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Germany: Leftist pol raped by Muslim migrants, lied to police to avoid encouraging racism

Jul 5, 2016 8:50 pm By Robert Spencer

“She now says people must never ‘twist the truth’ even if it is politically expedient to do so.” If the Left in the aggregate took her advice, it would have to close up shop. Lying because it is politically expedient is the hallmark of the Left’s approach to the Muslim migrant inundation, and to the jihad threat in general.

Selin Gören

“Left-wing German politician who was raped by migrants admits she LIED to police about her attackers’ nationality because she did not want to encourage racism,” by Allan Hall, MailOnline, July 5, 2016 (thanks to Milad):

A young left-wing German politician has admitted she lied to police about the racial background of three men who raped her in case it triggered reprisals against refugees in her country.

Selin Gören, the national spokeswoman of the left-wing youth movement Solid, was attacked by three men in January in the city of Mannheim where she works as a refugee activist.

The 24-year-old was ambushed late at night in a playground where she said she was forced to perform a sex act on her attackers.

After the assault she went straight to the police – but she did not tell them the ethnic make-up of the men, that they were speaking Arabic or Farsi.

Selin, aware of the backlash that migrants suffered after the events in Cologne on New Year’s Eve – when hundreds of women were sexually assaulted and robbed by marauding gangs of immigrant youths – instead said she was robbed and said her attackers spoke German.

Now she has told Germany’s Spiegel magazine why she lied. After her initial interview at the end of January she returned to the police 12 hours later to tell them the real story.

She said a friend talked her into going back to the police with the real story because another woman had been raped in the area – an accusation later retracted by the alleged victim.

Selin, who has visited refugee camps in Iraq where she was shocked at the squalor people are living in, did not want to stoke ‘more hatred against migrants ín Germany.’

To help her cope she wrote an open letter to a fictional refugee and posted it on Facebook. It read in part: ‘I am really sorry that your sexist and line-crossing treatment of me could help fuel aggressive racism.

‘I’m going to scream… I will not stand by and watch, and it can happen that racists and concerned citizens name you as the problem. You’re not the problem. You’re usually a wonderful human being who deserves as much as any other to be safe and free.

‘I will not stand by and watch and let it happen that racists and concerned citizens name you as the problem.’

She now says people must never ‘twist the truth’ even if it is politically expedient to do so….

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  1. marc says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    she should be charged with wasting police time, and accomplice to any further rapes carried out by the savages.

    • Hindu American says

      Jul 5, 2016 at 9:03 pm

      Nope. She should be charged with perjury, misleading the course of justice and concealing vital information.

      • Ken says

        Jul 5, 2016 at 9:32 pm

        Hah! Hindu, it’s worth noting that had she been raped by white natives and deliberately given an incorrect description of her assailants as being “middle Eastern”, then she’d likely be facing “hate crime” charges.

        • Hindu American says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 6:16 am

          By her name, she sounds Turkish (muslim). Maybe that’s why she was caught in an ideological dilemma. Darned if you do (report), darned if you don’t (report).

      • cs says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 4:47 am

        Yes, she is obviously a racist against whites.
        It is ok to rape if you are a muzzie, that is the motto.

        • carpediadem says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 6:55 am

          Can we please stop this spurious “white” nonsense?

          It is Muslim vs non-Muslims. Most Muslims who are not black or oriental are “white”/Caucasian, despite their tanned skin.

        • Najwalaylah says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 9:42 pm

          She’s definitely anti-German.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 10:33 pm

          True, carpediadem.

        • Ted Tyler says

          Jul 7, 2016 at 1:15 pm

          Yes, carpediadem, sort of a variation on: “Don’t judge by the color of your skin – but rather by the content of your character”.

      • Shane says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 10:36 am

        Hindu, the message that this story is sending is that LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER! She was raped by muslim men because they believe that they have the right to rape any Western woman. My God, there is no hope for these liberal loons!

        • R Crocker says

          Jul 7, 2016 at 6:59 pm

          Shane – Every time I begin to believe that no conceivable kind of left wing delusion could surprise me I run into a story like this one. You’re right Shane, I see no hope whatsoever that this leftist self-hatred and mass delusion will turn around in the future. Most western nations are run by those of the same mindset including the greatest country that ever was. This destruction of the West will continue apace when Hillary takes the White House as seems likely to me. Our populace is dumber and more disconnected than ever and with the loony left in total control of our educational system – the entertainment industry and 95% of our media how could this decline ever be reversed? Shane, it’s not only these liberal loons for which there is no hope.

      • Mike says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 10:43 am

        Now that she’s ‘fessed up, she should be left alone.

        She’s probably well on her way to becoming a conservative. Give her time.

        “A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged.”

        used to be the saying.

        Replace “mugged” by “raped” and it’ll be the new saying.

        • Carolyne says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 1:19 pm

          She should not be left alone because she committed a crime. I assume filing a false report is a crime in Germany. But the important point is that these three animals are free to do this to another German woman and it is her fault that they are still on the street. She is responsible for the lack of safety of other women and should be ashamed of that, if nothing else.

        • Ted Tyler says

          Jul 7, 2016 at 1:25 pm

          Let us hope that with her bad experience, her views will now get more closely aligned with reality. Be aware that it takes some degree of courage to admit that you are wrong and then to go about to correct your errors.

      • Christianblood says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 5:53 pm

        Why demonize this young and naive lady when the whole Western world believes in the same politically-correct views about the islam and muslims? The establishment elites in the West adore muslims and islam while they hatefully demonize and vilify the real victims of islamic jihad such as the Christians and the Yazidis and other citizens who dare to speak out against the evils of islam.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 7:54 pm

          Christianblood posted:

          “Why demonize this young and naive lady when the whole Western world believes in the same politically-correct views about the islam and muslims? ”

          Citation needed, oh great mind-reader! Since I know you won’t give any (because you can’t), I might as well point out how demonstrably false that is: Germany birthed PEGIDA, an anti-islam movement that spread to other European nations.

          I guess “whole” just means something else entirely different in Russia… BTW, do you still get paid even if your posts are counter-producing?

        • Western Canadian says

          Jul 7, 2016 at 8:56 pm

          And the paid russian troll again comes by, to gloat over the success of the russian stealth jihad, committed over decades. The destruction of Western educational structures, and their replacement with West hating indoctrination centers, the subversion of the media into a pack of bought of, ignorant whores, etc.

