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Idaho family of child raped by Muslim migrants treated like “criminals” by police and media

Jul 12, 2016 11:27 pm By Robert Spencer

Protect the Muslim migrant project at all costs. That’s what appears to be the primary goal of authorities in Europe as well as the U.S. A raped five-year-old is a matter of indifference to them if she interferes with their social engineering project.

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“Mother of Idaho Girl Raped by Refugees: Authorities Withholding Police Report from Family,” by Katie McHugh, Breitbart, July 12, 2016 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

The mother of the five-year-old girl who endured a vicious sex assault at the hands of Iraqi and Sudanese refugees in June said she feels her family is being treated like “criminals” by local authorities and the media.

One June 2, she was outside with her daughter when she left for two or three minutes to take a quick bathroom break — and that’s all the time it took for the three perpetrators to grab the little girl, before dragging her into a nearby laundry room, stripping her naked, urinating on her clothes and in her mouth, and filming the attack until stopped by an elderly resident.

But no one will allow her to read the police report or her own daughter’s medical records, she said.

“As victims it just makes us feel like they’re treating us like we’re the criminals. I called the victim’s advocate a few times to get the records and she said, ‘I told you several times now you can’t have nothing.’ And she’s like ‘why do you want this stuff?’ And I tell her because it’s my daughter and I want to know and I have a right to it under our Constitution,” she told World Net Daily.

This despite what her daughter endured was almost certainly a rape at the hands of the youngest attacker, the seven-year-old Iraqi living next door whose Muslim family has ignored eviction notices and allows their son to roam free in the neighborhood. Idaho attorney Mark Guerry explained to World Net Daily that what the film showed the Iraqi doing to his victim qualifies as felony rape, but authorities are working flat-out to hush up the attack. Guerry said:

She’s incapable of consenting, she may very well have been threatened with force or violence. I think even with what little we know there’s a case here to be made for felony rape. But, part of what’s going on, in my opinion, is the state is trying to keep this thing well under the radar so they can make a decision about how to handle this without having to face the public, and be able to dispose of it as fast as they can without it reflecting badly on them. Nobody wants the scandal of protest over someone being injured by a Muslim immigrant.

An Obama administration official threatened local residents discussing the rape and Third World refugee resettlement with federal prosecution for discussing the case not once, but twice.

The victim starts counseling next week, the mother said. “She’s still traumatized really bad… When she sees boys, she’ll tell me ‘those are bad boys, those are all bad boys.’”

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  1. Peter says

    Jul 12, 2016 at 11:30 pm

    All Non-Muslim Lives Matter!

    • mortimer says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 10:11 am

      Dirty kafirs have no rights under divinely-given Sharia law.

      The life and honor of a dirty kafir is not guaranteed, but merely ‘protected’ or ‘unprotected’.

      If a ‘protected’ kafir life is lost, it’s a matter of ‘oops! too bad!’

  2. Linde Barrera says

    Jul 12, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    What about The Freedom of Information Act? Why doesn’t the mom of the 5 year old invoke that?

    • mortimer says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 10:13 am

      They should sue the organization handling the migrants.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 5:37 pm

        That would probably be Lutheran Social Services–although there is also a lesser chance it was Catholic Charities. Both well-meaning but clueless Christian groups, who seem to be in willful denial over the harm they are causing resettling Muslim “rapefugees” in America.

      • EYESOPEN says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 5:58 pm

        Yep.

  3. Nan Barr says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 12:04 am

    Poor child. Poor mom.

    They need a lawyer and they need help!!

    They can sue the police and they can sue the rapists PARENTS!

    The perps parents probably do not have anything BUT some organization will have spend some of their money to help the cretin muslim parents.

    • Keith says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 3:16 am

      All of which will be paid for by your taxes.

      • Carmel says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 8:35 am

        It worth it because next time it might be your daughter. Try to be more bright than B.O. administration , please, if possible.

  4. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 12:11 am

    http://www.islamhelpline.net/node/905
    says, “If the accused rapist does not confess, and the woman is unable to produce the four witnesses; then the Court can levy upon her the case of kazaf or falsely accusing somebody. Under no circumstances can a woman who claims she was raped be charged, accused, convicted, or punished for zina (fornication or adultery) in an Islamic Court of Law. All she has to do is say that she was raped, and her word will be taken as the truth.”
    This is a suspicious ruling: a false accusation of will always be believed by an Islamic Court of Law, and frees the accuser of any zina. What makes this doubly suspicious is the lack of any citation from Quran or Hadith.

    But what happens to the need for four male witnesses to establish rape, now that Allah has given the ummah cellphones that can videotape a rape? Does such evidence count?

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 5:45 pm

      You are right to be suspicious, Mark. Remember the little 13-year-old gang rape victim who was stoned to death because none of her rapists would confess, but she has “admitted” committing Zina? Never mind that she was raped:

      “Amnesty International: “Woman” stoned to death in Somalia was 13-year-old rape victim”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/amnesty-international-woman-stoned-to-death-in-somalia-was-13-year-old-rape-victim

      Then there is this hideous story:

      “Islamic State stones four rape victims to death for ‘committing adultery’”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/islamic-state-stones-four-rape-victims-to-death-for-committing-adultery

  5. Jack Diamond says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 12:19 am

    the victim’s advocate (sic), “you can’t have nothing” “why do you want this stuff?”…
    and so the mother is denied the police report and the medical records of her daughter.
    All because of the age of the perps? Or because doing so would contribute to an anti-refugee anti-Muslim witch hunt–the one imagined by the likes of U.S. Attorney Wendy Olsen? Why else would the victims be made to feel like they were the criminals? Is that why the eviction orders are being contemptuously ignored?

    Why doesn’t she have a lawyer? Why isn’t this Mark Guery representing the family, or is he?
    How is it he’s seen the film? Where is the film now?

    Can this get any more disgraceful?

    • Peggy says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 1:14 am

      The mother probably can’t afford legal fees. I hope that there is a lawyer out there who will donate his/her time for justice.
      Surely one lawyer will have enough compassion to help.
      The mother should not have to worry about money because public prosecutor should take this case up.

      • Stan Lore says

        Jul 14, 2016 at 4:15 pm

        A lawyer with balls is what’s needed. Any local attorney who sees this mess should want to make a public show of the mistreatment. I cannot believe a patriotic organization has not reached out to provide counsel.

  6. gravenimage says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 12:21 am

    When is the repulsive “robert galluzzo” going to show up here, claiming that the little sexual assault victim and her family are “threatening” authorities by not backing down and will soon be prosecuted?

    • Angemon says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 6:55 am

      My guess would be never, since a lawyer confirmed that what the film shows – a film whose existence Bobby Gall doubted – qualifies as felony rape, and Bobby Gall went out of his way to say whatever happened – and he doubted anything happened – was not rape in any way or form.

      • Mirren10 says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 7:33 am

        What exactly *is* ‘felony rape’ ? Is it somehow different from rape ? I’ve googled, but can’t find a precise definition.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 7:43 am

          I believe it means that the age of the victim in this case makes it a more serious crime.

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 8:42 am

          Thanks, Angemon.

        • somehistory says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 4:58 pm

          When the word *felony* is added to a charge, it means that something other than the *ordinary* is involved.
          It could mean the age of the child, but it could also mean something more than what we know.
          If a weapon is used in a crime, it becomes a*felony* even it the crime were not a felony (such as 1st degree murder), but even that crime can be made worse by the age, if it’s a police officer, etc.and the degree of injury to cause harm.

          For example: a woman is holding a purse, a guy speeds by and takes it before she realizes what is happening. Purse snatching.
          A woman is holding a purse, a guy runs by, takes hold of the purse and the woman realizes it and is afraid. Robbery.
          A woman is holding a purse, a guy runs by, takes hold, she realizes it, is afraid but pulls back, he pulls a gun. Armed robbery.
          If he shoots her, attempted murder.
          If he kills her, murder, but also worse than if he had just shot her in a drive-by because he was also robbing her.
          The moslims may have used *something* with which to rape the little girl.

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 12:32 pm

          Thanks, somehistory.

  7. Champ says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 12:49 am

    Stop criminalizing the victims, this just shouldn’t be …

    • Jay Boo says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 8:18 am

      Then again
      I think that we may be vastly underestimating the incredible amount of courage and the hours of fretful soul searching it takes for these authorities to look in the mirror each morning knowing that one day they may have to look this young victim in the eye and have to explain why they surrendered to appeasement to Muslims.

      Unless of course it was just a typical knee jerk reaction to grovel at the mere sound of the word ‘Muslim= like trained chickens at the (feeding trough) answering a bell.

  8. Paladin says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 1:16 am

    Can we enlist the ACLJ in this? David Yerushalmi? Pro bono family advocacy against the Obama juggernaut.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 5:55 pm

      Yes–I was thinking he might be able to help.

  9. Peggy says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 1:17 am

    More and more proof is coming to light that our governments and institutions are not ignorant of Islam but they are guilty of using Islam to enslave us.
    How much more proof do some people need? So many fools are still going to vote for Hillary and all the usual suspects around the world.

    • Angemon says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 6:52 am

      Peggy posted:

      “they are guilty of using Islam to enslave us.”

      Citation needed.

      • Carolyne says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 9:45 am

        I doubt it is in writing anywhere, but common sense is the citation that the government is indeed using Islam to enslave us. Do you really think there is a document which says “We hereby swear that we will enslave the American people with Islam?” Don’t you have eyes to see, or don’t you believe your lying eyes.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 10:02 am

          Carolyne posted:

          “common sense is the citation that the government is indeed using Islam to enslave us.”

          No, common sense is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Which is what I asked for – evidence.

          “ Don’t you have eyes to see, or don’t you believe your lying eyes.”

          Whether or not I have eyes is unrelated to the absurd claim that governments and institutions are using islam to enslave us. Ever heard of Hanlon’s razor?

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 10:42 am

          ” Ever heard of Hanlon’s razor?” 🙂

          ”In 1996, the Jargon File entry on Hanlon’s Razor noted the existence of a similar quotation in Robert A. Heinlein’s short story “Logic of Empire” (1941), with speculation that Hanlon’s Razor might be a corruption of “Heinlein’s Razor”.[6][3] (A character in Heinlein’s story described the “devil theory” fallacy, explaining, “You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity”.)[7]” (Wiki)

          I’ve always thought, though, that sheer selfishness and contempt for others should be added to ‘stupidity’. All those churches and NGO’s making *lots* of money out of ‘refugees’, the politicians simply wanting to keep their snouts in the gravy train, and to hell with the next few generations.

          I also think this determination by some to see some vast organised conspiracy by ‘governments and institutions’ to ‘control and enslave us’ (aka the NWO 🙂 ) is attributing way too much intelligence and planning to what are simply governments and institutions staffed by greedy, venial, selfish and basically shitty human beings. They just ain’t that good.

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 10:55 am

          Bother. That should be *venal*, not ‘venial’.

        • Peggy says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 5:15 pm

          Thanks Carolyne.
          It’s so obvious that Angemon will always reply to my post with ridiculous requests. Trying desperately to discredit my posts.
          Any fool knows that there wouldn’t be a document stating just that but like you said, we have eyes and ears and we can see for ourselves.
          If he pretends not to see the obvious then he is proving my point.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 8:25 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “Thanks Carolyne.
          It’s so obvious that Angemon will always reply to my post with ridiculous requests. Trying desperately to discredit my posts.
          ”

          Asking you to back your claim about an alleged conspiracy amongst worldwide governments with the intent of using islam to enslave their citizens is a “ridiculous request”? Lol! I’d love to see you defend a thesis…

          Just to confirm: what’s ridiculous here is not your claim about an alleged conspiracy where governments worldwide are using islam to enslave their citizens but me asking for you to back said claim, correct?

