and destruction!
mortimer says
Everyone is on the front line of jihad. Everyone.
Jack Diamond says
This has been happening for years, elsewhere. Now the West has brought it into their back yard.
At the Church of Our Lady of Salvation in Iraq, in 2010, jihadis broke into the church service, shot the priest dead where he stood, and then murdered 60 parishioners. Murdering Christians in churches has become common in North Africa.
So has desecrating churches, crosses, & cemeteries come with the large presence of Muslims in Europe. Crosses enrage Muslims. In Muslim majority countries wearing a cross can get you murdered or disfigured with acid thrown in the face:
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2015/06/20/islamic-hate-for-the-christian-cross/
“I’m tired of hearing the word Islam! It means murder, death and destruction!”
The whole world is getting tired of hearing the word Islam.
gravenimage says
And now this is here…
SpiritOf1683 says
Yes. People in the West weren’t bothered whilst Israeli citizens were being targeted for murder by Muslim savages, but now its happening in Western Europe and the US. Its time to realise we’re in the same boat as the Israelis and started fighting back.
Wellington says
You paint with too broad of a brush, SpiritOf1683. Many, many Americans, by the millions and millions, have been very much bothered by the savagery Israel has had to endure from Muslim barbarians. The single greatest friend of Israel in all the world over the past several decades has been the Republican Party of the United States of America. Name me a greater ally of Israel than the Republican Party of my country. I say no one can.
To be fair, many non-Americans in the West have also been stalwart allies of Israel, for instance the previous Prime Minister of Canada, Steven Harper (as well as many Canadians). And there are still millions in Europe who grasp quite well that Israel is the canary in the coal mine of Western Civilization and, if Israel goes, the darkness it will mean for the West will lead to the blackest of nights.
To be fair to you, there are, sadly, many in the West who don’t understand that Israel should be supported because it is the only free country in the Middle East and because when the evil of the world go after the Jews, it’s only a question of time before the evil come for many others as well. As an example of this indefensible ignorance, it saddens me that the Democratic Party here in America is increasingly taking on an anti-Israel stance (the Black Congressional Caucus, entirely an arm of the Democratic Party and a national disgrace across the board, has been particularly egregious in this regard). But then the Democratic Party in general lost its collective mind long ago.
gravenimage says
I’ve always cared about the Israelis, SpiritOf1683. In fact, it was the unrelenting violence against Israel that first led me to suspect there was something very, very wrong with Islam.
Mirren10 says
John A. Marre says :
”Yes, that’s it, and I want all Muslims kicked out of this country! Enough! I’ve had it! This is too much! Every last one of them out of here! I don’t care where they go! Get out!
And the enabler in chief out along with them! I don’t care where he goes! Send him to Kenya!”
**How** I agree with you. Unfortunately, before we can bring about this ”consummation devoutly to be wished”, we first have to 1) Make islam a foul ideology, even more than the KKK, so that adherence to this vile and evil religion is something any decent person is ashamed of. 2) In order to do *this*, we have to keep pushing under the noses of everyone who keeps whining, ”but not all muslims do this”, the facts of islam and jihad.
Considering the number of jihad attacks in Europe, over the past few days, one would think this wouldn’t be such a difficult exercise; but never underestimate the wilful blindness of those who would rather see their whole civilisation disintegrate, than be ever accused of ‘islamophobia’, or ‘racism and bigotry’. 3) As much as I would *love* to kick out all muslims from the West, it’s not, unfortunately, as simple as that. We, in the West, have evolved deep and complex ideas about human rights, tolerance, etc, etc. It is entrenched in our laws, and our society. We just have never, in living memory, come across a religion that spits on all this, in fact, comes right out and says our beliefs and mores are something to be destroyed. Who was it who said, if we refuse to learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it ?
In fact, that is what is happening now. The history of islam is one of bloody conquest. The Middle East, North Africa, Southern Europe, India, on and on and on. And those who dare to govern us, have ignored, and refused to learn, from that history. They may have other motives; some of them may believe they are acting from humanitarian motives, some of them may have other reasons. God knows.
4) In order to deport all muslims from the West, we are going to have to (i) change our laws. I’m all in favour of this, but it isn’t something that is going to happen all in a minute. Before that happens, there has to happen a gigantic change in how islam is perceived. What is happening all over Europe, right now, may be conducive to that.
5) In terms of deportation, there are obvious practical questions. Where, exactly, are we going to deport them *to* ? There is no international law, that I am aware of, that will force *any* country to take in nationals from another country, that they don’t wish to take in. So, why don’t we just ship them all off to any muslim country at all, and see what happens ? The result of course, would be a maelstrom of international screeching and screaming, diplomatic incidents, probably declarations of war. What country will be the first to brave all this, and take the consequences ? I have no idea.
