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Munich jihad murderer was 18-year-old Iranian Muslim

Jul 22, 2016 9:32 pm By Robert Spencer

“The motive or explanation for this crime is completely unclear.” No, it isn’t. And as long as you keep telling yourselves that, you’re just inviting more attacks like this one.

Munich

“Munich shooting: Gunman acted alone, say police,” BBC, July 22, 2016:

A shooting at a Munich shopping centre which left nine people dead was carried out by one gunman who then killed himself, German police have said.

The suspect was an 18-year-old German-Iranian dual national who lived in Munich, police told a news conference, but his motive is unclear.

More than 20 people were injured, three critically, police added.

A huge manhunt was launched following reports that up to three gunmen had been involved in the attack.

The body of the suspect was found about 1km (0.6 miles) from the Olympia shopping centre in the north-western suburb of Moosach.

Munich police chief Hubertus Andrae told the news conference early on Saturday that the suspect had not been known to police and there were no known links to terror groups, although investigations were continuing.

The reports of three suspected attackers came when witnesses saw two people leaving the scene in a car “at considerable speed”, but they were later confirmed not to be involved, he added.

“The motive or explanation for this crime is completely unclear,” he said….

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  1. ainu888 says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    How surprising!

    • Julie says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 9:42 pm

      I just heard it on CBS national news. Funny, I thought I heard them say German-Iranian, so my mom and I were watching the captions to be sure, but the word Iranian was cut off on the captions. Just gone. So I had to come online to see if I had heard correctly.

    • Georg says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:32 pm

      Shocking, even.

    • Westman says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 2:33 am

      I’ve read that there is suspicion that he placed a fake ad for free food at the McDonalds to get a large crowd. Not confirmed, yet. Like the Nice terrorist, there will be other people involved.

  2. stinkfoot says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    Now it will be a shooting contest between the sunni and the shia.

    • salim says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 4:01 am

      He might be a Sunni muslim, some Iranians are sunnis and some are Arabs.

  3. Michael Casmer says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    They have no idea? I can tell them. It begins with the letter M and ends with the letter M

    • AnnaK says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:40 pm

      We will give them a few more clues : Also begins and ends with an I.
      And it has a lot to do with virgins in a heavenly brothel.
      See if they can work that one out.

      • J D S says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 11:37 am

        The idiots have a surprise coming when they wake up in hell..instead of 72 virgins
        they find more than 72 of the devils angels who rape them continueually.

        They have been fed this idiotic nonsense since babies ..72 virgins???? HOW STUPID can anyone be????????

        • Annak says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 11:11 pm

          Mind-bending isn’t it ? Unbelievable what absurdities these followers of ‘ the religion of peace’ believe. 1.3 billion humans believe in this cult of superstitious nonsense ????
          It is a deeply pagan unspiritual evil that deserves no respect whatsoever, and especially considering it’s mandate to rape torture and kill for the moon god, and should not be taken seriously and certainly not by the civilised world.

    • sidney penny says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 12:57 am

      Wrong

      It begins with the letter I and ends with the letter M

      • Annak says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 3:03 am

        Yes,but I meant it begins and ends with Islam , Muslims. Whatever.
        It is all islam

      • rod sexton says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 4:30 am

        ‘Inbreeding’ ends in G

  4. Sajal says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    It is very clear who did this & why …………..but there is denial from Govt, side……….they are not telling the truth………how long they will keep the Into their pocket? …which is already open secret………..

  5. gravenimage says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    Munich jihad murderer was 18-year-old Iranian Muslim
    ……………………

    So much for the idea that this was a “right wing” attack…

    • Georg says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:11 pm

      Yea, but somebody saw boots.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 22, 2016 at 10:12 pm

        Yes–what an absurd assertion. Only “right-wingers” wear boots, apparently…

        • Georg says

          Jul 22, 2016 at 10:22 pm

          Exactly. That’s why in all the IS videos they’re in ballet slippers.

  6. Ashley says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    This shit is going down on a daily basis…

    Eventually, even the most liberal will say, “huh?”

    • Nadaislam says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 11:20 pm

      Don’t underestimated the ravages of the liberal virus on the brain.

    • phyllisdlln says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 11:26 pm

      I saw that!
      But Obama just said yesterday that the world was never safer!!!! What a turd he is.

    • Creole Gumbo says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 6:39 am

      Don’t count on it.

  7. abad says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    So he was not even from Syria.

    Surprise surprise surprise.

    Deport him back to Tehran.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:12 pm

      He finally took himself out. The only good thing in all of this Jihad horror.

      • bernie says

        Jul 22, 2016 at 10:21 pm

        Now, why don’t the Germans and French do like the Russians would, and publcily slather him with lard and bury his carcass in pigskin, to prevent him from getting 72 raisins?

        • Vlad says

          Jul 22, 2016 at 11:02 pm

          I love lard, lets not waste this delicious bread spread on this shitty mooslime. A 6 foot pit, dump this slimy mooslime, cover generously with pigs dung, cover with earth.
          Put the entire burial ceremony on youtube, fakebook, slitter, etc.
          Any jihadi will get the same and start deporting either to their country of origin or to allah, shit be upon him.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 12:04 am

          I have never heard the claim that Russia does this with Jihadists.

        • Hwilsongoon says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 6:51 am

          Its not true about the russians. They have a massive muslim population and are loyal allies with iran and Chechens.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 4:12 pm

          This is true. Russia is enabling a nuclear Iran and has allowed Chechnya to become a Shari’ah state. I’m afraid the Russians–like the West–is inconsistent at best in fighting Jihad.

    • Rev g says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:18 pm

      In a body bag? He is dead.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 1:21 am

      Deport his entire family to Tehran and cremate him and throw his remains intop the sea. But that might create a pollution isue.

  8. DifferentOpinion says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    It does not make any sense Iranians are Shia, they don’t have global ambitions and they are at war with ISIS and the Sunnis.

    • Robert Spencer says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 9:08 am

      They most certainly do have global ambitions. Read my book “The Complete Infidel’s Guide to Iran” and you will see how indefatigably they are pursuing those global ambitions.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 24, 2016 at 4:15 pm

        Exactly, Mr. Spencer.

        And many seem to believe that the Shia do not practice violent Jihad, but just a glance at Hizb’allah proves this mistaken.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 7:46 pm

          gravenimage posted:

          “And many seem to believe that the Shia do not practice violent Jihad, but just a glance at Hizb’allah proves this mistaken.”

