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Mainstream media covers up Munich killer’s jihad, tries to link him to Breivik

Jul 23, 2016 5:07 pm By Robert Spencer

This is what we know: this is a time of sorting. The political and media elites are threatened to a degree they have not been in decades or longer. Brexit and the success of Donald Trump have challenged their hegemony and threatened to end it altogether. It would be naive in the extreme to assume that they won’t strike back, and try to protect that hegemony by any and every possible means. That means, if Hillary Clinton is elected, the likely end of the First Amendment and the enactment of laws criminalizing “hate speech,” by which will be meant opposition to jihad terror.

And in the meantime, we should not be surprised to see desperate rear-guard attempts, however ludicrous, to fool people and divert them from the obvious, particularly in regard to jihad terror attacks. The elites, besotted with the multiculturalist idea, enthralled with internationalism, and intent on socialist leveling, are importing Muslims into Western countries in staggering numbers. Yet every jihad massacre awakens more non-Muslims in the West to the suicidal folly of this program. And so the public must be fooled into thinking that none of the jihad attacks are actually jihad attacks. The Orlando jihadi, you see, he was gay and exacting revenge for a bad relationship, or for getting AIDS. The Nice jihadi, you see, he was a bad driver. This one had psychological problems. That one was bullied by his non-Muslim coworkers. That one over there, he got kicked out of a study group. And on and on. Every jihad attack was not jihad, if you believe the mainstream media: yes, it just happened to involve a Muslim screaming “Allahu akbar” as he opened fire, but you see, the reality is that he had a troubled childhood, doncha know?

Oh, and the Munich jihadi did indeed scream “Allahu akbar”:

“Munich shooting: 9 victims, gunman dead, police say,” by Catherine E. Shoichet, Ralph Ellis and Jason Hanna, CNN, July 23, 2016:

Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is great” in Arabic.

“I know this because I’m Muslim. I hear this and I only cry,” she said.

“Did Munich killer Ali Sonboly lure children to their deaths on Facebook? Police probe fake ad for free food at massacre McDonald’s where Iranian, 18, killed first of his nine victims before turning gun on himself,” by Anthony Joseph, Patrick Lion and Alan Hall, Mailonline, July 23, 2016:

But just a week after another teenager attacker launched an ISIS-inspired axe attack on a German train, witnesses in McDonald’s described hearing yesterday’s attacker shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’, or ‘God is Great’, a cry used by Islamist terrorists during previous attacks. And ISIS supporters took to social media in the hours after yesterday’s atrocity to celebrate the killings.

“What we know about Ali David Sonboly after he named as Munich shopping centre massacre gunman,” by Sam Adams, Mirror, July 23, 2016:

In footage he was seen bursting from a McDonald’s restaurant toilet before opening fire on children he reportedly screamed ‘Allahu Akbar’ before shooting them at close range.

Not long before he hijacked a jetliner and flew it into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, Mohamed Atta wrote this to himself: “When the confrontation begins, strike like champions who do not want to go back to this world. Shout, ‘Allahu Akbar,’ because this strikes fear in the hearts of the non-believers.”

So in the face of this, the mainstream media narrative is that Munich jihad murderer Ali Sonboly was inspired not by Islam and jihad, but by…Anders Breivik:

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Look at the Telegraph’s headline: “Live: Munich shooting: Teenage killer Ali Sonboly ‘inspired by far-right terrorist Anders Breivik’ and ‘used Facebook offer of free McDonald’s food to lure victims,'” by Harriet Alexander, Barney Henderson, Chiara Palazzo, Luke Heighton, James Rothwell, Zia Weise, Camilla Turner, and Justin Huggler, Telegraph, July 23, 2016.

Now, with that headline in mind, read the salient portion of the Telegraph’s story:

Dr Peter Langman, the author of Why Kids Kill, the book which was found among Ali Sonboly’s possessions told The Telegraph he was “distressed” at the thought the book was being used in the wrong way.

He said: “It’s disturbing, I don’t know why he had the book. It could be he was better trying to understand himself because he needed mental health treatment and he was trying to get help. Or it could be he was looking for a role model. A lot of young shooters look for an Anders Breivik, or someone similar, as a role model. And since the attack was on the anniversary of the Norway attack, it suggests he was imitating Breivik….

According to German newspaper Bild.de, classmates said he had even used an image of Breivik as his profile picture on the social media network WhatsApp.

Does any of that establish what the Telegraph headline announces, that Sonboly was inspired by Breivik? No. In fact, it was Langman, not Sonboly, who linked Sonboly to Breivik. Authorities found the book Why Kids Kill among Sonboly’s possessions. It could have been there for any number of reasons, but in any case Langman uses it to link Sonboly to Breivik. Authorities did not find any “right-wing” or “anti-immigrant” literature among Sonboly’s possessions, or you can be sure they would have said so. The Telegraph also tells us that his classmates said that Sonboly had a picture of Breivik on his WhatsApp page, but provides no screenshot or anything else that would make this claim anything more than hearsay.

And even if Sonboly had admired Breivik, that in itself doesn’t establish that Sonboly was the “right-wing extremist terrorist” for which the mainstream media has been pining for so long. He may have admired his technique, not his ideology. We should remember in this connection that Sonboly’s parents were immigrants from Iran. Is it really likely that he harbored nativist “anti-immigrant” sentiment?

Needless to say, the Telegraph doesn’t bother to inform its readers that Sonboly screamed “Allahu akbar” as he opened fire. And the BBC is even worse:

“Munich gunman ‘obsessed with mass shootings,'” BBC, July 23, 2016:

The 18-year-old gunman who killed nine people in Munich was obsessed with mass shootings but had no known links to the Islamic State group, German police say.

Written material on such attacks was found in his room. Munich’s police chief spoke of links to the massacre by Norway’s Anders Behring Breivik.

Note the artfully deceptive writing. If anything actually linking Sonboly to Breivik had been found in Sonboly’s room, the BBC and other media sources would have said so plainly. The juxtaposition of these two sentences gives the impression that something linking him to Breivik was found in Sonboly’s room, but in fact all we have there is an assertion by Munich’s police chief that the shooting was linked to Breivik. Given the failure to produce any evidence to support this, and German authorities’ record of covering up crimes by Muslims, this link is extremely questionable.

The gunman, who had dual German-Iranian nationality, later killed himself.

His name has not been officially released but he is being named locally as David Sonboly….

The BBC doesn’t think it is important to tell you that the killer’s name was actually Ali David Sonboly. Why did they drop the “Ali”? Maybe so as not to give aid to those dreaded “right-wing extremists” by giving people the impression that there might be something to be concerned about in Islamic jihad?

The BBC added:

Munich police chief Hubertus Andrae said there was an “obvious” link between the new attack and Friday’s fifth anniversary of Breivik’s attacks in Norway, when he murdered 77 people….

But here again, Andrae doesn’t explain why Sonboly’s link to Breivik is “obvious.” He simply asserts it, with all the weight of his office, and that’s that.

