“An 18-year-old German-Iranian man who complained he had been bullied killed nine people then himself during a gun rampage through Munich yesterday, with police probing claims he lured some of his young victims to their deaths with a promise of free McDonald’s food.” When they arrived, he screamed “Allahu akbar” and shot them dead to appease his bloodthirsty god. Authorities, as always, continue to search for a motive.
“Did Munich killer Ali Sonboly lure children to their deaths on Facebook? Police probe fake ad for free food at massacre McDonald’s where Iranian, 18, killed first of his nine victims before turning gun on himself,” by Anthony Joseph, Patrick Lion and Alan Hall, Mailonline, July 23, 2016:
An 18-year-old German-Iranian man who complained he had been bullied killed nine people then himself during a gun rampage through Munich yesterday, with police probing claims he lured some of his young victims to their deaths with a promise of free McDonald’s food.
A fake Facebook page reportedly told youngsters to gather in a specific fast food restaurant yesterday afternoon for the special offer. At around 5:50pm, Ali Sonboly burst from the restaurant’s toilets and began ‘killing the children’ with a pistol, witnesses said. He then continued his bloody spree in a local shopping centre and on the streets around Munich’s Olympic quarter.
A number of ‘adolescents’ were among the dead and several ‘children’ were injured, Munich Police President Hubertus Andrae said late last night. Asked whether the Facebook ‘game’ was linked to the attack, he replied it was ‘one part of the comprehensive investigation we are conducting’.
He confirmed the attacker had dual nationality and had lived in Germany for some time – at least two years, possibly much longer. Last night German commandos raided the home the attacker shared with his parents in the suburb of Maxvorstadt. Locals described him as a ‘quiet guy’.
The attack paralysed the southern German city, bringing renewed fears of terrorism to mainland Europe just a week after the Nice atrocity. A total lockdown of the area was only lifted early today when police confirmed the gunman was acting alone and had killed himself in a side street nearby and gave a ‘cautious all-clear’.
The motive for the attack, which was captured in numerous dramatic videos, remained unclear this morning, however police were investigating footage posted online which showed the gunman talking of being ‘bullied for seven years’, raising fears it was a revenge attack on youngsters who had wronged him.
But just a week after another teenager attacker launched an ISIS-inspired axe attack on a German train, witnesses in McDonald’s described hearing yesterday’s attacker shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’, or ‘God is Great’, a cry used by Islamist terrorists during previous attacks. And ISIS supporters took to social media in the hours after yesterday’s atrocity to celebrate the killings.
Three people remain critically ill this morning following the attack, with 16 others receiving medical treatment. In total, 21 people were hurt….
One witness, named only as Loretta, told how she had been in the McDonald’s with her son when the shooting started.
She told CNN: ‘I come out of the toilet and I hear, like an alarm, boom, boom, boom. He’s killing the children. The children were sitting to eat. They can’t run.’
Loretta said she had been in the restrooms at the same time as the shooter, with her eight-year-old son. As he started shooting, he yelled ‘Allahu Akbar’, she said….
Bystanders call him a ‘w*****’ and an ‘a*******’ – one of the most offensive phrases in the German language. They accuse him of being ‘mad’ and a ‘Turk’ before using a derogatory term for ‘foreigner’ towards him.
This sparked the gunman to reply: ‘I am a German.’ The bystander, who became known as ‘balcony man’ online, insisted: ‘You’re a w*****.’…
The gunman claimed to have been born in Munich and brought up in a tough working class area on benefits. He ends the discussion by firing a shot towards those taunting him, sending them diving for cover.
As the first confused reports began to filter out of the area, police believed up to three gunmen were involved and were carrying ‘long rifles’ in an echo of Islamist attacks in Mumbai and Paris.
They lost contact with the gunman despite a patrol exchanging fire with him and he was feared to have fled onto the city’s U-Bahn underground network. Over the following minutes, reports of shootings emerged across Munich – all which proved false alarms….
In a late-night press conference, Munich Police Presidnet Hubertus Andrae admitted his officers were only just beginning to answer the questions thrown up by the attack and couldn’t yet rule out terrorism.
‘The question of terrorism or a rampage is tied to motive, and we don’t know the motive,’ he said, adding the attacker was not previously known to police….

MM says
I don’t think he was a Jihadi. He is of Iranian origin, most probably a Muslim, but he was also bullied at school and there is the video of him clearly showing he has some problems. He also says explicitly that his in therapy for some mental disorder. That’s not how a Jihadi acts. Yes, most of these attacks are jihad attacks. Yes, usually the left wants to tell us it’s mental disorder instead of faith in Mohammed. But this time there is evidence that it is one of the exceptions.
Hwilsongoon says
Im not sure MM.
You are correct he was mentally ill.
BUT his targets were kosovan and turks and a greek man who was probably olive skinned and looked turkish.
Im going with the bullying angle. Bullied at school by sunni muslims or turks because he was of a shia or shiite heritage. Or many because he was iranian.
Either way this comes across as an act of political sectarian terrorism. The mental illness part helped him to overcome his fear of killing and death.
We should file this one under “out of control immigration.”
David A says
Islamic jihad and rampage insanity are not exactly far apart. If he was Muslim and shouted the typical praise of Allah, he was following numerous Islamic leaders requests to kill the infidel.
berserker says
I suspect as much. But I would like to know where a kid managed to get hold of a gun and so much ammunition in a country with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world.