          He is VERY proud of what his country has done.

      • MS Case says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 11:11 pm

        Hey Hindu American……That statement would fit Hillary clinton….. Oh I’m off topic, sorry bout that just couldn’t resist

        This woman finally gets it but too late to make a REAL statement.

      • KansasGirl says

        Jul 19, 2016 at 7:32 pm

        Then why report the rape at all?
        These people put us all in danger. smh

    • Hector Archytas says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 4:11 am

      Not her fault about lying as she probably think it is unlawful to describe somebody with racial attribute with teh current politic propaganda. She just went to work without her hijab.

    • Tom says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 7:41 am

      She should be charged with filing a false police report.

      Much bigger problem I encountered recently here in South Florida. We have a fairly large British population here and their socialist views are impacting opinion here. Many of these folks absolutely believe there is no Muslim problem in the world, but a lack of policing the criminals! A woman firmly told me these crimes have nothing to do with Islam and are the work of a vocal and visual criminal group.

      I walked away shaking my head and really wondering about the future of the United States.

      My question: how can these folks see this problem with such a child like mentality?

      • c matt says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 9:51 am

        Because they have child-like minds. They need to take St. Paul’s advice, put away childish things and grow up.

      • Shane says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 10:53 am

        Tom, over 90% of liberals feel the same way about Islamic terrorism having nothing to do with Islam, even Megyn Kelly on Fox News believes Islam is a religion of peace being hijacked by radicals. Young Americans have been brainwashed into believing that jihad does not mean holy war and that Islam is no worse than any other religion.

        • Carolyne says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 1:22 pm

          You are right about Megyn Kelly, Shane. A couple of months ago she had as a guest a man who had been a Muslim, but became a double agent working for our side. He merely read some verses of the Koran to her. She asked if he were reading from some terrorist manual. When he said, no, he was reading from the Koran, she looked shocked and quickly changed the subject.

          There are none so blind as those who will not see.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 10:35 pm

          And yet, by MSM standards Megyn Kelly is actually far more Anti-Jihad than most.

  2. Jaladhi says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    Lefty politics corrupts the mind to the point one will lie to fit the narrative. We are seeing this all over the world. One should be more concerned about what lefty liberal politicians are doing to their own country!

    • Norwegian says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 5:31 am

      Leftism is constructed on lies. Lies is all they know. They will protect their lies and denial of reality with the thing they know best, the only thing they know…more lies. It is all lying from the sun rises all the day to bed. I guess even their dreams is full of lies as well…

      Now, in 2016 they are stripped naked. They look so ridicilous. And the response is to lie bigger and more. They are digging their own graves and are not even able too see it. But that is a good thing….

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 9:07 am

        Leftism is constructed on lies. Lies is all they know.

        Indeed, Karl Marx, author of the Comminist Manifesto and the father of leftism, built his subintellectual empire on lies. Writing his tome Das Kapital he found that all boats *did* rise with the tide during the Industrial Revolution in England. So after consulting with his patron Frederich Engel he decided to go ahead and doctor the numbers to “prove” the opposite. He published, and other people’s money became an instant worldwide hit, and that enthusiasm has not since waned. Now there are other lies, like the fake science of global warming, that get woven into Karl’s web of lies. Lying about climate is innocent enough, it’ll only waste a few trillion dollars a year. Lying to ourselves about Moslems, however, will exact a much higher, and more permanent, price.

        • Norwegian says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 11:05 am

          If we could somehow go back in time and lock up Marx in a mental asylum before he could publish anything ?

          How did he manage to slip through the net anyways…I wonder ?

        • Carolyne says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 1:25 pm

          No, lying about the climate will do immeasurable harm. It will cause great damage to industry and cause a loss of jobs. I think that is the point, actually. More in the plan to globalize the world and reduce all to third world status.

    • Shane says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 10:55 am

      The Left is allied with Islamists in North America and Europe to destroy America and Western Civilization.
      America needs to listen to people like David Woods and Robert Spencer when it comes to Islamic Jihad!
      Is ISIS Islamic, Part 1?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FJqCVZ-yOE
      The Basics of Islam 1: Islamophobia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL7v4RCp0KU
      The Basics of Islam 3: Was Muhammad Peaceful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsbRHyuooZY
      The Basics of Islam 7: Robert Spencer on How Could ISIS Represent 1.5 Billion Muslims?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VeedBv-MN4

  3. Champ says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    The Left > enablers of evil islam!

  4. Ken says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    The suicidal aspect of leftism again. This woman’s actions are a reductio ad absurdum of her philosophy; one doesn’t need to provide any other argument against the left, just point at fools like this and say, “see?”.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 5, 2016 at 10:02 pm

      Here’s another instance of Leftist suicidal insanity in the face of Muslim rape:

      “Norway: Leftist feels guilty that Muslim who raped him was deported”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/norway-leftist-feels-guilty-that-muslim-who-raped-him-was-deported

      • Ken says

        Jul 5, 2016 at 10:31 pm

        Priceless.

      • Norwegian says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 7:22 am

        This cuck is the most famous norwegian these days….

        I bet the wholw world is laughing at us 🙁

  5. Marcy says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    Why did she go to the police in the first place, especially if she was just going to lie?

    • Ken says

      Jul 5, 2016 at 9:26 pm

      Great question. The only conceivable reason seems to be to implicate some “racist, privileged German natives” in the crime…if that wasn’t her reasoning, then there just wasn’t any reasoning, which is certainly possible too.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Jul 5, 2016 at 11:29 pm

      Attention seeking?

      Judging by her name, she is of Turkish descent and thus a Muslima. For a Muslima, being raped is considered a crime.

      On the other hand, in insane Leftist circles, being raped by Muslims and then using the incident to place blame on “while native” non-Muslim men could be seen as the ultimate in revolutionary chic.

      • Peggy says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 1:49 am

        She is protecting her own that’s all.
        She thought she would get away with lying about who raped her but then made the mistake of telling someone about it truthfully.
        I have no sympathy for her at all.
        Even after being raped she is still protecting the evil.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 4:13 pm

          “She is protecting her own that’s all.
          She thought she would get away with lying about who raped her
          ”

          Well, since I’m not a mind-reader, I guess I’ll have to rely in your reading…

      • Carolyne says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 1:36 pm

        Custos–For women of any religion being raped is considered a crime. This ridiculous woman, apparently a Muslim herself, wanted to have German men blamed for her rape to back up the prevailing false philosophy of Muslims as victims. Two birds with one stone, as it were. She was a victim and she was raped by German men who persecute Muslims which is being drilled into European heads.