Also needless to say, the BBC doesn’t see fit to inform its readers about how Sonboly screamed “Allahu akbar.” You don’t need to know that. It doesn’t fit what the political and media elites want you to believe; therefore it didn’t happen. Go back to sleep. When the knife slices through your throat, your death will be quick and almost painless, I promise.

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  1. Nan Barr says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    He was a Shiite Muslim of Iranian origin.

    He killed mostly Sunni Muslims young people.

    At least 3 were Sunni Muslims from Kosovo who were ethnic Albanians.

    Under the code of LEK , an Albanian code, every member of his family is a target to be killed.

    • Keys says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 6:19 pm

      Nan Barr, thank you for your comment. I was unaware of the Albanian LEK code.
      I don’t know how you found out that 3 were Sunni – that is news as well.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 7:48 pm

        Keys, this article does not note the religion of the victims–but three were from Turkey; one sounded mainstream German from his name, but has a testimonial from one Shohel Chowdhury; one is from Kosovo, one from Albania, one from Greece.

        “Munich shooting: Who are the victims of the attack?”

        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/munich-shooting-victims-attack-a7152231.html

        They seem to be a mix of Infidels and Sunni Muslims.

        This is common in Jihad, where both Infidels and other-sect Muslims are targets.

        For instance, the Sunni Islamic State regularly slaughters and enslaves Christians, Yezidis, and Shi’ite Muslims.

        • Brainwashed Society says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 8:57 pm

          The guy from Greece is an Turk!I think Hussein was his name…

          Im sure he was mobbed by muslims.

          Once i saw a Video on youtube where Turks attacked an Iranian in Germany and sayed that he have to kiss her shoes….

        • Keys says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 9:34 pm

          Thanks, GI. Appreciate the link.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 5:54 pm

          Thanks, Keys.

      • Nan Barr says

        Jul 24, 2016 at 2:21 am

        I saw it in the British press. They had pictures and names of the SUNNI Muslims from KOSOVO.

        They also had a few other names. MOST were Islamic sounding. There was a Greek but he is apparently an Albanian who used to live in Greece. I have friends in the UK and they saw other things in the press. They will send me maybe tomorrow.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 7:53 pm

      Nan, all Muslims believe in this kind of revenge and collective guilt. I think the Albanian code is mostly noteworthy because it is an Islamic “tradition” in Europe itself.

      • Mazo says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 8:38 pm

        Idiot above doesn’t realize that collective punishment and clan warfare were endemic to the Balkans and Sicily to different religions and ethnicities. Orthodox Christian Montenegrins practiced it, there are Orthodox and Catholic Albanians and Catholic Sicilians are infamous for vendettas.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 9:20 pm

          The mendacious Mazo leaves out that Sicily and Serbia were, at given points in their history, under islamic rule. Go look up the etymology of the word “Mafia”, look at what the Mafiosos do and tell me the Mafia isn’t quintessentially islamic…

        • Nan Barr says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 2:26 am

          EXCUSE me but YOU did NOT just call me an idiot did YOU ??

          IF you did I will complain to the man in charge. THAT IS NOT PROPER behavior here on this site.

          The Code of LEK is an Albanian code and it is still used there.

          I HAVE knowledge of it being used as late as LAST Year.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 8:02 am

          Heads-up: “Mazo” is a long time islamic apologist, always eager to toss sand and whitewash islam and jihad.

        • Mazo says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 4:44 pm

          I did not reply to Nan Barr and did not address Nan Barr. The post was addressed to the person trying to claim Albanian vendettas are from Islam.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 6:05 pm

          Actually, Nan, the appalling Muslim supremacist Mazo was probably insulting me, and not yourself.

          But he regularly insults good Anti-Jihadists here–this is pretty much his MO. He usually makes false claims–as here–and insists that anyone who challenges his apologia must be some sort of idiot.

          Mazo’s comments are not pretty, but are very revealing of the Muslim mindset.

  2. Sam Hawkins says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    The Telegraph also tells us that his classmates said that Sonboly had a picture of Breivik on his WhatsApp page, but provides no screenshot or anything else that would make this claim anything more than hearsay.

    Right, but that the gunman screamed “allahu ackbar” in McDonalds is also hearsay. Assuming that the CNN journo accurately reported what he was told over the telephone by a woman who claimed to have been present for the shooting, it still needs to be established that (1) she was in fact on the scene and (2) she is telling the truth about “allahu ackbar”. Both could be established by comparing testimony from survivors who were in McDonald’s.

    • echo says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 5:43 pm

      It is not heasay. Listen to her yourself in this recording –

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_mtoB-DdSY

      I trust her more than I trust all of mainstream media combined.

      • Sam Hawkins says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 5:56 pm

        Thank you. So there is audio from the witness, not only the journalist’s report.

        It raises the credibility a notch. Nonetheless, my questions (1) and (2) above still need answering before we can take this as a fact.

        • echo says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 6:15 pm

          We are on agreement – points 1 and 2 still need answering.

          I do not believe the goverment or media will answer those questions honestly – if at all. It seem this recording and what the eye wittness said will be gently cleansed from the official history of this story.

          As I said before, I trust her testomony more than I trust all of the mainstream media’s babble combined.

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 12:42 pm

          LaPunta, another idiot.

          A PERSON IS NOT A WITNESS UNTIL SHE IS IDENTIFIED AND IT IS VERIFIED THAT SHE WAS ON THE SCENE.

          Got that? Now put on a dunce cap and stand in the corner with Chump.

        • Champ says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 4:47 pm

          “Sam” wrote:

          Got that? Now put on a dunce cap and stand in the corner with Chump.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          On another thread “Sam” referred to me as “Chump” and an “idiot”, and now he’s stating the same here.

          Notice that I haven’t even commented on this thread yet, so “Sam” is dragging his argument with me from one thread to another–which is against JW policy, and something Marisol warned people about and even banned people over.

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 4:56 pm

          ”Got that? Now put on a dunce cap and stand in the corner with Chump.”

          The only ‘Chump’ here is you.

          Why are you so determined to believe this is *not* a jihad attack ? Wait, let me guess …

        • Champ says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 5:30 pm

          Mirren10, thank you, dear friend. 🙂

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 6:10 pm

          Why is Sam insulting staunch Anti-Jihadist Champ?

        • Champ says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 6:20 pm

          Graven wrote:

          Why is Sam insulting staunch Anti-Jihadist Champ?

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          On another thread I asked “Sam” a few questions, challenging his line of thinking, and then he went off on me. You can read what I wrote and his nasty response to me here:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/munich-jihad-shooting-exposes-media-double-standard#comments

        • marc says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 9:04 pm

          “LaPunta, another idiot.

          A PERSON IS NOT A WITNESS UNTIL SHE IS IDENTIFIED AND IT IS VERIFIED THAT SHE WAS ON THE SCENE.

          Got that? Now put on a dunce cap and stand in the corner with Chump.”