Hwilsongoon says
Precisely. Convinient how no one in the EU press are talking about his firearm.
MM says
Well, there have been open borders to war zones at least since the nineties (with the war in the Balkans). I personally wouldn’t know how to get a gun and certainly there is a risk when you buy a gun on the black market. But prices are told to be pretty low. Also you could just steal it as happened some years ago in the Winnenden shooting. Actually that guy stole the gun from his Dad.
Dom107 says
German gun laws are not that restrictive compared with the UK for example which I think are still not restrictive enough but in any case he had not got a licence anyway and illegal arms are available anywhere for a price.The police also said he had material about Hamas which I think are supported by Iran which probably was his spiritual homeland and maybe he had some connections there.
There is probably more to come out of this story.
Fact remains Islam of any flavor is corrosive to Western society and nine totally innocent people died in Munich because the likes of Merkel refuses to admit she was wrong.We can only hope the German people have enough sense to boot her and her party out of office next year in the general election and reverse her idiotic immigration policies !!
WVinMN says
Still not restrictive enough? Spoken like a true Marxofacist. I mean, why would we want to empower the people at the potential expense of centralized government control? Typical Eurotrash logic, but coming soon to my Republic. The US truly was a revolutionary anomaly in so many ways, but especially in the way the US Constitution was designed to severely limit the power of the federal
government and authoritarian power grabs that are the norm for most of the world. The people were truly entrusted with the ability to practice self rule. No longer. Over a century of attacks from “progressive” POS like yourself have nearly destroyed the constitutionally mandated protections people used to take for granted. You monsters are always wrong, but you manage to appeal to the sheep, especially in times of conflict. Maybe the next great Republic will find away to destroy authoritarianism once and for all. Based on world history, however, I have my doubts.
Mong says
Exactly, even if we say this guy was depressed etc. where’s he got the gun from? Plus depressed people don’t want to harm others, that’s something else entirely. Let’s say he was bullied, many people are bullied and they don’t start shooting up public places shouting Allahu Akbar! Given the obvious determination of the mainstream media to find any other possible motive when dealing with Islamic terrorism, I’m putting this one down to the same.
Michael Copeland says
The teenage shooter in Parramatta was supplied with the gun in the mosque.
A mosque is “a storage place for arms” (Sam Solomon).
utis says
Chicago’s gun laws don’t keep the kiddies from blasting one another each weekend. And they’re not waging jihad. Unless our media and authorities are lying to us.
Mirren10 says
berserker says :
”I suspect as much. But I would like to know where a kid managed to get hold of a gun and so much ammunition in a country with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world.”
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/munich-killer-bought-gun-on-dark-web/ar-BBuKnVG?ocid=spartandhp
Prebangian says
Nine out of ten criminally insane individuals prefer Islam. I think Islam predisposes the mentally ill to commit terrorism.
TH says
Mahommedanism provokes mental disorders. So, the two things may be true
mortimer says
It’s an Islamic revenge killing and an honor killing.
In Islam, the loss of a Muslim’s honor is requited with blood.
By murdering white Germans, the killer returned honor to Islam.
There will be more such killings until Germans realize it is normative Islam and take actions to deprogram Muslims or remove them from Germany.
gravenimage says
MM wrote:
I don’t think he was a Jihadi. He is of Iranian origin, most probably a Muslim, but he was also bullied at school and there is the video of him clearly showing he has some problems…
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Another Muslim massacre at a mall–which Jihadis have done many times now–and screaming “Allahu Akbar!”, calling at least one of the victims a “whore”–but it must just be “problems”, presumably of the emotional type. Keep drinking the kool-aid…
Adrian says
Agreed, graven image….
this guy was mentally ill because he was a follower of the mentally ill Muhamed who created a mentally ill cult.
the best pretexts for violence are all in Islam.
mortimer says
Yes…keep drinking the koolaid. This is REVOLUTIONARY, CULTURAL MARXIST SUICIDE.
gravenimage says
So true, Adrian and Mortimer.
linnte says
And today a pregnant woman is killed with a machete wielding Muslim. Two people dead in one fell swoop.
duh swami says
From post above…You are correct he was mentally ill.
Who diagnosed him and what as his diagnosis?
خَليفة says
Diagnosis: F73, F65.6, F40.1, F22.9 just to name a few. There should be an ICD10 code for “chronic practice of Islam”, or PMS ( “pious Muslim syndrome” ), but I think we’ll have to wait for ICD11, or perhaps ICD12
maybe diagnosis was ICD10 W62.1 ( contact with non venomous toads )
Hehehe
Angemon says
Meaning this was premeditated. Compare this with, for example, Columbine – the killers in Columbine were allegedly bullied, and they didn’t go after innocent bystanders, they went after those who they considered to have wronged them – students and staff of their school.
linnte says
You hit the discerning nail on the head. People who want retribution attack the people who offended them. To decide the motive of a killer, look at who he kills. This isn’t a bullying shooting, it’s Islamic.
Hwilsongoon says
He killed the kids from his area. This is similar to columbine.
He didnt got to an all white liberal arts show or museum in munich he chose an area that is multicultural with a heavy islamic presence.
His victims were mainly turks heritage and kids.