          Indeed. Historically, the shias, being a minority sect inside islam, have always had a boot in their necks until up to very recently – it’s no wonder it was them who crystallized the concept and practice of “taqiya”, or hiding one’s faith (this is, of course, not to say that sunnis aren’t allowed to hide their faith or lie to advance islam). Their teachings, however, are not any different when it comes, for example, to 9:29 – fight the people of the book until they convert, accept to live as shimmies or die.

  9. Billy S says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    I understand that he was probably Muslim, but there’s nothing in the article to justify the headline.

    • Ann says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:09 pm

      The Muslim woman at McDonald’s, Lauretta, said he shouted Allahu Akbar when he went into action. Her son saw him load his gun in the restroom. She saw him deliberately target children while they were eating. The headline is justified.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:10 pm

      Yeah, Muslims murder Infidels all the time while screaming “Allahu Akbar”, and it has nothing to do with Jihad…how dare we suggest it does? sarc/off

    • Georg says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:19 pm

      @ Billy S

      And why do you suppose “he was probably Muslim”?

    • billybob says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 11:10 pm

      I’m siding with Billy S… “The motive or explanation for this crime is completely unclear.” No, it isn’t says Robert, but it must be so obvious to him perhaps it didn’t occur to him their may be a few with thicker skulls that don’t get it. Specifically, I don’t get it.

      If we assume his loyalties are aligned with the Shiite cause, then I don’t think he is doing this for ISIS, and in fact, neither for Al Qaeda or any other group. As far as I know, Hamas and Hezbollah are more allied with Iranians, and these groups are too busy plotting the demise of Israel to be promoting attacks on Germany.

      Of course as other observe, simply following Muhammad and Islam is enough to push one over the edge, but I find that explanation somehow unsatisfying.

      Robert?

      • Georg says

        Jul 22, 2016 at 11:14 pm

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Haron_Monis

        • billybob says

          Jul 22, 2016 at 11:25 pm

          “At the time of his death he had recently converted from Shia Islam to Sunni Islam,”

          So it may be with this Munich monster, but as yet, we know nothing about this so his motives are far from obvious.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 12:06 am

        Yes, billybob–we all know that Hamas and Hizb’allah would *never* commit violent Jihad. sarc/off

      • TH says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 1:35 am

        It Islam, stupid. Here is a possible explanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ePVxRLDM0

        • billybob says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 6:48 am

          Thanks for the link. I love David Wood. He is so totally committed to making a difference for the better in this world, and he goes about it with such enthusiasm, even gusto. So indeed, this jihadi under discussion may have been one of those bad Muslims looking for salvation. Hopefully we will have more information by and by.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 4:19 pm

          David Wood also does it all with a wry sense of humor and genuine compassion. He is a hero of the Anti-Jihad.

  10. common sense says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    “Munich police chief Hubertus Andrae told the news conference early on Saturday that the suspect had not been known to police and there were no known links to terror groups,”

    Yes he is linked, he is Muslim which means he reads the Koran and was probably raised on its foul stench of hate and decided to follow the murderous directives of Moo ham mad may pigs puke on him. The motive is always clear.

    • Drew says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 11:45 pm

      Shiite or Sunni, Iranian or Syrian, they all follow the same terror manual, the koran that commands them to kill non-Muslims including women and children as blood sacrifice to enter the bordello heaven of their god.

      • common sense says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 12:06 am

        Drew,
        So very true and again we are all witness to it and sadness soaks into us.

  11. Peter says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    CNN is already framing the “has nothing to do with Islam” false narrative: jihadist was (1) mentally ill, (2) lived in a “poor” neighborhood, and (3) is Shi’a and has no link to ISIS (as if ISIS is the only jihadist enterprise).

    • Georg says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:44 pm

      They’re so dopey. If he isn’t linked to IS and can’t restrain himself from killing non-Muslims it speaks worse for Islam than if jihad was limited to a single faction within the religion.

      But maybe they’re just trying to further express to us their disdain for logic, in which case pointing this out is a great success.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 3:41 am

      If poverty caused terrorism, then why aren’t the culprits Bolivian, Zimbabwean or Haitians. Its Islam pure and simple, and this has been ongoing for 1,400 years. Mohammed himself said “I am made victorious through terror”.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 24, 2016 at 4:22 pm

        So true.

    • Champ says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 3:45 am

      It’s so hard listening to the MSM anymore once you hear the Truth about islam & company–thank you Robert for bringing us the Truth it’s such a refreshing change!

  12. Dave says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    Once again, the Germans and the mainstream media do everything they can to protect Islam. Rather than fight the threat of Islamic terror, the West does the complete opposite. Its’ first instinct is to defend Islam. In this terror attack, they ignore the fact that a Muslim said that he shouted “Allahu Akbar.” Now the mainstream media and the West push the Neo-Nazi angle saying that he spoke fluent, unaccented German and said “f—- foreigners.” This is their reaction, even though ISIS supporters online praised this attack which was clearly committed by a Muslim.

  13. R Cole says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    Curious was the Munich shooter attacking Sunni Muslims – as well?

    The shooter is reported to have made anti-Turkish remarks. If this was him at all
    See video:
    https://www.rt.com/news/352818-nationalist-terrorist-munich-motives/

    Islamic State couldn’t exactly take credit for this one. They would have trained the gun on him.

    Unless he changed his allegiance.

    ::

    Kumbaya

    In this kumbaya multicultural cauldron – the Sunni or Middle Eastern migrants might look to kill you – if you are Shia.

    We want to believe everyone is coming to the west for freedom and that is simply not the case. They may flee those regions because they don’t want to die – but this doesn’t mean that they reject its ideology.

    ::

    That said – he stopped at the McDonald’s first – with the intention of killing children.

    • Drew says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 11:50 pm

      Apparently he thinks allah gives extra points for killing children and unarmed civilians. What mass hysteria in disordered minds to think such a bloodthirsty master is a god worth worshiping and not Satan himself. A sane decent person would run in the opposite direction when they get to that part and yet a billion people bow and scrape to this inciter of evil daily.

      • TH says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 3:05 am

        He is guaranteed to get the 72 virgins in the Islamic heaven immediately on killing kaffir and himself. That is called doing jihad “in the way of Allah”. It’s the only guarantee of salvation that Allah gives his followers. It doesn’t matter whether he is killing Sunni or non muslims. Even if the muslims they kill are from the same faction, all he has to do to justifying his killing spree is to declare them heretics. Islam is essentially violent in every way.