          This is really not nice Sam. the rules of evidence no longer apply when you have complicit and incompetent journalists with police and authorities proven to have been covering up for their muslim overlords. Shouting as you have done here will not change that.

        • Champ says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 9:43 pm

          Bravo, Marc, excellent point! ..and thank you 🙂

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Jul 25, 2016 at 2:13 am

          Sorry, marc, but you are wrong. Rules of evidence are rules of evidence, they apply regardless of external circumstances.

      • linnte says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 6:27 pm

        But “Loretta” is a Muslim. And we trust her? Maybe she got out because she knew the shooter?

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 8:00 pm

          Linnte, it looks like this Shia murderer was targeting Sunnis as well as Infidels, so maybe not. Probably more the same situation that exists in any massacre–that the gunman can’t kill everybody–often some escape.

          I tend to believe her, even though I have your same reservations when it comes to testimony from Muslims. Why? Because she seemed reluctant to say that the shooter was screaming “Allahu Akbar”, because she knew that reflects on her creed.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 7:56 pm

        Thanks for posting that, Echo.

      • Carmel says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 9:37 pm

        As soon as ” Loretta ” start to speak on the video , my first impression at the first word was : “She speak with the usual muslim woman submiitted voice .” Notice that she said the murderer tell twice Allahu Akbar. For me , it is a clue that she is telling the truth . If she would have said she heard it once, it could be doubtful . Finally , why do you think authorities called her Loretta ? Why didn,t they called her Fatima or Aisha which is nearest to his real name ?

        • echo says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 2:24 am

          I believed her because she said ‘I could cry’.

          Those words were said with such heart break for the shooting, her religion, the world we live in.

          I instantly liked, trusted and felt sorry for her….. more than any anchor on a televisiion telling me his heart felt feelings.

          I feel sorry for a lot of muslim people. Those who do not want kill others (like this woman) are good honest people. However. I do not like islam, I disagree with it, and passionately hope it does not grow to the point that we are all living under sharia.

    • Keys says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 6:54 pm

      Sam Hawkins, my hunch is we will not get the answers to your 2 questions from the media or the government to our satisfaction. Even if “they” let us compare the testimony of other witnesses (by releasing all their statements) we still have to make judgements about their credibility, (under threat, duress, stress) etc. And if an official says “we interviewed all the survivors” and none of them heard him yell “Allah Akbar”, we still have to wonder if the official is being honest. Did we get the truth about Benghazi right away? Some people still believe Hillary.

      I believe he did say Allah Akbar just as the woman described; that’s my judgment at this point, but my mind could be convinced otherwise, but I don’t think that is likely.

      • Sam Hawkins says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 7:10 pm

        I share your suspicion and distrust of the authorities and the media (especially in Germany), but that is different from treating something as established fact.

        • Keys says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 8:56 pm

          Sam – thanks for your rely. I agree there is a differnce, of course.

          My point is that we are in a position to make judgments without all the facts. We are not going to get them all. This is exactly the position Islamists want us to be in. Obfuscation. And the MSM is obfuscating because of their political agendas and powerful supporters.

          I think Robert Spencer’s article here is an true assessment of the MSM’s spin on the tragedy; he is wisely pointing out that we do not have all the facts, the truth, from the MSM.

          Even conservative Fox News is still reporting tonight the Brievek “connection” and not mentioning Allah Akbar.

          If the MSM can convince people there is a Brievik connection, then these killings primarily have nothing to do with Islam. That is their intent and mantra ….. Violence has nothing to do with Islam, the ROP. Thus, they do not mention Allah Akbar because that is Islamic. Obfuscation.

          Another poster reminded us that Brievik did not say Allah Akbar. That is a fact, beyond a reasonable doubt. This killer said it, I believe. That’s my stand; I could be wrong, but I’d have to be convinced otherwise.

          Respectfully, Sam, when will you make a judgment on this incident? When you have all the facts? How will you know when you have them all?

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 9:05 pm

          Keys, I have given you my (provisional) verdict already: NO JIHAD.

          Am open to revising my opinion when I get facts pointing in the other direction (and I do mean *facts*).

          Why are you making such a big deal out of this? After all, it’s not like there is a shortage of bona fide jihad terror attacks. One more or one less won’t make a difference.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 2:06 pm

      Why is there only a single, MUSLIM source for the shouting of “Allahu Akbar” during a massacre in a public place with numerous non-Muslims present?

      As noted elsewhere, a look at intra-Muslim suicide attacks occurring e.g. in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan shows that it is usually Sunnis committing suicide attacks against Shiites, including (especially) Shiite “holy sites.” Suicide attacks by Shiites against Sunnis seem very rare.

  3. Nan Barr says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    Also, I read he was bullied by other Muslim kids and they were ARABS or TURKS… SUNNIS.

    WHAT if he was a Persian Christian??

    I just wonder if he was sexually assaulted as a younger boy by older Sunni Muslim boys since according to Sunnis , he was an apostate.

    LOTS of anger in this young man. He was being treated for depression too. With meds?

    I hate to see Germany now have all this inter-sectarian Muslim violence. BUT they invited all these folks.

    • Jay Boo says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 6:08 pm

      A lot of excuses for the premeditated hate crime.

      I expect that the leftist elite will devout about five nano-seconds of self-righteous indignation at the murder of innocent children (by a Muslim) because they feel that do less would trouble their hypocritical conscience.

    • Hwilsongoon says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 6:08 pm

      Im waiting to see proof of his religious background. I still think this was sectarian.

      Bringing the ME wars to Europe.

      Feel the enrichment.

      • Mockingjay says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 6:42 pm

        “Bringing the ME wars to Europe”

        Oh Yes.

        Have you heard about how the turkish “Gülen” and “Erdogan” – supporters are at eachother ‘s throat since the failed coup – IN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, where most of them have lived for up to three generations?

        From reports I read and saw, the “Erdogan-turks” are really starting to get into it.

        • Hwilsongoon says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 9:31 pm

          Oh hell, Turkish Grey Wolves, this could be an ugly war. No wonder Merkel has called for an emergency meeting.

    • Elliott says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 6:16 pm

      If you have ever known any Persians you will know that they consider themselves superior, both culturally, intellectually and racially, to other Muslims. This applies to the rest of the world also but they have a special contempt for ethnics who are not white or Caucasian.

      Refugees, economic migrants and older migrant groups are competing for increasingly scarce resources in a alien culture which is turning on them. Beside sectarian hostility, this Muslim boy was probably hearing about increasing difficulty of his parents in an economic situation, and cultural one also, in which millions of competitors are overrunning them in a increasingly hostile economic environment in addition to his own personal problems fitting into a culture that most Persians would consider inferior. The Germans have created a powder keg and this misfit is just one symptom of it.

      • Mazo says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 8:33 pm

        Albanians and Anatolian Turks are white caucasians.

        The Iranian killed Turks and Albanians and expressed hatred against Turks. This has nothing to do with physical appearance like skin color. An Iranian nationalist might look down on blacks as inferior but at the same time hate white skinned Turks much more than blacks.