  6. Hugh Fitzgerald says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    Completely out of her mind.

  7. Westman says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    More left wing retarded nauseation from the same article:

    “The perpetrators often come from cultures with a different image of women’, said Steffi Burmester of GESA.
    ‘They are alone and looking to banish their humiliation of flight with confirmation of their masculinity. This is neither to apologise nor to accept their actions, it is how it is.’ ”

    The message: This happens because they only know how to erase their “humiliated” masculinity by confirmation through rape. YUK!!

    THEY ARE CRIMINALS!!

    • Carolyne says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 1:41 pm

      They certainly are criminals but I believe there is more to it than you state. Their religion permits rape of infidel women and they are just following their perfect example, Mohammed. It is entirely likely that Mohammed was unsure of his masculinity and raped to prove his manhood. In fact ,he was also a pedophile, a necrophile, and a rapist who sometimes was a cross-dresser, not to mention his occasional sex with.

      • Carolyne says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 1:43 pm

        Hit “Post” too fast. Last sentence should be, “Occasional sex with men.” But while I’m at it, there are the goats and camels, too.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 10:37 pm

        Yes–Muslims raping Infidels is not just perfectly Halal; it is also a stratagem of Jihad.

  8. Jay Boo says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 9:12 pm

    (Muslim WOMEN):
    are supposed to act MODEST and not date non-Muslims because it might hurt the fragile egos of insecure Muslim men.

    (Muslim MEN):
    behave like wild pigs as per Muhammad’s example.

  9. Lee says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    I believe Selin Gören is a Turkish Muslim by background, so in blaming non-Muslim Germans for the crime she was in fact taking one for the team, and engaging in Jihad – covering for Muslims to ensure their continued flow into Germany, and smearing non-Muslims into the bargain. This is how maniacally committed Muslims are to Jihad, and the conquering of infidels.

    • utis says

      Jul 5, 2016 at 9:40 pm

      Thanks Lee. You answered my question before I could finish typing it. The name doesn’t look standard German to me.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 5, 2016 at 10:29 pm

      Yes–important point, Lee.

    • Westman says

      Jul 5, 2016 at 10:35 pm

      She is the daughter of Turkish workers, a vegan mother with a 2yr-old son.

      The vegan bit should alert to the leftist leaning.

      • Georg says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 1:31 am

        The concluding rage aimed at whites/Europeans who don’t seek to have themselves destroyed is all the information we need. As mentioned, she is quite simply a jihadist.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 10:39 pm

        Not necessarily. I’m a vegetarian; so is staunch Anti-Jihadist Duh Swami. Most vegetarians are squishy liberals, but not all.

        • Westman says

          Jul 7, 2016 at 2:43 am

          My apology.

  10. utis says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    Is her name Turkish? Her motive may be more complex than the ordinary Leftist brain zombie.

    • R Cole says

      Jul 5, 2016 at 10:03 pm

      Her name is Selin Gören – that would be a Turkish name.

      And she wants to be a part of the welcome migrants camp so badly – but she has witnessed the worst fears of the other side. And it is like losing the moral supremacy argument in the worst possible way.

      So where she should be angry with her rapists – she is lashing out at those who would say the migrants who assaulted her are a problem.

      She could also be ashamed because they were Muslim.

      And perhaps it is not the migrants she is so worried about being bashed – but Islam itself – where all this medieval behavior can be traced back to.

      ::

      The Left don’t want to admit they are wrong – but we can’t let them take the whole country down for their belligerence – or unless and until they see the light.

  11. gravenimage says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    Germany: Leftist pol raped by Muslim migrants, lied to police to avoid encouraging racism
    …………………

    Victimized first by Muslim savages, and then by her own “political correctness” and sense of unearned guilt.

    • Peggy says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 1:50 am

      She is just protecting her own. Her name sounds Muslim.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 10:43 pm

        Probably so.

  12. Georg says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    Silence about rape is sooooooo progressive. Very, very sophsticated. Avant garde, even. Europe is really outdoing itself.

  13. Mo says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    Then she gets ZERO sympathy from me. None.

  14. Martel says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    This is why women should not be allowed to vote, let alone hold office.

    • Carolyne says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 1:50 pm

      Would you care to elucidate on that statement, Martel? Are you a Muslim?

      • linnte says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 8:24 pm

        Martel is at least a misogynistic creep!

        Another aspect of this rape of a Muslima could be her Muslim rapists probably didn’t know she was a Muslim, which gave them the OK to rape.

    • Angemon says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 4:12 pm

      Martel posted:

      “This is why women should not be allowed to vote, let alone hold office.”

      I heard that Saudi Arabia allowed women to vote for the first time in its history last year – not all of them, of course, just a selected few. Heck, the Saudis went overboard and even allowed some to run for office – the fools! No wonder Saudi Arabia went from being a vibrant democracy with a thriving freedom of speech and equality of all before the law, not to mention a vibrant cultural and scientific scene that was the envy of the whole world, into the sharia-ruled hell-hole theocracy it is today…

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 10:46 pm

      The repulsive Martel wrote:

      This is why women should not be allowed to vote, let alone hold office.
      ……………………

      Right–never mind leaders like Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali–really, Barack Obama and Justin Trudeau are so much better…sarc/off

      The truth is that this has nothing to do with gender.

      Really, with this attitude Martel should be right at home with Islam…

    • Champ says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 11:25 pm

      Martel wrote:

      This is why women should not be allowed to vote, let alone hold office.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Hmm, do you guys think that Martel is married or single? ..divorced?

      Poor Martel can’t get any dates and he just can’t figure out why …

  15. Luke Andrews says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 12:14 am

    People like this deserve to be horsewhipped.

    • SBJ says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 1:25 am

      Agreed.

    • duh_swami says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 7:59 am

      Ant nab who strikes a woman is bot a man,,,

  16. linnte says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 12:17 am

    Did she not know they would use a rape kit to collect DNA? Why was she in a park at night? Meeting a boyfriend who turned out to be 3 boyfriends? I think there is something else going on here.