  14. Undaunted says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    Shooter at a mall? How did I know 9 years ago?

    http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2007/08/shooters.html

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:41 pm

      All useful stuff, Undaunted, thanks. I have read this before, but well worth reading again.

      This is not the first time Jihadists have attacked malls. And why not? A crowd of relaxed, distracted Infidels, most of whom are unlikely to be armed. Probably a lot of families and children. Just what homicidal Jihadists consider a target-rich environment. *Ugh*.

      • Undaunted says

        Jul 22, 2016 at 11:16 pm

        Hey, GI; thank you.

  15. Undaunted says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    More on how to not get your shit blown away at a mall…

    http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2011/06/get-your-shit-in-one-bag.html

  16. Santa Voorhees says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    I knew he got to be a muslim.

    What else could have been?

    Ok, it is possible that from now on there could be backlash against muslims (and for good reason, given all the recent attacks since Charlie Hebdo), but right wing extremists (basically whoever disagrees with the left) would not attack a random shopping center.. they would attack some refugee center instead.

    Get ready to hear that his motivations “may never be known”, and that he was “a victim of islamophobia”.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:44 pm

      Um–how many “right wing extremists” have gone on shooting sprees at refugee centers? I must have missed all of those…

      • Santa Voorhees says

        Jul 22, 2016 at 10:48 pm

        Well I’ve only heard that some refugee center were burned down across Germany and Sweden some time ago, but other than that, I do not know anything about a real shooting inside one of those centers.

        • Georg says

          Jul 22, 2016 at 11:27 pm

          I think the way it normally works is that non-Germans attack workers in the refugee center.

        • Sick of Jihad says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 12:00 am

          Most of the refugee centres that burnt were done by the refugees themselves eg. Düsseldorf.
          The one in Wertheim burnt by Germans was before any refugees had moved in, to stop even more refugees being settled there. There was no chance anyone would have gotten hurt.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 12:11 am

          Don’t assume that those fires were set by Infidels:

          “REPORT: Migrants Burn Down Asylum Centre After Not Receiving Ramadan Wake Up Call”

          http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/08/migrants-burnt-international-exhibition-centre-ground-didnt-get-ramadan-breakfast/

        • andra says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 2:01 am

          Some of these incidents happen in houses that are not inhabited. Sometimes the traitors are People who don´t want a center right besides their families, sometimes it is just insurance betrial. In the inhabidet refugee centers there are often matraces burning because they are not good enough for the inhabitants. Only a few of these incidents are right-wing attacks.

        • Santa Voorhees says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 1:21 pm

          Yeah, all true.

          I just remembered that some time ago there was spray-painted a swastika in a refugee center and later on a muslim admitted he designed it and tried to blame it on the right wing.

          So sickening!

        • Georg says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 7:30 pm

          A lot of hateful notes and acts supposedly the doing of non-Muslims are often discernable as being the work of an agent provocateur upon recognition of grammatical and other annomolies not likely to be commited by the group/s being framed.

          When there are a series of annomolies in one piece, it becomes exceedingly likely the piece is not the product of the framed.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 4:45 pm

          Exactly, Lanya. In fact, the roots of that insanity was not, it appears, dissimilar to this incident, though less murderous: Iranian Shia immigrants who had been given positions of responsibility there spitefully decided they would not wake the Sunni residents before dawn so that they could gorge before dawn during Ramadan; the Sunnis in a rage burned the center down. The charitable Infidels, of course, wound up having to clean things up.

    • Error in system says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 12:49 pm

      Could of been in ira

  17. Undaunted says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    And, even more…

    http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2010/11/speculations.html

    Told you this shit would happen.

  18. johnj says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    If he did indeed shoot himself, then he is not a true (Sunni) Jihadi. Non martyr suicide is haram – absolutely forbidden. So there is more to this story than the usual Nice/San Bernardino/Pulse MO. There is quite a substantial Sunni population in southern Iran and they often migrate as refugees.

    • ffrain says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 3:23 am

      Who gives a damn? This fucker was a religious psychopath following the single most anti-social religion out there. Ban the ideology altogether.

  19. Westman says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    The first level of denial (lying) by Europe’s elite is always, “We don’t know the motive…”

    A tiger has them by the tail and their response is to act like a mouse. Keep it quiet, kick the can down the road, sacrifice a few “little people” (unwichtige Leute) until it passes, and it won’t affect us.

    Some citizens know better and are experiencing weltschmerz; betrayed by their leaders.

    • Westman says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:24 pm

      http://creepingsharia.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/b5a1a8fiuaes1bb.jpg?w=952&h=636

      • Westman says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 12:32 am

  20. Undaunted says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    And, even more…

    http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2007/08/give-me-back-my.html

  21. Wellington says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    This will be forgotten in a month, more like a week, because there is much more to come, courtesy of the religion of peace and tolerance and courtesy of the dhimmi fools who keep making excuses for this wretched creed.

    Part of man is noble but there is a major part that is not. Islam and excuse making for Islam make up a “fine portion” of this “not.” In any case, expect more deaths and maiming, much more, courtesy of the twin errors I’ve already mentioned. Count on it.

    • Westman says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:49 pm

      I wish you were exaggerating but I find the mahem is now such a daily occurrence tha I cannot keep up with it; being forced to let the older ones fade into the past until someone like Mr. Spencer recalls it.

      What level does it take for Europe to wake up – 2 a day, 5 a day, 1 an hour? What level does it take for CAIR and “peaceful” Muslims to realize their future depends on stopping the mayhem of the “brothers” instead of denying it?

      • Kolga says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 6:55 am

        The most frightening thing is how emboldened these monsters have become, especially the young misfits amongst them, living out the last hours of their delusional Islamic power trip lives playing the lead in their very own online game, real gun and all.
        Anything could happen, anytime, anywhere.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 4:49 pm

          Yes–they are becoming further and further emboldened. I don’t think we’ve seen the worst of it yet by any means.

      • TheBuffster says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 8:00 am

        I suspect that the regular European citizen is waking up. It’s the ones who have a political investment, a career, who are afraid to wake up – especially those who have been responsible for bringing in so many people from a culture that breeds contempt for Western culture.

        The bubbled up political class and intelligentsia will stand firm on their narratives until they absolutely have not a fraction of an inch to balance on, and then they’ll hover a moment before they plummet into the ravine of oblivion.

    • Mark Swan says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 11:42 pm

      Ok fair is fair, where are the usual gun control pundits.

  22. Cy Halothrin says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    The website of the German newspaper Bild reported that the gunman was wearing boots of the type that right-wingers wear. Therefore, the gunman must have been a neo-Nazi. So you see, he couldn’t have possibly been a jihadi. He was motivated by white racism.