        There is a difference between looking at people as inferior and hating them.

        Saddam’s Arab nationalists viewed blacks as inferior. But they didn’t exterminate the black Iraqi population descended from slaves. They just left the blacks in their slums and didn’t take action against them. However, Saddam’s Arabs hated fellow caucasian Kurds so much that they used mustard gas against them.

        The Iranian might have had ethnic beef against Turks like the relationship between pre World War II France and Germany. He targeted Turks, not blacks or Somalis.

        • Western Canadian says

          Jul 25, 2016 at 8:10 pm

          Applying the term ‘Caucasian’ to whites, is absolutely, screamingly funny….

    • Rob says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 7:30 pm

      Well that’s the big excuse in addition to the ones Robert mentions: ‘He was nice kid but occasionally he stopped his meds’.
      BTW What tends to be left out of the Breivik narrative is the fact that those innocent kumbaya-singing, marshmallow-toasting victims, were engaged in some pretty extreme support of Hamas.
      Apparently, killing Jews in the name of one murderous philosophy is OK but killing Norwegians in the name of another murderous philosophy isn’t.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 8:16 pm

        No excuse for the murderous Breivik. But the ludicrous claim that he was an Anti-Jihadist is just bs. He admired Al Qaida and said he would ally with Jihadists.

        • Rob says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 5:17 am

          I agree ‘no excuse’ but violence (Breivik) and incitement to violence (Hamas) are not so far apart.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 8:13 pm

      Nan Barr wrote:

      Also, I read he was bullied by other Muslim kids and they were ARABS or TURKS… SUNNIS.

      WHAT if he was a Persian Christian??
      ……………………………….

      Christians in Iran make up less than .005% of the population–so why would you assume Ali Sonboly was a member of this tiny minority? And when have Christians mass-murdered Muslims in terror attacks?

      Moreover, his name is Ali–an orthodox Shia name. More than anything else, he was screaming “Allah Akbar” as he murdered his victims–since when have Christians *ever* done such a thing?

      This is just calumny.

      More:

      I just wonder if he was sexually assaulted as a younger boy by older Sunni Muslim boys since according to Sunnis , he was an apostate.

      LOTS of anger in this young man. He was being treated for depression too. With meds?

      I hate to see Germany now have all this inter-sectarian Muslim violence. BUT they invited all these folks.
      ……………………………….

      This may well be an example of Sunni/Shi’ite savagery–although there were Infidels among his victims, as well.

      But the idea that this was a Christian killing Muslims is just an ugly, baseless smear.

      • Nan Barr says

        Jul 24, 2016 at 2:44 am

        Well the only reason I mentioned Christian is because I know several Iranian Christians and Jews who fled Iran at various times. The Jews as soon as Khomeni took over.

        And the Christians as soon as they could in the 1990s.MANY Still want OUT!

        Here is the thing about names: ALI’s middle name was DAVID and his brother’s is Joseph, I think.

        WHAT if he is of a mixed family. His mother may have been a Christian but the Dad a muslim.

        Then he would be a muslim of course. But really why DAVID???

        I think he was mobbed as the Germans say meaning bullied HORRIBLY and I know as a teacher , IT can KILL a child’s self esteem and cause severe mental problems. He was in treatment and it was so bad he was given drugs for depression.

        We had a student kill herself not long ago and I can tell you when she came to our school from another in the system last year she was a REAL MESS. A cutter and out of touch with reality. She had that look I saw in that AL’s face as he sits on a sofa in a white shirt and tie. IT chilled me to see that look again. I cannot explain it!

        I often wonder if people who bully others work for the devil. I mean it. They are savages. The mean look in their eyes is downright EVIL .

        Sorry to go on so long. But something BAD happened to that boy. BAD! BAD!

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 4:06 am

          Yusuf, Moussa, Dawood, Ibrahim…

          All common Muslim names, yet originally biblical: Joseph, Moses, David, Avraham…

          People are making far too big a deal out his first name(s). I would bet money that his parents raised him religiously indifferent or atheist, as many Iranian exiles do.

          Sorry to hear about your sad experience with a victimized student in your school. There has always been bullying among school children and it can be extremely hurtful, but the invention of “social” media has acted like a fire accelerant.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 6:14 pm

      Nan, since when have Persian Christians ever perpetrated terrorist attacks–especially while screaming “Allahu Akbar!”?

  4. mortimer says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    Since when did Breivik shout ‘ALLAHU AKBAR!’ before shooting (or after)?

    Journalists and their editors should be reprimanded for failing to research the Islamic news they are reporting.

    Without knowing the Islamic source texts as well as the jihadist literature, there just NO WAY Western journalists are in any way qualified to understand and report Islamic jihad.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 8:40 pm

      Yes, Mortimer–this is absurd. The MSM is desperate to paint this as anything *but* Jihad.

      • Rufolino says

        Jul 24, 2016 at 2:38 am

        Robert, thanks for pointing out that if the Munich killer had info on Brevik, this does not automatically mean that he shared Brevik’s political views. I agree with you that that this killer might well have been interested in Brevik’s performance, not Brevik’ s personal motivation. That he apparently shouted Allahu Akbar demonstrates what his own motivation was.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 24, 2016 at 6:19 pm

        Yes–I have a lot of information about Jihad, which certainly does not make me a Jihadist.

  5. WorkingClassPost says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    I’m surprised they haven’t come up with the ‘it can’t be jihad, because he started in MacDonald’s which sells pork’ line, yet.

    Or even that he was ‘provoked’ by Brevik.

    Maybe they’re waiting for something really incriminating to come out before they produce the big lies.

    • Keys says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 6:31 pm

      WCP, I had been thinking the same thing about McDonald’s selling pork. I wonder if this German McDs accommodated the Muslms by not selling pork. I seem to remember that McD in the USA has decided for now not to take pork off their menu even though they were asked to do so. Yes, here:
      http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/pizza-hut-mcdonalds-and-kfc-reject-halal-meat-muslims-are-furious/

  6. Angemon says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    Dr Peter Langman, the author of Why Kids Kill, the book which was found among Ali Sonboly’s possessions

    Clearly, Peter Langman is a dangerous right-wing rhetorician whose works warp and twist the pure, innocent minds of kids, turning them into murderers. I’m being facetious, of course, but I imagine that if Ali owned a book by Robert Spencer, or Mark Steyn, or Bat Ye’or, etc., that would be how the news would be presented: “the shooter had books by conservative pundits, therefore conservative pundits and their ideology drive kids to murder. Free speech is not hate speech.”

  7. berserker says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    1. “Andrae doesn’t explain why Sonboly’s link to Breivik is “obvious.” He simply asserts it”
    – But in the case of the axe murderer, they were (are?) trying to dismiss any connection to Islam.