    • Lexa456 says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 2:39 am

      #1: She is a Muslima.
      #2: It was at one o’clock (at night). Her grandparents from Anatolia were visiting and they say it was very stressful. According to an interview, she sat on a swing in a playground near her home, wanted to relax.
      #3: It wasn’t a “proper” rape, more sexual assault or coercion. At least by the standards that have been used by the government for the incidents at the Cologne Central Station. For these were just a petty offense. But this is so beautiful politically relevant – ie “rape”. Ugh!
      #4: According to her Statement, she had a slight change of mind after the incident, especially when she recieved comments from other victims by refugees on Facebook about their horrific encounters and that many of them had not even reported the incidents because they saw no point in – Experience has shown the perpetrators are not punished. This, and her boyfriend, convinced her to rectify her original statement to the Police.
      #5: When a nationwide known incident in her town (an alleged rape by a refugee) has been proved to be a lie, she has fallen back to her former leftist self

      This woman is regrettable. She writes (to her rapist!): “For both of us I’m so incredibly sorry. You, you’re not safe, because we live in a racist society. I, I’m not safe, because we live in a sexist society…” Moron.

      • linnte says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 10:08 am

        Totally moron.

  17. Karen says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 12:34 am

    So rape is “sexist and line-crossing treatment”? That’s funny, I thought rape was an evil, despicable felony.

    But perhaps Ms. Goren’s attack wasn’t “RAPE rape”. (Just quoting Whoopi Goldberg, as she whitewashes Roman Polanski’s rape of a minor.)

    • Georg says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 1:46 am

      It depends whether a Muslim or Westerner is doing it.

      But as you can see with Selin’s bigoted rant from Galaxy LSD, it is the fault of Westerners regardless.

      When whitey does it, it is conquest and genocide. When Muslimey does it, it’s somewhere between rude and enrichment.

      All of this is systemic; look here at a BBC article about serial rapes and molestation during a couple concerts in Sweden:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36713031/more-than-40-sex-assaults-reported-at-two-swedish-festivals

      Notice anything about the rapists? Me neither. We’ve reached Orwellian times. Hopefully it happens to enough politicians and their so that they do something about it. Actually, we see that they won’t even when it does. So the people will have to do something about it themselves.

  18. Matthieu Baudin says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 1:18 am

    “… She now says people must never ‘twist the truth’ even if it is politically expedient to do so…”

    In other words she is now encouraging ‘plain speaking’ about anything of importance even though it will often come with pain and ostracism.

    This terrible experience and the whirlpool of thoughts and emotions that followed, has led her to reevaluate truthfulness and her duty to the community at large. Who knows, she may even become a leader amongst politically active youth.

    I hope she comes to appreciate how much of a debt is owed to the Christian Tradition, throughout its long European trajectory, for this respect for truthfulness, which has helped her to follow the social obligation ‘… not [to] bare false witness.’

  19. RobertM says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 1:46 am

    “Selin Gören”

    Sounds Turkish and therefore probably Muslim.

    She’s just doing her part for the hijirah.

    • mortimer says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 2:22 am

      Agree with RM. She’s a stealth jihadist.

    • Pal says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 12:46 pm

      A female muslim “nest” has accommodated a male muslim “bird”.
      Feeling the circumcised warmth, she hasn’t wished to betray co-“religion” “perpetrators”.
      Then, being a “German” citizen, some hesitation has emerged and made her going to half-report
      That is the muslim psychology behind.

      • Carolyne says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 1:54 pm

        That is not only silly, but borders on the obscene, Pal.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 11:37 pm

        Not even idiots like this *like* to be raped. This is offensive.

  20. mortimer says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 2:14 am

    By not reporting the perpetrators to the police, Selin Gören put other women at risk. The perpetrators were not removed from circulation and the public was not alerted to the danger.

    Selin Gören is an example of how Germans are committing a national suicide.

    • Andra says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 7:28 am

      In general I agree with you. But these perpetrators would not be charged anyway, even if some Police officer would care to go after them.
      One of the traitors in Cologne was not exactly recognized by the victim but he had her cell phone. He insisted that he had bought this cell phone on the street (which would be criminal all the same) and never had been near Cologne on New Years Eve. He got a cash back for being arrested for a while.

      Four guys between 15 and 20 have raped two teenaged girls. Only the oldest was arrested, the other three are free.

      This list could continue endlessly.
      No, it does not matter anymore in Germany wether you are guilty, it only matters wether you are Muslim or not. And if you are Muslim you are not harmed by Justice.

  21. Michael Copeland says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 2:38 am

    “Any woman without a headscarf is asking to be raped.”
    Imam Shahid Mehdi

    • Keys says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 10:27 am

      MC, as things are going in Germany, it may become “Any woman with a headscarf is asking to be shot.”

      When the police and the law are impotent vigilanties will arise.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 11:39 pm

        The idea that German citizens are out shooting Muslim women in headscarves is grotesque calumny.

    • Carolyne says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 1:56 pm

      Better still would be walking around in a black bag.

  22. Diganta Bhattacharya says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 3:38 am

    Aha! She has GOT to be the Florence Nightingale of the 21st century…a denizen of ‘secular’ peace. Let her marble statue be erected across Europe and in the UN office…after she’s raped and brutally murdered by her muslim brother-in-law-s in her next raid, of course.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 11:40 pm

      No–statues are un-Islamic!

  23. Hector Archytas says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 4:13 am

    Her son will be a great warrior !!!!

    That is how Islam progress: rap and war.

  24. Phil says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 4:21 am

    This German -Turkish woman is obviously protecting the Umma from the Kaffirs. She is directly responsible for any other rapes or assaults these thugs have committed since she was attacked. Sacrificing her dubious ‘honour’ to further the hijra of muslims into the Dar al-Harb was obviously seen by her to be a meritorious act. She should be charged with withholding evidence from the police, perjury and obstructing the course of an official investigation.
    Instead she’ll be lionized by her supporters.

  25. Angemon says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 4:41 am

    A young left-wing German politician has admitted she lied to police about the racial background of three men who raped her in case it triggered reprisals against refugees in her country.

    What was she afraid Germans would do? Grab their torches and pitchforks and rally to the nearest “refugee” centre?

    Selin, aware of the backlash that migrants suffered after the events in Cologne on New Year’s Eve

    What alleged “backlash” would that be?

    She said a friend talked her into going back to the police with the real story because another woman had been raped in the area – an accusation later retracted by the alleged victim.

    And this begs the question: did the alleged victim made the story up or was, in fact, attacked and retracted her story for reasons similar to Ms. Gorën?