    That got me curious. I searched Google images for photos of ISIS and jihadis. Seems like their most popular footwear are running shoes. But then I soon found a photo of Boko Haram terrorists in Nigeria wearing boots…so I guess they must be neo-Nazi white racists with a very heavy suntan.

    After examining more images, I found a photo of Al-Shabab terrorists wearing sandals…now that could be a problem, since liberal-leftists wear sandals along with their Che T-shirts.

    Erh, but I wear sandals too. Guess I’d better ditch them. I won’t even consider wearing boots, let alone running shoes. Only by going barefoot can you remain above suspicion.

    • Westman says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:52 pm

      LOL!

    • Keys says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 1:02 am

      Cy, great analysis on right wing footwear. Wealthy right wingers wear wing tips.

  23. Undaunted says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    And this on shooters inside and outside the mall…

    http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2007/11/oh-the-weather.html

  24. Mongw says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    Really sick of this “motive unclear” shit. Stop funding the mainstream media! In many cases it’s dependent on public money so withdraw it. The BBC for example requires UK citizens to pay a license fee, but only for live transmission, which they don’t make clear. So if you live in the UK and watch all TV on a computer after live transmission has ended you’re not obliged to pay for a TV license. Stop funding these organisations who seem hellbent on misinforming the public. Alternatively, a government petition could be set up demanding real impartiality from such media groups. Personally, I prefer the former as the later will just lead to more bs and manipulation. Either way, people need to stop tolerating the obvious garbage that the mainstream media are putting out.

  25. grace says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    When it IS NOT linked to a terror group, it IS linked to the koran and to islam.

    • Calin says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 4:22 am

      The Koran is the biggest threat to humanity today. Islam means Jihad, and Jihad means terrorism, nothing else! The Western politicians are as dumm as shit.

  26. Champ says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    The suspect was an 18-year-old German-Iranian dual national who lived in Munich, police told a news conference, but his motive is unclear.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The “motive is unclear”? Anymore this ridiculous answer only demonstrates cowardice. And I blame our leaders for failing to identify the enemy: islam and company.

  27. Hans says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    Muhammad the children killer
    Who is protecting the people

  28. linnte says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    So why did he commit suicide? That seems contrary to the pattern. Anyone have any answers? Maybe there is still someone out there who could have killed this shooter to make their own escape easier? And the 18 year old would be considered collateral damage and therefore go to Paradise?

    I am just really glad it wasn’t PEDIGA or other Freedom Fighters.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 22, 2016 at 10:47 pm

      Linnte, PEGIDA has never been involved in anything like this.

    • Sick of Jihad says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 12:06 am

      Reports saying the autopsy is being used to see if he committed suicide or killed by a police bullet. So maybe the pattern isn’t different at all.

  29. Jorge abuauad says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    Iranian shia or suni most terrorist are suni

  30. Janeatte says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    What is the motive It’s not clear ?the motive is to kill infidel as much as they can,to meet their 72 Virgins

  31. citycat says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    “The motive is unclear”
    unclarity is manufactured by infidels.
    Muslims know the motive,

  32. Dum Spiro says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    Maybe this video could be retitled as Europe’s Recipe For Endless Islamic Terror:


    They say the more things change, the more they stay the same, so let’s all wise up (and get others to do so)…
    — Spero

    • Paulina says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 12:30 am

      Thank you for the video. David Wood is brilliant, he is spot on about Islam and terror. The leftists need to watch David’s videos.

    • Champ says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 2:14 am

      Thank you, Dum Spiro! I learn so much from all of David Wood’s videos. He’s brilliant!

    • Dum Spiro says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 12:47 pm

      You’re welcome. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, so a video must be exponentially moreso! 😉 I like to bring people together through a shared appreciation of the truth, and individuals like Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, David Wood, Raymond Ibrahim, Brigitte Gabriel, Dr. Bill Warner, Nabeel Qureshi, Walid Shoebat, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, judge Jeanine Pirro, Nonie Darwish, Paul Joseph Watson, Ezra Levant, Hazem Farraj, Sarah Haider, “Dom the conservative,” Geert Wilders, Gavin Boby, Jamie Glazov, Bibi Wilhailm, and Anni Cyrus can present the truth in videos more eloquently than I.

      You can and will broaden your own understanding just by randomly searching for YouTube videos made by any of those people cited and watching them with an open mind…
      — Spero

    • Dum Spiro says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 1:09 pm

      Hey — I just “stumbled upon” this: Dr. Bill Warner on Soundcloud
      https://soundcloud.com/user-460569656

      For those of you looking to listen to Dr. Bill’s wisdom as you drive (or wherever you have access to Soundcloud), check it out! You can even just use the Soundcloud app and search for him there. (It’s the one named “Political Islam.”)

      More can realize that Islam does have a very powerful (and bad for non-Muslim “kafirs” or “kuffra”!) inherent political component…
      — Spero

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 5:14 pm

      Particularly brilliant analysis from David Wood.

      The most terrifying thing about Islam is what it deems as “good deeds”–these are not, as in other faiths, things that are genuinely benignant, or even–beyond a point–simple observance of the religion. Instead, it is *waging violent Jihad*.

      Add to this that this is deemed the *only* way a Muslim can be sure of entering paradise and escaping hell, it is all the more dangerous.

      One more thing, which David Wood did not cover, but is also extremely important: Muslims believe that Mujahideen–“Martyrs” who die waging violent Jihad–are able to bring in loved ones to paradise with them *no matter whether they have been good Muslims or not*. The usual number given is a whopping 72 (just like the number of those Houris).

      That means that a former “bad Muslim” can bring in not just family members, but also his buddies who may still be out doing jello shots, sneaking Big Macs during Ramadan, and dating loose Infidel women.

      Ridiculous–but a powerful motivator for a Muslim concerned about not the just the state of his own salvation, but of his pals. And all he has to do is slaughter some of the people who have given him and his fellow Muslims asylum. No problem for a newly observant Mohammedan…

  33. Joe says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    I and probably millions of people knew it was an Islamic attack even before they came out with the nationality of the killer.

    Obama still seem to not know what it all is about. He denies over and over again it has anything to do with Islam.

    How comes they call him a president, chief of the army and leader if he knows less than many ordinary people?

    I think that with such a president we do not need an enemy anymore.