    2. By the way, why did the killer shoot himself? Won’t committing suicide deny him a place in Islamic heaven?

  8. Pal says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    Germans should reopen gas chambers.
    Jews will only help them.
    Oh, where is Charles Martel, Herman the German spirit…

    • nicu says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 6:49 pm

      When Jews get attacked in Europe / Germany it is always by Muslims , but the Press blames ” nazis “

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 8:43 pm

      “Pal” wrote:

      Germans should reopen gas chambers.
      Jews will only help them.
      ………………..

      The idea that civilized Jews and modern Germans are about to commit genocide against Muslims is just more smearing of good people concerned about Jihad savagery. *Ugh*.

    • Hwilsongoon says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 9:33 pm

      Disgusting comment Pal

    • TheBuffster says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 3:00 am

      Pal, genocide of Muslims is just as wrong as genocide of any other group. There are moral, rational measures we can take to protect ourselves, and there are immoral, irrational ones. Knee-jerk, broad brush solutions that include mass murder are just plain evil and would reduce us to our enemies’ level of barbarism.

      However, I note that by inviting in huge numbers of migrants from cultures in conflict with our own, the leadership in the West has set up a situation where more people may start to feel the way Pal does. As more jihad attacks occur by people named “Mohammad” and “Ali” and “Abdullah”, we might eventually see some anti-Muslim killers arise who will add to the mayhem.

      Given human nature, I’m surprised we haven’t seen this already, and I truly hope it doesn’t happen. Aside from the horrible injustice done to Muslim victims and the gang warfare that could result, it would only lead to a greater push to create strict “anti hate speech” laws that would outlaw even websites like this one. Those of us who rightfully criticize Islamic doctrine may find ourselves being prosecuted.

      So if there are any half-brained jerks reading this who are feeling like going vigilante against Muslims, please find the other half of your brain and patch yourself up. We need thinking people to save our civilization, not emotionalist basket cases plunging us into greater catastrophe.

      • Sam Hawkins says

        Jul 24, 2016 at 4:08 am

        Amen.

        • Mark Swan says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 7:11 am

          You Bet–good comment

    • Mirren10 says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 6:28 pm

      Pal says:

      ”Germans should reopen gas chambers.”

      What a disgusting, revolting, and **evil** comment. You’re a vile pos.

      I loathe islam, and don’t trust *any* muslim, but the idea that we should try to exterminate them, the way the Nazis attempted with the Jews, is beyond evil.

      ” Jews will only help them.” ??? What is *that* supposed to mean ? You’ve obviously strayed over here from Stormfront. Piss off back there, scumbag.

      • linnte says

        Jul 24, 2016 at 6:36 pm

        Thank you for slamming this “but hem in the ovens” guy. The eradication of Islam must not include extermination of human beings. Hopefully the West will corner all these Muslims and send them back to their “safe spaces” where they can practice their ideology without the interference of Western culture.

        It’s if they don’t go peacefully, then we will have civil war. 🙁

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 6:49 pm

          ”Hopefully the West will corner all these Muslims and send them back to their “safe spaces” where they can practice their ideology without the interference of Western culture.”

          Yes, linnte.

          I have *long* thought the only solution to the islam problem is to **contain** them. And put a cast iron ring fence around every single muslim country. Refuse to trade with them, refuse to have any diplomatic ties with them, and refuse to allow any of them into the West.

          If we’re not prepared to wipe them out, and I am *not*, it’s the only way.

        • linnte says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 9:37 pm

          Agreed! And especially about the not TRADING with them. Let them depend on Allah for their needs, and see how long it takes to see Allah has abandoned them. I hope this happens soon because non Muslims are dying and being injured!

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 7:23 pm

          Absolutely, Mirren and Linnte–we were safest from Islam when it was most nearly contained. This is what we should be aiming for–isolating this foul creed and its dangerous practitioners, rather than importing more Mohammedans.

  9. Infidel lives matter says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    The last part of what the woman said has been cut away from the video above. Here is the entire thing, also the Allahu Akbar part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okspzGeCoYY

  10. Jay Boo says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    NPR’s — “Someone said journalism”

    NPR has “heard” that he recently converted to Christianity.
    — followed by a few seconds of well planned — dead air time.

    • Mark Swan says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 7:08 am

      Yep, good Ol NPR

  11. Pal says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    The “new Breivik” already appears in State of islam’s video:
    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2016/07/teenage-terrorist-who-attacked-german-train-appears-in-islamic-state-video.php

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 7:31 pm

      The Islamic State was celebrating until they realized some of the victims were Sunni Muslims. *Ugh*. Now they want to pretend it was not Jihad at all.

  12. Paul says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    ‘Journalists’ really are twisting themselves like pretzels in a spectacular
    show of mental gymnastics in order to evade the painfully obvious truth.
    They’re tenacious and consistent, I’ll give them that. They live to fight
    another day – at least until the next “lone wolf (or wolves)” with “psychological
    problems” strike again. We shall see.

    • nicu says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 7:01 pm

      No they pretend to feel sorry and are shocked , wondering how that could happen .

      Candles are lightened up – Til the next time !

      • Paul says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 7:24 pm

        Sites like this are the real media. It amazes me that people
        still buy newspapers or watch the news, it really does.
        The MSM is, of course, a reliable source for the date, sports results
        and, occasionally, the correct weather forecast. Beyond that, I don’t
        trust them one bit.

        • Carmel says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 9:53 pm

          Now , I buy them for the crosswords and other games while I drink my Kaffir breverage : coffee.

  13. nicu says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    Typical Muslim devoted , lefty Press !

    can anyone tell me where I can go – germanistan is no fun anymore

    • Paul says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 7:44 pm

      If I was you, I’d go to Eastern Europe. They seem to cling to their
      Christian roots more there and take much more pride in their culture.
      Countries formerly in the grip of Communism won’t fall for Cultural
      Marxist BS anymore. No chance.
      I hate to be alarmist, but Germany is screwed. Get the HELL out!!! :

      • linnte says

        Jul 24, 2016 at 1:40 am

        Germany is indeed screwed. Europe is screwed, Britain is screwed, Canada is screwed and the USA is stuck between South America and Canada, both ripe with Muslims. Alaska is starting to look pretty good.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 8:50 pm

      Nicu, please fight for your civilized culture! Do not despair.

    • linnte says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 1:31 am

      I have a spare bedroom in the attic and NICU nurses get paid very well here in Oregon ?

    • common sense says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 9:37 pm

      USA, immigration seems pretty easy at this point. We got a lot of great people still and we say what we want even if the press are untruthful manipulators. Gun owners hold upwards of 350 million “modern” fire arms since 1987 which is a conservative figure all puns intended. If we did not have the 2nd amendment there would be no alternatives left. If its ok I’d like to invite you, come on over I got a friend from Hamburg who lives and works here, he has not gone back to Germany yet except for visits.

  14. JMB says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    This reminds me of the lies and other excuses put forward by the media and politicians to justify the Vietnam war back in the 1960, except it is now all about protecting Islam.