Possible sunni/shia shiite sectarianism terror attack but looking more likely your maniac average revenge killing spree.
gravenimage says
Good grief. Yes, all run-of-the-mill maniacs scream “Allahu Akbar!”.
Lest you protest, Muslims do scream “Allahu Akbar!” while slaughtering both Infidels and whichever Muslims they have deemed Takfiri”.
Hwilsongoon says
Graven.
Either grow up and stop these mean spirited little immature insults or go get drunk or something.
You offer me and everyone else nothing constructive. But mean spirited insults.
gravenimage says
Hwilsongoon wrote:
Graven.
Either grow up and stop these mean spirited little immature insults or go get drunk or something.
You offer me and everyone else nothing constructive. But mean spirited insults.
………………………..
Whitewashing Jihad and pretending that it is anything but is *hardly* constructive–nor is it mature, as you pretend.
You have not said why you think someone *not* motivated by Islam would scream “Allahu Akbar!” as he kills.
Hwilsongoon says
Graven,
You are obviously not on our side. Your belittling comments are a real pain in the arse.
Go read the rest of my comments.
I think this jihadist was motivated by Islam.
Grow up or go away. Add something constructive rather than your ad hoc flame wars.
I’m totally wasting my time responding to you, a troll.
Ex Muslim and many others on here love a good debate and are trying to get to bottom of this through real research and all you do is throw shit at people.
I’m questioning your motives right now.
Paid for this by far left?
Angemon says
Let’s see if I can follow the “logic” here: gravenimage, a staunch anti-jihadi who’s been in the site almost since its inception isn’t “on our side” while “Ex-muslim”, who stated, several times that he’ll celebrate when the West falls to islam (not “if”, “when” – he treats it as a fact) and claims Westerners are “faggots” and the West deserves to be conquered by islam, is.
Clearly there’s a troll here – not GI, though.
gravenimage says
Hwilsongoon wrote:
Graven,
You are obviously not on our side. Your belittling comments are a real pain in the arse.
………………………….
What “side” is that? I have always stood against Jihad, including this horrifying case.
More:
Go read the rest of my comments.
I think this jihadist was motivated by Islam.
Grow up or go away. Add something constructive rather than your ad hoc flame wars.
I’m totally wasting my time responding to you, a troll.
………………………….
I have been posting here for over ten years, now. The idea that I am a troll is easily disproven by the merest glance at my posting history here.
More:
Ex Muslim and many others on here love a good debate and are trying to get to bottom of this through real research and all you do is throw shit at people.
I’m questioning your motives right now.
Paid for this by far left?
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That you would cite the appalling “Ex-muslim” does *not* bode well. He has posted here many times that what he really wants to see is for his (former?) coreligonists top destroy the free West. He believes we deserve this because we do not throw “fags” from tall buildings as Muslims do.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/france-muslim-migrant-stabs-woman-and-her-three-daughters-for-being-scantily-dressed#comment-1483813
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that because you are a relatively new poster that you are not aware of this.
But if you *are*, then the idea that it is the “far left” that most opposes our being conquered by Islam is a *very* odd claim.
gravenimage says
Thank you, dear Angemon.
Custos Custodum says
HSG – please be more accepting of different views by those offering them in good faith, which is beyond doubt given GI’s lengthy track record. ”
Good grief” is an exclamation indicating exasperation, but it is not a personal insult.
NOTE: As you will see from comments on a related page, I agree with you on the substance: for once, it seems the shooter may not have been motivated by Islam. I base this on the fact that he is Iranian – unlike Arabs, Iranians typically do not commit suicide attacks – and the alleged shouting of “Allahu Akbar” is reported only by a single semi-anonymous witness contacted by CNN over the phone. Since there were numerous witnesses present, more reports on this “detail” would have leaked out if this had happened.
Alternatively, assuming (as now seems likely) that the shooter was motivated by hatred of Turks and Kosovar/Albanian Muslims who beat him up and bullied him at school then it might even make sense for him to shout “Allahu Akbar” in order to taint hated Muslims with his crime. The Facebook ruse was apparently designed specifically to attract Albanians and did so.
Re Iran – Dr. Mordechai Kedar has some interesting insights into what makes Iran tick, including religious aspects. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yuQgDr2cSY
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/munich-jihad-murderer-was-18-year-old-iranian-muslim
Mirren10 says
Hwilsongoon says:
”Graven,
You are obviously not on our side … I’m questioning your motives right now.
Paid for this by far left?”
*You* are obviously an idiot. Gravenimage has been commenting here for at least 10 years, is a staunch anti-jihadist, and a brilliant dissector of idiocy.
‘goon’ on the end of your moniker is well chosen.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Mirren.
ed says
They were on some of the ADHD drugs that can make you very violent .
gravenimage says
Gee…*Islam* can make you very violent, as well…
Hwilsongoon says
More insults against fellow anti jihadists.
Which side are you on again?
gravenimage says
If you are denying Jihad then you are not apt to be much of an Anti-Jihadist. Certainly, not everyone who comments at Jihad Watch is anti-Jihad.
gravenimage says
Moreover, pretending that Jihad Watch is denying that this is Jihad is *quite* false:
“Mainstream media covers up Munich killer’s jihad, tries to link him to Breivik”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/mainstream-media-covers-up-munich-killers-jihad-tries-to-link-him-to-breivik/comment-page-1#comment-1486458
Hwilsongoon says
You’re obviously delusional
“Moreover, pretending that Jihad Watch is denying that this is Jihad is *quite* false:”
I never said this, nor thought this.