          “Any fool knows that there wouldn’t be a document stating just that but like you said, we have eyes and ears and we can see for ourselves.
          If he pretends not to see the obvious then he is proving my point.
          ”

          Ah, so your statements are the evidence for themselves – got it. I guess that the food I had for lunch today was made by elves on the moon and magically transported to my plate – anyone could see that the food was on my plate, and where else could have it came from if not from the moon elves?

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 5:56 pm

          True, Mirren.

      • LB says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 11:02 am

        Here’s a citation for you — every single decision by Obama admin in the last 8 years has been IN FAVOUR of islam and muslims WORLDWIDE. This girl’s tragedy is a direct consequence of that. What more citation do you need?

        • quota raven says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 12:21 pm

          Well said, LB! Succinct and compelling.

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 9:42 pm

          LB posted:

          “Here’s a citation for you — every single decision by Obama admin in the last 8 years has been IN FAVOUR of islam and muslims WORLDWIDE.”

          Evenassuming that is true, how would that prove Peggy’s ridiculous nonsense about governments worldwide using islam to enslave and kill their citizens?

        • LB says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 5:18 am

          Angemon,

          I never said anything about supporting Peggy’s claim. But you can be damn well sure that Obama deciding EVERYTHING in favour of muslims and islam didn’t do ANYBODY ANYTHING GOOD! (except for muslim jihadists)

          You also can’t deny the fact that Obama’s decisions weren’t deliberate and well thought-out, which implies that there’s definitely some sort of an agenda behind it. Whether it’s Peggy’s claim that “the government is trying to enslave us through islam” or something else is a matter of discussion.

          Personally, I think that he’s a Muslim Brotherhood stealth jihadist, and here’s why. First of all, there’s absolutely NO WAY that Obama isn’t a muslim. Not after all the pro-islam actions he did. And his father was a sunni muslim as well. Which means he LIED about converting to Christianity, presumably to get sympathies from American people so they vote for him. And we all know that lies, deceptions and manipulations are MB’s #1 tools of warfare.

          That’s my take on it.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 10:04 am

          LB posted:

          “Angemon,

          I never said anything about supporting Peggy’s claim.”

          Then why bring it up when that was what I specifically asked for?

          “ Whether it’s Peggy’s claim that “the government is trying to enslave us through islam” or something else is a matter of discussion.”

          Again, that was specifically what I asked a citation for – Peggy’s claim that there is an untold number of governments worldwide (all Western, of course – apparently no one else, including islamic countries, has thought of it) conspiring to use islam to enslave and kill their citizens, even though one of the arguments in favour of allowing “syrian” “refugees” into Europe is, literally, the ageing of the population and the need to have *more* people.

      • Peggy says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 5:16 pm

        If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, IT IS A DUCK.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 8:28 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, IT IS A DUCK.”

          Except there’s nothing walking and quacking like a duck here, just you claiming there is. Also, I asked you to back your claim about the existence of an worldwide conspiracy among governments (Western governments, that is – because anti-Western paranoia is not limited to muslims), not to talk about ducks:

      • EYESOPEN says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 6:17 pm

        You needed a “citation”, Angemon? How about this one? This was one of the rare occasions where one of the globalist pukes actually let the truth leak out.

        “[David] Miliband, who now heads the International Rescue Committee aid agency, told the Guardian that the increasingly hostile tone of the debate on the Syrian exodus in the two western countries posed a major threat to global governance.”

        (The above quote was taken from The Guardian [UK] article entitled “US and UK must not close doors to refugees, says former British minister” of Sunday 27 December 2015)

        The entire article where I originally saw the quote is here:
        https://anncorcoran2016.org/2016/01/02/david-miliband-us-must-not-stop-syrian-resettlement-would-be-threat-to-global-governance/

        • Peggy says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 8:38 pm

          Don’t worry about having to find evidence to appease Angemon. He is merely attacking my posts as he always does just because he wants to vent anger. Unfortunately he’s picked me to be his punching bag. No matter what I say he is ready to counter with ridiculous demands. If I use facts and reason to come to a conclusion he wants proof that he finds satisfactory but he has plenty to say and doesn’t like it when challenged as you can read from his replies to others who dared agree with me.
          Naturally he will say that I am crying victim here of trying to enlist troops against him but as you can see for yourself Carolyne agreed with me without me asking anyone to back me up and he is off again.
          Have I asked the others who share my point of view to back me up? Of course not. That won’t stop him from claiming all that.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 9:00 pm

          First of all, I’ll kust point out that Peggy does NOT speak for me. Nor does she have a history of accurately describing my actions. Much to the contrary, she has a history of insulting, deriding and lying about me, not limited to ascribe me falsehoods. This originated after I expressed my views on Russia and Putin – apparently, considering Putin a kleptocrat that’s running Russia into the ground is a position Peggy will not suffer, and if she can’t rebut what I say she’ll at least try to poison the well and present me as a villain who can’t be trusted.

          Peggy posted:

          “Don’t worry about having to find evidence to appease Angemon. He is merely attacking my posts as he always does just because he wants to vent anger.”

          Like I said, you have a history of lying about me, you crybully. Asking you to back your claim about an alleged worldwide conspiracy where an untold number of governments are using islam to enslave and kill their citizens is not “attacking” you nor it is “venting anger”, it’s simply combating established insanity – like I said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

          “Unfortunately he’s picked me to be his punching bag.”

          Nope. I reject this vile piece of vitriolic slander for the gutter level lie it is.

          “No matter what I say he is ready to counter with ridiculous demands.”

          Asking you to back a claim you make – let alone the sort of claim it is, about a worldwide conspiracy where governments are colluding to kill and enslave their citizens – is not a “ridiculous demand”.

          “If I use facts and reason to come to a conclusion he wants proof that he finds satisfactory”

          We’ll know when/if happens. As it is now, you’re presenting something as being factual and I’m asking you to back your claim. And you’re spending more time playing the victim and telling people how much of a terrible person I allegedly am than defending what you claimed – that there’s a worldwide conspiracy where an untold number of governments are using islam to enslave and kill their citizens.

          “but he has plenty to say and doesn’t like it when challenged as you can read from his replies to others who dared agree with me.”

          Right, shame on me for not shutting up and drinking the kool-aid…

          “Naturally he will say that I am crying victim here”

          Which you are – you claimed that I picked you to attack and vent rage. How is that not playing the victim?

          “of trying to enlist troops against him”

          Did I ever make such a claim?

          “but as you can see for yourself Carolyne agreed with me without me asking anyone to back me up and he is off again.”

          Ah, it’s always about numbers with you – even tough I’ve told you several times that appeal to numbers is a logical fallacy.

          “Have I asked the others who share my point of view to back me up? Of course not. That won’t stop him from claiming all that.”

          Again, when did I make such a claim?

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 9:30 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “and doesn’t like it when challenged as you can read from his replies to others who dared agree with me.”

          This is both hilarious and sad since it’s coming from someone who is going well out of her way to ignore the matter at hand and, instead, viciously slanders and lies about me for having the gall to ask her to back her claim. Projection, thy name is Peggy! You should make some money on the side showing PowerPoint presentations, seeing how hard you’re projecting… 😉

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 8:42 pm

          EYESOPEN, how does that prove the existence of an worldwide, organized conspiracy amongst ALL Western governments with the intent to kill and enslave their people?

        • Peggy says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 9:41 pm

          This is so funny and sad at the same time.
          Have a look at my original post and then have a look at how far Angemon has taken this silliness. Out of nothing he has turned this into a show. It seems whatever I write here he has to turn it into a show and whinge about how mean I am.
          Sad character indeed.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 10:24 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “This is so funny and sad at the same time.”

          C’mon, Peggy – at least get it right. As I’ve said many times when addressing your rambling invectives, “this is both hilarious and sad“. BTW, for something that is allegedly “so funny and sad” you sound neither amused not saddened – you sound, instead, bitter, spiteful and angry. Very bitter, very spiteful and very angry because I had the unmitigated gall of asking you to back your claim.

          “Have a look at my original post and then have a look at how far Angemon has taken this silliness. Out of nothing he has turned this into a show. It seems whatever I write here he has to turn it into a show and whinge about how mean I am.
          Sad character indeed.
          ”

          This is both hilarious and sad – I merely asked you to back the claims you made while you responded with a vicious series of slanderous, vitriolic attacks – like:

          He is merely attacking my posts as he always does just because he wants to vent anger. Unfortunately he’s picked me to be his punching bag.

          Do you, Peggy, think that people here do not read posts and instead blindly trust what you write?

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 9:50 pm

          Many appear to believe that Islam is not an actual threat at all, but is just a tool of the evil Western elites. This is more of the same–the idea that nothing non-Western can actually be a problem.

          This is the same idea behind “Trutherism”–that Muslims couldn’t actually have been responsible for 9/11, or any other act of violent Jihad. It is all done by the bad old West to make Islam look bad.

          There is *no* doubt that “political correctness” and willful denial in the West has made us all more vulnerable to the threat of Islam–but this is very far from the idea that the ‘real problem’ is that there is a secret global conspiracy run by–who? The Catholic Church? The Masons? The Illuminati?–to take over the world.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 10:28 pm

          gravenimage posted:

          “Many appear to believe that Islam is not an actual threat at all, but is just a tool of the evil Western elites. This is more of the same–the idea that nothing non-Western can actually be a problem.”

          Indeed. And subversive agents with an agenda of their own are more than happy to take that momentum and run along with it. Like, for example, Mazo on that other topic trying to chastise “right wing westerners” for supporting alleged feminists that are combating islam – apparently, that’s contradictory of said “right wing westerners” allegedly chastising feminists in their own countries, even though they do so because they are not combating islam.

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 12:50 pm

          ”Miliband, who now heads the International Rescue Committee aid agency, told the Guardian that the increasingly hostile tone of the debate on the Syrian exodus in the two western countries posed a major threat to global governance.”

          Heaven knows I’m no apologist for Miliband (either of them), but I think you can read that in one of two ways, Eyesopen.

          The way in which *you* read it, and the author of the blog who quoted it; ie: Miliband is part of this vast global conspiracy to enslave us all, using islam/refugees/jihad to bring it about, or you can read it in the way I, and I venture to think, most people would read it.

          That Miliband, when referring to ”global governance” is simply referring to individual governments around the world, and the rule of law, and is implying the ” increasingly hostile tone of the debate on the Syrian exodus” may result in widespread civil unrest. Of course, he is also positing the influx of refugees is a *good* thing, but for me, it doesn’t add up to nefarious machinations in the service of the ‘NWO’.

        • quota raven says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 10:37 pm

          Mirren10 – I understand your resistance to the concept’s implementality but, and this is not a rhetorical question, were you around when George HW Bush introduced the term, “New World Order” and practically bowed to the floor to usher it in through, most importantly, International Trade Agreements? I was only half awake at the time, and very bizzy as a single mother with a career, but I recall a distinct chill when I first heard him utter those words. I believe the wrinkle between my eyebrows began to develop at that very moment.