No, the very *first* thing that needs to be done, is a recognition, all over all civilised societies, that islam can never co-exist with decent societies, and that it is an evil, anti-human creed.
Wellington says
Completely agree, Mirren, on what has to be the first step, i.e., identifying Islam, all of this damn effing belief system, as a giant negative. No more crap about radical Islam v. Islam, or Islamism v. Islam. The whole damn religion is rotten and, at best, a Muslim is a confused human being (not one exception here) and, at worst, simply evil. Then we go from there.
But you can’t go from “there” unless this first step Is taken. You grasp this. I grasp this. So many who post here at JW grasp this. But very good and smart people who know at some level of consciousness that Islam is not right, still don’t fully grasp this. About time they do.
Mark Swan says
Yes this must take place—everyone must grasp the truth about this—now.
John Stefan says
Yes! God help us all to be ambassadors to the truth and then God help us to pay the consequences for doing so, i.e. to endure the name calling and even worse.
Whitehotanger says
I feel your anger and your pain.
Let God hear your words and give brace men the spirit to cleanse the US of the curse of Islam forever.
Dom107 says
Yes the “soldiers” of Daesch are so brave.Killing and attempting to kill an old harmless priest and some nuns.They didn’t put up much of a fight against the French police who are not well served by their weak government
mortimer says
Churches and synagogues need to have off-duty cops and those who possess a carry permit seated near the back of their worship venues to interdict jihadists. Jihadists will not know which congregant is armed.
James McNulty says
Just won’t work. I believe there are 35,000 churches just in France.Many are small. I think this church had 5 members celebrating mass.
Do the math. 35,000 churches, times 24 hour coverage, times 365 days per year – about 150,000/200,000 policemen to cover – hardly practical. And then, you have all the other targets where people gather..
You would be better off to tell the populace that the Govt. and police can no longer protect them and that all citizens be trained and armed to respond immediately when terrorists appear wherever citizens might be. T
The present system allows the citizen to call AFTER an event. They come to clean up the dead and wounded, to take photos, and make diagrams. They DO NOT PREVENT THE CARNAGE. You are stupid if you think the current police system will protect you.
Ginger says
Surely it can’t be beyond the wit of the security services to advise churches to install a panic button just beneath the altar.
linnte says
France already has military wandering around and not enough cops. This is forcing Europe to become a policed state! How horrible they have to live like this! The answer is deport Muslim migrants!
dumbledoresarmy says
a few good guard dogs wouldn’t be a bad idea, either.
Hounds of Heaven.
In East Africa – either Kenya or Tanzania or Uganda – a Christian pastor was saved from Muslim attack because the Muslim assassins who were sneaking up to his church and rectory to attack him were rumbled by his dogs. Presumably, big ones with big sharp teeth and Attitude Plus. It was dark, so I guess the would-be assassins couldn’t see exactly where the dogs might be, and seemingly, though willing to hack at or shoot a priest, weren’t willing to try their luck with a bunch of dogs. And of course the dogs were barking loudly, so the element of surprise had been lost. (One hopes that this African priest had a good old double-barrelled shotgun or that if he didn’t at the time, that he has gotten one since).
linnte says
Dogs are our gift from God!
harbidoll says
Not long ago I read here that Muslim nation leaders said they wouldnt go after our individual “troublemakers” if the leaders (religious & political) Denounced the troublemakers publicly & took steps to stop others. That could be the ONLY reason our leaders are saying the same such delusional things. I think they ALL have a gun to their heads plus the financial situation of the West.
gravenimage says
This has more to do with “political correctness” and willful ignorance than a coordinated threat against Western leaders. Besides, many ordinary people in the West are enmired in the same denial. Do you think that every naive fool out holding a “Welcome Refugees!” sign also is doing so because they have a gun to their head?
Angemon says
Is that so? When does he plan on addressing the ideology driving ISIS? What plans does he have to stop its spread on French soil?
R Cole says
He says the French should learn to live with such attacks.
Very unlikely Hollande will survive the next election.
Keys says
Exactly, Angemon. So far the plan is to react in some way after the attack and make sure the attackers clans are protected from any hate speech or bacon droppings.
No leadership; and worse, stifling-obstructive-incompetent leading from the behind.
Jay Boo says
“What Difference Does It Make”
‘Moderate’ Muslims are indifferent and sometimes even appear to openly support the jihad bloodbath.
They do not see this as THEIR problem.
They walk about a bit taller and prouder as the Islamic inspired slaughter continues.
Muslims are knee deep in blood as they adjust their kuffi caps to pray..
Imagine, just for a moment, that an imam were beheaded in a mosque.