  34. Heather says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    We are ‘shocked’ at this shooting. What could the killer’s motive be? What religion was he? Anyone know? We’d better have another 100 Forums, Committees and Research into this. Better still let’s bring in millions more muslims. And so on will go the endless drivel of the pathetically corrupt.
    I cry inside, I don’t know if it’s from sadness, rage or helplessness as little innocent kids are slaughtered and nobody in power does anything to fight back.
    Thank you Robert Spencer, a brilliant and caring man for giving us this outlet to express our despair.

    • Paulina says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 12:55 am

      I feel sad and cry inside too when children were killed by these jihadists. I hope the Germans and Europeans demand the resignation of their leaders who let these Muslims into their countries. These Muslims need to be deported before they kill more innocent people.There are other ways to help the refugees than letting them into your country. If a homeless person asks for help, we would not bring them into our house because we don’t want to put our family in danger. We would bring them to a shelter or give them money to buy food. These leftist leaders are so out of touch with reality.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 24, 2016 at 5:17 pm

        Yes. Paulina–targeting children is particularly despicable.

    • linnte says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 3:59 am

      Heather, Amen!

    • Nigel GFF says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 1:00 pm

      “I will not say: do not weep; for not all tears are an evil.” (Gandalf – J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King)

      We do not have ‘Titanic’ powers and nothing like the angelic powers of Gandalf but as lesser creatures we can fight and spread the word, according our attributes. Vote.

  35. Richard Ashton says

    Jul 22, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    Very rarely I watch BBC news, even though im British. However, on this occasion I did as was editing and had the iplayer on.
    I’ve never listened to such delusional rubbish in my life. They so wanted this to be a right wing shooting and kept mentioning the big possibility that it was. How can anyone interested in journalism be so blinded to reporting facts. They have experts on there pointing out that the shooter was probably a far right German, it would be laughable if it wasn’t so serious. But the biggest joke of it all is that us British have to pay the BBC to produce this left slanted nonsense of fairytale land they all come from.
    The real tragedy of it all is sooner rather than later it could be a white European. The media will salivate over it, at last their self fulfilling prophecy will come true. A right wing nutter, although in reality it’ll be just a totally disillusioned European fed up of having to disbelieve his own eyes day after day after day……….

  36. More Ham Ed says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 12:03 am

    “Munich shooting: Gunman acted alone, say police”
    He had help and guidance from the unholy ko ‘ran.

  37. Cecilia Ellis says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 12:06 am

    A news article now reports that people may have been lured to the McDonald’s with a false Facebook advertisement stating that free food would be given out.

    http://dailym.ai/2am7iMP

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 12:14 am

      First I’d heard of this, Cecilia. Even more despicable.

      • Cecilia Ellis says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 12:20 am

        Graven, while I don’t know if it is a credible fact, that DailyMail reported it is significant. No other news agency seems to have mentioned this item of interest. If indeed valid, then, as you said, this is “even more despicable.” If it did not happen, be assured that it will happen in the near future.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 5:19 pm

          Cecilia, Jihad Watch covers this here:

          “Munich jihadi may have lured children to their deaths with fake Facebook ad”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/munich-jihadi-may-have-lured-children-to-their-deaths-with-fake-facebook-ad

  38. Scott says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 12:07 am

    The most bizarre and Orwellian aspect of this is that three days from now, IF the MSM even remembers this attack, they’ll tell us the “motive was unclear”.
    Good Grief….
    NEWSPEAK is the new norm with the MSM and Western “liberal” (fascist) Governments.

    Just ask Sally Kohn and Rachael Madow. Then ask, “thrill up his leg” Chris Matthews.
    “Move along, nothing to see here”……NEXT! (and there will be a “next”).

  39. Slavonian says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 12:13 am

    Gee, it was Friday evening, and the mosquetos were out. The Octoberfest still had a couple of days to go.
    Muslims had expressed their condemnation of this pagan festivity before. So what do you think the motivation was?
    Target hit! The revelry is over and everyone has to go home. Jihad wins again; our numbers are reduced, and our customs assaulted.

    • KnowThyEnemy says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 4:29 am

      “mosquetos”- I am so stealing that one. And good catch about it being Friday evening!

  40. johnj says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 12:48 am

    I wonder if he sent $100,000 plus to his family in the last week.
    It seems to be the going rate for slaughter of kaffir. ( and Paradise of course)

  41. Kay says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 1:09 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/i-am-german-munich-gunman-took-part-in-shouting-match-during-attack

    He said “I’m German.” Here’s the explanation.

  42. Steve Klein says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 1:44 am

    Motive: “UNCLEAR

    CNN: “The man was not known to police and his motives are unclear, authorities said. No group has claimed responsibility.”

  43. Lawrence says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 2:05 am

    You should check the woeful Yahoo News and other outlets, he’s German, and yelled that he was a German. No notion that he was a Muslim. None. This kind of farce will go on and on. We will have another 9-11, in Europe this time, thousands will be burned alive, maimed, ISIS will claim responsibility, the names of the perpetrators will be Mohammed Al-Fariq Abbas and Mohammed Al-Islam, their facebook profiles will be hardcore jihadist etc. and the authorities will be baffled as to a motive. Until there is a revolution, nothing will change.

  44. andra says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 2:07 am

    In German media they have not confirmed yet that the man has yelled Allahu Akbar, and probably they never will. As Mr. de Maisiere, Minister of internal affairs, once said: “There are Information that could worry the public” – And this could be such Information.

    They also have not confirmed yet that it were children he killed.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 5:29 pm

      Yes–eight of the nine dead are under 20 years old:

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/victims-of-munich-shooting-were-predominately-teenagers

      Three of the victims were 14, two just 13.

  45. John says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 2:07 am

    Sadly, the images of the bodies of the kids should be released for the world to see.

    Words can only say so much: the world needs to stand together, and, bear witness.

    Enough is enough. This has gone way too far, by now.

    • Georg says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 7:05 am

      Strongly agree. In a democracy, the electorate needs as much information as possible to make as informed a decision as possible. The powers that be are increasingly keeping information from us in order to allow for their policy decisions that would be resisted by an informed public. This is a major reason why the feds in France were trying to have the Nice footage destroyed. They will dissemble and say it is to protect the dignity of the victims, or to prevent a propoganda victory for the perpetrators, which might be the case in a lesser sense, but since their highest motive in destroying or hiding information is to enable their policy choices by shielding the public from information, their stated reasons for censhorship are simply an example of lying by ommission.