          The NWO actual effect has been much more brutal than that chill portended.

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 11:49 am

          Hi, quota.

          ” … this is not a rhetorical question, were you around when George HW Bush introduced the term, “New World Order” and practically bowed to the floor to usher it in through, most importantly, International Trade Agreements?”

          No. Do you have a link where he said this ? I’m afraid I don’t see ”International Trade Agreements” as some sort of evil machination in favour of a ”New World Order”. Trade is trade, and has **always** been international.

        • quota raven says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 12:25 pm

          To Mirren10, who asks ” Do you have a link where he said this ?”

          No, I don’t have a link. I was there, in real life. I remember it. I’m sure if you google George HW Bush and New World Order it will pop right up. I don;t really have time nor the inclination to provide links for my own personal knowledge or experience.

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • linnte says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 1:39 pm

          Mirren, I heard George Bush say this on public TV, with my own ears. It is why I believe the NWO is the supreme goal of Political Elites, NATO, UN and the EU.

          Logically, what reason would the West have to bring in people who GUARANTEED have an ideology in complete contrast to Western Culture? COMPASSION? That idea is ludicrous! The Leftists may claim compassion, and they do, but when has Government used true compassion on millions of other people who are in war zones? Why didn’t we just evacuate South Vietnam for instance? South Korea? Nicaragua? Chili? Bring war victims here? When did we do mass immigration of these people?

          Using Shari’a compliant people to overwhelm Western Society is the perfect plan to get ALL people subdued. Why is that so hard to understand when we here on JW see every single day Muslims pushing Shari’a, not into libraries or hospitals or Community centers, but into GOVERNMENT! Look at the election of Barack Hussein Obama. I had never heard his name before his candidacy. Had you heard his name? Had ANY of us heard his name? NO! He is an Islamic PLANT. DELIBERATELY placed by the Muslim Brotherhood to instill in Americans the idea that Islam, (which took out the Twin Towers and which America really first started to pay attention to Islam) is a religion of peace. WE KNOW IT IS NOT. Yet millions of Americans still believe the putrid words that spew from Obama’s mouth. They have been suckered!

        • quota raven says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 6:00 pm

          To Linnte and Mirren10 – Linnte, nothing in what you say makes me think you are nuts. In fact I agree with much, if not all of what your say. I have not been convinced by evidence of the delicious theory that Obama is a Muslim Brotherhood plant…but stranger things have happened! I don’t rule out the possibilty. Your comment has a “connect the dots” feeling that appeals and compels.

          And to Mirren10 – Note that Linnte sez -” It is why I believe the NWO is the supreme goal of Political Elites, NATO, UN and the EU. ”

          There is a big difference between what he’s saying and anybody’s espousing the inevitability of a one-world govt. He just says the NWO’s a GOAL, and he can make a good argument and has done to support with evidence his assertion.

          But I think maybe you, Mirren, perhaps because you are a deep thinker -))) – over-interpret what people say. And I know I’ve misspoken or “over-spoken”once or twice in a passionate rant that should have been reviewed by the writer for clarity and meaning before sending!

          WELL! THIS is lively!

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 6:12 am

          ”And to Mirren10 – Note that Linnte sez -” It is why I believe the NWO is the supreme goal of Political Elites, NATO, UN and the EU. ”
          There is a big difference between what he’s saying and anybody’s espousing the inevitability of a one-world govt. He just says the NWO’s a GOAL, and he can make a good argument and has done to support with evidence his assertion.”

          Not important, quota, but I think linnte is a woman.

          I’m afraid I don’t think linnte has provided any evidence to show the ‘NWO’ is a goal – the examples she gives can be interpreted in another way, which include *my* assertion that what we are dealing with here is greed, stupidity, selfishness and carelessness, rather than ” … the supreme goal of Political Elites, NATO, UN and the EU.”

          I would also agree with graven’s interpretation of Bush’s speech. It doesn’t seem to me there is anything there which suggests obliteration of nations, rather a wish for more international **co-operation** – a goal I don’t see as sinister or nefarious.

          ”But I think maybe you, Mirren, perhaps because you are a deep thinker -)))”

          🙂 Thanks quota, but I don’t really think I am, I just consider myself to be commonsensical.

          ” – over-interpret what people say.

          I may have over interpreted what *you* have said on this subject, although you do seem to agree with the idea that the ‘NWO’ as a *goal* exists in the minds of some politicians et al, although you appear to agree with me that it will never be successfully implemented. Am I wrong in this ?

          I don’t think I have over interpreted what linnte has to say on the subject; she seems to me to be quite convinced of it, and produces as proof events and decisions, which, as I’ve already said, can be more rationally put down to, as Angemon quoted, Hanlon’s Razor.

          ” And I know I’ve misspoken or “over-spoken”once or twice in a passionate rant that should have been reviewed by the writer for clarity and meaning before sending! ”

          Not at all. I love your passionate rants !

          Take care, quota. (I **love** the video you linked to. Dogs are so perspicacious !)

        • quota raven says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 10:32 am

          To Mirren10 – who says, ” I think linnte is a woman.” Oops! I have changed my mind a couple of times! Back to “he” it is!

          “I would also agree with graven’s interpretation of Bush’s speech.”

          That was a good deed that the tireless graven did in finding and linking the speech; I confess I have not read or heard the speech since it was originally made, but it introduced the concept of the NWO and thereby made a impression on me, as it was to mark, in retrospect, the ushering in of international trade agreements, thousands of pages of same, that ultimately have had devastating economic consequences on the USA people.

          “…agree with the idea that the ‘NWO’ as a *goal* exists in the minds of some politicians et al, although you appear to agree with me that it will never be successfully implemented. Am I wrong in this ?”

          No. We’d be pretty much on the same page. Certainly, “greed, stupidity, selfishness and carelessness” are behind its appeal to some with enormous means and power. I may take the concept of NWO a bit more seriously that you do, and moves in that direction with international trade laws have proved painful from my pov., And as for the future – I only say “never” with trepidation. I used to think there were no more surprises, but now I find myself being often surprised.

          Delighted that you liked the devout husky. Thought you just might!)))

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • quota raven says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 6:06 pm

          CORRECTION, Linnte. There is all kinds of evidence to support Obama’s being a MB plant. Of course there is. Every decision he’s made since he threw the bust of Churchill out of the Oval Office, sent it back to England… is pro Islam, anti-USA. Every single act, and he and Hillary set the middle east on fire. Let’s face it. And tried to install the MB in Egypt and elsewhere. And has said jaw-dropping things that seem to just drift on by the American public’s attention. Sorry. That was a brain cramp earlier. There is LOTS of evidence to support that. Cheers! qr

        • quota raven says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 6:22 pm

          Linnte – Always appreciate your energy! Here’s a little something for you:

          https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vogp-n1-JPA

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 2:15 pm

          Yes, Mirren–many foolish people support what they believe are needy refugees. When this is applied to Muslim invaders, it is *very* dangerous–but it is *not* the same as deliberately seeking the destruction of the West, and confusing these things does nothing for our cause.

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 1:24 pm

          To quota.

          I did as you suggested, and indeed *many* links popped up, some of them very interesting and informative, some of them outright lunacy !

          I think I can sum up what I think about a New World Order, or globalisation. It will never happen.

          Why ? Because it goes against the grain of human nature, primarily, and also we are seeing throughout Europe a growth in nationalist movements. We in the UK have voted out of the corrupt EU, and other European countries are making noises to do the same.

          I found extracts from two essays, which, for me, seem eminently sensible.

          One, Domhoff, a research professor in psychology and sociology who studies theories of power, writes in a March 2005 essay entitled There Are No Conspiracies:

          ”There are several problems with a conspiratorial view that don’t fit with what we know about power structures. First, it assumes that a small handful of wealthy and highly educated people somehow develop an extreme psychological desire for power that leads them to do things that don’t fit with the roles they seem to have. For example, that rich capitalists are no longer out to make a profit, but to create a one-world government. Or that elected officials are trying to get the constitution suspended so they can assume dictatorial powers. These kinds of claims go back many decades now, and it is always said that it is really going to happen this time, but it never does. Since these claims have proved wrong dozens of times by now, it makes more sense to assume that leaders act for their usual reasons, such as profit-seeking motives and institutionalized roles as elected officials. Of course they want to make as much money as they can, and be elected by huge margins every time, and that can lead them to do many unsavory things, but nothing in the ballpark of creating a one-world government or suspending the constitution.”

          Two, Partridge, a contributing editor to the global affairs magazine Diplomatic Courier, writes in a December 2008 article entitled One World Government: Conspiracy Theory or Inevitable Future?:

          ”I am skeptical that “global governance” could “come much sooner than that [200 years],” as [journalist Gideon Rachman] posits. For one thing, nationalism—the natural counterpoint to global government—is rising. Some leaders and peoples around the world have resented Washington’s chiding and hubris over the past two decade of American unipolarity. Russia has been re-establishing itself as a “great power”; few could miss the national pride on display when China hosted the Beijing Olympics this summer; while Hugo Chavez and his ilk have stoked the national flames with their anti-American rhetoric. The departing of the Bush Administration could cause this nationalism to abate, but economic uncertainty usually has the opposite effect. […] Another point is that attempts at global government and global agreements have been categorical failures. The WTO’s Doha Round is dead in the water, Kyoto excluded many of the leading polluters and a conference to establish a deal was a failure, and there is a race to the bottom in terms of corporate taxes—rather than an existing global framework. And, where supranational governance structures exist, they are noted for their bureaucracy and inefficiency: The UN has been unable to stop an American-led invasion of Iraq, genocide in Darfur, the slow collapse of Zimbabwe, or Iran’s continued uranium enrichment. That is not to belittle the structure, as I deem it essential, but the system’s flaws are there for all to see.”

          I hope you don’t think I was implying any untruthfulness on your part, quota, by asking for a link, it was just that I’d never heard of this statement by Bush before !

        • quota raven says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 5:26 pm

          To Mirren10 – When I suggested your googling NWO and Bush I, I only meant that you could quite easily satisfy yourself as to what HE SAID when he was president.As I said, I recall well the chill that I felt when I first heard those words, and they came from George I. I only anticipated (and hoped) that you would come up with what he said in quotation marks. That is ALL I was referring to: what George HW Bush said when he introduced to the USA the phrase “New World Order”.

          Your response suggests to me that we are speaking at cross purposes.

          I have no interest in debating anyone about conspiracies or international trade agreements in generalities, nor in arguing theoreticals, one way or the other. One has only to live here to in the USA to appreciate consequences of multi-national driven trade deals. They are pushed through by lobbyists with Congress’s complicity, and American citizens have been subject to reduced choices and circumstances as a result of the passage of these trade bills. It is a point important enough that Donald Trump has publicly addressed it many times in his campaign. Have you not heard him say words to the effect that ‘international trade deals are fine, so long as they BENEFIT THE USA’? He, like most aware Americans, can see that clearly many trade deals passed in the past forty years have proved to be DETRIMENTAL to American economy and well-being.

          What Domhof says and how he characterizes “conspiratorial view” holders would make any sane person see those people as nuts. I would .agree that people who think that way he describes are nuts and, frankly, I’m not interested in talking to or about them.

          As to Partridge, I agree with most of what he says, although I might go one step forward and “belittle” or mock – or even fear – the United Nations.On the other hand, I have never suggested that NWO equals an “inevitable” One-World-Government, only that I know what George Bush first mentioned it (and the NWO phrase itself originated with George B as far as I can tell).