These same Muslims would bristle with angry indignation and attempt to steal some moral high ground.
Finally, Obama and his contingent of Leftist lapdogs would bark and yelp on cue to show the Muslim world how much they were horrified.
Budvarakbar says
There is absolutely – NO) SUCH THING as a moderate Muslim — wise up!!
Mark Swan says
He put that in quote—believe me Jay Boo is plenty wise enough.
Jay Boo says
Thanks Mark
I am surprised that Budvarakbar ignored the rest.
My Guess:
Either an accident from a skimmer or a deliberate diversion from a troll.
gravenimage says
True, Mark.
mortimer says
So, Pope Francis, how is the appeasement of Muslims going?
خَليفة says
This is the kind of inter-faith dialog the Muslims are hoping for.
R Cole says
It seems the Islamic State attackers forced the Normandy priest to kneel as they cut his throat – and filmed the attack.
Cecilia Ellis says
Savages!
Rafael says
They tried to force him to kneel, but there’s reports that he fought back and that’s when they murdered him. He’s a true martyr.
linnte says
Damn those men to hell! And I mean it! A helpless priest is forced to kneel before Satan worshippers and sacrificed! It makes my blood BOIL!
gravenimage says
And this priest was an 86-year-old man. What brave “Lions of Islam”…sarc/off
Mark Swan says
Yes an 86 year old, and where is the international outrage here in the Media.
vcragain says
“I’m tired of hearing the word Islam! It means murder, death and destruction!”
I know – I think we are all sick to death of this cult – all those little Muslim guys thinking their group are fine & don’t know why we are so fed up should examine what it is they are following – THEY need an education as do all our leaders trying to pretend there is no problem – that is what they will do to try & stop the public from being scared, and our problem is that we know there are morons out there with guns only too happy to go on a rampage & be just and much of a damned nuisance as the terrorists. THAT is our bigger problem, how to control the ‘nuts’ in our midst, of whom occasionally some arrive in these comments ! We have to convince the powers that be that they should start considering a new policy about this threat to civilization, without letting our militants -who already have their guns cocked & ready to shoot- go bananas & create an even bigger problem, with no way to stop them once they get the crazies going ! I am trying to make people listen, but it is hard !
James McNulty says
Don’t worry about our “nuts”. They have the pedophile savage murders in their sights. Don’t worry of course unless you are one of these dark aged knuckle draggers.
Those who try to preserve your society and institutions will have to be your saviors as politicians will not save you. They will permit you wives and daughters to be raped and sold.
Budvarakbar says
Politicians are nothing but pandering a$$holes
kidrock says
Pope Francis is in Poland and Im wondering if he still going to push through in calling poles and other east european countries, that are not yet consumed by Political correctness from Western Europe, to accept more refugees. And we should correct the media in their comment section that it was beheaded not that priest’s throat was slit.
El Cid says
Note: The New York Times obfuscated the method of the crime, beheading.
I guess this was necessary least someone draw the conclusion that the act was Islamic.
ninetyninepct says
A reminder – Mrs. Bill Clinton promises to import over 600,000 potential terrorists in the first 4 years if she is elected.
Lynn in Florida says
I agree with harbidoll. The French government may lack the resources to monitor every mosque and every potential terrorist but they could blockade the neighborhoods where Muslims live and restrict the movement of people in or out of them.
dumbledoresarmy says
And if necessary, cut off the power and water… and the welfare payments.
linnte says
They wouldn’t have to monitor every Mosque at once. Have the computer randomly pick through and if the Imam’s are aware they might be monitored, it will make them paranoid! I kinda like that idea?
falafel_akbar says
What is your source for the priest being beheaded, besides a faulty translation of the word “égorgé”? Please don’t start running stuff without fact-checking just because it fits the narrative. One of the reasons I continue to read this site is that, comments section aside, it tends to avoid printing assumptions and alarmist half-truths and sticks to facts. The facts scary enough without having to compromise credibility for added sensationalism.
Jack Diamond says
Daily Mail Online called it a beheading. Obviously it’s real important to you whether his throat was just cut or his head came off. One is somehow less Islamic a crime? Less “sensational”?
AP reported “the terrorists took video as (they)“did a sort of sermon around the altar, in Arabic. ”
Based on history with ISIS it’s not much of an assumption it was either a beheading or attempted beheading of a priest, as has been done many times in Syria and Iraq. If they were “just” cutting his throat this changes what? Striking at their necks and cutting the heads off the enemies of Allah & Muhammad comes from what texts of what religion, “falafel”?
gravenimage says
You don’t consider a priest having his throat cut to be alarming?
harbidoll says
Daily Mail, Brietbart. & Jihad Watch. Course they all could be copying each other. (sigh)
Ginger says
They are getting their information from the same news agencies, that’s why they seem alike. First reports are often in error in the speed of the moment. Print newspapers have time to wait in order to sort out myriad reports and to publish the correct version.