    Selin, who has visited refugee camps in Iraq where she was shocked at the squalor people are living in, did not want to stoke ‘more hatred against migrants ín Germany.’

    What does she mean “more hatred”? And what does the squalor in refugee camps in Iraq has to do with*Farsi* speaking criminals?

    To help her cope she wrote an open letter to a fictional refugee and posted it on Facebook. It read in part: ‘I am really sorry that your sexist and line-crossing treatment of me could help fuel aggressive racism.

    The f***?

    ‘I’m going to scream… I will not stand by and watch, and it can happen that racists and concerned citizens name you as the problem. You’re not the problem. You’re usually a wonderful human being who deserves as much as any other to be safe and free.

    No, you dim bulb – they *are* the problem. And so are you – and you know it, hence why you retracted your original story *after* learning about another possible victim. You know what fuels the “racism” you’re decrying, whether because you genuinely feel it or because of virtue signalling? Attitudes like your own – defending criminals. In fact, it seems you’re the racist here – “oh, these people just can’t behave in a civilized manner so we must cut them some slack”.

    ‘I will not stand by and watch and let it happen that racists and concerned citizens name you as the problem.’

    F***ing hell – racists and concerned citizens? Are you really comparing concerned citizens to racists, as if they are, for all intents and purposes, the same thing? And again: your attackers *are* the problem – or at least a symptom of it *cough*openborderpolicy*cough*

    She now says people must never ‘twist the truth’ even if it is politically expedient to do so…

    What would you call your comparison of concerned citizens to racists then?

    • DFD says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 7:19 am

      You know, my first reaction was grinning, a Turkish Bint raped rapefugees…

      But there’s something very, very iffy about this. If true, what was she doing in a park at night near an invader center – shortly after Cologne?

      And you’re right: ‘What backlash?’ The only backlash was a peaceful (by now I hate that word!) PEGIDA demo where demonstrators were abused and arrested by the police, by Antifa thugs and acting police provocateurs. Of the latter some were caught on camera. The press referred to that as a violent Nazi march…

      The whole story sucks, to put it mildly.

      Equally weird is that this version now appeared in “Der Spiegel” (The MIrror), a German weekly. like Time or Newsweek. Originally center to middle left, under the founder Rudolf Augstein. When his son Jakob took, over it moved to the far left. His son started his own ultra left paper, and Der Spiegel is heading down, like a Stuka without air brakes… But less noise 🙂 A bit like “Bild” news paper, from 5 million to 2 million copies per day, in less than a year.

      There are ‘things’ going on, but what? A rethink? Not with Fuhrer Merkel and her gang, that’s for sure.

      Of interest is this, an ultra right wing German, (“I love Germany!”) heavily, very intensely anti Islamic and anti Turkish fellow (**definitely one of us**) is now no longer called a racist, a ‘weird’ Nazi, Islamophobe, etc. Instead he is now being referred to as the author of several bestsellers on Germany, the invasion, the undermining of the German population, etc., all on the bestseller list. The problem they have with him is this, his name:

      Akif Pirincci
      =========

      Yes, Turkish origin. During a speech at a PEGIDA demo, the organizers told him to calm down, he was committing hate speech. You read that correctly! He hates Turkey and loves Germany and is proud to be German and of his German culture. You gather, the media has difficulties with him, you can guess what they call him 🙂

      But now, some have begun to quote him without derisive remarks. But not only that, some politicians, and even (low ranking) clergy men have begun to speak out against the madness and Islam. Watching it from a distance, England, and thus a larger or better view onto the forest, there’s something strange happening.

      Sorry for being more chatty than informative, but I think it’s still worth noting. There’s something else in the German political scene. In the former east Germany the commie party was the SED (Socialist Party of Unity) which is now called “Die Linke” (The Left) and clocks around 8-10%. In Berlin, that’s the county of Brandenburg/Prussia *ALL* parties have pledged to *JOINTLY* oppose or balance the rise of the AfD. Same in a few other counties (Bundes Lander). Translate, the SED is back! And that includes the CDU, which was originally center to center/right – until Merkel came, she is the boss of the CDU. And the CDU is included in that coalition. Thus Merkel is included, they couldn’t join that without her OK.

      Something is definitely going on, but what?

      • Carolyne says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 2:05 pm

        Could it be that Frau Merkel, having been raised as a Communist, would like Germany to revert to a dictator-type country with the government the fount of all knowledge and the dispenser of all things necessary for life? Woe be to the Germans who elected her to lead them. They are like lemmings headed for the cliff.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 11:46 pm

          Nope. Merkel is just taking “political correctness” to its illogical conclusion.

      • Angemon says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 4:29 pm

        Ha ha, I googled Akif Pirincci’s PEGIDA speech. While I couldn’t find a whole english transcript of it, the few bits and pieces I read were awesome. “Islam has as much to do with German culture as my asshole has to do with the production of perfume” 😀 😀 😀 . Unfortunately, the reaction of the usual suspects was what one grew to expect from left-leaning morons: no-platforming and complete cutting of ties – his writing contracts were cancelled and stores stopped carrying his books 🙁

        Also, I’ve developed the (probably racist 🙂 ) habit of reading your posts in Kraut and Tea’s voice:

        • cs says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 6:42 pm

          Kraut and Tea is one of the best.
          MUH HOLY BUUK!!!

        • Angemon says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 7:56 pm

          Yeah, I’m surprised he only has ~25k subscribers. Definitely an underrated channel.

        • DFD says

          Jul 7, 2016 at 6:28 am

          I wasn’t aware of ‘Kraut and Tea’. Brilliant, thanks for the link 🙂

    • Georg says

      Jul 7, 2016 at 6:33 am

      “What does she mean ‘more hatred’”?

      Germany takes in over 1 million Muslim refugees in a single year and the Muslim world can only conclude Germans “hate” them. The only hatred here is toward Germans and it looks like they won’t see it until it’s too late.

  26. UriahB says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 6:36 am

    Digging their pwn grave, the ’30s are here to stay.

  27. duh_swami says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 8:21 am

    Racism-racist, are the most powerful words in the lefts bag of tools…It has the power to turn the nighty into a quivering mass of hello…Don’t be a quivering mass of jello…If someone calls you a racist, the middle finger salute is a proper response…

    • mortimer says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 9:12 am

      Disagree. The proper response is to ask the person, ‘Are you a reverse racist?’

      Political correctness is fascism posing as manners.