Goodbye, Im done talking to a retard
Alice Blunt says
The Columbine killers were not the victims of bullying. That’s a common misperception perpetrated by the media to make them seem more sympathetic. Much like Donald Trump, they were two arrogant spoiled rich brats who felt nothing but contempt for their classmates. In this case, the media is trying to create a sympathetic angle to detract from this clearly jihadist act.
خَليفة says
Where did he get the gun?
Hwilsongoon says
Yes the gun! No one in the msm is talking about how easily he got the glock with 300 rounds of ammo.
If this was in the US all that everyone would be talking about was the firearm used and the 2nd amendment.
William says
Correct. Why aren’t the liberal media calling for gun control in Germany? Because there is already complete gun control there. Proof that gun control does not prevent gun crimes.
John Billings says
He shouted “Allahu akbar!” as he murdered innocent people. That’s enough for me.
Hwilsongoon says
I respect your thinking but maybe he said it to piss off his muslim victims??
– I would like to know his heritage. Was he Shiite, Shia or a Christian Iranian?
– Who bullied him, were they sunni Turks or kids from a turk, albanian kosovan heritage?
– He didn’t target a white neighborhood. Strange if he was a jihadi he would’ve attacked a less multicultural area and an area with a heavy Germanic population. He targeted the people who he grew up with and who bullied him, mainly killing olive skinned or darker skinned people.
My money is on this being a revenge killing against people of a turks heritage.
David A says
Like the children who were not turks, and the 85 perce,t of his victims, also not turks. Like he could control who came to McDonald’s.
Jack Diamond says
Me too.
“That’s not how a Jihadi acts” someone says. That’s exactly how a Jihadi acts when he tells you, this is Jihad. Hell, every Muslim is “oppressed” & “bullied” & “persecuted” by the kaffirs and their kufr, and by definition, has mental problems. Just because he strikes at the disbelievers nearest to him he is not waging Jihad? Read Qur’an 9:123 again.
Mong says
And me
Georg says
Watch the German establishment do the… ehem… “Ali shuffle” avoiding his Islamic warcry during the incident.
gravenimage says
John, Jack, Mong, and Georg, I agree with you all.
J Steffan says
We live in Munich. Why are none of the German press here reporting about the “Allah akbar” yell?
Where is this detail coming from? Has it been confirmed?
gravenimage says
Here’s the witness on CNN, J:
Jerry says
Islam and muslims have normalized mass murder. Anytime they get “offended” or emotionally “hurt” they murder a bunch of people. And for me this is what’s so wrong about islam, it creates a victim mentality because it teaches that all “others” are the enemy. If your god condones the murder and subjugation of people outside your own faith then chances are you’ll have a negative view of others too. So even if a muslim isn’t a full blown jihadist I believe islam plays a role in producing mass murderers who feel victimized because the world isn’t bending to their “superior” world view. Islam is not a doctrine of love and peace. It’s a doctrine of supremacy and superiority over others under threat of death. A doctrine such as this is bound to produce murderers like this because they’ve been taught to not respect the rights of others. There’s an old computer saying, “Garbage in, garbage out.” Islam contains a lot of murderous and hateful garbage. And the result has been rape, genocidal murder, violent enclaves, and aggressive migration of the conquering kind. Islam is like a one-sided debate, it talks but doesn’t listen, it teaches but never learns. Was this guy truly a jihadist? I don’t know, but I’m betting islam helped make him the killer he turned out to be.
Mong says
Yeah, it’s narcissistic in nature. If you treat a narc as an equal they’ll be offended because they believe they should be treated as a superior. Consequently, they’ll lash out and it’ll be the victims fault in the narc perspective. This is what we’re dealing with here. Islam should be dominant and where it’s not it must be because of oppression, therefore an attack is “defensive” and justified. It’s utter garbage and the west should stop pandering to this shit.
Jerry says
Yeah thanks, you actually made my point better than I did.
Jack Diamond says
Allah is perpetually offended too. Disbelief itself offends him. Obstacles in the way of Islam are “war.”
Is it a surprise Muslims act out the role of the greatest victims in the history of victimology?
Persecution is worse than a slaughter (worse than killing). Qur’an 2:191
Ibn Kathir says in his commentary:
“Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:
(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.” Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:
(And Al-Fitnah {corruption & discord} is worse than killing.) Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.”
So many to kill, so little time.
Jerry says
That’s right, it’s a doctrine of murderous superiority, and anyone that does not agree to that superiority is deemed “offensive” to allah. We have to limit our humor, movies, and other kinds of expression, and if we don’t we’re “victimizing” muslims. We can’t question the veracity or morality of islam, and if we do then we’re disrespecting their “superior” religion.
We can’t take pride in our culture above theirs, or we’re racists attacking muslims. We can’t be truthful or vocal about muslim rape, or we’re cultural bigots against islam. We are victimizing muslims in practically everything we do. No wonder they want to kill us and stay separate from us, they’re always angry at being offended.
Some are saying this guy was just a nut-job not a jihadist. But sometimes the smallest things can reveal a lot. He didn’t yell, “I hate bullies!” he screamed “Alluha akbar!” And in today’s world that’s as clear as a Nazi salute.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Jerry.