Budvarakbar says
” and to publish the correct version.”
Which is typically worse than the original ‘sanitized’ internationalist version
gravenimage says
Jihad Watch almost always names their news source. In this case, it was indeed the Daily Mail.
Vicky says
Jesus gave us not only the parable of the Good Samaritan which the Pope loves to quote, but also this advice: “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” (Matthew 7:6)
harbidoll says
AMEN !!
gravenimage says
Notice that the person the Good Samaritan helped did not then attempt to cut his throat…
Cecilia Ellis says
Awesome and powerful comment!
gravenimage says
Thank you, Cecilia.
Kay says
Nor did the Samaritan take him to his own home. He helped him where he was.
common sense says
We are all waiting for some real resistance, this can’t go much longer. Robert has predicted a civil war of sorts yet these jackals prowl aound and follow through on their rhetoric. Back to sleep.
harbidoll says
Just read Germany just passed stricter gun laws!!
Budvarakbar says
When “guns are outlawed” — ONLY: “Outlaws will have guns” — pretty damn simple concept!
Rober Powers says
Yup! and no one in the church was armed…because of France’s restrictions on handguns….etc…I am willing to bet that if it was attempted in the USA, that at least a few of the people in the church would have been “carrying” and hopefully would have limited the actions of the Islamic terrorists….
gravenimage says
France: Church where priest was beheaded was on jihadi hit list of Catholic churches
…………………
Did anyone warn this church?
Which other churches are on this list? Will they now be protected?
And yes–who but Muslims would have a hit list *of churches*?
Budvarakbar says
“And yes–who but Muslims would have a hit list *of churches*?”
The putrid to the core US demo-COMMUNIST party!
gravenimage says
I’m less and less a fan of the Democrats, but it is not American Democrats who are beheading priests.
Jay Boo says
Budvarakbar you sound a little bit like ex-Muslim in your comment on this article.
Always remember that:
The main cause of these beheadings is the rotten filthy disgusting Serpent of Satan Beast Muhammad and his slimy manure called Islam.
harbidoll says
What will happen when we want to put Mosques on a terror lists? Will it be forbidden by the dodo & ostrich birds in the Govt?
William says
People on ISIS kill list in America were never notified by FBI. The government dysfunction is not confined to France.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/FBI-americans-ISIS-kill-list/2016/06/28/id/736116/
gravenimage says
True. One of those who found out–no thanks to the FBI–that she is on ISIS’s kill list is staunch Anti-Jihadist Pamela Geller.
Cecilia Ellis says
Yet, what did the Dominique Lebrun, Archbishop of Rouen, have to say? Well, he described the murderers and the slaughtered priest as “victims.” Here is the statement issued by The Archbishop:
PROVISIONAL TRANSLATION IN ENGLISH
From Krakow, I have learnt with sadness of the killing this morning at the Church of Saint-Etienne du Rouvray. The three victims: the priest, Father Jacques Hamel, 84, and the authors of the assassination. Three other people were injured, one very seriously. I cry out to God with all men of good will. I would invite non-believers to join in the cry! With the young people at WYD, we pray as we prayed at the tomb of Father Popiulusko in Warsaw, assassinated during the communist regime.
The Vicar General, Father Philippe Maheut, is on location since the beginning. I will be tonight in my diocese with the families and the parish community which is very much in shock. The Catholic Church cannot take weapons other than those of prayer and brotherhood among men. I leave here hundreds of young people who are the future of humanity, the true ones. I ask them not to give in to the violence and become apostles of the civilization of love.”
http://us13.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b8f1d493cefaaeaba3b94bcfd&id=9df58b5d61
TH says
The jihadis killed an 84 year old priest by chopping off his head and this mindless bishop calls them victims, because they were shot by the police. Does he realize that these murderers could have gone on to kill others. He is a Dominican, he ought to study St. Thomas Aquinas on justice and the death penalty.
He is a disgrace.
Cecilia Ellis says
TH, indeed! Ironically, when Lebrun issued his statement, he was In Krakow, Poland, on the eve of World Youth Day, soon to be joined by Pope Francis. However, the Poles are not so willing to throw out the red carpet for the Pope, with one reason being Polish concerns about Muslim “refugee” immigration.
The following article is quite enlightening:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/07/26/on-eve-pope-francis-visit-to-poland-country-refuses-red-carpet-treatment.html
gravenimage says
Many non-believers (non-Christians) will also cry over this atrocity. How many *Muslims* will, though?