      • duh_swami says

        Jul 6, 2016 at 9:23 am

        You can asl them anything you want, but don’t expect an honest Ramses,,,

        • duh_swami says

          Jul 6, 2016 at 9:25 am

          honest answer…

    • Carolyne says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 2:06 pm

      When it comes to Muslims, being called a racist is a badge of honor.

      • Georg says

        Jul 7, 2016 at 6:38 am

        Exactly. I’ll happily be included with those upsetting Islam.

  28. John Marst says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 8:59 am

    Sounds like she took one for the home team — the Ummah Termites.

    • Georg says

      Jul 7, 2016 at 6:41 am

      Ha!

  29. Florida Jim says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 9:28 am

    Isn’t that how slavery began, ” come aboard and we will take a nice trip”? Giving people a break after raping you only encourages the rape of your daughter and son.

  30. Lesley says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 9:37 am

    This sort of how-hardcore-are-you-shorty competitive posturing to be be the coolest in the scene is something I associate with the NYC neo-punk rock music scene of a certain time period.

    That being said, this is what I think her thinking is:

    Growing up in Germany coming from a Turkish family of origin, she identified with the underdog refugees and earned the highest badge of hipster compassion for lying about their descriptions to protect them after they violated her.

    How much cooler could she possibly be? “None more cool,” her inner leftist superhero responds with dramatic affect…

    The error in her logic has created greater cognitive dissonance, and this is how I would correct her:

    Your family left Turkey because Islam destroys everything it touches in regards to societal function, and they were probably smart enough to seek a better life for you.

    If you ever felt marginalized because of your Turkish roots, it’s because Islam must be rejected to maintain a free society, not because of an invented delusion of racism.

    What would be cooler than what you’re doing now is to actually read and study Islam, which is the root of the refugee crisis, also. Take that fire to fight for the little guy and put the force of truth behind it and work to free the world from Islam.

    Cultural relativism is a lie, and is a luxury of fallacious logic that only free people have access to.

    The greater danger is that your actions rooted in this lie will destroy the free society that created your pathetic hipster a$$ 🙂

  31. Nigel GFF says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 9:42 am

    “Selin Gören, the national spokeswoman of the left-wing youth movement Solid …”

    How do you know when a left-wing ‘national spokeswoman’ is lying? Movement of the lips is a dead give-away.
    (How are those STD’s coming along? A bit itchy by now I daresay.)

  32. Henry jones says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 10:30 am

    She should be charged with perjury and obstruction. Her punishment should be life rape. “Let them eat cake” so what does that make her “Let them be raped” ?

    Seriously, how many others lives did she put in danger by refusing to come forward? I hope she gets raped again. Repeatedly. She seems to enjoy it. I’d rather her raped than another innocent who isn’t a coward and not afraid to stand up to invading radicals wanting to take away freedom.

    • Mirren10 says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 10:36 am

      Agreed. I have **zero** sympathy for suicidally stupid bints like her. It’s one thing to wallow in one’s own sense of ‘specialness’, but when that wallowing endangers others, that’s the end of the line.

  33. davej says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 11:30 am

    Liberals are completely self-deluded and wish to delude you to think along the same lines. They seem to hate their own civilization and instead embrace and cover for barbarian savagery.

    • Georg says

      Jul 7, 2016 at 6:48 am

      “They seem to hate their own civilization and instead embrace and cover for barbarian savagery.”

      It’s like the bratty teenager who “hates” his/her parents. But rather than being pathetic it is genocidal.

  34. Myrtle Linder says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 11:41 am

    Liberals have been blinded by Satan and his satanic followers and are supporting his evil. They are controlled by hatred of any effort to do the right thing in the “eyes of GOD!” They strive to cast HIM out of all of America’s dealings, they do not want HIM mentioned in our schools, in our government, and even thought of, in our minds. Mind control is on it’s way, by our very own government, “GOD MUST BE CAST OUT”.!!! We will have to follow or be punished!!

    Jesus said,”He that is not for me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad”

    ‘.

  35. Travis says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 12:59 pm

    To not know the difference between migrants, or invaders, and to infer guilt onto fellow countrymen call for a word beyond stupid combined with treason.
    I have no pity for those conceding their own safety. Reap what you sow.

    • Georg says

      Jul 7, 2016 at 6:57 am

      “…onto fellow countrymen…”

      They aren’t her fellows. And we aren’t hers. To her, they are kaffirs– the Arabic equivalent of the N-word. Europeans must get to know it.

  36. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    Suicidal masochism IS what the slanderous victim-blaming extortionist libertine “liberals” (hypocritical criminal psychopaths) usually demand of everyone else, but it looks like this one drank her own kool-aid!

    Suicidal masochism is at the heart of the liberal “message” (for others, not them)! The dumber ones sometimes forget it is only to trick others until they “win!”

    Without victim-blaming slander, libertine “liberal” parasite extortionists couldn’t exist! So by that “logic,” this liberal had to blame herself LOL!

    It’s pure COMMUNISM: she has been indoctrinated to believe individuals have no rights (especially to self-defense;) only groups have rights, and all individuals only have responsibilities – to the groups (like, to the uber-gang, aka ‘the STATE!’)

    But she’s not “mentally ill” either – That type of thinking only gives them their favorite excuse:

    “I didn’t do it! Only my BRAIN did it! Whee!” –

    Wilfuly, habitually hypocritical and criminally psychotic, maybe, but it’s a choice! – Libertine “liberalism” is a backwards hypocritical criminal psychopathic HABIT. And it’s always a wilful choice to begin and then to reinforce one’s bad habits.

    She’s owning her mistake BY turning it into her crime, in effect saying to everyone: “Screw you! I MEANT to do that!” as libs always do! But I suppose there might be a glimmer of hope for her ilk after all; someone finally told her “If you won’t identify them, they’ll attack other women, and that will be your fault, too.” Then she sorta listened.

  37. jewdog says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    Her lying only endangered others. She was a very selfish and vain person who was primarily concerned about her self-image and ideological purity rather than someone concerned about the welfare of her fellow citizens. Take her twisted reasoning to its ultimate conclusion, multiply by all the like-minded leftists in power, and all of Europe will eventually be raped.

  38. Onebysea says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    Well now, isn’t that special. She has no problem throwing German Christians under bus but she would rather lie about Radical Muslims where as other white women would get raped. Leftists lie all the time. Liberalism is a Mental Disorder. Language, Borders and Culture will restore Germany not Liberals who can’t tell the truth even after getting raped. Someone should ask her what would it take for her to tell the truth in the first place?