Dov Berrol says
Well said.
Mirren10 says
”He didn’t yell, “I hate bullies!” he screamed “Alluha akbar!” And in today’s world that’s as clear as a Nazi salute.”
Indeed.
But not if you’re an ignorant idiot **determined** to find another explanation, rather than what’s staring them in the face.
gravenimage says
Good post, Jerry.
Ex-muslim says
The MSM and the German government is now claiming that the shooter was not a jihadist but had mental issues and was obsessed with mass shootings etc. They think for a muslim, to be a jihadist he should be connected to ISIS or Alqaeda etc. They don’t understand that a muslim who is not connected to any of these groups can carry out a bloody jihadist attack because of the hatred he has for the ‘infidels’ and that deep devotion to islam, to mohamed and to the quran. Another misconception the West have is that a muslim who is drinking, visiting bars or using drugs cannot carry out a jihad attack which is absolutely FALSE! The fact is a muslim can carry out a jihad attack against infidels no matter if he is religious muslim or not and this means even a non-practicing muslims who goes nightclubs, drinks and do drugs can still be an Islamic suicide bomber or a suicide commando and won’t hesitate to kill as many infidels as he could and even his own family if he thinks this will further the cause of islam.
Hwilsongoon says
He killed mainly turks albanians and kosovans and darker skinned and olive skinned folk.
He was getting revenge for being bullied.
Not an act of terror.
This one shouod he filed under “failed immigration policies”.
The only link to terrorism I can think of is possible sectarianism. His iranian heritage as a shia or shiite. He may even have been from a christian background.
Yes, he shouted out allah akhbar. But could he not have said this to make fun of his muslim victims???
A jihadi would not be singling out fellow muslims. The area was heavily multicultural.
If this was a jihadist attack he failed miserably.
Ex-muslim says
Hwilsongoon says
“Yes, he shouted out allah akhbar. But could he not have said this to make fun of his muslim victims???”
Anyone who shouts (the Islamic war cry) which is “allahu Akbar” when he is killing people is a muslim jihadist.
Hwilsongoon says
I get that but a muslim jihadist would not go out of his way to kill muslims. There’s plenty of white german targets in Munich.
Secterian shia sunni maybe? But we dont know his religious family background. He could be from a christian iranian heritage for all we know.
Someone mentioned hamas?? I can’t find that link.
Plus shouting allah akhbar whilst killing muslims couldve been his way to further rub salt into the wounds of his victims.
Simply putting it out there that he shouted this is not proof.
He also had that bizarre convo with the german on the roof where he explained his motives. He was bullied and seekung revenge.
If this was in fact a religious attack then its sectarian in nature. Shia shiite against sunni.
We Need more proof and facts before notching this one up.
Ex-muslim says
@ Hwilsongoon
Muslims jihadists kill other muslims everyday. In Afghanistan today a muslim jihadists blew himself up killing over eighthy other muslims. Click below. Not Sunnis killing Shiites but Sunnis kill other Sunnis whom they deem to be lesser Islamic than they are!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36874570
Angemon says
Ex-muslim posted:
“In Afghanistan today a muslim jihadists blew himself up killing over eighthy other muslims. Click below. Not Sunnis killing Shiites but Sunnis kill other Sunnis whom they deem to be lesser Islamic than they are!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36874570
Not sunnis killing shiites, eh? Sunnis killing other sunnis, eh? Oh really? Did you even bother to read the link you posted?
Second paragraph:
Third paragraph:
gravenimage says
Hwilsongoon, the shooter murdered both Infidels and other-sect Muslims–in this case, he was a Shi’ite killing Sunnis.
If you do not believe that Muslims murder other-sect Muslims, then you must not have looked at what is going on in the world, and must understand little about Islamic history. Sunnis have been slaughtering Shia–and vice versa–for almost 1400 years now.
gravenimage says
And yes, butchering other-sect Muslims is considered Jihad.
Hwilsongoon says
Hey ex muslim
I agree but the link showed sunni isis jihadists bombing shiites.
Maybe you’re right the munich guy targetted fellow muslims as he felt superior to them.
Im going more with the sectarian angle. Iranian vs turks
Ex-muslim says
Hwilsongoon
You are right, it could be any of the above, I think the German government is hiding something about this one.
David A says
Muslim jihadsts kill each other all the time. He shot children, not bullies. He could not control who came to McDonald’s.
Echo says
What has happened to the reports of a lady eye witness that said she heard the shooter say ‘Allah Akbar’? It’s been more or less ignored. I heard her say it…… why has no media outlet followed up on this? It is clear proof. It’s like its being wiped/cleansed from the history of these murders.
Ex-muslim says
I am sure, the German government is hiding a lot of information from the public that this man was a muslim jihadist.
Hwilsongoon says
Then why did he target fellow muslims?? Munich has plenty of german targets and he chose a multicultural area that was home to albanians kosovans and turks???
Its looking more likely he was bullied by turks/albanians and was seeking revenge.
Listen. Im totally against the jihadists otherwise i wouldnt post here. But this attack???
Im not so sure.
Rich says
muslims have been killing each other for 1400 years.
Ex-muslim says
He probably thought that they were less Islamic than he is. He could have been a believer in the “Takfiri” doctrine.
Hwilsongoon says
Thanks ex muslim.