Walter Sieruk says
The Muslims who compose that jihad entity ISIS hate Christians. The ISIS jihadists don’t really care if that person who professes to be a Christian is a Catholic or a Protestant The members of the Islamic “state ” hate them both . One of the reasons why the Muslims who compose ISIS are so much against Christians is that some Christians teach the Bible with its many doctrines to others. The Bible that is so very damaging to Islamic doctrine that the Muslim clerics sand strongly against the people obtaining Bible’s. For example, Islamic [Koranic] doctrine denies the Jesus is God. In other words Islam denies the Deity of Christ. Nevertheless, the Bible teaches “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.” Colossians 2:9. [N.I.V.] Moreover, the Jesus is God may further be seen in the Bible. As in, for example, John 1:1-3. Colossians 1:15-17. Romans 9:5. Second Peter 1:1. Titus 2:13. First John 5:20. In addition, for a person to further find out that Jesus is God all a she or he has to do in to compare the Old Testament with New Testament to see that Jesus is God. AS by comparing Isaiah 45:22, 23 with Philippians 2:5-11. Likewise by comparing Psalm 89:8,9 with Matthew 8:23-27. Will also confirm that Jesus is God. Also by comparing Psalm 62. 5-7.with First Corinthians 10:4. Just by comparing the New Testament books together will like show that Jesus is God .For example, comparing John 5:22. with Romans 14:12 shows the Deity of Christ. The list can go on but this should be enough for anyone who is willing to see, and not as those who Bible calls those who are willingly ignorant, II Peter 3:5., that Jesus is God. The imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam will try to “explain “ all this away by making the claim that the Bible had been corrupted by Christians, through time, and that’s why the Bible reads as it does. This claim they make very much underestimate the Power of God to preserve His Word and keep it safe and intact and away from the corruption of men. In conclusion, The Muslim clerics strongly dislike the Bile because the Bible greatly exposes the terrible doctrinal errors that Islam with the Koran as Islam’s foundation have concerning the nature of Jesus. Likewise the Bible exposes Islam as a false religion, Isaiah 8:20. Proverbs 14:12. All Muslims be they jihadist /ISIS Muslim or non-violent peaceful Muslims are invited to turn away for the false religion of Islam and come to and receive the real Jesus of the Bible. Who is the True Light to the world, John 8:12. and the only way to God the Father , John 14:6.
Ciudadano says
This church was not protected, like many other catholic churches, because the police and army have their hands full protecting mosques all over France (AFP).
Carmel says
A minute ago, I was watching BFM-TV (France) , a lady from the La Croix catholic magazine was saying that french catholic are not gone to get in a war religion with muslims, that the inter-faith dialogue was so fruitful , we have to continue etc… And she added that the mosque in Roubray was built succesfully because muslims received gracefully the land for it from the catholic parish. So , as you see , troubles are not over in France.It seems nobody is doing the educational work on Islam that need to be done so all know what is Islam and what it stand for .
SpiritOf1683 says
The troubles aren’t over in France. Far from it. This is just the beginning. 2017 promises to be worse than 2016.
gravenimage says
If nothing changes it certainly will be.
Mark Swan says
Yes it will be
Carlos says
The pope is educating his followers to love Islam. When the blind lead the blind they both go into the ditch.
Rene_ID says
The France government does not even attempt to protect its people. As many other western goverments, they use the (import of) muslim savages to break the national spirit of its true native non-muslim population and destroy its borders,cuture, values and social cohesion, in order to push forward its true evil intentions of a world without borders re cheap labor (mere slaves) and uncontrolled capital creation and boundless self-enrichment.
At present there is no (western) government and no multinational business (sector) and no supranational organization who does not pursue and implement this apocalyptic policy.
So in order to defead islam, the common people (voters, taxpayers, employees and familymen) must first revolt against its own governments, corporations, banks massmedia and global institutions.
This means the fight of the people is virtually impossible to win…
But there will be a moment in time, when a critical portion of the people will reach its breaking point. This will be when they have more to loose then to gain by keeping silent and obedient.
When the taxpayer cannot longer pay more for its own demolition, when the voter will not longer voice its own abolition, then they will fight back.
So it is not just fear what keeps them from revolting, as the enemy is not just islam. The group of people in Europe and America who sees what is happening is growing, and they are trying desperately to protect their family and assets and morals in a world where every institution they once believed in has abandoned them.
But they will not revolt and use any means necessary, until one draws the conclusion that that is the only option left to survive or die with dignity.
One cannot win the war against islam without first removing the western goverments who use islams’ medieval beliefs and its barbaric members to subjugate the civilized people.
But they (knowingly or not) unleased a monster they surely cannot control.