    The comparison with Breivik is ridiculous and invalid. Breivik in his evil perverted way was against Islam. The Munich shooter was Islamic even though the headlines still scream “German goes on shooting spree…”

    Here in Australia there is a call to ban Islamic Immigration (hear hear), what is the response from our deputy prime minister? “Not necessary, ALL religions have their share of ratbags”. These Islamists are not ratbags, they are murderers and terrorists, AND when did the Presbyterian or Methodist or C of E ever commit mass murder. Like all of our politicians or PM and deputy seem to be totally out of touch and just want to protect Islam and Multiculturalism at any cost.

  15. Tom camsys says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    I’ve been commenting on a German media forum for years , the name of the media organization is D W (Deutsche Welle). I dared to suggest that the religion of peace should be defined as a dangerous cult, and that any illegal immigrant should be immediately sent back to their countries of origin.

    I was rewarded with total banishment from the dw forum. My entire body of comments from all discussions were purged,

    This clearly demonstrates utter censorship of anyone critical of Islam, and total denial of any link to said religion.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 7:33 pm

      Sorry to hear this–but sadly, it does not surprise. Many do anything to avoid having to acknowledge the threat of Islam.

  16. peter says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    The only way this madness of suicidal political correctness and constant lying to change is to hang a lot of these political leaders and left wing media personnel in a public square. .I am sorry I do not see any way out of it !

  17. gravenimage says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    Mainstream media covers up Munich killer’s jihad, tries to link him to Breivik
    ……………………………

    Yes–I saw this vicious, meretricious bullsh*t in the Telegraph and on Salon.

    Ali Sonboly was a Muslim murdering Infidels and other-sect Mohammedans, all while screaming “Allahu Akbar!”. Nothing could be more indicative of mainstream Jihad.

    • Mazo says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 8:44 pm

      Most diaspora Iranians are secular, moron.

      Many secular Iranian Shi’i in Germany convert to Christianity in order to not get deported.

      A lot of diaspora Iranians are ethnic nationalists and some may have beef against diaspora Turks who are also heavily ethnic nationalist.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 9:03 pm

        The vile Mazo wrote:

        Most diaspora Iranians are secular, moron.
        ………………………

        I’ve known plenty of Iranians in the West who are *anything* but secular. In fact, I’ve had my artwork censored by them on Islamic grounds.

        More:

        Many secular Iranian Shi’i in Germany convert to Christianity in order to not get deported.
        ………………………

        The idea that Germany is deporting large numbers of Muslims and that they are desperately converting to Christianity to avoid this is *ludicrous*. In fact, Muslims are as I write are continuing to flood into Germany.

        More:

        A lot of diaspora Iranians are ethnic nationalists and some may have beef against diaspora Turks who are also heavily ethnic nationalist.
        ………………………

        The idea that this is all secular and just “nationalist” is absurd. Sunnis and Shia are slaughtering each other all over the world, and do so because they do not regard each other as orthodox Muslims, and are hence fair game to slaughter–just like us Infidels.

        “At least 40 killed as Islamic State suicide bombers attack Shiite shrine in Iraq”

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/dozens-killed-as-suicide-bombers-dressed-in-military-uniform-attack-iraq-shrine/2016/07/08/ac0d77ba-44dd-11e6-88d0-6adee48be8bc_story.html

        “Iraq: Shia militias ‘killing Sunnis in reprisal attacks'”

        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29603272

        There are thousands more stories, from all over the world.

        The murderous hatred between Sunni and Shia goes back almost 1400 years, as Mazo well knows.

        • Hwilsongoon says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 9:36 pm

          Graven.

          Not sure why you took time to rip apart my comments from the other thread and claim certain things from just reading a few comments by me.

          either way i like your comments. just chill out in future please.

          if someone has a slight alternative opinion then dont assume they are against the anti jihad movement. The media are doing a number on all of us and its hard to cypher through the crap to get to the real truth.

          If you disagree with anyones posts state your reason, dont smear their name.

          anyway, your comments are better on this post and i agree with all of them.

          sorry i just called you a troll on the other post, you’re obviously not lol

        • Angemon says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 9:53 pm

          Hwilsongoon posted:

          “if someone has a slight alternative opinion then dont assume they are against the anti jihad movement. ”

          Hilarious coming from someone who accused GI of not being “one of us”, called her a “troll” and “retarded”, and implied she was paid by the far left.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 12:30 am

          Well, “lol” clearly makes everything all better. Glad you no longer consider me a troll paid by the far left…

      • Angemon says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 9:23 pm

        Mazo posted:

        “Most diaspora Iranians are secular”

        This is a pathetically desperate low level of sand throwing, even by the standards Mazo got us used to. Does this dumbass really not know that secularism = separation of religion and state? Secularism is NOT atheism – being secular does NOT means one can not be a muslim – albeit an heretic one.

        • Mark Swan says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 6:56 am

          The only time Mazo comments here, is to fuzz up the readers—no other noticeable reason.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 7:51 pm

          Yes–Mazo’s only reason for posting here is his trying to catch someone in an error, no matter how minor.

          He usually fails in this, of course, but hopes merely casting aspersions on Anti-Jihadists will–somehow–discredit anyone who objects to Muslims subjugating and mass-murdering us.

      • Carmel says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 9:58 pm

        I never knew Reza Aslan was secular ……..

  18. Joe says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    This whole story so far stinks. We don’t even know if the presented guy is really an attacker/killer. He is dead, so nobody can ask him. How convenient.

    I recognized that between yesterday and today there lies a big gap:

    Yesterday:
    Massive police
    Press told about 3 gunmen
    Gunmen with rifles
    Witness who heard allah akhbar
    Lockdown on big part of the city
    Just looking at the video with gunmen at McD he looks older than 18

    Today:
    No police anymore, all fine
    Press tells about 1 gunmen who killed himself (how do they know that quick?)
    Gunman with Glock pistol
    No mentioning about witness and shouting allah akhbar anymore
    City completely off lockdown.
    Gunmen is presented as 18 yo with Iranian roots and German passport, but no details how long he lived in Germany, etc.
    Makeup of assumptions with Breivik and other things out of thin air.

    I think this will end like a lot of those Islam attack stories. The press tells lies so the public will buy them. After a while of some days or weeks the truth comes out, but no newspaper will report it anymore. Forgotten case and what stays in the head of the people is it was a right wing attack.

    I’m wondering how many attacks are really jihad attacks when they were presented as something else. I wouldn’t be surprised if that would be close to 50%.

    Just closing with keep up the great work Mr. Spencer! I was also on the Daniel Pipes site sometimes, but he seems to become a liberal now just ignoring some facts. Dreaming of Islam terrorism would go away all of a sudden. Poof – gone. I don’t think so! It’s getting worse and after 1400 years of Islam we cannot expect it will vanish while every country is under attack now.

    • Keys says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 9:14 pm

      Good post, Joe. I have the same sentiments.

      “I think this will end like a lot of those Islam attack stories….Forgotten case and what stays in the head of the people is it was a right wing attack. I’m wondering how many attacks are really jihad attacks when they were presented as something else.”