  46. Telramund says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 2:59 am

    Anyone remember when the US and Germany and other Western European powers bombed Serbia for trying to defend their ancestral land of Kosovo against Islamic invaders? Turns out that 2 of the accomplices of the Nice jihadi were from Kosovo. What’s happening today in Western Europe should not surprise anyone.

  47. Lawrence says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 3:07 am

    And Obama has been yucking it up at a press conference, making jokes even as he is talking about the Munich attack. Sickening, but that’s Obama. Has to make light of the bloody consequences of policies he supports.

    Does anybody know how this youngster got hold of his weapon, not easy to get guns and rifles in Germany. I can’t find anything yet in this regard.

    Somewhat uncannily symbolic, the last time there was a significant jihadist terrorist attack in Munich, was the Palestinian massacre of Israeli athletes in ’72. At the Olympics. And we are on the verge of a new Olympic Games in Rio. Bad omen for Rio…. I wonder.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 4:15 am

      The teenage Parramatta shooter was supplied with a gun in his mosque.
      A mosque is “a storage place for arms”.

    • KnowThyEnemy says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 4:51 am

      Wherever there is a Muslim community, Muslims CAN find guns, rifles, axes, knives, machetes, etc, no matter what the laws. Muslims do not simply sell kebabs; plenty of them indulge in [weapons] smuggling activities too.

      Also, as Michael Copeland points out, mosques can be storage places for arms, since they aren’t simply a place to pray. They also are local Islamic military posts.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 5:33 pm

      Criminals and Jihadists can *always* find weapons. It is law-abiding citizens who so often cannot.

  48. Telramund says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 3:07 am

    Judy Woodruff, of PBS news, was lamenting that these attacks benefit Trump. To our establishment, the biggest problem with Islamic terror is that it may result in Trump being elected. They truly hate Trump more than they hate the jihadi murderers.

  49. Sue says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 4:00 am

    They are saying it was a lone wolf attack so who was the man on the roof? He was wearing all black. The shooter on the ground was wearing a red shirt and what look like blue pants and a hat. They are obviously different shooters. What’s going on and why have there been so many misleading reports about this particular attack…..more than is usual, it seems?

  50. François Gravel says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 4:11 am

    Says the Associated Press, “Munich attacker’s motive still fully unclear” (sic). Or “completely unclear,” according to Al Jazeera. Now let me guess: the perpetrator was an extremist, radicalized murderous/suicidal Evangelical Christian. Bingo!

  51. Laura says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:02 am

    Iran doesn’t recognise ‘dual nationality’ which is why Iranians living in the west are often imprisoned when visiting their home country. We should abolish the right of muslims to claim citizenship in the west, instead they could be given ‘guest worker’ status. That way they could be quickly expelled if they proved troublesome, or became habitual welfare claimants.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 6:07 pm

      I don’t think we want them here at all, Laura–the Jihad mass murderer in Nice had just this status, and it did not prevent him from slaughtering 84 people there.

  52. Jerry says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:17 am

    To quote from the BB(S)C news:

    “The suspect was an 18-year-old German-Iranian dual national who lived in Munich, police told a news conference, but his motive is unclear.”

    Unclear indeed.

    What is absolutely clear once you watch BBC World News (and Sky News and CNN) is that with a preponderance of Islamic presenters and “journalist” names, how could they possibly be suspected of any particular bias.

  53. duh swami says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:40 am

    When authority figures, the MSM and others attempt to muddy the waters of motivation to protect Islam, they are accessories to Islamic terrorism and murder…

  54. Sam Hawkins says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:40 am

    Name of shooter according to Daily Mail (UK): Ali Sonboly

    Name of shooter according to SPIEGEL online edition (Germany): David S.

    Hmmmm…

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 6:08 pm

      Full name Ali David Sonboly. I guess mentioning “Ali” makes it too clear that he was Muslim.

      • Isahiah62 says

        Jul 24, 2016 at 7:18 pm

        not DAVID either but DAUD… ALI DAUD no Muz takes a name of a Jewish king unless like many internet trolls, they are trying to pretend they are Jewish, Jews will be blamed for what they say, or give their lies some credibility . Same reason he shouted I am a German

  55. Luke says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 5:59 am

    This deliberate obfuscation of the problem in the media is looking like complicity. Is this something that was agreed at Bilderberg I wonder?

  56. Baucent says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 6:30 am

    One of the important questions now is where did he get the pistol. Not that easy in Germany. But someone supplied it along with large amount of ammunition. Was that person an accomplice?

  57. Klaas says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 6:30 am

    Everything I read here is premature, and one day JW is going to shoot itself in the foot this way. It is completely normal for police to say that the motive is totally unclear in the first hours after a shooting like this one. Nothing to do with political correctness, not yet at least. The police will say the same about the causes of a train crash. They will investigate the guy’s connections, his computer and his phone, and it is at that point that we have to be on high alert for possible political correctness.

    This site often criticizes the media, but it does not look great itself. I know this is not a news site, and that it just gathers information from the internet. But you make your own headlines, and they were all biased. “15 dead” is not correct. “He shouted Allahu Akbar”: this is based on one eye-witness and no further evidence (as far as I know), while there is a video where the terrorist verbally attacks foreigners. This is mentioned in the article, but the headline makes a choice. “he was a muslim”. The headline states this very categorically, but as far as I can tell all we know for sure is that he is Iranian. Yes, 99.4% of Iranians are muslims, but why jump to this conclusion already? Maybe he turns out to be an Iranian Christian, prosecuted and harassed by muslims. Wouldn’t that provide a plausible motive?

    There have been similar shootings by non-muslims, most notably Breivik exactly five years ago. I would give an islamic motive a high probability in this case, but there are confusing facts. What is the guy (who is dressed like the person shooting in front of the McDonalds) doing on that rooftop? Why did he not take the opportunity to shout Allahu Akbar and other islamic rethoric? Did he aim his gun at specific people, or just at random?

    One day you are going to blame a non-islamic attack prematurely on Islam, and you know how the muslim apologists will respond to that. It will severely damage our cause, namely to stop the islamization of the “west”.

    • Baucent says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 6:37 am

      Yes, I agree it’s good to be cautious not to jump to conclusions. But I think you overstate the risk that comments on this site will “severely damage our cause”. I doubt that, making a wrong early call on one incident will not undermine the counter jihad.