          What you have provided, Mirren, is a couple of writers, an academic and an editorial writer, who have perfectly sensible opinions. I naturally gravitate more towards original sources, hard evidence. What I said, and the only thing I am prepared to defend or indeed discuss in the context of the NWO is that George was the first one to bring attention to a direction he felt the USA should be prepared to accept with passivity as inevitable. I am not. Like you, Mirren, I believe it is a concept that goes totally against human nature.

          Mirren says “I hope you don’t think I was implying any untruthfulness on your part, quota, by asking for a link, it was just that I’d never heard of this statement by Bush before !” Of course I don’t think you were implying untruthfulness. But I get the impression that you are reluctant for some reason to accept that I am not a conspiracy theorist, no matter how many ways I tell you I am not! Pour qua, ca? Bother!)))) (I loved it when you said “Bother” when you made a typo, Mirren. Brought me right back)))

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • quota raven says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 5:37 pm

          Mirren, my dear, I think we have veered a little OT. But it’s fine with me if no one else minds! I have a present for you, the link below, to show appreciation for your candid comments and flexibility. The link below is more “on topic”, too. I just have a feeling you’ll like it.

          https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vogp-n1-JPA

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 6:21 am

          🙂 I do.

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 3:35 pm

          linnte, I would direct your attention to the two quotes I provided to quota raven.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 5:49 pm

          Mirren, here is the first President George Bush’s “New World Order” speech from 1990:

          https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Address_Before_a_Joint_Session_of_the_Congress_on_the_Persian_Gulf_Crisis_and_the_Federal_Budget_Deficit

          The term “New World Order” is handily bolded in the text.

          I am hardly an uncritical fan of this president and all of his actions but I find it impossible to read this very patriotic speech where he lauds America and takes a stand against terrorism, and somehow read it as a call for abolishing nations–in fact, he specifically says, “recent events have surely proven that there is no substitute for American leadership”.

          Even more bizarre is the not-uncommon interpretation that what he was advocating was surrender to Islam.

          In fact, mostly what is “new” in this vision of a “New World Order” seems to be his tentatively embracing a post-Communist Russia as a potential ally.

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 6:19 am

          Thanks, graven, I agree with your interpretation. He also seems to be calling for more international **cooperation**, which I don’t see as necessarily a bad thing.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 17, 2016 at 2:59 pm

          Thank you, Mirren.

          And hello to Linnte and Quota 🙂

      • dahjercanaan says

        Jul 14, 2016 at 8:08 am

        Forgive me for questioning your level of intelligence. But, does this count for “needed citation”? Obama, abusing his power, as well as the Federal Government, attempting to silence & infringe on the right to free speech when it has anything to do with being critical of Islam. Does that not count as evidence that our Government is attempting to “enslave” us using Islam? What about the Muslim Brotherhood, an “official” standing as representatives of Islam, seeking in an attempt to implement Sharia Law to supersede our Constitutional American laws? Does that not count as citation for evidence of the claim that our Government is attempting to use Islam to enslave us?

        Please, don’t force me to insult your intelligence if you respond in any way as if to imply ignorance or that these aren’t evidence.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 2:20 pm

          dahjercanaan posted:

          “Does that not count as evidence that our Government is attempting to “enslave” us using Islam? ”

          Is it a citation that shows governments worldwide using islam to enslave and/or kill their citizens, like Peggy claims?

          “Please, don’t force me to insult your intelligence if you respond in any way as if to imply ignorance or that these aren’t evidence.”

          While I’m flattered for the credit you give me, I’m not forcing you – or anyone else for that matter – to do anything. What you choose to post is of your entire responsibility. But thank you for the textbook example of the islamic and leftist blame shifting – “I’m not responsible for my actions, that guy said something so I was forced to do such and such. If he hadn’t said that I wouldn’t have done such and such. It’s all his fault, really!”.

      • dahjercanaan says

        Jul 14, 2016 at 6:25 pm

        I asked you a question. Is it or is it not evidence for citation? I pointed out the two things that are pretty clear, the silencing of any comments that are critical of Islam through Social Media on behalf of Obama & the Federal Government infringing on the right to free speech. And mentioned the Muslim Brotherhood whom are trying to implement Sharia Law within America that would supersede our Constitutionally given laws.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 7:42 pm

          dahjercanaan posted:

          “I asked you a question. Is it or is it not evidence for citation?”

          And I answered. Since you seemingly missed it, I’ll repeat my answer:

          Is it a citation that shows governments worldwide using islam to enslave and/or kill their citizens, like Peggy claims?

          “I pointed out the two things that are pretty clear, the silencing of any comments that are critical of Islam through Social Media on behalf of Obama & the Federal Government infringing on the right to free speech. And mentioned the Muslim Brotherhood whom are trying to implement Sharia Law within America that would supersede our Constitutionally given laws.”

          How is that supposed to prove that governments worldwide are using islam to enslave and/or kill their citizens, like Peggy claims?

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 17, 2016 at 3:05 pm

          Angemon, I agree. Like Mirren, I think–with the possible exception of Barack Obama–that generally “political correctness” and general clulessness among our elites–and the general public–is the problem; not some sort of widespread secret conspiracy meant to (somehow) use Islam to take over the world by some nefarious Western cabal.

    • Dum Spiro says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 11:14 am

      Supporters of Hillary before educating themselves
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=4-Gj8uS96iY

      A quick education about Hillary and UN HRC’s Resolution 16/18* (See her using the “Clinton thumb” during her comments?)


      *http://geneva.usmission.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Resolution16-18.pdf

      Education can be the springboard by which Hillary supporters begin to rethink that support…
      — Spero

    • Dum Spiro says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 11:29 am

      I was trying to get Hillary’s face to show in this old “1984” ad redo.
      https://youtu.be/4-Gj8uS96iY

      Maybe I got it right this time…
      — Spero

      • Dum Spiro says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 2:30 pm

        The third time was the charm, here:
        https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/federal-government-authorizes-facebook-twitter-and-youtube-to-censor-anti-islam-speech-lawsuit-filed

        Proposed censorship of free speech should be of concern to you…
        — Spero

  10. somehistory says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 1:18 am

    The family should contact one of the attorney firms that help in such cases. (Isn’t Jay Sokolove one of the attorneys who help in cases like this?) She has a right to see the report and the medical records…*by law the medical records belong to the parents* of the child.
    An attorney working on her behalf can get such reports easier than the family can. They need a lawyer and right now.

    The mom needs to bring suit against the authorities, the group at the college, the parents of the rapists, and anyone else who is obstructing the carrying out of justice for her daughter.

    It used to be that one could go to the media and get them involved when the authorities weren’t doing their job. Now, the media is helping the workers of injustice injury the family by not telling the truth about islam and what is happening with these moslim interlopers.

  11. Alien Republican says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 2:49 am

    If their is no justice for the underprivileged – and that mother seems to lack connections so typical for those “that matter” – than self-justice is a logical consequence.

    Obama and his European mignons are responsible for the decay of civility in the western world. If you see laws ignored and broken by the so-called “elite” the logical conculsion is that you need to take the law in your hands.

    Is that the lessons Hussein Barrack O. wants to teach the world ? Playing the race card all the time, creating dissent among social groups, creating ressentments against those who represent the state.

    That cops were killed was a tragedy. But one that could have avoided if Hussein Barrack O. had the real leadership qualities to teach the world and the nation that not race matters but justice. A crime is a crime and race or religion should not matter for perpetrator and victims alike.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 5:25 pm

      The massacre of police in Dallas was not just about race–it was *Jihad*:

      “Islamic Connection to Dallas Mass Murder of Police: FBI Investigating Anti-Police Group That Attended Dallas Mosque”

      http://freedomoutpost.com/islamic-connection-to-dallas-mass-murder-of-police-fbi-investigating-anti-police-group-that-attended-dallas-mosque/

  12. linnte says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 2:49 am

    And we KNEW this would happen to this financially strapped family! It just makes me want to tear my hair out!

  13. Kay says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 4:06 am

    Poor baby!

    Maybe she can get the unnamed Stanford student raped by Brock Turner to stand up for her, to write a letter, or to recommend a lawyer.

  14. David says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 4:12 am

    Where’s Charles Bronce? Vigilante time!!!

    • Mirren10 says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 5:47 am

      Yes, I’ m afraid the more this sort of flagrant disregard for the *victims* of a crime, and the protection of the *criminals* occurs, the more likely it is that victims will, eventually, take the law into their own hands.

      This sort of thing is not an isolated case, it is happening *everywhere*, in the UK, Europe, anywhere there is a significant number of mohammedans.

  15. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 4:28 am

    Surely ACT for America can pick up on this case?

  16. Mirren10 says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 5:40 am

    Do you have Legal Aid in America ?

    If not, as dda says, ACT for America should take this case.

    Why is the mohammedan ‘family’ being allowed to ignore the eviction notice ?

    • somehistory says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 11:24 am

      For some kinds of cases, there is legal aid and the client pays a small amount based on income.
      Some law schools have legal aid, run by students and their professors.
      The family should do some research. There are lists of attorneys that help poor people.
      This case should be of interest to many attorneys for the simple reason that it is so outrageous that the authorities are bending over backward to keep the family in the dark and not execute justice speedily.

      Someone mentioned the aclu…which has a lot of moslims in its ranks and doesn’t seem inclined to be on the side of right like one might expect.

      • Mirren10 says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 11:39 am

        Thanks, somehistory. I hope these poor people get a lawyer, **soon**. We all need to start fighting back.

        • somehistory says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 5:03 pm

          You are welcome, Mirren10.
          My internet went out for several hours.

          I, too, hope so. There is no way to know if today or tomorrow some of us may be in the same situation as this family. I pray not, but there is ever-increasing danger of it.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 5:59 pm

      Yes, we have legal aid here, Mirren. But the system is canted to those accused of crimes, which means that the perps get court-appointed counsel, but that *victims* of crimes are often left without much recourse.

      • linnte says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 6:15 pm

        Graven, I have used Legal Aid lawyers a couple of times. They donate their time. Neither time was for a crime related problem. And I do remember being given a court appointed lawyer way back when during my domestic violence case as the victim. Something is not right in this mothers case. I have also been to court as a bystander in a child sexual assault case where Department of Human Services was involved. Where is DHS in this?Why doesn’tthis little girl have a DHS appointed caseworker? Have they been told to stand down because the perp is a child immigrant? No information about the parents responsibility in keeping their child under control from DHS to this girls mother? Like “we have cautioned the parents of the boy regarding what sexual assault is and how serious it is here in America”? The Authorities in this case are keeping information FROM this mom that could help her feel supported by her representatives. I wonder IF THIS mom has a clue about what her rights are?

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 9:56 pm

          Linnte, I did not mean the actual group Legal Aid, but the legal aid in the more general sense of free court-appointed lawyers.

          And this girl’s family sounds not merely poor but also rather lacking in resources in general. They probably are not nearly as savvy as you have been. I doubt very much that she knows her rights.

          I hope some good people knowledgeable about legal matters reach out to her.

        • linnte says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 10:00 pm

          Me too Graven.

        • Lesley says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 9:58 am

          Unfortunately, Linnte I can see this being the way things go.

          The perpetrators are minors, and so confidentiality also applies to their info.