      • Joe says

        Jul 24, 2016 at 1:03 am

        Thanks a lot Keys! We’re obviously on the same page. Unfortunately too many people will get fooled.

        • Mark Swan says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 7:04 am

          Good points, both, Joe and Keys.

  19. Baucent says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    What I noticed was the speed in which the German Police said the killer was “clearly inspired by Breivik” when they took days to admit the train jihadi was inspired by ISIS. Little bit of a double standard in rushing to conclusions. They are desperate to find any far right link.

  20. Brainwashed Society says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    German MEdia call him mostly only David S.

    David is a 100% German Name today.Also i read many pots on youtube from muslims who belive this sh…and wrote:He is a german….

    No-hes not a german.He sayed:IM a german I was born here…Thats is a sentence that NO german will say-only foreigners say this.But polticians want to brainwash the people.

    ps:Also I read that an “Expert” say HE MUST BE INSPIRED BY BREIVIK-HE MUST_that means that they have NOTHING.Onyl this so called Expert think it…

  21. R Cole says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    I was thinking – of the insanity reason used – that either they – the terrorists are all mad or we are all mad!! But it can’t be both!!

    ::

    You ain’t racist!

    The socialist leveling is a good point – because at the moment we are making an almost lighthearted connection between Islam and socialism – the French have even noticed it – they have called it islamo-socialisme [used to describe the relationship between the Belgium Left and the development of the ungoverned Muslim ghettos – after the Paris terrorist attacks]. But the Left – whose whole agenda is at odds with the rich – political movements are funded by the likes of Soros.

    Calling people racists and other shaming is like the bark of the sheep dog in this grand herding effort.

    It’s one big plantation folks!!

    ::

    The Left as Little Pawns

    We knew the Left were out of their depths with Islam – reading this article shows just how out of their depths they are.

    Soros sells a lemon [must read]
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-20/george-soros-doubles-down-accept-300k-refugees-costing-30bn-or-risk-eu-collapse

    ::

    Anders Breivik – Al Qaeda Connection

    Interesting – the Anders Breivik as inspiration theory – because Breivik testified in court that he took inspiration for his violent attack from Al Qaeda. He scoffed at the fact that no one involved in criticizing Islam was interested in promoting violence – and that is why turned to Al Qaeda as the best example.

    ::

    Careless Intentions

    Look at Obama trying to get Hillary elected. The FBI director assessment of Hillary emails was almost verbatim what Obama said in an interview – perhaps he plagiarized Obama!

    ::

    Scared… then Radicalized… then Populism

    There is little that alienates and scares publics more than scenes of chaos…

    George Soros

    • Hwilsongoon says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 9:37 pm

      The scary shit is soros has many kids who are now adults who now run his enterprise. We are sooo screwed

  22. mortimer says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    Was ‘revenge killing’ for Breivik the motive of Ali Sonboly or was the revenge for his having been bullied the motive? That an 18-year-old living in Germany would think about Breivik is reach.

    It shows how self-deluded many journalists and Western elites actually are.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 12:43 am

      Yes–the idea that young people are regularly inspired by Anders Brievik is just bizarre. Most people of all ages consider him a vicious loser.

  23. Nervous Gentleman says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    According to Walid Shoebat, the perpetrator was likely not of Iranian descent but Syrian via Turkey:

    http://shoebat.com/2016/07/23/the-munich-massacre-is-a-complete-coverup-the-munich-shooters-facebook-including-his-family-background-shows-he-is-not-iranian-but-a-syrian-islamist-pro-turkey/

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 12:45 am

      Yes–I’ve seen that. Interesting…

  24. Kay says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 2:03 am

    I listened to the CNN news link posted here. The reporter says the witness “Loretta” described the shooter as “heavy set”. The picture of ADS doesn’t look like a heavy set person to me.
    Are they really sure there was only one shooter?

    • Frank Courtney says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 3:49 am

      Early reports said the shooter was using a shotgun, later the gun was described specifically as a Glock 17. Unless the kid was carrying both there’s a discrepancy there too and an indication there were two shooters. It’s hard to mistake a Glock 17 for a shotgun.

    • Angemon says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 8:00 am

      My first guess would be that the pic is several years old.

  25. andra says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 2:34 am

    The whole story is very strange. But also is the so-called withness Lauretta. Most Muslims in Germany have Arabian or Turkish names. Lauretta is neither the one nor the other. But Lauretta is no German name neither, which would be the third possibility. So I wonder who this woman could be. Is she a British or American convert living in Germany?
    The second strange Thing in this act is the connection to Breivik. The guy is supposed to have been mobbed at school. If I looked for heroes.in this situaltion I would look to Columbine or Erfurt, not to murder that took place when I was twelve. and that has no connection to school mobbing.
    My first thought when I heard about the shooting was Olympia 1972, which took place nearby this mall.

    • TheBuffster says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 3:21 am

      Yes, as I understand it, the mall is on the site where one of the Olympic stadiums was, or something like that. The Munich Olympics where Palestinian terrorists Murdered Israeli athletes.

      I don’t rule out the idea that this young man *was* a very messed up, angry, confused young man who may or may not have been a Muslim, who may or may not have yelled “Allahu Akbar!”, and who was ripe for mass murder, spurred on to action by the example of so many other mass murders in Europe these days.

      I note that he killed himself. He didn’t blow himself up, taking kafirs with him. He didn’t die in jihad. He got away from the murder site and then shot himself.

      There’s a story in the ahadith of a Muslim who fought valiantly in jihad and got horribly wounded. Rather than dying a slow and agonizing death, he took his own life, and Mohammad said he’d burn in hell for it. If the McDonald’s killer was a Muslim, he wasn’t a very knowledgeable one.

      As someone else said, above, there are plenty of bona fide jihad cases. If this one turns out to be something else, it doesn’t make the other cases any less real.

      I prefer to let time pass until I can gather solid evidence before I draw my conclusions.

  26. sparker says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 3:11 am

    I wouldn’t worry. They can obfuscate as much as they like but the ever increasing number of Jihadist attacks will ensure that all westerners will get a personal taste of Islamism and no amount of cover up can can overcome that.

  27. EulittleB says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 3:23 am

    Hi I posted last night a conflicting account of the “Islamist link” borne out with video evidence from the links – that of the rooftop conversation with a German resident who had been drinking beer, and who was shot at. – no mention whatsoever was made to religion, yet Nationality and bullying were mentioned. Rather than lead anyone in their views I suggested using Google with the terms “Rooftop Munich gunman” and reading and hearing what the gunman said and what he was called – this comment was awaiting moderation but is now nowhere to be seen, is there a problem?

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 7:59 pm

      You can contact Jihad Watch through the “Contact Us” box located on the right-side or bottom of the screen (depending on your computer configuration) if you have questions.