    • duh swami says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 6:42 am

      PHHHt JW is not court…It’s OK to form an opinion…especially an educated one…no one really cares what you think…People who shill for Islam are enablers of jihad…

    • johnj says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 7:20 am

      Unfortunately it has to be probability – because there is never certainty. Also it is proved many times that the press cover up any mention of Muslim or Islam. This is a discussion. It is not a highly – or publicly – paid ( such as BBC paid to be impartial) media organisation. Third this is about morality and people’s lives so it is going to get emotional. That is called life.
      In “discussion” hypothesis are put forward and people discuss using probability. This is the basis of Western civilization and progress. You may not like the hypothesis and the discussion, but it is the scientific method.
      Sorry to be technical – but you need it.

      • Georg says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 7:31 am

        “Maybe he turns out to be an Iranian Christian, prosecuted and harassed by muslims. Wouldn’t that provide a plausible motive?”

        Not really.

    • David A says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 9:03 am

      So you think he was upset with foreign Muslims coming in so he went and shot native children at McDonald’s?

      There have been multiple reports of multiple shooters. Were those all oncorrect?

      It is not just the caution of holding back until more is known, it is the move by the statists to blame ” right wing” radicals. What is your view on that.

      Dollars to donghts, this was Islamic motivated.

      You are correct though, someday the citizens will strike back, but they will just be ordinary people pushed to far because the lame stream media and statists in charge were arrogant and stupid and liars.

    • Ashley says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 10:35 am

      You make an astute point, Klass, and I appreciate your objective insight.

      That said, there is no disputing that the lion’s share of terror attacks as of late have been motivated by Islam. As such, it isn’t a stretch to think, “oh brother, here’s another one.” It may be a flawed conclusion, but not an unreasonable one given the current spate of such attacks.

      You are critical of Robert’s headline, but I’m equally critical of the MSM headlines that so very quickly dismiss this attack as an act of jihad. How can that be, so early on in the investigation? Both conclusions are premature, IMO, but Robert’s headline resonates as the more accurate one. Biased? Definitely. But this forum is not a court of law…it is a gathering of like-minds concerned about jihad and the media’s deliberate attempt to downplay the danger. Nine people were gunned down in a shopping mall. Right or wrong, jihad comes to mind.

      It simply fits the profile…

    • Demsci says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 2:56 pm

      In response, I agree with Duh-Swami that is OK to form an opinion and with JohnJ and others that by now the opinion of JW is a high probability.

      Klaas, I think you are unduly concerned with bias on this website.

      I can sketch the situation as there being made hypothetical charges against Killers with an apparent Muslim background as suspects in a hypothetical courtroom.

      In such a situation would we not expect a Judge, Jury, prosecutor, defense attorney, and the public?

      Given that out there in the media, among the politicians, the public and of course among the Muslims, there are a plethora of BIASED defense attorneys,

      is n’t it very unreasonable to expect Robert Spencer to be UNBIASED and reticent in his conclusions until all the facts and testimonies are in?

      No, that is what the Judge and Jury and public are supposed to do, and oh, they will hear the other side of the argument aplenty, their whole life, everywhere they go.

      I see Robert Spencer in the role of prosecutor, on the people’s behalf. And oh, how he and his allies get often scorned for that!

      So really Robert and his alles, I think, bring a bit of BALANCE to the debate about Islam and Democracy.

      You, Klaas, shouldn’t exhort an excellent prosecutor to be neutral, while so many in the media, politics and of course among the Muslims are anything BUT NEUTRAL.

  58. chanah says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 6:45 am

    wrong the motive is very clear read the cursed quran I don’t believe he killed himself I think he were killed in order to be a martyr and go to jennah and receive his 72 virgins, he is not a lone wolf.

  59. Angemon says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 6:45 am

    Iranian, eh? Probably a shia twelver.

    • Angemon says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 6:53 am

      Oh, and if he was a shia twelver, the islamic state must be regretting celebrating his “success”.

    • The Oracle says

      Jul 23, 2016 at 11:48 am

      My bet is that he’s an Iranian Sunni. There are about 8,000,000 living in Iran.

      If I’m correct then ISIS is waiting to see if that’s the case, then declare involvement and credit.

      • Angemon says

        Jul 23, 2016 at 7:16 pm

        Avenger posted:

        “My bet is that he’s an Iranian Sunni. There are about 8,000,000 living in Iran.”

        You’re aware that this took place in *Germany*, right?

        • The Oracle says

          Jul 23, 2016 at 10:59 pm

          Yes, he probably was allowed citizenship in Germany because he was a persecuted minority sect (Sunni) in Iran.
          Shia terrorists usually go after hard targets ( military or police ), shopping malls aren’t their bag.
          I can’t say “always” though.
          I’m sure we will find out soon.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 6:56 am

          Avenger posted:

          “Yes, he probably was allowed citizenship in Germany because he was a persecuted minority sect (Sunni) in Iran.”

          Or he’s a shia – seeing how his name is Ali.

          “Shia terrorists usually go after hard targets ( military or police ), shopping malls aren’t their bag.”

          Or civilians like defenceless women and children, like Hezbollah just a few hours ago.

        • The Oracle says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 10:35 am

          Oh, like the bombing in Kabul yesterday killing 80 and wounding 230, all victims were Shia.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 11:37 am

          Avenger posted:

          “Oh, like the bombing in Kabul yesterday killing 80 and wounding 230, all victims were Shia.”

          Were those done by shia bombers? If not, why are you bringing it up after specifically mentioning Shia terrorist targets?

        • The Oracle says

          Jul 24, 2016 at 10:02 pm

          No, they were Sunni ( Taliban ) bombers murdering Afghan Shias.
          BTW the Munich Jihadi’s politics, according to Facebook, were pro-Turkey and his family are from Syria, not Iran.
          A Sunni not a Shiite “Twelver” like you assumed.
          Have a big slice of crow pie.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 25, 2016 at 8:33 am

          Avenger posted:

          “No, they were Sunni ( Taliban ) bombers murdering Afghan Shias.”

          Then why bring it up when *you* specifically mentioned shia terrorists?

          “BTW the Munich Jihadi’s politics, according to Facebook, were pro-Turkey and his family are from Syria, not Iran.”

          The Oracle says

          July 23, 2016 at 11:48 am

          My bet is that he’s an Iranian Sunni.

          Anyway, citation needed – can you link to this alleged FB source that seemingly know more than the German authorities who handled his case?

          “A Sunni not a Shiite “Twelver” ”

          Citation needed.

  60. duh swami says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 6:46 am

    Motivation…What is it you don’t understand about Allahu Akbar?

  61. Luke says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 7:12 am

    BBC is saying this guy was linked to Anders Behring Breivik, had no connections with ISIS (therefore wasn’t Islamically motivated?) and was obsessed with mass shootings. They are also playing up the fact that three victims were Kosovan (hence Muslim).
    This is full damage control mode. It’s anything but Islam!