          I have the impression that the mother is without financial resources, and unless they can retain a fierce attorney who doesn’t fear going against the grain of the government’s politically correct narrative, she is up a creek without a paddle.

  17. Norwegian says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 5:52 am

    The “elite” is trying to use islam and people from the third world as a biological weapon on their own people…

    • Carolyne says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 9:49 am

      That is a very good description of what is happening all over the Western world. It is as if they are letting loose a deadly bacteria on their own people. And they criticized Saddam Hussein for gassing his own people. This is the same thing, only more subtle.

      • Angemon says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 10:06 am

        Are “they” using islam to enslave us or to kill us, Carolyne?

        • Peggy says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 5:21 pm

          Both. “They” don’t need so many of us.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 8:29 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “Both. “They” don’t need so many of us.”

          Hi Peggy. First of all, I was addressing Carolyne, not you. Makes no difference to me, since this is a public forum, but you have, in the past, spewed vitriol at me for addressing users when they were not addressing me first, so I’d expect you to apply the same standards to you – which you clearly don’t.

          Second, citation needed.

  18. duh swami says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 6:12 am

    Juvenile crime is treated differently than adult crime… Information is not public domain until charges are filed..Were any charges filed? Even so, juvenile records are confidential and often sealed…That’s not a reason for the Victims advocate to be a jerk about it…

  19. DFD says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 7:00 am

    From Europe: Doesn’t surprise me the slightest, sadly so. And its going to get worse. The number of attacks will increase rapidly, against children as well as juveniles and grown ups.

    Some attacks, or many, will be sexual, others simply violent. Kicking people to death, violent extortion and muggings. Sexual attacks against girls and women with their menfolk present, the effect sought here is the added humiliation. Plus endless complaints threats, racism, “Islamophobia” and and and….

    About 6-9 months for the first sharia patrols to appear, latest.

    The corresponding officials will learn that ‘undue’ concern (Islamophobia) will only lead to more, and to large scale violence, so: “Shut up!” The media? Ever heard of Charlie Hebdo? You’re next. – That simple. Not only threats, some will simply prefer silver to lead.

    This part of the kinetic phase is to install the greatest possible fear, anxieties (stay at home, etc.) and thus prepare the ground for more demands and activities. Particularly control of the streets. As Hitler wrote: ‘He who controls the streets controls the towns. He who controls the towns controls the country.’ (Mein Kampf)

    Their ‘operations’ (which is what they actually are, jihad operations following the instruction to install terror) will be flanked by AntiFa groups, already in existence or to be recruited from the campuses. These will, as said, perform flanking operations, such as violent demos; or deflecting skirmishes. They all will operate with numerical superiority, but no firearms. Without these the (tacit) support of the media and the gov. is practically assured in most cases – and thus their safety, and victory per event.

    Sorry, but you left it too late to get onto the streets. I really hate to tell you this, but many of you wasted your time to assure one another how tough and invincible you are, that the Euros deserve it, and that they will never dare to do that over ‘here’. It may not be too late to get organized, PEGIDA etc., and to get onto the streets, demonstrate, NO GUNS THERE! You will be called Nazis, racists etc., bear it! Stay calm and argue your case, you need to attract more people – but do not surrender the streets!

    In a way, they have to hurry as long as Obama is still in power. Trump could make difficulties, so he has to find a very difficult situation himself. Should Hillary win, no problem anyway.

    • RonaldB says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 9:00 am

      Hello, DFD.

      Did you ever finish your essay? I’m not on JihadWatch that much anymore, so I haven’t seen if you have posted on your cloud storage since your test. I’m curious as to whether you still hold your opinions that the European left and the army will be able to dispose of the Muslims when the time comes.

      • DFD says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 10:42 am

        Hello Ronald,

        I’ll post tonight or tomorrow night, with a comment here for ans a general invite to some other readers.

        Also, there’s a test doc inside a folder. Please be so kind and leave a comment, so that I know that the comment section will work.

        • RonaldB says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 11:44 am

          Haha. I don’t have the link to the test folder anymore, so could you please post it again?

        • DFD says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 12:56 pm

          Hello Ronald,

          Here’s the link. Please copy a reply/comment here on JW so that I know you tried, in case it doesn’t sgow.

          Thanks

          https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BySgBCEgoL-RY2dRZWpEc1BlWEU

        • RonaldB says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 2:30 pm

          I accessed the test.doc, opened it with Google doc, and made a comment with the comment facility. However, the comment doesn’t appear to have been saved on the drive, so I don’t think you’ll see it. Do you know any other way to develop a comment thread on the google drive document?

        • DFD says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 3:32 pm

          Hello Ronald,

          I think you can leave a comment once you are in the actual folder, where the test document itself resides.

          https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySgBCEgoL-RR0RqRHp5NjlKVmM/view?usp=sharing

          If you can, please also try to change the docu, and advise there and here. I never used this before either.

          Thank you

        • RonaldB says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 4:30 pm

          Hi DFD,

          As near as I can tell, you can modify or comment on the document, but no one else can.

          I opened the document for editing, but it made a private copy for me that I could not put in your folder or use to replace the document that was there.

          Similarly, I opened it for comment, and placed a comment, but it would not let me save the modified document.

          I also tried to remove the document from the folder, which it would not let me do.

          So, it would seem unless you actually share the document, or the folder, with another actual person or group, your document is not editable or able to be commented. I haven’t actually researched that on Google drive, which is probably the next step.

          Ron

        • RonaldB says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 4:39 pm

          https://drive.google.com/open?id=1dfMroZXbjYref8NP__rMzZg4w_ywcc2s-hK0lxBYR80

          Ok. I created this document with permission to copy if you have the link. Try it. If it works, I’ll walk you through how I did it.

        • RonaldB says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 4:39 pm

          I mean, permission to comment.

        • DFD says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 5:39 pm

          I wrote this into the file:

          “Yes it can. DFD”

          It may be the best way to leave an additional, editable file, simply titled: Comment here, I’ll try that.

          Please note, I could not find a save facility in your sample. Might be worse checking if my modification or comment as above is still there.

          Thanks for your kind assistance 🙂

        • RonaldB says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 5:54 pm

          This is a link to a file with instructions on creating a file that others can view and leave comments on.

          https://drive.google.com/open?id=1e-hDNGqkQxTZwFVlj4ztvSCN1KXnadgTkCj2ltPNqSc

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 6:02 pm

          I’ll look for it, DFD.

          And please don’t think that all of us Yanks have been sneering at Europe. Many of us know that the US has been heading down this same path for some time now. None of us in the West can “throw stones”.

      • DFD says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 6:05 pm

        OK, I left a second file in that folder titled comment. This file is editable. What I don’t know is if this (comment) file can be edited by merely entering the folder, by accessing, say, the testfile, or if the comment file also requires it own link.

        The link to it is: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySgBCEgoL-RVVJIZUpLbEhvODg/view?usp=sharing

        Once you do, please try again to modify the test file, I hope that’s still locked.
        ————————–
        Problems with this approach:

        I am sure most users, at least the invited ones, will not muck about with someone else’ comments, but certain malicious types may do so. In this case a comment file is not very useful since I would not know which comment is true and which one has been written into by another person with ill intent.

        It may be that we should comment and/or answer, discuss if interested, simply here in one of JW’s threats/posts. That is to say we pick an older post/topic and simply use this as a “protected comment container”. I don’t think Robert Spencer nor any other ongoing poster would mind since we’d be using an out dated thread.

        Any thoughts, suggestions?

        • DFD says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 7:03 pm

          To Ronald, additional:

          It appears to comment within a protected file, but which carries comment permission, one does as follows:

          Open the file (test.doc) then highlights the section one wants to comment upon; clicks on toolbar, select comment, types one’s comment, and that’s supposed to it ??? Though, it doesn’t say where and the comment would be saved, and if the comment itself is protected or not.

          See here: https://www.google.co.id/search?q=how+to+comment+on+google+drive+document&rlz=1C1BLWA_enGB578GB618&oq=how+to+comment+on+google+drive+document&aqs=chrome..69i57.20922j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

          Care to give it a try on test.doc? Please do and let me know.

          Should you read this, gravenimage, please, have a go. The location for the test files is at:
          https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySgBCEgoL-RR0RqRHp5NjlKVmM/view?usp=sharing

          Thanks both of you

        • RonaldB says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 8:33 am

          I can change the name of the comment file, but I still can’t save comments in it. I think I’d need two google accounts to really explore how the sharing works.

    • quotha raven says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 10:50 am

      To DFD, who sez “This part of the kinetic phase is to install the greatest possible fear, anxieties (stay at home, etc.) and thus prepare the ground for more demands and activities.”

      Could you please elaborate on what is meant by “kinetic phase” and how it is distinguished from other phases of jihad?

      I always read your comments with interest, DFD. You are something of a firebrand, and a super-acute one at that.

      Cheers!

      quota raven

      • quotha raven says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 10:51 am

        DFD – Acute, yes, but I meant “astute”!

      • DFD says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 12:36 pm

        OK, phases of Hijra and Jihad:

        The first phase is to settle for the initial Hajrians, Muhajirouns that is. Blend in, be ‘of them’, just show for a few differences, but keep a low profile. Aim for acceptance, become useful, even as guest workers, whilst simultaneously get some into the law professions, government and education. And make friends where ever possible. And always portray Islam in rosy colors, huggable and adorable, even if it has its ‘little quirks’. If useful, proclaim not to be a Muslim as such, just born into it, fast/Ramadan.. Just like Christmas, etc. GAIN ACCEPTANCE!

        Now! Bring in more Muslims, and breed!
        ==============================.

        Second phase: Start complaining, explain how things hurt, discriminate, so ask for tolerance, then allowances, then concessions. Then more and more concessions, and more concessions.

        Now! Bring in more Muslims, and breed!
        ===============================.

        Third phase: Kinetic, that is physical force. The application of terror, gradually intensifying. The terror to be individually as well as socially, i.e., attacks on individuals, deadly, injurious, humiliating, and any combination of these. Always in superior numbers to avoid defeat. Social attacks are bombings, driving cars through people, etc. The third phase requires safe bases, no-go-zones, and being entrenched within the institutions as well as strong allies. Or a minimum of 5-10% of the population base. Preferably both. Also, useful idiots.

        Pam Geller’s website is full of these: “Can’t happen here … We are too tough … We’ll show them … We have guns, hoho! … The others (Europeans) deserve ‘it’ – pathetic’ … etc. et cetera est!” None of those, err, posters (?) has to be a Muslim, just stupid, smug. That will do. When they are hit, it drastically increases the shock moment. “Can’t happen here!” That’s what the Europeans thought, many still don’t fully comprehend it, yet. Same in the US, many Americans wont comprehend it – “Where’s John Wayne?” {{ Americans: He is either in you or he doesn’t exist! Wake up! }}”

        The resultant demoralization of the target population enables intensifying and expanding the third, the kinetic phase. Though always step back, lest the enemy wakes up and fights, backlash. To be feared since this would require a partial “withdrawal” and a temporarily cessation of activity.

        Now! Bring in more Muslims, and breed!
        ===============================.

        Fourth phase: Full jihad. Death or victory.

        The original inhabitants of Yathrib/Medina could tell you in greatest, most accurate and graphic detail….

        • DFD says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 12:43 pm

          Sorry, “social” was meant to be “sociological”. That is against the target group physically, as well as morally.