  39. Onebysea says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    Well now, isn’t that special. She has no problem throwing German Christians (Racists) under the bus but she would rather lie about Radical Muslims where as other white women would get raped. Leftists lie all the time to achieve their goals. Liberalism is a Mental Disorder. Language, Borders and Culture will restore Germany not Liberals who can’t tell the truth even after getting raped. Someone should ask her what would it take for her to tell the truth in the fist place?

  40. Peggy says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    Angemon says

    July 6, 2016 at 4:13 pm

    “She is protecting her own that’s all.
    She thought she would get away with lying about who raped her”

    Well, since I’m not a mind-reader, I guess I’ll have to rely in your reading…
    ————————————
    No you don’t. Feel free to rely on anything you wish.

    ps. you don’t have to be a mind-reader to work out why Muslims lie. It’s always to protect Islam. I don’t think she would’ve lied about who did it if the perps were not Muslims.

    • Angemon says

      Jul 7, 2016 at 4:03 am

      Peggy posted:

      “ps. you don’t have to be a mind-reader to work out why Muslims lie.”

      Is she a muslima to begin with? Is there a confirmation? I’m asking because the tattoo on her left boob is of a sickle and hammer – the communist symbol – and not the crescent and star. Or are you going by name alone? Because if that’s your reasoning, please explain why someone with the name Akif Pirincci said that “Islam has as much to do with German culture as my asshole has to do with the production of perfume” – is he lying to protect islam too?

      “It’s always to protect Islam.”

      Just goes to show how ignorant you are…

      Sahih Muslim Book 032, Hadith Number 6303.

      Chapter : Forbiddance of telling a lie and the cases in which telling of lie is permissible.

      Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).

      Oh, btw: if she lied to protect islam – as opposed to protect “refugees” in general – why did she recant her story hours later?

      • Peggy says

        Jul 7, 2016 at 6:52 am

        Oh, btw: if she lied to protect islam – as opposed to protect “refugees” in general – why did she recant her story hours later?
        ================
        Maybe because she already told someone the truth and then had no choice?

        You know, no matter what I say you find something to pick apart. You must like replying to me in a negative way so much that it’s become an obsession.
        Is there anything I can say without having you try to make it seem silly and your reply clever? Really, is there anything?

        • Angemon says

          Jul 7, 2016 at 7:37 am

          Peggy posted:

          “Maybe because she already told someone the truth and then had no choice?”

          Oh, for f***’s sake. Do you even think? What are the odds that a devout muslima who lied about being raped by muslims and lied to protect islam would tell someone other than a similarly devout muslima? And why would a similarly devout muslima talk her into telling the truth because someone else – whose religion we don’t know – was raped?

          “You know, no matter what I say you find something to pick apart. You must like replying to me in a negative way so much that it’s become an obsession.”

          Considering the amount of your nonsensical posts I don’t reply to overwhelms the amount of those I do in a dozens-to-one ratio, that’s an odd thing to post. Are you trying to play the poor, little innocent victim – again?

          I, for one, think that in the open marketplace of ideas ideas are to stand – or fail – on their merits, and that discussing something and its flaws is a good thing – bad ideas get relegated to the garbage bin and good ideas have their edges trimmed. I honestly have no explanation for your open hostility to such process. It’s as if other people are supposed to eat up whatever it is you’re posting, and any attempt at critical thinking is met with hostility on your end.

          “Is there anything I can say without having you try to make it seem silly and your reply clever? Really, is there anything?”

          See above – dozens-to-one ration.

          So, Dr. Mind Reader, how do the actual facts fit in with your little narrative?

  41. RodSerling says

    Jul 6, 2016 at 11:04 pm

    Rape victim about migrants: “You’re usually a wonderful human being who deserves as much as any other to be safe and free.”

    “Usually.” Usually Ted Bundy was a wonderful human being…

    A tiny minority of extremists, a tiny minority of the time, seems to be adding up to a lot of problems in Europe.

    • RodSerling says

      Jul 6, 2016 at 11:07 pm

      correction: Usually Ted Bundy seemed to be a wonderful human being, for those who were not willing to look into what he was up to.

  42. Richie says

    Jul 7, 2016 at 12:11 am

    a rape victim identifying with the rapist. This is by definition Stockholm syndrome in action

    • Georg says

      Jul 7, 2016 at 7:08 am

      Especially if you consider that rape in Sweden has gone up 1400% since its enrichment in the ’70s.

  43. Richie says

    Jul 7, 2016 at 12:12 am

    It is also a form of the soft bigotry of lowered expectations

    • Georg says

      Jul 7, 2016 at 7:13 am

      Although I agree with your sentiment, what we’re seeing here seems to be the hard bigotry of misdirected anti-white hatred.

  44. gravenimage says

    Jul 7, 2016 at 12:17 am

    Here’s her disgusting *apology* to Muslim invaders for having been raped by them:

    “But what truly makes me feel sorry, are the circumstances by which the sexist and boundary-crossing acts that were inflicted on me, make it so that you [the refugee] are beset by increasing and more aggressive racism.”

    “Far Left German Activist Apologizes to Migrants on Facebook After Being Sexually Assaulted by Migrants”

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/far-left-german-activist-apologizes-to-migrants-on-facebook-after-being-sexually-assaulted-by-migrants/

    • Angemon says

      Jul 7, 2016 at 4:09 am

      Right? She, seemingly a descendant of Turks raised in Germany, gives Swedish natives a run for their money…

      • Georg says

        Jul 7, 2016 at 7:16 am

        Boundary-crossing is the problem, alright.

  45. Richie says

    Jul 7, 2016 at 12:37 am

    At some point the people of Europe will see the left is leading them to destruction, and they will reject the ideology of the left

  46. TheOldOligarch says

    Jul 7, 2016 at 1:18 am

    I think it was Sam Harris who said; ”I think it would be possible now to find somebody wearing an orange jump suit, who was that moment about to have their head cut off by crazed jihadists, who with their last moments would be worrying about Islamophobia”.

    Not only do I think that’s possible, I don’t even think such people are that uncommon. If I were to take a guess I’d put it at around 10-15% of the population.

  47. victimized says

    Jul 7, 2016 at 2:05 pm

    These useful idiots would rather be raped and murdered than be accused of “racism”. This is the insanity of liberalism.