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 6:18 pm

      Of course, not all Jihad is motivated by ISIS.

  62. Norwegian says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 7:37 am

    And the MSM is folowing up on this Breivik-fantasy ???

    They just reached a new level of LOW

    “Man from MIDDLE EAST inspired by Norwegian anti-multicultural terrorist Breivik”

    Yes, that makes a lot of sense….

  63. David M says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 7:56 am

    Yep, on the web site I talk on here in Australia, that is what the leftists are all going with. Even when the Muslims do something big like detonate a dirty bomb or poison the water supply, they will be in denial.

    ” After checking his apartment, and belongings, police found no hint or connection to ISIS or any indication for religious motives.
    * It seems he had mental issues.
    * He had searched for similar masshootings, and was apparently fascinated by masskillings.”

  64. isabella van der westhuizen says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 8:23 am

    Sounds like he was a right wing fanatic

  65. vicki says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 8:35 am

    • Ray M says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 3:45 pm

      Very good video. I wish that everyone in the world would view this video. It would stop all the bulls–t after these mass murders from Islam scum bags. I will never understand how a person with a IQ of 25 or above can believe Islam is about peace. The number 1 problem is that most people live in their own little world totally oblivious to what is happening in the real world. They can not or do not want to read an email with more than 10 words, or they have their eyes glued to their phones looking at facebook. And the only news they hear about is the 15 or 30 seconds they get from the idiots on CNN, NBC or CBS which is just a total waste of time. But the idiots believe every word that they hear. And if you say anything different from what CNN told them, you are the idiot. What I see coming out of the schools is scary. They can’t think for themselves and don,t have a clue what is happening right under their nose. The other big problem is the large number of people that don,t want to know, because it is to painful to know what is happening. They are the ones that only want to have happy thoughts.
      The Islam death cult should be removed from earth. Just think for 15 seconds or less if you started a cult with the same beliefs Islam has about killing everyone that doesn’t agree with your new cult. In what country would you not be in jail for spreading hate speech? And then get your deranged followers to murder 10 innocent people. If you didn’t get life in prison you would be executed and rightfully so. So why does the Islam death cult get a free pass to spread their crap around the world?

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 7:20 pm

      Excellent video–compare and contrast. Islam is rarely about any sort of actual morality.

      I would only cavil on one very small point–George Bush unfortunately popularized the absurd “Islam is a religion of peace” canard, but he did not coin it. Quite correct, though, that no pious Muslim believes this.

  66. eduardo odraude says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 8:46 am

    Another video from David Wood

    President Obama and the Munich Mall Massacre

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 7:32 pm

      Grimly apt.

  67. Pal says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 9:34 am

    “Proven link to Breivik”.
    “Any link to islamic militants ruled out”.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36874497
    Isn’t only islam connection enough?
    Head into the sand.
    OmG, until how many Munichs more!!..

  68. mark says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 11:09 am

    The German government won’t call this what it is, just like Obama won’t. It would scare the citizens, and would infer some responsibility on the government. And we can’t have the government responsible for something they CLEARLY DID WITHOUT PUBLIC APPROVAL. A few more of these will happen in Germany (the odds are in the muslim immigrants favor), until the good German people get tired of getting killed. Maybe then they’ll get rid of that hag Merkel that caused the problem in the first place. Your move, German citizens…

  69. JC says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 11:14 am

    This does not fit the Merkel narrative, so the police and media attempt to quash it and to at to divert suspicion away from the perpetrator by a) calling him a German b) not publishing his name (which I still have yet to hear given; I’m sure it is very Muslim-sounding, i.e. Muhammed, etc) c) coming out very quickly to say it is a possible right-winger and has nothing to do with refugees or Islam

    The people of Germany need to overthrow Merkel and the whole EU cast of characters who push their multicultural leftist elite liberal philosophies on their own peoples. Enough is enough! Nor can we allow a similar type of leader to arise in this country (i.e. a strong female progressive with Socialist leanings). This is the moment of history by which our generation will be judged…

  70. Mark A says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 11:46 am

    A lot of media reports are trying to link this shooter to Anders Breivik. Is this an attempt to deflect blame and responsibility?

    JW, please keep following this story and report subsequent developments.

  71. Johan Elzinga says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    Please people we need your help – all or most of the above comments are absolutely right but do not reach the people who should be informed. Please fill the comment section of die Welt, focus.de and other German online newspapers! I know German is not easy to write but I’ m sure with some help of google or some german friends you will manage! That is much more satisfying than talking to the converted, although I am thankful to all who left their comment here!

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 7:55 pm

      Actually, lots of new people check out Jihad Watch after virtually all terror attacks. Remember that most people read here but do not comment–so posting here is not just preaching to the converted.

  72. davej says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    The answer is to ban the Koran in every Western country. It is manifestly hate speech and incitement to violence.

    Then let the chips fall where they may.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 8:00 pm

      In that case, it would be people like Robert Spencer who would be arrested for owning Qur’ans. I want to see Infidels *reading* that foul book, so they can know what we’re up against.

  73. Hummer says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 2:33 pm

    Trump will win by a landslide as this will continue. I’d like to see our tax dollars removed from elitist PBS that claims to be “fair and balanced” as their leftist positions continually prove otherwise. Unfortunately Germany for some reason can’t raise a candidate against Merkel and her stupidity and get out of the EU before it collapses forcing immigration on member countries. Remember we still have a choice and we need to straighten up the mess this administration has brought on the USA.

  74. Isahiah62 says

    Jul 23, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    It’s not going to stop until you wise up GERMANY , film by Pierre Rehov, documentary filmmaker outlines why it is WESTERN TOLERANCE of this EVIL that allows it to continue

    …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaNOHWHFZ4I

  75. Politicallyincorrectistruth says

    Jul 24, 2016 at 7:07 am

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 8:03 pm

      Muslims are butchering people all over the world, and you are posting bs about Catholics–good grief…

    • Manuele says

      Jul 30, 2016 at 6:54 am

      I MUST SAY A FUCKWITS PISSES INTO HIS OWN MOUTH

  76. Karl Mann says

    Jul 26, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    Motive is not clear? Seriously? FFS what a bunch of freaking retards Germany has in charge now. Ugh. Germany has gone too liberal, too soft, too willing to succumb to Islam. It will be a barren wasteland in 50 years time. Like everywhere that these Islamic hillbillies take over. >.<

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