          Well, I hope that has explained or illustrated the various phases of jihad.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 1:35 pm

          This is all doctrinal, of course, in case anyone thinks it is improvised.

          These are specific doctrines connected to phases of Islamic migration: tamkeen (empowerment, personal deepening of convictions); I’dad (preparation-communal, including increase of numbers; military preparations finally); tayseer (facilitation); daruna'(necessity); I’htiraz (precautions); takiyya/muda’rat (deception); Ta’leef al Qulub (reconciliation of the hearts, or external tamkeen, to win favorable position with non-Muslims and infiltration of institutions in every field). The ultimate goal of tamkeen is to rule, if that is not possible to otherwise dominate, impose rules in favor of Islam, stifle criticism of Islam.

          All hijra migration is based on the first hijra of Muhammad and his conquest of Yathrib/Medina, employing all of these tactics. The fact is, Islam forbids solitary immigration of Muslims and their integration into non-Muslim societies. A hadith has Muhammad saying “I am free of any Muslim that lives amongst the Pagans/non-Muslims.” “Whoever collegiates or aggregates with non-Muslims and lives with them, he is one of them” (Daw’uad 2789) echoing Qur’an 5:51 and the whole notion of Al Wala wa Al Bara (Loyalty and Enmity).

          Migration of Muslims into dar al-harb can only occur collectively and as part of jihad to remove the obstacles to the spread of Islam, at the expense of kufr unbelief. Hijra is not simply moving from one place to another place, it is its transformation–from freedom to slavery. The goal of Hijra is the same as that of Jihad, the Islamic State, the authority of Islamic law over all.

          Sam Solomon (ex-Muslim Professor of Sharia Law) and E Al Maqdisi’s “Modern Day Trojan Horse: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration” is an excellent summary of Hijra as a doctrine of Islam.

        • quota raven says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 2:02 pm

          To DFD – Thank you on behalf of all who read it for your clear description of the various stages of jihad. Your response has the ring of truth and authority, and it’s worthy of passing along, printing and reviewing. I may print up a few and leave one or two in the dentist’s waiting room amongst the Sports Illustrateds and the Good Housekeepings. No explanation, just the stages, as you’ve written them.That might blow a couple of minds…

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 7:14 pm

          Excellent posts, DFD and Jack. Thanks.

  20. Resist says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 8:02 am

    Sickening! If it was my daughter I know What I would do….

    • duh swami says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 9:09 am

      What would you do?

      • linnte says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 9:39 am

        Duh, probably the same thing I would do; go BALLISTIC! I would be so loud that the media and State officials would HAVE to hear me. Because this mom and dad are not really aware of the threat Islamic immigrants bring to our country, they are pretty much silent in their stand. Not me oh boy I can tell ya! I’d be shouting so loud even the White House would hear me, and Barack Hussein Obama would get an earful!

        • duh swami says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 10:06 am

          Who would you go ballistic on? The rapists were also children…

        • linnte says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 6:00 pm

          The courts, the City Counsel, the media and the White House! And anyone who would listen. By ballistic I mean LOUD! I’d get a Lawyer from the Legal Aid Society and sue the pants off the apartment complex owner for not removing the Iranian perps parents. I would get my lawyer to demand copies of the case from the Court. I would demand a response from my Congressman and the White House. I would write letters to the Editor of my local newspaper. And I would demand my child be allowed outside to play causing the Iranian kid to stay inside at that time. And a restraining order would be enforced, making it a stronger case for the Iranian fa!ily to be forced to move.

          THATS WHAT I MEAN BY BALLISTIC.

      • JD says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 10:55 am

        The rapists have no excuse, not their age, not their background, nothing.
        Why aren’t their parents in prison for child abuse? They’re raising savages.
        And folks like you who make such insane comments should join them all in the same cell.

  21. RonaldB says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 9:19 am

    Let me make a general comment here.

    It’s becoming obvious there is a generic problem, not with a particular government, but with Western governments in general.

    The governments are becoming entities with their own existence, completely separate from the populations they are supposed to represent. The nearest analogy I can think of is the Confucian bureaucracy ruling China, selected through civil service exams and a law onto themselves.

    In the US, we are large enough and populous enough that government bureaucrats, protected by civil service tenure, can do almost anything they wish. Their motivations are to increase their power and pay, and at the same time avoid any controversy that is career-threatening, that is, that will prevent them from advancing to the next promotion.

    In an environment like this, racial or national consciousness is critical. Black Lives Matter, for instance, can easily pull people on the street. This profoundly affect politicians. The police get no support, or negative support, and thus stay in their cars. But, blacks are not the only group with ethnic consciousness. You can read accounts of Armenians, or mafioso, or Syrians, or even orthodox Jews acting as a group,and gaining a respite from bureaucratic persecution.

    White native Americans have lost their racial, or group consciousness, and are thus at the bottom of every food chain. The idea of a representative republic is to avoid just this type of necessity, but as I mentioned, we are closer to a Confucian bureaucracy than to the Constitutional republic set up by the framers of the Constitution. You lose a lot by reverting to tribalism; I happen to value a bit of limited diversity. But, you don’t want to be eaten by the other fish in the pond, either.

    So, despite all the excellent suggestions about getting legal representation, the crux of the matter is for the working-class whites to have an identity group representing their interests. By the way, such a group, like PEGIDA, would never exclude blacks or hispanics who identify with equal justice and effective law-enforcement. Trump supporters include a good number of blacks and hispanics, who realize where their interests lie.

    • Mirren10 says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 10:50 am

      Excellent comment, RonaldB, I think you make some very valid points.

      ”So, despite all the excellent suggestions about getting legal representation, the crux of the matter is for the working-class whites to have an identity group representing their interests.”

      Yes. Although, if/when such a group is formed, they will have to contend with being labelled as right-wing violent racist neo-Nazis, as the EDL in the UK have been. (‘cos the chavs aren’t allowed to have valid opinions).

    • quota raven says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 11:16 am

      To RonaldB – What you say here is insightful and thoughtful, but don’t you think the more there are of these identity groups marching in the streets (preaching “unity” as they splinter society!), the more Balkanized we become? If you consider the government to be something one should be vigilant about and very skeptical of, doesn’t more identity groups deliver the tool of “divide and conquer” to governments bent on imposing totalitarianism and one-world government on us?

      Nice to see you back here, commenting.

      Cheers!

      quota raven

      • Mirren10 says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 11:36 am

        ” … the tool of “divide and conquer” to governments bent on imposing totalitarianism and one-world government on us?”

        Hanlon’s Razor, quota. And to stupidity, I would add, greed, selfishness, and a careless disregard for future generations. But ”bent on imposing totalitarianism and one-world government … ” ? Nope. As I said up there somewhere, they just ain’t that good. Or clever.

        • quota raven says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 1:14 pm

          to Mirren10, who asserts ” But ”bent on imposing totalitarianism and one-world government … ” ? Nope. As I said up there somewhere, they just ain’t that good. Or clever.”

          Perhaps you’re right. But what we are experiencing is totalitarianism, and where we are headed is globalist. Relentlessly, it seems to me. Maybe it’s just the progress of things. Maybe it’s organized by Mother Nature.

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • Peggy says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 5:24 pm

          Not that good or clever? What makes you think that? If it was only one or two countries behaving this way I would most likely agree with you but this is in every western country. It looks more like a organized plan. Surely they cant ALL be just greedy and all at the same time.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 8:41 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “Not that good or clever? What makes you think that?”

          What makes you think that political bodies and governments in general are efficient, effective or even productive? Have you ever seen a government *fixing* a problem, let alone in an efficient manner? How many countries are waging a war on drugs? Or facing problems with, for example, violent criminality? How about unemployment or foreign debt? Ever went to the DMV? I could list examples of government inefficiency all day, but that might be overkill. No, it’s not what makes Mirren believe governments are not that good or clever, it’s what makes you allegedly believe they *are* despite all demonstrable evidence to the contrary.

          “If it was only one or two countries behaving this way”

          Behaving how? Citations needed.

          “I would most likely agree with you but this is in every western country”

          Citation needed.

          “It looks more like a organized plan.”

          Wait, “it looks”? Are you trying to backpedal now? Play the “plausible deniability” card? You already claimed that governments worldwide are using islam to both enslave and kill their citizens (because it’s not like developed nations are facing demographic crises or anything, right? They can very well kill their citizens as they please) – the “well, it *looks* like a plan to me” boat sailed long ago, and you weren’t on board.

          “Surely they cant ALL be just greedy and all at the same time.”

          Why not? Why is it for you easier to allegedly believe in an organized, synchronized, worldwide conspiracy involving the most inefficient, ineffective organizations known to Man (governments) instead that human nature is everywhere the same and that regardless of the country you’ll have greedy people acting for their own self-interest at the expense of others? Why do you willingly choose to propagate insane anti-Western conspiracy theories instead of opting by the simplest explanation?

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 2:22 pm

          Agreed, Mirren.

    • RonaldB says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 12:04 pm

      To Mirren10 and quota raven: delightful to be engaging in a dialog with you.

      Mirren10: ” they will have to contend with being labelled as right-wing violent racist neo-Nazis, as the EDL in the UK have been. ”

      Of course they will have to contend with being called racists. It’s one of the stock items in the armory of cultural Marxists: to end an argument with buzzwords rather than logic. The proper approach to take is what Trump does: stick to your guns and give minimal credence to the critics. As a culture, we’re far too concerned with what people think about us, rather than speaking our concept of the truth.

      quota raven: “don’t you think the more there are of these identity groups marching in the streets (preaching “unity” as they splinter society!), the more Balkanized we become?”

      Identity politics is a lower rung of existence than the equal application of law and justice. Unfortunately, identity politics have already been forced on us: La Raza, Black Lives Matter, CAIR, NAACP and numerous small local identity groups already exert decisive political pressures through group action, including bloc voting and street demonstrations. I have worked with blacks and hispanics of great ability and integrity. Unfortunately, there is now a systematic pressure against whites and traditional Americans. I agree with those advocating a group identity, at least to a modified degree. By going back to a society of law, order, and meritocracy, other groups also derive great benefits.

      Mirren10: “they just ain’t that good” [Referring to the idea that governments are systematically breaking down social structures to promote totalitarian government.”

      I totally disagree with you. The leaders of the EU show great sophistication in devising bureaucratic complexity designed to hide totalitarian rule from accountability. Also, interest groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood have long-range plans and great sophistication. The Muslim Brotherhood has had great success in penetrating the decision-making branches of the US government. Also, the very wealthy advocates, such as the Saudi royal family and George Soros have had great success in using their money resources to buy influence. And these people have definite agendas. So, it is the greatest folly to attribute incompetence to those working to install a totalitarian government.

      • quota raven says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 1:28 pm

        Thanks for your smart reply, RonaldB – I completely agree with every word of what you say,, both to me and to Mirren10. Especially that last bit. As I commented to Mirren, we are experiencing totalitarianism right now, and we are headed, relentlessly, into globalism (and away from sovereignty)…I have believed for years that the nasty United Nations is poised to and beginning to take major role in global govt. See “environmental” measures. “affordable housing” measures (jihadi breeding grounds?). It’s right here with us, Agenda 21 and Agenda 30…permeating from the highest to lowest levels of government, ditto bureaucracies. I experienced this passionately, up close and personal in my NYS county, town and village. Look out, Possums! Andrew Cuomo for Governor? Great idea! H used to be in charge of HUD and supports and implements Agenda 21!