To freely quote Churchill: it is feeding the crocodile, hoping it will not eat them
Dave munson says
Why aren’t the parishioners armed?
gravenimage says
This mass was being said for a small group of elderly nuns. Probably not going to be armed…
linnte says
Graven, this is so sad. When I was little, all I wanted to be when I grew up was a Nun.(gramma was not Catholic so this kinda rattled her). I have always had a special place in my heart for Nuns.
gravenimage says
So have I, Linnte. I very briefly attended a Catholic school–family finances then sadly changed–but I loved the nuns.
One of these nuns was badly injured by these Jihadists and is in the hospital fighting for her life. Send thoughts and prayers.
And one of the kidnapped nuns was able to escape and notify the police. As awful as this Jihad attack was, it was intended to be much, much worse.
God, I hate Islam.
Mark Swan says
Did You Two Ladies Ever watch the Movie Lilies of the Field
—Excellent Movie, in every way. I keep a copy in my Movie Collection.
linnte says
No Mark, I have not but I will look it up. Thanks!
gravenimage says
Mark, I first saw that movie on television as a child. Excellent film.
Mark Swan says
Yes it is a 1963 film and I have watched it several times already, just for the feel good value. Take care You two.
Carlos says
No guards at a Christian church because why?
Muslims are a special protected class who share the same murderous tendencies as our Allinski-ite pres and the worldwide leftists.
There is a government supplied cop car at a mosque near me. Thanks Obama and Lynch.
Kay says
Why is there a cop car? Have there ever been threats against the mosque?
Champ says
“The building was one of a number of Catholic churches on a terrorist ‘hit list’ found on a suspected ISIS extremist last April.”
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And the dangerous and dysfunction Pope doesn’t care! No, he’s too busy enabling evil islam. What a coward!
Richard Paulsen says
Hope that all priests are afraid now. Telling everyone islam was not dangerous. Hope everybody telling people islam was not dangerous are afraid.
Hope they are as afraid as those they have been cheating all the time.
Gary says
How sad that the people who did so much to repel the early Islamic invasions of Europe in the 8th and 9th centuries are now so cravenly surrendering. Their Norman and Frankish ancestors will be turning in graves.
SoliDeoGloria says
After having massacred countless Christians in the Middle East (while most Catholic, Protestant & Eastern Orthodox so-called leaders have been turning their backs on fellow brothers & sisters; while these hollow Christian shepherds have preferred to enter into dialogue, find common ground of understanding, wash & kiss the feet of “migrants”), militant and godless Islamists are now entering another phase: a new wave of violence & hatred striking at the very heart of what they despise above all else: Christianity. Why? Because the kernel of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the first and final Word that exposes the false god, the false prophet and the false religion for what they are: lies of the ancient serpent.
Sadly, this atrocity will be the first of many; the European secular humanists who have jettisoned biblical Christianity and replaced it with godless rationalism, don’t have what it takes to stand up to, let alone reject, the Islamic advances.
May the Lord watch over and protect His own.
linnte says
Amen
Mark Swan says
Yes
citycat says
84 years old, he fought back, brave soul.
He will be looked after on the other side. There’s no doubt.
He will guided into the world of souls to be with those of his ilk.
This brings to mind the scene from “Star wars”
where Darth Veda kills Obeone.
This priest could now become very dangerous to Islam.
I hope so.
Cecilia Ellis says
This news article has just been posted, warning the UK that similar attacks are coming there, as well as to Washington, DC. Churches in the London have been alerted by UK authorities that ISIS has stated that London will be next.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-warn-london-next-attacked-8500399
gravenimage says
Repulsive–but not surprising. Thanks for the link, Cecilia.
sham says
Killing innocent is a symbol of ignorance [lack of religious knowledge]:
Muslim :: Book 34 : Hadith 6458
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: (When) the time would draw close to the Last Hour, knowledge would be snatched away, turmoil would be rampant, miserliness would be put (in the hearts of the people) and therewould be much bloodshed. They said: What is al-harj? Thereupon he said: It is bloodshed.
2:85. After this, it is you who kill one another and drive out a party of you from their homes, assist (their enemies) against them, in sin and transgression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their expulsion was forbidden to you. Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
5: 28. “If you do stretch your hand against me to kill me, I shall never stretch my hand against you to kill you, for I fear Allah; the Lord of the ‘Alamîn (mankind, jinns, and all that exists).”
Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith 4158
‘Abdullah b. (Mas’ud) reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The first (thing) that will be decided among people on the Day of Judgment will pertain to bloodshed.