Youve posted valuable constructive comments.
Hwilsongoon says
Rich
I agree with that.
This could possibly be sectarianism.
But it could also be a maniacs shooting spree against the people of his area who he claimed were bullying him.
Ex-muslim says
Hwilsongoon
Possibly so. But the fact he is a muslim and screamed allahu Akbar makes me think it has to do with the global atmosphere of Islamic jihadism that world is experiencing now.
Georg says
gravenimage says
Actually, this *all* fits together. He was reported to have said he hated Turks, but also shouted “Allahu Akbar!”.
This makes sense–well, as much sense as this twisted sh*t ever does–if he was Shia targeting both Sunnis and Infidel Germans.
And those are exactly who the victims were.
Hwilsongoon says
Exactly what ive been saying my friend
gravenimage says
OK.
Sam Hawkins says
Nobody except the CNN journalist spoke to the witness who said she heard him scream aloha snackbar. Perhaps he did and the German authorities have been busily scrubbing this fact … or she was making stuff up, like the “witnesses” who claimed there was gunfire also in Stachus square.
I don’t know at this point.
Champ ✿ says
“aloha snackbar”
LOL!! I suddenly found myself picturing mohammedans shouting “aloha snackbar” and throwing candy bars and Hawaiian leis at people …oh thank you, that was fun fantasy!
Yeah I know, never happen …but it was fun to imagine if even for a moment.
Rich says
He screamed Allah aKMAR, WAS A MUSLIM BUT THE GOVT/POLICE ARE still searching for a motive – PLEASE!!
This is the same govt. that imported all these muslims, they will cover for jihad!!
Pamela Geller: There are No Lone Wolves in Jihad..
Millions of Muslims all around the world are following the same playbook — the Quran — and the same ideology — Islam..but the Media wont ever tell you that, it wouldnt fit in with their pro-jihad propanda offensive..
Hwilsongoon says
Why would he target muslims when he couldve easily chosen an all white german/tourist venue??
How many jihadists go out of their way to single out dark or olive skinned people who could share the same religion/ideology as him???
It’s illogical.
The only evidence to link this with jihadism is the allah akhbar. But he couldve shouted this out for fun/upset his victims/OR decided to shout it during a sudden brainwave.
Or he could in fact be a jihadist who attacked fellow muslims and a multicultural area to sow seeds of hatred or start a sectarian war????
I really want to know his family heritage. This will give us some clues. Was he shiite christian shia sunni? Did he have material on hamas? Where did the gun come from??
There’s far too much on this right now to claim he was a jihadi.
Would be good for another post from Robert.
Anyway good comments on here and lots of new ideas coming out to his motives.
gravenimage says
The “sectarian war” already exists–Sunnis and Shi’ites are slaughtering each other all over the world. How can you have missed that? They are just increasingly bringing this to the civilized West.
And yes–this is a form of Jihad, just as is murdering Infidels–which he also did, by the way.
Hwilsongoon says
Im sorry what??
I havent missed that.
Not sure why youd assume id never heard of this sectarian war before??
But this war has not yet come to the west as it may have done yesterday.
Please read my posts. I havent said either way if this was or wasnt a jihadi. Im still researching it.
This is looking more like a sectarian attack than simply a bully out for revenge.
gravenimage says
Hwilsongoon wrote:
Not sure why youd assume id never heard of this sectarian war before??
But this war has not yet come to the west as it may have done yesterday.
……………………..
Actually, there is increasing sectarian violence in the West now, especially in Europe. In just one example, a Sunni Jihadist fire-bombed Belgium’s largest Shia Mosque, killing the Imam in 2012.
“Belgium: Sunni-Shi’ite jihad suspected in mosque attack”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/03/belgium-sunni-shiite-jihad-suspected-in-mosque-attack
Violence against both Infidels and other-sect Muslims is on the rise:
http://www.infowars.com/as-illegal-immigrants-enter-europe-violence-increases/
I fear this is only apt to become worse.
Rich says
There are over 370 “mental disorders” listed in the latest version of the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.) The list includes “Tobacco Addiction Disorder” among other equally mundane and ridiculous so-called “mental illnesses.”
If the DSM is the standard by which politicians wishes to remove our rights to own guns, then I’d guess 90% of the American people could probably be classified with a mental disorder of one kind or another.
BEWARE, BEWARE
linnte says
Any mental disorder would disqualify someone to owning a gun if Hillary is elected!
خَليفة says
I bet if someone appended such a bill to disqualify holding public office for those same disorders that it would never get to a vote.
Of course PMS ( pious Muslim syndrome ) is not on the list.
gravenimage says
Munich jihadi may have lured children to their deaths with fake Facebook ad
…………………………
Yes–I’d already heard this. Especially despicable, and showing clear planned intent. He didn’t just decide to head to the mall with a gun on whim.
Dov Berrol says
There are plenty of non-Muslim teens who have been bullied, who suffer from depression and anxiety, who are angry at the world and their parents for one reason or another – but they don’t resort to murdering complete strangers in a public place to resolve their psychiatric problems.