  48. Peggy says

    Jul 7, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    Angemon said:

    So, Dr. Mind Reader, how do the actual facts fit in with your little narrative?
    —————————-
    I never said I was a mind reader but naturally you have to put labels on me.
    My posts are no less reasonable than others here but you can’t try to find something, anything to take on in order to make yourself feel smart.
    You are doing quite the opposite because you look spiteful and compulsive.
    I don’t play the victim, I just tell you when you that you seem to love picking on my posts hoping to look clever. I know, it’s all Russia’s fault. They have me brainwashed and you are the ONLY one who is prepared to discredit anything I write as a result. sarc off. You have appointed yourself the protector of this site when it comes to me. Just in case there is a chance someone here might be “corrupted” by what I write. Sorry, sarc back on.

    I can’t say anything without you having a go at it.
    How does it feel to be so smart and right about everything?

    • Angemon says

      Jul 8, 2016 at 6:42 am

      Peggy posted:

      “I never said I was a mind reader but naturally you have to put labels on me.”

      And muslims never say they are jihadis, or that they kill and rape, butnaturally we have to put labels in them,therefore,by your “logicI’, shame on us. ll take “JW Trivia” for 500, Trebek.

      Peggy says

      July 6, 2016 at 1:49 am

      She is protecting her own that’s all.
      She thought she would get away…

      Oh, I know this one. *ahem* “What Would A Mind-Reader Say?”.

      The rest is just you having another meltdown and, instead of defending her reasoning – which I’ve questioned – she just goes – again – on a rant about how terrible I am – the poor, little special snowflake got her feelings hurt and is now trying to steer away from the issue. Heck, you even do what she often accused me of doing so: bringing up Russia. You wrote:

      “Maybe because she already told someone the truth and then had no choice?”

      And I asked: what are the odds that a devout muslima who lied about being raped by muslims and lied to protect islam would tell someone other than a similarly devout muslima? And why would a similarly devout muslima talk her into telling the truth because someone else – whose religion we don’t know – was raped? Still waiting to hear you defend your logic. Or can’t you defend what you say without trying to play the victim?

      P.S.: For all your whining about how terrible I am and how I allegedly am going after you alone, you sure seem to have a bad case of hypocrisy going on. You know, because of all those times where you go out of your way to attack, insult and lie about me. But no, the problem is that I have called you out on your nonsense a few times – you’re the poor little victim here, and everyone should feel sorry for you. Perhaps you should find a safe space with pillows, blankets and videos of puppies and kitties?

      P.S.: “You have appointed yourself the protector of this site when it comes to me.”

      Citation needed. Or is it another of your mind-readings? Also, dozens-to-one – explain that.

      • Peggy says

        Jul 8, 2016 at 9:15 am

        Seeing h ow you have all the answers and keep telling me what I am and what I mean then you are the Oracle here.
        Your mind works wonders.
        You get something in that brain of yours and you convince yourself that there is no other meaning, opinion or reasoning apart from yours and will keep pushing it till the end of time. I must be all you say I am based on some evidence that only makes sense in your mind.
        Evidence that you make fit any way you need to.
        Amazing, all i have to do is add something to the discussion here and you jump all over it as if my post is so outrageous.
        It’s so obvious that you are a spiteful little man who fixates on someone and from then on keeps trying to pick arguments out of nothing. This is by no means me trying to be a victim but pointing out a serious defect in your personality.
        Do you need your daily fix of having a go at someone?

        • Angemon says

          Jul 8, 2016 at 9:30 am

          Peggy posted:

          “Seeing h ow you have all the answers”

          Citation needed – I, for one, never made such a claim.

          “You get something in that brain of yours and you convince yourself that there is no other meaning, opinion or reasoning apart from yours and will keep pushing it till the end of time. ”

          The Oracle has spoken! Do not question the Oracle!

          “It’s so obvious that you are a spiteful little man who fixates on someone and from then on keeps trying to pick arguments out of nothing. This is by no means me trying to be a victim ”

          It is, and it overlaps with the other observation I made regarding your behaviour: you go out of your way lie about and insult me.

          “Amazing, all i have to do is add something to the discussion here and you jump all over it as if my post is so outrageous.”

          I, for one, don’t consider mind-reading to be a mundane, everyday event.

          Anyway, nothing in your whiny festival of playing the poor victim addresses the questions I made about your “logic”. You wrote:

          Maybe because she already told someone the truth and then had no choice?”

          And I asked: what are the odds that a devout muslima who lied about being raped by muslims and lied to protect islam would tell someone other than a similarly devout muslima? And why would a similarly devout muslima talk her into telling the truth because someone else – whose religion we don’t know – was raped? Still waiting to hear you defend your logic. Or do you prefer to go out of your way to defame me and claim I’m out to get you?

          Oh, and you also wrote:

          You have appointed yourself the protector of this site when it comes to me.

          I never did such a thing, you liar.

  49. Peggy says

    Jul 9, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    Peggy posted:

    “I never said I was a mind reader but naturally you have to put labels on me.”

    And muslims never say they are jihadis, or that they kill and rape, butnaturally we have to put labels in them,therefore,by your “logicI’, shame on us. ll take “JW Trivia” for 500, Trebek.

    Angemon says

    July 8, 2016 at 9:30 am

    Peggy posted:

    “Seeing h ow you have all the answers”

    Citation needed – I, for one, never made such a claim.
    ================

    All Muslims say they are not terrorists etc.etc. etc. How do you like you answer to me back at you?

    • Angemon says

      Jul 10, 2016 at 5:43 am

      Peggy posted:

      “ How do you like you answer to me back at you?”

      Your childish outburst is enough to cringe even the most stoic. And, of course, in your snivelling, pathetic false equivalence you leave out that you have, on several occasions, assured us, when talking about people you never met or interacted with, as seen in this case, about what they think and why they did what they did – what is that if not mind reading? I never – ever – claimed to have al the answers. In fact, I routinely say things along the lines of “I don’t know this” or “I don’t know that”.

      Now, I asked you: what are the odds that a devout muslima who lied about being raped by muslims and lied to protect islam would tell someone other than a similarly devout muslima? And why would a similarly devout muslima talk her into telling the truth because someone else – whose religion we don’t know – was raped? Still waiting to hear you defend your logic. Or do you prefer to go out of your way to defame me and claim I’m out to get you?

      Oh, and you also wrote:

      You have appointed yourself the protector of this site when it comes to me.

      I never did such a thing, you liar.

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