Prohibit killing non Muslim with peace agreement:
8: 72. Verily, those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard and fought with their property and their lives in the Cause of Allah as well as those who gave (them) asylum and help, – these are (all) allies to one another. And as to those who believed but did not emigrate (to you O Muhammad SAW), you owe no duty of protection to them until they emigrate, but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, and Allah is the All-Seer of what you do.
9: 4. Except those of the Mushrikûn with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqûn
“God forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you
not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing
kindly and justly with them: for God loveth those who are just.”
(H.Q. 60:8)
“God only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you
for (your) faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support
(others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship
and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumst
ances), that do wrong.” (H.Q. 60:9)
CAN MUSLIM KILL AGED PEOPLE?
Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
Do not kill women or children or ”””””an aged””””””’, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
SoliDeoGloria says
Sham, a very good job in hand-picking (out of context) pronouncements from your book.
You put forward rather shambolic (pun intended) arguments, pushing only half the story. You conveniently leave out countless other verses that mandate those of your kind to do away (torture, rape, massacre, behead and/or cut in pieces – take your pick) with my kind.
I’ll grant you Sham, you’ve got “courage” to put forward your views on this, of all sites, JihadWatch!!
Your fellow-islamists’ action shout far louder than your convoluted book and your fumbled arguments.
Mark Swan says
Ol’ Sham sure chose the right name.
Champ says
😀 😀
Champ says
I don’t think that “sham” is courageous–he’s a COWARD for not stating the TRUTH about muhammad and islam.
linnte says
Sham is a coward for not reading all of the Qur’an, but using hand picked sura to assure himself that what he is doing is righteous. He has no rock to stand on.
SoliDeoGloria says
Champ, that’s why I wrote “courage” as I did 🙂
Champ says
SoliDeoGloria, yes, I know you were being sarcastic, but “sham” is so dense, I don’t think that ‘he’ knows that. 😉
Take care!
Cecilia Ellis says
Sham wrote: “Killing innocent is a symbol of ignorance [lack of religious knowledge]:”
Sham, as your copy-and-paste comments are of no value to Jihad Watch readers — who, by the way, are not the ones slitting the throats of Catholic priests or stabbing elderly nuns — please take the initiative to send them to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Having earned his Ph.D. at al-Azhar University in, of all things, Islamic theology, the presumed “Caliph” will be mortified to learn that his mandated “killing [of the] innocent is a symbol of [his] ignorance.” Likewise, as the Supreme Leader of Iran — Ayatollah Khamenei — appears to be equally ignorant, it would be a nice gesture on your part to provide him a copy of your comments. Better yet, arrange meetings with both the “Caliph” and the Ayatollah so that you can personally explain to them how they misunderstand Islam. They will be mesmerized, I assure you.
Jack Diamond says
They recognize no “peace treaty” of course, with France, or the rest of us, nor do we qualify as “innocent”in any way, the Islamic authority can do what he wishes, per shari’a, with “captives” including killing them, and how old was Abu ‘Afak when Muhammad ordered him killed? Over one hundred. What sex was ʻAṣmāʼ bint Marwān when Muhammad ordered her killed? Female (and pregnant).
Sham is a sham and a scam and should scram.
Cecilia Ellis says
Jack, exactly! Indeed, I had originally intended to specifically mention both Muhammad’s prominent example in breaking a treaty and the fact that we infidels, as “the vilest of creatures”, are never “innocent”. I ultimately decided that expending any further effort, in replying to Sham, would be futile. Thanks for picking up the slack.
Jack Diamond says
Exactly right Cecilia. Even if there were a peace treaty it would be a “nudge nudge wink wink” peace treaty they know they can abrogate when it is to their advantage (as they can with any oath), modeled after Muhammad. Absent a peace treaty, their (non-Muslim) “blood and wealth” are for the (Muslim) taking, according to Muhammad. But Sham apparently ran out of the space to include that information, like he did Allah’s love for beheadings and human sacrifices, like he did Allah’s marching orders to make war & to slaughter (and terrify) his enemies, the disbelievers.
I don’t blame you for not wanting to expend effort on poor Sham. Like kicking a dead mule.
Champ says
“Sham is a sham and a scam and should scram” …with his spam!
lol! 😀
linnte says
I have the perfect way to get rid of Sham once and for all! Let US send his comments and misuse of Quranic scriptures to Al Bagdadi and Kohomemi ourselves. We will never hear from Sham again. Isn’t that SAD?
Cecilia Ellis says
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Keys says
Your words and lenghty quotations are unconvincining, sham.
What is convincing are the actions of followers of Mohammad, who proclaim “Allahu Akbar” as the imitate your prophet in word and deed, in these days and throughout your “religion’s” murderous, jihadic history spreading misery and death, not peace, upon hundreds of millions of souls.