        That said, Ronald, it gives me a slight stomach ache to agree with you that we’ve already been pushed into identity politics and must ….organize or be eaten!

        Cheers!

        quota raven

      • Mirren10 says

        Jul 14, 2016 at 8:14 am

        RonaldB says:

        ”I totally disagree with you. The leaders of the EU show great sophistication in devising bureaucratic complexity designed to hide totalitarian rule from accountability.”

        It’s true the EU is an unelected bureaucracy, but doesn’t the fact that we, in the UK have voted to leave it, and the fact that *other* countries in the EU are also considering leaving, rather suggest their (the EU) attempts at totalitarian rule are crumbling ?

        ”Also, interest groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood have long-range plans and great sophistication.”

        Didn’t the Egyptians kick them out of Egypt ? A group may have long-range plans and ‘sophistication’, but that doesn’t make them infallible, or bound to succeed.

        ”The Muslim Brotherhood has had great success in penetrating the decision-making branches of the US government.”

        I’m sure you’re correct in this, and no doubt in the UK also, but I think this has far more to do with the venality, greed, and selfishness of non-muslims in power, than it has to do with the success of the Muslim Brotherhood. I agree with Wellington and others in this; we are in far more danger from the *enablers* than we are from islam, jihad attacks aside.

        ”Also, the very wealthy advocates, such as the Saudi royal family and George Soros have had great success in using their money resources to buy influence.”

        Money talks, always has, and probably always will. That’s nothing new.

        ”And these people have definite agendas.”

        No doubt. So have many groups throughout history had agendas; Cromwell’s Commonwealth, Lenin and Stalin’s Russia, Pol Pot, Baader-Meinhof, Weathermen, and many, many more. Ozymandias.

        ” So, it is the greatest folly to attribute incompetence to those working to install a totalitarian government.”

        *I* think it is far greater folly to attribute infallibility and limitless power to these people, if in fact they exist.

        We’ll have to agree to disagree on this.

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 8:29 am

          One question, though. You and quota, and some others here, seem to *want* such an ‘organisation’ to exist, (without providing any proof that it does). Why is that ?

        • quota raven says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 9:47 pm

          Mirren10 – I am misunderstood. I have never alluded to nor, indeed, even conceived of some “organization” that is pulling puppet strings behind the curtain, but there is certainly nothing fanciful about the power and relevance to government the Federal Reserve enjoys, nor the CIA nor the UN. There are a number of entities, unelected, in US bureaucracies who are moving relentlessly towards globalist economy and submitting to “agreements made with the UN” and will have no consideration for the US Constitution in the process. I am watching our nation’s sovereignty slip away before my very eyes.

          I personally believe we in the USA are enjoying a classic fascist government, a situation brought about in large part by corrupt politicians, a complacent, passive, indifferent populace, and some extremely wrong-headed decisions by the Supreme Court.

          I do not “want it to be true” that we are hurtling towards globalism. I am not a “truther” and do not entertain theories that US Govt and Larry Silverman were behind 9/11. I know the physical area well and worked there for nearly twenty years, and I hold such theories to be misguided. I was a member of the NYPD and only a few blocks away at the time of the first attempt to bomb the WTC, and I never had any doubt about who was behind that and the later attack.

          After I retired, I had more time to devote to politics, esp local politics, and I became aware of the UN plan called UN Agenda 21 and how, through HUD and the local/county government promoted what is called “affordable housing” in my quiet village. I learned how now NYS Governor collaborated with HUD and UN joint efforts to push the building of these society-burners on many unsuspecting villages and towns throughout the USA. I was active in trying to provide intel to the local populace and to lean, with others, on the Village and Town councils for some ten years. I learned a lot about government and government manipulation on a small and a large scale, from the lowest levels of government to the highest. Rob Astorino of Westchester County was my hero..

          My opinions are the result of the education, such as it is, my experience and career have afforded me. Hope that’s good enough!)))

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 11:57 am

          ”Mirren10 – I am misunderstood. I have never alluded to nor, indeed, even conceived of some “organization” that is pulling puppet strings behind the curtain … ”

          My apologies, quota.

        • quota raven says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 12:27 pm

          to Mirren10 – Accepted. Cheerfully.

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 17, 2016 at 3:20 pm

          Quota, I did not know that you were with the NYPD and worked near the WTC. I almost went there during a visit in 1998, but ran out of time–it was a very short trip focused on touching base with publishers.

          The next time I was in NYC was in early 2003, when the rubble had been cleared but Ground Zero still looked like a war zone, with surrounding buildings pock-marked by flying debris.

          I entered Ground Zero through the little two-hundred-year-old St. Paul’s Church and churchyard, and then came upon the terrible gaping hole of the twin towers site.

          After this, I redoubled my efforts to learn just what Islam was and what kind of threat it really presented to us.

    • Alain Barchichat says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 7:00 pm

      Very good idea, but remember well, that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Good luck!

  22. John A. Marre says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 9:54 am

    This is how the democrat party is forcing us to accept our new masters.

  23. Carolyne says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 9:59 am

    “Confucian bureaucracy?” More like Nazis who divided the world into “Us” ands “Them.” Obama has divided this country into those who will work and obey the law into those who will do neither, but expect the government to support them. They don’t care what the results of their actions will be so long as they get government money. How do you think the “Black Lives Matter” folks have time to run wild in the streets? They don’t have paying jobs nor do they want them. And the government continues this in order to get their votes.

  24. Mong says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    The mainstream media are gone. They’re brainwashed. We, the non brainwashed, must become the new media norm. We can’t trust people who propagate total garbage at the expense of the innocent. It’s time to do the right thing and the mainstream media are wrong and fat. Eating dirty biscuits all the time.

  25. Guest says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 1:52 pm

    If it were my daughter I would have killed the parents of those rapists and beat those brats so hard they wouldn’t even look at a girl without cringing!

    • eagle says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 5:47 pm

      I would say most good American people would feel as you do, myself included. However, our dear Muslim President knows what is good for America, Obama is fundamentally changing America to Sharia Law, the Muslim rule of law. The Quran states it is fine to rape infidel women and children. Until this becomes the new rule of law, the Obama administration has a blind eye for this horrific crime. As you know what the Muslim president said about little Travon, “Travon could be his little boy”. Well you can bet dimes for dollars he will not say this little girl could be his daughter. The American people has made a very big mistake allowing this Muslim to be president or have any Muslim in any position within the US government. Lock your doors, lock and load before you go to bed at night. We are becoming a third world country.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 7:21 pm

      And then *you* would be in prison, and your daughter more vulnerable than ever.

      I understand your instincts, but this will not help. We need to hold the police and courts’ feet to the fire.

  26. eagle says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    Our dear Muslim leader should be held responsible for this rape and Obama should pay for all the counseling that little girl needs for the rest of her life, and I don’t say the taxpayers money should be used. Remember the dear leader mentioned the Muslim call to prayer is the sweetest sound he has ever heard? Obama wants to increase the number of Muslim refugees coming into this country. The refugees have voting rights! How much longer will Congress allow this mockery of the US constitution be allowed. It must be clear by now what this Muslim leader is up to and why is he allowed to continue destroying America. Where is the rule of law? You see in the Muslim Quran it is OK to rape infidel women and children. Because the rapists are Muslim, Obama and the press allows Sharia Law. They get the Muslim religion exemption. Obama doesn’t want to offend the Muslim Cult. We Americans are second class citizens to Obama’s Muslim guests. Obama should take full responsibility for pushing this Muslim hazard onto the American people. Does anyone agree????

    • quota raven says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 5:50 pm

      to Eagle, who recalls: “Remember the dear leader mentioned the Muslim call to prayer is the sweetest sound he has ever heard?”

      Hey, Eagle! Obama’s not the only one who feels that way! Check out this guy:

      https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vogp-n1-JPA

      Cheers!

      Quota Raven

      • RonaldB says

        Jul 14, 2016 at 9:17 am

        Hahahaha

        • quota raven says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 9:51 pm

          ))))At LAST!!! Someone finally watched that! I watch it about ten times a day)))qr

        • eagle says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 2:47 pm

          A person might note, these people have voting rights as per one of Obama’s executive orders. One might ask, why the big push to get the big Muslim numbers into the country??? Hello??? Does anyone care??? Will someone get a message to Congress to somehow over ride this executive order??? Hello??? Anyone home?? Congress will take another 7 week vacation. What is going on? The American people are just like the frog in a pot of boiling water, he doesn’t know he is being boiled alive like the American people. I can’t spell it out any more simply than this??? Almost every state now has legalized Pot. I think Congress is all on pot, no one cares? Does anyone know Obama is funding the Muslim takeover of America with the taxpayer dollars through the refugee program? Paul Ryan does know. They all know. The American people have nothing to say about any of it. Trump or anyone running has no chance to win the election against Hillary. Obama will make certain. Come October, if Hillary does not look like the winner with the American people, Obama will declare Marshall Law, Congress can go home for good. When the Muslims in this country vote, congress can go home for good. Hillary will install Sharia Law and we will all have a good Muslim as a neighbor who reads the Quran, which says through Sharia Law they can treat infidel women and children like cattle and it is fine to rape the infidel woman and children. Obama will be going door to door collecting the guns so his Muslim Brotherhood will not be harmed. It probably is too late for the American people at this time, however, it might be better to know about your enemy and confront them face to face than to be like those in Europe and the middle east and be slaughtered like sheep, with no chance to save your women and children from these mentally ill excuses of mankind. Lock your doors at night, get a good dog and lock and load before you go to bed.
          http://cis.org/rush/white-house-recruits-private-sector-increase-refugee-admissions
          Clinton Cash…. Have you seen this?
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkfE10g8xbc
          Another good one about the Clintons. So many stories so little time.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 17, 2016 at 3:22 pm

          Yes–that’s hilarious! No wonder Muslims hate dogs–they’re onto them!

  27. Bruce says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 7:00 pm

    Seems like she is going about it all wrong. It should be given over to ”Louie and Al”
    Now ,they can and will handle it .

  28. Peggy says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    Angemon said:

    Hi Peggy. First of all, I was addressing Carolyne, not you. Makes no difference to me, since this is a public forum, but you have, in the past, spewed vitriol at me for addressing users when they were not addressing me first, so I’d expect you to apply the same standards to you – which you clearly don’t.

    ==================
    First of all, you are the one who set the rules here. No matter what I wrote or who I replied to there you were having a go.
    I asked you not to but you kept going saying it’s a public forum
    Well sunshine, don’t be hypocritical now. I am only going by your standards. Now you don’t like it?

    • Angemon says

      Jul 13, 2016 at 9:12 pm

      Peggy posted:

      “First of all, you are the one who set the rules here. No matter what I wrote or who I replied to there you were having a go.”

      Huh, no, I didn’t. *You* were the one who tried to set rules about not replying to people who weren’t addressing me to begin with. I scoffed at that very notion, of course, with this being a public forum. I also pointed out, on several occasions, that the rules you tried to impose on me were not applicable to you – you never had problems addressing others who were not addressing you first even though you tried to discredit me for doing so. In one word: hypocrite.

      “I asked you not to but you kept going saying it’s a public forum”

      Yeah – that’s what I said. And you kept trying to discredit me for addressing people who were not addressing me first, even though you did the same. Like I said, hypocrite.