  28. Frank Courtney says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 4:04 am

    One issue not mentioned yet is how this kid got hold of a Glock 17 and 300 rounds of ammo (as reported). Easy enough in the USA, but in Germany? No chance, unless he had illegal back up suppliers.
    So as later admitted about the Nice driver, this kid probably had jihadist enablers. Alternatively, perhaps the German police should have quickly raided and searched the mosque he attended. Oops, I forgot … that would have been “Islamophobic”.

    • Ian Grace says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 5:01 am

      Good point regarding the gun, what points to this atrocity having nothing to do with Islam is the rooftop conversation the gunman had with a German having a beer in his apartment, video footage is available as well as transcripts – just google! Rooftop Munich Gunman

  29. Klaas says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 7:06 am

    Dear Robert,

    Those first two paragraphs are really out of place here. Nothing to do with Trump or Brexit. This is just a case of different media, politicians and websites having different favorite stories (“Jihadi”, “Crazy Kid” and “Right wing fanatic”), cherrypicking the available information for points supporting their story, and omitting inconvenient reports. And, unfortunately, you are no better than they are.

    Yes, it is wrong to neglect mentioning the CNN interview with “Lauretta”, but is just as wrong to write
    “Oh, and the Munich jihadi did indeed scream “Allahu Akbar”” as if this is a fact. It is just a single eyewitness account (only CNN mentions a source, the other reports are merely suggestive and might originate from the same source). So this is a fact, but the story about his Breivik WhatsApp profile picture is just hearsay? Be honest to yourself. If Lauretta had claimed that instead of Allah Akbar he said “you ***** foreigners”, would you also treat that as a fact?

    And indeed, there is such an eyewitness account. Not the people shouting from the balcony, which essentially all media now have understood as being shouted at him, not shouted by him. But look at this
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/munich-mall-shooting-survivor-recounts-horror-i-thought-im-next/
    “Bayri said he heard the German-Iranian shooter yelling, “I’m German, you ******* foreigners.””

    So now we have two eyewitness accounts. Which one is correct? Can both be correct?

    In the rooftop video he seems to be explaining his motives. He mentions being bullied. He talks about growing up in a social security (Hartz IV) area and about psychiatric treatment. It sounds like an attempt to provide excuses. Would a true jihadi not have used this opportunity to scream some islamic propaganda?

    And why did he kill himself with 300 unfired bullets in his backpack? Perhaps suicide with a bomb vest killing infidels is legitimate martyrdom, but suicide without fighting yourself to death almost certainly is not. Mohammed would not have been amused if his warriors started killing themselves instead of the enemy.

    • Hwilsongoon says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 12:16 pm

      It does look like that but its also more likely a sectarian revenge killing. Iranian etc vs turks etc

  30. isabella van der westhuizen says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 7:25 am

    Thos right wing back jobs are quite a problem all round
    paris, Nice, Orlando kabul the list is endless

  31. TH says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 8:07 am

    I read in a Spanish newspaper that he was mad at his Turkish schoolmates. If that is the case, it could have a lot ot do with the hatred between Sunnis and Shiites, so that this brings another problem provoked by allowing Muslims into Europe. They carry on their feud there which goes back to the beginning of Islam. Another thing which should be obvious to anyone who has any knowledge of Islam and that is the fact that they tend to solve their problems by violence, be that in the family or anywhere else. What did Muhammad do?

    • Angemon says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 9:36 am

      TH posted:

      “I read in a Spanish newspaper that he was mad at his Turkish schoolmates. If that is the case, it could have a lot ot do with the hatred between Sunnis and Shiites, so that this brings another problem provoked by allowing Muslims into Europe. They carry on their feud there which goes back to the beginning of Islam. ”

      Indeed:

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/sunnishia-conflict-arrives-in-sweden

  32. NOTHING FOUND says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 9:24 am

    Today a newspaper wrote the found nothing from Breivik on his PC.

    So again a try to Brainwash people…

  33. Steve says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 10:13 am

    the Neo Nazi Muslim, a fairy tale creation brought to you from the same people who said ISIS has nothing to do with Islam.

    Forgive me if I am skeptiocal, but up until now Neo nazi Muslims have been rarer than bigfoot , yetis, and maybe even unicorns. In light of that, I think I am going to need a little more proof than he and Breivek liked killing people.

    • Hwilsongoon says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 11:34 am

      Actually. Google the muslim Turkish Grey Wolves

      This is a far right terror organisation. They are the largest far right group in Germany today.

  34. The Vilest of Creatures says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 11:23 am

    Jeeeeez, how can anybody ever believe what they read in one of those European newspapers? I don’t think I’d use any of them to see what the weather is going to be for the day.

  35. Hwilsongoon says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 11:32 am

    Germany’s answer to this latest sectarian jihad attack is for tighter firearms laws. Whilst ignoring their open borders refugee problems and the jihadist purchased his firearm illegally.

  36. Richard Paulsen says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 11:59 am

    What inspired the perpetrators murdering 80 persons in Kabul? Breivik? Hardly.

  37. Kay says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    I just read the MSM coverage of this. By stating as fact a connection to Breivik, they change the whole focus. Then go on to state we’re all quick to jump to statements about terrorism but when it comes to other situations (implying another side, Christian? Right wing?) we all are protective and talk about troubled loners.
    People who are trying to understand and rely on msm for news don’t stand a chance.

  38. Dum Spiro says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 2:09 pm

    Oh, look — a Syrian refugee involved in yet another attack in Germany today:
    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/24/one-dead-two-injured-in-machete-attack-in-germany-6026100/

    Clearly just another example of that ongoing global outbreak of mental illness…
    — Spero

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 8:05 pm

      This does not surprise. Horribly, there will likely be many, many more of these savage attacks.

  39. Richard Paulsen says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    He is probably behind every terrorcrime before Utöya 2011 too. According to most media.

  40. Norwegian says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 4:05 pm

    Today the stupid newspapers of Norway had to admit that the Breivik-crap was a dead end. And just like I predicted they have discredited themselfes AGAIN…they never learn. And that is because their entire worldview is based on lies. And they protect it with lies…get caught, and lie more….lies lies lies…

    But again. A good thing! Because everytime they piss their bed readers and viewers go somewhere else…

    And now there is another attack in Germany. Pregnant woman hacked to death….

    Bombs, shootings, stabbings, trucks, rapes…

  41. Jack Holan says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    Robert most reporters today don’t even report. They lie by omission or not asking hard hitting questions and follow up questions from Government Officials and half of thei articles should qualify for the opinion page not a reporters objective article of Who What Where When and How.

  42. common sense says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    Also needless to say, the BBC doesn’t see fit to inform its readers about how Sonboly screamed “Allahu akbar.” You don’t need to know that. It doesn’t fit what the political and media elites want you to believe; therefore it didn’t happen. Go back to sleep. When the knife slices through your throat, your death will be quick and almost painless, I promise.

    Robert thanks for your enduring exposure of the truth. These words speak our thoughts and explains the reality of censorship and willing ignorance with pin point accuracy. The 13 girl in Isreal who was killed in her sleep enters my mind while no one around even thinks another way about it.

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