Kay says
Maybe you believe all that Sham. Then stand up to those “ignorant” who do wrong and teach them.
Or listen to the God and Father of all: I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life.
And then teach them.
SpiritOf1683 says
We know that to a Muslim, innocents are fello Muslims. Non-Muslims are filthy kafirs. You can’t lie to us here, so off you go parasite.
gravenimage says
Weasely cut-and-paste Da’wa artist sham wrote:
Killing innocent is a symbol of ignorance [lack of religious knowledge]:
………………………….
But, of course, sham’s pious coreligionists do not consider a “filthy Infidel” like this priest to be “innocent” at all. After all, he and the nuns have rejected Muhammed and have “associated partners with Allah”, and so deserve to die.
More:
Muslim :: Book 34 : Hadith 6458
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: (When) the time would draw close to the Last Hour, knowledge would be snatched away, turmoil would be rampant, miserliness would be put (in the hearts of the people) and therewould be much bloodshed. They said: What is al-harj? Thereupon he said: It is bloodshed.
………………………….
But as orthodox Muslims see it, knowledge was not “snatched away” from these Jihadists in their targeting Infidels. They were acting on the basis of Islam.
More:
2:85. After this, it is you who kill one another…
………………………….
“One another” only refers to other Muslims–not to worthless Kuffar.
More:
…and drive out a party of you from their homes, assist (their enemies) against them, in sin and transgression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their expulsion was forbidden to you…
………………………….
This only chides Muslims from kidnapping and ransoming other pious Muslims. Doing this to Infidels has never been forbidden.
More:
5: 28. “If you do stretch your hand against me to kill me, I shall never stretch my hand against you to kill you, for I fear Allah; the Lord of the ‘Alamîn (mankind, jinns, and all that exists).”
………………………….
This is the story of Cain and Abel–it has nothing to do with Muslims being prevented from murdering unbelievers.
More:
Prohibit killing non Muslim with peace agreement:
8: 72. Verily, those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard and fought with their property and their lives in the Cause of Allah as well as those who gave (them) asylum and help, – these are (all) allies to one another. And as to those who believed but did not emigrate (to you O Muhammad SAW), you owe no duty of protection to them until they emigrate, but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, and Allah is the All-Seer of what you do.
………………………….
Actually, we *are* giving Muslims asylum and help–but it is not enough. The above refers to the “Ansari”–those who not only helped Muhammed after he made the Hijira to Medina, but who then converted to Islam and helped him conquer the city and make it his base.
A priest in France–even if he had personally aided Muslim immigrants–would *not* be protected by the above.
More:
9: 4. Except those of the Mushrikûn with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqûn
………………………….
The Islamic State has no such treaty with France–French Infidels are–quite obviously–fair game.
More:
Do not steal from the booty,
………………………….
The witless sham has posted this here many times–just confirming that while Muslims are not supposed to steal from each other, that stealing from the filthy Infidels is perfectly Halal.
Besides, the main point, as always, is *this*–if sham *really* believed that his fellow Muslims should not be beheading elderly priests, he would be off admonishing them for “misunderstanding” Islam, not spamming the good Infidels here at Jihad Watch.
Cecilia Ellis says
Graven, you have far more patience than I in responding to Sham. Given time, Sham will copy and paste every Hadith contained perhaps in some 30 volumes, with each unique subject listing done so without so much as a hint as to what website from which he plagiarized that list. Nevertheless, your responses superbly unmask the lies that Sham has no problem proclaiming. ?
Mark Swan says
She dissects his nonsense very well, and shows it for what it is.
Benedict says
So now the ISIS killed an old French Priest. They have earlier beheaded an Arab Priest. And the damn Pope has gone to Poland with a life jacket in his hand to tell the Poles to take in more immigrants. He has also conveniently declare this year as year of the immigrant. What a bloody fool he is. Playing to the gallery and forgetting his religious duties. His condemnation of the killing is lukewarm. He would like to kiss a few more Muslim feet. The white houses’s Muslim president has also not said anything and that idiot Kerry too has kept quiet. Most of all the commie president of France spoke some monkey phrases, a bloody monkey that he is
Nelson Taylor Sol says
If one of these guys was under surveillance but unsupervised till noon, it only proves that the “ISIL is at war against France” rhetoric is meaningless. Since politicians and their family members are surely well protected, eventually citizens will have to be able to arm themselves as the only means of self defense.
Kay says
I’ve seen the escaped nun’s description–thank you to who posted the link. The Pope or Archbishop should send an exorcist there.
Roxy says
It was only a list. Islam=peace
linnte says
The word “Islam” means SUBMISSION, not peace.
MArc says
Media in Europe still didnt report about the list!