      “Well sunshine, don’t be hypocritical now. I am only going by your standards. Now you don’t like it?”

      Huh, are you daft? I specifically stated it made no difference to me but it made to *you*. You are the one not living up according to your standards. Surely you’ve read it when you read my post, copied what I wrote and pasted it on your post, right?

      And isn’t it funny that you only address the first part of my post and ignore the part where I asked you to back your claim? Why, if I didn’t know any better, I’d think you were simply trying to insult me by coming up with a convoluted excuse to claim I was being “hypocritical”! No, wait, it’s the other way around – I’ve seen you do this many times. You ignore the discussion at hand and latch on to bits of my posts so you can freely insult me – even though you often claim I attack you to vent my alleged rage.

      So, where’s the citation I asked you for? You know, about governments worldwide using islam to kill their citizens because “they” don’t need so many of us?

      • Peggy says

        Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 pm

        Seriously, you are just not worth my time any more.
        If I am worth your time then go ahead and keep jabbing me and annoying me.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 13, 2016 at 10:27 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “Seriously, you are just not worth my time any more.
          If I am worth your time then go ahead and keep jabbing me and annoying me.
          ”

          Translation: “you won’t get any of the citations you asked for”. I try to stick to the matter at hand and Peggy runs from it like a cockroach from light – surprising no one, I’d bet…

          Not that I take such a claim at face value – this is not the first time she’s placed on the spot and claims to start to ignore what I say, and I bet it won’t be the last. No, I bet she’ll be back at it and flinging slanderous vitriolic insults in my general direction soon enough.

  29. somehistory says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    A little OT, but since it concerns islam…not too far.

    The photo of the little boys reading…have to wonder what?

    Did anyone else watch the Frontline program last night?

    Saudi Arabia Uncovered.
    One of the parts was filmed…undercover…in a mosque where all must go on Friday. Someone who has been in touch with the producers recorded the cleric giving a sermon and saying that “Jews had polluted the land”….and much more.

    Undercover filming of a young boy with his school book where he read that “Christians must be beheaded” and that “all Christians must be killed until there are none left.” ,There was much about the “hatred that moslims must have for Christians.

    It was surprising that they actually played these parts of the program on PBS. About the books, the government there says they are working on *changing* the words, lessons.
    It was an hour program and much more was said. Obviously, I cannot write everything.
    Some of it dealt with the poverty, (25% of the people), the unrest even of some of the sunni population, where the government has spent its money, beheadings in public, lashing…

  30. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Jul 14, 2016 at 4:14 am

    Here’s who’s doing all the cover-ups, and how and why:

    http://unclevladdi.blogspot.ca/2016/06/look-whos-covering-up-muslims-rape-of-5.html

    • RonaldB says

      Jul 14, 2016 at 9:32 am

      It occurs to me that until your post,it is not mentioned even in this article or thread, that the atrocity took place in Twin Falls.

      And thanks for your very chilling summary of the complete takeover of the Twin Falls political, administrative, and policing agencies by Islamists and hard-core Marxists. It leaves one to question how rabidly anti-American elements can make such a clean sweep of a supposedly American city. Is the electorate also hard-core,or are they unconcerned, apathetic, or simply bypassed?

      • UNCLE VLADDI says

        Jul 14, 2016 at 7:28 pm

        The American ethos seems to be buy-low and sell-high; right now, muslims have money, so those that don’t are considered expendable by the political elites. Only once there is no money in politics can the corruption and infiltration be eliminated. Luckily for us, that *should* be easy:

        HERE’S HOW TO PERMANENTLY FIX DEMOCRACY:

        The real solution is to abolish all (already, technically illegal) political “parties” entirely.

        These days, most if not ALL elected politicians are statists who always want to grow government to reward followers, who are more concerned with the ‘rights’ of their own groups (parties) than with any of their constituents, because if the other members of their party cause it to fall, they fall too.

        Similarly, they will therefore also protect their own political CLASS – members of BOTH parties – lest they all fall as one, too.

        The reason corporazi globalist traitors can puppetize the politicians is because the divisive interest-conflicted political party gangs exist at all. Capitalism will always lead inevitably to communism – to an oligarchy owned by a few rich people. If there were NO funds allowed, no campaigning, but only platforms posted on free websites, and where the people could DIRECTLY appoint the elected politicians to their cabinet positions, the power of corporate money to influence elections would be reduced to near-zero.

        Each politician would then be beholden ONLY to the people who elected them, not to group-rights loyalty conflicts.

        Imagine if, as the company’s (i.e: country’s) owners, we hired a workers’ pool of candidates, and THEY suddenly got to declare which of them would be CEO, CFO/comptroller, etc, not even based on any credentials, merit or academic qualifications, but only on cult of personality (or secret backroom bribery deals).

        Oh, wait – that’s exactly what we’ve got NOW!

        So the quick, simple, easy and cheap solution for how to fix democracy, is:

        If we just hold 2 quick, back-to-back elections each time (the first, as usual, to hire the worker’s pool of our Public SERVANTS from our districts, and the second where WE ALL appoint them DIRECTLY to their cabinet portfolio positions) then we eliminate their self-interested conflicts of loyalty-dividing political “parties,” (which always only “party” at our direct expense, anyway,) forever!

        And this would instantly lead to the best of both systems: the first past the post requirement to hire the local candidates, and then the overall proportional vote, assigning them to their cabinet portfolio positions!

        😉

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 14, 2016 at 10:22 pm

          UNCLE VLADDI wrote:

          The American ethos seems to be buy-low and sell-high; right now, muslims have money, so those that don’t are considered expendable by the political elites.
          ……………………….

          Not all Muslims have money; certainly most of those in Europe are on the dole.

          The same is true of the Mohammedans here on public assistance.

          This has more to do with the pernicious effects of “political correctness” than being directly bought out by Muslims.

      • quota raven says

        Jul 14, 2016 at 10:16 pm

        to RonaldB – who asks somewhat plaintively, “Is the electorate also hard-core,or are they unconcerned, apathetic, or simply bypassed?”

        Well, the short version might be: USA population is now divided into just about exactly two equal parts: 50% on govt assistance, 50% working like dogs to provide for themselves and their families. So the first half are deeply committed to welfare and govt assistance. The second half has to pay for all this, so they have really to work their asses off to have enough left over for their own private responsibilities. They have no time to read extensively into jihad, taxes, trade agreements, they haven’t even got time to step up and say NO to men in little girls’ locker rooms!

        In terms of “bypassed”? AND HOW! Not only by govt policy, but by the media. Local media did not inform the locals of ANYTHING that really went on in Town Hall in the small village and town I lived in. At the County level, power was unbridled, in my opinion, and most County dwellers had no clue what they are up to.

        So yes, BYPASSED, too..BTW, Thank you, Ronald B, for the info about officials and others in Twin Falls, ID.

        Cheers!

        quota raven

        • eagle says

          Jul 15, 2016 at 2:56 pm

          Think we need more?? See if you can save enough time to watch the rest of the story…
          A person might note, these people have voting rights as per one of Obama’s executive orders. One might ask, why the big push to get the big Muslim numbers into the country??? Hello??? Does anyone care??? Will someone get a message to Congress to somehow over ride this executive order??? Hello??? Anyone home?? Congress will take another 7 week vacation. What is going on? The American people are just like the frog in a pot of boiling water, he doesn’t know he is being boiled alive like the American people. I can’t spell it out any more simply than this??? Almost every state now has legalized Pot. I think Congress is all on pot, no one cares? Does anyone know Obama is funding the Muslim takeover of America with the taxpayer dollars through the refugee program? Paul Ryan does know. They all know. The American people have nothing to say about any of it. Trump or anyone running has no chance to win the election against Hillary. Obama will make certain. Come October, if Hillary does not look like the winner with the American people, Obama will declare Marshall Law, Congress can go home for good. When the Muslims in this country vote, congress can go home for good. Hillary will install Sharia Law and we will all have a good Muslim as a neighbor who reads the Quran, which says through Sharia Law they can treat infidel women and children like cattle and it is fine to rape the infidel woman and children. Obama will be going door to door collecting the guns so his Muslim Brotherhood will not be harmed. It probably is too late for the American people at this time, however, it might be better to know about your enemy and confront them face to face than to be like those in Europe and the middle east and be slaughtered like sheep, with no chance to save your women and children from these mentally ill excuses of mankind. Lock your doors at night, get a good dog and lock and load before you go to bed.
          http://cis.org/rush/white-house-recruits-private-sector-increase-refugee-admissions
          Clinton Cash…. Have you seen this?
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkfE10g8xbc
          Another good one about the Clintons. So many stories so little time.

  31. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Jul 15, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    Eagle (above) is annoyed by Obama’s “EXECUTIVE ORDERS” one of which he says:

    “A person might note, these people have voting rights as per one of Obama’s executive orders. One might ask, why the big push to get the big Muslim numbers into the country??? Hello??? Does anyone care??? Will someone get a message to Congress to somehow over ride this executive order??? Hello??? Anyone home?? Congress will take another 7 week vacation. What is going on? The American people are just like the frog in a pot of boiling water, he doesn’t know he is being boiled alive like the American people. I can’t spell it out any more simply than this??? Almost every state now has legalized Pot. I think Congress is all on pot, no one cares? Does anyone know Obama is funding the Muslim takeover of America with the taxpayer dollars through the refugee program? Paul Ryan does know. They all know. The American people have nothing to say about any of it. ”

    Well, “Executive Orders” Are NOT Carte-Blanche Decrees or Fatwas!
    Here’s what I’ve learned about them so far:

    Executive orders can only LEGALLY apply to legislation for which Congress actually writes them into it – i.e: “This and that part of this law can be managed by the President!”

    http://unclevladdi.blogspot.ca/2016/07/executive-orders-are-not-carte-blanche.html

  32. linnte says

    Jul 16, 2016 at 10:59 am

    Quotha Raven, per your July 15th 6:22 post on the wonderful Huskie competing with the Imam; It was wonderful and it even made MY dog howl! hahahahahah! As for my feelings on the New World Order, yes, I believe it is a goal and one that we should be intensely aware of. Big Money is our enemy also. But I really think George Orwell prepared people all to well for this NWO to come to fruition like Mirren 10 believes too. Revolution will happen before it does. IMO. And lastly, I am a 62 year old retired RN with eight grandkids whom are my total reason for even being involved in the anti-jihad movement. I am a woman. And I surely hope Mirren is correct about the falicy of the NWO. I am very grateful for everyone’s efforts here to educate the masses regarding Islam, especially ROBERT SPENCER! ?

    • quota raven says

      Jul 16, 2016 at 11:52 am

      To Linnte – Glad you liked the pious pooch, and thanks for you personal intro. So you’re a girl! I thought so for a while, but then I changed my mind. Now I’ll change it back)))) I’m a granny, too, of two, and like you, they are the ones I think about while acquainting myself with jihad and their alarming presence everywhere.

      Cheers!

      quota raven

      • linnte says

        Jul 16, 2016 at 12:23 pm

        We are granny WARRIORS! It is wonderful! GO GRANNIES! And I adore you! And Graven, and Champ, Kathy, Dumbledore, Peggy, Angemon (had to put those two names together hahahaha!) And so many others!

        • quota raven says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 3:34 pm

          Agreed, and smiling)))qr

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 3:42 pm

          Thank you, guys. I stand with you all.

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