It is the culture of death, deception, murder, submission and domination and terror that the Muslims of Arabia have created that is the problem. And this inhumane culture actually creates mental illness, cultivates mental illness and honors the sociopathic narcisstic mental illness of a man named Mohammed that causes the death of many, many innocent people around the world. Case in point: the pilot of that Malaysian airliner that disappeared was practicing suicide runs on his flight sumulator – this is the latest theiry about why this plane load of people were killed over the Pacific Ocean two years ago. Kafir Lives Matter – except to Muslims, I guess.
Dov Berrol says
*latest theory
gravenimage says
True, Dov.
Hwilsongoon says
Latest article I read he was being bullied by “turkish and arab” kids.
This is looking more likea sectarian attack.
Why were they bullying him?
Obviously because he was Iranian.
gravenimage says
Not because he was “Iranian”–because he is Shia. Sunnis and Shia both regard each other as de facto Infidels, and thus–along with actual Infidels–fair game to oppress and kill.
Hwilsongoon says
Yes i know this. Ive explained the shia sunni shiite stuff numerous times on thos post. I was feeling lazy and couldnt be arsed to write out all the religious factions again. Lol
Ex-muslim says
Iran has some fanatical sunnis too!
gravenimage says
OK.
Champ says
“…with police probing claims he lured some of his young victims to their deaths with a promise of free McDonald’s food.”
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He lured children to McD’s? Wow, the story just keeps getting darker and more nauseating by the minute. I see this as another hallmark of a jihadist: heartless, soulless tactics by a mohammedan to achieve murder & mayhem.
gravenimage says
I know–evil that most decent Infidels cannot even conceive of.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
I’m glad everybody in here agrees that this particular mass murder by a Moslem was sectarian or ethnic, cuz otherwise we’d have to conclude that it a Jihad mass murder operation, even that it was linked to the Holy Ko-Ran. That’s the last thing we need during an election year.
somehistory says
And they are all *acting alone*….even when they have five, six or even more co-actors who get away and are found out days later. And they are not having any thing to do with islam, even when isis comes out the same day or the day after, claiming responsibility and celebrating.
They don’t let the truth stand in the way of the lies getting out there to be repeated.
gravenimage says
Good post, APF.
Joe says
Don’t be fooled into what the German press, police or government is faking. I’m a born German now living in the US and the Germany of today is not the same like 10 years ago.
I’m pretty sure they just try to cover that up. There are so many signs:
1. In Germany NOBODY ever just gets a gun like a Glock in a public store, because they don’t sell them. You need special training and a reason for getting a gun, like a stalker who tried to shot you. Without that you will NEVER get a gun legally in Germany! So where did that guy get the gun? Why is nobody talking about that issue?
2. Yesterday there were supposed at least three gunman. All on the run. The video showing one gunman who is obviously older than 18!
3. Witness who heard him shout Allah akhbar.
4. Iranian roots with a German passport (which you can get easily).
However, this will not be the last terror attack by a Muslim in Europe. There are so many there now that it will become the same like in all the years in the past was in the Middle East. Europe is gone. What’s left is Eurabia! The politicians and churches are guilty of treason and betrayal of their own citizen!
Jaladhi says
>”The politicians and churches are guilty of treason and betrayal of their own citizen!”<
These scumbags are same in all Western countries!! They are like lemmings, not a single one shows independent mind and a backbone to stand up to the the multi-culti globalism.
Jack Diamond says
He didn’t get the gun legally. The serial numbers were removed. Story after story is neglecting to mention that he shouted “allahu-akbar” as they insist Islam had nothing to do with it.
Jack Diamond says
We know what he did and what he said. Jihad. The rest about him is still wild speculation or even wrong information.
To further muddy the waters, for what it’s worth, Shoebat is saying the shooter’s clan actually comes from Homs Syria, of Turkish origin, are anti-Assad pro-Erdogan, that he lived in the Turkish neighborhood of Munich, and the backdrop of his Facebook page was a Turkish flag (photo caption 2015). Why if he’s Iranian Shi’a does he pose himself with a Turkish flag?
gravenimage says
Interesting, Jack.
Jaladhi says
Muslims learn to be evil from an early – it is because of what is taught to them from Quran. A Muslim doesn’t have to be full fledged jihadi to kill non-Muslims. It is his duty to do so. Even if this scum bagwas not a jihadi, he was Muslim and killed infidels per his Mo/allah’s instructions. I don’t see any debate here whether he was a jihadi or not – he was a Muslim. Case closed!
Champ says
Bystanders call him a ‘w*****’ and an ‘a*******’ – one of the most offensive phrases in the German language. They accuse him of being ‘mad’ and a ‘Turk’ before using a derogatory term for ‘foreigner’ towards him.
This sparked the gunman to reply: ‘I am a German.’ The bystander, who became known as ‘balcony man’ online, insisted: ‘You’re a w*****.’…
The gunman claimed to have been born in Munich and brought up in a tough working class area on benefits. He ends the discussion by firing a shot towards those taunting him, sending them diving for cover.
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I find this part of the news article from “Mailonline” rather disturbing …
It’s reported that some were “taunting” the shooter? So they’re suggesting that some were PROVOKING the shooter!
This perp was going on a killing spree shouting “allah akbar” and even if others remained completely silent this guy was going to kill anyway. To suggest that he was “taunted” and provoked by others is preposterous and completely **unfair** to the victims.
Hwilsongoon says
Im suprised the guys on the roof hurling racial insults havent been charged with racial hate laws yet.
Theres still time for that.
And yes, graven. I do know that germany has very extreme race hate laws.
(had to put that on incase it accuses me of not knowing history or some malarky)
Sergio says
Although I dislike Islam I must say that in this case I cannot blame Islam for the massacre. It seems that the kid was simply deranged.
somehistory says
A psychopath, blaming others for his desire to kill, when he knows it is his desire, and those who don’t want to accept the truth of what islam is, go along with his blaming of others.
Being a victim of bullies, does not of necessity make a killer. Many thousands of children…and adults…are bullied during their lifetime. Most of the victims of bullies do not go on killing sprees. If they did, there would be a whole lot more killing sprees than there are, and the killers wouldn’t be yelling that their god is “greater” than all other people’s God, or gods.
There are thousands upon thousands of mentally ill persons. Some of them are homeless and live in shelters or on the streets. Many have family or friends that help them. There are numerous levels of depression which is just one kind of mental problem. These thousands upon thousands are not going on killing sprees, nor do they yell that their god is the greatest.
The blame for these actions are put on guns, the mentally ill, the bullied, and every other *innocent* because the authorities don’t wish to offend the wild beast of satan and its devoted adherents by naming the one that is to blame, islam.
It is an insult to those who really are depressed, mentally ill, bullied, or just own a gun, or drive a truck, or have knives in their possession for use in whatever mundane activity they may require a knife, but especially to the mentally ill or depressed persons.
The blame goes to the beast, its adherents and its enablers. This will keep happening until the beast is no more.
UNCLE VLADDI says
WHERE WERE THEIR PARENTS?!
MY GOD, “FREE McDONALD’S” IS A RED FLAG – EVEN WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF AN IRANIAN JIHADI HIDING IN THE CAN WAITING TO AMBUSH THEM, McDONALD’S “FOOD” COULD BE LETHAL!
Mirren10 says
What’s with all the waffling and speculation about whether it was sectarian, or ethnic, or because he was ‘bullied’, or ‘mentally ill’ ?
He was a mohammedan. mohammedans don’t care *who* they murder for ‘allah’. It’s how many **deaths** and how much **blood** that counts.
Custos Custodum says
For once, and despite years of media lies and cover-up in favor of Islam, there is a real chance that the murderer was NOT motivated by Islam, at least not in the sense of wanting to ADVANCE Islam.
News reports now seem quite clear that he was seriously bullied and beaten up BY MUSLIMS at school, even requiring inpatient mental treatment in 2015. He apparently set up a fake Facebook account using the name of a (real or fictional) Albanian or Turkish girl, specifically to lure Turkish and Albanian youngsters to a McDonald’s where he murdered them. Most of those murdered were Muslims from Southern Europe and Turkey, even though most of the public present would have been non-Muslim.
Islam could nonetheless have played a role in the genesis of this attack to the extent that the perpetrator may have been raised in a cultural environment that encourages young men to resort to violent “revenge” for real or imagined slights.
Is it really wrong to allow oneself a little gloating over the conundrum faced by the media who would LOVE to play up what do appear to be non-Muslim or even anti-Muslim angles of this incident, but realize that to do so would create even more alarm about Islam (known as “Islamophobia” in Leftspeak) precisely because it shows up a long history of media lies and cover-ups?
Mirren10 says
Custos Custodum says:
”For once, and despite years of media lies and cover-up in favor of Islam, there is a real chance that the murderer was NOT motivated by Islam, at least not in the sense of wanting to ADVANCE Islam.”
Sometimes the jihadist isn’t particularly interested in advancing islam, but in saving himself/herself from Hell. Murdering infidels is a sure way of getting ‘allah’ to let you into ‘paradise’.
Besides, in the minds of jihadists, causing murder, mayhem, and terror, **does** advance islam.
Custos Custodum says
What you say is quite correct as far as it goes, and seriously underappreciated in public discourse – it seems, e.g. the Nice jihadist may have been trying to “save himself from hell” for his bisexual lifestyle.
However, while any sane person instinctively wants to compensate for media obfuscation and cover-up on certain key issues, we should be careful and methodical before answering the the threshold question: was the individual in fact a Muslim by upbringing or through conversion?
If the answer is that the perpetrator was a Muslim, then various concomitants become much more likely as stated by Mirren10, e.g. a total callousness about Muslim victims, indulgence in “sins” normally prohibited by Islam (in anticipation of imminent whitewashing through jihad), bizarre and deceptive sense of inner peace, etc.
Of course, one also needs to be clear about what type of Islam the perpetrator is infected with. Sunni? Shia? Alewite? Ahmadi? Proclivity to crime as well as, e.g. higher educational attainment etc. differs markedly among these groups as well as, of course, by individual.
Mirren10 says
”Of course, one also needs to be clear about what type of Islam the perpetrator is infected with. Sunni? Shia? Alewite? Ahmadi?”
Why ? They all read the same book, and all revere the same vicious murdering ‘prophet’.
Distinctions without a difference.
Jack Diamond says
If he said “Allahu-akbar” and the witness is reliable we know the most important thing.
There is a lot about him that doesn’t square with the current narrative the Germans are spinning.
This is a screenshot from his Facebook from 2015. That is a Turkish flag.
http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/as8-copy.jpg
linnte says
Exactly Mirren! Matters is this ideology period! He is a Muslim!
Guest says
This is another reason why I don’t use Facebook